{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":73.63,"endTime":75.47,"body":"3 million pages of evidence."},{"startTime":76.27,"endTime":78.66999999999999,"body":"Thousands of unsealed flight logs."},{"startTime":79.14999999999999,"endTime":84.03,"body":"Millions of data points, names, themes and timelines connected."},{"startTime":84.83,"endTime":88.91,"body":"You are listening to the Epstein Files, the world's first"},{"startTime":89.07,"endTime":94.14999999999999,"body":"AI native investigation into the case that traditional journalism simply"},{"startTime":94.14999999999999,"endTime":95.22999999999999,"body":"could not handle."},{"startTime":96.35,"endTime":96.58999999999999,"body":"Foreign."},{"startTime":99.55,"endTime":101.31,"body":"Welcome back to the Epstein Files."},{"startTime":101.38999999999999,"endTime":105.14999999999999,"body":"Last time we walked through how elite universities knowingly accepted"},{"startTime":105.14999999999999,"endTime":107.87,"body":"millions from a convicted sex offender and tried to hide"},{"startTime":107.87,"endTime":108.66999999999999,"body":"the paper trail."},{"startTime":109.07,"endTime":111.63,"body":"Today, we're following that money to the billionaires who wrote"},{"startTime":111.63,"endTime":112.27,"body":"the checks."},{"startTime":112.35,"endTime":115.75,"body":"Bill Gates, Reid Hoffman, and the Silicon Valley network that"},{"startTime":115.75,"endTime":117.22999999999999,"body":"kept Epstein in their orbit."},{"startTime":117.47,"endTime":120.63,"body":"As always, every document and source we reference is available"},{"startTime":120.63,"endTime":122.27,"body":"at Epsteinfiles FM."},{"startTime":123.37,"endTime":126.85,"body":"So in September 2013, Bill Gates walks into Jeffrey Epstein's"},{"startTime":126.85,"endTime":129.97,"body":"Manhattan townhouse for what became the first of dozens of"},{"startTime":129.97,"endTime":131.13,"body":"documented meetings."},{"startTime":131.13,"endTime":135.25,"body":"And by 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and"},{"startTime":255.66,"endTime":258.14,"body":"kind of intriguing, although it would not work for me."},{"startTime":258.86,"endTime":263.62,"body":"Intriguing is such a specific and detached choice of words"},{"startTime":263.62,"endTime":264.62,"body":"given who he's meeting."},{"startTime":264.83,"endTime":265.95,"body":"It's forensic gold."},{"startTime":266.11,"endTime":266.90999999999997,"body":"It really is."},{"startTime":266.90999999999997,"endTime":268.43,"body":"It implies this fascination."},{"startTime":268.51,"endTime":271.66999999999996,"body":"It suggests that despite the criminal record, which was public"},{"startTime":271.66999999999996,"endTime":274.59000000000003,"body":"knowledge, you know, New York magazine had profiled him, the"},{"startTime":274.59000000000003,"endTime":276.95,"body":"2008 conviction was global news."},{"startTime":276.95,"endTime":279.71000000000004,"body":"Gates found the network Epstein built to be 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Goodwin Proct report shows this wasn't just a"},{"startTime":459.72,"endTime":460.55999999999995,"body":"one off idea."},{"startTime":460.55999999999995,"endTime":460.84000000000003,"body":"No."},{"startTime":460.84000000000003,"endTime":463.20000000000005,"body":"There was a discussion about Leon Black, the founder of"},{"startTime":463.20000000000005,"endTime":465.52,"body":"Apollo Global Management, doing something very similar."},{"startTime":465.52,"endTime":467.76,"body":"A five and a half million dollar donation that was"},{"startTime":468.22,"endTime":471.26,"body":"part of this directed funding ecosystem."},{"startTime":471.34000000000003,"endTime":474.02,"body":"So it suggests Epstein was trading on his ability to"},{"startTime":474.02,"endTime":476.9,"body":"unlock billionaire capital to buy his way back into these"},{"startTime":476.9,"endTime":477.82000000000005,"body":"elite institutions."},{"startTime":478.05999999999995,"endTime":481.38,"body":"He was brokering access 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wasn't"},{"startTime":651.41,"endTime":652.49,"body":"standard anonymity."},{"startTime":652.49,"endTime":655.1700000000001,"body":"Usually a donor requests anonymity for privacy."},{"startTime":655.33,"endTime":658.8100000000001,"body":"Here the institution was enforcing anonymity to protect itself from"},{"startTime":658.8100000000001,"endTime":659.33,"body":"the donor."},{"startTime":659.5,"endTime":661.98,"body":"Swenson's testimony is just devastating."},{"startTime":662.22,"endTime":663.58,"body":"She was a development associate."},{"startTime":663.58,"endTime":664.5400000000001,"body":"She was in the room."},{"startTime":664.78,"endTime":668.82,"body":"She detailed conversations where Ito and Cohen explicitly discussed how"},{"startTime":668.82,"endTime":671.82,"body":"to take the money without tripping the internal alarms."},{"startTime":671.98,"endTime":675.9,"body":"She remembers Cohen saying, jeffrey, money needs to be 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Epstein."},{"startTime":704.84,"endTime":708.0,"body":"That personal financial thread, it makes it very difficult to"},{"startTime":708.0,"endTime":709.96,"body":"argue this was all just for the greater good of"},{"startTime":709.96,"endTime":710.36,"body":"the university."},{"startTime":710.6,"endTime":712.2,"body":"It's a direct conflict of interest."},{"startTime":712.28,"endTime":715.44,"body":"It suggests the decision to accept Epstein's money wasn't just"},{"startTime":715.44,"endTime":717.0,"body":"about keeping the lights on at the lab."},{"startTime":717.24,"endTime":720.1,"body":"It was personal enrichment for the director."},{"startTime":720.34,"endTime":722.98,"body":"And the timeline for accountability is also very telling."},{"startTime":723.22,"endTime":727.78,"body":"Joy ito resigned on September 7, 2019, which was exactly"},{"startTime":727.86,"endTime":731.62,"body":"one day after Ronan Farrow's New Yorker article was 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campus,"},{"startTime":780.21,"endTime":782.77,"body":"he was meeting with researchers, and they chose the funding."},{"startTime":782.77,"endTime":785.25,"body":"They prioritized the check over the safety of their own"},{"startTime":785.25,"endTime":786.13,"body":"students and staff."},{"startTime":786.45,"endTime":788.97,"body":"That is the forensic conclusion you have to draw from"},{"startTime":788.97,"endTime":789.65,"body":"the documents."},{"startTime":789.97,"endTime":793.1700000000001,"body":"This pattern, this prioritization, it wasn't unique to mit."},{"startTime":793.41,"endTime":795.8100000000001,"body":"We see a very similar dynamic playing out in the"},{"startTime":795.8100000000001,"endTime":796.69,"body":"venture capital world."},{"startTime":796.69,"endTime":797.33,"body":"That's right."},{"startTime":797.49,"endTime":800.53,"body":"Let's talk about Reid Hoffman, the founder of LinkedIn."},{"startTime":801.99,"endTime":806.4300000000001,"body":"In 2015, that seven 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the"},{"startTime":830.87,"endTime":833.27,"body":"motive of this entire class of enablers."},{"startTime":833.27,"endTime":833.95,"body":"It really does."},{"startTime":833.95,"endTime":837.3100000000001,"body":"Hoffman said, quote, by agreeing to participate in any fundraising"},{"startTime":837.3100000000001,"endTime":839.91,"body":"activity where Epstein was present, I helped to repair his"},{"startTime":839.91,"endTime":841.7900000000001,"body":"reputation and perpetuate injustice."},{"startTime":841.87,"endTime":842.99,"body":"Repair his reputation?"},{"startTime":843.07,"endTime":844.3100000000001,"body":"He admits that was the goal."},{"startTime":844.3100000000001,"endTime":847.07,"body":"It's a direct admission of the transactional nature of the"},{"startTime":847.07,"endTime":847.71,"body":"relationship."},{"startTime":847.87,"endTime":850.99,"body":"Billionaires like Hoffman and Gates, they didn't need Epstein's money."},{"startTime":851.23,"endTime":854.4300000000001,"body":"What they provided in exchange for access to his network"},{"startTime":854.4300000000001,"endTime":857.1700000000001,"body":"or his intrigue was reputation laundering."},{"startTime":857.33,"endTime":860.65,"body":"They were active participants in a rehabilitation project for a"},{"startTime":860.65,"endTime":864.33,"body":"convicted sex offender, and that project normalized his presence throughout"},{"startTime":864.33,"endTime":865.25,"body":"Silicon Valley."},{"startTime":865.33,"endTime":868.25,"body":"We have documentation from Business Insider and other sources."},{"startTime":868.25,"endTime":871.769,"body":"There's a photograph of Elon Musk with Epstein and Ghislaine"},{"startTime":871.769,"endTime":875.41,"body":"Maxwell at the Vanity Fair Oscar party in 2014."},{"startTime":875.89,"endTime":880.13,"body":"And Mark Zuckerberg attended a dinner at Epstein's Manhattan townhouse"},{"startTime":880.13,"endTime":880.9300000000001,"body":"in 2011."},{"startTime":881.01,"endTime":881.2900000000001,"body":"Right."},{"startTime":881.2900000000001,"endTime":882.9300000000001,"body":"And we have to be very careful here."},{"startTime":883.01,"endTime":886.3100000000001,"body":"Unlike with Gates or the media label, the documents we"},{"startTime":886.3100000000001,"endTime":889.87,"body":"have do not show direct funding from Musk or Zuckerberg"},{"startTime":889.87,"endTime":891.91,"body":"to Epstein or from Epstein to them."},{"startTime":891.91,"endTime":894.07,"body":"But the physical proximity is the evidence."},{"startTime":894.23,"endTime":898.03,"body":"It is by attending these dinners, these parties, they signal"},{"startTime":898.03,"endTime":900.63,"body":"to the rest of the industry that Epstein is safe."},{"startTime":901.029,"endTime":903.71,"body":"If the founder of Facebook and the founder of 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gave him the keys to the building, which"},{"startTime":1007.51,"endTime":1008.5500000000001,"body":"endangered their people."},{"startTime":1008.87,"endTime":1012.39,"body":"And this brings us to Lawrence Summers, former Treasury Secretary,"},{"startTime":1012.47,"endTime":1013.99,"body":"former President of Harvard."},{"startTime":1014.07,"endTime":1017.63,"body":"The Harvard Crimson released an analysis of emails between Summers"},{"startTime":1017.63,"endTime":1021.35,"body":"and Epstein that continued right up until July 2019."},{"startTime":1021.91,"endTime":1023.51,"body":"That date is just chilling."},{"startTime":1023.51,"endTime":1024.79,"body":"July 2019."},{"startTime":1024.95,"endTime":1027.99,"body":"That's literally days before Epstein's final arrest."},{"startTime":1028.47,"endTime":1031.29,"body":"Summers was in contact with him until the absolute end."},{"startTime":1031.6,"endTime":1034.2,"body":"And the content of those emails, it wasn't just polite"},{"startTime":1034.2,"endTime":1034.96,"body":"correspondence?"},{"startTime":1034.96,"endTime":1035.68,"body":"Not at all."},{"startTime":1035.68,"endTime":1038.24,"body":"Summers was seeking personal advice from Epstein."},{"startTime":1038.32,"endTime":1041.76,"body":"The emails show a familiarity that just rebuts any defense"},{"startTime":1041.76,"endTime":1044.04,"body":"that this was some legacy acquaintance he was stuck with."},{"startTime":1044.04,"endTime":1047.36,"body":"He referred to a woman as Epstein's wingman and another"},{"startTime":1047.44,"endTime":1049.2,"body":"as a mentee wingman."},{"startTime":1050.08,"endTime":1052.84,"body":"In the context of Jeffrey Epstein, that is an incredibly"},{"startTime":1052.84,"endTime":1053.76,"body":"loaded term."},{"startTime":1054.08,"endTime":1056.32,"body":"It's difficult to interpret that innocuously."},{"startTime":1056.32,"endTime":1059.56,"body":"It suggests Summers understood the dynamics of Epstein's 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visited"},{"startTime":1343.03,"endTime":1345.51,"body":"Epstein's mansion prior to Gates himself going."},{"startTime":1345.75,"endTime":1346.11,"body":"Right."},{"startTime":1346.11,"endTime":1349.1499999999999,"body":"So you have a staff level vetting, theoretically, and then"},{"startTime":1349.1499999999999,"endTime":1351.51,"body":"you have the principal Gates going in."},{"startTime":1351.75,"endTime":1355.1499999999999,"body":"And in that 2011 email you mentioned, Gates refers to"},{"startTime":1355.1499999999999,"endTime":1357.08,"body":"the lifestyle as intriguing."},{"startTime":1357.48,"endTime":1360.12,"body":"We have to look at the environment Epstein created."},{"startTime":1360.28,"endTime":1362.12,"body":"This wasn't a sterile conference room."},{"startTime":1362.1999999999998,"endTime":1363.4399999999998,"body":"This was a townhouse."},{"startTime":1363.4399999999998,"endTime":1366.1999999999998,"body":"Where, as we know from other sources and later 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looking"},{"startTime":1387.9699999999998,"endTime":1388.29,"body":"for."},{"startTime":1388.37,"endTime":1389.9299999999998,"body":"Melinda was looking at the man."},{"startTime":1389.9299999999998,"endTime":1391.8899999999999,"body":"Bill perhaps was looking at the utility."},{"startTime":1392.2099999999998,"endTime":1394.85,"body":"And this brings us back to the MIT directed gift,"},{"startTime":1394.85,"endTime":1396.61,"body":"that $2 million from Gates."},{"startTime":1396.77,"endTime":1399.05,"body":"We need to be crystal clear on the mechanics described"},{"startTime":1399.05,"endTime":1400.37,"body":"in the Goodwin Proctor report."},{"startTime":1400.53,"endTime":1403.4099999999999,"body":"Gates writes the check, but Epstein gets a credit."},{"startTime":1403.49,"endTime":1404.77,"body":"Why would Gates allow that?"},{"startTime":1404.85,"endTime":1405.57,"body":"That's the key."},{"startTime":1405.6499999999999,"endTime":1408.33,"body":"Why let a middle man take credit for 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or tried to the email regarding Leon"},{"startTime":1431.84,"endTime":1432.1599999999999,"body":"Black."},{"startTime":1432.6399999999999,"endTime":1434.2199999999998,"body":"$5.5 million."},{"startTime":1435.01,"endTime":1437.6899999999998,"body":"Epstein was trying to replicate that Gates mechanism."},{"startTime":1437.6899999999998,"endTime":1439.6899999999998,"body":"If Jeffrey tells you that Leon would like a little"},{"startTime":1439.6899999999998,"endTime":1441.8899999999999,"body":"love from mit, we can arrange that, too."},{"startTime":1442.1299999999999,"endTime":1443.73,"body":"That's the quote from the emails."},{"startTime":1443.8899999999999,"endTime":1447.05,"body":"It shows Epstein was orchestrating a flow of billionaire capital"},{"startTime":1447.05,"endTime":1448.6899999999998,"body":"to wash his own reputation."},{"startTime":1449.09,"endTime":1451.9699999999998,"body":"And the billionaires were compliant participants in this 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halls."},{"startTime":1493.81,"endTime":1497.53,"body":"Ito and by extension, the informal framework of the senior"},{"startTime":1497.53,"endTime":1497.81,"body":"team."},{"startTime":1497.9699999999998,"endTime":1500.73,"body":"The MIT report says the senior team wasn't aware of"},{"startTime":1500.73,"endTime":1504.1299999999999,"body":"the specific visits, but they created the conditions for them."},{"startTime":1504.1299999999999,"endTime":1505.6499999999999,"body":"They approved the relationship."},{"startTime":1505.73,"endTime":1507.9699999999998,"body":"Once you approve the money, you approve the access."},{"startTime":1507.9699999999998,"endTime":1510.29,"body":"You can't separate them and Harvard."},{"startTime":1510.37,"endTime":1511.57,"body":"The distinction they make."},{"startTime":1511.9299999999998,"endTime":1514.81,"body":"We stopped taking the money feels like a legalistic fig"},{"startTime":1514.81,"endTime":1516.8899999999999,"body":"leaf when you look at the key 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is"},{"startTime":1792.04,"endTime":1794.1599999999999,"body":"backed by primary source documents."},{"startTime":1794.7199999999998,"endTime":1798.7199999999998,"body":"You can view the original files for yourself at Epsteinfiles"},{"startTime":1799.04,"endTime":1799.6799999999998,"body":"fm."},{"startTime":1800.3999999999999,"endTime":1803.4399999999998,"body":"If you value this data first approach to journalism."},{"startTime":1803.9199999999998,"endTime":1807.04,"body":"Please leave a five star review wherever you're listening right"},{"startTime":1807.04,"endTime":1807.36,"body":"now."},{"startTime":1807.6799999999998,"endTime":1809.9199999999998,"body":"It helps keep this investigation visible."},{"startTime":1810.32,"endTime":1811.84,"body":"We'll see you in the next file."}]}