Let Me Catch You Up: Summer House Recap & Reality TV Humor
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Let Me Catch You Up: Summer House Recap & Reality TV Humor
Summer House Season 10 - Reunion Part 1 Recap: Flaccid Apologies
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In Part 1 of the Summer House Season 10 reunion Amanda and West still think it's about the timeline, Amanda quickly shows her true colors, Ciara keeps it 100, West continues to shit the bed, Bailey goes in on Ben, Lindsay and Mia are good friends to Ciara, KJ opens up about his mental health struggles and Carl's a mess.
We also briefly touch on In The City Episode 2 where we are shocked by the state of Kyle and Amanda's apartment.
Hosted by married duo Liz and Pat, Let Me Catch You Up is a reality TV recap podcast breaking down season 10 of Bravo’s Summer House.
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Welcome to Let Me Catch You Up, the podcast where I explain reality TV to my husband.
SPEAKER_01And I ask a lot of questions.
SPEAKER_00I'm Liz, a longtime Bravo watcher who's been following Summer House for years.
SPEAKER_01And I'm Pat, a casual observer who's been in the room, sometimes paying attention.
SPEAKER_00Each week we're recapping the latest episode of Summer House, breaking down the drama, the relationships, and everything you might have missed. Whether you've watched every episode or you're just trying to keep up. We're here to catch you up. Let's get into it. Alright, well, we are back to chat about part one of the Summer House Season 10 reunion. How are you doing? Have you recovered yet?
SPEAKER_01No, I don't even know where to start. It was all over the place. Just like how intense it was and just like the nastiness of it all. I mean, it's it lived up to the hype and it's not over yet. So it was crazy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah. So we watched last night when it aired. So it's Wednesday, one day after. I feel like I don't even know the word. It I agree. It was riveting. It was shocking. There were things that weren't surprising. There were many things that were surprising.
SPEAKER_01It also felt kind of surreal. Like it just. I don't know. Like seeing the two of them together hand in hand. Like we saw the previews and like the leaked audio and all that stuff, but like it's sinking in more and more. And it's like, what what the hell are we watching? I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, very surreal. Sinking in more crazy to action like we've been anticipating this since March 31st, when the statement dropped and the rumors were confirmed. And somehow it still exceeded what I could expect it to be. Like it was really good. I think craziest best reunion episode I've seen.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I feel like like it's not the same, but like thinking about Scandaval. I don't know if you like watched any of the reunion episodes and stuff, but it was intense, but a lot of it was just like them yelling at Tom and Raquel. And I don't know, this felt much more like Sierra did a really good job about like getting all the points out, and a lot of the other like Kyle and Lindsay and Mia also. Like I mean the whole cast, Carl had some really good points too.
SPEAKER_01I think everybody came prepared. Yes. I think everybody kind of had their strategy that they kind of wanted to go about. Like Sierra seemed like she was like she had some things like locked and loaded that she wanted to get out there and she did a good job getting it across.
SPEAKER_00Everyone was prepared. Well, I don't know about West and Amanda. They seemed to really think coming in, like they're gonna clarify the timeline, they're gonna clear up rumors. It's like, guys, that's that's not what this is about. Like, how have you lost the plot so much that you think like if we clear up that it wasn't me hooking up with him before Kyle and I broke up, then this craziness will die down. Like, no.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, they didn't make any convincing argument or anything. In fact, I think they dug their hole deeper.
SPEAKER_00Yes, exactly. They they look even worse coming out of this.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah, I agree though. I I think they came in with a very poor plan and they wrote this out ahead of time. It's a lie. Like they're like they think they wrote out a lie ahead of time, and they said, if we stick to this lie, everything will be fine. Yeah. I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Okay, well, I don't know what the right format is for covering the reunion, but I have a couple of different takeaways at the beginning, and then I just wanted to touch on a bunch of different conversations and points throughout and moments throughout the reunion. So we might jump around a little bit.
SPEAKER_01Just want to make sure that we a lot enough time for going over the dick pics because I don't want to gloss over that. I think that's a good one. Okay, good.
SPEAKER_00I have a section on it.
SPEAKER_01We're on the same page.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Uh so we did already kind of preview their reunion looks. So I don't have too much to say, just a couple little notes. So, like Sierra, Mia, Lindsay, they all look amazing. All the I mean, all the girls look great. I don't love Bailey's dress, but she looks beautiful. And Levi's dress is like a little too homecoming-ish for me, but again, I love her glam. Um, again, Amanda looks very pretty, but what is up with her hair? You might not notice that as a guy, but yeah, no comment. An odd choice.
SPEAKER_01The only thing about Amanda's outfit that I found interesting was just the comment. I think it was Andy that was like butter yellow.
SPEAKER_00No, Lindsay was like, Oh, Amanda, you look nice. I like the butter yellow.
SPEAKER_01Oh, is that a that's a thing? Butter yellow?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Okay. That's all. That's all I have. Um, I th I thought Billy looked good. I uh what what was wrong with the dress or what was off about it? I don't know.
SPEAKER_00There's nothing off about it. It's just not my style, I guess.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I don't know. But I thought everybody looked good. I don't I don't know.
SPEAKER_00She looks good. I'm not saying she doesn't. No, yeah. Uh Kyle's doing business casual, I guess. That was my comment. He looks good, but a little more casual. He wanted to be comfortable for the day.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And then my last comment on the looks Wes is wearing high heels. I don't know if he noticed.
SPEAKER_01I did they actually have heels on them? I I I did notice that he had some weird shoes on, but I don't know that's as far as I wanted to.
SPEAKER_00They show him sitting and you can see his shoes. There's some sort of boot, but the heel is it's at least like an inch, inch and a half heel.
SPEAKER_01Like just trying to look taller.
SPEAKER_00Maybe. Yeah. Probably. Interesting. Yeah. Um, I really loved how it felt like everybody in the cast besides West and Amanda were united. And I I liked how they showed them kind of like all arriving and kind of like them getting ready and stuff and what they were chatting about.
SPEAKER_01Um they never normally do that, right? Like that's it usually just goes into like the reunion.
SPEAKER_00They will show it, just depends. Sometimes they will show them a little bit like getting ready and stuff, but I feel like there was more than usual this episode. I loved how they started it, where they showed just like how the reunion trailer started. Uh Lindsay's doing her confessionals for In the City, and Kyle walks in and he's like, Look at your phone. And then like Jesse immediately calls Lindsay, and then Mia calls Kyle, and then they're like three-weighing in Carl. Uh, and like they're all huddling. And Mia's like, yeah, minimum, second week of January, they were together, which they touch on at the reunion when Sierra says she was first suspicious, and Kyle's like, Yeah, there's blinds going back to June 2025. I I know we'll talk more about it as we get into like the different topics and conversations, but do they think we're dumb?
SPEAKER_01I think so.
SPEAKER_00Like they've said so many different stories and lies at this point, they can't keep them straight. But luckily the internet has receipts, so yeah.
SPEAKER_01I had one other takeaway from that phone call. I'm still leaning towards believing everything that Jesse is saying, but like even on that phone call, he like went out of his way to his like, this is the first I'm hearing this confirmed officially.
SPEAKER_00Like, like I feel like Yeah, I think he's just saying it because he was like, I highly suspected it at this point, but this is the first I'm actually seeing it confirmed. Right. Because it continued to deny, deny, deny to him.
SPEAKER_01I think the most likely scenario is that he's self-aware enough to realize that people would suspect that like he's close with West and that he knows something. So I think he's just like getting out ahead of it and saying, like, I I didn't know anything. Like, this is they lied to me. This is news to me, also. Um he was very adamant about like making that point known. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So yeah. Kyle is also like, I consider myself pretty close to West. You know, I've met his family, we traveled together, but I thought it was a helpful reminder that I don't think they're like always hanging out together every day, like they are close, not just hanging out because of the show, like they've hung out outside of just filming.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So messed up, not just from a Sierra Amanda perspective, but also Kyle considered West a good friend. Right. Not not saying anything new here, but uh okay, so when they arrive and they show like Amanda and then West in their little dressing room together, are they high? Like Amanda seemed way too like chill, disassociated. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's very possible.
SPEAKER_00West is like, oh, I feel zen. What?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I don't know. They just seem so out of touch with reality, whether it's their high or they're just like so removed and they've been like secluded.
SPEAKER_00And so when KJ was on Watch What Happens Live and read the text that Wes sent him after the reunion, he said something like, Oh, I think I lost track a little bit of the hurt because I've been off of social media. So I guess maybe part of the reason they seem so out of it is because they literally aren't like following the public kind of in casts like takes and discourse on things.
SPEAKER_01But which is probably good for for them.
SPEAKER_00I mean if if you care about their mental health and well-being at all, if you're probably good for their mental health, but they probably should have at least had like a agent or manager or somebody help like summarize right. Somebody filtering through all the BS be like how in general, you it looks like how do you not understand they think it's about the timeline and not about the fact that they've like really hurt their friends? Right. Yeah. How is that hard to understand? Okay, but then yes, we see the guys kind of chatting and then talking about West's dick pics that are going around.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I love Kyle's comment the most. Like, how many dick pics do you have to have out there circulating for it to get back to me, of all people?
SPEAKER_00Like uh my first thought is why would you have a flaccid dick pic on your phone?
SPEAKER_01Right. All the guys' reactions were like, it's not even hard.
SPEAKER_00I don't know. Wes says later uh his you know his account got hacked, and that's why okay, hacked, quote unquote. Even that if that is the case, I still don't understand why you would have a flaccid pick on your phone of yourself. Only reason I could think is for medical reasons.
SPEAKER_01Like you have to send something to a doctor.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I the way he phrased it too, like they everybody else had dick pics, but when West came in there, he's like whispering to Amanda basically, like, there's there's nudes of me. Like it's like I've never I've never heard a guy call a dick pic a nude.
SPEAKER_00Um do you think he was acting? Do you think he like pretended to find out on stage that his nudes had leaked?
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_00How does Kyle like are are they really that off of their phones that I guess do they really not have any real friends that no one had like told you till now? If like Jesse and Kyle had no like what?
SPEAKER_01Maybe that's it. Maybe he just doesn't have any friends anymore, so like nobody's giving him a heads up. But like for West to be finding out after all those people.
SPEAKER_00I thought that seemed unbelievable. I was wondering if this was just another manipulation to oh, if maybe they'll air this and then it'll look like I'm the you know, I got hacked, I had no idea.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00Like I didn't send these out. I would not put that past him at all.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it seemed fake. It seemed like he was acting. So I I agree. But I I think what I'm finding out is that he's fake, he's a liar, he's an actor, but he's also dumb. So like the rationale doesn't always make sense. It's like, well, what would he have to gain by doing this because he's so stupid he doesn't realize like this is not going to help me? So I think I think I'm starting to figure him out a little bit.
SPEAKER_00There's gonna be a college course on this one day.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's fascinating.
SPEAKER_00Uh so they also show Andy asking Wes and Amanda, like, oh, how do you think it's gonna go today? And Wes says, Well, there's nothing new that can be told. The truth is already out there. What? What truth is already out there?
SPEAKER_01It seems like they're actually not on the same page because I mean that comment doesn't make any sense because they're like their strategy is to unveil the real truth. Right.
SPEAKER_00And he's like, But the truth is already out there.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And also the new things that are going to be told should be you like owning how much you screwed up and apologizing to all these people. And instead, Amanda's like, Yeah, it's just gonna be shutting down rumors. And Andy also asks Amanda, How are you feeling about seeing Sierra? And she's like, There's a lot of guilt. That's my friend, and it kills me that I'm the one that caused her pain. This is complete bullshit. She doesn't care about Sierra as a friend, and she proves it immediately. She starts scoffing, rolling her eyes. She says, Fuck off to Sierra, like five seconds into the the conversation. They can't they're constantly telling on themselves this whole time. Right. Um, okay, did you have any other takeaways from them like before they get on stage?
SPEAKER_01The I thought the part when Sierra apologized to Kyle and said, I'm really sorry, I didn't realize how like bottom out you were, and like I should have been picking up on that stuff more, I should have been a better friend. I thought that was so big of her. She's dealing with all her own shit. She doesn't need to apologize to anybody, but I just think she's a uh a really good and genuine friend to go out of her way to say that to Kyle. I thought that was really nice.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I agree. She's a class act, and it is really kind of her to be thinking about like it was interesting, like obviously watching those last two episodes would have been hard for both of them based on all of the things that unfolded. But yeah, I I thought that was a nice moment between them. Yeah. And I like their pep talk going into it, which they showed they showed parts of in the trailer.
SPEAKER_01But just one more thing on the dick pics. Um Okay. So I also thought it was funny because Amanda made some sort of awkward comment where she was like, Oh, I don't have any dick pics from you on my and then she like leans over to like look at it and is like laughing and basically brush it off like a joke and stuff like that. But I was like, Aren't you uncomfortable? Like, how are you not picking up on like this is not like a normal joke? I I don't know. That's it. We could move on.
SPEAKER_00There's no explanation. Um, when they're like doing their, you know, Andy's doing his kind of like quick check-ins with everybody. And this is when Amanda's like, I'm a I'm prepared to own up to what I've done, apologize to Kyle and Sierra. And Sierra's like, I'm glad she could say our name. And Amanda's like, What? How dare her? Like, Sierra's like, dude, you couldn't even say our names in your fake ass statement. So um, like, this is nothing. And the second Amanda gets an inch of pushback, she becomes the victim.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that was my takeaway, like very early on when Amanda realized that people were not going to expect. Right. Nobody's fallen for it. And she was like, looked like shock. It was interesting.
SPEAKER_00And this is the first reunion where she doesn't have Kyle like blindly defending her, which is interesting to see as well. Like the dynamic change there, where I'm sure she's like taken that for granted.
SPEAKER_01He's still kind of like, he's like, eh, like maybe we shouldn't go there. That's a line that we're gonna do. He feels bad.
SPEAKER_00He feels bad for her. Yeah. So the next part that I I wanted to cover was when Andy asks Sierra when she first suspected anything was going on with Amanda and West. And she says January 17th, which I had to remind myself by looking, but that's two days before Amanda and Kyle announced their separation publicly. Okay. And and she says, you know, she said she suspected it. So apparently she called Amanda. Amanda didn't answer, so she looked like, oh, where's Amanda? She knows sees Amanda's at West's house, and he didn't she didn't answer, so she's like, That's weird. So she texted again, didn't get an answer. And Amanda's like, I did answer. And Sierra's like, no, not at first. And um, it was like 30 minutes later or whatever. And you know, Amanda keeps trying to like interrupt her, and Sarah's like, I'm speaking, like I I was so proud of Sierra this whole time, like this whole reunion.
SPEAKER_01No, she was just the right amount of mean and like and but she was composed and like Yes. Yeah, and she made a point also where she was like, You called me back, but it was only smoked out.
SPEAKER_00Thirty minutes later, you called me when Mia added me, you, and her to a group text. Yeah. And you know, uh Sierra's like, I thought it was weird that you wouldn't answer when you're with him. Like, they're all friends, why wouldn't she call back or answer or text? And she's like, Well, you know, he invited me for a drink, so I was busy basically, like some lame excuse. And you know, she's like, He was there for me, and Sierra's like, and I wasn't there for you, and like like what I took away from this is Amanda's trying to make it out like oh, Wes was such a good friend to her and there for her, and then like their feelings just evolved and whatever. I'm sure that's like where she's going with this, but Sierra has been a good friend to her and was continuing to be a good friend to her, and in like try to be there for her, obviously, if she's going through this separation and stuff. And Amanda just completely blew her off, wasn't like answering her phone, wasn't hanging out with her, and because she's she's choosing to spend her time with Wes and West's friends and whatever, and they're like, Why are you blowing her off? Whatever. And then Amanda has this whole like, oh my god, like I was having an awakening. I was living separately from my ex. I was trying to prioritize myself. Like, you know, one awakening. Does she mean sexual awakening?
SPEAKER_01Apparently not.
SPEAKER_00Apparently, they they supposedly allegedly were not having sex yet. But what other kind of awake like spiritual awakening? What other kind of awakening are you having? And on the one hand, she's saying, Why are you getting on me for like ignoring you? But then she has all this time to spend with West. Like nothing she says makes sense. She constantly contradicts herself.
SPEAKER_01No, the defense was terrible because she was like, I have other friends, or like I do things that you don't know about. I don't post everything, but she does post everything with Wes, and there was like the breadcrumbs and all that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I loved when they're like, um, what other friends are you hanging out with? West friends, you don't have any other friends, and then she got all defensive. And I'm like, you literally posted everything you were doing for like two months on Instagram, and then you can't act like you didn't do that. Like, she's trying to rewrite history by being like, I don't post everything. It's like you literally documented everything for the world to see, not just these friends, but everybody.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. My problem with it is like, so it is bizarre to just like go over and hang out with West as a friend. If she's not doing that with like her girlfriends and everything, like, why is she doing that with West? It doesn't, it doesn't check out.
SPEAKER_00No, it doesn't. It's it's bizarre behavior. And this is when she's like, I wasn't just hanging out with West, I was hanging out with other friends, and they're like, Yeah, West's friends, and she's like, No, not West friends, fuck off. And that's you know, Sierra's like, shut the fuck up a minute, you don't want to cross this bridge with me. Like, how are you thinking this is the strategy? Like, she's an idiot, and she can't even like control her anger and like resentment towards Sierra for this. Like, just take it, let them say what they want. That's the only way you come out of this. Like, apologize, say you fucked up, say there's no defense, let them say what they want. Right. And that's all you that's the only move.
SPEAKER_01I think she wanted to be calm, like she wanted to be composed and let everybody else be angry and upset so that she could just be like, Why is everybody yelling at me? But she couldn't control her emotion. Like she was just rolling her eyes, making weird faces, like she just couldn't she couldn't stick to that plan.
SPEAKER_00Um, so the other so the next takeaway I have is they talk like West is talking, first of all, and he's like, Yeah, I a hundred percent lied, I'll take accountability. I don't know what he thinks taking accountability is, but saying I take accountability doesn't just somehow mean you're taking accountability, like just saying the word.
SPEAKER_01Right. Yeah, no, there's no actions that accompany those words.
SPEAKER_00Like, what are you doing? To take accountability. But then he's like, I'll admit I lied. It's like, yeah, no shit, Sherlock. Like, you admitted you were lying after you got caught. You don't get an award for that.
SPEAKER_01Right. Yeah. Yeah. He said, like, I think at one point he's like, I'll own up to it or something like that.
SPEAKER_00But like owning up to it would mean you like admitted it before people caught you red-handed. Right.
SPEAKER_01And I still think that they're perpetuating more lies. So like I like nothing's changed.
SPEAKER_00A hundred percent. He's not taking accountability. He won't even admit he had a girlfriend.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00Because it so this this is when Sierra jumps in, she's like, You're the most fake person on this show. Like everybody else is authentic in who they are and open up, and everything he does is like curated and calculated for the cameras. And then she's like, That's probably why it was so confusing for you this season, because you had a girlfriend that nobody knew about, Miha. And then he like, he's like, not a girlfriend. I was seeing someone. It's like, what, dude? Like this guy. Uh he just like labels things differently so that he can like spin this alternate reality that is only in his head to justify his behavior.
SPEAKER_01He has his own set of rules that he's living in, and he truly thinks that he's completely justified.
SPEAKER_00And we find out that he spent the night with this girlfriend on March 24th, seven days before Amanda and West posted their joint statement, and Amanda knew about it. What?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. What was her comment? Like, some it was something like, Oh, like we had a long talk about it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and this is when Mia's like, and we saw this in the leaked audio, like, Amanda, why are you doing this? Like, going from being married to being a side bitch, that's crazy. Like, my thought was Amanda had a way out of this. So, okay, sure. She got caught, she got wrapped up in West Charms, whatever. She could have, when they got caught, said, you know what? That was fucked up. I did this, I shouldn't have. But he's been lying to me. He was dating these other girls. I feel like an idiot. I can't believe I fell for this. I also, you know, like hurt Sierra and Kyle. But I'm done. Like, I've seen the light. I'm done with this guy. She could have still like she wouldn't have looked good, but she could have like had a path to redemption, I think. Like if we had if she had like blamed it all on West, like we would have still been mad at her, but I think she could have like manipulated her way a little bit more out of it. Like, how is she willing to like just go down with him?
SPEAKER_01I think this is the most compelling argument in favor of the theory that this has been going on for a year or or more. Yeah, it's like because you don't do this for somebody that you've got a crush on that you've like made out with a few times. Like, oh, it's still really new. It's it's been a couple weeks since our friendship transitioned into something else where we're kissing every once in a while now. You know, we're exploring something or whatever, so we're just gonna see where this goes. Like, you don't do that with somebody after like two weeks, but if you've been secretly seeing them for a year and like you've developed like a real connection, but you aren't allowed to tell people about the actual timeline of all that because then it looks really fucked up. That's the only way I can wrap my head around all this. So I maybe I don't know how much evidence there is, but like I just can't comprehend how they would get caught kissing a couple times and then be like, ah shit, we gotta go all in on this now. Like we basically need to get married, or otherwise, like it's like, no, like that's makes absolutely no sense. Just abort. I don't know what we were doing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And they so Wes says, you know, the statement came out incredibly rushed because of how insane things became. And in the reunion audio that leaked, we also heard Amanda saying, like, they found out that there was this video out there of her in a compromising position. But allegedly, according to them, they say they didn't have sex till after the statement was published, in which case, what was this video of that was such damning evidence then?
SPEAKER_01And also not that night, though.
unknownYeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01That was to be clear, right? It was like not that night, sometime after, which also just makes it sound completely more like BS.
SPEAKER_00Like, yeah. What?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Uh yeah, I don't know what the evidence was. I don't think she knows what the evidence is. Like if it was just kissing, then yeah.
SPEAKER_00They're they can't keep their stories straight. And yeah, Sierra's like, so it was so conscious, like they were very aware and they still chose to do it. Then they kept doing it, they hid it, they kept lying about it, they kept repeatedly lying about it and hiding it and doing it. Again, it's not just like we hung out a few times, crossed the line, flirted, you know, got drunk, made out one time. It's so much more than that. And there's so many opportunities for either of them to be like, you know what? This is too too messed up. We're not we can't keep doing this. Yeah. Yet they're still at this reunion acting like they're together. Like, I was certain they would not be still together by the reunion.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I still don't think it's gonna lie. I I don't know. Every day that they're together is a shock to me.
SPEAKER_00And then Amanda talks about how, you know, you can't help who you like and who you're attracted to. And she didn't choose this. It's like, Amanda, you are an adult, you're responsible for your own actions. You can choose to act or not to act on feelings. You might not be able to control your feelings or your thoughts, but you can choose whether or not you act on them.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, nobody said you can't be attracted to West.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01Go ahead.
SPEAKER_00Uh, and in this part was one of my favorite parts when, you know, Sierra's like, yeah, Amanda's just like, you know, I wasn't married anymore. And Sierra's like, I mean, by the state of New York, you're still legally married. And Carl like jumps in, he's like, actually New Jersey.
SPEAKER_01Carl starts laughing, but he like catches himself and he's like, uh uh, oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Carl would know he officiated the wedding in New Jersey.
SPEAKER_01So thank you, Carl.
SPEAKER_00So Andy does ask Carl also, like, oh, so what did you think about the you know, the joint statement? Was that a good move or a terrible move? Carl's like, it's terrible, but if you're gonna do it, you should actually apologize and like name the people you're apologizing to. And then he makes this analogy about it's like singing happy birthday, but not saying who you're singing it to. I'll give it to him.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it works.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. And Amanda is like, well, I texted everybody personally. It's like, so what was the public statement for? The public statement was just because you care what the public thinks about you, not because you care what your friends think about you. I thought it was really eye-opening when they were going through some of the texts that Sierra and Amanda had back and forth.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And not only was Amanda lying about it, she was like guilting Sierra. Like, I can't believe I have to text you this. I can't believe you're like asking me this. I can't like, what do you mean you can't believe it? You're literally lying to her, and now you're trying to make her feel bad for like doubting you.
SPEAKER_01So, okay, so at one point she said, like, is something going on between you guys? And then she was like, No, like absolutely nothing's happening. And in the reunion, Amanda's like defending herself, and she's like, Yeah, I mean, at that time we were PG. Like, we were like, it's like, okay, well, what what does that mean? And then Sierra reads another text message, and she's like, So there's no kissing, there's no hand holding under the table, there's no like none of this.
SPEAKER_00She's like, just to be clear, you haven't made out, you haven't held hands, you haven't had sex.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And then Amanda's like, okay, so I lied.
SPEAKER_00So we're like, Well, yeah, because Amanda texted back, correct. And she's like, and I lied, a hundred percent lied.
SPEAKER_01So it's like the first text message she said I was telling the truth, I wasn't lying. And then the second one, now she's like, I was lying. So she's like trying to kind of like defend herself when she can. It's just just own up to it. Like, this is what we did and this is when we started doing it, and all of it's fucked up.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. The whole PG thing, what what does it mean?
SPEAKER_01Like, we hadn't had sex at that point.
SPEAKER_00Well, so because then they talk about her like constantly turning off her location.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Which is like, why are you sharing your location with these people?
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_00Girl, get better at lying. Like just turn it off, just turn it off completely. You don't need to turn it on and off. Like I don't even like sharing my location with you. Like, I don't want people to know my business, and I'm not being shady or lying to people. No, it's a good I think it's good for some sort of emergency or whatever. I'm joking, but it's just funny. Like, how dumb are you? You're gonna share your location with all these people and then do all this shady stuff. What? Okay, so we also learn about when what their first kiss was, and they say end of February after brunch, and then they share the picture from their brunch, and it says it was from March first. But Wes previously said on his own podcast that things got quote unquote serious with Amanda in February. So how are you saying you got serious but you didn't kiss till March first? What?
SPEAKER_01It doesn't yeah. And I don't think he would on the podcast screw up that detail. Like I don't uh I know he's not super bright, but like would assume that you'd be very careful about like the details that you're so I don't think it was just like a oh yeah, I said February, but like thinking back on it now, it was March. I like I don't buy that. I I think it's just they're getting caught in lies, and that's why things are inconsistent.
SPEAKER_00Totally. And so then Andy asks, when did you first sleep together? And Amanda's that's when Amanda's like after the statement, but not like that night, like sometime after the statement. Which I don't believe them, but let's say for argument's sake that it is true, then this makes it like a hundred times worse. You're posting a joint statement with a person that you haven't had sex with and just a month ago had your first kiss with, and you're just figuring out your feelings. Like Amanda, you're choosing to throw away this meteoric rise you're gonna and like redemption arc you're gonna have for this shitty guy that everybody's like already not happy with because of how he's treating Sierra, and you're just gonna let this like tank your whole career and your your relationships, and for what?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00For this guy that's not exclusively dating you, and you know he's not exclusively dating you, and he's gonna continue to not exclusively date you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I don't again, I don't buy it, but the only thing that gives me hesitation to think like, what if it was true what they're saying, is the fact that Kyle and Amanda supposedly hadn't had sex in forever. So I'm like, may maybe Amanda's just like celibate at this point, and like she's just like, sorry, like that's not what this relationship's gonna be about. I don't think West would like it for the chase or something.
SPEAKER_00Maybe I don't think he would go for that, but no, I don't.
SPEAKER_01So that's my only hesitation. Other than that, no, it doesn't make any sense. Like it's a complete lie.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I agree. Yeah, and then Amanda, she's like, you know, maybe I just should have said from the get-go, I have feelings for someone I'm not supposed to have feelings for. And Sierra's like, yes, but then you remove yourself from the situation, like admit this and then do something about it so that you don't just destroy your friendships, your relationships, and the show. And Amanda's like, So I'm not allowed to pursue something that I feel strongly about. I'm like, as Amanda would say, correct.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it came across like very entitled in a way.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely, she's very entitled.
SPEAKER_01Like, yes, there are people that are off limits. That's everybody knows that.
SPEAKER_00Yes, agreed. Uh, and then Amanda says, You're acting like I had an affair. And Sierra's like, you can downplay it, you are downplaying it. And like Sierra's totally right. Both Amanda and Wes continue to try to downplay it because Wes is like, this isn't a sex scandal. Amanda, you act like we had an affair. They're trying to get us to focus on what it wasn't. But like, let's talk about what it is. Like, complete betrayal of a close friend for Amanda to Sierra. And Sierra has been a good friend to her, a very good friend, which we saw very on display throughout this whole season. And the fact that like Sierra was talking about how she's trying to be there for her. She's not just there for her on the show, she's there for her in real life, whether or not Amanda actually like accepts it or not. And it's a portrayal for Wes to Kyle, it's a portrayal for Wes to Sierra, who also he said is his friend. Um, it's a repeated pattern of lying and deception to their friends and everybody else in their life multiple times. They're putting this like people's livelihoods at risk by basically putting the whole like show at risk by doing this because they know it's gonna blow up everything. They have what I think is allegedly an emotional affair, at least, if it's not a physical affair. And it looks like that whole time they were getting off on the deception that they were playing in everyone's faces on social media. So they can downplay it all they want, but it was all of those things, allegedly, for legal reasons.
SPEAKER_01But No, I think I think that's a great point. It would be nice for somebody to say point blank to her, like, do you acknowledge that you're betraying your friends? I I want them to answer that question. Like, do you think that this is a terrible thing, what you've done to your friends? Because like I I don't know if they recognize that or not. Like, I don't think they they've really they've apologized for their actions, what they've actually done, but they haven't apologized for like what it's done to those people.
SPEAKER_00I don't think they're like, all of the hurt that they've caused. So this is when Andy asks Sierra, like, what are your intentions for this reunion? And Sierra has a great line. She's like, Might as well discuss the details and to like cover them with dirt and put them in the ground. I was like, Yes, Sierra.
SPEAKER_01He was like, whoa.
SPEAKER_00Couple other things. Carl is like, yeah, Lindsay looks pretty good when Jessie's like talking about how she is giving Cruella Deville, which was cute. Um, they do bring Levi out, which I thought it was weird they didn't just let her come out from the beginning, even if she wasn't gonna stay the whole time so that Dara could come. Like they one, they couldn't have just like an extra seat so they could be there at the same time, fine. But it just seemed kind of pointless to bring Levi out.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think you either have her out there for the whole time or you don't have her at all. It it felt like it was it just seemed kind of felt a little disrespectful. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_00Like, like and even if they're not gonna have her stay the whole time, just bring her out in the beginning.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it was weird.
SPEAKER_00Um, we did get a little check-in with Mia. We learn that her and Scott are no longer together, and they Mia broke up with him at the end of the summer or after the summer, which I was kind of glad to hear, like nothing against Scott, but it didn't seem like the relationship was gonna work based on his travel schedule and what Mia was looking for.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_01I think in a in another lifetime, like if they have more compatible living situations and stuff, maybe it would work, but and and like uh Andy's, you know, oh, are you looking for anyone right now or whatever?
SPEAKER_00And she's like, No, I'm just doing me. I think it's unhealthy to go from one serious relationship to another and it becomes with their disassociated looks on their faces. We also get the Ben and Bailey part when Andy asks them about their argument that they had. And I did think it was crazy when Ben said that him and Bailey hadn't even had a conversation before Bailey made her comments. They obviously did. We saw saw them having conversations.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00Um, I do think Ben had a I do think he was dating Sabrina the whole time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, who knows? Maybe they didn't have the label, maybe he they left it open-ended or something, but like it seemed like they were pretty solid when they got back together. So I don't know.
SPEAKER_00And then Bailey kind of goes off on Ben. I do think Ben does have a little bit of a weird approach where he like lectures women. Um, because he kind of had a pattern of that, but I also I also think Bailey might have wanted to help secure her spot for the next season, and that's why she was like going in so hard potentially.
SPEAKER_01Oh, interesting. Yeah, I don't know. I thought maybe in a way both can be right a little bit. Like, I think he does have a demeaning way of of talking to women, like it's he has a different tone, but also I did think that the comment was a little bit awkward at the dinner and everything, and like you know that's gonna that's gonna be a triggering comment. And I did think that there was a little bit of jealousy, so I think she was downplaying the colour.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean at the time I I still think the comment that Bailey made at the dinner table, it was like not the right time, so it's very awkward. I don't believe she didn't deserve to get yelled at for it though either. Exactly. Um I liked the joke that Kyle said, you know, Lindsay's like, what would you do, Carl, if Bailey sent you a nude? And Kyle's like, you'd open up hard bar, and then Lindsay's like, You stole that joke from me. I also wrote down we have to protect KJ at all costs. I thought it was really touching when he shared the story about his struggles he had after filming. And I think like I'm sure him opening up about that story will help others, so like good for him for being able to do that. And I'm glad he's okay.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that was a tough part. I didn't see that coming. Um, but yeah, I feel for him and glad that he was able to be vulnerable and share that and and open up and everything. That was definitely a a touching moment, inner intertwined with all the chaos and drama and everything. It was uh sad but uh relieving that he's um you know doing better now.
SPEAKER_00So um then we we tr transition a bit back to Sierra and Andy talked about how Sierra let her walls down a little bit more. Um it is cute we hear that her mom's kind of taken over the remodeling responsibilities for her um grandparents' house. Um, but then we transition back to talking about like how did Sierra let Wes back in a little bit and how they made out on the final night. And then Wes like it's like, yeah, there was like your stuff. What does that mean? He can't just say, Yep, we made out. He has to be like, I mean, there was your stuff.
SPEAKER_01It's just kind of weird. I don't know. Like, is he trying to downplay it or is he just that awkward?
SPEAKER_00He's trying to downplay it, I think. Uh okay, but then they talk about the whole West and Sierra of it all from this season. And Kyle's like, you know, were you breadcrumbing the audience? You know, Sears, like, was it all bullshit? You used this first storyline. And she does say, you know, you getting with Amanda really does feel like the best kind of revenge, so props to you. And then Wes is like, well, at no point have I said we're gonna date again, or I'm pursuing Sierra. I didn't say I'm trying to get back with her. I'm like, you didn't say you were pursuing her, but you did pursue her. Like all of your actions pointed to that you were. You told Ben you had a crush on her. Right. You acted like it was so magical and that you missed when they were together. You got upset when Jesse said he wanted to make out with Sierra. You pursued her until you could make out with her multiple times on the last weekend. And then he's like, I didn't lie. Like, we got dinner after summer. I told Sierra what my plans were. I wasn't gonna jump down that rabbit hole again. I'm like, yeah, as soon as cameras are down, you like tell her. But also, like they had two sleepovers since filming wrapped. And he's like, you know, we weren't we weren't texting as much. I'm like, so that probably means like instead of 10 texts a day, you're going to three texts a day. Like, what the fuck are you talking about, West?
SPEAKER_01I don't understand his rationale at all.
SPEAKER_00This is when Lindsay's like, so West, what's stronger? An emotional connection or a physical connection? And he's like, emotional. And she's like, I rest my case. So, and this is kind of where we end because Sierra's like, you know, Amanda might actually be the perfect girl for West. She's going to be mute, she's not gonna check him on anything, she's gonna be that weak figure that he needs. He can be the star of the relationship. Maybe it actually could work. Like, West literally looked like he was shaking his head in agreement as Sierra said all of those things. Yeah, it looked like He's kind of like cursing his lips like maybe good point. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I don't know. I I'm not gonna claim to be able to read him anymore, but I thought he was like mad and just trying to like control his facial expressions, but doing a bad job of it.
SPEAKER_00Kyle, you know, Kyle's like, that's a little harsh. And Sierra's like, She's your wife, not my wife, Kyle. Like, I don't know her.
SPEAKER_01He did say, like, you're you're entitled to have all the feelings that you want to feel right now. Like I he's like, I I'm not gonna hold that back from you, but like uh understand that makes me feel uncomfortable.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um, we did see scenes for the next reunion episode. I don't have my notes on it, but I do remember we see Dara comes and that also she's like reading West for filth. But it was an intense first part.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. I don't know how much more we can get.
SPEAKER_00Well, we know we didn't we didn't see the part yet where Amanda starts crying and walks off.
SPEAKER_01Oh, right.
SPEAKER_00So, and then them being like, Wes, you're not gonna go after her?
SPEAKER_01Right, co-get you girl.
SPEAKER_00That's still coming up in one of the episodes. I feel like we covered a lot already.
SPEAKER_01Right. Yeah, I don't I guess there's more questions.
SPEAKER_00Definitely more questions, but it's a really strong first part.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I'm curious what pushes her over the edge where she like breaks down because like she's been kind of defensive and rolling her eyes and stuff like that, but like Do you think it's a continuation of this conversation?
SPEAKER_00Because she definitely got emotional after Sierra said all those things about her being maybe the perfect woman for Wes.
SPEAKER_01Being weak and mute, yeah. Yeah, maybe it's immediately after that, or maybe it's like one more comment that pushes her over the edge. Yeah. I mean a lot a lot happened already, so definitely.
SPEAKER_00Are we doing any superlatives? Are we talking about in the city at all?
SPEAKER_01I don't think we need to do superlatives. I didn't take any notes on in the city, but I'm sure you did.
SPEAKER_00Uh yeah, I just had a couple points if we wanted to talk about it. Okay. A little bonus in the city content. Well, it was interesting going from this like crazy, intense, wild reunion straight to in the city, which is like rewinding back in history. And like I understand it made sense last week to go like straight from Summer House into in the city because of the transition and everything. I think they should have like moved it to Wednesday or something this week. Like it was too much.
SPEAKER_01I agree. Seeing Kyle and Amanda on opposite sides of the couch and everything, and then like going to playing with their dog together and stuff, like it's yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Doesn't I think there should have been a little bit of separation, maybe like until the reunions are done airing, like just move in the city to a new night or something. But it's still fine. Like I'm still enjoying it. So I had a couple takeaways. So we had the scene we see in Kyle and Amanda's apartment with Amanda like packing up for her quote unquote one month separation. And we owe Kyle an apology because I got mad at him this season when he was complaining about how Amanda's messy and like he had to call her mom to come help before. And I'm like, can't you just help her clean up? But they show they showed multiple parts of the apartment, the shower, like the ledge with like clothes just piled up, and then some like room with just like a mess on it. Yeah, I uh I'm sorry, Kyle, for giving you a hard time. Yeah, that's tough.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Not that she deserves benefit of the doubt, but like um trying to view it from the lens of like, okay, she's packing, unpacking, or whatever, and so it's gonna be a little bit chaotic, but like I think some of like the shower thing, like that looked like it was a permanent situation. Like they have an extra shower, so she's like, oh, more space for me to hoard. I I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Like it's like if it's uh it's I understand like it's New York City. You probably don't have that much closet space, I get it. But get rid of some things, like maybe don't have as many shoes, use that closet space to like those shelves could have like could fold up all your shirts on. Or maybe turn it one of the bedrooms into a closet or something, but because I'm assuming it was at least two bedrooms, but if they have two showers, um hopefully they have an operable shower.
SPEAKER_01Hopefully that Yeah, hopefully there's another shower. I'm assuming that's there's something. I don't wanna know.
SPEAKER_00And then it seemed like um you know, Kyle's like, so what are you gonna do? Like to get a truck road over and she's like, Maybe we can just pack up your car. So she's gonna make this man move her out. That was she's the worst.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Other things. I am really liking Gavin so far. Yeah. I like how he's like petty and picking on Kenny and like him and I like him and Lindsay's relationship. I like his energy. I thought that Kenny was like making continuing to make the like Lindsay grilling him at the um bar, like into this thing that it's like not. She was just asking questions, and like I agree she was going a little hard, but like, why did he make it into this big confrontation at Whitney's welcome party? And then like he's also he was also like mad at Gavin because he talked about it. But I liked I liked that Gavin was like joking around and also saying like Kenny's just upset because he can't like take it, he can dish it out, but he can't take it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Kenny seems like yeah, like the kind of person that can't take it, but it's almost like he gets wronged and then like he makes that person into like a villain for the rest of his life, like in his head, like he's forever gonna get it.
SPEAKER_00Why is he holding this? Is he gonna make this into like a whole season storyline of like him not backing down? Uh we learn Whitney is not an outfit repeater, she's moving her stuff in, and she's like, We're gonna turn the second bedroom into a closet. I wrote Amanda Take Notes. Uh we saw Robert, Danielle's ex-boyfriend. Can we get him on the show? Like separately from Danielle.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I remember when he was on the show, and I I actually liked him, but that was like around the point where I was starting to get annoyed by Danielle, and I was like, he could do better.
SPEAKER_00So uh Gemma continues to be the cutest. I continued to love Georgina. She uh she had some good lines. She's like, you know, being a mom's really hard. Like, if there was a first aid kit for moms, it would include a bottle of champagne. I was like, preach. Uh and then she's like, My kids are crazy. This week my son painted his penis blank.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that you know, Lindsay kind of like talked about how like I don't have a lot of friends that have kids. Like most of my friends are at like a different stage in their life and everything. And and she kind of just made a point. Like, she's like, you don't need me to like guide you through this, like you'll figure it out, like you're fine. She gave some good advice.
SPEAKER_00Uh we learned that Whitney has an alter, like Kenny, I think Kenny's at Boys Night or something, they're like, Oh yeah, Whitney seems good, and like that she let loose or whatever, and he's like, Oh yeah, she can get after it. She has an alter ego named Claire, which is the most whitebred name for an alter ego. Like her real name. Yeah, you got this crazy side of you, and Whitney is more of a like alter ego name than Claire is like what? I love that she has an alter ego, she just needs to workshop the name a little bit more.
SPEAKER_01Maybe there's a story to it, maybe it's like her middle name or something, and like that's uh like she lets her other side of it.
SPEAKER_00I want to see Claire come out.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen that yet.
SPEAKER_00Uh we learn a little bit more about Yvonne and Lindsay's friendship. And Lindsay talks about how sometimes Yvonne forgets she's a mom because she's like always calling and asking her to do things, whatever. And and it's like, you know, do you want to go out at 11 or whatever? And Lindsay's like, no, I'm I'm a mom. I've my kids here, whatever. But I was thinking, like, I think that's really fun. I would love a friend that is constantly asking me to do things, even if I'm like some half half the time I'm not available, fine. But like, yeah, don't stop inviting me. It's nice to have that friend that you're like, okay, well, when I can get my mom signed out, like she's gonna be there, she's available to do things. I think as a married couple with kids, and most of our friends have kids, it can be tough when you're like, okay, like we have a babysitter, now we have to like get our other friends to get a babysitter. It's like hard to coordinate.
SPEAKER_01You need the all the stars to align sometimes, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Danielle's boobs were out again this episode. Strong showing for her boobs so far this season.
SPEAKER_01I feel like she looked like she was uncomfortable. She didn't know what to do, like with her hands and stuff. I I don't know. It was bold choice. Felt a little bit awkward. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Uh Kyle said, We're not separated, we're just creating separation.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I I think he was like still hopeful down to like way beyond like where Amanda had any intention on salvaging that relationship.
SPEAKER_00Uh Amanda talks about how much she hates change, so much so that when she was a kid, she cried and wouldn't let her parents change the railings in their house. I just wrote down Amanda needs therapy. Yeah. And then the last scene was um Kyle FaceTiming with his mom, kind of sharing about what's actually been going on, and that Amanda was at least temporarily moving out at that point. And it was it was emotional. I felt for Kyle in that scene, but I was glad to see like his supportive family. It was interesting. Also, we learned that his dad also had a marriage before his dad met Kyle's mom. So that was just interesting to learn too.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was emotional. I I was tearing up a little bit. I I think that seemed like a difficult conversation because like it's it's one thing when it's like your relationship, it's just the two of you, and it's like, all right, what are we deciding to do and everything? But that's super difficult and emotional to like tell your parents, like you're hoping that they're not gonna be like disappointed in you, and everything. So it seemed like that was a like a tough conversation for you to have.
SPEAKER_00Totally. Um, and then we saw scenes for next weeks in the city, which includes a scene with Amanda, Sierra, and West. Dun dun dun. Yeah. We also see that Amanda is saying to Kyle, Oh, I found a place, but it has a year-long lease. So I'm curious to see if she actually just is like, I'm just gonna get it anyway, and then we can store all my stuff there, even if I don't move out.
SPEAKER_01Even if we get back together, if I move back in, like we'll still have this place that we can have. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So we'll see. But I need to rest up for next Tuesday. I'm already exhausted thinking about it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I have a feeling there's gonna be some more social media roundup also. I feel like I haven't looked at a lot of it yet, but there's a few hot takes going around and a lot of reactions to the uh the reunion. So crazy times.
SPEAKER_00Andy said on threads, six straight guys have stopped me in the West Village in the last five hours to discuss the reunion. This is a higher than average post reunion occurrence. All right. Bye.
SPEAKER_01See ya.
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