{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":73.63,"endTime":75.47,"body":"3 million pages of evidence."},{"startTime":76.27,"endTime":81.55,"body":"Thousands of unsealed flight logs, millions of data points, names,"},{"startTime":81.71,"endTime":84.03,"body":"themes and timelines connected."},{"startTime":84.83,"endTime":88.91,"body":"You are listening to the Epstein Files, the world's first"},{"startTime":89.07,"endTime":94.14999999999999,"body":"AI native investigation into the case that traditional journalism simply"},{"startTime":94.14999999999999,"endTime":95.22999999999999,"body":"could not handle."},{"startTime":99.71,"endTime":101.03,"body":"Welcome back to the Epstein Files."},{"startTime":101.03,"endTime":101.94999999999999,"body":"It's good to be here."},{"startTime":101.94999999999999,"endTime":104.59,"body":"You know, when you look at this entire sprawling case,"},{"startTime":104.91,"endTime":107.94999999999999,"body":"the central mystery isn't just about one man's 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flanking maneuver."},{"startTime":597.0400000000001,"endTime":602.0,"body":"Maxwell had publicly and very loudly called Jeffre a liar."},{"startTime":602.16,"endTime":603.9200000000001,"body":"She denied all the allegations in the press."},{"startTime":603.9200000000001,"endTime":604.2,"body":"Right."},{"startTime":604.2,"endTime":605.12,"body":"She was very vocal."},{"startTime":605.36,"endTime":608.5500000000001,"body":"So Jeffrey sued her, saying, in effect, by calling me"},{"startTime":608.5500000000001,"endTime":610.03,"body":"a liar, you are defaming me."},{"startTime":610.03,"endTime":611.47,"body":"You are damaging my reputation."},{"startTime":612.11,"endTime":613.7900000000001,"body":"Now, here is the absolute key."},{"startTime":614.11,"endTime":617.39,"body":"In a civil suit, you have the discovery process."},{"startTime":617.47,"endTime":618.15,"body":"Discovery."},{"startTime":618.15,"endTime":618.51,"body":"Okay?"},{"startTime":618.51,"endTime":620.59,"body":"And that's where you get to ask for documents and"},{"startTime":620.59,"endTime":620.99,"body":"evidence."},{"startTime":620.99,"endTime":622.3100000000001,"body":"You can demand documents."},{"startTime":622.3100000000001,"endTime":625.5500000000001,"body":"You can demand emails, flight logs, depositions."},{"startTime":625.63,"endTime":628.23,"body":"You can say, if you claim I'm lying about being"},{"startTime":628.23,"endTime":630.19,"body":"on that plane, well, show me the flight logs."},{"startTime":630.27,"endTime":632.11,"body":"It forces the evidence into the open."},{"startTime":632.27,"endTime":635.27,"body":"So it wasn't just about getting money or even getting"},{"startTime":635.27,"endTime":635.87,"body":"an apology."},{"startTime":635.95,"endTime":638.28,"body":"It was about getting the truth on the record."},{"startTime":638.44,"endTime":639.0400000000001,"body":"Exactly."},{"startTime":639.0400000000001,"endTime":641.84,"body":"It was a fact finding mission that was disguised 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convict."},{"startTime":716.9200000000001,"endTime":718.4,"body":"Not as an escaping convict."},{"startTime":718.4,"endTime":719.77,"body":"I mean, that frank phrasing is."},{"startTime":719.77,"endTime":720.89,"body":"It's just chilling."},{"startTime":721.0500000000001,"endTime":723.21,"body":"It's unbelievably revealing."},{"startTime":723.37,"endTime":727.85,"body":"First, it completely contradicts Maxwell's public stance for years."},{"startTime":728.1700000000001,"endTime":730.9300000000001,"body":"She claims she hadn't had any contact with Epstein in"},{"startTime":730.9300000000001,"endTime":733.21,"body":"a decade, that she had severed all ties."},{"startTime":733.53,"endTime":734.49,"body":"And here they are."},{"startTime":734.57,"endTime":737.0500000000001,"body":"Here they are, coordinating, supporting each other."},{"startTime":737.13,"endTime":741.13,"body":"But secondly, and maybe more importantly, it shows their mindset"},{"startTime":741.69,"endTime":742.33,"body":"how so?"},{"startTime":742.33,"endTime":742.9300000000001,"body":"What do you mean?"},{"startTime":742.9300000000001,"endTime":744.8100000000001,"body":"They viewed themselves as besieged."},{"startTime":745.3000000000001,"endTime":747.86,"body":"They viewed the allegations not as, you know, crimes they"},{"startTime":747.86,"endTime":750.38,"body":"committed, but as a PR problem to be managed."},{"startTime":750.38,"endTime":752.14,"body":"It wasn't, oh, my God, what did we do?"},{"startTime":752.14,"endTime":753.86,"body":"It was, how do we look?"},{"startTime":753.86,"endTime":754.98,"body":"How do we handle this?"},{"startTime":754.98,"endTime":757.1800000000001,"body":"It sounds like a coach giving a pep talk to"},{"startTime":757.1800000000001,"endTime":758.58,"body":"a player before a big game."},{"startTime":758.9,"endTime":761.46,"body":"Keep your head up, don't look guilty, walk tall."},{"startTime":761.46,"endTime":762.26,"body":"Precisely."},{"startTime":762.34,"endTime":764.4200000000001,"body":"It shows a continuing bond between them."},{"startTime":764.4200000000001,"endTime":767.1,"body":"It shows that the Toxic Team was still operating, at"},{"startTime":767.1,"endTime":771.22,"body":"least emotionally and strategically, long after the abuse allegedly occurred."},{"startTime":771.22,"endTime":772.74,"body":"They were in the foxhole together."},{"startTime":772.82,"endTime":775.7,"body":"And speaking of strategy, the files also touch on this"},{"startTime":775.7,"endTime":776.82,"body":"concept of insurance."},{"startTime":777.19,"endTime":778.99,"body":"You know, we hear this term thrown around in spy"},{"startTime":778.99,"endTime":781.91,"body":"movies, but it actually appears here in the legal documents."},{"startTime":782.15,"endTime":782.71,"body":"It does."},{"startTime":782.95,"endTime":786.7900000000001,"body":"There are references, particularly involving Alan Dershowitz, who was one"},{"startTime":786.7900000000001,"endTime":790.19,"body":"of Epstein's lawyers and was also accused by Giuffre, which"},{"startTime":790.19,"endTime":791.83,"body":"he has always vehemently denied."},{"startTime":792.15,"endTime":794.75,"body":"Where the concept of an insurance file comes up."},{"startTime":794.75,"endTime":797.47,"body":"Right, the idea that Epstein had dirt on everyone, the"},{"startTime":797.47,"endTime":798.47,"body":"ultimate blackmail."},{"startTime":798.47,"endTime":802.23,"body":"Bershowitz mentioned in interviews and in filings that Epstein had"},{"startTime":802.23,"endTime":804.15,"body":"information that would prevent prosecution."},{"startTime":804.83,"endTime":807.5500000000001,"body":"The clear implication being that if Epstein went down, he"},{"startTime":807.5500000000001,"endTime":809.47,"body":"would take a lot of powerful people with him."},{"startTime":809.87,"endTime":811.59,"body":"This is classic compromise."},{"startTime":811.59,"endTime":813.47,"body":"It's mutual assured destruction."},{"startTime":813.7900000000001,"endTime":815.63,"body":"If I burn, you burn with me."},{"startTime":815.71,"endTime":819.03,"body":"It's psychological warfare in these high stakes legal battles."},{"startTime":819.03,"endTime":820.59,"body":"It is not just about the law."},{"startTime":820.75,"endTime":823.15,"body":"It's about the threat of ruin, the threat of total"},{"startTime":823.15,"endTime":823.87,"body":"exposure."},{"startTime":824.11,"endTime":826.7900000000001,"body":"And that fear, that fear of what was in Epstein's"},{"startTime":826.7900000000001,"endTime":829.95,"body":"safe or on his servers, it likely kept many, many"},{"startTime":829.95,"endTime":831.59,"body":"people silent for a very long time."},{"startTime":831.59,"endTime":833.71,"body":"It explains that ring of protection around him."},{"startTime":833.87,"endTime":836.35,"body":"Well, Virginia Giuffre wasn't afraid 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him."},{"startTime":860.73,"endTime":861.37,"body":"She did."},{"startTime":861.61,"endTime":864.21,"body":"She alleged that she was forced to have sexual relations"},{"startTime":864.21,"endTime":866.01,"body":"with him on three separate occasions."},{"startTime":866.6,"endTime":869.0,"body":"In London, in New York and on the island."},{"startTime":869.24,"endTime":871.6800000000001,"body":"But it's the details in the file that make it"},{"startTime":871.6800000000001,"endTime":872.52,"body":"so sticky."},{"startTime":872.76,"endTime":876.6800000000001,"body":"The groping allegation at Maxwell's London mansion, the New Mexico"},{"startTime":876.6800000000001,"endTime":878.9200000000001,"body":"trip, and that description of the puppet."},{"startTime":878.9200000000001,"endTime":879.72,"body":"The puppet."},{"startTime":879.72,"endTime":881.2,"body":"This was a photo, wasn't it?"},{"startTime":881.2,"endTime":882.8000000000001,"body":"Or a description of a 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Trump where he called Epstein a"},{"startTime":1068.43,"endTime":1071.3899999999999,"body":"terrific guy and noted that he likes them on the"},{"startTime":1071.3899999999999,"endTime":1074.59,"body":"younger side, which in hindsight is just a bone chilling"},{"startTime":1074.59,"endTime":1077.19,"body":"quote on the younger side, to say the very least."},{"startTime":1077.44,"endTime":1079.96,"body":"It suggests it was something of an open secret among"},{"startTime":1079.96,"endTime":1080.72,"body":"that crowd."},{"startTime":1080.96,"endTime":1083.48,"body":"But the files also highlight that they had a falling"},{"startTime":1083.48,"endTime":1083.76,"body":"out."},{"startTime":1084.24,"endTime":1087.1599999999999,"body":"Trump later asserted that he kicked Epstein out of Mar"},{"startTime":1087.1599999999999,"endTime":1087.76,"body":"a Lago."},{"startTime":1087.92,"endTime":1090.68,"body":"I think the story was something about Epstein hitting on"},{"startTime":1090.68,"endTime":1091.92,"body":"a club member's daughter."},{"startTime":1092.08,"endTime":1093.04,"body":"That is the story."},{"startTime":1093.1989999999998,"endTime":1095.8,"body":"And the files do reflect that by the time of"},{"startTime":1095.8,"endTime":1099.04,"body":"the 2008 prosecution, and certainly in the later years, Trump"},{"startTime":1099.04,"endTime":1100.1999999999998,"body":"and Epstein were not friends."},{"startTime":1100.1999999999998,"endTime":1102.32,"body":"You could even say they were rivals or enemies."},{"startTime":1102.56,"endTime":1105.12,"body":"But again, the proximity was there in those early years,"},{"startTime":1105.1999999999998,"endTime":1107.329,"body":"and Epstein collected people of Power."},{"startTime":1107.329,"endTime":1109.7289999999998,"body":"He did not check their voter registration cards."},{"startTime":1109.7289999999998,"endTime":1111.369,"body":"And that's such a key 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it."},{"startTime":1209.1399999999999,"endTime":1209.54,"body":"Right?"},{"startTime":1209.6999999999998,"endTime":1212.5,"body":"It creates this massive vacuum for speculation."},{"startTime":1212.82,"endTime":1215.9399999999998,"body":"It could have been political posturing, implying you have dirt"},{"startTime":1215.9399999999998,"endTime":1217.06,"body":"to keep people in line."},{"startTime":1217.85,"endTime":1220.05,"body":"Or it could just be a misunderstanding of what the"},{"startTime":1220.05,"endTime":1221.1299999999999,"body":"documents actually were."},{"startTime":1221.1299999999999,"endTime":1223.53,"body":"Maybe she had the flight logs on her desk and"},{"startTime":1223.53,"endTime":1224.81,"body":"just called it a client list."},{"startTime":1225.37,"endTime":1228.9299999999998,"body":"Or maybe there were legal redactions made to protect non"},{"startTime":1228.9299999999998,"endTime":1230.09,"body":"indicted individuals."},{"startTime":1230.09,"endTime":1231.4499999999998,"body":"Because that's a legal reality."},{"startTime":1231.4499999999998,"endTime":1231.77,"body":"Right?"},{"startTime":1231.77,"endTime":1233.77,"body":"You can't just release the names of people who haven't"},{"startTime":1233.77,"endTime":1235.53,"body":"been charged with a crime just because they knew a"},{"startTime":1235.53,"endTime":1236.01,"body":"bad guy."},{"startTime":1236.01,"endTime":1236.57,"body":"Exactly."},{"startTime":1236.57,"endTime":1238.01,"body":"Privacy laws still exist."},{"startTime":1238.01,"endTime":1241.85,"body":"You cannot legally destroy someone's reputation without due process."},{"startTime":1242.49,"endTime":1245.6799999999998,"body":"But that discrepancy between I have the list on my"},{"startTime":1245.6799999999998,"endTime":1249.6,"body":"desk and there is no list, it just fuels the"},{"startTime":1249.6,"endTime":1253.28,"body":"public perception that the system is hiding 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dies."},{"startTime":1385.1299999999999,"endTime":1388.29,"body":"The suicide and the files and the transcripts that we"},{"startTime":1388.29,"endTime":1390.9699999999998,"body":"have, they discuss the deep skepticism around this."},{"startTime":1391.29,"endTime":1394.8899999999999,"body":"The broken cameras in his cell block the sleeping guards,"},{"startTime":1395.29,"endTime":1399.4099999999999,"body":"the pathology reports mentioning burst capillaries in his eyes, which"},{"startTime":1399.4099999999999,"endTime":1403.29,"body":"some experts argue points to homicide, specifically strangulation."},{"startTime":1403.61,"endTime":1403.9699999999998,"body":"Dr."},{"startTime":1403.9699999999998,"endTime":1407.9299999999998,"body":"Michael Baden, a very famous forensic pathologist, made that claim"},{"startTime":1407.9299999999998,"endTime":1408.81,"body":"very publicly."},{"startTime":1409.34,"endTime":1411.4199999999998,"body":"He was hired by Epstein's brother."},{"startTime":1411.4199999999998,"endTime":1414.86,"body":"He argued the physical evidence didn't match a typical hanging."},{"startTime":1415.1799999999998,"endTime":1417.4599999999998,"body":"And look, we could do 10 deep dives on the"},{"startTime":1417.4599999999998,"endTime":1418.58,"body":"theories surrounding his death."},{"startTime":1418.58,"endTime":1419.34,"body":"Oh, easily."},{"startTime":1419.5,"endTime":1422.2199999999998,"body":"But whether it was suicide or murder, the result for"},{"startTime":1422.2199999999998,"endTime":1423.6999999999998,"body":"the victims was exactly the same."},{"startTime":1423.6999999999998,"endTime":1424.62,"body":"Justice denied."},{"startTime":1424.62,"endTime":1426.3799999999999,"body":"They didn't get their day in court against him."},{"startTime":1426.3799999999999,"endTime":1427.6599999999999,"body":"They were robbed of the trial."},{"startTime":1427.74,"endTime":1429.02,"body":"They robbed of the 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once."},{"startTime":1803.07,"endTime":1803.51,"body":"It is."},{"startTime":1803.51,"endTime":1805.51,"body":"And these files, they are still being mined."},{"startTime":1805.51,"endTime":1806.75,"body":"We are still learning things."},{"startTime":1806.75,"endTime":1808.79,"body":"The story is not over just because the cell door"},{"startTime":1808.79,"endTime":1810.07,"body":"closed on Ghislaine Maxwell."},{"startTime":1810.07,"endTime":1810.87,"body":"Absolutely."},{"startTime":1810.87,"endTime":1813.1499999999999,"body":"And speaking of the story not being over, there is"},{"startTime":1813.1499999999999,"endTime":1815.1899999999998,"body":"another side to this coin that we've only touched on."},{"startTime":1815.27,"endTime":1818.11,"body":"We established how Virginia's shoe roof from a victim in"},{"startTime":1818.11,"endTime":1821.4299999999998,"body":"Palm beach to the architect of a legal strategy that"},{"startTime":1821.4299999999998,"endTime":1823.51,"body":"exposed the entire Epstein network."},{"startTime":1824.23,"endTime":1827.07,"body":"We looked at the documents she fought to unseal and"},{"startTime":1827.07,"endTime":1829.1899999999998,"body":"the powerful names she refused to protect."},{"startTime":1829.55,"endTime":1831.31,"body":"But there is a group of people in this story"},{"startTime":1831.31,"endTime":1832.99,"body":"we haven't scrutinized enough yet."},{"startTime":1833.3899999999999,"endTime":1838.87,"body":"Next time, the prosecutors who pursued justice, who didn't, the"},{"startTime":1838.87,"endTime":1840.9099999999999,"body":"career consequences accountability."},{"startTime":1841.07,"endTime":1843.03,"body":"The people who were supposed to protect the public in"},{"startTime":1843.03,"endTime":1843.59,"body":"the first place."},{"startTime":1843.59,"endTime":1845.7099999999998,"body":"That's next time on the Epstein Files."},{"startTime":1850.75,"endTime":1853.9499999999998,"body":"You have just heard an analysis of the official record."},{"startTime":1854.83,"endTime":1858.6499999999999,"body":"Every claim, name and date mentioned in this episode is"},{"startTime":1858.6499999999999,"endTime":1860.81,"body":"backed by primary source documents."},{"startTime":1861.29,"endTime":1864.73,"body":"You can view the original files for yourself at Epstein"},{"startTime":1864.73,"endTime":1866.33,"body":"Files fm."},{"startTime":1867.1299999999999,"endTime":1870.1699999999998,"body":"If you value this data first approach to journalism."},{"startTime":1870.49,"endTime":1873.6499999999999,"body":"Please leave a five star review wherever you're listening right"},{"startTime":1873.6499999999999,"endTime":1874.01,"body":"now."},{"startTime":1874.33,"endTime":1876.57,"body":"It helps keep this investigation visible."},{"startTime":1876.9699999999998,"endTime":1878.49,"body":"We'll see you in the next file."}]}