{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":73.63,"endTime":75.47,"body":"3 million pages of evidence."},{"startTime":76.27,"endTime":81.55,"body":"Thousands of unsealed flight logs, Millions of data points, names,"},{"startTime":81.71,"endTime":84.03,"body":"themes and timelines connected."},{"startTime":84.83,"endTime":88.91,"body":"You are listening to the Epstein Files, the world's first"},{"startTime":89.07,"endTime":94.14999999999999,"body":"AI native investigation into the case that traditional journalism simply"},{"startTime":94.14999999999999,"endTime":95.22999999999999,"body":"could not handle."},{"startTime":99.71,"endTime":101.38999999999999,"body":"Welcome back to the Epstein Files."},{"startTime":102.10999999999999,"endTime":104.50999999999999,"body":"You know, the central mystery here, it isn't just about"},{"startTime":104.50999999999999,"endTime":105.14999999999999,"body":"one man."},{"startTime":105.22999999999999,"endTime":107.63,"body":"It's really about why he 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a"},{"startTime":1259.82,"endTime":1263.26,"body":"VIP pass, or violence with a veneer of civility and"},{"startTime":1263.26,"endTime":1263.8999999999999,"body":"champagne."},{"startTime":1264.54,"endTime":1267.2199999999998,"body":"And that veneer protects it from the same scrutiny we"},{"startTime":1267.2199999999998,"endTime":1268.86,"body":"would apply to a crime on the street."},{"startTime":1269.6599999999999,"endTime":1271.26,"body":"The system protects the system."},{"startTime":1271.58,"endTime":1274.3799999999999,"body":"So if the system is designed to protect its own,"},{"startTime":1274.86,"endTime":1277.4199999999998,"body":"and if the very definitions of the words we use"},{"startTime":1277.4199999999998,"endTime":1280.6599999999999,"body":"are flexible, well, we have to talk about how the"},{"startTime":1280.6599999999999,"endTime":1281.34,"body":"story ends."},{"startTime":1281.8899999999999,"endTime":1284.1299999999999,"body":"Because if the ultimate goal is protection of the network,"},{"startTime":1284.37,"endTime":1286.2099999999998,"body":"the ending has to be conclusive."},{"startTime":1286.37,"endTime":1288.85,"body":"We have to talk about how Jeffrey Epstein died."},{"startTime":1288.85,"endTime":1289.4099999999999,"body":"We do."},{"startTime":1289.49,"endTime":1290.85,"body":"And again, this is a place where you have to"},{"startTime":1290.85,"endTime":1293.57,"body":"put aside the conspiracy theory label and just look at"},{"startTime":1293.57,"endTime":1296.1299999999999,"body":"the actual forensic questions that have been raised by credible"},{"startTime":1296.1299999999999,"endTime":1296.53,"body":"sources."},{"startTime":1296.77,"endTime":1300.01,"body":"We have a source here from Liberty Roundtable, and it's"},{"startTime":1300.01,"endTime":1300.6899999999998,"body":"pretty explicit."},{"startTime":1300.6899999999998,"endTime":1303.81,"body":"It brings up forensic evidence that directly contradicts the official"},{"startTime":1303.81,"endTime":1304.85,"body":"suicide ruling."},{"startTime":1305.4099999999999,"endTime":1308.8899999999999,"body":"Specifically, it details the claim made by the forensic pathologist,"},{"startTime":1308.8899999999999,"endTime":1309.2099999999998,"body":"Dr."},{"startTime":1309.2099999999998,"endTime":1310.12,"body":"Michael Baden."},{"startTime":1310.9099999999999,"endTime":1311.31,"body":"Now, Dr."},{"startTime":1311.31,"endTime":1313.4699999999998,"body":"Baden isn't some random person on the Internet."},{"startTime":1313.4699999999998,"endTime":1315.1499999999999,"body":"He's a renowned pathologist."},{"startTime":1315.31,"endTime":1318.55,"body":"He was hired by Epstein's brother to observe the autopsy,"},{"startTime":1318.55,"endTime":1321.9499999999998,"body":"and he observed, quote, burst capillaries in his eyes."},{"startTime":1322.35,"endTime":1324.7099999999998,"body":"And for those of us who aren't pathologists, can 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height."},{"startTime":1347.6799999999998,"endTime":1348.9199999999998,"body":"Like a prison bunk bed."},{"startTime":1348.9199999999998,"endTime":1349.32,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":1349.48,"endTime":1349.8799999999999,"body":"Dr."},{"startTime":1349.8799999999999,"endTime":1352.6399999999999,"body":"Baden is using the physical evidence, the biology of the"},{"startTime":1352.6399999999999,"endTime":1355.1599999999999,"body":"body itself, to point toward homicide."},{"startTime":1355.3999999999999,"endTime":1358.28,"body":"He's essentially saying the body tells a very different story"},{"startTime":1358.28,"endTime":1359.32,"body":"than the official report."},{"startTime":1359.8,"endTime":1362.48,"body":"So you have physical evidence from a respected expert that"},{"startTime":1362.48,"endTime":1363.48,"body":"suggests foul play."},{"startTime":1363.56,"endTime":1365.3999999999999,"body":"But then on top of that, you also have 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death, that"},{"startTime":1390.5,"endTime":1392.1399999999999,"body":"footage was erased."},{"startTime":1392.4099999999999,"endTime":1393.1299999999999,"body":"Erased."},{"startTime":1393.29,"endTime":1395.53,"body":"Just like the DOJ files we were talking about earlier."},{"startTime":1395.6899999999998,"endTime":1397.2099999999998,"body":"It fits the pattern, doesn't it?"},{"startTime":1397.37,"endTime":1400.77,"body":"Evidence appearing and then disappearing files Being deleted, video being"},{"startTime":1400.77,"endTime":1401.1699999999998,"body":"erased."},{"startTime":1401.1699999999998,"endTime":1402.4499999999998,"body":"This isn't just incompetence."},{"startTime":1402.4499999999998,"endTime":1403.77,"body":"Incompetence is random."},{"startTime":1403.85,"endTime":1406.37,"body":"If it was just incompetence, maybe the camera would be"},{"startTime":1406.37,"endTime":1408.369,"body":"blurry or it would be pointing the wrong 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more consistent with strangulation."},{"startTime":1433.4199999999998,"endTime":1435.3799999999999,"body":"It's a mountain of irregularities."},{"startTime":1435.4599999999998,"endTime":1438.5,"body":"It connects right back to that pinpoint source and lens"},{"startTime":1438.5,"endTime":1439.06,"body":"metaphor."},{"startTime":1439.2199999999998,"endTime":1442.3799999999999,"body":"If the DOJ is deleting files that are potentially embarrassing"},{"startTime":1442.3799999999999,"endTime":1444.83,"body":"to the powerful, and the Bureau of Prisons is erasing"},{"startTime":1444.83,"endTime":1447.7099999999998,"body":"video, is that erasure part of the same mechanism?"},{"startTime":1447.9499999999998,"endTime":1450.75,"body":"Is it that lens of power operating to obscure the"},{"startTime":1450.75,"endTime":1451.1499999999999,"body":"truth?"},{"startTime":1451.23,"endTime":1454.03,"body":"Is the system removing the virus to save the host"},{"startTime":1454.35,"endTime":1455.7099999999998,"body":"and the tragedy of it?"},{"startTime":1455.9499999999998,"endTime":1459.309,"body":"The real human cost of all of this is highlighted"},{"startTime":1459.309,"endTime":1460.27,"body":"in our source."},{"startTime":1460.27,"endTime":1461.87,"body":"What vanished with Epstein."},{"startTime":1462.11,"endTime":1464.55,"body":"Because while we sit here and debate the forensics and"},{"startTime":1464.55,"endTime":1467.7099999999998,"body":"the patterns, the victims are left standing in the cold."},{"startTime":1467.7099999999998,"endTime":1470.1899999999998,"body":"Yes, the source gives us that brutal reminder."},{"startTime":1470.9699999999998,"endTime":1472.6499999999999,"body":"Victims won't have their day in court."},{"startTime":1472.9699999999998,"endTime":1474.73,"body":"That's the part that just hits so hard."},{"startTime":1474.9699999999998,"endTime":1479.29,"body":"Because regardless of how he died, suicide, 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the network."},{"startTime":1500.6499999999999,"endTime":1502.1299999999999,"body":"Dead men tell no tales."},{"startTime":1502.1299999999999,"endTime":1504.77,"body":"And they certainly don't cut plea deals to expose their"},{"startTime":1504.77,"endTime":1505.49,"body":"powerful friends."},{"startTime":1505.49,"endTime":1507.05,"body":"It preserved the status quo."},{"startTime":1507.05,"endTime":1509.05,"body":"The club remained closed for business."},{"startTime":1509.6899999999998,"endTime":1512.6499999999999,"body":"So we have a system that seems rigged to protect"},{"startTime":1512.6499999999999,"endTime":1513.1299999999999,"body":"these people."},{"startTime":1513.1299999999999,"endTime":1515.85,"body":"We have evidence that just vanishes into thin air."},{"startTime":1516.09,"endTime":1518.53,"body":"We have definitions of violence that don't seem to apply"},{"startTime":1518.53,"endTime":1519.05,"body":"to the rich."},{"startTime":1519.05,"endTime":1521.05,"body":"But I want 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on"},{"startTime":1542.59,"endTime":1544.07,"body":"board and what's likely happening?"},{"startTime":1544.07,"endTime":1547.31,"body":"Why does the assistant book the massage we have some"},{"startTime":1547.31,"endTime":1549.1899999999998,"body":"fascinating psychological research here."},{"startTime":1549.57,"endTime":1552.37,"body":"One source is called Identity and moral wiggle Room."},{"startTime":1552.53,"endTime":1554.85,"body":"This is a crucial concept, moral wiggle room."},{"startTime":1555.33,"endTime":1557.4099999999999,"body":"It explains so much about human behavior."},{"startTime":1557.6499999999999,"endTime":1559.25,"body":"Not just in this case, but in general."},{"startTime":1559.4099999999999,"endTime":1560.4499999999998,"body":"I love that phrase."},{"startTime":1560.4499999999998,"endTime":1562.29,"body":"It sounds like a dance move or something, but I"},{"startTime":1562.29,"endTime":1562.9699999999998,"body":"know it's 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else will probably help them, or my personal favorite,"},{"startTime":1583.1299999999999,"endTime":1584.77,"body":"they'll just spend it on drugs or alcohol."},{"startTime":1585.25,"endTime":1589.49,"body":"You create a narrative that excuses you from the moral"},{"startTime":1589.49,"endTime":1590.53,"body":"obligation to help."},{"startTime":1591.09,"endTime":1594.1699999999998,"body":"That space you create between what you should do and"},{"startTime":1594.1699999999998,"endTime":1596.77,"body":"what you do, that is the wiggle room."},{"startTime":1596.85,"endTime":1598.33,"body":"So if I can find a way to do the"},{"startTime":1598.33,"endTime":1600.8899999999999,"body":"selfish thing in this case, keep my money, but make"},{"startTime":1600.8899999999999,"endTime":1602.8899999999999,"body":"it look like I didn't have a choice or make"},{"startTime":1602.8899999999999,"endTime":1606.4499999999998,"body":"the situation ambiguous, I'll almost always take the selfish 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what"},{"startTime":1631.05,"endTime":1634.6,"body":"they saw as not my business or well, maybe she's"},{"startTime":1634.6,"endTime":1635.76,"body":"18, she just looks young."},{"startTime":1635.76,"endTime":1637.32,"body":"Or I'm just the pilot."},{"startTime":1637.32,"endTime":1638.6799999999998,"body":"I'm just here to fly the plane."},{"startTime":1638.6799999999998,"endTime":1639.9599999999998,"body":"I don't ask questions."},{"startTime":1640.6799999999998,"endTime":1642.4399999999998,"body":"That is moral wiggle room."},{"startTime":1642.52,"endTime":1644.9199999999998,"body":"It allows them to prioritize their self interest."},{"startTime":1645.08,"endTime":1648.76,"body":"It allows them to prioritize their paycheck, their access to"},{"startTime":1648.76,"endTime":1651.32,"body":"this incredible world, their proximity to power."},{"startTime":1652.28,"endTime":1656.24,"body":"Prioritize all of that over the moral imperative to 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harshly."},{"startTime":1698.6599999999999,"endTime":1701.3799999999999,"body":"If a stranger commits a crime, we want justice."},{"startTime":1701.62,"endTime":1703.1399999999999,"body":"We want the book thrown at them."},{"startTime":1703.4589999999998,"endTime":1706.4199999999998,"body":"But we are far more lenient toward our close others,"},{"startTime":1706.82,"endTime":1710.3,"body":"our friends, our family, our colleagues, even when they commit"},{"startTime":1710.3,"endTime":1711.3,"body":"intentional harm."},{"startTime":1712.34,"endTime":1716.32,"body":"So to the elite social circles of New York and"},{"startTime":1716.32,"endTime":1720.1999999999998,"body":"London and Palm Beach, Jeffrey Epstein wasn't a stranger."},{"startTime":1720.28,"endTime":1721.32,"body":"He wasn't the other."},{"startTime":1721.32,"endTime":1722.6,"body":"He was a close other."},{"startTime":1722.6799999999998,"endTime":1724.56,"body":"He was in the club, he was at the 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own reflection in the mirror."},{"startTime":1770.08,"endTime":1772.48,"body":"And that protection continues even after death."},{"startTime":1773.05,"endTime":1775.8899999999999,"body":"Which leads us to the really strange cultural afterlife of"},{"startTime":1775.8899999999999,"endTime":1776.4099999999999,"body":"this case."},{"startTime":1776.81,"endTime":1780.4099999999999,"body":"Because when the system fails so spectacularly to provide justice,"},{"startTime":1780.57,"endTime":1781.77,"body":"the culture starts to."},{"startTime":1782.09,"endTime":1783.29,"body":"Well, it starts to glitch."},{"startTime":1783.37,"endTime":1785.77,"body":"We have to talk about the ghouls n ghosts, because"},{"startTime":1785.77,"endTime":1787.29,"body":"this story has gotten weird."},{"startTime":1787.37,"endTime":1789.53,"body":"It's moved from the courtroom to the campfire."},{"startTime":1789.53,"endTime":1792.1699999999998,"body":"It has absolutely bled into modern 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right"},{"startTime":1999.09,"endTime":1999.4099999999999,"body":"now."},{"startTime":1999.81,"endTime":2001.9699999999998,"body":"It helps keep this investigation visible."},{"startTime":2002.4499999999998,"endTime":2003.9699999999998,"body":"We'll see you in the next file."}]}