{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":73.63,"endTime":75.47,"body":"3 million pages of evidence."},{"startTime":76.27,"endTime":78.66999999999999,"body":"Thousands of unsealed flight logs."},{"startTime":79.14999999999999,"endTime":84.03,"body":"Millions of data points, names, themes, and timelines connected."},{"startTime":84.83,"endTime":88.91,"body":"You are listening to the Epstein Files, the world's first"},{"startTime":89.07,"endTime":94.14999999999999,"body":"AI native investigation into the case that traditional journalism simply"},{"startTime":94.14999999999999,"endTime":95.22999999999999,"body":"could not handle."},{"startTime":99.78999999999999,"endTime":101.55,"body":"Welcome back to the Epstein Files."},{"startTime":101.55,"endTime":105.31,"body":"It's almost like the digital equivalent of a burn bag."},{"startTime":105.71,"endTime":107.59,"body":"You have this huge collection of evidence."},{"startTime":107.59,"endTime":111.91,"body":"We're talking names, logs, all 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itself felt like it was splitting apart."},{"startTime":1362.73,"endTime":1366.85,"body":"We have Alastair Cook's commentary from that time on O.J."},{"startTime":1366.85,"endTime":1367.81,"body":"simpson and race."},{"startTime":1368.1499999999999,"endTime":1369.51,"body":"Oh, the aftermath of the O.J."},{"startTime":1369.51,"endTime":1369.9099999999999,"body":"trial."},{"startTime":1369.9099999999999,"endTime":1370.35,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":1370.35,"endTime":1372.31,"body":"America was just split right down the middle."},{"startTime":1372.31,"endTime":1375.27,"body":"The verdict had come in late 95, and in 96,"},{"startTime":1375.27,"endTime":1376.9499999999998,"body":"the civil trials were gearing up."},{"startTime":1376.9499999999998,"endTime":1378.9499999999998,"body":"The racial tensions it exposed were immense."},{"startTime":1378.9499999999998,"endTime":1381.75,"body":"The media was completely obsessed with every single detail of"},{"startTime":1381.75,"endTime":1381.9499999999998,"body":"it."},{"startTime":1381.9499999999998,"endTime":1383.7099999999998,"body":"It just sucked all the oxygen out of the room."},{"startTime":1383.7099999999998,"endTime":1384.4299999999998,"body":"It really did."},{"startTime":1384.4299999999998,"endTime":1387.55,"body":"I mean, between Whitewater and OJ Was there even airtime"},{"startTime":1387.55,"endTime":1388.4699999999998,"body":"for anything else?"},{"startTime":1388.79,"endTime":1389.9099999999999,"body":"Very, very little."},{"startTime":1390.07,"endTime":1391.75,"body":"And now think about the connections here."},{"startTime":1391.99,"endTime":1395.51,"body":"Epstein was building his network during this exact period."},{"startTime":1396.02,"endTime":1399.6999999999998,"body":"He was forging and strengthening his ties with the very"},{"startTime":1399.6999999999998,"endTime":1402.74,"body":"people who were at the epicenters of these political 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Dole Clinton election, he got in, he walked"},{"startTime":1449.1,"endTime":1450.26,"body":"right through the front door."},{"startTime":1450.6899999999998,"endTime":1453.53,"body":"He leveraged the connections to Clinton, who was desperate for"},{"startTime":1453.53,"endTime":1455.57,"body":"donors and allies during all the scandals."},{"startTime":1456.05,"endTime":1458.9299999999998,"body":"He leveraged his connections to Trump, who was the king"},{"startTime":1458.9299999999998,"endTime":1460.9299999999998,"body":"of the New York social and real estate scene at"},{"startTime":1460.9299999999998,"endTime":1461.33,"body":"the time."},{"startTime":1461.81,"endTime":1464.01,"body":"He was playing all sides while the country was busy"},{"startTime":1464.01,"endTime":1465.01,"body":"arguing with itself."},{"startTime":1465.33,"endTime":1467.25,"body":"We even have a source from a true crime show"},{"startTime":1467.25,"endTime":1470.85,"body":"about a missing girl, Selena Mays, who 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era."},{"startTime":1516.28,"endTime":1520.3999999999999,"body":"Connections that were forged and solidified while the rest of"},{"startTime":1520.3999999999999,"endTime":1521.879,"body":"us were completely distracted."},{"startTime":1522.04,"endTime":1525.4399999999998,"body":"And now, decades later, we're left trying to piece it"},{"startTime":1525.4399999999998,"endTime":1529.8,"body":"all together with deleted databases and heavily redacted core documents."},{"startTime":1529.8,"endTime":1533.1599999999999,"body":"We're basically digging through the archaeology of corruption, trying to"},{"startTime":1533.1599999999999,"endTime":1535.52,"body":"find the artifacts that tell us what really happened, not"},{"startTime":1535.52,"endTime":1536.52,"body":"just the official story."},{"startTime":1537.03,"endTime":1539.59,"body":"Let's just loop back to that DOJ database for a"},{"startTime":1539.59,"endTime":1541.99,"body":"second before we wrap the pinpoint archive."},{"startTime":1542.31,"endTime":1545.87,"body":"You said earlier that datasets 9, 10, and 11 are"},{"startTime":1545.87,"endTime":1546.6299999999999,"body":"still pending."},{"startTime":1546.6299999999999,"endTime":1547.4299999999998,"body":"Still missing."},{"startTime":1547.51,"endTime":1549.87,"body":"Yes, the missing pieces of the puzzle."},{"startTime":1549.87,"endTime":1552.07,"body":"In your experience with these kinds of cases, what usually"},{"startTime":1552.07,"endTime":1553.35,"body":"hides in the missing data?"},{"startTime":1553.51,"endTime":1555.11,"body":"The most damaging connections."},{"startTime":1555.11,"endTime":1557.99,"body":"The stuff that is too explosive to even risk releasing."},{"startTime":1558.31,"endTime":1560.27,"body":"I mean, IF data sets 1 through 8 are the"},{"startTime":1560.27,"endTime":1563.07,"body":"appetizer and even that contain links to a president that"},{"startTime":1563.07,"endTime":1566.31,"body":"they felt they had to delete, one has to seriously"},{"startTime":1566.31,"endTime":1569.35,"body":"wonder what's hiding in 9, 10 and 11 that hasn't"},{"startTime":1569.35,"endTime":1570.11,"body":"seen the light of day."},{"startTime":1570.1899999999998,"endTime":1572.31,"body":"It's the empty spaces on the shelf that often tell"},{"startTime":1572.31,"endTime":1572.99,"body":"the real story."},{"startTime":1573.23,"endTime":1577.6299999999999,"body":"Always in these kinds of investigations, silence and omission can"},{"startTime":1577.6299999999999,"endTime":1579.4699999999998,"body":"speak much louder than the noise."},{"startTime":1579.549,"endTime":1581.1499999999999,"body":"We've covered so much ground."},{"startTime":1581.3899999999999,"endTime":1584.55,"body":"We started today with that pinpoint database, the digital evidence"},{"startTime":1584.55,"endTime":1587.27,"body":"that the Justice Department itself released and then tried to"},{"startTime":1587.27,"endTime":1590.27,"body":"delete, including those troubling links to Donald Trump."},{"startTime":1590.78,"endTime":1593.2199999999998,"body":"Then we move to the Maxwell documents that exposed the"},{"startTime":1593.2199999999998,"endTime":1596.6999999999998,"body":"connections to Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton and the justified"},{"startTime":1596.6999999999998,"endTime":1598.4599999999998,"body":"funding from institutions like mit."},{"startTime":1598.62,"endTime":1601.62,"body":"And we saw how the chaotic, completely distracted world of"},{"startTime":1601.62,"endTime":1604.9399999999998,"body":"1996 created the perfect storm for this entire operation to"},{"startTime":1604.9399999999998,"endTime":1605.8999999999999,"body":"take root and grow."},{"startTime":1606.54,"endTime":1610.26,"body":"It's an incredible story of power, distraction, and the very"},{"startTime":1610.26,"endTime":1612.06,"body":"long, very hard fight for the truth."},{"startTime":1612.06,"endTime":1614.62,"body":"Next time, we look at the specific legal battles, the"},{"startTime":1614.62,"endTime":1617.48,"body":"lawyers, the settlements and the breaking point."},{"startTime":1617.48,"endTime":1619.7199999999998,"body":"That's next time on the Epstein Files."},{"startTime":1624.9199999999998,"endTime":1628.04,"body":"You have just heard an analysis of the official record."},{"startTime":1628.9199999999998,"endTime":1632.76,"body":"Every claim, name and date mentioned in this episode is"},{"startTime":1632.76,"endTime":1634.9199999999998,"body":"backed by primary source documents."},{"startTime":1635.3999999999999,"endTime":1639.48,"body":"You can view the original files for yourself at epsteinfiles"},{"startTime":1639.8,"endTime":1640.36,"body":"fm."},{"startTime":1641.24,"endTime":1644.26,"body":"If you value the this data first approach to journalism,"},{"startTime":1644.6599999999999,"endTime":1647.78,"body":"please leave a five star review wherever you're listening right"},{"startTime":1647.78,"endTime":1648.1,"body":"now."},{"startTime":1648.4199999999998,"endTime":1650.6599999999999,"body":"It helps keep this investigation visible."},{"startTime":1651.06,"endTime":1652.58,"body":"We'll see you in the next file."}]}