Summer House Season 10 Episode 15 Recap: Hug it out

We break down the latest Summer House updates from the week including the West and RHONJ housewife hookup and that Kyle's DJ-ing might not be such a crazy career move after all.

In the episode Kyle and Carl have a fight and then hug it out, Amanda and West also hug it out in a very intimate way, Kyle realizes Amanda might be done with him, Ciara, West and Jesse hang out like it's 2023, KJ and Mia discuss the holidays, Lindsay has a camel toe, Amanda is a scary snowball and Ciara hosts an Aprés Ski party.

Hosted by married duo Liz and Pat, Let Me Catch You Up is a reality TV recap podcast breaking down season 10 of Bravo’s Summer House.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:05

Welcome to Let Me Catch You Up, the podcast where I explain reality TV to my husband.

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And I ask a lot of questions.

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I'm Liz, a longtime Bravo watcher who's been following Summer House for years.

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And I'm Pat, a casual observer who's been in the room, sometimes paying attention.

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Each week we're recapping the latest episode of Summer House, breaking down the drama, the relationships, and everything you might have missed. Whether you've watched every episode or you're just trying to keep up. We're here to catch you up. Let's get into it. Okay. How are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 0:40

A lot going on.

SPEAKER_00 0:41

Yeah. So this week there was a lot more discourse and the cast was busy. It's hard to keep up.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

Yeah. Sorry. I'm thinking of West uh being busy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

Like getting busy.

SPEAKER_01 0:54

Yeah, that's that's where my head was at. Yeah. Yeah, lots of stuff going on.

SPEAKER_00 0:58

I have a long list of things. I don't think we can touch on everything, but a couple different updates from the week. So this feels like like a month ago, but I think at the beg like middle of last week, right after last week's episode aired, Lindsay was featured in this reality vulture article about different reality stars. So her, Kyle, and Carl appeared at the event, and Kyle ended up DJing, and they all looked great, and it looked like it was kind of like Lindsay on one side of Kyle, Carl on the other, and they were kind of like, oh, the family's back together. In general, they've been doing a lot of press like over the last week also for In the City, but it seems like Carl and Lindsay are also getting along better and being friendlier, especially based on Carl's comments in the first few minutes of Watch What Happens Live tonight. So that's nice. They are the like three original cast mates.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Yeah, it seemed like when Lindsay was on Watch What Happens Live, like she was still kind of like poking at him and stuff like that, but it seemed like it was pretty much just like in good fun.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

So yeah. And then a couple big things for Sierra this week. So it's been announced that she's gonna be hosting the Love Island USA After Sun show. So like co-hosting an after show for Love Island. She was also in an old Navy ad that Paris Hilton and Rob Rausch were also in. So I've been seeing a couple different cuts of that ad. Her reunion look dropped. So everybody's reunion looks dropped today. I saw that, but hers dropped a couple days early as well. So we saw that a little bit earlier in the week. She looks amazing as usual. Yeah, and one of the big things this past week was this woman, Jen Fessler, a former real housewife of New Jersey cast member. She was being interviewed on some red carpet or something, and she was like strangely going like hard for West. Like I actually saw the clip later of the interview, and she was kind of like, Oh, we love Sierra, but you know, he's just a puppy dog. Like, I don't really think he did anything wrong, like all this weird stuff. And then somebody posted like on threads, you know, it's weird how she's kind of like defending West here. And Sierra commented, Yeah, because he slept with her too.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

So when I saw the actual clip, I thought the clip was like on its own weird at worst, but like wouldn't have thought anything like crazy about it. But like all the drama that ensued after like Sierra's comment is wild.

SPEAKER_00 3:41

Yeah, because then uh Jen was like, oh, haha, flattering that anyone would think West would want to sleep with me. And then even West, he was like at a wedding this weekend and he posted that um meme of the woman in front of like all the math formulas, kind of like trying to make sense, like yeah, like interesting news to me or whatever. But all the Bravo diehards kind of went to work and pulled up all this footage where prior, like West was asked to watch what happens live, like the oldest woman he's hooked up with, and he said, like a woman in her 50s, and then and like some of the details kind of matched with her, and then she also had like previously said like West was her her hall pass, or that had been discussed.

SPEAKER_01 4:26

And then husband even said something like it's okay, I don't care if you sleep with West.

SPEAKER_00 4:31

No, she said something like happy anniversary. I would stay with you even if you slept with Amanda or West.

SPEAKER_01 4:38

Yeah. Which was that after the West and Amanda that stuff came out, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 4:43

Yeah, I think it that was more recent. It's pretty bizarre. But I also saw I saw a clip from Daisy from Below Deck Sailing Yacht on her podcast from 2025. I was doing with her co-host discussing West, and they were kind of like, Oh, do I get the appeal or not get the appeal? And then the guy, the co-host, said, Oh, yeah, I know a housewife has slept with him. And he was like, I'm not gonna say who, but it's an East Coast one. And then Daisy's like, Okay, so it's in the New Jersey cast because you know all of them. And he was kind of like, I'm not saying anything. So there's a lot of evidence pointing that it's true, and then Jen was like, Oh, you know, actually it's kind of messed up that you would say this thing that's not true, and she was kind of like posting on her Instagram, like, I could take legal action against this libel, and then Sierra just like doubled down on her posts and was like, Don't fuck with me, basically.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

Yeah, it's wild. I mean, when I first saw the clip, my thought was, Why go out of your way to defend this person and you know, like just kind of stay out of it and stuff like that, but then it spiraled into something that's way more interesting than just that. So it's not just a hot take.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

I'm guessing Sierra has the receipts, the fact that she's like going so hard. And then there was like a bunch of clips of like West with his like arm around her at BravoCon and stuff. So there's a lot, you know, where there's smoke, there's fire.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:16

Can't believe anything West says at this point.

SPEAKER_01 6:18

So no, definitely don't believe West. And I do believe Sierra, like I I don't think she's going out of her way to just post random fabricated things. Yeah. So uh pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

So yeah, that was that was some juicy drama. Um, and then they had like NBC Upfronts this week. So there's a couple of like things yesterday or today coming up where like Bravo confirmed Summerhouse season 11 is gonna happen. So we will have Summer House again. We weren't sure if the show was gonna survive, but it seems it will continue.

SPEAKER_01 6:53

So yeah, I'm actually kind of surprised.

SPEAKER_00 6:56

I was getting convinced that it was not coming back, but I'm not so surprised that Summerhouse is coming back. I think because of all this interest, they're gonna at least try to milk it for another season.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

True. Yeah, I think we all want to see single Kyle next season. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:12

So it was interesting. He was on the Trading Secrets podcast, and one of the things he said was as they were filming this season, I think in his head he thought it might be his last season of Summerhouse because of the in the city was supposed to be kind of like their transition to you know, we're a couple, maybe we'll have kids soon, etc. etc. So now that he's like single, the way he was talking about it made me assume he's wants to come back for another season of Summer House. Got it. If he can. A couple other things. So I mentioned all the reunion looks drop. Everybody looks pretty good. Uh, I think Sierra's the best dress, obviously. Um I don't know. Did you look at any of their looks?

SPEAKER_01 7:52

I did. Um, I don't know. I'm not very fashion observant, so nothing stuck out to me.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

But uh we can always talk about it more when the the reunion actually airs.

SPEAKER_01 8:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:02

I thought I really liked Lindsay's look too, also Dara and Mia's looks as far as the girls. They were who I was really paying attention to.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

Yeah, I'm looking now. Yeah, Lindsay looks good. Carl looks kind of dorky, but he always does.

SPEAKER_00 8:14

Yeah, I as far as the guys, I like Jesse's suit. It was very classic. And KJ's suit is cool too. It's a little bit like oversized and more of a like fashion statement. Kyle is like going a little more casual. He didn't go the suit look this time.

SPEAKER_01 8:31

Didn't recognize Bailey at first. She looks different.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

Nothing else of note for me.

SPEAKER_00 8:36

Okay. Only other thing I had was that so I listened to the Trading Secrets podcast today that Kyle was on. Uh, and it was just interesting because he went into more depth of what was really going on like financially with Loverboy and everything. And he talked about how so at the like peak they had about like 30 employees, but with alcohol distribution, it's really hard because you can't go like direct to consumer except for wine, like that's the only category that lets you kind of like ship direct to consumer. You have to go through a distributor or a wholesaler for all other types of alcohol. And so the brand got really popular quickly, but then it's like they don't have the manpower and the operations to kind of like support maybe some of the demand. So it's interesting. They are now at like three employees. What I found was the most interesting. So he said the reason he put 500 grand of his own money in was because they were kind of at a point where they needed to spend money to be able to continue to operate and they were gonna go under otherwise. So then he said, basically, this year in real time, like in March, right as this before the scandal broke, he was in the same exact position where he was like, We're out of cash. I either need to put my own money into this or we're gonna go bankrupt. So he's trying to decide what to do. And then the scandal broke, and that was the same like week that the episode aired, where he has like the conversation with Carl on his birthday about Loverboy, you know, having financial troubles, and they got a like outpouring of people like being interested in buying merch and pre-ordering drinks and things. So he was basically saying that saved Loverboy for now.

SPEAKER_01 10:24

Yeah, we we kind of like hypothesized that was going on, but it's interesting to hear him say, like, you know, the actual facts behind it.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:32

It's pretty wild.

SPEAKER_00 10:33

Um it is, and then he was also saying, you know, we you know, he talked about this loan, this business loan that he's taken out that he's personally liable for, and it was about a four million dollar loan, but they s still owe like 2.8 million in principle or something. So he said that the loan payment is fifty-five grand a month, like the minimum payment. And then he's like, you know, with taxes and everything, like I'm I basically have to make a hundred thousand dollars a month to cover my loan payment because he's paying a high, you know, he's in a high tax bracket. So, you know, he's people will say, Oh, well, he has the show, he has influencing. Does he really need to do this whole DJ thing? Uh maybe he was right. Like, that was my takeaway.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

Like early on, we kind of talked about like how does this get structured? Like, how much money do they make? Like, what do we what do we think they actually like take home after, you know, from just doing the show? Like, do they really need to do all these like side hustle kind of things? And at least for him, when you know, when you're in that much debt, like yeah, you you you need a lot of side hustles.

SPEAKER_00 11:45

So right. And I think on the show they really positioned this whole like Kyle being a DJ thing off the conversation that like Amanda talks about wanting to do something career-wise and wanting to start a bathing suit line, maybe, and then for some reason Kyle made that conversation about him, and it's like, well, I want to do something for me, I want to be a DJ. So the way that it was introduced to us as the audience was always kind of like him being competitive with Amanda and not like really listening to what she needs and and saying he wants to do his thing, and then it's always been positioned as, well, now he's like never home, and you know, she wants him to not go out as much, and all of that. But I think it is really relevant that he's like, Well, I'm doing everything and anything I can to generate cash flow, and this is a good way to do it, and it also pairs well with continuing to push Loverboy into the clubs that he's going and DJing at.

SPEAKER_01 12:45

So yeah. Yeah, it and there's a lot to get into in the episode itself. Um I just like I I catch myself too easily getting back to like hit his defense of like, oh, like this does all make sense, because like there's a lot of shitty stuff that he does, and like yeah, it's it's not an excuse to like be like, oh, look, he does need a DJ, so he needs the money, so it's okay that he's going out drinking until six o'clock in the morning and staying at random people's apartments. Like he he's done a lot of questionable things. We don't know everything for sure, but um taking a step back, like like maybe you know, some of us were too critical about like DJing as being so ridiculous of a a thing to like try to pursue.

SPEAKER_00 13:29

So yeah, yeah. I think he has had a lot of bad behavior and uh questionable choices, but not all of it has been completely uh wrong. Yeah. It's layered, yeah. I think he was unfairly getting a little bit too much heat from the cast about DJing. Right. Like somebody I saw someone online was like, they're acting like him DJing is like a drug habit or something.

SPEAKER_01 13:58

It's like an intervention, and and he's like, guys, like this is just something I want to do. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

I think it's more about, you know, is he using it as a way to like stay out late and not come home and whatever. But then, you know, in this episode he talks about how pretty sure Amanda doesn't want him there anyway, so that might have something to do with it too. Right. Yeah. Oh, I do have a confession to make.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:25

I was one of the people that pre-ordered some lover boy a couple weeks ago.

SPEAKER_01 14:35

Um so how does that work? Like so they can't ship it to you though, right?

SPEAKER_00 14:40

They're um espresso martini and spritz product are technically made with a wine product, like a wine alcohol, even though he's like it tastes like vodka. Maybe it's kind of like almost like a sake or something, but but so technically the alcohol product in those two drinks is a wine. So they're able to through that loophole ship those two products direct to consumer. Okay. So I bought like a pack of the espresso martini and the spritz. I also purchased a summer should be fun hoodie that I'm now waiting on as well.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

Did you get me one?

SPEAKER_00 15:18

Oh, I should have. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 15:19

We could have matched.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

Um you might still be able to get one, but the lead time is a little bit long. So we'll see when we actually get this thing.

SPEAKER_01 15:29

That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 15:30

It was also interesting because he was saying one of the things about Loverboy is like it uses, you know, it's low sugar and it uses really like clean ingredients.

SPEAKER_01 15:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

Um, so the whole thing is like it's not gonna give you as bad of a hangover and stuff and be healthier, but I feel like that message got lost along the way. Like I didn't realize that was like part of the the brand.

SPEAKER_01 15:53

Yeah, I mean, I feel like something's missing with the marketing because like we watch this show every week and I I know so little about the actual drink, but um but yeah, espresso martini, I would I would try that. Uh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:04

So I think my advice to him, since I have no experience in this industry, based on what he said, he should focus on the things that could go direct to consumer for now, I think.

SPEAKER_01 16:14

Yeah, true.

SPEAKER_00 16:15

But yeah, so those were my takeaways outside of this week's episode. Should we dive into it? I have a lot to talk about. This is an intense episode.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

Seriously.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

It was it was like riveting. It was also hard to like keep up with everything that was happening because they kept doing the like split screen views and when they were having like the fight, everybody's yelling over everybody.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

So and I know you like to like pause it and kind of take notes and stuff. And there's a lot of dialogue. There's a lot to take in.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

Yeah. But yeah, so the this week's episode Full House, why?

SPEAKER_01 16:50

Okay, so there. I don't know. Was everybody there? Yeah, so it's yeah, no Levi was Levi there. She was. Okay. So everybody was there.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

Yeah, so we are here to talk about Summer House season 10, episode 15, titled Full House. Levi was in fact there.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

She oh, she was sitting next to Kyle. How could I forget? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:11

Yeah. Um, remember her vagina was out?

SPEAKER_01 17:15

Yeah. Yeah. She actually had a good episode.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

Uh so the episode picks up right where we left off with the Carl and Kyle fight. It's Saturday, August 30th at 10.09 p.m. Carl had kind of tried to calm Kyle down, but him jumping in just like escalated Kyle even more. And so, like, we see him following Kyle outside and being like, What did I do? Like, why are you yelling at me? And Kyle's, he talks about how I mean they have this like back and forth. I'm not gonna like be able to quote everything, but some of the takeaways, Kyle's like, you bitched and whined all summer. Um, and Carl's like, All I did was support you, and he was like, But thanks for your lack of support for me, you loser. And then Kyle's like, Carl, fuck off, you fucking six foot five motherfucker. You use height to your advantage. Because I think Carl was like standing over him.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

He definitely did not want to actually fight him.

SPEAKER_00 18:13

I thought it was funny. I'm like, this is the first time I've heard somebody like use how tall someone is as a uh like dig. Right. Uh all the guys are like holding him back, and he's like, you know, what the fuck's wrong with you? And like kind of like, hold me back, hold me back. Where it's like, I don't really think Kyle, I don't really think Carl would actually fight Kyle. I think he likes having the guys there to like hold him back.

SPEAKER_01 18:39

I still confused because there was like blood at some point. Somebody must have just gotten like scratched a little bit or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 18:45

It could have been totally unrelated to the fight. Yeah, had a bloody nose earlier.

SPEAKER_01 18:49

Right.

SPEAKER_00 18:49

Uh, and so all the guys like go out. I did notice it seemed like Wes was like the last one to go outside. Like they show him like looking back at like the table of girls. Like, do I have to go outside?

SPEAKER_01 19:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:02

Uh, and I, you know, eventually Amanda comes out, and I feel like Wes and Amanda kind of keep like sidebarring, like during the fight. Like, at some point, they're like look at each other, and then another point Wes comes up and like whispers something in her ear. It's like really weird.

SPEAKER_01 19:21

We also didn't really hit on last episode about how West pulled up his chair next to her. They they have some odd behavior kind of throughout this whole night.

SPEAKER_00 19:31

Yeah, because after Kyle like calms down a little bit more and they go inside, there is a scene with Amanda and West. They hug, Amanda starts crying, but she's also like, you know, you pulling up your chair next to me. Like that really like meant a lot. And she's like, Thank you, I love you. Yeah, that was you know, strange behavior from two people that, as far as we know, are not hooking up yet, supposedly.

SPEAKER_01 20:01

Supposedly, I I still I go back and forth. I it feels like it if I had to guess, this feels like the start of it. Like some something's about to go down, if it hasn't already, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 20:13

So finally Manna goes out there and she's like trying to quiet Kyle down, and he's like going on and on, like, I put more money into my business. That's why I didn't put money in your business, Carl. Um, and she's kind of just like, you know, stop. She's trying to put her hand over his mouth. Uh at one point, Carl starts like walking back outside, and like Amanda's yelling at Kyle to shut up, and Kyle says, Stop being a vagisel. There were some really good nuggets from this fight.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

Is this the point where Kyle says, Yeah, like sorry, I forgot about his brother. I forgot about my dad's birthday last week.

SPEAKER_00 20:54

That's what I was referring to as other good nuggets. Uh, because West, of course, is like West and Jesse are talking to Kyle, and he's like, I'm hurt by all the shit I heard that Carl's talking about me, which is funny because like the fight, like the whole blow-up started because of Lindsay being like Amanda's mouthpiece, going on and on about how Kyle's not being a good partner to her. And then it turns into him like fighting with Carl. Um, and he's like, I forgot Carl is more fragile than a China doll. And Wes is like, well, you know, he's also upset about you know the whole thing with his brother, and that's when Kyle is like, I mean, well, I forgot my dad's birthday last week.

SPEAKER_01 21:39

Like, like in my defense, I also forgot my dad's birthday last week, like digging himself deeper.

SPEAKER_00 21:45

Yeah, and and this is where Wes is like, you know, you got riled up by Lindsay, not Amanda. And Kyle's like, Okay, but it really felt like Lindsay was saying some stuff that Amanda probably said to her. And Wes is like Amanda didn't say anything.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

Yeah. Wes is very defensive of Amanda, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:05

Yeah. So that was a little weird. And even if Amanda didn't like directly put Lindsay up to this conversation because we didn't see anything. I mean, she's been telling Sierra certain things. The whole group kind of had a talk in the car about on the way to the beach last week about them maybe separating. So Lindsay probably brought it up off the back of that conversation, but I think Kyle's in the right to be like, it's kind of messed up that she's sitting there with this smug look on her face, like she's happy they're bringing all these things up. He should never say F you to her. Absolutely not. No. But I understood why he felt completely like unfairly attacked.

SPEAKER_01 22:47

Yeah. I think the general theme with Kyle is like you can understand why he would be upset, but you also can't excuse his reactions to being upset.

SPEAKER_00 22:56

Yeah. His behavior is still very bad. Let me be clear. Him like throwing this tantrum and running outside and blowing up.

SPEAKER_01 23:04

He describes it as like, I'm looking over at Amanda. He's expecting some sort of like support, and instead she has this like goofy smile, like basically also like ganging up on him, but like in silence. So like in his mind, it's like he felt betrayed by like the one person that's supposed to stick up for him. And then her explanation of it was I just stayed quiet because everything that you said was true and I agreed with. So it's like okay, these these two are not meant to be together.

unknown 23:34

Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:35

Yeah, because throughout this kind of whole fallout of after the initial fight, Lindsay and Amanda talk, and Lindsay's like, Oh, I feel bad for instigating, and Amanda's like, Don't feel bad, you're not wrong in anything you said. Uh and then I have a note Chef Frank is still there. I feel like they should have given him a uh honorary confessional.

SPEAKER_01 23:58

Yeah. That would have been great.

SPEAKER_00 24:01

Yeah, and like Carl is ch talking with other people about how he's frustrated with Kyle, and you know, he thinks Kyle might be throwing away his relationship for the DJing thing. And, you know, they're kind of like, oh Carl, don't go back inside. But I think the fight's over, like it's fine. Um, and we see okay, so there's a bunch of like different conversations, and Lindsay starts talking with Kyle. She's like, I wasn't trying to rattle you. We were all thrown, no one knew about the Vegas residency. And Kyle's like, it's not a residency, I'm just signing with the management.

SPEAKER_01 24:39

No, it wasn't, it was this is my favorite part. It was Ben that said it. Ben, like out of nowhere, like you don't even realize he's there. And Ben's like, actually, and it's just like the dinner thing. It's like, actually, it's not a residency. This is just about management. It's like, thanks, Ben, for clarifying that. Anyway, Kyle.

SPEAKER_00 24:58

Yeah. So, so yeah, then it's Kyle, Lindsay, and Ben have a conversation, and this is where Kyle kind of breaks down more, and we kind of understand a little bit more like what he's actually feeling. And he talk tells Lindsay about his conversation with Sierra on the beach about Amanda being open to like separating. And Kyle starts crying and talking about how he feels attacked and that he gets blamed for everything. Um, and then he says, like, sorry, I'm a fucking mess, which is just funny because of the whole Carl's a mess thing that Kyle started after the scandal. So Kyle is really the mess. And Lindsay's like, Okay, I get it, but stop saying fuck you to your wife. And Kyle's like, I feel like she deserted me. Um, and then Lindsay's like, well, maybe she feels you know deserted by you with your DJing and stuff. And then this is where Kyle goes, Well, no sex for seven years and no attention and no friendship and no partnership will probably wear someone down.

SPEAKER_01 25:58

Which again, the seven-year thing, how long have they been they've been married for seven years, right?

SPEAKER_00 26:03

No, so the beginning of this season, Amanda said they'd been married for four years. They've been off and on since beginning of the show, but they weren't like they weren't like dating exclusively or anything at first, but yes.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

Yeah. So hopefully it's an exaggeration, because I would I would hope at some point in their marriage that they've had sex, but yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 26:26

It's weird because when uh Jesse said it, was it last episode? He was like, Oh, I heard this rumor from Carl, the rumor male.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

So it's been years.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

Yeah, I was like, Oh, that like maybe it's like been uh two years or uh something where he's like years, but if it's uh seven years, how did they even end up married?

SPEAKER_01 26:48

Right. Who knows? Yeah. But again, I I am kind of starting to and I'm very cautious of using these words, but like get his side of of some of these things.

SPEAKER_00 26:59

Um yeah, yeah, it's very interesting thinking about where we started this season in and like frustrations with Kyle to like now.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:15

Um okay, so this is where like we see the start of kind of like throughout this episode, Sierra West and Jesse are kind of like oh like buddy buddy and hanging out like all episode, and they're like, Oh, this is so 2023, and Sierra's like, You're so back to West. And randomly there's a watermelon on the front porch. I don't know if you noticed it.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Saw the watermelon, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:42

And the like they show more scenes of like people on the front porch, and um at one point Sierra like goes inside and Jesse's like, I'll watch the watermelon. But there's the um, you know, it just made me think because there's the famous part of um I don't know if it's season one or two where one of the twins slams down the watermelon because she's pissed at Carl and smashes it in the house. So it's like, oh no, what's gonna happen? But nothing nothing dramatic happened with the watermelon.

SPEAKER_01 28:21

In that scene, uh there's this this kind of like theme that I'm I'm noticing with West's reactions to either Sierra or other people talking about Sierra and West's like relationship, and like he's uncomfortable with it being viewed as kind of like more than a friendship and stuff. So like when she said, Oh, like we're so back, he kind of like made a weird facial expression and stuff like that. Just he he looks visibly uncomfortable anytime anybody says like, ooh, like what if you guys became a thing and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

So yeah. Right, but then he still acts like he's into it.

SPEAKER_01 28:59

Right. I think a big part of the reason that like why Sierra let her guard down was like the flirting.

SPEAKER_00 29:05

She's right when she kind of realized like how much she missed his friendship and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

Right. So I think that's pretty unfair to be like, oh, I was flirting with you because I wanted to be friends with you again. I didn't actually want to have a relationship with you. Like it's uh just a lot of mixed messages and stuff, and I I think it's again just leading her on.

SPEAKER_00 29:27

Um okay, so we do get a little bit of like Amanda's perspective. Like Lindsay recaps the conversation she had with Kyle, and Amanda's like, Yeah, I told Sierra he wouldn't go for us separating. And then we see Amanda's confessional saying, Sierra will say out loud what I'm thinking internally a lot of the times. And she's you know, talked to just talking about how she's definitely considered separating, breaking up, divorcing, all the things. And she's like him saying F you and being nasty to me makes me feel stupid. Why am I like still here in this relationship? But then like later we'll see her chatting with Sierra and Mia. But before that, Kyle is like talking about how he like needs to apologize to Carl immediately. So I was glad, like I was glad that they were like both immediately like, whoa, that was crazy. We need to make up.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

Carl could have been rightfully upset for longer, but yeah, he was pretty pretty quick to uh to forgive. So yeah, it's good on him.

SPEAKER_00 30:29

So then so Kyle and Carl have a conversation, and Kyle's like, we're gonna squash this right now. And they're both like immediately like, I love you, I'm sorry, and Kyle's like, I'm sorry, and Kyle starts crying, and Carl's like, I'm I'm sorry, I made it worse. Uh and Kyle's like, I feel like you needed to get it out though, and they start laughing. Um, so that it was it was actually pretty it was a pretty funny like scene with them kind of both being like, I don't know what happened.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

Yeah, they like high-fived and hugged like a hundred times and stuff. I did think it was interesting, because probably like the most significant dialogue. I I don't know. There was a few things that they said, but one of my takeaways was Carl being like, Look, I really don't give a shit about the investment thing. Like that got blown out of proportion, like I don't care about that. Because I think that's something that I think Jesse's kind of like instigate. I yeah, maybe Jesse feels like cool that he invested or whatever, so he's kind of like holding this thing over Kyle's. I I don't know what that dynamic is, but he's brought it up multiple times, and then it's in front of other people, and and in private, like he was like, Oh, like the email thing. So I don't know what he's getting at, but I think Kyle that's kind of been boiling up, and he's like, Like, why is this investment thing such a big deal? And then their fight, he was like shouting about it and stuff like that. So I think it was good that Carl kind of said, like, I just want you to know, like, I really don't care about that, like we can move past that.

SPEAKER_00 32:00

So Yeah. Um, and then Kyle talks about, I don't really know how I got so mad at you, because they're both like, I don't even remember like what I said. Uh and he's like, I s I was taking bullets and Amanda was eating it up. That's why I said F you. I can't remember the last time she stood up for me. And Carl's like, I understand it feels like you're being attacked, but like, ish did she know you were going to like the Vegas thing? And he's like, Yes, she knows. And he's like, Was she upset by it? And Kyle, like, I thought this whole conversation was super interesting and was like interesting to see a little more like of Kyle's perspective because he's like, She she's not upset. Like, I think she loves it when I leave. I think she can't stand me. And Carl's like, That's really sad. Then he kind of shares about the conversation with Sierra about potentially separating. And Carl's like, Wow, that's really heavy. I didn't realize you were going through that. Kyle says, Sorry, I've been a mess all summer. Um, and Carl's like, I'm sorry, I didn't want to make it worse. And then this is when they talk about Kyle's like, Yeah, in the fight, I don't really remember what I said or what you said. I was like, just don't fucking dent my car. Carl's like, yeah, I remember being close to your car and thinking, Oh, he's gonna be really mad if I scratch his car. And then so they squash it and they come and they like tell the house, like, we're good, and everyone's like, Cool, cool, cool. Jesse's like, Great, now you gotta apologize to Amanda. And Kyle's like, uh, do I have to?

SPEAKER_01 33:28

Yeah, his face, like the pause and like the face and everything. He's like, Oh man, shit, like I thought I was like done, like I gotta go talk to her now. Like, you you did say fuck you to your wife.

SPEAKER_00 33:39

Yeah, and so Amanda has been in bed, like chatting with Mia and Sierra, and she's like, you know, Sierra and Mia are kind of like, This is totally unacceptable. Um, that he would like talk to you like that. And Amanda's like, if if I put myself, if I like take myself out of the situation and imagine like my friend being in the same position, I would be like, You're insane that you're putting up with this, kind of like these aren't the exact words, but kind of paraphrasing. Then it was like super awkward because Kyle, Kyle comes in and starts to kind of like, he's like, Can I talk to you or whatever to Amanda? And then they just start talking with Mia and Sierra right there.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

She doesn't offer to like, hey, let's go talk or anything like that.

SPEAKER_00 34:28

Yeah. So fair, like she's upset, and maybe she doesn't, maybe she's not ready to talk yet. And maybe she should have just said, I'm not ready to talk yet.

SPEAKER_01 34:37

Yeah. She eventually said that, but yeah, she she could have led that. And in his defense, he didn't want to go in there in the first place. Like, yeah. Maybe it wasn't maybe he wasn't ready for that yet either. True. You know? So like, but they were like, You gotta go talk to her, and he's like, Okay, like now I look like an asshole if I don't go in there because everybody's saying you need to apologize to her. So it was a forced I think he knew that he needed to apologize at some point, but it was a forced apology in that moment.

SPEAKER_00 35:04

Yeah. I felt like he should have just waited until she was not in the room with the three of with her two friends.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

Um or he could have just said, like, look, I I know we need to talk, like I don't mean on a point. When you're ready, let me know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:18

Right. I think that would have been a better way to handle it. But he like jumps in and he's like, you know, I was excited to tell you about like the Vegas thing, and it got so misunderstood. But you let everyone attack me and you had this smug look on your face. And I'm sorry for saying what I said. I was actually really excited and wanted to sign, you know, whatever the contract with you or whatever. And Amanda's like, it's not even about the DJ stuff. And then Kyle's like, Okay, well, I don't know what it's about anymore. And that's when Amanda says, I think I just need some time. And so Kyle like kind of walks out and he's like, It's been a long time since I felt like we were on the same team. It wears me down, it hurts. So Kyle leaves, and then Amanda to like me and Sierra, she's like, Where was the apology? And you know, he did have an apology in there, but it kind of led with I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 36:07

Yeah, but he yeah, he it's the I'm sorry, but apology again.

SPEAKER_00 36:11

Yeah, yeah. I think I think probably everybody is also in the house is feeling like he owes them a an apology because of the way that he like exploded and blew up.

SPEAKER_01 36:23

Right.

SPEAKER_00 36:23

So I'm sure both Mia and Sierra are also kind of just like, not right now, Kyle.

SPEAKER_01 36:29

Yeah, but they were making facial expressions too. So it was like he could tell that he was not, I mean, it looks we could tell that he was not welcome in there.

SPEAKER_00 36:38

So Right. So yeah, it was a little bit weird. I kind of like see Kyle's perspective of like he was trying to start a conversation, but it was like not the right time. He should have just waited.

SPEAKER_01 36:50

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_00 36:51

So then okay, so this was interesting because Kyle again, he's I is this when he was like in his closet talking to himself?

SPEAKER_01 37:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:01

Uh he's like, I think she roots for anybody against me. I don't think she wants a single thing to do with me, and I think she's too scared to get out of it because she can't do anything herself. That's what I'm starting to think. Which was I feel like that's the closest we've gotten to like Kyle kind of airing his side of it a little bit more.

SPEAKER_01 37:24

Yeah, that that moment stuck out for me. I was like, okay, he and I and I do think he genuinely it's like the couples therapy thing where it's like he's he's not a he's not a perfect person by any stretch of the imagination. But the one thing that I I will say for him is I do think he's hopeful, and it clicked for him like she's too scared to tell me that she wants a divorce, but she does.

SPEAKER_00 37:51

Yeah, she's too scared to get out of it.

SPEAKER_01 37:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:54

And can't do anything. Like, if she gets out of it, does that mean she's not on reality TV? Or if she gets out of it, like, is it just because it's like something hard and she doesn't do hard things? Like, I don't know. But that's interesting. It does him thing, like she can't do anything for herself or whatever. I don't know if that's true, but some of that kind of does track with the behavior we've seen over the last few months.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 38:24

Okay. And then everybody's like getting ready to go out still. And Carl is in the kitchen, he's handling the watermelon now. Um and Kyle's gonna go out, which is a little bit weird after everything that's transpired. Um, and Amanda walks in and Kyle's like, You want to come out?

SPEAKER_01 38:45

Yeah. She just like walks right past him into the closet and he's like, Are you coming out?

SPEAKER_00 38:52

Yeah. She's like, What? You're gonna go out? You don't want to say anything? And he's like, Well, I tried to talk to you upstairs. Um, and Amanda's like, Well, you were talking about yourself. Like, I think what she's saying is like, because he was like, Oh, well, I was excited to tell you about like my thing and whatever. Um, and then gives more of a like extended apology. You know, he's sorry for what he said for saying F you for ruining the night. And Amanda's like, That's not what you should be sorry for. And then Kyle's like, Well, I'm sorry for losing my shit, but I've been at my breaking point all summer long. And then Amanda's like, and I haven't been, but you know, you can't express yourself unless you're screaming, and he's like, That's not true. I don't know, like Kyle shouldn't explode, but he also does have conversations with her too that are like not just him exploding, like we see him trying to talk to her about things, so who knows?

SPEAKER_01 39:47

Yeah, they're just kind of like talking past each other, and he's not a very good apologizer, um, but like he does list out all the things that he's sorry for, and it's like never enough, and then she's like, you just make it about yourself, and then she talks about herself like immediately after. So it's like they're just both kind of like hypocritical, overly judgmental, and it's just they don't they don't ever have a productive conversation, let alone fight.

SPEAKER_00 40:17

Yeah, it was it's like they're so broken, it's kind of pointless.

SPEAKER_01 40:22

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

Uh so yeah, it was a little bit of a choice that he decided to go out. I think it was kind of like he was still mad at her, so he's kind of just like, screw it, I'm going out.

unknown 40:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:34

I think it's like the damage is done there, but you know, I just at least I just saved my friendship with Carl. Let's go celebrate that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 40:42

Yeah. Uh okay, so everybody goes out, and then at 1 35 a.m., Kyle, Ben, and Carl get back. And I noted that the door to the summer house is broken again, finally. So it feels like real summer house now that the door is actually having issues. And then so Carl and Ben go to bed, and then at like 2 06 a.m., Sierra, KJ, Mia, Dara, Levi, and Bailey get back, and Kyle is just like standing in the kitchen in his underwear and a t-shirt.

SPEAKER_01 41:16

Sierra cracks up, but like they don't explain it or talk about it or anything, they just move on to the next scene. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:21

Yeah. That was probably the best like scene of the episode.

unknown 41:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:26

Well, so um Kyle, Ben, and Carl, they came since they came back earlier and everything. Um, Kyle said something about like, oh, I was gonna come just you know, Uber home by myself, but like I appreciate you guys like tagging along with me or something like that. So I I don't know what that was supposed to mean. Like it was his version of coming home for Amanda, coming home at 1 30.

SPEAKER_00 41:49

Yeah, so he was saying, like, oh, I was just gonna come back myself, but thanks for leaving early with me too. Um like 20 minutes early. Yeah, he like says, Oh yeah, sorry, Amanda, like as soon as I got out, I was like, I shouldn't be here, and I decided to like come home. But I mean everybody was going out at like midnight, and then he gets back at 1 35. So it's not like he walked into the bar and turned around and left.

SPEAKER_01 42:22

Like yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 42:24

He's like, Oh I I stayed for an hour and then was like, yeah, I shouldn't be here.

SPEAKER_01 42:30

Yeah, that's good behavior for Kyle. Is like sure I only went out for like an hour and a half.

SPEAKER_00 42:37

He left 30 minutes before everyone else, so he's turning over a new leaf.

SPEAKER_01 42:42

Yeah, baby stops.

SPEAKER_00 42:44

Uh and then everybody's like well, not everybody, but Jesse Wessier, Kyle are all doing their late night snacking in the kitchen. And we get an interesting exchange because Jesse's asked Kyle where he's planning on sleeping. Like, is he you know, is he gonna sleep in the same room with Amanda? And he's like, in my stirring the punch. Yeah, yeah. And Kyle's like, Where are you trying to sleep? And Jesse's like, next to West. And then Kyle goes, Imagine if Jesse was like, yo, I was trying to sleep with your wife, and then the camera like pans on West. He's like smiling. He doesn't like react at all, he doesn't laugh, like which normally I feel like he would immediately be like, uh, like good one or whatever. Uh and Jesse's like, yeah, I would never say that. Um, but those super suspicious behavior.

SPEAKER_01 43:41

Yeah. Cause like, I don't know. It's it's not like it's like a hilarious joke that like you have to laugh at, like, you can't not find it funny, but like it's either funny or awkward. Like you you should react in some way, I feel like. I it's a little bit strange that he just like is just like deadpan. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 43:59

Mm-hmm. And then the other interesting part of this like Jess West Sierra, Jesse West Sierra hangout, they all kind of are like going up to bed at the same time. And then they're like in West and Jesse's room, and Jesse's like, oh, want to sleep over? And he's like, You can sleep in West's bed. Wes can sleep in my bed with me. And Wes is like, what? And Sierra's like reiterates what Jesse said. Um, and Wes is like, who's following that rule? Not me, like joking, like, I would sleep in bed with you if you slept in here. And then he's like, prank, prank, prank, prank, prank. Like, I'm joking. So, to your point of him, like, on the one hand, acting weird, anybody's like, Oh, you guys are seeming chummy, and then acting like he's interested in her. Yeah. As more than a friend.

SPEAKER_01 44:55

Right. I don't I don't know how to read it. I don't I don't know what's going on anymore.

unknown 45:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:02

Okay. Well, so I guess it's Labor Day weekend. So um it's a three-day weekend, so I guess that's why they arrived on Saturday last episode. And so everybody wakes up on Sunday, August 31st, and we find out they're gonna have a party. Oh, West does have a good quote. He says, Imagine being a snake. So yeah. A little foreshadowing there. Yeah, I had a couple notes from Jesse and West's conversation. Like they joke, like I think West says, like, did anything happen last night? Like joking. And Jesse's like, Well, I enjoyed all of like us hanging out again, like him, Wes, Sierra. Uh, and it was interesting because Jesse kind of also brings up sorry if he like made it uncomfortable earlier in the summer asking about like the makeout with Sierra, but the point of note I had was that West in this conversation goes, I wonder how Amanda's doing randomly, like more in reference to the fight. Um, so then that's when they talk about you know the separation comment. Because I think was it maybe West asks that, or I don't know who asked that. Um, but they have this conversation, and it was interesting because West says, I think space would be fantastic for both of them. And then Jesse's like, Yeah, but you know, them separating would be like a step toward them breaking up, like it's not gonna like save the relationship.

SPEAKER_01 46:36

Yeah, and he's talking about like in the context of like, oh, like that would be a sad thing for them to break up and stuff, and West is defin definitely is not verbalizing that kind of same sentiment. So who knows?

SPEAKER_00 46:49

Yeah, so then we learn that it's gonna be the last party of the summer, it's gonna be an opera ski dream party hosted by Sierra, and she's like, There's you know, this is gonna be an awesome party, there's a lot of work to do. So we learned there's gonna be like ice luges, igloos, there was like a fake ski slope that they put the cardboard cutouts on. I also noticed there was like a wooden sauna in the yard, like one of those ones that looks like a big round barrel.

SPEAKER_01 47:17

Oh, the barrel kind. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:19

Yeah. Um, Sabrina also shows up to be there, and she's like all over Jesse and Sierra when she comes in giving them hugs and stuff. This is random, but I've noticed she keeps showing up, like her outfits, she keeps showing up in to the summer house in the middle of summer. She's like wearing boots. It's very odd choice. Very random, but odd choice. Um, so while they're setting up, KJ and Mia have a nice heart to heart, and they're like, Oh, how are you feeling about summer almost being over? And KJ's a little bit nervous, um, because he's I think just because he's been loving the connections that he's made over the summer and he's like, you know, how everything's gonna change once the summer ends. But then it was interesting. Him and Mia talk about like hanging out over the holidays, which was really cute and sounds fun. I'm like, I wanna like can we get like um cameras? Well, can we get an invite, but also can we get cameras picked back up for this? Like, I want to see this spin-off.

SPEAKER_01 48:21

Like the KJ Mia Sierra holiday special.

SPEAKER_00 48:25

Yeah. Yeah. Um, and then yeah, Mia. Yeah, yeah. And Mia talks about how grateful she was this summer, like to have an opportunity to kind of step out of her regular life and like feel and grieve and things. Um, but this reminds me one thing that I didn't mention that I saw today on social media. KJ posted a picture, and apparently his mom and Mia's sister were friends in college, and there's a picture of like KJ as a little baby with her m with his mom and Mia's sister. So I don't think they realized that the way that like it was posted, Mia like commented on it, but I'm assuming that when they first met they didn't realize that like they had this connection.

SPEAKER_01 49:15

Interesting. Which is like a small world kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 49:18

I think so. Uh made me curious, like, what is the age difference between Mia's sister and her? And then because I think Mia's like eight eight-ish years or so older than KJ. So I mean, if you know, if they were in college and they were like you know, 19 or 20 or something, then that wouldn't be that huge of an age or like 12-year age difference for Mia or something. But I just want to know more. Yeah, it was cool though. It was really cool.

SPEAKER_01 49:44

Hopefully they'll cover it in the holiday special.

SPEAKER_00 49:47

Yeah. Oh, okay. So then another interesting conversation, Lindsay, West, and Jesse are chatting, and Lindsay was like, Oh, like how about when me when Sierra said you're the person she loves the most, like at the Lost and Found dinner. Um, and then we get this like really weird conversation, like confessional from West. Yeah. But I don't really know. Like it's at this point it's getting to be really obvious what he's doing, and it's really disgusting.

SPEAKER_01 50:24

I agree, but he in a way it's also kind of consistent with what he's doing on the sh on the show. Like it's hard to marry up the two, but like I I I don't know. I can't and don't want to get inside of his head, but um it feels like even in real time on the show that he does not want to be in a at least serious relationship with Sierra. And I I think he doesn't want to be enemies with her, and he wants to be viewed as like a good guy, so like that was ruining his you know perception that he felt like people were giving him, so like he felt like he needed to squash the beef and all that, but like I other than the flirting, which again is like a selfish thing to do with an ex-girlfriend that you are should not be leading on, um, especially when she's like so sensitive to that and everything. But I don't I don't get the sense that he actually wants to be in a relationship with her, um, just because he's like so weirded out by everybody giving them the attention. I I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 51:31

So I can't believe this made me think of something also that I saw that I forgot to mention online. So they also today, as a part of like the NBC upfronts, showed like a quick clip of the reunion, and there's a conversation. It's like Kyle, Sierra, Ben, Lindsay, Carl, I think, like all huddled. And Kyle's like, I really want to focus on West's ease of lying. We know that he's been in a relationship like that he had a full-blown exclusive relationship since February of 2025. We have the receipts. So this whole season that's being aired right now took place over summer 2025. The girl that he was like in this exclusive relationship with, I guess, was the one that makes the like horsehair ties. Um so I know everything that he's doing with Sierra or not with Sierra, he's also in an exclusive relationship with somebody else right now. Or at least he's told somebody else they're in an exclusive relationship.

SPEAKER_01 52:43

Shit. Okay, so calculating. Um of course. So then he he would be he's flirting with her because he's a dick and he's like, you know, flirtatious and leading people on and stuff like that. But then when it's verbalized and people are like, Oh, like maybe you guys will be a thing, he's like, Well, no, no, like I can't say that I have a girlfriend, but I should also say that I don't want Sierra to be my girlfriend, so he's like trying to like manage all these different things.

SPEAKER_00 53:14

So he can't why can't he say that he has a girlfriend just because he wants to be interested in him?

SPEAKER_01 53:20

Could maybe because that's better for his status on the show. Yeah, I don't know. That's crazy, and that so that's not the same girl that he made out with, right?

SPEAKER_00 53:30

No, also like that doesn't look good either.

SPEAKER_01 53:34

None of it looks good, no, but yeah, okay, crazy.

SPEAKER_00 53:39

It just adds to this whole dynamic of him acting one way with Sierra and then in his confessional being like, Oh, you know, I'm just like a little boy, I don't know, it's a lot to process. Oh, poor me, woe is me. Like, get out of here. Yeah, if he like pulls this whole like, oh, it's just too much to process thing, like one more time. I think I'm gonna scream.

SPEAKER_01 54:07

Yeah, yeah. No, that that's good context. That definitely I think that definitely explains a lot.

SPEAKER_00 54:13

Yeah. Uh okay, so the party does start. Everybody like gets ready. It's interesting because like everybody looks like I feel like for the most part, everybody went the like hot ski bunny route for the party, which side note it's like a great party theme for the summer that's like different because it's like winter, but everyone can still wear bathing suits, so you're not like too hot. So and everybody's like looks hot, like pretty smart. However, somehow um Amanda decided to go a different route. I had like a moment of horror when she's like doing her makeup and they show her like she had like white lips, yeah, or something. Like it's so creepy.

SPEAKER_01 55:05

Yeah, it's a strange choice, but I I I don't know. It's easy to pile on now, knowing what we know, but um I I know like her and Sierra and everything, like a lot of times they go for like the goofy costumes when everybody else is doing like something else. True.

SPEAKER_00 55:20

But I mean really It was weird. Sierra goes for the goofy costumes. So is Amanda trying to just like uh be Sierra?

SPEAKER_01 55:30

Right.

SPEAKER_00 55:31

I don't know. She's like I don't know trying to do her shtick. I it's like I don't know if does Amanda have her own identity? Like I don't think she does because when when um Paige was still in the house, I feel like she was really like to you know adjacent to Paige in the bed, whatever. Yeah. Now Sierra is like going out more, so Amanda's going out more. I don't know. It could be totally unrelated, but no, I think I think that's a valid point. I don't think she I mean, maybe this is why she's in such a mess. I don't really think she knows who she is.

SPEAKER_01 56:10

Yeah. She probably needs time away from the show.

SPEAKER_00 56:14

Yeah. Maybe she'll get that.

SPEAKER_01 56:16

She probably will. Although it would you imagine if her and West came on the show next year.

SPEAKER_00 56:25

I don't think they would. I don't think they both will, at least. I don't think they'll both be asked back. Uh all right, so we just get like the start of the party, but uh Sierra kicks off the party, she's like, it's the last party of the summer, but don't get too drunk. We're going out tonight. Uh a couple other things like Matt and Katie show up again, the like Amanda's friends, but they're also on in the city, or at least Katie is, and then Andrea and Lexi also show up, and they're also on in the city, so it's like, you know, they're continuing to soft soft launch.

SPEAKER_01 56:59

Yeah. So now it's a medium launch. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:02

Yeah. Um, okay, so then like the episode just wraps up with them going back and forth. One, a conversation with Dara and West, and then another conversation with Jesse and Sierra. And Dara is like, oh, maybe, you know, who knows? Maybe one day you and Sierra will kind of end up together when you're ready. And West looks very skeptical when she's saying that. And and then Jesse and Sierra are having a conversation and kind of like debriefing the summer. And Jesse's like, the summer felt good, except when you were mad at me. Um, so he's like, you know, that was my low point. My high point was you and Wes making up and us kind of being back as a three musketeers thing. Um, but then Jesse does ask, you know, have you and West had a conversation about just being friends? Kind of like the conversation you had with me when I was like, oh, I might like you. And Sarah's like, no, we haven't. Uh I thought it was funny that Jesse was like, is it because you because you haven't had the conversation or because you like being flirty, like you want it be more than friends? And she's like, more the latter, like it's fun being flirty. And she's she said she's seen him make some changes, but she's scared. Um, and like, are we actually gonna be friends, or are we just gonna be friends like in the summer house? And then is he gonna like disappear after filming? Yeah. And that's where it ends. Yeah, but yeah, I thought it was a good I mean, I thought I liked that in this case Jesse was stirring the pot and asking that question.

SPEAKER_01 58:44

Yeah. In this moment, I I thought that was actually a really good, like a well-timed uh question to ask and everything. So And it was interesting, like the like the uh juxtaposition of that conversation and then the West conversation, because it's like Sierra's like hopeful, like, I don't know, maybe it could be something. And Wes is like, uh no, I don't think it will be something.

SPEAKER_00 59:08

Yeah, it just kind of drives home the point that he's playing her again immediately.

SPEAKER_01 59:14

Yeah, yep.

SPEAKER_00 59:15

Okay, so we do see some scenes this week, it's not a to-be continued. So the party continues. We get a sit-down with Carl and Lindsay chatting about uh their breakup and it's whatever Lindsay's been holding on to from that time, and then we see that Wes and Sierra kiss. So again, Wes can go F himself for all he wants to say about him not being interested in Sierra, but then making out with her, right? Or at least kissing her. And then we do see that Amanda and Kyle seem to have a heart-to-heart, and she says something like something is fundamentally wrong and needs to change. Um that's where the scenes end. Uh, so do you want to get into superlatives since we've been talking for way too long already?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:09

Yeah, so I think it's your turn first.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:12

Okay. So my red flag, um, there's a lot, but the one I picked was Kyle saying they haven't had sex for seven years, yeah, but they have only been married for four. Like, who gets married? Like, if you're not if you're already like not having sex when you get married, like why are you getting married?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:37

Yeah, I'm curious about the literal translation of that timeline. I want to know more about that from yeah, same. Because that's not okay, yeah, it's not okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:48

I mean, Kyle having a big tantrum and blowing up is also a red flag, but this is just the one that I picked.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:55

Yeah. Uh I'm gonna say the hug and thank you for pulling your chair up and defending me, and I love you, and that whole exchange when like nobody else is around or looking and stuff like that, it just felt felt a little bit too intimate and on the nose.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:15

Yeah, they've been acting really shady.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:18

There's okay, so even if they have a friendship, it seem to me, it has crossed the line from a platonic relationship to something more in the like way that they act. Even if they're not physically hooking up at this point, the way that I am just reading their body language in the situation, that's my opinion. But I think they're having some sort of emotional affair already.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:48

Yeah. Yeah, they just it's everything about it just feels more than friendship every time they kind of like interact with each other.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:55

So Yeah, it's it's not at least it's not how I act with friends of the opposite sex.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:03

But yeah. Everybody's different. I don't know. Yeah. But yeah, it just feels a little too much.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:09

Okay. MVP. This was hard.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:13

Yeah. I have like four that I wrote down.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:16

Same. This was too hard, but I'm gonna go Carl as my MVP because you know, him and Kyle had the fight, but he was able to quickly like calm down and apologize. And I I liked the moments with him and Kyle and him like learning more about what Kyle's really going through. And they had some funny moments, they had some touching moments, and I felt like it was just an important part of the storyline.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:48

No, I agree. I I think the arc of Carl in this episode of like uh being like aggressive and like fighting and stuff like that, and then like being able to squash it and move on and and everything I thought. Um you see a lot of like his character kind of like come through in that episode.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:05

So yeah. Seemed like as even though Kyle and him have had their challenges this summer, they're definitely still like there for each other and real friends. So it was nice to kind of see that um them coming back together in the scene where they made up who was your MVP.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:25

Um, I don't want to pick Kyle. I feel like that's just too ridiculous. Um, so I'm gonna I thought about it as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:36

Yeah, not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:37

I will say the the show was entertaining tonight because of Kyle. Um, so he deserves a shout out for that at least. Um I'm gonna uh this I don't know, just for very small snippets or whatever, but I'm going KJ. Um I liked I liked the little conversation with Mia like by the by the side of the pool and stuff like that, and like summer's winding down and uh he's starting to get kind of like emotional and nostalgic about you know these times that they've had together and stuff like that. So um I don't know. I don't have to have a reason. I picked KJ.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:16

Yeah, uh that reminds me, I think there was a like right after the fight, a conversation with Carl and KJ, and it sounded like I don't know if at some point KJ was like getting in the mix, like holding him back or yelling at Kyle or something, because they kind of like talked about that. I wanted to see more of that. Um I we didn't I didn't have time to like rewind to go back to the fight to see if like they actually showed what he was talking about. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:45

Um yeah, I don't know. There uh like Bailey had had some funny moments like with the I don't know, it was kind of corny and and stuff, but like she was like, Oh, like I didn't hate when Carl was you know getting all aggressive and stuff, but um and then Sierra started Sierra's probably gonna get it next week from both of us, so I I saved her. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:04

Uh Bailey had a good moment too when Lindsay was like, Um, can you see my camel toe? And Billy's like, Yes, I could see your whole vagina. I could draw it.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:15

Yeah, it's good.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:17

Okay, and then sandwich rating. Um, this was hard. I think I'm going 4.25 sandwiches. Like really strong first half of the episode with the fight and that a lot of like interesting conversations and getting insights into how Kyle's really feeling and his side of the story and stuff. Um, and then there was a lot of like other little like interesting scenes with Jesse and West and Sierra, but yeah, giving it 4.25 sandwiches. I wanted to give it like I was like, oh, maybe this will be a five sandwich episode for me, kind of with the fight and everything, but yeah, we were looking forward to that moment for a while. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:57

Yeah, I I was kind of torn too. I feel like maybe I went too low. I I said four. I thought it was a good episode and it's kind of like it cooled off like pretty quickly, so like the drama seemed and I think you kind of predicted that earlier in the season where it's like they are hyping this fight up to be like this big, you know, um kind of apex of the season and everything, and like maybe it'll just end up being nothing. And it it kind of was that like it was an interesting fight, um, but it didn't last very long. But no, I thought it was a good episode. Next week's looks like it it should be pretty good with the continuation of the party and stuff like that. And I'm anxious to see that um Carl and Lindsay conversation, so should we go? Yeah. Uh really we just want to see the reunion. We just gotta skip skip forward to that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:46

All right.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:47

On to the next one. Yeah. All right. See ya.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:50

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