{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":73.63,"endTime":75.47,"body":"3 million pages of evidence."},{"startTime":76.27,"endTime":81.55,"body":"Thousands of unsealed flight logs, millions of data points, names,"},{"startTime":81.71,"endTime":84.03,"body":"themes, and timelines connected."},{"startTime":84.83,"endTime":88.91,"body":"You are listening to the Epstein Files, the world's first"},{"startTime":89.07,"endTime":94.14999999999999,"body":"AI native investigation into the case that traditional journalism simply"},{"startTime":94.14999999999999,"endTime":95.22999999999999,"body":"could not handle."},{"startTime":99.71,"endTime":101.10999999999999,"body":"Welcome back to the Epstein Files."},{"startTime":101.10999999999999,"endTime":101.99,"body":"It's good to be here."},{"startTime":101.99,"endTime":105.42999999999999,"body":"You know, we have spent a lot of time in"},{"startTime":105.42999999999999,"endTime":107.38999999999999,"body":"our previous dives talking about the man 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source documents."},{"startTime":2113.53,"endTime":2119.5299999999997,"body":"You can view the original files for yourself@epsteinfiles.com fm if"},{"startTime":2119.5299999999997,"endTime":2123.33,"body":"you value this data first approach to journalism, please leave"},{"startTime":2123.33,"endTime":2126.25,"body":"a five star review wherever you're listening right now."},{"startTime":2126.49,"endTime":2128.73,"body":"It helps keep this investigation visible."},{"startTime":2129.21,"endTime":2130.73,"body":"We'll see you in the next file."}]}