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This week on The Spills & Thrills Show, Kanyinsola Olukoya sits down with one of Nigeria’s most talked-about media personalities — Pamilerin Adegoke.

From being everyone’s go-to guy in the industry to constantly finding himself at the center of public conversations, Pamilerin opens up like never before.

We talk about:
•The reality of friendships in the industry — who really shows up when it matters
•The pressure of always being “that guy” for everyone
•His experience as a business owner and the harsh realities of running a business in Lagos
•The controversial rent hike that forced him to shut down
•PR, public perception, and how celebrities handle (or mishandle) crises
•Online trolling, backlash, and the moment things got really intense

And then… we get into the conversation everyone has been waiting for:

From EndSARS to openly supporting the current administration, Pamilerin addresses the shift in his stance and explains why he still stands on:

“Tinubu till 2031.”

Is Nigeria really getting better?
What would make him change his mind?
And what does it take to stand firm in your beliefs — even when the internet turns against you?

This is honest. This is layered. This is unfiltered.

Watch now and join the conversation.

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SPEAKER_04

Security is improving. So is the best candidate right now? What totality do we have?

SPEAKER_02

It's not going to be going for five million dollars. They are demanding for two years.

SPEAKER_01

We are all going to use two because it's how many costs is this expensive. Why would the children of God pay? Even for me to answer prices like 2.5, 4 million, 7 million. What are you doing to think how tiny expenses are?

SPEAKER_09

Why did your landlord say they were going to increase that rent to 600%?

SPEAKER_04

I can remember okay. We started with like about 2.0 million, we left with about 20 something million. At the end of the day, we are paying about a million for never giving you a five day sold for about 5 million every month. You are paying salary, the food they're not cheaper. What is cost? Where do you write it? Because it's food business here, can't keep increasing how much you sell food. Salaries are not being increased.

SPEAKER_00

Increased.

SPEAKER_04

Imagine we are about 100 and you have no customer. So at the end of the day, this business is not really paying as it should. You know, security is improving even though we are not there yet. Now, with the introduction of state police, it's gonna get better. You know, this is just three years, and we expect magic and the event to fall in three years, it's not gonna happen. Let's be honest with ourselves. You know, PDP was there for 16 years. You know, this part I just use three years. No, come on, let's cut it outside.

SPEAKER_09

Why did you take the risk, you know, to openly support the president?

SPEAKER_04

Because I believe in what he's doing.

SPEAKER_09

Today we're talking relationships, influence, business, politics, public accepted, and the threat-up of fun to be in the spotlight. My name is Koen Sola Olukoya. Welcome to the Students and Through Show. And my name is Koin Sola Olukoya, the global media girl. Young radio best friend, and the time is exactly 1.23 p.m. And I'll be with you from now till 2 p.m. Now, if you follow me online, you probably already know who my guest is today. And if you don't, this is your cue to follow me on all social media platforms at KoinSola underscore Olukoya. And of course, you can follow the show at the spills and thrills show. Now, my guest today is someone you probably already know. He's everybody's guy, everybody's favorite guy, you know, and he's a PR strategist, media powerhouse, and someone who's constantly been at the center of conversations, both the good, the bad, and everything in between, ladies and gentlemen. I have with me in the studio the one and only Family Larry Adeco. Good afternoon, good afternoon, Family Larry. How are you?

SPEAKER_04

I'm okay. It's too early here for us to start fighting.

SPEAKER_09

I'm so happy to be here. I can see it. See how excited you are. It's his first time on radio. How do you feel? First time on radio. How do you feel?

SPEAKER_04

First time on radio.

SPEAKER_09

First time already, how exactly do you feel? You can't this is the safe.

SPEAKER_04

Nobody in my family has ever been here. I feel great, you know. New milestone.

SPEAKER_08

New milestone, a lot.

SPEAKER_04

Are you guys going to give me a certificate?

SPEAKER_08

No, no. I've actually used your card to buy food this afternoon.

SPEAKER_09

So we don't ever have a certificate, but uh welcome to the show, family Larry. How are you?

SPEAKER_04

I'm okay. Surviving the country.

SPEAKER_09

You're surviving.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, we are not.

SPEAKER_09

We are we all are, we all are, and of course, you are everybody's you know favorite uncle, especially at Simi and Femi Dapson's wedding. I really love the clips that I saw of you there, like you were all about making sure that you know the groom leaves this particular place on time. I saw you even you know being so dramatic and all of that.

SPEAKER_04

They are senior in marriage, you have to you know put them on check.

SPEAKER_09

And I heard that they got they met at your wedding.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, they met in a core in a career, so we have to be there for them as well.

SPEAKER_09

Oh if you had known that your wedding was a matchmaking ground, is it possible that you could have been legged in Miami by now?

SPEAKER_04

I would have put tickets. So my battle table, but it's the table table, true.

SPEAKER_09

Do you think now that you know like you it's confirmed that people can meet people at your events and you know, get my event or wedding wedding? No, eventually, do you think that you're going to like do something like you know what Leggett Miami does? Like responsible ladies, please, irresponsible ladies that way, you know, try to match me.

SPEAKER_04

But all my friends are irresponsible. All my male friends are irresponsible.

SPEAKER_09

Because I'm just saying, like your female friends, like you know, I beg all of them to go and marry now, but they are irresponsible. Yeah, okay. All right, all male friends of primary area are irresponsible. Now we know. All right, so I'm going to I I noticed something about you, you know, the way you show up for people, and that's why I started with the wedding. The way you show up for people, it's so good. I I don't know if you remember last year, it's almost this time last year when we had with today live. Oh, yeah, yes, where you saw me, you I was very overwhelmed, and you came to meet me, and you were like, how can I help you? You know, now you've been doing hard guy for me behind the scenes, but outside, like this, you're so caring, and you came and you helped out. And I was like, Oh, Tany Makanaki is probably outside, and you ran there to go and help out, and all of that. And I just want to use this medium to say thank you for being such a good friend to me to bring that cute friend, you're just pretending, you are still pretending for them on this show. His real character and behavior will soon come out. But I just really want to say thank you so much for being such a good friend to me and to everybody else around you. But now I want to now ask, like, as somebody that is everybody's gay, you know, the how do you keep all these relationships? Because you know a lot of people. So, how do you maintain your relationships? How are you able to do all of that and still like function at work? Because I think it's overwhelming personally, having to you know reach out to be there for everybody, you know. I don't know how do you do it?

SPEAKER_04

I think to be honest, sometimes I I sit down. I'm like, you know too many people, and I'm like, Ow, you know, so my friends call me the plug.

SPEAKER_09

D plug.

SPEAKER_04

So anybody wants to reach out to someone or they want to get someone, you have family and family react number. Yeah, and they're always right, you know. So I think for me, I feel it's a good thing. It's relationships I've built over the years, and being in this space for 13 years now, you know, so I've I built all those relationships over the years, and again, I'm a good guy. You know, let me play my own trumpets.

SPEAKER_07

Come on, come on, good guy.

SPEAKER_04

I'm a good guy, and um, I just want everyone to be happy to be honest, because there's this thing that everyone says the sky is big enough. I don't see anybody's competition, you know. I feel like if you're okay, I'm okay. You know, I am I'm I'm of this mindset that not having just one rich person among ten group of friends. Imagine we are out of ten, eight of us are millionaires. Yes, we can easily go up to like oh, but I'm saying two million, but I'm saying five million, but yeah. It's not gonna be a problem. You get yeah, so that's that's my own thing. So I want everyone to really be good and be fine.

SPEAKER_09

Okay, that's good. Um and but the same way you show up for people, do you experience that? Because I know a lot of people that say, Oh, they show up for this person, that person, and when it's their own turn, they don't get the same energy. So, is that your own story as well? And in like without thinking so much, if you're to mention like maybe three people, you know, that have come that you know that if anything is wrong with you right now, you're going to call them who are these people? I mean, I want to know.

SPEAKER_04

So, talking about shading up, um, I really don't expect anything from anyone in return, to be honest, because the moment you start expecting it, then it's not the friendship is not genuine. You know, that means you're putting you're doing things because you want to come to get something in return. But at the end of the day, all my friends show up for me. I want to mention three people, I'll mention Angela, Miss Angela, I'll mention Favor, I'll probably mention they come by me as well.

SPEAKER_09

They come by me daily, that's your best friend. It's so good to see that you guys are still like solid after all these years. I think I met you through PEX years as well.

SPEAKER_04

I remember we met at one of these events.

SPEAKER_09

Yes, I'm marked.

SPEAKER_04

You were very small then.

SPEAKER_09

Uh-huh. Who asked you for history now?

SPEAKER_04

I'm just reminding you.

SPEAKER_09

Alright, so let's get right into it. I want you to I want to play a video and I want you to listen to it. I hope that you can, you know, hear it. I'm just going to play it from here. Let's go.

SPEAKER_02

It's going for five minutes. They are demanding for two years.

SPEAKER_01

We've got to do expensive. I mean I need dispenses are.

SPEAKER_09

Let me stop here because this was a lot. People were just talking about, you know, house rent. And it just and it just brings me to your tweet, right? You made a post saying that you had to shut down La Cibo. Now, La Cibo was such a good place to eat in Suruleri. I enjoyed La Cibo. I went with my friends there, and the burger was like my fave every time I go there. I've had dates, countless dates in um the private restaurants.

SPEAKER_04

All the private dates we are there now. But let's move on. You're talking about house rent.

SPEAKER_09

That was that was not uh no ala.

SPEAKER_04

Countless dates without a man.

SPEAKER_09

It is well, no problem.

SPEAKER_04

How many did you buy? Do you buy how many dates?

SPEAKER_09

Let's continue. Let's let's there are much more important things in the country that we should focus on. You know, my love life is not one of them. It's not, it's not oh, oh okay. Continue.

SPEAKER_08

Okay, ah, I I brought the wrong guest. I brought the wrong guest. Okay, so cabillary.

SPEAKER_09

So now talking about Lacibo, talking about Lacebo and the flames, right? You had to shut down because your landlord increased rent, you know, by 600% in two years. First of all, right, why I don't even understand why what why did your landlord say they were going to increase that rent to 600%? What exactly was their own reason? Because different landlords have different reasons for increasing rent. What was your own landlord's reason? And given the fact that you had invested so much in you know in those businesses, how was that, you know, how was that phase of life for you? And when when did this happen?

SPEAKER_04

So I don't think landlords have reasons to increase rent. If you're not doing anything on that house, you know, it's not a new house, you're not innovating, you're not repenting, you are not doing anything. Yeah. And me being me even saying 600% in two years is me trying to to be calm. You know, imagine you staying from two million to about twelve twenty-something million in five years. Yeah, that's how we started. I think I can remember we started with like about two point something, you know, then we left with about 20 something million. So imagine in five years.

SPEAKER_06

Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_04

So see that and it at the end of the day, they want you to pay so much for, right? You are paying about a million or two for Nepal view. You are buying diesel for about five million every month, you are paying staff salary. This is the food that you're not buying is is they're not they're not cheaper. And again, I don't know where all these costs, when you rewrite it, because it's food business, yeah. We can't continue, we can't keep increasing how much you sell food. Salaries are not being increased.

SPEAKER_00

Increased.

SPEAKER_04

You know, so imagine a burger of 100 neira before. Well, because you have increased my rent, or um light spill has gone up, or your burger of 100 now be 600. You have no customer, yes. So at the end of the day, if the business is not really paying as it should, that you're having more cost than you should, you're incurring more costs that than you should. You should.

SPEAKER_09

I and I think that most people can relate to this. I've done um house hunting for people for my friends before, like I've done it with them, and the prices are always outrageous from the landlords, from the agents, agents fee is even crazy, it's a whole lot of money entirely because you start to think why am I paying so much for you know why am I paying so much to the agents, you know, before you now even pay your rent and then they now increase it again again? So, my question now is do you think from your own perspective, do you think there is any protection, you know, for tenants from landlords and agents and this exorbitant prices?

SPEAKER_04

To be honest, yeah, even if the government breaks the rule, yeah, in this part of what part of the world, they will tell you that did the government buy sand for me? Did the government buy block for me? Did the government buy my land for me? So there's least one nothing the government can do. The government cannot say, Oh, yeah, oh, you cannot rent two um two bedrooms for more than three million. The government cannot, even if the government says it, we the government wants to look for house for you, you know, because and this is because we don't have alternatives, but why can't people report? Report.

SPEAKER_09

So I I I know that as a last year, I think 2025, they announced that oh, there was a there's a new rule where um if you're a tenant and your landlord is asking you to pay for more than one year, right?

SPEAKER_04

That landlord is going to pay a fine of hundred thousand era or spend three reports with the place last year will be homeless. Reports only no, but if I report to woo where everyone is corrupt, so woo the police are the landlord will pay fifty thousand or hundred thousand. But that money you want to use it. Do we have money to do kiss? Landlord will use landlords will tell you that we will do case. Uh case Java it's not the government's property at the end of the day, and this part of the world that we are in, all these rules, you can only make rules now to enforce it, is it's a lot of work.

SPEAKER_09

But if you were to advise, if you were to advise the landlord, no, the like the government, not for that. You are saying that I cannot report as because do you know that if I even pay you, let's say you're you're my landlord, Cramilarin, and I pay you which one is over. If you're my landlord and I pay you uh more for more than two years, right? I mean, I I can also go to jail for three to prison for three months or pay hundred thousand. He's sending me to jail.

SPEAKER_04

Me, landlord that will not send you to jail that you're giving me more money. Who would I put for you what? I'm saying it's affecting both of us. So, what do we do? It's just affecting it's affecting landlord though. Landlord also collect his money. Yeah, I don't have to go out to and both and that's your pay my rent. It's not affecting me. As long as you give me the money, I'm okay. But every day, but if you're affecting people if there are alternatives, yeah, and this is why I like staying abroad. Like I can live in Manchester and work in Birmingham because there's proper trains. Like I can take a train, I used to have to plan my life, but I can't live in Ibadan. I walk in Lagos, it's it's co wait, it could make sense. If I say okay, let me use the train. Yes, that train too is about three hours, Lagos, or two hours. Yes, then after the train, I was now still enter bus and all those things. If we are as long as we have a perfect train system, working system, would I be good? I can work in the state and stay in Lagos. But now I'm happy with the new coastal road now because I can work, I can stay in Niger, Logolo, or and work in VI.

SPEAKER_09

So it's it's getting better, it's getting better, it's getting better. Okay, so which brings me to what you said online. So you said that um unless a certain people are out of you know the government, you know, before things will start to get better, do you still stand by that statement?

SPEAKER_04

Who is leaving the government?

SPEAKER_09

No leaving government, but let me put it the way you said this. You said unless a certain group of people are out, nobody should leave the government.

SPEAKER_04

Nothing will really change in the country again, again. I don't think it's so let me so let me let me say it this way. I don't really know who is the government, the people. Hold on, listen. So at the end of the day, we blame the IR ups here. We are not holding other people accountable. Now, I'll tell you, we blame the president for everything. But guess what? Do you know you have more access to your local government chairman? Allocations have been given to them every month. What are they using those allocation allocations to do? As if number one citizen would be funny lobo. But when you want to attack him, go and meet your chairman. But you guys will not because you don't even know what the right thing to do. Sorry, we will not, because we don't know the right thing to do. I'm listening. The world we are supposed to attack because we have it's closer to us, but we are not the attack. The president that we can never see, that most of us will never be able to meet. We go online and type whatever, and that is the end. The war doesn't end on social. What is being done outside social? Who are we holding accountable? Hold your chairman accountable at your house of rap members.

SPEAKER_09

House of Rap members. So that's your own stance because I was going to ask you that you know, people saw your journey from ENSAS. You remember EnSAS in 2020?

SPEAKER_04

Of course I remember Ens.

SPEAKER_09

Alright, people saw your journey from ENSARS to you to I mean, some people said that you now support the APC.

SPEAKER_04

I support the government of the people.

SPEAKER_09

You go okay. Some people said you now support you know the government of the people.

SPEAKER_04

I support the presidency.

SPEAKER_09

Stay in one place. Stay in one place. You went from ENSAS to supporting the APC, the government of the people, supporting Tinuble, Tinable, exactly, to supporting Tinuble then now, you know, because you also um talked about the increment and how you had to shut down your businesses and people came after you. You remember that, right? So I want you to take us through that journey, help us understand that journey. What changed your stance from because now, like, you also I feel like you also know that some things are not working in the country, right? What changed your stance from that to now like supporting the president? That's it, you know. But I mean, most recently in an interview, you had said that unless a certain people like leave before things will start to go.

SPEAKER_04

Who is the best candidate right now? Who else is going to who else do we have? What authority do we have? I don't want to mention other things. But what authority do we have when we have the ourselves?

SPEAKER_09

But what is what is why are you supporting it?

SPEAKER_04

Because I think we need someone who is brutal who can enforce the you think he has been doing that. That's what I say. No, they made it easier for us. No, what I didn't use money.

SPEAKER_09

Look at the look I did look at, this money to do So you're you're you're you're standing on the fact that the problem is not from the head, it's from like other.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, you can't say oh yo, look at the mechanics. Okay, so this television for so much what did you do? What would you believe any road? I mean, did you construct anything? We are asking questions.

SPEAKER_09

Okay, I'll come back to that. But you between me and you do you believe that this current administration, you know, goes from the presidency down to local government, you know, chairman and or not. Do you believe that they deserve a second term with what they've done so far?

SPEAKER_04

The president, the governor, I don't know your local government chairman, they deserve the second term. Now it's now you to put left to either go and change the local government chairman or do something else. From the presidency to Lagos governor, okay, somebody is living. Um is leaving. Um they are done with their channel, but they deserved and they they deserve random applause. They've done so well.

SPEAKER_09

So what what what has this current administration what have they done that makes you believe that they deserve a second term?

SPEAKER_04

Let's talk about the students. Okay, well, as they go on strike.

SPEAKER_09

Ah, they still went on strike.

SPEAKER_04

Well, absolutely.

SPEAKER_09

It's weird. Okay, let me okay, but you cannot you cannot put that on this current additional. You know why? Because before this current administration has been in motion, whatever they've been talking, they've been having conversations with ASU people back and forth, back and forth.

SPEAKER_04

And that one finished the conversation, but it's been in motion already. Anything can be emotional and it will be still be in motion for another 10 years. But they made it happen. Children stopped, they've not gone on strike. Your four years is now four years. Some of you, okay, some of you used six years. I used six years.

SPEAKER_09

I spent six years in Unilag instead of four years. I spent six years.

SPEAKER_04

When was the last strike?

SPEAKER_09

I don't know when the last strike was. But I know this the people that still even graduated, the people that still even graduated this year in Unilag, they spent six years.

SPEAKER_04

Two years. But in three years, have we gone on strike?

SPEAKER_09

You've talked about ASU. I I I'm not fully, you know, convinced with ASU, but I'm listening to you. Yes, I I I know about that, but I mean I don't know any recipients, sadly.

SPEAKER_04

Uh you don't?

SPEAKER_09

I don't know any recipe.

SPEAKER_04

I like I know about hundred.

SPEAKER_09

Okay, I'm listening to you.

SPEAKER_04

Okay, what else do you want to know?

SPEAKER_09

No, I'm asking now like what else have they done that makes you believe that they deserve a second child.

SPEAKER_04

Have you been traveling lately? Traveling to where? Okay, not to by now, I don't abuch that now. Okay, by air, I mean.

SPEAKER_09

By air. Uh

SPEAKER_04

A lot of things have changed, even from the immigration to everything, literally a lot. Good roads. Have you seen the coastal road? Have you used that road? I I go from VI to um Agile in in 15-20 minutes. That never happens. You know, security is improving, even though we are not there yet. Now, with the introduction of state police, it's gonna get better. You know, this is just three years, and we expect magic and the everyone to fall in three years. It's not gonna happen. Let's be honest with ourselves. You know, PDP was there for 16 years, you know, why he did his own eight years. You know, this man are just used three years. No, come on, let's cut him some slap.

SPEAKER_09

All right, um, primary. I mean, I have things to say about that, but I mean we have to like we have to move, right? We have to move. We know that public, um, public personalities like you, they usually avoid coming out to support to openly support a candidate because of backlash from the opposition parties and people that are not in support of these people. Why did you take the risk, you know, to openly support the president?

SPEAKER_04

Because I believe in what he's doing and I believe in his administration.

SPEAKER_09

You didn't come out before for previous ones. Why did you come out now?

SPEAKER_04

I came out for good luck. I never came out for board, but I believed in good luck. Then I believe in the Latin rule. Yeah, so it's not about the party, it's about the person. Good luck is PDP.

SPEAKER_09

So that's why you you are willing to take the insults, the dragging, because they've been dragging you. How is your mental health?

SPEAKER_04

Me in Lagos, as a Nigerian, I don't have one.

SPEAKER_09

Alright, no problem. So I'm going to ask another question, and this one is because every single year people keep coming at you, you know, for this particular thing. I think you even said it in one of your suits. We were like, Oh, they've they've said this year's own. Alright, guys, see you next year. You already used that one, yes, yes, yes, exactly. So people like they kind of speculate about your sexuality. Why do you think that this narrative keeps coming back every single year? They are always coming after you for that. Why do you think they're when it started?

SPEAKER_04

Okay, it started far back as 2019. Okay, yeah, so at that point, myself and Pexi, we travel a lot. So they see us travel a lot. So you feel like who travels our two guys traveling? Obviously, you guys are fucking you guys are having stuff, you guys have stuff to do with each other, yes, you know, and um, we are both open about how we genuinely feel about each other, we care about each other. I'm traveling, he's traveling, we are buying gifts for each other, we are exchanging gifts, and we post all those things, so they feel like we go should you last and apparently this is me with all my friends. Yeah, we buy ourselves birthday gifts, you know, we go on ships, we make sure we buy stuff for all each other, and it's just so they feel you know, Nigerians and more bromanship goes in the DNA, and when they see two people doing it, they'd be like, mm-mm, this is not ordinary, and so and that was it.

SPEAKER_09

That was it. So if you were to set the record straight, what will you say?

SPEAKER_04

I don't buy anybody any information. Continue, keep speculating every year. If I the list came out last year, I would have been offended by no meeting that batch A. I saw the list. This lover, I said, clock it. You know those other lists? The one piece of the one piece. If I was not on the first list, I would have been offended. That's so I have not given it off for you people, but yeah, it's it's normal.

SPEAKER_09

But between me and you, primary, you know, it's currently a speculation now, but at some point it's going to become a label if you don't address it.

SPEAKER_04

After how many years?

SPEAKER_09

Okay, but between anymore. But again, people care because they still drag you, they still they still talk about it. They do, but is I don't say it. But between me and you've not answered my question. Primalary, you've not answered my question. Okay, is that a label you identify with or not?

SPEAKER_04

I don't care. I didn't know people, and this is 2026. Let's come on, it should not be a conversation. You should not care about whatever anybody is. Why is it a problem? Okay, good girl.

SPEAKER_09

What else? Alright, so that's your answer to it. That is it. Okay, Pamela, you went everywhere, you did not address this. I hear too, you're not going to address it. Is that the level you identify with in the middle of the city?

SPEAKER_04

Move on.

SPEAKER_09

I should move on.

SPEAKER_04

Next question.

SPEAKER_09

So that's my that's the answer you're giving me. Yes, that's the answer I should go with Alele. All right, no problem. But yes, um, thank you for you know shedding light on that. Um but on a more serious note, like your mental health. Don't you is it doesn't it get affected with the way they've been dragging you online back to back? I think they dragged you for three days straight up or so at some point this this year.

SPEAKER_04

I think they're still on it this morning.

SPEAKER_09

They're still on it this morning.

SPEAKER_04

But I said something about if you travel out if you go everywhere, if you travel to different states, you appreciate Southwest, and they're angry.

SPEAKER_09

Why are they angry?

SPEAKER_04

Because I said Southwest alone. I don't understand. I should have said something else.

SPEAKER_09

Okay, family Larry. I want to ask you. I want to ask you who is one Nigerian celebrity that you know you think has excellent PR and you just have to give it to their PR team because you're good. Are you are you you used to be part of his PR team?

SPEAKER_04

Yes, I am yeah, I'm still part of his PR team.

SPEAKER_09

So yeah, you're still part of his PR team. Come on, blowing your throat, trumpet. Come on, 11 years now. Come on. So you've been working with Ade Kulegold for 11 years. How has that experience been for you? It's been amazing.

SPEAKER_04

It does one of the brilliant person I've ever met. You know, fame doesn't get to him, it just still kuleko suckle. That's it.

SPEAKER_09

And I I I really love the relationship between both of you because I think you said at one point you were um almost depressed, you know. Then you know you tweeted something mid middle at the middle of the night, and Ade Kule Gold showed up to your apartment.

SPEAKER_04

Admin night.

SPEAKER_09

He showed up to what happened that time because you never really got to tell us the story.

SPEAKER_04

I think I did at some point. Um, so I just left the job and I was fine. Honestly, I was fine until one night. I don't know whatever was happening. Then I was just playing loud music, you know, that said it. So for you to know how intentional I can be, I went on social media, I went to Google, Google, and I started I searched for depressed depression quotes, and I was posting it. And guess what? When I was posting, I was designing the black, white, black, black, white, like waiting now with intention I could be. So I had no idea what was happening. Then I went to the kitchen to the kitchen, I went to pick up a knife, and I went to my room, I looked at my room, and it was raining, I was enjoying the music. I was like, okay, you know, when this music died, I'll now shoot myself. I've watched me in an American movie that I'll not shook myself, I'll not die. I'll now be I'll not come out, I'll now look at myself died.

SPEAKER_09

Are you serious? It was just crazy. What triggered it? Was it a job?

SPEAKER_04

No, so I I I could not, I I think I was lost. Yeah. And I just need someone to talk to me, like, uh-uh, come on, you could you did this and this and this, come on, and that was it. And it's that's what that's all they had to do. I only supergirl, um, Jay One Jumal, and that was it.

SPEAKER_09

And that was it.

SPEAKER_04

And I was I was perfect.

SPEAKER_09

But since then, have you did you did you see a therapist after that time?

SPEAKER_04

As much as I believe. I I told people to see therapist. Yeah, I just don't think it's me for that. I I don't believe in it. Because why? Being honest with you, yes, I would tell you it is whatever the story I'll tell you. I cannot force me to say what I don't want to say. So I'll tell you the way I want you to see things, that's what I will say. And what you would what you want to tell me, it's gorgeous and that's it. And that's I just don't believe in it. But I I always have you to see that we are different.

SPEAKER_09

That that's amazing. Thank you so much. So, when it comes to PR, if I have you on my team, I will definitely be happy because I know that you're going to be able to afford meal.

SPEAKER_04

Let's let's know what you are doing.

SPEAKER_09

All right, well, chefs. That's a lot. Which one is I cannot afford?

SPEAKER_04

I'm not sending you now. But I'm not saying I'm not saying, Oh, yes, great. Now we'll not leave read you now. What I said already. You cannot afford me, so don't put that. How much is it?

SPEAKER_09

How much is it?

SPEAKER_04

Oh, yeah. See what you want, ask what you want.

SPEAKER_09

How much is it that you think I cannot afford it?

SPEAKER_04

I know you're back, I know you're left with at the moment. Ah, you cannot afford it.

SPEAKER_09

Fear mad, fear men.

SPEAKER_04

So let's know where we are doing because I confirmed it let me just tell you now because now we're not finished it. You're not saying you agree with you. I don't agree, but ask your question now.

SPEAKER_09

See, assuming okay, assuming that you are my I was part, they're part of my PR. I was even going to praise you, but Moripe, you are not somebody you are not, yeah. Should not have tried it. I made a mistake. Oh, yeah, no problem. So, my question is very simple. If you were to assuming you were part of my PR, you know, you're you're handling my PR, I would be so happy. Not handling. Ah, God, please. And part of the team, I'll be excited because I know you're very hardworking and you carry every brand or person on your head on the most serious, like let's remove the fact that you just insulted me, right? I can afford you now. I can afford you by the way, he's lying. I can I can afford him because I collected his ATM and boss, which kind of ah ah so um, but for PR, like for brands and public figures, what do you think is the biggest mistake they make when it comes to branding and public perception? What is the biggest thing that you keep on seeing people make? And you're like, you know what? If I were to advise you, if you guys would pay for a class or a session, this is what I'll tell you. What's that one thing? Just one.

SPEAKER_04

I think a lot of people don't believe they don't care about your public perception. They don't think it's important because you just go on on social and just see people doing what rubbish and nonsense, and they only care about now, they don't care about oh, what if somebody searches for me in the next five years, the next ten years, and all these things never leave the internet. That's a mistake people make, you know, and people run away from addressing certain things, you know. They say you stole. You say if you die down, it's not Twitter people, they will talk and talk and they will move on for me. But is that not what you just did? You get so because I did not address it then, it's still the question is still popping up. Yeah, you get if I had addressed it far back as 2019, that it will have died out.

SPEAKER_09

Don't you think you should have just address it now?

SPEAKER_04

I'm not going to address it. You can address it.

SPEAKER_09

Address it, leave it alone.

SPEAKER_04

So that's my own chip.

SPEAKER_09

So you want to leave you want to leave it going on like that. It's every year ritual. So you think it's a mistake that that you are also making? I don't okay.

SPEAKER_05

I got you. I got you.

SPEAKER_04

I think people need to take that very seriously because if you don't address something now, it's it's no matter where you where you get, it will pop up. You know, so they need to really work on their public perception.

SPEAKER_09

They need to work on their public perception. So work on your public perception by your brand imaging, your brand imaging. And what's that one thing, you know, to what's the first step towards like ensuring that I think it should be original as well.

SPEAKER_04

You know, fake life, you can't always say the same thing, you just originally can't be fake for for a long time. Well, broke in at some point, you'll be you'll be broke. So, what happens then? You get to depress, you'll be depressed because you can't afford the lifestyle anymore. So, why not just be authentic as a point?

SPEAKER_09

Like you now, like me. I was authentic when he came. I asked him to give me his ATM so I can buy food for the team and everybody on set.

SPEAKER_04

So that's the good thing about you. Oh, you are meek, you are a calm person, you are genuine, you are honest. That I do I do have money.

SPEAKER_06

Ha!

SPEAKER_04

I'll see your friend. So when you don't have money, we'll have to now we'll see you friends. So I am watching the girl now.

SPEAKER_08

But when you have a call, let them just speak this call quickly before we leave. Good afternoon. We're just supposed to be called, or good afternoon. What is your name, and where are you calling us from?

SPEAKER_09

My name is uh okay. All right, so what is your name? We can't hear you. My name is Adura. Okay, Adora. Okay, Adora from Ibado. We have your brother in the building, Family Larry. Do you have anything to say to Family Larry? Because we're rounding off the show now.

SPEAKER_03

I'm just greeting. Thank you for showing up in this show.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, thank you, Adora. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_09

Adora, you're so sweet. Thank you so much for you know, appreciating Family Larry. Thank you so much. Oh, you even called even I I intentionally did not open the call line because I know that 30 minutes is too short. So we have another call. Let me just speak to this just one more. Hello, good afternoon. What is your name and where you're calling us from?

SPEAKER_03

Good afternoon, you're gonna be Ryan from Savoyaba.

SPEAKER_09

Alrighty, Ryan from Saboyaba. What do you have to say to Family Larry before we round up the show?

SPEAKER_03

Kidding Mush is okay now. Okay, can I afford you?

SPEAKER_04

Oh, you can afford me.

SPEAKER_03

Of course.

SPEAKER_04

Ah, you can afford you. Somebody will afford me. Somebody you don't know. Do you know my next one? You said I don't know you, but I think you can afford me. For me, you think you can afford me, or maybe you will afford me. Thank you so much, my brother. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_09

Thank you so much for calling. Thank you so much for calling. I honestly like I would have opened the call, and I did not like I did not bother to announce, you know. I didn't I did not even bother to like call um call out our phone lines or WhatsApp um messages because we know that there is no time. Thank you so much, Pamiler, for coming on the show. Thank you so much. You know, because you know, like you said, you know that I'm still looking for money, so I can only afford one shit. Afford bag and one ship. So customize it. I'm gonna customize it.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, so thoughtful, thoughtful, yes. Uh I'll put on my Instagram.

SPEAKER_09

Thank you so much. Thank you, Pamela, for coming on the show. I had a good time. Did you have a good time on the show?

SPEAKER_04

Thank you for coming.

SPEAKER_09

Anyways, you reserve it after the show. All right, thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much for supporting the show. Do not forget to follow us on social media at Spiels and Thrills Show. And please subscribe to our YouTube channel because this episode is going to be out on YouTube on Thursday. So subscribe, you know. Um, follow us on social media so you know what is going on, and of course, be expectant. Next week's guest is even going to be more chaotic than this one. Thank you for joining the show. My name is Koenisola Olukoya, and I do hope that you have a fantastic week. All right, Pamela. Listen, everybody, bye together.

SPEAKER_06

Bye, bye.

SPEAKER_09

Thank you so much. Thank you.