{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":73.63,"endTime":75.47,"body":"Three million pages of evidence."},{"startTime":76.27,"endTime":78.66999999999999,"body":"Thousands of unsealed flight logs."},{"startTime":79.14999999999999,"endTime":84.03,"body":"Millions of data points, names, themes and timelines connected."},{"startTime":84.83,"endTime":88.91,"body":"You are listening to the Epstein Files, the world's first"},{"startTime":89.07,"endTime":94.14999999999999,"body":"AI native investigation into the case that traditional journalism simply"},{"startTime":94.14999999999999,"endTime":95.22999999999999,"body":"could not handle."},{"startTime":99.71,"endTime":101.14999999999999,"body":"Welcome back to the Epstein Files."},{"startTime":101.31,"endTime":105.19,"body":"I'm looking at an email from Jeffrey Epstein's G vacationmail.com"},{"startTime":105.19,"endTime":106.99,"body":"account dated 2010."},{"startTime":107.38999999999999,"endTime":109.63,"body":"It's a battle.net account 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the"},{"startTime":259.9,"endTime":260.5,"body":"center of this."},{"startTime":260.73,"endTime":263.77,"body":"Yeah, it connects the dots between Silicon Valley, the gaming"},{"startTime":263.77,"endTime":266.89,"body":"industry, and I mean, the highest levels of global political"},{"startTime":266.89,"endTime":267.49,"body":"strategy."},{"startTime":267.49,"endTime":268.93,"body":"It's an unbelievable roster."},{"startTime":268.93,"endTime":271.77,"body":"You have Bobby Kotick, the longtime CEO of Activision, a"},{"startTime":271.77,"endTime":272.57,"body":"titan of the industry."},{"startTime":272.65,"endTime":273.77,"body":"You have Steve Bannon."},{"startTime":273.77,"endTime":275.45,"body":"But this is years before the White House."},{"startTime":275.45,"endTime":277.57,"body":"This is when he was running a, for all intents"},{"startTime":277.57,"endTime":280.09000000000003,"body":"and purposes, a digital sweatshop selling virtual 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for education."},{"startTime":574.67,"endTime":577.43,"body":"Epstein then loops in a man named Pablo Holman, who"},{"startTime":577.43,"endTime":580.6700000000001,"body":"describes himself as a futurist, an inventor, a hacker."},{"startTime":580.6700000000001,"endTime":583.27,"body":"And Holman sends back what can only be described as"},{"startTime":583.27,"endTime":587.03,"body":"a manifesto, a manifesto for what he calls co opting"},{"startTime":587.03,"endTime":588.6700000000001,"body":"the existing video game industry."},{"startTime":589.23,"endTime":592.07,"body":"And he writes, and I'm quoting directly, we have to"},{"startTime":592.07,"endTime":594.51,"body":"keep the boobs and guns and profit."},{"startTime":594.75,"endTime":596.4300000000001,"body":"Fuck educational reform."},{"startTime":596.4300000000001,"endTime":598.35,"body":"We need educational subversion."},{"startTime":598.78,"endTime":601.98,"body":"Subversion, not education subversion."},{"startTime":601.98,"endTime":604.0600000000001,"body":"The intent is laid bare right there."},{"startTime":604.22,"endTime":605.1,"body":"It gets worse."},{"startTime":605.5,"endTime":608.34,"body":"He goes on to propose using raw sex appeal to"},{"startTime":608.34,"endTime":609.66,"body":"force kids to learn."},{"startTime":610.22,"endTime":613.26,"body":"His literal example is, and again I'm quoting, a hot"},{"startTime":613.26,"endTime":616.02,"body":"princess with big tits and a thong who won't open"},{"startTime":616.02,"endTime":618.14,"body":"a door in a game unless the player learns to"},{"startTime":618.14,"endTime":619.4200000000001,"body":"read kanji characters."},{"startTime":619.58,"endTime":622.22,"body":"It's an incredibly crude and misogynistic pitch."},{"startTime":622.22,"endTime":623.9,"body":"It's almost cartoonishly evil."},{"startTime":624.52,"endTime":627.36,"body":"But what's truly revealing is how Bobby Koenig, the 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creating a Skinner box where the child performs"},{"startTime":677.7,"endTime":681.62,"body":"a task and receives a reward, wiring their brain to"},{"startTime":681.62,"endTime":685.7,"body":"participate in a specific economic system that you, the corporation,"},{"startTime":685.86,"endTime":686.26,"body":"control."},{"startTime":686.76,"endTime":688.84,"body":"And the timing here is absolutely critical."},{"startTime":688.84,"endTime":690.36,"body":"We have to look at the date on this email."},{"startTime":690.84,"endTime":692.52,"body":"May 2013."},{"startTime":692.6,"endTime":693.08,"body":"Yes."},{"startTime":693.08,"endTime":695.28,"body":"What else was happening in Activision in the spring of"},{"startTime":695.28,"endTime":695.8000000000001,"body":"2013?"},{"startTime":696.0400000000001,"endTime":700.2,"body":"Just weeks earlier, in April 2013, Activision introduced its first"},{"startTime":700.2,"endTime":704.0400000000001,"body":"ever microtransactions into its biggest 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the labor force, the intense young"},{"startTime":1334.29,"endTime":1334.6499999999999,"body":"men."},{"startTime":1334.6499999999999,"endTime":1337.01,"body":"The other showed him the new currency for that new"},{"startTime":1337.01,"endTime":1337.29,"body":"world."},{"startTime":1337.61,"endTime":1340.37,"body":"So we've covered the corporate ambition, the political mobilization, the"},{"startTime":1340.37,"endTime":1344.01,"body":"financial architecture, but there's one more piece to this puzzle."},{"startTime":1344.4099999999999,"endTime":1346.1699999999998,"body":"Let's call it the cultural weaponization."},{"startTime":1346.33,"endTime":1349.49,"body":"We have to talk about 4chan and Epstein's connection to"},{"startTime":1349.49,"endTime":1353.2099999999998,"body":"it, which is, again, something that seems so far outside"},{"startTime":1353.29,"endTime":1354.73,"body":"his usual sphere of influence."},{"startTime":1354.81,"endTime":1357.6899999999998,"body":"It is, on the surface, a very strange connection."},{"startTime":1358.02,"endTime":1360.6999999999998,"body":"We're talking about the darkest, most chaotic corner of the"},{"startTime":1360.6999999999998,"endTime":1365.3,"body":"Internet, arguably the single most influential cultural engine of the"},{"startTime":1365.3,"endTime":1366.02,"body":"2010s."},{"startTime":1366.82,"endTime":1369.98,"body":"And the documents show Epstein was there at a pivotal"},{"startTime":1369.98,"endTime":1370.34,"body":"moment."},{"startTime":1370.34,"endTime":1371.6999999999998,"body":"The meeting with Moot."},{"startTime":1371.6999999999998,"endTime":1374.4199999999998,"body":"The meeting with Christopher Poole, who is far better known"},{"startTime":1374.4199999999998,"endTime":1376.1799999999998,"body":"by his online handle, Moot."},{"startTime":1376.5,"endTime":1379.02,"body":"He was the founder and, at the time, the sole"},{"startTime":1379.02,"endTime":1380.3,"body":"administrator of 4chan."},{"startTime":1380.3,"endTime":1381.6999999999998,"body":"And the files show they met when."},{"startTime":1381.86,"endTime":1383.9399999999998,"body":"October 24, 2011."},{"startTime":1384.53,"endTime":1387.05,"body":"The meeting appears to have been brokered by Boris Nikolic,"},{"startTime":1387.05,"endTime":1389.53,"body":"a venture capitalist who was a close science advisor to"},{"startTime":1389.53,"endTime":1390.1299999999999,"body":"Epstein."},{"startTime":1390.2099999999998,"endTime":1393.6899999999998,"body":"Nikolic emails Epstein after the meeting, and Epstein gives his"},{"startTime":1393.6899999999998,"endTime":1395.57,"body":"assessment of the 4chan founder."},{"startTime":1395.57,"endTime":1397.25,"body":"He writes, I liked him a lot."},{"startTime":1397.57,"endTime":1398.4499999999998,"body":"I drove him home."},{"startTime":1398.4499999999998,"endTime":1399.33,"body":"He is very bright."},{"startTime":1399.57,"endTime":1401.01,"body":"So a positive meeting."},{"startTime":1401.1699999999998,"endTime":1402.4499999999998,"body":"Epstein is impressed."},{"startTime":1402.53,"endTime":1404.2099999999998,"body":"Now, look Very closely at that date."},{"startTime":1404.2099999999998,"endTime":1406.1299999999999,"body":"October 24, 2011."},{"startTime":1406.2099999999998,"endTime":1407.49,"body":"What happens the next day?"},{"startTime":1407.6499999999999,"endTime":1409.9699999999998,"body":"This is the kind of detail that makes the hair"},{"startTime":1409.9699999999998,"endTime":1412.37,"body":"on a forensic auditor's neck stand up."},{"startTime":1412.8,"endTime":1415.52,"body":"The very next day, October 25, 2011."},{"startTime":1415.6799999999998,"endTime":1418.4399999999998,"body":"Christopher Poole launches a new board on 4chan."},{"startTime":1418.4399999999998,"endTime":1421.84,"body":"It's called POL for politically incorrect Poll."},{"startTime":1422.0,"endTime":1424.6799999999998,"body":"The board that would, for all intents and purposes, serve"},{"startTime":1424.6799999999998,"endTime":1426.32,"body":"as the incubator for the alt right."},{"startTime":1426.48,"endTime":1429.32,"body":"The board that would give birth to Gamergate, that would"},{"startTime":1429.32,"endTime":1432.24,"body":"launch a thousand racist memes, that would become the central"},{"startTime":1432.24,"endTime":1435.7199999999998,"body":"nervous system for QAnon, and would serve as the unofficial"},{"startTime":1435.7199999999998,"endTime":1439.12,"body":"content factory for the entire online component of the 2016"},{"startTime":1439.58,"endTime":1439.82,"body":"election."},{"startTime":1440.3,"endTime":1443.5,"body":"It became what Epstein and Nikolak discussed in other emails."},{"startTime":1443.5,"endTime":1446.2199999999998,"body":"A hive mind capable of mass disruptions."},{"startTime":1446.54,"endTime":1449.1399999999999,"body":"So is it possible this is just a wild 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interested"},{"startTime":1468.2099999999998,"endTime":1469.37,"body":"in mass disruptions."},{"startTime":1469.6899999999998,"endTime":1473.25,"body":"He was interested in how Bannon's intense young men could"},{"startTime":1473.25,"endTime":1474.01,"body":"be mobilized."},{"startTime":1474.01,"endTime":1476.73,"body":"He was interested in Kotick's ideas about subversion."},{"startTime":1476.81,"endTime":1477.49,"body":"Exactly."},{"startTime":1477.49,"endTime":1479.73,"body":"And here he is meeting with the architect of the"},{"startTime":1479.73,"endTime":1483.29,"body":"anonymous web at the precise moment of its political weaponization."},{"startTime":1484.01,"endTime":1486.37,"body":"We can't prove he told Moot to launch poll."},{"startTime":1486.37,"endTime":1487.29,"body":"We don't have that email."},{"startTime":1487.77,"endTime":1492.04,"body":"But to call the timing merely anomalous feels insufficient."},{"startTime":1492.04,"endTime":1494.3999999999999,"body":"It's a data point that demands to be connected to"},{"startTime":1494.3999999999999,"endTime":1494.84,"body":"the others."},{"startTime":1495.08,"endTime":1497.1999999999998,"body":"And this wasn't just a one off interest for her."},{"startTime":1497.1999999999998,"endTime":1498.76,"body":"He kept tabs on a platform."},{"startTime":1498.76,"endTime":1499.36,"body":"He did."},{"startTime":1499.36,"endTime":1501.3999999999999,"body":"We have a documented instance from 2017."},{"startTime":1501.6399999999999,"endTime":1505.48,"body":"Years later, Epstein forwards a 4chan link to a girlfriend."},{"startTime":1505.48,"endTime":1508.56,"body":"And the content of the link is just bizarre."},{"startTime":1508.56,"endTime":1510.6,"body":"It was about a video game called Five Nights at"},{"startTime":1510.6,"endTime":1511.0,"body":"Freddy's."},{"startTime":1511.0,"endTime":1513.4399999999998,"body":"A horror game that's extremely popular with young kids."},{"startTime":1513.4399999999998,"endTime":1513.9599999999998,"body":"Exactly."},{"startTime":1513.9599999999998,"endTime":1517.36,"body":"It's such a strange, specific data point, but it proves"},{"startTime":1517.36,"endTime":1519.7199999999998,"body":"he was still navigating these spaces himself."},{"startTime":1519.8,"endTime":1521.8799999999999,"body":"He wasn't just getting a briefing from an assistant."},{"startTime":1521.8799999999999,"endTime":1523.86,"body":"He was clicking the link on the boards."},{"startTime":1523.9399999999998,"endTime":1526.1,"body":"He understood the culture, the vernacular."},{"startTime":1526.34,"endTime":1529.2199999999998,"body":"Okay, let's try and pull all of these threads together."},{"startTime":1529.2199999999998,"endTime":1530.34,"body":"This has been a lot of information."},{"startTime":1530.4199999999998,"endTime":1530.86,"body":"Wow."},{"startTime":1530.86,"endTime":1532.98,"body":"W Gold, Activision, Bannon, Crypto."},{"startTime":1532.98,"endTime":1533.62,"body":"4chan."},{"startTime":1533.6999999999998,"endTime":1534.98,"body":"Let's draw the through line."},{"startTime":1535.1399999999999,"endTime":1538.98,"body":"How do we connect these dots into one coherent narrative?"},{"startTime":1539.2199999999998,"endTime":1540.82,"body":"I think the best way to look at it is"},{"startTime":1540.82,"endTime":1543.78,"body":"as a timeline of escalation a progression of an idea."},{"startTime":1543.86,"endTime":1546.4199999999998,"body":"The virtual economy starts as a simple test bed and"},{"startTime":1546.4199999999998,"endTime":1546.98,"body":"it evolves."},{"startTime":1547.06,"endTime":1548.4199999999998,"body":"So step one is IGE."},{"startTime":1548.58,"endTime":1548.98,"body":"Right?"},{"startTime":1549.31,"endTime":1553.4299999999998,"body":"From roughly 2001 to 2007, Brock Pierce and Steve Bannon"},{"startTime":1553.4299999999998,"endTime":1554.4299999999998,"body":"run the gold 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as"},{"startTime":1770.9399999999998,"endTime":1772.1799999999998,"body":"a resource to be mined."},{"startTime":1772.34,"endTime":1776.4499999999998,"body":"Your attention, your data, your money, your outrage."},{"startTime":1776.9299999999998,"endTime":1779.4099999999999,"body":"It's all just raw material for the machine."},{"startTime":1779.81,"endTime":1784.1699999999998,"body":"That, quote, indoctrinating kids into an economy, it says it"},{"startTime":1784.1699999999998,"endTime":1784.4499999999998,"body":"all."},{"startTime":1784.61,"endTime":1787.57,"body":"It's not about teaching them to be responsible citizens."},{"startTime":1787.6499999999999,"endTime":1790.8899999999999,"body":"It's about conditioning them to be predictable consumers in a"},{"startTime":1790.8899999999999,"endTime":1791.8899999999999,"body":"closed loop."},{"startTime":1791.8899999999999,"endTime":1793.6499999999999,"body":"A loop designed to keep you engaged."},{"startTime":1794.05,"endTime":1797.37,"body":"Kotick wanted real world incentives, like phone credits to keep"},{"startTime":1797.37,"endTime":1798.29,"body":"you on the device."},{"startTime":1798.37,"endTime":1801.4499999999998,"body":"Bannon wanted political outrage to keep you tethered to the"},{"startTime":1801.4499999999998,"endTime":1801.8799999999999,"body":"movement."},{"startTime":1802.11,"endTime":1804.6699999999998,"body":"And Peirce wanted crypto adoption to keep you tethered to"},{"startTime":1804.6699999999998,"endTime":1806.11,"body":"the alternative financial system."},{"startTime":1806.35,"endTime":1808.59,"body":"And Epstein, it seems, wanted all of it."},{"startTime":1808.59,"endTime":1809.55,"body":"He wanted control."},{"startTime":1809.9499999999998,"endTime":1812.55,"body":"And more than anything, he wanted a world where the"},{"startTime":1812.55,"endTime":1815.11,"body":"rules that applied to everyone else simply didn't apply to"},{"startTime":1815.11,"endTime":1815.3899999999999,"body":"him."},{"startTime":1815.55,"endTime":1818.6699999999998,"body":"The virtual economy was the perfect blueprint for that world."},{"startTime":1818.83,"endTime":1821.51,"body":"In the real world, he was a registered sex offender"},{"startTime":1821.51,"endTime":1823.07,"body":"who had to check in with the authorities."},{"startTime":1823.1499999999999,"endTime":1825.79,"body":"But in the virtual world, he was a visionary investor,"},{"startTime":1825.79,"endTime":1828.9099999999999,"body":"a coin guy, a patron of disruptive ideas."},{"startTime":1829.6599999999999,"endTime":1831.8999999999999,"body":"It was the ultimate escape hatch from accountability."},{"startTime":1832.06,"endTime":1834.1399999999999,"body":"Until the real world finally broke down the door."},{"startTime":1834.1399999999999,"endTime":1835.34,"body":"Until it finally caught up."},{"startTime":1835.34,"endTime":1837.78,"body":"We're almost out of time, but there's one final thought"},{"startTime":1837.78,"endTime":1840.26,"body":"I want to leave our listeners with a loose end"},{"startTime":1840.26,"endTime":1843.02,"body":"from the files that frankly haunts me."},{"startTime":1843.02,"endTime":1845.1,"body":"The 15 hours of documentary footage."},{"startTime":1845.26,"endTime":1845.98,"body":"Exactly."},{"startTime":1846.3,"endTime":1849.2199999999998,"body":"We know Steve Bannon filmed 15 hours of interviews with"},{"startTime":1849.2199999999998,"endTime":1852.3,"body":"Epstein in 2019, just before his final arrest."},{"startTime":1852.78,"endTime":1854.78,"body":"That footage has never been released."},{"startTime":1854.9399999999998,"endTime":1856.3,"body":"We have no idea what's on it."},{"startTime":1856.6499999999999,"endTime":1859.53,"body":"But we do know from that 2018 email what was"},{"startTime":1859.85,"endTime":1860.6899999999998,"body":"on their minds."},{"startTime":1860.6899999999998,"endTime":1862.09,"body":"They were looking for coin guys."},{"startTime":1862.09,"endTime":1863.4499999999998,"body":"They were looking for Brock's people."},{"startTime":1863.6899999999998,"endTime":1866.81,"body":"So if the indoctrination email was their thinking in 2013"},{"startTime":1867.1299999999999,"endTime":1869.6899999999998,"body":"and the coin guys email was their goal in 2018,"},{"startTime":1870.49,"endTime":1873.05,"body":"what new level were they discussing in those 15 hours"},{"startTime":1873.05,"endTime":1874.33,"body":"on camera in 2019?"},{"startTime":1874.49,"endTime":1876.09,"body":"Did they find their coin guys?"},{"startTime":1876.09,"endTime":1878.01,"body":"Did they build the next phase of the machine?"},{"startTime":1878.01,"endTime":1879.6899999999998,"body":"The files show they were looking."},{"startTime":1879.85,"endTime":1882.09,"body":"And when you look at the opacity of the modern"},{"startTime":1882.09,"endTime":1885.85,"body":"crypto market, the untraceable money, the anonymous founders, you have"},{"startTime":1885.85,"endTime":1888.07,"body":"to wonder if the architecture they planned on that tape"},{"startTime":1888.1399999999999,"endTime":1890.06,"body":"is the architecture we're all living with today."},{"startTime":1890.3799999999999,"endTime":1892.34,"body":"It is the black box at the heart of this"},{"startTime":1892.34,"endTime":1893.1799999999998,"body":"whole investigation."},{"startTime":1893.1799999999998,"endTime":1895.3799999999999,"body":"We have the emails, we have the flight logs, we"},{"startTime":1895.3799999999999,"endTime":1897.82,"body":"have the financial records, but we don't have the final"},{"startTime":1897.82,"endTime":1898.2199999999998,"body":"tape."},{"startTime":1898.3,"endTime":1900.3,"body":"Something to think about the next time you log in."},{"startTime":1900.54,"endTime":1901.98,"body":"This has been the Epstein files."},{"startTime":1901.98,"endTime":1902.6999999999998,"body":"We'll be back."},{"startTime":1907.82,"endTime":1911.02,"body":"You have just heard an analysis of the official record."},{"startTime":1911.98,"endTime":1915.74,"body":"Every claim, name and date mentioned in this episode is"},{"startTime":1915.74,"endTime":1917.86,"body":"backed by primary source documents."},{"startTime":1918.34,"endTime":1922.4199999999998,"body":"You can view the original files for yourself at epsteinfiles"},{"startTime":1922.74,"endTime":1923.3,"body":"fm."},{"startTime":1924.1799999999998,"endTime":1927.8999999999999,"body":"If you value this data first approach to journalism, please"},{"startTime":1927.8999999999999,"endTime":1930.98,"body":"leave a five star review wherever you're listening right now."},{"startTime":1931.379,"endTime":1933.62,"body":"It helps keep this investigation visible."},{"startTime":1934.02,"endTime":1935.54,"body":"We'll see you in the next file."}]}