Ep. 48 - The Slack Doctors Episode 48 with guest John Rizvi

The Docs talk with John Rizvi, owner of GPS( Growth Professor Studios), patent attorney, and definitely  our best dressed guest to date. John gives us an inside look at patent law including: what are the requirements to file for a patent? How does international patent law operate and how is it enforced? The nuances of novelty, usefulness, and being non obvious. The different types of patents- Design patents( the look)-Utility patents( the function)- Intellectual Property as regards to Copyrights and trademarks. A brief intermission and the Docs react to clips and check their voicemail. We watch Doug Stanhope shining in front of the city council. We react to a Karen who doesn't want to see them eat lunch. A brief discussion on the proper order to watch Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:22

All right, welcome, welcome, welcome to a very special episode of the Slack Doctors. Uh, I am Dr. Chip. I am Dr. Bob. And today we have a very special guest, officially, uh, other than our nurse Becca, who's kind of more of a sidekick than a guest, actually our first official guest in the Growth Professor Studio, and that would be the president and owner of the Growth Professor Studio, John Rizby, otherwise known as the Riz. Uh so he's been gracious enough to uh uh grace us with uh his presence today, and we have tons of questions for him. But first, before we ask him any questions, I want to lay a heap of praise on him uh that we are more than thrilled with the performance we're getting from this studio.

SPEAKER_11 1:08

The the way I would describe our previous studio is a way that uh I heard one of my chefs describe a place. This is when I worked up in North Carolina, and this guy was ran a small, you know, kind of a small place, did a lot of Cajun food and everything. New restaurant opens up and he says about it, he goes, It's all glitz and no grits. There you go.

SPEAKER_02 1:26

Perfect description. Well, first of all, tell everybody about your podcast and what kind of got you into doing the podcast. And and I assume the podcast that you're doing r kind of led to opening your own studio. Is that correct? Yep, 100%. So tell us about your podcast.

SPEAKER_06 1:41

Yeah, so uh uh I'm a the patent attorney. I grew my law firm uh from like a spare bedroom in my home with a laptop and a cell phone to a firm of 60 professionals uh in this building and and doing ten million dollars a year in revenue. And a big part of that growth was just branding and positioning and building authority. And I started uh doing that through video content and later on a podcast as well, and getting podcast uh content that way. Uh and I've been my podcast over the years I've had other lawyers ask me for help in growing their law firms and other businesses uh in branding themselves. Uh one of the first businesses that helped is my wife's uh a dentist, and I helped brand her uh with her uh dental office name, My Dentist for Life. And uh she uh of course is is a customer of uh Growth Professor Studios as well, and she started a podcast along with my daughter, who's a dentist.

SPEAKER_02 2:45

So I watched one of the episodes uh of your podcast, and I thought I found it very interesting and informative. And there's tons of questions I have about not only patent stuff, but lawyering. And but the first question I have is uh in that particular instance of the episode I watched, it was a lady that had invented some little screw that you use to fix your glasses that makes it easier so you just snap off the bottom or something like that, right? But did she invent that or did she just patent it?

SPEAKER_06 3:14

Oh well, in order to get a patent, you have to be the inventor. So there's this misconception that you can and we get that a lot in South Florida. We have like an international clientele, and sometimes they believe that if something's not done in the United States, but they've seen an idea in a foreign country that they can file for a patent. And that's not the case. You have to be the inventor in order to file for a patent.

SPEAKER_02 3:38

Interesting. So the Chinese method then But i but for instance, like I thought that in that particular episode that she had mentioned that she'd either seen something or something had inspired her to do it that I thought she said was either very similar or almost the same thing. So how much do you have to like say she she saw something similar? Because I thought she was talking about something that you'd seen actual optometrists doing or something like that. But say she saw something similar and just tweaked it a little bit. Does that make it legal to get a patent for something that yeah?

SPEAKER_06 4:10

So there's in fact most patents are just improvements over something that already exists. Uh-huh. And the requirements for patentability, there's three requirements. Novelty, which means it's new. Uh and new just means it hasn't been done before or publicly disclosed. Uh useful, there's a utility requirement, and then non-obvious, and non-obvious is the trickiest one. That's the subjective one. Uh uh, because it's, you know, different examiners at the patent office are going to disagree as to what an obvious invention is.

SPEAKER_02 4:42

Well, that's an interesting question.

SPEAKER_11 4:44

Who decides? Very vague. Right, right, right. I mean, if if nobody has thought of it before, then how could it possibly be obvious?

SPEAKER_06 4:53

Yeah, so it's the million-dollar question, and that's what the that's why you have different examiners with a different viewpoint, and that's not the way it's supposed to be, right? That's not how uh justice is supposed to be. Justice is supposed to be blind and you're supposed to get the same answer regardless of who the fact finder or decision maker is. But the patent office has 7,000 examiners and they clearly differ in views on what's an obvious change. Uh but it, you know, when the question comes up on whether something's obvious or not, they look at uh uh basically all kinds of other facts to help them decide if it's obvious. One of the big factors is uh is sales. And in a free market, if something is an obvious change and there's money to be made, then others should have jumped in and done it. And that's a really strong argument that inventors have. They say, hey, I've sold $400 million of this product in two years, and if it was obvious, there's no huge obstacle that I've overcome. If it was obvious somebody else should have done jumped in and done it, and it wasn't obvious, it was going against uh conventional thinking. And and that's if you make that argument, you have sales to back it up. Uh you may be able to persuade an examiner on patentability.

SPEAKER_02 6:14

And then not only that, there are different kinds of patents, not only different kinds, but geographically different patents as well, correct?

SPEAKER_06 6:21

Oh yeah. So patents are uh country specific. So initially, uh we're a US-based law firm, you file in the United States, and once you file for the patent, uh under international treaties, you're automatically protected for one year uh and have priority to file an application uh in any of the other signatory countries, which is pretty much most of the world. And as long as you do that within that one year time period, you protect your rights and your rights go back to your initial US filing. So yeah, so so there's different types of patents in terms of geography, yes, country specific. But there's also two primary types of patents. A design patent protects the look of an invention and a utility patent protects the way it functions. So the some products or ideas you may have both. You have design patent protection and utility patent protection.

SPEAKER_02 7:13

An intellectual patent would be utility, I assume, right? Well, they're both or is that such a is that even a thing.

SPEAKER_06 7:23

And that's super broad, and that includes copyrights, uh, which is typically written material or creative material trademarks, which is branding. All of that falls within intellectual property. So intellectual property is generally patents, trademarks, copyrights, and then there's a fourth category uh of trade secrets, which is basically uh material you know, information that's kept secret by a company and they don't necessarily file to get trade secret protection. The law just protects uh that information based on the company taking steps to keep it confidential.

SPEAKER_02 8:00

You know, that's an interesting you should say that because uh Dr. Bob had sent a video that we were gonna maybe take a look at and ask you some questions. But the gist of it is how about these people that say that there's a guy that invented a car that runs on water, got the patent, and then an oil company.

SPEAKER_11 8:16

Before we got into that, I wanted to bring up another point too about the uh the three criteria you said earlier. So I find it interesting, and there's another one of the three that I think could be maybe vague, which is the improvement thing. So it's not enough to simply take a product and and uh invent a different way of making it or a different way for it to operate, you have to prove that your way of doing it is an improvement on the previous.

SPEAKER_06 8:39

So, well, improvement subjective. So you don't have to uh prove that it's an improvement. Um, one example I like to give is uh when rollerblade came out with uh the inline skate. Right. Um, before the inline skate, you could typically for skating, you can fall forwards and you fall backwards, but falling to the left or right was not really something you had to worry about. Now with inline skates, now you can fall forwards, backwards, left, and right. Is that an improvement? And it's again it's subjective. Like some would say no, that's worse. That's making skating harder, so that's not improvement. Others would say no, that's an improvement. So they're not looking for an improvement, they're looking for a non-obvious difference.

SPEAKER_11 9:22

Uh and I guess I would leave it at difference because some would not say Yeah, but you can't grind a rail on the old school skate, so you pick it out streaming.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

Anyway, but you know, that me leads me to a question do they ever like it does do you ever go to a trial as a patent lawyer? Do you ever go to trial about anything?

SPEAKER_06 9:40

So we well trials are incredibly rare in patent law. Uh the issue typically is not truth. So the generally for most lawyers, it's you know, who's telling the truth, who's lying. In patent cases, it comes down to when did you invent the product, have you filed for a patent? And there's typically documentation for all of this. Right, right. So uh, you know, truth is is going away even in other areas of law because of technology. Like now, with for example, red light cameras, the a lot of trials are not making it, a lot of cases are not making it to trial because there's no longer a question as to who crossed on red, who crossed on green, and you don't have to ask witnesses. It's all right there. The technology uh uh is gonna eliminate the need to argue that. Now, contracts, for example, what were the meeting of the minds, what were the parties thinking when the contract was being drafted. Previously, all you had was the final contract, and then you'd have to have a lot of testimony and witnesses as to what each party was thinking. Now you have versions of the contract, electronic documentation on how the contract got from its first draft to its ninth draft uh until it's finalized. That addresses a lot of the questions as to what the parties are thinking. So uh I think in general, trial uh uh is is very rare in patent cases. It does happen. Typically, patent cases end up settling well before that standpoint because somebody has just like incredible evidence.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

Now, as a follow-up though, if if perchance by long shot that it does go to trial, what are the chances that there's a jury involved, or do you think it's just a judge?

SPEAKER_06 11:23

Uh oh, it could be both. If there's uh uh cases that are are triable by jury, you can request a jury trial. Uh matters of law, uh you're gonna have that uh typically decided by a judge. Right. Matters of fact, a jury's gonna be.

SPEAKER_02 11:40

Oh, so okay, so it's law uh versus fact. I got you. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. All right. And before I forget, you're not getting out of here without us talking about your rap career. And and also I wanted to make a shout-out just to a uh recent friend of show, uh, this guy on X called We Are Not Going to Mars. I wanted to make sure we we got a shout out to this guy because he is I mentioned him in the last uh that's true, that's true episode. That's true. But I said you've seen him all over X. Yes, yes, and this guy is deep. I mean, I've never seen anybody so deep into explaining what happened to Charlie Kirk. I've this this guy posts literally like pages of of stuff on X about he thinks that Charlie was shot twice. And he says he can prove it. It's very interesting, anyway. Anyway, um, so back to patent stuff. Uh well, do you have any more patent or patent questions, or we should just move on to basic lawyer questions?

SPEAKER_11 12:33

Uh well, I mean, I just wanted to ask about the when you said, you know, if you file a patent, let's say you file a patent in the United States and you have one year you said to file it within those other countries. I don't know why you would choose the other countries unless you were going to manufacture and or sell the product there. But I guess what I'm really asking is when things go awry with international disputes like that, how is that even resolved? What is there an international court? I would assume that the case originates in the country in which the patent was filed. But if somebody in some other country starts is violates that and starts producing a knockoff, what do you what can you do? Who would even be involved in something like that?

SPEAKER_06 13:14

So you can make it gives you the exclusive right to make use or sell the idea covered by the patent within that country. The reason people file internationally is because if you're want the exclusive rights to sell, say in the United States, but you also want to control where it's manufactured. So you could file for the patent in say say China or Japan or anywhere else, and therefore you have better coverage. But if you do have to bring a lawsuit, it would have to be under as as as Dr. Rahm said, the the country of uh uh where the patent's in force.

SPEAKER_11 13:48

All right, you got any more patent questions? No, but I'm sure some will come to mind. But we have, I mean, the rest are going to relate to the video that I sent you and how much we can talk about that or something.

SPEAKER_02 13:59

Well, yeah, we almost I almost forgot. We should finish the question like like say the guy that had the patent on the car that walked that runs on water, and an oil company buys it, and can they just legally just shelve it? Is there any way that somebody else could maybe tweak it a little bit and come back out and repatent it is something I mean, or is that technology just going to be lost forever, or how does that work?

SPEAKER_06 14:20

So well, the good news is patents are and it depends on your perspective if it's good news or not, but patents are not forever. Uh they're good for 20 years from the date of filing. So uh I guess what your question is getting right if somebody has a patent on a car that runs on water, the oil companies don't like it. Yes, they can purchase that patent and they have the exclusive rights to exclude anybody else from making, using, or selling it, uh, but not forever. So they have a 20-year time period where they can maximize their profits. Um but after that, there's nothing they can do to stop others from using that invention once the patent expires. So 20 years is the most you can get on a utility patent, which is the function. The other type is a design patent, and those have you know pretty long life span as well, but not 20. It's a 15 years from the date of filing.

SPEAKER_02 15:13

So clearly it's been at least 15 or 20 years since this guy that ran invented the water, you know, the car that runs on water. So well, first of all, did did that ever happen? I'm uh I'm not aware of yeah. I'm not aware of it. Well, I mean, it's it's supposedly it's kind of an urban myth that somebody back in like the 80s invented a car that would run a and so uh, you know, I I don't know that it ever actually ever happened either.

SPEAKER_11 15:34

We're talking obviously hypothetically, but but if it did the patents, the subject of the video was about you know, uh that there are supposedly, I guess the subject of the video is this, supposedly there are some patents that are inventions rather that are deemed a national security risk or too disruptive or whatever, and those patents are denied. Can you have a patent denied for something like that? Or have you ever heard of such a thing?

SPEAKER_06 15:58

Yes, there are uh the the US Patent Office will not grant a patent that is a threat to national security. So uh like I don't know, say say, you know, we now are it's become normal to have uh your shoes scanned for bombs, right? When at the airport, like the TSA would check that. If somebody files for a patent for a shoe that allows you to bypass, and you could keep uh explosive material inside the heel of your show, your shoe, the patent office is not going to grant that patent because patents, when they're granted, they're also published.

SPEAKER_11 16:40

So how'd the how did the guy who invented a radar detector get a patent? Like, well, I was just gonna have some inventions.

SPEAKER_06 16:47

So the radar detector, so again, so patents are if it's against national security, yeah. That's not national security. That's just the law. It's just stupid laws. So but the law state by state is state by state, exactly. So there's no uh and that's why there's there's there's nothing preventing patents on back when uh it was illegal to grow marijuana um in all 50 states, you still can file for a patent for things that are illegal everywhere as long as it's not seen as a threat to national security.

SPEAKER_02 17:16

Right, like grow lights or something like that, right?

SPEAKER_11 17:18

It's yeah, exactly. That's funny. That's just how the IRS has a place for you to write in uh illegal income, right? You don't have to tell them how you got it. We just want to know the amount so we can tax you accordingly.

SPEAKER_02 17:29

But the obvious obvious question is what kind of person has the thought process? I just invented a shoe that can beat the bomb thing at the let's get take out a patent on it. I should probably register that with my name on it immediately.

SPEAKER_06 17:41

Yeah, I don't know if that's such a great idea.

SPEAKER_02 17:43

And they're published also, so not only dedicates, but I don't know if I can go that route, but uh okay, yeah, interesting. All right, any more patent questions? Uh no, I guess not. All right, first of all, I can't remember the goddamn guy's name. Who's the guy back in like the 60s? He had a he had a show, he was like the coolest lawyer ever. Perry Mason? Thank you. Thank you. God, I couldn't think of that to save my life. But anyway, have you ever you ever watched old Perry Mason shows? If you ever need a Steve Drake, I'm your guy. Paul Drake. Oh, I'm sorry. You're right, you're right, you're right. I'm sorry. I love this Perry Mason. Paul Drake, yes. I've always I I've always said Rom and I both should have been lawyers, but I that's really the role I think I should have been is like not exactly the lawyer, but the guy that kind of sneaks around and does the private eye work and you know, knocks a couple of heads if you need it done. That's that's me. That is that if you ever need that done, I'm your guy.

SPEAKER_11 18:38

I think his dad loved Perry Mason. He used to watch it all the time. Yeah, it's a great show.

SPEAKER_02 18:42

When you know, you look back at like the 60s and the 70s and think of how cool James Bond was. James Bond hadn't have shit on Perry Mason. Perry Mason was cool as hell. I mean, there wasn't a cooler dude in the room when he was there. That was it. He was the coolest guy around. Anyway. So being that we are kind of probably both frustrated lawyers. Do you when you go to law school, uh how do you well let's ask you, like for instance, what made you pick patent law? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 19:12

So my undergrad was in structural engineering. So patent lawyers are they're kind of unique. Okay. Yeah, that's a natural progression.

SPEAKER_04 19:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 19:21

So you start as a structural engineer, and uh I had in uh undergrad in engineering college a professor who was taking doing a study on taking crushed glass so that it doesn't fill up uh landfills, and instead of having it be junk, was using it as aggregate to add to asphalt for highways. Great idea. And and did a study for how it would light up the roads better and uh was it was focusing on and filing patents for it. So that's when I got my first introduction to patent law. Interesting. And uh it it it's just a natural progression when you go to law school. Uh as soon as professors and others find out, oh, you're you're an engineer, and you kind of get uh you know pushed towards patent law as uh the area of law where you would specialize in. To me, it also made the most logical sense because as an engineer, our answers always had decimal places, right? There's like set answers. And then when I first get to law school and everything's gosh, the trial court decided, you know, nine million dollars for the plaintiff, and then appellate court, it goes up there and then it gets reversed, and then nine million dollars flips around to the other side. And all of a sudden, for an engineer, this just drove me nuts because it's it's like incredibly subjective, and uh I gravitated towards areas of law where there was like clear uh precedent and basis, and it's a lot more predictable, and that's why patent law certainly fits the bill for that.

SPEAKER_02 20:59

Now let me ask you this when you're going to law school, do you have to declare like when you're in college, you have to declare like a uh not a major, obviously, but a specialty field at some point in your law school career?

SPEAKER_06 21:11

You don't uh generally if you once you pass the state bar, you're permitted to practice in all areas except there's two other bars that are specialized, and that is the patent bar and the admiralty bar. So if you do have an interest in practicing patent law, you have to pass and take a completely separate bar exam. So in that sense, you kind of have to declare your major, take a different area.

SPEAKER_02 21:35

But otherwise what was the second tenant? Admiralty? Admiralty. What's that?

SPEAKER_06 21:40

So on the sea? Yep. On this on the sea. So injuries on the sea, territorial international water, like all of that shipping related.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

Just to add to your patent knowledge of of the patent. And then let me let me ask you to negotiate with pirates.

SPEAKER_06 21:58

Just a completely different

SPEAKER_02 22:01

Right, but it's kind of related, and you would need that obviously if you're going to do something international or something like that. That's why they make you do it, I would assume. Um, and then also do you have to go to law school or could somebody just go take the bar? So there are uh there are there are uh patent agents who are No, I don't mean specifically for patent, just to be a lawyer.

SPEAKER_06 22:26

Well, I don't I believe California might be the only state. California might be the only state uh in the country where you you don't have to pass you don't have to go to law school, you have to pass the California bar exam. But I'm not aware of any other states that permit that. Every other state you've got to go to uh law school in order to pass the exam.

SPEAKER_02 22:47

And how do they enforce that? Do they the the law schools are the ones that administer the test or something?

SPEAKER_06 22:53

So the well, you still have to be regulated by the bar, you still have to apply to be given a license to practice law.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

So if they see you haven't been to school at all, they're like, get out of here. Right, right.

SPEAKER_06 23:03

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 23:04

Interesting. Interesting. Yeah, because I always thought that. I was like, why why doesn't somebody just study for the bar and become a lawyer and skip the whole but I guess they they want to make you spend the money and and go through the classes. And I'm sure you learned absolutely, you know, imper, you know, imperative stuff that you have to know.

SPEAKER_11 23:21

That you like the theory of in the school of skipping all your classes and just showing up at the end of semester and taking the test, taking the final and passing it.

SPEAKER_06 23:30

Yeah. Well, I mean there's there's private courses that help even if you've gone to law school, you take private review courses that you pass to pass the bar. Uh so even going to law school is not enough. Uh you still take these. So I suppose in California, if you don't haven't gone to law school, you really need to take a good review course. Uh, I would say to pass the report.

SPEAKER_02 23:52

Let me ask you this. In law school, they do they teach you like when I went to real estate school, they got a stupid real estate license. They give you a class, one specific class, on how to take a test. Do they do that in law school as well?

SPEAKER_06 24:06

I they may now. Uh again, I went to law school in 1994. 94 to 97. There really wasn't a interesting any coursework on how to really prepare.

SPEAKER_02 24:17

Yeah, it's cause it's funny too, because I mean they they give you basically prepare you how to take the the real estate test, which is multiple uh, you know, uh multiple guests, you know. Which is funny because I sat through this whole class of how to take a test. And if I guess I just somehow innately knew how to do this because I've always tested well. And just it's this whole class just seemed like this is just obvious stuff. Doesn't everybody know how to take a test? You know, yeah, you you rule out the stuff that's ridiculous and yeah, anyway.

SPEAKER_06 24:46

But uh I mean the the big surprise for me for going from engineering school where uh again.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

Yeah, figures, facts and figures, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 24:54

And and numbers and short answers. In law school, when we took our exams, they had these things called blue books, which is just books of empty paper, and they would ask you a question and it was an open-ended essay. Right. It's concepts.

SPEAKER_02 25:07

Yeah, but concepts, not uh facts. Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Much more subjective, yeah. Now go let's go back to what's something you were talking about earlier, like the uh like for red light cameras. That's uh basically unconstitutional, is it? And let me explain why I think so, because when you're whenever you're accused of a crime, aren't you supposed to be able to uh uh uh uh confront your accuser? How do you confront a camera?

SPEAKER_06 25:33

So you uh you can challenge the camera, challenge if it's been tested, if it's working. Uh but uh yeah, you don't confront in the same sense that you would a a witness.

SPEAKER_02 25:45

So at some point those were deemed unconstitutional for a while, weren't they?

SPEAKER_06 25:49

They have been challenged, uh, but they still they're still around.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

So clearly they're they're yeah, they're getting they're even more with the flock camera and everything now, right? Right. So what are your what is your opinion on like our whole thing? I mean, I I you know I don't know. I don't want to get too much in the weeds on politics and stuff, but but I mean like you do you do you think the government is following the Constitution or or or not?

SPEAKER_06 26:17

So I mean it's it's it's funny. I mean what I can what I can say is I I do a lot of radio interviews typically about intellectual property issues, and an issue that I thought was uh uh of major importance was the fact that uh Donald Trump and his companies are are filing for a bunch of trademarks and for things like 250, which is the 250th anniversary of the country, uh filing. They didn't get 6'7, did they? No. Filing for uh like the the Palm Beach International Airport, the Donald Trump International Airport, and and I'm pitching to these uh radio talk show hosts the importance of uh why these trademarks should not be granted. Like they're they're misdescriptive and the whole bit. I can tell you. Like, listen, there's there's stuff out there about entire civilizations being being destroyed, so we really don't care about it.

SPEAKER_02 27:31

I'm gonna give you one piece of advice before you cut we cut you loose. Definitely make your bit next podcast about that. That'll be your most viewed podcast, I guarantee you. Let's talk about Trump's trademarks. There you go. But we definitely thank uh our and we trust me, as soon as you leave, we're gonna slobber more heaps of praise on the Growth Professor Studio. It's amazing. Anyone that's thinking about starting a podcast, doing a podcast, doing a one-off, this is the place to do it. And uh, I'm sure we're gonna have some promotional material that they'll flash across the stream so everybody can get in touch with us this guy right here and uh take a quick break and then we'll then we'll hit some clips and and phone messages and stuff. We are back, and uh as you just saw, all the information on the Growth Professor Studio. Great place. Uh I I I can't endorse it enough. They've just been great to us. Um speaking of great things, I wanted to wanted to show everybody a little clip I found this week. Uh and I believe we really need to make this guy absolutely go viral, but I gotta find the thing here. Which one is it? Here we go. This is the one right here. Oh no, this isn't it. Hold it. Well, this is good too. This is not the one I was thinking of, but this is actually a good a good clip to show.

SPEAKER_11 28:52

Oh, I already saw this, but yeah, this is classic.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

All right, so let me this is a brilliant idea. Not exactly what I wanted to show, but still a great clip. So here we go.

SPEAKER_00 29:01

City Hall meeting in Brisbee, Arizona, with a new plan for the comedians in town following the closure of their only comedy club in March, after the owner of Chuckleheads killed both himself and his wife's father, not in that order.

SPEAKER_10 29:14

As you probably heard in the scuttle butt at work, my uh estranged best friend of 35 years, the owner of Chuckleheads, did this crazy murder suicide thing, tried to kill his ex-wife, killed her father on her birthday, chuckleheads. Oh, I'm sorry. Affordable housing is not as funny as this. But what it did, it left a gaping hole in the comedy community. I know this is an artist community, but comedy is kind of like the stepchild, excuse the R-word, there, the special needs stepchild of the arts. There's a gaping hole left, the same gaping hole that was in Matt Becker's head when he took his own life in the comedy world. And I tell every up-and-coming comic, hey, get as much stage time as you can. Wherever you can get it, that's how you exceed in comedy. And then I realized, oh shoot, you get three minutes timed every first and third Tuesday. We're turning this into an open mic until you change the rules. There is a comedy show called Kill Tony. It's the biggest comedy thing. They sell out Madison Square Garden where a comic can just get his name pulled out of a hat. He has one minute, and they travel from Los Angeles to Austin to do this Kill Tony show. I implore every comedian on your way from Los Angeles to Austin to stop by every first and third Tuesday. Don't worry, Mr. Budge. They call you a lame duck, but I've never seen you smile more than 28 seconds. I've talked to the next mayor at the farmer's market, and she's all aboard with this. Yes, comics on your way from LA to Austin, Texas. Come by and do Kill Bisbee! Council. If you can make them laugh, God love you. Thank you. Let's have some fun with the council.

SPEAKER_11 31:36

Everything about Stanhope is a class act. I love that guy. Yeah, he's brilliant. One of my favorite comedians for years.

SPEAKER_02 31:42

Absolutely. He and he is brilliant, but not the hero I was looking for. I gotta figure out which one it is.

SPEAKER_11 31:50

Yeah, I had already seen that on YouTube. Uh and I yeah, I watched the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 31:54

Here's the one. Here's the one I was thinking of, though. And we need to find this guy and make him absolutely uh uh viral. God damn it, where's the there it is. This is the guy right here. This is amazing. All right, here we go. This is literally, this woman is if you look up Karen in the dictionary, you you find this woman, and this guy is about to let you know about it right now, as as we say.

SPEAKER_01 32:20

I don't want to have to be the one to say it, but I can't be the only one who's noticed the landscapers eating their lunches in our common areas. I mean, residents use those spaces, and at a certain point, it's just starts to feel like they're just hanging around.

SPEAKER_11 32:35

Oh god, you know, and uh if her complaint have been like they're leaving their trash, you know, maybe something.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

I don't even I don't even hear what the lady's saying. I just look into that guy's face the whole time. Like, what the hell kind of bullshit is this lady's what she's saying and the tone of what she's saying and the and the coup de gras at the end.

SPEAKER_07 32:53

Oh Lord. Well, when she started and she started talking about them and how his eyebrows and just his look just with the look on his face like, what the fuck is this shit?

SPEAKER_02 33:04

What the hell is she talking about?

SPEAKER_11 33:07

Oh, that's awesome. Absolutely awesome. Uh like the Belushi eyebrow. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 33:13

Well, anyway.

SPEAKER_11 33:14

Let's see, we'll go with the oldest one.

SPEAKER_12 33:17

So I I'm hate watching uh this week's Bill Mayer. And uh he seems to be being an apologist for some child uh rapist in from California, something Chavez or something, and apparently they're scrubbing his name off all the schools. He was actually leaning over to being an apologist for everything the way it was looking, but in terms of he's apologizing for uh the Saudi Arabian guy, FLB, FMB, whatever the hell his name is. And uh yeah, it just occurred to me. I mean, you know, I I think maybe he's gonna campaign that this guy should take over Iran. Maybe maybe he found a Muslim he's not afraid of. Interesting.

SPEAKER_11 34:03

Uh yeah. There's no way any Saudi Arabian prince is gonna become the leader of Iran, not unless every single Iranian is gone. Trump Trump's talking about it. Why not?

SPEAKER_02 34:14

Why not you know who knows? Who knows? It's crazy.

SPEAKER_11 34:17

But I just had better luck bringing in a Pakistani, at least they're you know, both Shia.

SPEAKER_02 34:22

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's just that the Bill Mayer is so incredibly uh you know Islamophobic. The fact that he would praise anybody, you know, oh, but the yeah, the Saudis, they're not so bad. I thought that was kind of funny. All right, what else you got?

SPEAKER_12 34:36

All right, this is a breaking bad, better call soul question. If you were dealing with somebody that never seen any of it, would you recommend watching Better Call Saul first? And then Breaking Bad, since that's chronologically kind of how it works. I don't know. Let me know.

SPEAKER_11 34:57

No, I actually I disagree completely. I think you should watch Breaking Bad. I think you should watch it the order in which it was aired. I feel the same way about Star Wars, you know, it's like you don't go back and watch the prequels before you watch, you know, A New Hope. Um, and one of the main reasons why I would say that is because both shows are amazing and in and they're amazing in different ways. Yeah. And if you watch Breaking Bad first, uh it I think it makes you appreciate Better Call Saul even more. And the reason I say that is typically when somebody makes a prequel, you're thinking, well, how can this be like you know, where's the suspense gonna be? I know who's gonna make it and who's not, and yet the show is done so well that they get around that. And you can't appreciate that if you don't watch it in the order in which it was released.

SPEAKER_02 35:42

Not only that, have you ever do you know anybody that watched Better Call Saul and not Breaking Bad? Is that even do you get it? Or is that like no?

SPEAKER_11 35:50

Yeah, I was gonna do that's like there's no way you could make it all the way through Better Call Saul without the burning need to see what happened.

SPEAKER_02 35:56

I think. Yeah, I I I would wonder if it would make any sense. It wouldn't, yeah. Interesting.

SPEAKER_11 36:02

And also, the no spoilers, but the very end of Better Call Saul wouldn't make sense if you hadn't already seen Breaking Bad.

SPEAKER_02 36:10

And then it would also actually be out of chronological order, too. Or something.

SPEAKER_11 36:13

I've always been a huge Bob Odenkirk fan, too. Yeah, yeah. Um even back from the days of Mr. Show when he was he had that show with David. Kids in the Hall.

SPEAKER_02 36:21

Wasn't he a Kids in the Hall too at some time?

SPEAKER_11 36:23

Uh no, he was never in Kids in the Hall.

SPEAKER_02 36:25

I thought he was he was on Saturday Live for a little bit, though, but I think he was only a writer.

SPEAKER_11 36:29

Yeah, and he was a writer too. Uh but he yeah, he's a really funny guy, and it was great to see him, you know. All you know, his character, Saul Goodman, is clearly a funny guy, but there's a lot of drama there too. And then to see him not only get the role in nobody, but to actually execute it the way he did, I was highly impressed. I would have never pegged that guy to be able to pull off an action movie like that, but he did a great job. Yeah, true, true. All right, he had a heart attack and yet still managed to keep homes.

SPEAKER_02 36:59

That's right. I for yeah, I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_11 37:01

Pretty badass. All right, here's the last one.

SPEAKER_12 37:03

All right, so I'm sitting here watching, uh hate watching a uh PvD podcast. I swear the best part of this podcast is watching the ra the reactions of Adam and Vinny trying to follow PvD when he goes off on one of his analogous rants about whatever the hell he's talking about. I mean, literally, he circles here three times around and then comes back a few times the other way here, some pointed.

SPEAKER_10 37:27

It's like, what the fuck is he talking about?

SPEAKER_02 37:31

The best thing, I swear to God, okay, so he's is it is that it was it, yeah. So the best thing, I was actually just watching this today, and this exact thing happened. So he's got Tom, smartest guy by far. Yeah, Vinny, he's got Adam, and then he's talking and he's like, he's going along and he's talking about something, and he goes, Okay, so to explain this, I'm gonna go back here to what I had for breakfast, and we're gonna start there, and we're gonna explain my day. And as I go along and explain things, what am I gonna do? What am I gonna be saying? And then he goes like that, and all three of them say something different.

SPEAKER_11 38:05

And he goes, I know you openly admitted to hate watching it, but I don't know how you do it, man. It's hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 38:13

Yeah, it's hilarious. I love that shit. It's it's especially like Vinny, especially when he's when he's when he's ranting about or doing one of his analogous stories. I wish you'd just keep the the the camera on Vinny because he's just like he's so invested, he's watching, he's paying. And then he asks Vinny a question. He goes, uh, so Vinny, uh, we we went to Iran for and Vinny's like, oil, oil, no, no, nuclear. Every time you ask him a question, he gets it wrong. It's like, why stop asking him?

SPEAKER_11 38:43

Have you ever seen uh there's this guy on YouTube? I've only ever seen these videos are only his shorts. I don't think he has full-length videos, and they're all the same. He he must work at like a car dealership or something, but he'll start the video with a question, and it's always like a geography, geographical like, what is the most populated island in the world? And he'll go around and ask everybody at work, and almost everybody gets them wrong. But the way he says no is so iconic and funny. No, no, I haven't seen that. He does it the same exact way every time. I will find clips of it uh and and send them to Dean. We'll get them edited into the episode here so you can see it. That'll be interesting. But uh, it's just great, great delivery. And the way he does it is so condescending and brutal that when you get the answer right as the viewer, you're so proud of yourself. Like, oh, thank god I didn't get to get a no.

SPEAKER_02 39:35

All right. So I also just before I came, I saw this clip of uh Fetterman. Good God, this guy.

SPEAKER_11 39:42

All right, yeah, he looks like he okay. You know, I'll wait to make my brutal comment, but do you want to say it or shall I? I've seen hostage, old hostage videos from Vietnamese prisoners of war, you know, saying they apologize for their actions that looked like they were in nicer accommodations than this.

SPEAKER_02 40:01

He looks like he's sitting in the jailhouse shitter. Let's just get it right out there. I don't know, I don't know how we could possibly get our studio to look that nice, but maybe we can we put in the maybe we put in the request. But anyway, besides all that the acoustics are amazing. Yeah, besides all that, see if you can tell me what the fuck he's saying. I don't, I mean, let tell me what you think.

SPEAKER_09 40:25

You know, Senator, uh, at the top of the program, you weren't here, but at the top of the program, I played the video of Chuck Schumer, who went to the Senate floor September 10, 2015, and explained why he would vote against the Obama nuclear deal. And he gave all the reasons that you have said, that the president have said, that the deal would ensure that Iran gets a nuclear weapon at the end of the process. And he said, I have to vote no. So what has changed?

SPEAKER_08 40:55

I I think what's true what's changed is that that this is something that the president actually decided to do something about it right now. You know, I don't care whoever the party it is. I I think you know, it's entirely the right thing at this point. We can't walk away from it at this point. Uh, you know, here here we are. Um and now when I come back in this session at the Senate, there's going to be another war powers vote. And I would be, and I've consistently been the only Democrat in the Senate to vote against it. But as we get in closer and closer to 60 days, you know, this is this is a closing window because I don't know. I fear I don't know where the votes will be. There might be enough people, uh you know, perhaps on the Republican side to begin to vote against it at this point. So for me, I think it's entirely important now to hold our grand and to hold Iran.

SPEAKER_02 41:52

What the word salad? What the hell is he even saying? I don't I don't get it. So what's changed? Well, we went in and now we gotta go. Now we gotta stay. It was harder than we thought. Yeah it's like, what the hell? And then what is gotta stand our grand? What the hell is he whatever, yeah. So we gotta stand our ground. He hasn't said any which way that he's gonna vote on this war powers thing. It's like, what a bunch of yeah, how anybody could anyway. I I don't I don't know how these people get elected, truthfully. Anyway, so so I want to play this clip of uh of of the bass player blues here, but I want you to be I want you to load up your your other clip that you uh oh yeah, here we go. All right, I've got it pulled up. Okay, so first we'll play this one and then uh then Rom will play his response.

SPEAKER_11 43:08

All right, so this is uh in the same vein as I think it was our last episode where we had that poor so guy dancing on Soul Train or whatever, and you were like, you know, if you're gonna pick a token, would you pick one that gives a good representation or a bad? This is the same kind of thing as that.

SPEAKER_02 43:23

Right? So play your clip. That's but that's enough of that one. The thing that grabbed me about the original video is as a bass player, I've been faced with that very exact situation many times where I've been playing with a band or sitting in with a band, and you got a guy singing and you got a guy playing the drums. And the two of them are not playing the same thing at the same time. So I have to decide who do I follow? Do I play along with the singer? Do I play along with the drum? I mean, I I feel the pain of that exact musical situation.

SPEAKER_11 44:05

What would have been another good uh cutaway there? Another good edit for that would have been the uh when uh Yoko Ono and Chuck Berry and John Lennon are all together on stage and Yoko starts to sing and Chuck Berry looks at John like, Are you gonna do something about this chick?

SPEAKER_02 44:18

Yeah, yeah, that would have been good.

SPEAKER_11 44:21

You know, hold of your woman because she is ripping my ears apart.

SPEAKER_02 44:25

Oh yeah. Uh this one was pretty good. This one was pretty good.

SPEAKER_11 44:31

He was ready to go Ike Turner on her, man. Telling you.

SPEAKER_02 44:34

Hold on, let me let me load this thing up. This is this is pretty pretty hilarious. This is probably about one of the last ones we do. But anyway, so just before I start this, uh I should warn everybody. I'm telling everybody this is the Pope. Oh my sweet Jesus. This is the Pope.

SPEAKER_05 44:51

My name is Candy Von Sparkle, aka Christopher. Uh my pronouns are he, she, and they. Please join me responsibly in a call to worship. Source of life in the beginning, you made us and called us. When we forget how to love, you remind us to love.

SPEAKER_11 45:14

That's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_05 45:15

When the powers of the world try to oppress us, your name is Sahala.

SPEAKER_11 45:21

When our siblings in faith condemn us, you know, if he really committed, the beard would be dyed too.

SPEAKER_02 45:30

I'm telling you, the Pope is just getting really progressive, man. I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_11 45:34

I mean, to be honest, the outfits are about as flamboyant either way. Like you consider the hat and everything.

SPEAKER_02 45:42

Yeah, really, just a little bit of hair dye and makeup, and they're right in there. Oh, that's hilarious.

SPEAKER_11 45:48

At least if this one sits in front of you in the in the movie theater, you can still see the screen.

SPEAKER_02 45:53

Yeah, good point. All right. Well, I think that's been enough fun for one day. I can't, I don't think I can take any more. You about ready to wrap it up?

SPEAKER_11 46:01

Yeah, I think we've we've covered a lot of nonsense. The first half of our show was very informative and educational and you know, legit almost came across as intelligent. And then, of course, we've totally redeemed ourselves by being buffoons and asses for the rest of the show.

SPEAKER_02 46:15

And by the way, don't think John is getting away without he's going to be back on the show to do some rap for us.

SPEAKER_07 46:21

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_11 46:23

I was so happy for him that he was he managed to somehow switch the subject and get out of there and escape your curiosity.

SPEAKER_02 46:30

Oh, I well, he wanted he wanted to do it. That one time he was here. He started to try to do it. I was like, wait, wait, wait till we're on the show. Wait, he tried to show me in the hallway. I was like, no, no, no. You gotta wait till we're on the podcast. I I can't can't judge your rap career by it. Anyway, all right, so 904-549-9024. Give us a call, leave a comment. Especially uh Mr. We're not going to Mars. By the way, I was actually looking at his page and I was a little shocked of would you believe that that we're not going to Mars is a is a man of color?

SPEAKER_11 47:02

Oh, yeah, no. I watched uh a couple of his. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 47:05

I looked, I was like, oh yeah, he's a he's we got a brother. Yeah, we got a smart brother. Yeah, but he's uh he definitely could call and leave us a message if he wants, and uh or anybody else.

SPEAKER_11 47:15

Yeah, we'd love to love to hear from him. Yeah, comment, like, share, subscribe. Most importantly, subscribe, you know. As I said last time, you can always take it back.

SPEAKER_04 47:23

Exactly.

SPEAKER_11 47:25

All right, guys, we'll see you next time. Thanks, guys.