Episode 13 - Joe Tabbanella: What If Your Resistance Creates Your Fate

This week's guest is Joe Tabbanella, a certified clinical hypnotherapist and instructor at HMI—the nation’s first nationally accredited college of hypnotherapy, where he graduated with honors and now teaches. He’s also a certified trainer in NLP—Neuro-Linguistic Programming—and MER, the Mental and Emotional Release technique, helping people reduce stress, anxiety, and stuck emotions fast. Joe brings extra depth with certifications in Brainspotting, Open Focus, and biofeedback, plus he certifies others in hypnosis, NLP, and even the Law of Attraction. Right now, he’s on the team at Milestones Ranch Malibu, a top dual-diagnosis addiction treatment center, while running his own private practice in Woodland Hills—guiding one-on-one clients to drop limiting beliefs, process unmastered moments, and unlock their true potential.

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Speaker 1 0:00

Hello everyone and welcome to Hyp Talks. I'm your host, Katherine Hinchey. I'm a certified hypnotherapist, NLP practitioner, and SHRM Senior Certified Professional in Human Resources. After spending a decade working in the music industry, my path led me into the world of the healing arts, where science, energy, mindset, and transformation all meet. Each week, I sit down with a different healing practitioner to explore the many powerful modalities available to support our growth, well-being, and personal evolution. So come with me on this journey of discovery and learn about all the opportunities for healing and transformation that are available to all of us.

Welcome And Guest Overview

Speaker 1 1:36

He's also a certified trainer in NLP, Neurolinguistic Programming, and MER, the mental and emotional release technique, helping people reduce stress, anxiety, and stuck emotions fast. Joe brings extra depth with his certifications in brain spotting, open focus, and biofeedback. Plus, he certifies others in hypnosis, NLP, and even the law of attraction. Right now, he's on the team at Milestones Ranch Malibu, a top dual diagnosis addiction treatment center, while running his own private practice in Woodland Hills, guiding one-on-one clients to drop limiting beliefs, process unmastered moments, and unlock their true potential. And Joe Tabanella also happens to be my teacher and my mentor and my hypnotherapist. And I am so excited to have you here today, Joe. Thank you so much for coming.

Speaker 3 2:32

Thank you for having me, Katherine. It's a pleasure.

Speaker 1 2:35

Yeah, so your bio has a lot. So let's start with the people who seek out your healing.

Speaker 3 2:43

Well, it depends on where I'm at. If I'm at the rehab, it's people struggling with addiction and dual diagnosis. So I work with the therapist there. We have the best therapist in the world. And so I work using open focus, brain spotting, hypnosis, biofeedback.

Speaker 1 3:02

Can I stop you for a second there?

Speaker 3 3:04

Yeah.

Speaker 1 3:04

Can you explain for us open focus, biofeedback, brain spotting?

Speaker 3 3:10

There are different modalities. Like what I have found over the years, I'm a big principal guy. So I always look at the what's the principle of this intervention that's working, for example. So what I found is there's two basic principles. I think the Buddhists had it right years ago, right? There's just basically we are in trouble when we have too much aversion to things. We resist things, we repress things, we suppress things, which creates these attachments. Now I need things to be comfortable. And I'm trying to change the external world, which is impermanent, in order to be comfortable inside. So people try to change the external world to change your inner world, but you can't because the external world can change five seconds later, right? Yeah. What if it what if this award goes away, or what if this job goes away, or this person leaves me, or and so this is what creates most of the not only suffering, but inability to create the lives that we intend, these patterns. And so there are different interventions, and the imprint part is what one would call suggestions and hypnosis, or visualizing yourself as this person in the world, or affirmations, right? That would be the imprint part. But it's very difficult to imprint if there's a lot of resistance, because imprinting something positive would mean that you have to let go

Why Resistance Blocks Change

Speaker 3 4:30

of the tension around the negative emotions of the countervailing pattern, meaning the rejection. How do I imprint being loved if my nervous system never got comfortable with the feelings of being rejected? Right. So the many interventions that I always look for ones that help in that way. And open focus is a technique created by um Les Femi, who I studied with his wife. It's basically called alpha synchronous, is based on neurofeedback, but he was trying to create alpha waves in the brain. And he was trying everything and nothing was working. And one day he just gave up and he saw a spike in alpha waves. And he's like, What was that? Like, come on, I gave up. Alpha waves spiked in the brain. We'll talk about what alpha waves are in a second. Then he was working with his students and he was coming, he was trying everything, music, and of course, when your eyes are closed, alpha waves increase. But he was looking for like a high amplitude alpha waves, and he couldn't get it no matter what he tried. And one day he came along upon a hypnosis script, and it said, Now, can you imagine the space between your ears? Boom. I have videos of it because I've done it myself, and the the alpha waves come through the roof. It's shocking. Wow. Can you imagine the space that your hands take up in space through the roof? And not only the alpha waves, but the whole brain synchronized in alpha waves. What does that mean? The brain has activity, there are excited neurons and they're inhibited neurons, right? So we get excitatory neurons and inhibited neurons. Neurons, when they're active,

Open Focus And Alpha Regulation

Speaker 3 6:06

that part of the brain is more active. And when they're not active, that part of the brain is not so active. So in ADD, for example, the part of the brain that has selective focusing may not be that active. It may be more like what's called theta waves, like sleep waves. And when someone's anxious in the back of the brain, maybe have too much activity. We might call that anxiety or the temporal lobes, right? So when you are in alpha waves, the whole brain is in the idle frequency, like a car that's not breaking and not, you know, you don't have the pedal to the metal. And that means the brain is very relaxed. Well, he suspected, and I was able to prove this just watching people's heart rate variability, that your heart rate variability increased during this, right? And sure enough, anytime I've done open focus with someone, their heart rate variability increases, meaning the beats, the differentiation, the variability between each beat to beat in the heart, right? And so the greater the variability, the more regulatory capacity you have, the capacity to regulate your emotional discomfort. So you can feel terrified and still be doing a talk. You're able to be okay with the emotions. They don't take over, they don't put you into fight, flight, or freeze. They're just there with like alarms going off that you're ignoring. So the greater that capacity, the greater you get able to handle life. And that's the key to everything in life is intending something and getting through the challenges emotionally and mentally, right? So when you pay attention to space and not only space, but diffused space, the whole brain uh goes into this beautiful synchrony. So it feels like uh you're everything. Well, if you're everything, why would you be afraid? Because if you're space, one can say that's God. Being aware of what physicists might call the field zero point energy, who knows? But when you're aware of space, the whole brain goes into this beautiful synchronous wave. And then you can deal with emotions that were part of survival when you forgot you were also this awareness or consciousness that hung out in space. You forgot that you were that and you were just a mammal trying to survive survive. And so by activating that system, you give the body a resource to process negative emotions through.

Speaker 1 8:30

And do you do that while in hypnosis?

Speaker 3 8:34

It is a form of hypnosis, but as soon as you take them into it, it's really an intervention getting them into that alpha state that's very close to theta. So it's a combination of hypnotic, hypnogogic state almost, but at the same time, it's a mindfulness state. So it's not breaking the inhibitory process, it's building the inhibitory process where you can hang out with the negative emotions rather than dissociate from them.

Speaker 1 9:00

Okay, open focus and biofeedback.

Speaker 3 9:04

Biofeedback, actually, that's how we measured open focus through brainwaves. So biofeedback is a um, you're using tools to self-regulate to come from a stress response into a low arousal response, but you're using the machine that you're looking at as a feedback mechanism. It's taking signals and amplifying them on a screen. So you get to see when your brain waves are high if you're using neurofeedback or if you're using peripheral biofeedback. You get to see if the muscles are tight or the skin conductance is coming up or down. You basically get to see the arousal state of the brain or body. And you, because of the feedback and intention, which we'll get into in a minute, because of intention and feedback, you recognize that the body's always listening to what you're intending and what you like. And as soon as you start liking it, your brain starts doing it for you. It were even able to do this with cats. Cats were able to change their brain waves based on feedback, and their feedback was chicken broth and milk, for example. So I really want that for my cats. Yeah, yeah. So every time the cat, every time there was uh the cat happened to be in a certain frequency in the brain, the milk and chicken broth would be released. And the cat basically went, Wow, this was good, and then it did it again. This was good.

Biofeedback As Measured Mindfulness

Speaker 3 10:24

And the brain started figuring out that every time it was in a certain state, the milk and chicken broth would be released. So it started happening every time that the cat had a desire, an intention.

Speaker 1 10:35

Oh my gosh. Wow. And then brain spotting.

Speaker 3 10:39

Brain spotting is a technique where you I'll show it to you right now, ready? Think about something that triggers you.

Speaker 1 10:46

Okay.

Speaker 3 10:47

Okay. Now feel it in the body, and now look at my finger. Is this pretty much straight? Yeah. Okay. So look at my finger and keep feeling that feeling, and let me know if it gets stronger when I go this way. Or okay, does it get stronger when I go up? You can go off the screen if you need to, or down. Up. Like right here or higher? There. Right there. Okay. So if you keep your attention there, you're essentially putting yourself in the state where that emotion got stuck. The idea is that your eyes might have been in that quadrant when you were emotionally charged. And so by being present with it, this person through attunement and like us, giving you a sense of spaciousness and attunement, this person becomes the parent you needed when you had these emotions. You see, when a child has intense emotions for whatever reason, it could be their physiology, their sensitivity, a predisposition, it doesn't matter, or an event, they're supposed to learn to accept life, and the emotions are supposed to come and go, and life may still stink, but now they feel like they're not alone, and then they can find new ways to adapt to life, healthy adapting, you know, mechanisms. You know, maybe I'll

Brainspotting And Stuck Emotions

Speaker 3 11:59

martial arts or, you know, to for the bully or whatever. But if that emotion is not processed, the brain kind of holds on to that image as a zombie that keeps protecting, uh projecting, and the feelings stay in the body. And we call it boredom or restlessness, but it's really just that moment that never got comfortable. So now we have all these behaviors to protect ourselves from that situation ever happening, being left, being criticized, being bullied, embarrassed, not feeling good enough, whatever it is. So we spend our time manipulating the world, never to feel that. So we're essentially doing is activating the charge and keeping that person in that charge while the attunement gives it space. And that's why I like uh brain spotting, because in a sense, you're doing open focus, spaciousness, expanding your awareness. So there it is. See those emotions get to move right through it, like comets through space. And when space forgot it was space, it went like this to the comets, but all the motions, energy and motion is trying to leave. They try to leave, they're trying to move, they're trying to come and go. Like guests, I think when we said that, they guests they come and then they go, you stay in the house, not the guests, right? And so as soon as we push that emotion, that emotion is now driving, you know, creating havoc in our lives. It's not doing it for a negative reason, it's not sabotaging us because it hates us, it's just trying to protect us from ever feeling that again. So maybe if I scream loud enough, you'll give me what I want. Or maybe if I get really sad or dysregulated, maybe you'll come to my rescue. Whatever it is, that emotion is what's controlling our behavior because we said this is unbearable, the emotion. What we're doing is integrating those emotions again whenever you're you're doing it. So I kind of combine everything. I combine biofeedback, brain spot and brain spotting, open focus, inner child, like parts integration, what psychologists call IFS, for example, and with that child, and we give that child room. So then you, that person, the client, becomes the parent to your own emotions. And that's when the frontal lobes start lighting up and the inhibitory process starts to build if it's able to hang out with this emotion with rather than having this child hijack us. And when it hijacks us, it either fights or flees or it freezes or it acquiesces and fawns, you know. And so by being comfortable with the uncomfortable, you can make decisions based on your thinking brain rather than your emotional brain. Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 14:33

Yeah, it makes sense. And I have to imagine that you are operating so much from a place of intuition because there's not one, you know, now we do this, now we do that.

Speaker 3 14:47

No, everyone's different. It's just like you have to be present with an intention and get out of the way. You trust something else is taking over.

Speaker 1 14:54

Yeah. And also with dual diagnosis, people are struggling with addiction, which in my mind feels like it almost always goes together. Can you talk a little bit about that and clarify dual diagnosis?

Speaker 3 15:08

Well, oftentimes, not always. I mean, if you if whenever someone floods the brain with copious amounts of dopamine, it could be sugar, it could be gambling, it could be pictures of naked people, you know, in everywhere, the brain goes, Oh, what's all this dopamine? Holy cow! And the and the dopamine receptors, they start to downregulate. And so when the dopamine disappears, we're just uncomfortable, period. Right? It's just physically uncomfortable. We're just feeling, and it feels like emotionally uncomfortable. And then the brain says, We need to go back to baseline. It becomes like a seesaw, right? So every time you flood it this way, when it goes back to baseline, it goes a little bit more this way. So you become more sensitive to the discomfort and more desensitized. What's called tolerance. You need more and more each time until you're miserable. I mean, we all have seen this, right? At one point, we can't even watch a movie and enjoy unless they were chips or popcorn. That's what that is. It's like I can't take a moment and enjoy it. I'm always feeling uncomfortable and I need chips or popcorn. Now, that's one aspect of addiction in itself, withdrawal

Addiction And Dual Diagnosis Explained

Speaker 3 16:15

and tolerance. But the other is emotional coping. That's the big one. That's where the dual diagnosis comes in. Like oftentimes depression, anxiety. Someone has got these fluctuations in their mood, mood disorders, or what happens is the as soon as the brain feels a ton of anxiety, for example, because it's unprocessed, maybe unprocessed trauma, or just they never learn to master aspect of life, rejection. Maybe they got a parent screaming. Who knows? Maybe they get bullied. It's not just the trauma, it could be the person's sensitivity, their predisposition at that moment, or their personality type. It is a confluence of many reasons why this would happen. But as soon as those emotions are uncomfortable and we are not comfortable with them, especially if a parent's not comfortable with them. When a parent's not comfortable with the child's emotions, they're supposed to do the brain spotting thing, like be with them, life stinks. I know, but we're gonna get through this together, must be really sad. And then the child starts feeling they're not alone as they face the world. It's things still, but they're alone, and then they can come up with the central nervous system up here, they can figure out new ways of dealing with it. But if they don't make it up to the central nervous system because they're emotionally down here, there's no adaptations, it's fight, flight, or freeze, right? And so, and so when a parent is with the child, and parent, I found that parents have, because I'm a parent, any parent listening knows exactly what I'm saying. We have when we have uncomfortable emotions around a child's anger or sadness, depression, or even behavior, what Jung called the shadow self. We can't accept the mischievous child or a sensual child or a lazy child or a aggressive child, right? Because it's something we never integrated inside. So when a parent sees a child suffering, emotionally suffering, it triggers our fight-flight response if we haven't dealt with our own stuff. And parents have a tendency to do one of three things instead of what we talked about, like just being

How Families Teach Coping

Speaker 3 18:11

with them until a solution comes up. They either repress it, stop it, stop it, stop it. I'll give you something to cry about, stop crying, stop crying. So the child has to repress it. Now I find I suspect in the researchers that believe, I don't know if there's any hard science on this, that that is the precursor to asthma and things like that, skin eczema, and like problems, right? I don't know anything about that. I haven't I've heard a lot about it, I've heard doctors that I respect talk about that, but I haven't read any studies on it. So it's a suspicion that a lot of problems happen because when you release that emotion, the problem goes away, like IBS. I've seen IBS go away, not indirectly, like people, you know, when you're working with the emotion. So that's that pattern. The second pattern is when parents can't handle the emotion, they enable them. I'll do it for you, I'll do your homework, I'll fix that thing for you. Oh, where's that teacher? Where's that bully? And so the child starts getting this pattern because nobody wants to have a hard life. It's an efficiency machine. It doesn't want to struggle. And so if it finds that I don't have to learn something or overcome something or deal with something because someone's gonna come to the rescue, it starts to build that pattern every time it's uncomfortable, it gets the message emotion's bad, someone else fixes us, not us. We don't overcome it. And so that might lend itself to attracting people in our lives that are codependent. And we just unconscious, all unconsciously, if I complain enough, you're gonna let me, you know, sleep on your couch, or if I complain enough, you'll give me money, or you'll take care of that for me, or you'll help me with that, because I I haven't mastered that moment called industry versus inferiority, possibly, or something like that, right? And haven't really mastered something, and someone seems to come to the rescue whenever I'm uncomfortable. And yet, when you're uncomfortable, you're about to figure it out for yourself. But in that moment, the brain shuts off. So that's the second pattern. The third pattern, what I find is distraction. Let's go get some ice cream. Well, let's buy you something because they can't handle handle the emotions. And that can be a precursor to an addictive pattern, chemic, negative emotion, bad. Ice cream, dopamine, good, negative emotions, bad, sleep medication, good. You know, whatever it is, or gambling, good, uh, a toy, good, shopping, good. Then it starts to create that pattern. This is not something that you can set your clock to, but you see that that pattern is is pretty common. Not always the case, but you'll see that that's one of those possibilities of what people do with their own emotions. Because if we're not comfortable with our emotions, we have to do something to stop feeling them or to distract ourselves from them or to repress them. And that's where those patterns start. And so, dual diagnosis, you know, working with doctors, medication, they're working with therapists, family therapists, family systems, family um connections, and and better communication, and then with hypnosis and biofeedback and brain spotting and other things like that that help them integrate those emotions so they can find new ways of dealing with that challenge rather than repressing it.

unknown 21:17

Yeah.

Speaker 1 21:18

So I know we talked about this before, and you've shared your hero's journey story many times, but I would love to hear because it's a differing audience with this show and hear how you came to this kind of healing work.

Speaker 3 21:33

Okay. Well, it started when I was 19. I needed money really bad. And I was like a good Catholic praying to God. I need 5,000, I need five, which is like probably 27,000 today or 20,000 for something like that. Fool collar kid. My parents had no money to give me. I really needed the money really bad. And I kept praying and praying and praying and praying and praying. I had this little intuitive voice show up after weeks of like looking for signs because there's the pick four in New York, and it was five thousand dollars. I kept playing the pick four of the four numbers and I kept and a voice showed up that's been with me all my life. And it it's not like a hallucination. It's an intuitive neuroscientist would call the wise advocate. And it always asks great questions. That's why I wish I was this kind of therapist. This that the questions alone would create change. These wonderful Socratic questions, right? Which is, who are you praying to? It's just like praying to God. Like, what do you think? Let us, and it said, let us ask you a different way. Again, it's just an intuitive voice. I'm not saying it's hallucination or spirit guides, although they did say us, what I find interesting. As you can see, I'm very skeptical and cynical at times. But I have to also respect when something works, right? So they said, if God was here, would you ask it for $4,000, uh $5,000? And I thought to myself, it? But I understood what it meant. Like if I'm praying to something to help me, this thing better be omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient.

Joe’s Origin Story With Intuition

Speaker 3 22:56

I mean, it better be the all that is. And I even at that age at 19, I understood electrons and the spaciousness between electrons and how atoms are. That means anything that's going to help me is got to be the underlying field underneath all these electrons. You know what I mean? Like underneath all these atoms, the lottery, the car I wanted, the money, the people picking the lottery balls, you know, the tubes, everything. And uh I said, yeah, I'm praying to God. I said, think about it. Would you? I said, yeah, think about it. And they asked again the third time, think about it. And went, or I'll think about it. If God was here, okay, let me know what you think about that. And I imagined this was an hallucination. This is me imagining trying to get into it, this white light splitting open space-time, like coming out, the thing that underlies everything. And I was filled with awe because I really got into it, like, and it hit me in that moment. If I was praying to God and God was everything and in everything, omnipotent, omnipresent object, then I am everything. I'm the lottery, I'm the the guy I own money to, if you know what I mean. I I was the car I needed, the car that was totaled the I was the the the tubes, I was everything. And it reminds me of a a Buddhist monk who said, I read years ago, you've probably only six years ago, this happened when I was 19. It said, I became a giant with millions of eyes, but looking through just two of them. That's what the feeling was. Like I was everything. I just happened to be aware of this aspect of all that I am, looking through these eyes rather than anyone. But I was in everything and through everything.

Speaker 1 24:37

That just gave me goosebumps.

Speaker 3 24:39

Oh, it's it's the thing that I have to remind myself of whenever I'm in a wanting state. I have to remind myself of this situation because it was the beginning of how I was very curious about what this was, right? So I surrendered in that moment. I said, I'm everything. What why would I want anything? I'm everything. I'm the fear, I'm the wanting, I'm the guy, and I know money to I is this, I was that, I was everything. So I remember saying, Whatever you want, all that is, do, because you must know better than me, because I'm that's the part of me that's with it connected to everything. It would know better than my little brain, my little separate, I'm a human being, not one with everything brain. And in that moment, I just was free. And I just started walking out of my house. I walked down the street, didn't know why. Wasn't looking for the lottery, looking for the sign. I thought ketchup bottles were a sign from God. License plates almost cut me off. Five eight two seven. Yeah, that feels good. You know, I went to the lottery and I'm walking down the street, don't know why I'm walking. I'm completely in the moment in my body without wanting, without attachments or aversions, and completely free. And all of a sudden I'm standing in front of this convenience store, don't know why I'm there. And I said, Oh, what am I doing here? Oh, this is the place I play the lottery every day. I might as well walk in since I'm here. But I just walked in and I said, might as well play the number I played every day, which was the license plate of the car that was totaled. I play that and whatever I was assigned for the day. And I had no sign, so there's no reason to be there, funny enough. And all of a sudden I got my sign, which I didn't think anything of. A human being. I played my 3159, and a woman next to me says, play this number. Trust me, I've been playing it long enough. And she gives me four numbers. I didn't think anything of it. I was in the moment, everything. There was no more wanting, there's no more aversion. I just said, Whatever she said, I didn't think anything of it. And I was free. It was just like being free. My friends thought I was crazy because they knew I owed somebody money and I did have like pricing cars down in Philadelphia. And they're like, What are you doing? I was just like, I'm gonna go to auction, get a car. They're like, What are you gonna be like running on the land? Like, what are you talking about? I said, I don't know. I can't I can't explain it, but I have five thousand dollars. And uh that I didn't even call that night. Normally I would call 7:47, whatever the time was. It was around almost eight o'clock when you called. Didn't come out. I didn't care anymore. I was completely free. And I didn't even call. The next morning I woke up. I was living at my parents' house at the time, and I remembered I didn't didn't call. And I called and told me four numbers. I said I lost. Wait a minute. That sounds familiar. I go upstairs, find the the other number that the woman told me. I went back down, called again, and I was just like, How did this and I hung up the phone and I said, wind can come by and blow this ticket out of my hand and it wouldn't matter? And the voices came back, the intuition came back and said, That's why you want it. Now go figure this out. And I spent 20 years, night and day, trying to figure out what that was. And I started looking for any science or any science of mind or science of prayer or subconscious. And I started reading these books where people were saying the same thing about the state, Neville Goddard, the state of the wish fulfilled. And I was trying to figure it out, and I got addicted to it. I was addicted to figuring out to such a degree, I was high on talking about it, but I wasn't really doing it. I would do it once in a while, and something would happen. I'd be like, wow, how did that happen? And it would be fleeting, you know. And I was talking about for 20 years and learning about it. And at one point, and I could have given seminars on it, I was so obsessed with it and so excited about the possibility. And then one day, because I was an actor at the time, I was almost 40 at that time, and I was talking about the law of attraction, and I was an actor and no, no agent, no, no credits to really speak of. And the bartender next to me says, Why don't you go manifest the gin and tanks for that guy with this? And I realized I was full of it. I was just talking about it, and I didn't really do what I knew I needed to do. So I've decided to, I committed to it. I said, in three months, if I'm a working actor, you come in, come to me and tell me what I did, and and I will teach you. I just spent three months reprogramming my brain based on the insights this intuition was giving me, and I just kept doing it every time I was confused. It was like a nudge. Well, why don't you do that? I'm saying, I never thought of that. And uh three months later, I was like on a TV show. It was just a nighttime soap opera, but I didn't have to bartend anymore, and that's what my intention was. And I did like 65 episodes of TV, and then I did another one, and then I did a movie. I was so blown away that every time I put something in my subconscious mind and trusted that it was doing everything for me. I was so blown away, I spent more time helping the extras than I was actually working on my my part. That's when I realized I really need to be doing this, but then something happened in my life or took me off that track, a health issue. And then I had to deal with the health issue, and then I was fine. And then I decided that I wanted to do this for a living. So I started looking for anything that touted the principles that worked, and it was hypnosis, neurolinguistic programming, and the mindfulness aspect of biofeedback, because all biofeedback is measured mindfulness. Like I'm aware of something and I have an intention. That's it. You don't do anything, you just would like something and you're aware of something. That's what biofeedback is, and and then it works on reward. And so I started studying those things and came up with my own way of looking at it, and it's and uh that's what I do now.

Speaker 1 30:29

You were saying before we started recording that you figured out the matrix.

Speaker 2 30:35

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 30:37

Do you want to share? Because I'm very like logical and science-minded, I'm not a scientist, but I'm science-minded, I'm very well aware of pattern recognition, you know, or confirmation bias, which simply means that if I want to find something, I'm gonna find it, you know. Oh, look, 1111, oh, that's a sign, you know what I mean? But what when it's not a sign, like what? So, you know, oh, God gave me this. Well, what about when you didn't get it? The God didn't want to give it to you then. Like, what's the law? If there is a God and there is something helping us, what's the law? How how do we tune in? Is it just grace? Is it hope? Are we affecting something? Are we just surrendering? What happens, you know? And so what I realized is believe it or not, came from neurofeedback. And I realized when I was talking about neurofeedback, I realized, oh my God, this is how the brain works for everything. And it's a very practical way of looking at things of how the brain works, very neuroscience, right? But at the same time, it becomes magical. But you got to go through the practical first before it becomes like synchronistic and you know, these happen stances that just show up out of nowhere, these synchronicities, like you know, but you have to you can't go for them, you have to go into the practical, and this is how it works. In

Neurofeedback And The Brain’s Learning Loop

Speaker 3 31:49

neurofeedback, let's say you wanted to bring up a certain frequency amplitude in the brand, right? Okay, you can see the frequency on a monitor, or it gets transduced into like a race car, and every time you bring it up, the race car moves, or the frequency increases, and you get to see it. So a practitioner comes along and says, I'm just making these numbers up. You're at 500 millivolts, we want a thousand, and you got this thing on your head, and your eyes are open because you're bringing it up with the eyes open, you want to bring it up, and you're going like this. You're not gonna do it because you don't know how to directly force a brainwave directly, right? So the practitioner can't help you that way, but what they do instead is they bring it down to about let's just say 7% of your baseline. So now bring it up to like 530 millivolts. So here's your threshold where it's at. And they said, just bring it up to this. Same thing. Oh, nothing's gonna happen. But as life would have a tendency to do, life is variable, it's not static. And so sometimes in your intention, which is the only thing you really have in that moment, I know what I want, my intention, and you're looking at it, looking at it, looking at it, and you're trying to bring it up, nothing's happening, and all of a sudden life would have it sometimes as 5 30. And you'll get the reward, and you'll go, Oh, I did it. The light will go out, the sound will go out, and you'll go, like, what did I do? I don't know what I did. But the brain's listening and knew that you had an intention, and you were happy that the intention seemed to almost show up. So then you try again, and you're trying. This like the cat trying to eat again, and all of a sudden the cat does something, doesn't know what it's doing, and all of a sudden it has this spike. And then we go, Oh my god, there it is again. And at one point, the brain starts getting it. The more you get out of the way and just like it and intend it, the more the brain can do its job. It's trying to help us. We don't need to help it. We just intend and just notice if it's getting closer, like the game, hotter, colder, hot. But we always know where the thing is. So we don't mind the colder. We're just like, no, that's not it. It's we're more excited about the warmer, warmer, warmer, right? And so you do that, and all of a sudden you on through intention, you raise that frequency. And you think now you can do it. Can't do it. The brain did it, the subconscious did it. You just intended it and noticed what you liked, and it was like this servant, loving, caring servant to give you what you wanted because you're not yelling at it or you're just asking for it, right? Okay, and then next thing you know, you're you're at 600 and then 700. Again, the numbers are just an example of gradation. So if you look at things through that lens, this is how you learn to walk. You saw parents walking, you thought, wow, they got across the room pretty well. I want in on that. And you started imagining with the mirror neurons that you doing that thing, and the brain was actually going, wow, this is really cool. So then the subconscious starts sending cortisol and dopamine through your system to want it. You don't send dopamine through your system, right? And then electromyography, like the the brain starts sending signals into the muscles. You don't send the signals into the muscles, you have the intention, the brain sends the signal, you're not strong enough. So every day you're trying to lift, you can't, and at night the muscles start to heal and get stronger. You don't heal the muscles and break them down and heal them, right? And then you start to stand up, and the brain starts the cerebellum starts to create balance, you know, starts to give you a sense of you don't do you don't know what to do with the cerebellum, right? And then all of a sudden you're walking, and you think, we think when I walk from here to the kitchen, I'm doing it. All I did is intend it. And at times it took my brain a year to do something like talking or walking, right? And so when people say I can't juggle, I can't do math, what they're saying is I never intended it long enough and made it important enough in my brain to catch up to it. So let's look at it as a very simple metaphor, okay? If you wake up in the morning, there's two parts of the brain at play here. It's one is called the RAS, the reticular activation system. It doesn't really matter. Who even knows if it's really true? They'll probably find other networks, but let's just say there's a part of the brain that's scanning or self-referencing stuff that's important emotionally, right? And then there's another part of the brain called the uh salience network. That's the part of the brain that goes, oh, that's the thing we want. Oh, that's the thing we don't want. It's like what they call the oh shit network, the neurology, right? So if you just wake up and you go, today I'm gonna find 20 blue Teslas, guess what your brain's gonna be scanning for? Blue Teslas. Guess what your brain's gonna be ignoring? Just about everything else in the world. It's gonna be present to it, but it doesn't care because it got the message. That's my intention. Every time we see the blue Tesla, we get a little hit of reward, neurofeedback, more, and the brain goes, Oh, I know how to find that. It starts really scanning, and then the weird things happen where all of a sudden, like, you're on the highway and three blue Teslas come by. You know, that's the weird stuff, but we don't have to get weird yet. We just know that the brain is just scanning for it, and then we'll find it if it's scanning for it, right? I start scanning for these blue Teslas. But what would happen if you woke up in the morning and you said, Today I'm gonna find 10 blue Teslas? I hope no red Teslas. Well, you know, I hope no red Teslas. I hope I don't put them to any.

Red Teslas Blue Teslas Templates

Speaker 3 37:21

I can't handle red Teslas. I don't like red Teslas. What's your brain gonna be looking for? Red Teslas. And every time you see one, that same network, sales network, goes, ah, there's another one. So now the blue Teslas become what's called fantasy. I just wish there were more blue Teslas so I wouldn't have to deal with all these red Teslas, but you're the one who dealt with them in your brain. They're not out there. They are out there, but your brain got the mention uh the message that the blue Teslas were a fantasy because you're more interested in getting rid of red Teslas. That's how it works. And that red Tesla represents unprocessed stuff that we never came to terms with there. That's why you use brain spotting, open focus, biofeedback, EMDR, tapping, IEMT, you name it, anything to discharge phosphia we do in in NLP and M E R you're discharging the superfluous excess potential and energy that you didn't need. It seemed like you need it in the beginning. Like what's that? A mouse, but do you need all that energy for a mouse? No, you don't. You just like relax and then get rid of the doesn't mean the mice are okay, doesn't mean the red Teslas are okay. It just means that you don't need this.

Speaker 1 38:35

Is this what they mean when they talk about your outer life reflects your inner mind?

Speaker 3 38:43

Yeah, your mind is a map, it's a template, and there's only three templates based on that. What we just talked about. There's the red cars, the things we can't accept in life, betrayal. I gotta be honest, I can't stand it, you know, lies. There's nothing wrong with not liking that. But when it's a fight-flight, it has no reason for being in fight-flight. Right, right. It's not gonna kill you, it could, but it still doesn't need fight-flight. So that's the first template. If that template isn't resolved, that's the most important template. That's what Ford called repetition compulsion. We keep looking for the pattern to fix it rather than just look for the blue cars, right? And what Colin Jung said, uh the shadow self, whatever repressor can't be, we start to it creates our future, creates our fate, and and we keep experiencing that. So it's this kind of pattern that whatever you resist persists in this sense. That's the first template. Second template is the fantasy. What's the opposite of that? So it's something that we keep out of reach, a hope. And the reason why sometimes we hold on to it is because when we get close to those blue cars, so to speak, we get dopamine hits, like a reward, like we're getting closer. Oh, that person called me back. I may get that job, and then we go, oh, and then, but then we get we get addicted to the high of hope rather than the receiving chemistry, which is lower realms or not higher realms. It's like, oh, we it's appreciate that's why appreciation is so important, right? And the third template is exactly that. I'm gonna look for a blue course today. Like everything is neutral, everything's great. I'm not judging anything, things are horrible sometimes. I'm going to the beach. They're a bunch of thorn bushes in the wagon. Uh the necessary evils to get to the beach. Ow, ow, ow, but I'm staying with the beach. I'm ignoring them, I'm not denying their existence. I'm feeling them, welcoming them, recognizing that it's just getting close to the beach and it's there, and there's nothing I can do about it. It's a serenity prayer. I'm not going to try to fight things I can't fight. I can just intend and maybe find ways around it, but sometimes things hurt. Sometimes things are sad. And so as you as we start to focus more on what we want and loving that and intending that, we sort of have to let go. That's what the open focus is about. That's what self-regulation is about. It's saying yes to this, so we can say yes to that. But if you say no to this, that becomes fantasy, that becomes an attachment.

Speaker 1 41:00

This is really helpful and clear. And I can't wait to go back and listen to this again and again. It's just so that you can really sink in and and and grasp it and be able to utilize this knowledge to help others as well. Joe, I know that you recently had a couple of independent films that you were working on. And so you're kind of coming back into this world, this creative world. Do you want to talk about like how the work you do in the healing has influenced your creative self?

Speaker 3 41:31

Yeah. When I was wanting to be an actor, although my very nature obviously is storytelling, right? My nature is storytelling. That's an actor, that's a writer, that's a director, that's storytelling, right? That's that's the art of the storyteller, right? It's acting or directing or doing plays. But when I was wanting to do that for a living, it was really wanting fantasy of the blue car. The blue car meant for me, I belonged, was valued, and I never felt valued. I had red cars that I didn't like, and I worked hard to make sure they didn't show up. How? I was like the best bartender. I worked, I would never say no to anyone. I worked, I remembered 10 orders at once beyond the bar. I mean, I would cut my hand open, tape it up, and make sure. Like I like I I wanted to be valuable, but really I was fighting the red car of not being valuable, right? So what I realized is those three months I was talking about, I started imprinting the blue cars and being okay with the red cars. I started feeling for the first time in my life

Creativity Healing And Filmmaking

Speaker 3 42:34

what would feel like what I thought I wanted. And what I really wanted, more than even storytelling or is to just be light, be welcomed. I wasn't an aggressive person because you can still get there by being aggressive. If you take enough action and if you're grit and determined, you'll get anywhere. I mean, you'll take you knock on someone's door, you're enough doors, you're gonna sell your pots and pens, ask someone out enough times, they're gonna say yeah. Yeah, I just wasn't that kind of person. So I was between a rock and a hard place. I wasn't driven enough to go against my red cars, but I also didn't have enough blue cars, you know what I mean, to move towards. So it was really uh rock and a hard place. So once I imprinted the blue cars, so to speak, and I was okay with all the red cars and the emotions around them as part of life, it's called disappointment. It's called sometimes people don't really want me around. Sometimes people don't really care about some people hate me, you know. And once I dissolved that with all those techniques we're talking about, I imprinted blue cars and I started, and then that day, literally the day, three months to the day. I don't know if it was to the day, but three months later, like I was chosen for the first time. I felt wanted, I felt chosen. And it just matched what I was already feeling. It didn't give me the feeling, it matched what I was feeling. And so as I imprinted that, I started feeling like, oh, we have to have it in. I started changing my template of feeling wanted, feeling included, and then intending something to match it. Rather than needing the world to change, so it changes the state I'm already in. Is that I I lost your question and went off into a Yeah, no, this is fascinating.

Speaker 1 44:08

And it's talking about, you're just about to get there, about how this kind of work influenced your your creativity.

Speaker 3 44:15

Yeah. So once I learned how to do this and I realized I wanted to help other people, I realized even that desire to help people was driven by a red car. I wanted to feel I can release people's suffering. I had a twin sister who died in her 20s. And like maybe if I help anyone who has that pattern that seems lost or stuck or sad, maybe I can get rid of my own pain. I was like, well, that's self-serving. You know what I mean? I didn't know it. I thought I was being altruistic. This is the beginning when I first started doing that. And the second pattern was maybe if I teach other people how to be successful, they won't hate me and be jealous. That came from growing up in Brooklyn. If you shine too much, people wanted to kill you. So let me just teach you how to do it so you don't get mad at me. And then maybe one day I can go back and enjoy my life because you're not mad at me. And the third pattern was a realization that I still, even though I felt valued inside now, there was another pattern of red car that wasn't. And that was me feeling just like alone. And my brain was just like, wow, if I dazzle somebody that they can create their life like psyche, like psychics do, like they get your attention, that maybe I'll feel valuable because you know you're on the set, you're working, no one really cares. They're all hanging out. They're you know, they're doing their own thing. It's like I want to hang out with you guys, I want to leave out, and that's when I realized that. So once I cleaned those three patterns up in myself, I became more authentic in my intention to help people. And so now my job is my nature, which is storytelling in a sense. And then even in hypnosis, there's more storytelling. And because of that, I realized, wow, I could have been helping people do this as an actor if I wrote my own stuff or was part of a good storytelling to change someone's life because a movie can change your life. Yes. Inside out, people always say, Did you write inside out under a different name? I was like, No, oh man, everything you talk about, it can change your life. A movie uh Rocky, you know, they turned people made people go after their goals when they felt it was impossible and they felt like they were underdogs. So I realized that you can do this, you can shed a lot, and I love making people laugh at the human condition, including myself. And so I started having more fun. I do it for fun now, so it's not just like pursuit of it's just fun. Yeah, and so I I did this movie called It's Not About the Notebook, and uh it's about how we think we want something in a relationship, but really the nervous system is this projecting those red cars and creating them over and over again. And uh, I do it through uh comedic, uh uh not always comedic. Uh someone asked me to Al Bendero guy did that TV series with his wife got into directing and she's a good writer, and she directed her first movie, short movie that they're raising money for to turn into a feature, but it's more of a heist thing, and even though that's not gonna inspire anyone, unless it can inspire someone to rob a bank, it's it was so much fun to work with them. And again, like but her and him and and the other cast, another cast member that I worked with on the same TV show. So it's like fun to do that again. And I realize, oh, I gotta enjoy my life too. And it's okay to do that. If I have to fill my own life up as well, and I do it in sessions, I do it in podcasts and explaining and writing books in my course, have a three-month course. I do all these things in different ways, and and so life becomes more flowy when you're just looking for blue cars.

Speaker 1 47:41

You said the name of the film, it's not about the notebook, is it?

Speaker 3 47:44

Yeah, and the other one was uh standoff, the the the heist was standoff, not about the notebook, won best short short in New York in uh the Venice on Broadway International Film Festival, which was really cool. I won Best Actor for the in the shirt, and then um Al's wife, uh Marlene Bendero, she won, I think, best director. We won Best Ensemble. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. They won, I think, three awards.

Speaker 1 48:09

Congratulations, that's great. Really is a magical experience.

Speaker 3 48:13

Yeah, if you want to watch it, I'll give you a YouTube link. You can watch it. It's really funny.

Speaker 1 48:18

Awesome. Um, yeah, absolutely. I can put that in the show notes too. You want that out there.

Speaker 3 48:23

Yeah, sure. It's only seven minutes, but it's really fun.

Speaker 1 48:26

And that's really just the best when creativity, how magical it is when you are just in that flow state and just having joy. Yeah, you know, and that's infectious and and it does change people's lives when you said the heist, how that couldn't change somebody's lives, except to rub a bank and made me think immediately of one of my absolute favorite movies, which is Raising Arizona. And I don't know why, how did that but it affected me? Um and you know, it has that heist um element to the baby. Did you want to lead us through an exercise today?

Speaker 3 49:05

Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1 49:06

Okay, great. Before we do that, tell us how people can find you.

Speaker 3 49:10

My website is the tab technique with two bees, t-a-b-b technique.com. You can uh text me at 323-3772531. And then Instagram, I don't know where that, I think it's Joe the Tab Technique or Joe Tabanella, my name. You should there are not many tabanelles, uh Joe Tabanellas on the world. Actually, there's none in America, so you can't uh be able to find Instagram or wherever else I have. I think Facebook and I think I have, yeah, I'm pretty sure TikTok is one. Um yeah, I don't really d do much with that. I I have other people do it, so I don't know. I always forget what the name is. I think it's this name or the tap tape.

Speaker 1 49:57

Great. And and if you like, we can put all of that in the show notes too. All right, great. What would you like to lead us through? Hey everyone, if you're listening while you're driving or operating heavy machinery, please hit pause at this point and come back when you're safely somewhere where you can listen and go into a nice trance state.

Speaker 3 50:20

Well, there's a technique that is combination of what's called a visual squash or mindfulness, what I like to call the god box, which is let

How To Find Joe

Speaker 3 50:30

the subconscious of God take care of everything you can't take care of, so you could do 100% of your job. Blue cards. So I want you to think about an identity, a behavior, or a situation you'd like to change. So think of identity, oh, I'm always shy. Okay, or a situation like always have just enough money in the bank, or like a habit which is, oh, I always, you know, leave my clothes on the floor. I never put them in the hamper. That's it's only you can't do this for somebody else. You can't do it for yourself. You can't like wish somebody else. I was just thinking that I know a regular mom.

Speaker 1 51:13

Um, all right. Do you do you need me to share what it is?

Speaker 3 51:18

You can if you'd like. So you can tell your audience by the time it airs, you can say if it's working or not.

Speaker 1 51:24

Okay, all right. So I really uh I have this identity of I don't know if it's an identity, but it's a thing I do about people pleasing. I think I think, yeah.

Speaker 3 51:34

Okay. So in a moment, I'm gonna ask you to put both hands out, and you're gonna imagine

Guided God Box Exercise

Speaker 3 51:40

one hand the pattern, the people pleasing pattern. You're gonna give the subconscious mind how does this allow and trust that something else is doing everything for you? So you're gonna give it permission to take every pattern, every emotion, every memory. You'd have to know what they are that's involved in that. You feel coming out of your body, out of your brain, out of your mind, out of your consciousness, and being put fully in that hand, like you're watching a separate person, and you are like an invisible ghost watching a scene. So you're like uh, whatever you want to call it, consciousness. I like to call it the ghost in the machine, right? You you become a consciousness or a uh a god watching a little creation, you know, and you're gonna put it there with no judgment. I'm gonna talk you through that. And then on the other hand, I want you to now imagine what you'll probably more like thin, more holographic, more unattainable, the person you'd like to be in the behavior or the uh the habit, the the person or the the uh the event, the identity or the habit. Okay, and you're gonna notice, notice that the other one is much more rich because that's where all the red cars are. But hey, so we want this to be all blue cars, right? So we're gonna take you through that. So everyone take a moment and just think about that, a habit. And when your brain goes, about that, and about this. So just choose one just for this. Is it more about you taking control over the programming so the programming stops taking control over you? That's all it means. You're just doing it for the exercise in itself. That's key here. We're trying to change anything, you're becoming something different.

Speaker 5 53:15

Okay, so as you take a couple of breaths, you gotta feel the tension draining out of your body like a French press.

Speaker 3 53:28

Every time you exhale, slow it down and all the tension from the top of your head, pacing that exhalation all the way down, down, down, down, down with the French press.

Speaker 5 53:40

Like it's moving out of your fingertips and heels of your feet.

Speaker 3 53:46

Some people like to imagine they are this consciousness in a field of all white or all black, like the void. They're eternal. And everything I know is pixelating, so they identify with the identify with the permanence freedom of the data, the pixels. And now notice in that first hand, we're gonna call that first hand, that pattern that you'd like to change. With each breath, feel the body and brain. You've been permission to move it down the arm and into that hand. So you're seeing it. There's no judgment.

Speaker 5 54:32

There's no judgment, there's no resistance, any emotion that's moving up and out into that scene.

Speaker 3 54:41

As your breathing slows down, you release tension, but you're able to disengage from it. As if you're almost at a movie theater, sitting in a big chair, with the god consciousness of the spaciousness of a observer, watching the scene with no tension.

Speaker 5 55:00

Notice you're filled with a ball of light around you. As you breathe in, it charges up into your heart. And as you breathe out, it goes down that arm and into that first hand.

Speaker 3 55:17

You're just loving its right to be, you're not stopping it, you're not it has its own pattern, it has its own energy. You're not tempting your muscles, you're not holding your breath. You're just bringing compassion to presence. You just keep going there until you feel like you're uh this invisible being watching a scene unfold that had its own reason for being there. It was a protective mechanism or something, a pattern you're modeled, watching parents, or decision to cope with life or adapt to life. No judgment, just let it be there. And you know you're letting it be there because you're breathing and you're releasing tension, so it can move because we stop it by holding our breath and creating tension. Stop it by giving it meaning.

Speaker 2 56:08

Now there's no meaning, there's no tension. Let the energy move out of the body into that hand.

Speaker 5 56:14

Good. Now, bring your awareness to the second hand and notice that other behavior.

Speaker 3 56:23

Now get a sense that that behavior is not something you want, it's something you truly are. The other was the limitation based on those red cars of life, the emotions, the beliefs, modeling parents, or authority figures, conditioning. This is actually the real you. It's the true you. Get a sense of that. With each breath, you just notice it a little bit more. Now, as you breathe in, the light fills up your heart and it goes down that arm and charges it up and makes it a little brighter, more colorful. Now, here's the trick.

Speaker 2 56:58

Any thought, any emotion, any memory or possibility that is not that pattern, let it come up out of the arm, around the shoulder, into the other arm, and back into the other pattern the firsthand, giving it permission to be there while you give yourself permission to notice us with each breath. This is becoming brighter and richer.

Speaker 3 57:21

As you breathe in, you fill up your heart. As you breathe out, you charge it up. I'm gonna add, as you breathe in, you're charging it into your heart, the scene itself up theorem. So you're loving it and appreciating it as you breathe in and you're charging it up as you breathe out.

Speaker 5 57:37

Because you have this ball of light that's infinite around your being. Again, any conflict, barrier, or objection, memory or possibility or emotion.

Speaker 3 57:49

Say, oh yeah, you have a right to be. You just go born in that arm right now. I'm gonna love this. You are there. Let this become brighter, any more eternal, more familiar, more comfortable. Now go back to the other hand, and I want you to notice there are valves underneath your knuckles. And I want you to unscrew your first knuckle, the one closest to the um your index knuckle. Imagine you're unscrewing it, and there's a ball of light underneath your hand, and as you breathe, with each exhalation, the color gets drained out of that, see, and goes right into the ball of light. Do that three times. Each exhalation, the color just drains out until it's black and white and keeps moving into that ball of light underneath the hand. And unscrew that one. With each exhalation, the energy is actually draining out. So it looks like a black and white hologram right into the ball.

Speaker 5 59:27

Leave that valve open, and now the third is your ring finger. Unscrew that one. And with each exhalation, it starts to shrink in size.

Speaker 3 59:44

That energy underneath is like the gone box. It's letting everything that belongs to the bigger version of you to take care of that. It's not your job to judge that, hold on to it. It's for it to take care of it.

Speaker 2 59:56

Your job is to pay attention to the other hand to fall in love with those quote-unquote blue cards.

Speaker 3 1:00:02

Let them move out with each breath. Smaller sh black and white.

Speaker 5 1:00:11

Wonderful.

Speaker 3 1:00:15

Now go back to the other hand as you keep those valves open and charge that one up again. Notice that anything in that pattern comes up, out, round the shoulder, into the other hand, it goes right into the god box. If it's not yours, it doesn't belong to you. Receiving belongs to you, loving belongs to you, focusing belongs to you, having belongs to you, intending belongs to you. Everything else belongs to the other side and to the god box. Brighter and more alive, more comfortable. And now that stays open. You just give the subconscious mind to say, okay, you take care of all that. I'm gonna start focusing on receiving, intending, trusting, and having.

Speaker 5 1:00:58

You take care of all the emotions, I don't know what to do.

Speaker 3 1:01:05

More interested in noticing this, looking this, and intending this than judging that. Good. And as your hands come down, I want you to see that scene becoming bigger, and you see yourself walking around in the world with that new, not that new, the true behavior, the true identity, the true experience that you'd like. Now, once again, every time you see that, anything that is not that is welcome. It just comes out of it and goes into a black and white TV, the God box playing somewhere in the scene. So it's now in the scene. There's a black and white TV that has rabbit ears because those rabbit ears go to source. They're none of your business, they go to source. And anything that is not that is given to the TV. So it's like a character you're playing in an old black and white television, a character you played or situation you were experiencing, or habits you were doing. And you realize that's a playing has a right to be, but it's a possibility of limitation while you're being your true self in the world. So see yourself, feel your heart tethered to your heart in the scene, walking around, doing that behavior, really liking it. And again, any tension, anything that gets your attention, welcome it.

Speaker 4 1:02:24

Just let it go right into that box, the God box.

Speaker 3 1:02:34

And now imagine you're stepping into it. And now you are this person, and again, any conflict bearer objection comes out of you and goes into this TV, black and white TV, playing for something else to do that, so you can just love this and tend this and want more of this.

Speaker 4 1:02:54

And when you're ready, you'll open your eyes to a non-suggestible state.

Speaker 1 1:03:01

I am so grateful that you did this, and I can share this with this audience because it's so powerful, Joe, and you're so good at it. I also wanted to mention if maybe your ears were buzzing a little because you have come up in a couple of my previous podcast episodes because you've been such an influence on so many people. You have helped me immensely, and that was really powerful. You've helped me both heal as a person, but also grow as a healer. So thank you. And thank you for being here. And I I have I could just talk to you for days. I hope you know, maybe you could come back again and we could talk about more stuff. Sure. Is there anything you want to say before?

Speaker 3 1:03:51

Thank you. Hope it was helpful. Sometimes, you know, me, I get on a tear out. I forget who I'm talking to sometimes. I'm thinking, is this going over people's heads or are they getting it? And and so thank you for being here. And uh, your beautiful soul. And uh, I'm so glad you're doing this work to keep the torch going, you know. It's it's not about us, it's about the principles, right? People, oh, you're great. You're I'm not great. The principles are great. You know what I mean? I I just trust them. The only thing I'm good at is explaining it, maybe, and trusting it, but it's not me, it's the principles that do everything.

Speaker 2 1:04:25

And that's not like the false humility, that's really how it works. And as soon as I think I do anything, I'm in big trouble. I always screw it up.

Speaker 1 1:04:34

I hear that when I work with my clients, and you've said that to me before. So it's very good advice. So thank you. You've been listening to Hip Talks, original music by Tracy Moore, and the Jazzy Fat Nasties, Podcast Editing and Sound Engineering by Zachary Trainer. If you like what you heard, please like and share and follow us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And if you make a comment, I promise I will respond. Give it for love to live your gifts again.

Speaker 1:05:14

Give it for love to live your gifts again.