EPISODE 4 - Emily Keltz: The Divorce Detox

Our guest this week is Emily Keltz, a certified NLP practitioner and mindset coach helping women break free from the emotional weight of divorce, toxic relationships and betrayal. Enabling them to rebuild their confidence, reconnect to themselves, and start attracting the love and life they truly deserve. Her Divorce Detox program is the comprehensive resource she wishes she had 15 years ago!

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Basic Tapping Sequence

Tapping Meridian Chart

Tapping can be used to resolve a variety of issues – so try it on everything! This example focuses on general anxiety.

• Identify the problem on which you want to focus. It can be general anxiety, or it can be a specific situation or issue that causes you to feel anxious.

• Consider the problem or situation. How do you feel about it right now? Rate the intensity level of your anxiety on a scale of 0 to 10, with zero being the lowest level of anxiety and ten being the highest.

• Compose a setup statement. Your setup statement should acknowledge the problem you want to deal with, then follow it with an unconditional affirmation of yourself as a person.

Setup statement examples:

“Even though I feel this anxiety, I deeply and completely accept myself.”

“Even though I’m anxious about my interview, I deeply and completely accept myself.”

Transcript

Welcome And Guest Introduction

Katherine 0:00

Hello everyone and welcome to Hip Talks. I'm your host, Katherine Hinchey. I'm a certified hypnotherapist, NLP practitioner, and SHRM Senior Certified Professional in Human Resources. After spending a decade working in the music industry, my path led me into the world of the healing arts, where science, energy, mindset, and transformation all meet. Each week, I sit down with a different healing practitioner to explore the many powerful modalities available to support our growth, well-being, and personal evolution. So come with me on this journey of discovery and learn about all the opportunities for healing and transformation that are available to all of us.

Tracey Moore 0:53

Don't let your dreams stay stuck in your mind.

Katherine 1:25

Cousin Emily. Yes, that's Emily, yes. Yes, my cousin by marriage. So excited to have Emily here today.

Who Emily Helps And Why

Katherine 1:35

She is a certified NLP practitioner and mindset coach, helping women break free from the emotional weight of divorce, toxic relationships, and betrayal, enabling them to rebuild their confidence, reconnect to themselves, and start attracting the love and the life that they truly deserve. Her divorce detox program is the comprehensive resource that she wishes she had 15 years ago. I'm sure of many too. So welcome. So glad to see you.

Emily 2:05

Thank you. It's awesome to see you. Thank you so much for having me. I am so excited to be here as well and just share all the things and the feelings and my journey. Yeah. Hope to support all of the uh wonderful listeners that you have.

Katherine 2:22

All right. So from your bio, you're working with women going through it, right? Going through it. So to talk to me a little bit more about, yeah, that sort of special corner of the healing world, working with those women. Is there anything more detailed about your clients or anything that you want to share?

Emily 2:41

Yes, for sure. As an NLP practitioner, I have certain modalities that can help create a positive mindset shift and calm the nervous system because when we go through these life transitions, whether it's leaving a toxic relationship or coming out of a divorce, even the most amical divorce is really tough. So our entire nervous system gets dysregulated. And we also suffer an identity loss. I was a wife, I'm a mom, I've been just serving the needs of everyone else and been on autopilot and just doing what I need to get through, maybe working as well. And then you have this incredibly difficult life transition shift, whether it's betrayal or whether you just realize that you're unhappy with this life choice that you made. It's really hard to recover sometimes your identity, remember what lights you up, you know what your soul-driven purpose is. So I'm all about helping women reconnect to themselves and remember what lights them up, and also to rebuild maybe the wreckage, right, from a toxic relationship or betrayal. It can really be shattering. So that is my core client. I love to help women and people in general just achieve goals and find what lights them up and their passion, but mainly because I have been through this myself. Come to the other side. I have come through the other side. And women, you can come through the other side more vibrant, stronger than before, and empowered, which is that's my word. That's the name of my company that I founded, Empowered by Emily. It's possible, it's attainable, and obviously, one of the deepest roots comes down to self-love.

Katherine 4:57

Before we go further, let's unpack a little bit NLP for those who are not familiar. Can you explain NLP? Yes.

Emily 5:07

Yes, I would love to because it was very exciting to me to come across this and then eventually get certified and master certified. NLP

NLP Explained And Mindset Rewiring

Emily 5:17

stands for Neurolinguistic Programming. And it is really what it sounds like neuro. So mind-body connection, but neuro also talking to neuroplasticity and our ability that we have. All of us have this innate ability for the rest of our days in our lives to rewire our brain with our thinking, to change patterns, thinking patterns. And the thoughts that we have really dictate our emotions dictate our actions, our actions create our reality. So if you can create a shift, if you can gain clarity and awareness with neuro-linguistic programming. So the linguistic is the words you use.

Katherine 6:14

Yeah, that's so important.

Emily 6:16

And also these experiences can result in self-limiting beliefs. And so for us to raise the awareness, right, that you're even doing that and hear those stories that go through your head because it happens for everyone. And it can be based on things that happened in the past, upbringing, whether it's even through your childhood or a parental relationship, that you had a family relationship, and then of course, marriage or a prior romantic relationship.

Katherine 6:47

So true. I have actually been working on the limiting beliefs that I have specifically around money and wealth. And wow, what a sticky wicket. I it goes so deep. And it's I don't even realize like all of the ways in which I have these automatic thoughts based on my limiting beliefs. Automatic. And it's where did that even come from? There's there's a whole morality to wealth that I have associated with that being immoral. So interesting. Yeah, talking about the limiting beliefs and the neurolinguistic programming, the negative self-talk. It's really powerful stuff.

Emily 7:32

It absolutely is. And if you can raise your awareness and then intentionally create a shift and create a shift that we also do soul searching in terms of what our core beliefs and values are. And you know, those change, right? What you thought at 20 is not the same as what you think at 30, 40, and so on. So they change, we evolve. And then you want to make sure that the decisions you're making, the actions you take are aligned with those core values and beliefs. It's so important. And that's the way to, and I hate to use the word manifest because it's not really just woo, it's really science-backed manifestation, neuroplasticity is really truly a science-backed fact. So you really can shift your reality and make changes that affect the trajectory of the rest of your life. Besides doing all of that deep work, there are tools like EFT tapping, time techniques, and even vagus nerve stimulation ways to, of course, as a certified hypnotherapist, meditations and things that you can do that assist with these mindset shifts and goals and to rewire the programming that might have been disruptive or unhealthy for us or not really soul-connected and self-loving.

Katherine 8:59

Yeah. I want to go back for a second to what you were talking about core values and core beliefs. I imagine that that is that shift, probably for a lot of your clients, happens before the breakup of the relationship or the marriage or whatnot. Like your life is no longer in alignment with your core values. And so that might spark the change in which it leads to breakup or divorce or whatnot. Do you find that's the case a lot of times?

Emily 9:31

Or yeah, it's so interesting. I just got chills because of sort of like putting myself in that place. So the answer is yes. And I also think that sometimes for clients, I've seen a huge shift after a breakup or after a divorce, right? So I think what you're referring to and referencing was true for me. I had a shift before, and that is the impetus part of it. It's always very convoluted. But on the other hand, sometimes, and this happened to me as well, we are blindsided with events that happen maybe within a relationship or in our lives in general. It doesn't even have to be in the relationship that causes you to reassess your values and your belief system. And you're like, wait a minute, and this whole thing happened, and you're just like, I have a new set of priorities here. And I have been, in hindsight, maybe neglecting myself or not had this awareness, or feel blindsided by what I thought was to what now I see really is. And so that causes you to

Limiting Beliefs And Core Values

Emily 10:48

have a new lens look through, new values, new goals, and new beliefs. So I think it can be, it can happen both ways for sure.

Katherine 10:59

And probably often, like you said, a little bit of both. I feel like I can relate to both. Talk to me about a lot of people go through divorce. Not everybody goes through divorce and then has this whole like tectonic plate shift life into doing and shifting and helping people like you are. So talk to me about how you got there.

Emily 11:21

I automatically travel back to like my 15-year-old self. I remember wanting to volunteer. I had no certifications then. I had investigated a few things and nothing really panned out. But I was just always that person that wanted to help my friends or people would just talk to me and come to me with issues. And I just wanted to, I didn't realize it back then, create a shift for them and for them to feel better about themselves and to see things maybe have a reframe. Now, now I have the words for it, to reframe things in a more positive way or a way that reflected positive onto them so that they weren't so hard on themselves and weren't sabotaging their own situation. So this is something that's always lived inside of me. I've had 10 careers in and out, and also a huge period as a stay-at-home mom. It was really hard for me to reconcile with that because that's the best thing for my children. That's a belief that's changed from and as a coach, also, I never try and tell anybody what's right for them. What I want to do is help peel back the layers, uncover what is right for them, because that answer lies within each unique person and every unique situation.

Katherine 12:46

So, where do that belief for you come from? That you're it's better for the kids if you're a stay-at-home mom.

Emily 12:53

Probably the way a lot of beliefs come to play, right? Society, programming from society, what you see out there. Maybe even it's just like that you feel that's a priority that reflects good on you. Oh, I'm gonna give up myself and all of that for the better of my kids. And of course, as parents, like that is really all we want. We want to give our kids everything and every opportunity. If your cup is so empty, and if you are an unhappy mob, let's say, that is not the most helpful thing for your children. And also, women, parents, struggle with that. How devastating is divorce gonna be? How devastating or how detrimental is the experience of this unhealthy dynamic gonna be? You know what I mean? And ultimately, what does that mean if I'm role modeling for my child to live within confines that are destructive or unhealthy or just really unhappy as if I don't matter?

Katherine 14:01

Yeah, it's really important for kids to see their moms and dads thriving.

Emily 14:09

It is. And for me, I did have personally a huge loss of identity by not working. I didn't know who I was anymore. I was like, I've accomplished nothing. And there's what did I do? I did nothing. Where do I go from here? That was really hard for me. How did you gain that back? My kids, so just I guess a little insight to my 10 careers. When my I had a I graduated in finance and psychology, which was always a love of mine, but I always felt like being a therapist wouldn't be the way I thought about it then, 30 years ago, wouldn't be dynamic enough for me. I'm like, I cannot sit at a desk all day long. But being a coach now and just being able to speak and be on podcasts and present and get involved with women's organizations and local brick and mortars, and it's just, I don't know, it's bigger, it's more dynamic. When my kids were in school full time, I went and got my cosmetology license because also back when I was young, things I would do for my girlfriends was hair and makeup. Loved it because I just, in general, whether it's from the inside or the outside, I love making women feel beautiful. So you're so beautiful and you're so stylish. And so I love style too. That's one huge mistake I made. Then I another thing I love to work on with women is like letting go of regret, because I've suffered with that for so long. I started college as a fashion merchandising major. It was my love. I wanted to be a designer, it'd always create things, and then I dropped it and went into finance and business. And that was a huge mistake. I regret that. That was my first love. I should have done it. I got uh my license as a cosmetologist, went and worked at a salon, created my own business, did hair and makeup for a while. That was always a passion of mine, in any which way, to support women and help them feel good about themselves. That's how I got back on track with the work world. Then I wanted to open like this amazing salon that was unique and uh and had all like the coffee bar and the vibe and like all kinds of things to make everyone just feel great being there.

Katherine 16:18

Yeah.

Emily 16:19

And you know, a hairstylist, like a therapist as well. Definitely you're standing by the chair, so it's so perfect. But instead of getting a salon, I got divorced. Okay. Then I went out and got more of a corporate job. Okay. And I I guess you could just lump it all into recruiting. So I did professional recruitment for over a decade. And then I'm like, how am I gonna have my own business? How am I gonna really express myself? I got my license in real estate, dropped that during COVID. It really wasn't for me. Then I got laid off from my recruiting job. I did real estate while I was part-time, while I was recruiting, and then this is advice for anybody out there who, if they heard real estate and want to do it, don't do it part-time because you need to put 100% into it if you're going to really monetize and make it a business. I got laid off and I had a moment and I said, you know, what is really my passion? And that was supporting and helping women. And ironically, around that time, I just happened to come across this program for a certification for NLP. And I was like, this was meant to be, I'm doing

Divorce, Identity Loss, And Renewal

Emily 17:36

it. And did you know about NLP before you came to it? Never heard of NLP. Okay, so what about it through you? The uncovering the limiting beliefs and the negative self-talk and the holistic type of exercises that could support that. I'm huge on communication. Communication is everything. Yeah, you can provoke with communication, you can undermine with communication, you can build a strong foundation with the proper communication. So it's everything. So that's what grabbed me.

Katherine 18:17

So when you're working with people and you're working on changing their mindsets and releasing their limiting beliefs, how do you approach that communication tool?

Emily 18:30

I tell them, start using I statements and taking accountability. And even if you're in a relationship and you're not the one who brought the toxic trait to the relationship, I am very big on owning our part of it because just by being there, we're engaging. If you're in a relationship with that person, then you're engaging in the cycle. So I try and raise awareness, which involves communication, about how we are engaging in this cycle and how to drop that rope and to disengage from the toxic trait and to then turn inwards, reflect on yourself, and to be really vulnerable and authentic, and to take the I statements and say, I feel such and such when you this. And that's obline, okay? Because it's really important to recognize that no one can make you feel a certain way. Right. You choose, okay. So that's a very important part that we get to choose. Oh, I want to choose to not take it this way, but I can't help it. I have this trauma and I have these triggers. Great. So we work on the trauma, we work on the triggers, we work on disintegrating them and breaking them down and understanding why they're there. And then we can just take ownership.

Katherine 19:48

And I remember when I was going to my hypnotherapist and talking about an argument that I had with my husband and just feeling like I was so used to just venting and getting validated, right? Didn't really move the needle much in how I felt or anything. But this was the first time somebody said, Okay, so what was your part in that? You are a participant, that you are dancing the dance in this world with this relationship.

Emily 20:17

And then the whole understanding of it changes. And you know what? You deserve that validation, though. You can still be validated. Your feelings are your feelings, and they're valid no matter what. There's no right and wrong. And you don't have to, two people don't always have to agree. They can agree to disagree, and they can support each other's feelings and validate them. Doesn't mean they have to agree with them. And I think the whole key to communication, especially in a relationship, a partnership, or a romantic relationship, is to create a safe space for honest, vulnerable communication.

Katherine 20:53

You are now in a new marriage. Yes. And how long have you and Jonathan been married?

Emily 21:02

Actually, in a few weeks, we will have our sixth wedding anniversary. But also a few days ago, we celebrated 15 years of our first date. Oh, congrats. Thank you. So, just to give an idea of the timeline, I got divorced at the end of 2010. I met Jonathan, my current husband, four months after I got separated. I wasn't really ready to meet anybody, and it just threw something into the mix where I was quite honestly very reticent, nervous, terrified, not sure if I ever want to get married again, or sort of like processed everything from my marriage. So everything we're talking about, I can really relate to because I've gone through the whole process of doing that work and going through the pain and the different stages while also managing a new relationship. I had tricky moments. I have to play a tricking moment.

Katherine 22:02

So when you now that you've gone through all this work, right? And you were talking about communication and holding that space in the relationship for each other, holding that space to honor their feelings and also maybe perhaps agree to disagree. Do you have any little rituals or tips and tricks or things that you two do to honor that?

Emily 22:27

To honor creating that space for each other. Yeah. One thing we will do, which I think is important, is to try and recognize and remind each other, if we don't recognize on our own, that we might be in the heat of the moment and feel triggered. Me especially. I can get triggered. Okay. I'll just speak for myself, not for him. But to remember that and maybe shelf something till the next day and to schedule, like so that it doesn't get shoved under the rug, it doesn't get discarded, but maybe to recognize that there's too much emotion and dysregulation going on right at the moment to discuss it constructively.

Finding Purpose And Career Turns

Katherine 23:10

So when that happens, you're recognizing your own self and putting the brakes on because you're recognizing you're triggered, or is it a situation where Jonathan's saying to you, hey, looks like you're triggered?

Emily 23:22

So yeah, I might need a reminder. We both might remind each other if I don't realize that and I'm feeling kind of it, and I need to tell you this and we need to figure this out now, or he might remind me, or vice versa. And then we try and let that be like the moment where we give each other grace. We're like, okay, because I know that it's the best choice. It is better, it's more helpful. If you can take that breath, and if you allow someone to remind you and you can remind them, if you don't come to that on your own, it really is helpful. And it takes a lot of trust. Yeah.

Katherine 24:00

Trust is saying that they have total good intentions with finding you with that.

Emily 24:06

Yeah. And truly that trust gets built by example, by giving the opportunity and then them showing up. You showing up and them showing up. To me, that's everything. Can't always show up perfectly, can't always have the answers, but you can just show up and not be emotionally absent, not withhold, not use lack of communication or silence or silent treatment and or use these things in a manipulative way.

Katherine 24:36

I know for me that sometimes, like when I get triggered, I do need space. I need to be silent so that I can process what's happening right now. Because right now I'm just seeing through red goggles.

Emily 24:49

Yeah, but that's good that you do know you need space and you take that. You see, I probably used to being much more the opposite. I gotta just like rant right then and get it out because I'm afraid I won't get it out otherwise, or I'm not heard or seen, and now I can trust more that I will be heard and seen, and that I will have that opportunity and that space, and I can trust that now, but I was the opposite.

Katherine 25:15

Anything else you want us to know about what you do before we move on to the next section?

Emily 25:23

I would love to impart that anyone who feels alone or isolated or in pain, that you're not alone, you're supported, that there is light at the end of the tunnel. We were meant to survive and to love on ourselves. I want to really be honest about how beaten down and terrified I was at times and just blindsided multiple times. And you can come back, you can do that work in a loving way and find yourself again and find some peace for yourself.

Katherine 26:06

So I just I want anyone who's listening to know that and also how much going through all of that changes your perspective if suddenly you're walking down the street and somebody bumps into you or something, it's less about hey and more about oh they must be really suffering. Yes, I love that analogy. How can the listeners find you?

Emily 26:44

They can find me through most social media platforms of their choice, but my primary one is Instagram at Empowered by Emily. I'm also on Facebook at Emily Kelts. Everything is driven from my Instagram. I have a website that's currently being revamped, but it's empowered by Emily. I get messages all the time. They can DM me, book a free consult. I'm always happy to do that, even just to give somebody some clarity and food for thought and see if we're a good fit. I'm not a gatekeeper. I love just giving information and support where needed. So on my Instagram, they can just use my calendar to link to book a free call. And yeah, that's how they can find me.

Katherine 27:40

All right. So now I invite you to lead us through something. Go ahead and tell us about what you're gonna do.

Emily 27:48

I had a thought because definitely it has become more mainstream now. I don't know if you've heard of it. It's called EFT tapping. That stands for emotional freedom technique. And it's based on Eastern Medicine. The meridians of the body that are used also for acupressure, acupuncture. Instead of needles, we're just tapping. And a lot of cool facts about tapping. So we all know cortisol. Cortisol is also produced from fight or flight, which I lived in for probably at least 20 years. Cortisol, too much cortisol, is that healthy, and all the things about it. Also, in terms of

Communication Tools That Break Cycles

Emily 28:32

regulating the nervous system, it is great for that, even used for pain management, but it can reduce cortisol even in one session from 20 to 40 percent. Wow. I love the research shows. Amazing. And if you know something about these holistic and meditative and other techniques, there's no downside. This is no core, and it's a moment with yourself. And if you can bring tapping into your life a couple of times a week, it will do wonders. And you can even tap on money attachment styles. Oh, yeah, that's yeah. So you can tap on anything, and I will write custom scripts for clients because it's based on whatever their issues are. So one of the main issues for me, let's say, has been trust, right? I've had trust broken many times. I'll give you a little example of tapping on trust.

Katherine 29:23

Okay.

Emily 29:24

Okay, and the eight meridians are one is like at the top of the head, above the eyebrows, like right there on the bone, side of the eyes, just underneath here, chin, color bone, and the funniest one under the arm. And the technical way to do it is set your intention, of course, what you want to tap on. And the premise is that we are going to do three rounds plus something called the karate chop, where you you reiterate the love and support for yourself, even though you're having this issue. So it's like self-acceptance. So you do just three karate chops, which I'll do in a moment, and then you go into the tapping. And the first one is how you feel. And so, what's really important to understand about the tapping that you're stating how you feel. I feel triggered sometimes with my husband when he references he's going out to meet a friend, and you're going to say any iterations of stuff like that while you're tapping on the meridians. So the tapping on the meridians is calming your nervous system. And so you're teaching your body, you're feeling calmer while you're thinking that thought. And then you're going to say, I want. So you're going to tap on the meridians again. This will be the second round. What you want to feel instead. And that's also a huge reframe with NLP practice. So a lot of say, I feel this way, I feel that way, I feel anxious, I feel nervous, I feel this, I feel I don't trust. So I'll always ask my clients, like, what do you want to feel? Because the subconscious doesn't process negatives. And this is the premise of NLP too. So you want to make sure that you don't push down what you're feeling. You hear, but then you reframe it as to what you want to feel and state that for yourself. And this is how we begin to start making that transition and make it possible for ourselves to get there, to feel that. So you say, I feel, I want, I allow. Now, I don't know about anyone else. I love this one so much because that's all about self-sabotage, how we get in our own way from allowing ourselves to go there, to grow, to because it's scary, right? It's really scary. It's a challenge, it's scary to be vulnerable. And then the last round is I am. And it doesn't matter, it doesn't mean you have to fully be there. You're just like owning that. And so each round you're tapping on those meridians for us to be calm and comfortable with those feelings and accept self-acceptance, and then what you want to feel, and then you're gonna allow yourself to feel what you want to feel, and then you're going to start to fully embody it. That's what tapping's about. And I showed you the eight meridians, and you write a script, or you could just do it on the fly, and that's what I'm gonna do, and you'll see that I'm just making it up as we go along, but I'm gonna do it on trust. And so the first is just the three karate chops, and so it's like this, and you can do it if you want. So I'm gonna say, you don't have to repeat after me, but I'll just leave, I'll say it. Even though sometimes I feel really triggered and afraid to trust someone important in my life, I still love and completely accept myself. Even though there are times where I get triggered and lose my cool, I still completely love and accept myself. Even though I still worry that my trust is going to be violated, I still completely love and accept myself. And after you've done those three karate chops, then you're gonna move into the tapping. And I will do one round of tapping for the I feel. And then I'll just give you an example for I want, I allow, and I am, so that we're not doing this, taking another 20 minutes to do the whole thing. You'll definitely get the idea. So I'm gonna tap and I'll say the things for what I feel, which is similar for what I'm forgiving myself for. I feel sometimes when my husband tells me he's

Building Trust In A New Marriage

Emily 33:45

going to a work meeting that he's really not, and I feel nervous to trust him. Sometimes I feel that when friends are telling me something that they're really lying and talking behind my back. Sometimes I get nervous that there are things going on behind the scenes in my relationship that I don't know. Sometimes I get really anxious in the middle of the night, waking up thinking my trust has been violated. Sometimes I really worry that I'm gonna be blindsided once again in my life in a relationship. Sometimes I worry that I'm not going to be able to recover from this breach of trust. Sometimes I don't believe what I'm being told about my husband's whereabouts. Sometimes I am worried that I will never be whole and be able to fully give myself to someone again. So we tapped on all the meridians, stating like our worst fears and the triggers that come up. Okay. And we calmed our nervous system while saying them. So that's helpful. And if you do that with here and there or some consistency, it really will help to alleviate that trigger response. Okay. And then we would tap saying what I want to feel. So I'm just gonna do one meridian, okay? I want to feel trusting and happy from my partner when he says he's going out with a friend to do something nice. And then you can say the same thing each meridian, or you could just use variations like I want to feel peace and calm when he's on a business trip, whatever it is. You say all the things, you go through all the meridians saying what you want to feel, and then you would do it again. I allow myself to enjoy my time alone while I have it and not be off worrying about what he's doing. So that would be, and I allow. And then I am, you could say, I am really grateful that I've done this work and I am able to relax and enjoy all the good things about my relationship and feel that I can trust in myself to manage whatever comes up. And that's also what I teach in terms of rebuilding self-trust. We have to rebuild our own self-trust and know that the only one in the world we have control over is our own selves, our emotions, our actions, and that whatever comes up in the future that we're gonna be able to navigate it and love on ourselves and get through it and remain intact. Sure, it might be hard, it might go through shit, this and that, and have pain because there is no life without some pain and difficulties. There just isn't.

Katherine 37:05

Yeah.

Emily 37:05

So just to know that and rebuild that self-trust is key. Thank you. That's amazing. I worry that if listeners are only listening and they don't see Emily, can you just again explain what the meridians are starting at the top of your head? Absolutely. I will describe them. And also if anyone were to message me, I can send them a diagram. Yay. So no worries. So you put the diagram in the show notes too. Okay, awesome. So the first one is the top of your head, and it's like the highest portion of your scalp, and you're using your fingertips. You can use them all, and you can just tap. Now you tap not aggressively, don't knock yourself out, but not like some way, like you want to really want to stimulate the meridian. Okay. A medium tap. So that's the very top highest point of your head. And then it's the brow bone close to the third eye there, above your eyebrow. That's the second point. And then you move to the side of the eye. So it's just the absolute center, just outside

You Are Not Alone: Hope And Support

Emily 38:20

the outer corner of your eye, right there. And then the bone underneath your eye, just where the well underneath your eye stops, that bone right there, you're tapping. And then it's equidistant between the bottom of your nose and your upper lip, in between there. Chin again, equidistance between your bottom lip and the bottom of your chin. Right there. Here on your chest, it is your this is your collarbone, right? Yeah. So it's like yeah, the middle, not the outer edge, not real close, but yeah. Like that tender spot. Yeah, the bone. Not the actual bone, but right around there, yeah. And then it's just under your arm. It's not in your armpit, but just right underneath the armpit. Okay. Those are the radians. And the karate chop is one flat hand. And then the other hand is also straight, but you're hitting you the flat of your palm with the side from where your pinky to your wrist is. It's hard to describe like that. That's a karate chop. Got it. Okay, good. And I'll send you the diagram.

Katherine 39:41

Thank you so much. This was so great.

Emily 39:45

So wonderful to see you and talk. I just loved it. I can't thank you enough.

Katherine 39:50

Good time and yeah, was awesome. You're awesome. Thank you for all that you do, really, and I admire you.

Emily 40:00

Back at you. I admire you so much. All right.

Katherine 40:05

I'll see you soon. Take care. You've been listening to Hip Talks, Original Music by Tracy Moore, and the Jazzy Fat Nasties. Podcast Editing and Sound Engineering by Zachary Trainer. If you like what you heard, please like and share and follow us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And if you make a comment, I promise I will respond.

Tracey Moore 40:39

Give for life to live your gifts again.