Episode 5 - Master jack Thrash

Join me as i sit down with Mater Jack Thrash and discuss all things kink and his journey into it

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:05

In this next episode, I am catching up with the lovely Master Jack Thrash. If you know about him, you'll have seen him on Instagram. You've seen him across lots of different campaigns. He's very well known in the kink scene, but I sit down and chat all things kink, all things his journey. Let's see where this takes us. Welcome to the Kink Post Podcast. Uh I am joined now by Master Jack Thrash. How are you? I'm good. I'm very close. Bit done. It is a bit wet today, isn't it? Thank you so much for joining me. You are taller than I ever imagined.

SPEAKER_00 0:36

Yeah, yeah. Everybody has that. Yeah. Everybody's the same first. Um I've not told you were taller than maybe I'm just really small, but no, I look taller than the tall boys because most people are taller proportionate, whereas on the bean pole, I'm quite like straight up and down. And the longest legs in Soho. Well, that's a claim, that's what you've got to tell you. So that's different. Yes, yeah. Have you gone blonde? I have, yes, yeah. I had a crisis. Like a gay gay little tertiary crisis and the peroxide bottle came out. Yeah, it looks good. So here we are.

unknown 1:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

Here we are at blonde. This is blonde Jack Brash. Yes, Myra Hindley. And how did the name Jack Frash come about? Jack Brash? Uh Sprash was um Jack Sprasher. Trasher is my husband's uh one of his surnames. Um it's not exactly one of his surnames, I changed some of the letters around and made it my own, much to his annoyance. And Jack was your name and Master because of the well, yeah. So Master Jack was my pet name when I was a kid. So when I was three or four, I was known by my family as Master Jack. Um I think it's because I was sort of like little Lord Montalroy, who grew up like I mean, we lived in a housing estate and I had notions. That's what we call it in Ireland. So I was like a drama kid, and I was obsessed with like when I was five, I stood up in front of the school and recited the Lake Girl of In a tree. I was thick as pictures, like I couldn't read or write, but I was really good at performing, and everyone called me Mastery Jack. So I reclaimed it when I said, but it's a good name that works as a child and work now in what you do as well.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

Yeah, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:11

Means completely different things. Yeah. Yeah. And just for those that are listening on audio only, Jack obviously is here in his full leather.

SPEAKER_00 2:21

So uh these leather pants are your go-to at the moment. Yes, you can hear me creeping if you listen very carefully. That's a thing. That's the thing they're all going for.

SPEAKER_02 2:31

So you're in leather pants, leather boots, leather armbands, leather gloves, leather waistcoat, and looking good. Yes, kinks. Just making sure that everybody on audio knows what you're looking at.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:44

So people that know you um obviously follow you for a reason and know your kinks, but just for those people that don't know, what what is your main kinks?

SPEAKER_00 2:53

Is it leather, is it rubber, or is it rubber spectrum? Um, I guess kinks. In terms of dress up, I'm a leather leather leather rubber guy. Yeah. Uh sometimes they're more into leather, sometimes they're more into rubber. They bring a different feeling. Yeah. Uh in terms of like actual kinks, I mean, I'm really into fisting at the moment, so I'm fisting top. Um, I really like connection. So if I'm jamming a guy, I like to feel present and connected with them. And when you have your forearm halfway upside someone's backside, that's about as intimate as you can get. Yeah. And it's quite like a it's quite as a top, I find that quite intense. Yeah. And the eye contact and the listening to someone's body as well as um what they're saying, and then kind of pushing somebody's boundaries and having shared goals that you kind of work with with them to achieve. Yeah, that's really hot. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:52

And with the rubber, does that change your the way you are?

SPEAKER_00 3:57

It's like, are you a different person when you're 11 to when you're in rubber? Um, rubber, I'm trying to like so rubber. I'm trying to work out what my relationship is now with rubber because rubber was always when I was doing drugs and doing chills. Um I'm quite piggy, right? But when I was on drugs, it was like I was disgusted. Rubber's wiped clean. So I used to play a lot in rubber, and that's what rubber was for. And then when I whenever I donned, I was generally sober and then leathers. So it was became different associations. Can we reclaim rubber? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's still a bit, like I still find it a bit. But they mix with each other as well. So sometimes, or do you never mix them together? Yeah, I'll sometimes stick on like if I'm working in the shop, I'll stick on a rubber top under like some leather trousers.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:48

And yeah, I'm not like puritanical when it comes to mixing rubber and leather. And then what came first? Like with with your your love of gear, did the content creating come with that? Or did that happen because you're working in regulation or no more to go into? No, so I was always into leather. Um, I can remember when I was a kid, so just if it came out, Jake Shears had that blue leather jumpsuit. Yeah, yeah. And then I'd seen Elvis Presley when he did his comeback tour, I think it was 1963, and he had this like like it was like a barker suit with the big Elvis Presley collar, but it was black leather. Yeah. I'd seen that in Christmas on like on the TV. Um and Glenn Hughes, Glenn Hughes, who was in the village people, he was the original leather man. So I'd seen glimpses of it, and from very, very young, like eight, nine, ten, I was just like fascinated by it. Yeah. Um and then I would say like I was into leather before I knew if I liked boys or girls.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:54

Yeah. So then it's always been part of my sexuality, yeah, and my kind of sexual expression. Uh and then uh there were no other boys my age who were into it that I could find at the time. It was tended to be older guys, um, which kind of suited me because I was into older guys anyway.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

So I was really lucky. I met um when I was quite young, I met some guys who kind of showed me the way. Yeah. And then Instagram became a thing, and I set up an Instagram account when I was um in my twenties, and I had a couple of photos of me. It was actually quite late. Like it was I probably only set the account up about I want to say like five years ago. Oh wow. I'd been in a long-term relationship in my twenties, it was very vanilla, yeah, and um, it was monogamous, or at least I thought it was. You seem to have just you have to like put yourself to one side to be in that vanilla value. Yeah, so I was in a relationship with a narcissist, and I was uh very much uh not expressing any part of who I was for that period. So so up until 21-22, I'd sort of got established in the kink community, yeah, and then I disappeared for six years. Yeah, and then when I came out of the relationship, I got back into um I got back into rubber and leather and I started to reclaim that. And that's when I started the Instagram and I posted a few photos of me like in the kitchen wearing some leather, and the next thing, like looking at my phone and it was just blowing up. It was like, yeah, there was just and I didn't understand.

SPEAKER_01 7:31

It took me aback a little bit, and I've never I've always been a bit suspicious about uh I occupy a space where I feel quite on my own.

SPEAKER_00 7:45

Yeah, I look at the other kind of leather domes around me, and they are cis straight, uh you know, um straight, but they're they're cis alpha man, 5'11, bearded, yeah, you know, yeah, Royd is the armpit, and I sort of feel like a bit of an alien, and I'm not quite sure. I sometimes feel inferior isn't the right word, but you know, like where you feel um the word like but you've got you've made your own lane. I think that's quite nice to give. Yeah, but I feel like I'm gonna get fanned out. Do you know what I mean? Like I'll just realize like it's been like a string of pits, and then no one's found for me anymore. I don't remember. Don't remind how your page goes and then followed with it. Okay, but uh yeah. So I ended up with this platform. I didn't really know what to do with it. It wasn't making me any money because I wasn't getting the same so guys with similar size platforms to me, but fit that that criteria they were getting sponsorship and they were promoting brands and they were on posters to things. I've never had any of that because I don't meet that. Yeah, I don't I don't fit that particular mode. Um, so I had this platform that wasn't really generating income, and uh I come out of this relationship and I'd gotten a very what was to me a very big mortgage at a very young age, and then quit my job a couple of weeks in. So suddenly I kind of make some money, yeah, and then I started doing the professional dumbing. Um kind of did studio program mainly in the beginning. For someone who just handed the money and then it was done. I fucking hate editing videos, and like this is fucking tech. I'm so I'm so brutal on it. So I I love being in front of the camera and doing all that stuff, and I was happy for someone to give me 200 quid at the end of it and blow it a day. Yeah, uh, and then I realized it's been mugged. Um, like they're making a lot money. They're making I realized I accidentally found out how much money was being made, and then I said, fuck this. So I did some um did some like a few years ago, Matt Spike uh and some friends who already had kind of established followings in the sort of porn industry. I think it's easier now as well for content creators to create their own. Yeah, they don't need somebody to go and have them be on my porn website or porn you you can make your own yeah, yeah. Yeah, so then I and then I was working again and I didn't do porn for years, and I started doing it again in October this year. It kind of had a relaunch. I think like into, or is it like light running? No, like I really I'm fine, like I'm fine making porn. I kind of I'm into into it, like I kind of get off on it, so it suits me. Um the tech is always gonna be a barrier. Yeah, like there is when it comes to like the editing and the quality of the it's basic, okay. It's not like there's nothing necessary like style here, it's very like a bit clunky, but uh I guess I perform with some really great guys, I only perform with people who I have a connection with, yeah. And I do think that comes, that shows. Yeah, and when you watch porn with someone who's really connected and into it, even when it's clunky or clumsy, or it's it's very different to watching something that's performative with a kind of double person, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:15

I'm just doing a job and I'm gonna have this person.

SPEAKER_00 11:19

Yeah, maybe slightly less robotic, yeah. Which is what studio porn was for me.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

I just felt like I was a robot. Is that something do you think you're staying for a bit? Is it I'm really enjoying it right now. It's a lot more lucrative than I thought it would be. Um, and it feeds in quite well to the uh like the professional domming work that I do because guys will see videos, they'll subscribe and then they'll put profession. Um down that route as well with the dummy and the yeah, more or less all is like leather. If I have to have sex with my clothes off, I get nervous. Like, yeah, I find I I again it's armored, you know what I mean? Yeah, uh so tends to be yeah, it tends to be more something. I do, I I'm I mean, I haven't uh subbed for years, and then I went back into Narcotics Anonymous in October and started, I got a sponsor and started doing the 12 steps. And um, step two is basically about like surrendering to a higher power. Yeah, it's this practice of as addicts, we quite often try and control the the things and the people, the situations around us. Yeah, um, we square peg grainhole a lot, yeah. Um the idea of surrender is that you kind of don't always have to be in control, and you can trust in a higher power, but then by extension, you know, you can trust good people.

SPEAKER_01 12:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:48

Um, so I started sobbing, started sobbing again recently. Still really fucking scary, and there's very few people I would feel comfortable doing it with. But all of those feelings that I had when I was in my 20s came back like from when I was like 2021. Uh, and it's yeah, it's kind of exciting and it feels scary, which is good. I thought I'd fucking done everything. I mean, tell you some stories.

SPEAKER_02 13:17

And obviously, you've always been very open and honest about your addictions, which is yeah, do you find or do you think that that is quite a pressure now in the pink world?

SPEAKER_00 13:28

Addictions just it's very easy for people to get addicted, especially with drugs being so prevalent.

unknown 13:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

Yeah, it's the conversation nobody wants to have. Um, once you come out and start talking about it, I mean the people who come up to me and confided things in me, so widespread. Yeah, nobody's talking about it. Crystal meth is the HIV, um, it's the killer of our generation. Um, except the problem with crystal meth is unlike a GHB overdose, where you know, someone goes to a party and they they die, um, meth takes away everything in your life, your family, your friends, your job, your apartment, your teeth, one piece of you at a time. Yeah, and then when you are wrecked, you might die. Yeah. But it's it's this horrible, it's like um the only way you can describe it is if you've ever had like a grandparent with dementia or with yeah, it's like watching the person disappear. Yeah, it's like watching someone you love disappear in the most horrific, violent uh way. And obviously, being in Britain in 2026, nobody wants to fund uh recovery. Um, the scene itself uh there seems to be a reluctance beyond kind of spaces specifically for um recovery. Seems people seem reluctant to talk about it because there's still a lot of stigma around it. Yeah, so I I won't keep my fucking mouth shut.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

No, and I think that's being it's you've you've been at your worst, you've you're sharing that journey, and there's so many people that are going through it at earth.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

Yeah, and it's a daily basis. It's I mean the relapse rate's really high. I'm here today and I'm sober and grateful for that. I don't know how much longer I have left. Yeah, I don't know how much longer I have left, and I could relapse tomorrow, yeah, and that could be the beginning of the end. Yeah, so while I'm here and while I'm present, while I'm well, I'm speaking up because uh somebody has to speak about you, people doing that, and that's important. So we're there, but I there's there's a couple of there's a few voices you'll probably be aware of in the scene, like it's conversation is starting.

SPEAKER_01 15:39

Yeah, good.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

Um, but uh I think young guys, particularly coming to London, um are at really huge risk. There's an ongoing I don't want to name a name in the podcast, but there's an ongoing case over here. Um, 19-year-old couple of years ago, parents dropped him off to university, he was due to start in central St. Martin's, and then like within 24 hours, he's found dead in a hotel room with two men in their 50s, and he has GHB and crystal meth in his system. And um the Metropolitan Police basically uh didn't investigate. I mean, it it was a sham. Yeah, it's in the press at the moment because there's a huge issue, obviously, with homophobia and institutional. Yeah. Um, but there's a big issue, I think, with because sex education being what it is, which is for heterosexual people who um tend not to get too involved with kind of we're specific. Nobody tells you when you're when you're 17, 18, you know, that there's different types. You're just told drugs are bad, and it's the whole Nancy Reagan, just say no.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

So what does the 17-year-old think when he has a joint and doesn't die? He goes, Oh, this is bullshit. Okay, yeah. There's not actually that much of a gap between that and being in a hotel room with an older guy who says, take a dragon of this pipe. Oh, one, I'll be all right. You've never heard heard of it, don't have the information or the knowledge to be able to make that decision. And the pressure's there already. And then and yeah, not blame it, but it's there, isn't it? You're in the boat. Yeah, there's a there's definitely also, I mean, there are men who fetishized who are addicts who fetishise getting kids, kids like teenagers and young men hooked on this particular drug. And and again, it's because it's coming from inside the house, there's a real real reluctance for us to talk about that and address that in an open way.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

Um, but I've seen it happen. Yeah, it happened to me. Yeah. So it needs to be spoken.

SPEAKER_00 17:47

Yeah, and it's ongoing. Um and the collateral damage is like immense. You obviously have a very good network around you with friends and family as well, which is nice, and obviously your husband. Yeah, like it sort of saved it's really to say when I couldn't love myself, I had people around me who who did. Um my husband was one of those people who who just sort of didn't leave.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

Um and has been there when times have been really rough and supported me through. Um, so I've been very lucky in that respect to find that person. Um, I've got a really good, like quite close circle of friends uh in the king scene. A lot of us um really filthy bastards have been are actually sober because the problem is you can only do so much and you run out of things to do, and then drugs uh, particularly some of this stuff like the really filthy stuff I was into, drugs were quite a big part of that. Yeah. So a lot of us drugs happen at one point or another, and then you reach a point where you go, Okay, well, I'm either gonna die or I'm gonna quit and get clean. So there's a lot of guys who I've met in the fetish scene who were also clean. Yeah, and that's great because it means you've kind of got quite similar lived experience despite this sort of quite niche that's sort of like and it's not taking you out of your king, it's not taking you out of that world, is it? It's just you're just you're just changing the way you are in that world. Yeah, basically, yeah, yeah. It's um you're still doing the same things. You're doing the same things, it's just very different. Yeah. Yeah. You're just not doing them for eight hours. Yeah. And you think we'll do the first yeah, for 80 minutes. Um yeah. Are there any big events coming up that you're gonna be going to that people can see you? Um I'm performing at Hardon in March. Yeah. Uh I'm gonna be with um Dutch Pope Momo doing a little stage performance, which would be fun. Um, and then I think I'm gonna see I'm definitely gonna go to Easter Berlin this year. Hopefully when it'll be like it was, but I so hot. Yeah, yeah. I do feel though when I get asked to do performance, it's like it's like you know what they do, like beauty pageants in the States? It's like, what's your talent? It's like I don't have one of those. I make points cry. That's like having. But um, yeah, I I I get stuck in my head sometimes about what the fuck am I gonna do? This one in Hardon is kind of a bit more straightforward because it's a puppy show. Yeah, so they just need me to go and be like puppy handler. Yeah, and Joel is um uh pop moments been around the block, so he's gonna show me the ropes, yeah. I think it's quite prescribed. Yeah, but 30 minutes can be a lot of time to fill when you have to come up with like a fucking routine in front of women in front of those people and not look like a dick. You'll you'll smash it, I'm sure. Yeah, it will be fine. You will you will be fine.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

Yeah, and then is there anybody that you haven't co-lucked with yet that you really want to call up with?

SPEAKER_00 20:51

Yes, so uh Bis. Yeah, whose hair style I think I've copied. Um actually he's I think he's in Japan at the moment. Um I'd love to do a collaboration with him. Uh yeah, I mean there's loads like I could go on. Yeah, what for you for 2026? Like if I somebody said to you what do you see yourself doing in 2026 that you haven't done yet? Where's your first place to go? I think I would love to I used to be I used to really enjoy bottoming as like a little fist pig, but uh I was always high when I did it, so I'd love to start being able to let myself go there and experience that and experience that sober. Yeah, I'm not there yet, like that's I think that's a way off, but that would be fun. More subbing, like getting out of my allowing myself to be submissive. Yeah, that's so important. I mean, the dom that is so informative. If you play with someone else who's older, who's been around the block, who's really fucking good at domming, right? And you sub for them. Yeah, I will learn things and pick stuff up that I didn't bring to the table before, and then can practice that with my voice. Yeah. So I enjoy and I'm kind of at that magical age. I'm 33, so I'm kind of old enough that you know my twinks can call me daddy, but my daddies can call me son, and I enjoy I I'm enjoying being in this bike in good faith. Enjoy it for now. Yeah. It's like it's like kind of the experience is being passed down, and I'm like the link in the middle. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 22:22

And if there's if you were giving some advice to somebody say watching this that's not tried leather or wants to try leather or rubber and is really unsure and they just don't know where to go, what like weeping there, you could scared about getting a shot or advice which gets there.

SPEAKER_00 22:36

Um I think I think you know it it always helps if you have a buddy and someone who can hold your hand. Um, but I I would I mean I'm biased because I work there, but regulation is great because um we are just a bunch of like renegade slots who all work together, but genuinely really friendly. Like, I mean, the vibe when you walk in is like you feel at ease. Yeah. And it's a bit scary in the outside because the signage is quite yeah, it's quite subtle and it feels a bit sex shoppy and like backstreamy and nobody. But we've all been there as well. Yeah. That's that's an important thing, is that like you're not gonna you're not gonna bite them unless they have. Oh, I remember my first time ever. I remember my first time ever in the I was in it was in the hoist in um Donovan shop upstairs, and I was so embarrassed I hit my head. It was like in the top of the boat spit, and I was this awkward 16-year-old, like I hit my fucking head in a pipe or something. Um I felt like such a geek. But everybody's everybody's had to do it. Yeah. Baptism fire. And I think that's kind of the event before you commit to buying as well. There's a big one. Yeah, I mean, a lot of the kink events require there's a uniform requirement. So you gotta have some gear. I think it needs to be the whole thing. And like some gear can be like my first bits of gear with stuff I bought on eBay second hand. Yeah. And you know, once you've got a pair of boots and uh leather shots, that's an outfit, yeah. Right. Yeah, like just be buying and go. Yeah, yeah, just just um just go for it. But uh coming spaces like regulation, I think, particularly for young guys who are sort of uh branching out and experimenting, having spaces like that where they're gonna be safe, where it's kind of a sex positive atmosphere, I think, is is definitely like engaged with those faces because yeah, um, yeah, I think that makes a big difference. Yeah. Maybe it takes some of the fear out of it. Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_02 24:39

It's never king that you haven't tried yet, but you really want to try it.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

Gun. Uh it just looks fun, but I hate getting my hair wet, so it looks really messy, but and a bit funny about smells and that I mean I say this like uh anyway, I won't present that, but we'll talk about Piggy Play later. But um, I I just think it looks kind of a little bit theatrical and fun. It's kind of like old, like when we used to watch TV, isn't it? Yeah, it is the main story, right? When I was a kid, we lived in Australia for a few years, and uh the biggest TV show over there was Nickelodeon, and it was like one of the setups, I guess, that you guys had over here, where you have like a boy, a male and female like hosts, and there's a set, and they play games with like kids from the audience. Yeah, but there was this thing called the yes or no game, and if you the two people go up against each other and with the yes or no game, you could stand in this tube, and if you lost, they pulled a lever, like if you said the wrong word, and all this gun should come out. We're so terrified, yeah. I like hyper focused, and I won the game, and the poor girl got gung in my place. But and now as an adult, I'm like, hmm, I wish I'd have tried that though.

SPEAKER_02 25:45

Yeah, it's a big thing now, it was creeping into the on socials, especially, it's creeping into other kinks as well.

SPEAKER_00 25:53

So it's like it's it's found its way into people in sports. Why am I doing it because they were doing it? And I think it's that I think the king community is like going in them directions a little crossing over quite a lot. Yeah, so I mean that's fun and study, and something I'd like to try, and then something a bit more intense I'd like to try reading into piercing. Right. Um, and actually, like Guy Follow, I can't remember his name, but he's like he's a tattoo artist and he will tattoo guys while he's riding their dick. I think that's so fucking hot. Wow. Like I love the idea of I don't have any tattoos. Um, but I love the idea of like body body modification. Like I think there's something really hot there. Uh yeah. So 2025 could be a big year for you. Yeah, I'll just come back with like sleeves and like tattoos on my face. But it goes with what you're into anyway. Yeah, I think you're gonna be getting a tattoo this year, but pair things like I enjoy, I find fun, which is a bit weird because you shouldn't really enjoy someone sticking an evil into you. But there's a lot of people that do then. Makes me feel alive. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 26:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:56

Well, we're gonna end it there because we're gonna catch up again at some point when I next come down to London. And hopefully by then, all these questions I've asked you, you might have tried gunjoffs.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

I'm sure there's somebody out there that's gonna I'll gun you all, bring a pocket. Yeah, that'll not show that booking.com will let me uh change the apartment.

SPEAKER_02 27:21

Uh thank you so much for joining me, it's been a pleasure, and thank you for supporting me on a podcast journey as well. It's been really, really nice.

SPEAKER_00 27:33

Yes, yeah, I'll see you for