Episode 7 - Akeem Jones: Behavior Profiling & Hypnosis

Akeem Jones specializes in behavioral intelligence, training individuals and organizations to identify the unconscious forces that drive human behavior. His work integrates profiling, influence and persuasion, advanced interviewing, and hypnosis to reveal hidden motives and shape outcomes.

Website/training:
https://www.theabscenter.com/training

Youtube: @abstrategies

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Transcript

Host Intro And Show Setup

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hello everyone and welcome to Hip Talks. I'm your host, Catherine Hinchy. I'm a certified hypnotherapist, NLP practitioner, and Sherm Senior Certified Professional in Human Resources. After spending a decade working in the music industry, my path led me into the world of the healing arts, where science, energy, mindset, and transformation all meet. Each week, I sit down with a different healing practitioner to explore the many powerful modalities available to support our growth, well-being, and personal evolution. So come with me on this journey of discovery and learn about all the opportunities for healing and transformation that are available to all of us.

Guest Background And Expertise

SPEAKER_01 1:23

We have a really special guest today, Akeem Jones of Applied Behavior Strategies is here with me. Akim trains individuals and organizations to uncover the unconscious forces that drive human behavior. His expertise spans behavioral profiling, advanced interviewing, influence and persuasion and hypnosis, strategic tools that reveal patterns, bypass resistance, and shape outcomes. His approach goes beyond surface level techniques, helping others recognize hidden motivations and leveraging the loopholes of human cognition. All right. Oh, I'm so excited to talk about this topic today with you. So, in your own words, tell us exactly who are you helping and what are you helping them to do?

Who He Helps And How

SPEAKER_04 2:12

I do help individuals and organizations. My most common client right now are therapists, both traditional psychotherapists and hypnotherapists with HMI, others abroad as well. And then for individuals, it's usually anyone from state home mothers who want to better understand their kids to professionals out in the working field, have better leadership, have better negotiation skills, just to understand their whole team a little bit better. So from a both an organizational standpoint and an individual standpoint, you can use the tools that I'm providing. And we try to mold it to the individual in their life that they're experiencing. So it is universal, but we do try to tailor it as much as we can. So that's that's the general gist. It would be very helpful to those in security, law enforcement, military, but also to just everyday jobs as well. So just sales and teaching. That's kind of the targeted audience that I'm seeing right now.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

Could even see it being really helpful for school counselors or for folks who own a store.

SPEAKER_04 3:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

You know, just having that sort of sensibility. Or gosh, even a restaurant. You know, I remember in college working at Pizzeria Uno in New York City, we had to have security because it was just the clientele. It was just it was a rough time. I can just see how it would be really helpful to have that sort of training in anything that you're doing.

SPEAKER_04 3:38

Yeah, there's it's funny the places that you'll see it. I don't know if you've ever read the book Persuasion. It talks about influence and persuasion and the basic concept of it. And there's this salesperson and he's selling flowers. And the one of the way they found this in a study is if you want people to increase sales, do it in front of the flowers, right? Where the flowers are more approachable, they're less threatening, where people are buying things from his store just because of that simple priming his environment, essentially. So I thought it was really cool. So yeah, it's it's crazy where you can find the little pieces of influence in everyday life, as you mentioned before.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

And I thought even just marketing experts really study at this stuff. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:19

100%.

Military Roots And Early Training

SPEAKER_01 4:21

How did you get into this field? What brought you here?

SPEAKER_04 4:26

It's a cluster of things. When I was 18, I went into the military. The focus wasn't on any type of human behavior stuff. It was the military. I just I was young, I wanted to do it really bad, but I ended up taking a lot of lessons from it that turned out to be behavioral type stuff, and I didn't realize until years later. So just simply even going into boot camps, you'll learn something called like the Cooper's Color Code, which is situational awareness and how to stay aware to keep yourself safe in a dangerous situation. That's simple like boot camp stuff where I never thought much of it, but I always thought it was interesting to me. I started reading books because of it into human behavior. And I think that's how a lot of people start is they watch YouTube videos, they'll read a book, they watch movies. There's something there. So I did start getting into it a little bit after that. From there, I did go to other trainings, you know, how the body reacts under stress. When it was the first time I was introduced to the autonomic nervous system, I was like, well, that's even cooler. What else can I learn? And I ended up going to a really significant school

Survival School Lessons

SPEAKER_04 5:28

for me. I can't say the name of it, but I will say it's a survival school. And the idea of it is to keep yourself safe behind enemy lines if you get captured. And how do you resist interrogation, build rapport? How do you identify your captors' motivations and how do you use that to influence them if you can at all? That's where it clicked for me. That was the really significant part. I was still in the military at this point, and one of the instructors, we're in a scenario where we're captured for days, we hadn't eaten for days, we hadn't slept for days, and you're barely awake. And he was pretending to be the enemy. And he said, In my culture, you never show the bottom of your foot because I was in handcuffs and crisscross applesauce, and I was showing my feet to him, and he said that. And one of the first things I understood about nonverbal communication was that right there. I was like, Oh, I didn't even put it. I was like 19 years old, you know. So that really where it clicked in my head. I really like this stuff. I think it's really cool. I think it's very strategic, and you can apply it anywhere.

SPEAKER_01 6:31

In this training, did you actually not eat for days and not sleep for days?

SPEAKER_04 6:35

Oh no, that was for real. That was for real. There, it's a training scenario, so you know it's not technically real, but you really aren't eating and sleeping for days. Um, there's some other stuff that really makes it very serious. Although you know it's training, you are still going through those things, you know. So you have to take it very seriously, and you do naturally take it very serious, especially for like a 19-year-old kid. It was it was very impactful for me at that time. So that ended up being what clicked in my mind of I really like this stuff, it's very influential for me. And from there, I ended up teaching a lot of my Marines this kind of stuff. What I was allowed to share with them, I did from leadership and building rapport and looking for motivations. I was the psychology guy at that time, and not a lot of Marines are, and I loved connecting with them and I enjoy that part. But anyway, fast forward, I ended up going to college. I got my bachelor's in psychology, which was great because it taught me the baseline information of so many different things, very broad perspective, but I loved it. From there, I actually went up to HMI for the Hypnosis Motivation Institute, where obviously we're learning hypnosis.

Education And Training Path

SPEAKER_04 7:44

And what drove me to go to HMI was because I was reading into the CIA and how they had the MK Ultra program, which is the program they had for brainwashing. That amongst other things, and not that I was intending on brainwashing people, but it was fascinating to me. You know, like, wait, how do they do this? What's going on? Did it work? And so I wanted to learn hypnosis and found out that it's a huge part of influence and persuasion, not all of it, but it's a significant part in regards to our language, as you know. And then from there, I also did a psychological profiling course when I got out of HMI. And that's the course that teaches you how to profile personality from afar or at a distance, so you can profile presidents, any type of political leader, religious leader, things like that. So I had a vast amount of information where I'm getting the source of information from. And then from there, the last, I won't say the last step, but as of right now, currently, I'm in my master's program for applied behavior analysis, which comes at behavior from a different perspective. It's a combination of my military experience, my formal training in college, and then what I do now, which is applying it in every aspect that I can. And when you start from 18 to now, I'm almost 30 through trial and error, seeing what my weaknesses really are and the differences between reading it in a book and then applying it. So that's my journey where I'm at now, and a combination of everything to, of course, having applied behavior strategies teaching this stuff.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

That is fascinating.

Hypnosis, NLP, And Ethics

SPEAKER_01 9:17

All right, let's talk a minute about hypnosis. Obviously, we've all seen get out and we've all seen different movies and this and that. But to be honest with you, there is an element because you're changing the neural pathways in your brain through a hypnosis on purpose. When you're in that state, you're very suggestible. So is it possible to hypnotize somebody in a diabolical way? We were not taught that.

SPEAKER_04 9:42

We were taught that that's right not so the stuff that are taught at HMI, if you had ill intent and you had the skill to go with it, could you technically brainwash people? Is it likely? No. However, we can obviously modify behavior. That's what influence persuasion is, that's what any type of therapy is. I'm gonna give you a small example. There's a study that was done, it's very, very famous. They wanted to test people's memories and see how that changes and influence them. And the researcher had people observe a car crash. And the first group, she asked them how fast was the car going when it hit the other car. And they all said a number, it could have been like 30 miles an hour. And then the second time she asked a different group and she's asked them how fast was the car going when it smashed into the other car. And they all said it's like 60 miles per hour. And the only difference between the two was the word hit and smash. Changed their perception, it influenced how they thought something happened, even though they saw it for themselves. So it technically did prime a certain aspect of the brain, which technically is brainwashing to some degree. So could you do it? It is possible if you actually know how to do it. Is it likely to I don't know? It depends on each individual.

SPEAKER_01 11:10

Subconscious mind wired from childhood to do something, then you could have it turned on.

SPEAKER_04 11:15

Yeah, brainwashing is definitely possible. To answer your question whether it's successful or not, for the CIA, it was Steam's not as successful as they're wanting it to be, because they were using it hopefully to elicit information. Wasn't really working as they were wanting it to be, so they dropped the whole program. But definitely, yes, as we know, language patterns are extremely influential, and you can do it if you know what you're doing.

SPEAKER_01 11:34

So, do you utilize NLP and your work, neurolinguistic programming?

SPEAKER_04 11:40

So it's interesting because I was studying influence and persuasion before I took NLP courses, and there are so many crossovers, there are so many things that were similar. So I can't necessarily say what derived first, but I will say that NLP is effective for me. I use a combination of both what I've learned before, but also in the combination of NLP. Yeah, so I think it's effective.

SPEAKER_01 12:03

And how do you utilize hypnosis in your work now?

SPEAKER_04 12:08

So instead of using direct language patterns, I do use Ericksonian. So the more of covert language patterns. Hypnotic language patterns is a covert version of persuasion.

Covert Language And Persuasion

SPEAKER_04 12:20

And it's essentially we're using very particular words to cause a certain outcome. And it does bypass the unconscious mind because they're all words that are somewhat passive. Rather than me telling somebody what to do, we infer through our language on how to bypass the critical filter or basically the part of the mind that rejects information. I actually have a course that I'm creating right now that's part of that course for influencer and persuasion. There's some other stuff as well, but how we speak the language pattern is part of that.

SPEAKER_01 12:55

What part of the country are you in?

SPEAKER_04 12:56

I'm in Idaho.

SPEAKER_01 12:57

You're in Idaho. Okay. And do you see clients in person or is everything on Zoom?

SPEAKER_04 13:02

Or no, because my business is so new, I all as of right now, everything is online. And I'm we because I so I don't just have my own company. It's more about co-in it with my spouse. And she provides psychotherapy services, and I provide the training.

Business Model And Services

SPEAKER_04 13:16

The training right now is online courses that you can take by yourself, or you can do a one-on-one with me. That's what we're doing right now.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

Tell me about where this sort of interest came from.

SPEAKER_04 13:27

I never really thought about it. I was definitely more into the military as a kid. I always wanted to be in the military, but I definitely loved like most people, James Bond or Jason Bourne moves. I like them like anyone else. I don't know if it was the reason I got into it, but as a kid, since third grade, I wanted to be in the military. So I couldn't say if it was because of spy type stuff. I just like the idea of strategy. It's even in my business thing, applied behavior, strategies. You know, so anything strategic, whether it's the military or anything else, that's where the interest is.

SPEAKER_01 14:02

And where do you see your business going next? Like there's so many possibilities.

SPEAKER_04 14:08

Like I said, as of right now, it's just online and one-on-one training. Who knows where it goes next? I really don't know. I mean, I try to venture out and take opportunities when they present themselves. So HMI was the second opportunity that I took as in organization type training when I was for one of the speakers for the AHA and for the power hour. I took those opportunities.

Why Strategy Drives His Work

SPEAKER_04 14:32

I was questioning, I'm like, am I making the right move for the whole like AHA conference and not necessarily the power hour, but for the AHA conference that I did?

SPEAKER_01 14:40

The AHA is American Hypnosis Association, for those that don't know.

SPEAKER_04 14:44

Yes, thank you for that. So I volunteered to speak for it, and then I didn't know if they were going to accept it or not. I've been practicing it for over a decade, but I rarely had opportunities to teach a larger audience. So I was I was actually quite nervous because I was spending money to pay for a ticket to fly over there. I'm like, I hope I'm not wasting anybody's time. And so that doubt did come up. But as soon as I was there and they were filming it, it was almost like I snapped into it. I was like, oh, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, no fear in at all once I started speaking. But it was more of the identity of a new business owner that wasn't really established. Hopefully, I can continue to do things like that in the future to answer your question and just help bigger organizations.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

That's how I became aware of you is seeing you at the AHA conference. And I just was like, what is that? Combining it with hypnosis. My background is in human resources. That's right. So I immediately started thinking about all

Speaking, Doubt, And Growth

SPEAKER_01 15:46

the ways in which this would be so helpful and within organizations and with organization development and executive development, management development, anything like that. It just would be so useful. Do you ever come across where there are some people that just can't get it?

SPEAKER_04 16:05

I haven't come across people who can't get it. I don't think I've ever had that. I think people understand the general concept. I do try to keep it as simplistic as possible. There's a lot of big words in psychology, and sometimes they just get in the way. So I try to keep it as simple as possible. And perhaps that's helped. I'm not entirely sure. But so far, people have gotten it.

SPEAKER_01 16:26

Yeah, it seems when you did the conference, it seemed very approachable and it seemed like it could be applied very broadly. For anybody listening, how can they find you?

SPEAKER_04 16:37

I have a website, it is called theabscenter.com, and that's our main site. We do have a YouTube channel. There's literally nothing on it right now. Again, fresh new business. I believe it's called ABS Center. I'll try that out. I don't know. It's not popping right now, so I'm not too worried about it right now. But the website has the links for everything for our Instagram, for YouTube. So the website's the main part right now.

SPEAKER_01 17:03

Okay, great.

SPEAKER_04 17:04

I felt because I haven't talked about it too often. I felt like if you're okay with it, talking a little bit about linguistics and deception. That sounds great. Okay. So linguistics is the study of language and how

Accessibility And Learning Curve

SPEAKER_04 17:18

particular language patterns or structures reflect cognition for our mind. We'll talk a little bit about the types of deception, which are commission, omission, and impression management. And then there are lies of omission, which is when we leave out information or give partial truths. And most people lie by omission, like 90% of the time. And then there's impression management, which is when we try to influence how people perceive us. So if let's say somebody committed murder,

How To Find His Work

SPEAKER_04 17:57

and I asked, Did you commit the murder? And that person says, Hey, I've been a priest for 21 years. So that is the impression management, right? Where I'm going

Linguistics And Types Of Deception

SPEAKER_04 18:07

to portray a certain aspect of myself in the hopes that's what you focus on rather than the actual truth. And let's go over some verbal indicators of deception. And with any type of behavior, we use clusters. So we're talking about two or more. And this could be both verbal and nonverbal, but we're just going to talk about verbal for now. One of them is conveying versus swaying. Honest people tend to convey information. So if I asked my child, hey, where were you today after school? And they simply say, I went to the gas station and then I immediately came home. That is simply conveying the information. When you have somebody who's swaying, they add extraneous information. They might say, Oh, I went to the gas station and then I went to Jimmy's house and his dog was licking my hand for five minutes. I have no idea what's wrong with that dog. He has no right licking my hand. So it's all extraneous information that has nothing to do with the question being asked. So that's convey versus sway. Another one is spontaneous negation. And this is when we say what we did not do rather than what we did do. So if I asked you, hey, what were you doing after school? Well, I sure didn't go to Jimmy's house. It's so whether or not the person went to Jimmy's house is kind of irrelevant. It's the idea of focusing on what didn't happen rather than what did. Another one is text bridges. Now, text bridges are really important. Now they

Verbal Cues: Convey Vs Sway

SPEAKER_04 19:33

don't directly indicate deception. What they do is indicate withheld information because both truthful and deceptive people use text bridges. Now, what text bridges are, they are language structures that transport somebody from one setting to another setting. And these words, there's five of them. These words, these are what text bridges are, is so, when, as, after, and then. So somebody might if let's just say the same situation were were you after school, and they say I went to the gas station, then Jimmy's house, as I arrived home. So the words then transports that person from one setting to another. Same thing with as. As I got home. Everything before the word as that's a whole transporting that person from one setting to another. So those are three techniques just there, which

Spontaneous Negation And Bridges

SPEAKER_04 20:30

can indicate deception when there are clusters of deceptive behaviors. Another one is articles. So articles aren't necessarily deceptive cues, but they are really useful verbal indicators of things. So articles, there are three is a and the, right? A and and suggest plurality, so more than one. And then the is singular. So let's just say you're interviewing somebody from a crime scene and they say I grabbed the gun. It means that there was likely only one. But if they said I grabbed a gun, it suggests that there is more than one gun in that setting. So you're literally getting a blueprint of this person's mind of that past situation from just their language. And then pronouns. I mentioned pronouns and qualifiers in the AHA conference, but I'll mention it here. People tend to use less self-pronouns, so I, me, and my when they're being deceptive. And they use more second and third person pronouns. So you and your and they and them, because there's dissonance or psychological discomfort. So they push away any type of responsibility and start looking outward rather than looking inward. So an omission

Articles, Pronouns, Qualifiers

SPEAKER_04 21:43

or decrease in self pronouns tends to indicate deception. And the last one I'll talk about is qualifiers. And qualifiers, they mean a couple of things. One is decisiveness. If somebody uses words such as perhaps, maybe, likely, those are qualifiers. But qualifiers also occur when there's an increase in anxiety. So let's just say I'm talking normally, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then you ask me a question that could be threatening to me. And all of a sudden I start saying, perhaps, maybe, of course, with a c cluster of other things, that has shown an increase in anxiety for that particular question. So that would be a question that I would start investigating more.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

Interesting. And what if that's that you're asking that and the person is really considering? Could that be?

SPEAKER_04 22:32

Now when you say considering, are you saying that they're not for sure with the decision?

SPEAKER_01 22:38

Your example was did such and such happen? Or did you think about I could see myself in a situation like that saying and thinking, maybe perhaps I didn't let me think 100% right.

SPEAKER_04 22:52

No, I totally get what you're saying. So this is why where the importance of clusters come from, right? Because just one thing doesn't mean anything. There's not one behavior that absolutely signifies anything. So we have to use clusters. The other thing is to get a little bit more in detail, when we use moderate levels of qualifiers, so just here and there, that's more of what you and I would do. Because I I do the same thing, right? If somebody's gonna ask me something and I'm not sure, or I

Clusters And Limits Of Lie Detection

SPEAKER_04 23:18

want to think about it, I'm not gonna give an absolute answer. So this is where a moderate level of qualifiers does suggest a level of thinking, but also open-mindedness. If somebody spoke with 100% absoluteness, that tends to mean they can be dogmatic or closed-minded. I know many people who say everybody, always, never. These are words that are very absolute, which can mean that they are closed-minded. So that's a really good point that you're bringing out.

SPEAKER_01 23:45

Okay, is there more?

SPEAKER_04 23:47

I kind of actually just had a list of the most common ones there. I left it at that.

SPEAKER_01 23:51

So maybe can you string them together? Like somebody, let's why don't you be somebody really deceptive? Put those together. Let us hear what that sounds like.

SPEAKER_04 24:00

You said what does somebody sound like when they are deceptive?

SPEAKER_01 24:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:05

It'd be a combination of the two. So again, the most common this type of deception is omission.

SPEAKER_01 24:11

So if I'm trying to think of something else besides coming home from school, you don't have your homework or something for the teacher.

SPEAKER_04 24:20

Yeah, have you done your homework? So Jimmy hasn't done his homework. What do you think that is? I've asked my son a question, have you done your homework? And said, Well, Jimmy hasn't done his homework. What does that mean to you?

SPEAKER_01 24:32

If my son said that to me, I would say, I don't care what Jimmy does.

SPEAKER_04 24:37

Exactly, right? So when people fail to answer a simple question, that's a dead red flag right there, right? I'm just going to simply evade the question by not answering it again by by omission. They might also say, Okay, but I did my homework all last week. I have great grades. What's the problem? Okay, so again, there's a failure to answer the question, and there's also a

Reading People: Words And Body

SPEAKER_04 25:02

failure of responsibility looking outward. And there's a little bit of impression management there, right? Where just like how we talked about the priest, where I've been a priest for 21 years. Yeah. Why would I kill anybody? It's the same thing, but I've got the grades.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Why not?

SPEAKER_04 25:17

What are we doing? So yeah, there's a little bit of swaying rather than conveying, there's impression management, there's looking outwards rather than looking in. So this would be a cluster. Obviously, I'm trying to make it up, but this would be an example of how there's multiple things being done. And this is what I advise to people when it comes to deception. Let's say you see or hear two or more deceptive indicators. At this point, this doesn't mean deception. It's there's actually no way to 100% identify deception unless that person tells you that they did it and there's proof for it, or there's just proof. Yeah. You being filmed. But when this happens, when you have these indicators that pop up, what it means is investigate. Even for polygraphs or lie detectors, that's what they that's what they're called as polygraph machines, they don't tell you anything about deception. What it tells you is changes in one's physiological indicators, such as your galvanic skin response, or your sweating, your breathing rate and depth, right? It tells you things like that, your heart rate, but it doesn't tell you anything about deception. So there's no such thing as a lie detector, nor is there such a thing as a human lie detector. Us as humans, we assess behaviors based off of the indicators that

Watching Media Through A Profiling Lens

SPEAKER_04 26:34

we can hear and see, but there's no for sure way unless you have the evidence to back it up.

SPEAKER_01 26:40

And often evidence can be not that great.

SPEAKER_04 26:45

It depends on what you have. So that is a common misconception is believing that lie detectors and human lie detectors exist when they don't. But I will say that there are some really good, skilled analysts out there, and then there's some poor ones, or I may not say poor, but you know, those who are still learning as well.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

This is fascinating. This is the language part of it. And I understand for a podcast, this is really helpful because we're listening, right? But when you're training people, you're putting that together with also physicality, body language. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 27:19

So I want to make sure I understand the question. Are you saying are you combining both listening and observing?

SPEAKER_01 27:24

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 27:25

Yes, you were you are doing both. That's the whole idea, is you are both listening and observing one's behavior through what they say and what they do. The body is like a relay station for one's emotions and intentions, right? We are looking into the nonverbal behavior as indicators of one's psychology in that exact moment. And how this occurs is the limbic system, where the limbic system is that, I don't know if you remember from the AHA, is that little informant in the brain where it's telegraphing all of your intentions and emotions to everybody, whether we like it or not. On an unconscious

Alliances, Identity, And Influence

SPEAKER_04 28:06

level, it happens automatically. Of course, we can be aware. Like right now, I'm moving my hands, that's conscious. But just before I moved my hands, I wasn't thinking about it. So, yes, it is both looking into the nonverbal, but also paying attention to the verbal.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

When you watch television, whether it's a politician or uh just a famous person, are you looking to see if they are being deceptive?

SPEAKER_04 28:33

So I have several things to say about it. One is it depends on what I'm wanting to do. If I just want to relax and not think, even if something comes up automatically, like the blink rate thing, right? So even if something comes up and I notice it, if I don't feel like thinking, I'm gonna say, okay, sure. There's my cool, ignore it. And I'm gonna try my best to just focus on enjoying the moment. If I want to do something with intention, then I will invest into it. And I get this question a lot from friends or family where it's stop, stop analyzing me, things like that. But the problem is that imagine trying to think 24-7. That's not very fun. It would take a lot of effort. So when I'm trying to enjoy the moment, I turn my brain off and I choose not to focus and invest into things. And then if I want to understand something, then I will invest into it.

SPEAKER_01 29:26

Have you ever watched a celebrity or a politician? Oh, 100%. Whoa, look at that.

SPEAKER_04 29:32

Oh, 100%. Yes. So have I intentionally done done it or performed it just about everything. I've to some degree, right? Whether it's a reality TV show, whether it's a movie, interviews, interrogation videos. So I don't know if you've ever seen the show like Survivor or even heard of it. Yeah. It's one random group of people. They come together, they're stranded somewhere around the world, and they have to survive. I was just watching it yesterday. There's something called a dominance and status hierarchy,

Courses Coming Soon

SPEAKER_04 30:00

right? And this occurs when we are within a group of people, meaning one person or more, and we are essentially trying to establish status, prestige, or dominance. I haven't seen one time where this hasn't happened. Especially in the show Survivor, it has happened every single season, especially the first interaction when everyone's sizing each other up. This is where it happens. People use superficial characteristics to try to establish dominance. I'm a doctor. I've been in school for 10 years. I was in special forces. Whatever you can come up with, whether it's one's education, their training, their title, everyone's using some type of superficial characteristic to get higher on that hierarchy. And so I was watching it just last night. I was telling my wife about it, and we were talking, pickering back and forth about it, had a great time. So to answer your question, yes, I do use it all the time when I feel like investing into it.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

All right. To use your example of Survivor, that's when it's a fascinating show where people form alliances, right? Correct.

SPEAKER_04 31:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:07

And it's almost like junior high school in that sense. Wait, are they with me or are they really secretly against me behind my back? Kind of thing. And so are you able

Emergency Hypnosis Explained

SPEAKER_01 31:18

to, with your training, to suss that out?

SPEAKER_04 31:21

Yeah, I do have fun with that. I think it's great. There's been times I've been wrong, but most of the time I find myself having some accurate attribution with it, especially with identity so big when it comes to behavior profiling, psychological profiling. There's a guy called a dragon slayer. And watching his behavior, seeing how he's identified himself, how he wants to be identified, and how he's maintaining that narrative throughout the entire show. And if I was on the show, and I wouldn't do the show because of many reasons, that would be a great way to build alliances. Is if somebody has an identity of I'm the Dragon Slayer, that is a perfect opportunity to fulfill that need of significance and power and allow them to feel in control. And then once you have that alliance, at that point, for the game purposes, you could use that to influence and persuade that individual. It's kind of like NLP where it's like matching and mirroring when you match them to get them on your level. And then once they're on your level, then leave them where you want to go. It's the same concept, right? And yeah, Survivor is a great show.

SPEAKER_01 32:23

Okay, good. Kima, is there anything else you want to share with us today or anything you want to make sure that we know?

SPEAKER_04 32:31

I'll briefly cover the types of courses that are are incoming for the website right now. The only course that is 100% complete is the behavior profiling, which does release on October 15th, or people who want to just have a one-on-one with me to learn the same course but more intimate. I can do that right now. I already have one client. But outside of behavior profiling, there's psychological profiling, so profiling political leaders and things like that. Then there's the influence and persuasion course. There's the pre-attack

De‑escalation Story And Tactics

SPEAKER_04 33:00

indicators course. That's more of a personal safety course where it's people will display certain types of behaviors and facial expressions just before assaulting somebody. So that's great for security and law enforcement, but also just everyday people as well.

SPEAKER_01 33:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:15

So a lot of things coming up. I can't wait for those to release. It's been a long journey just trying to film these things and get them up and everything, but those are coming very soon.

SPEAKER_01 33:23

And I think when we first spoke, you did mention emergency hypnosis.

SPEAKER_04 33:28

Yes, correct. Yes, emergency hypnosis. I didn't even know what that was until I went to HMI and I saw the course that they had. So emergency hypnosis is using hypnotic language in crisis situations to de-escalate individuals, to get them in a calm emotional state and to reduce trauma. But it's also a good way to minimize physical pain as well, if somebody's in like a car accident or something like that. And I've learned how significant, as much as I love the other stuff, more of influencing others, I love the idea of being that helping hand when nobody else is there, nobody else knows what to do, nobody else knows what to say. That's what that course is. When somebody's in crisis, you can help them on an emotional and physical level to bring back comfort. So that's what that course is going to be.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

Would you utilize something like that in like a hostage negotiation situation? Which you can't do.

SPEAKER_04 34:18

Very possible. Yeah, very possible. Now I have no formal experience in any type of hostage negotiation, but it is using the same type of idea of de-escalating somebody, getting them back down to a level that is just less severe, and letting people know that you're there. Just the other day, there's some shouting going on in my apartment complex. My wife, she opened the window, she's like, There's somebody out there yelling. And there's these two people, each one of them had a dog, big dogs. I'm like, I'm gonna go out there. And I didn't even know if I could do anything. I didn't even know if I should do anything because I don't want to put myself in hard's eye either. But it's one of those things where military minds that you're running towards the side of gunfire kind of thing. I was like, okay, maybe I can help. Ran out there, and the other person with their dog left. But this other person, she's crying her eyes out. Her face is flushed, her dog looks scared. I was a little bit worried because it was a big dog. But anyway, I stayed at least 15 foot distance and I put my hands up so she can see my hands. And I said, Excuse me, my name's Akeem. You look like you're having a hard time right now. Is there something I can help you with? And she's trying to get herself together. I went down on one knee and I said, That looked terrifying. And I said, What's your name? I'm trying to get her mind busy off of what just happened. What is your name? I'm keeping her assigned to a task. And she said, My name is Marsh. Like, it's nice to meet you, Marsh. What's your dog's name? And she's like, His name, Rex, whatever. I can't remember the dog. I was talking to the dog real quick. I went back to her and again, I was trying to validate as much as I could, trying to get her distracted. And then I took a seat. We're in the middle of the street here. There's not many cars at all. And at that point, then I was going through the whole process of just trying to level with her, trying to get her to focus on certain things and bringing her somewhere else and letting her know she wasn't alone. And the one thing that I made sure I said was, Marshall, the worst is over. The worst is over. I'm here now. And that was the first time ever that I ever got to use it. I think it was like over a year now that I took the course that I was trying to apply. So awesome to be able to help somebody else when they were looking for it. Um, and those opportunities are pretty rare, too.

SPEAKER_01 36:22

Yeah, I live in New York City, so I don't think they're that.

SPEAKER_04 36:25

Anything on the street might not be so good.

SPEAKER_01 36:29

Lots of opportunities to deep de-escalate. Wow, that's a great story. Thank you. Thank you for sharing. This was so much fun.

Closing And Listener CTA

SPEAKER_01 36:39

Thank you, Akeem Jones, and thank you, everybody, for listening. And we'll see you next time.

SPEAKER_04 36:45

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 36:46

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SPEAKER_02 37:18

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