Interview with Gåpe Wert - Looking In from the Outside

🎙️ Neue Folge online – mit Special Guest Gåpe Wert 🇫🇷🖤
Achtung: Dieses Interview wird auf Englisch geführt.

Diese Woche sprechen wir mit @gapewert, einer DJ aus Frankreich, die seit knapp einem Jahr in Wien lebt und die lokale Clubszene aus einer spannenden Außenperspektive erlebt.

Gemeinsam werfen wir einen Blick auf Unterschiede und Gemeinsamkeiten zwischen der Clubkultur in ihrer Heimat Frankreich und in Wien – sowie auf Potenziale, Herausforderungen und Entwicklungen in beiden Szenen.

Wir sprechen über:
 ✨ ihre Erfahrungen als DJ zwischen Frankreich und Österreich
 ✨ Diversität in Musik, Line-ups und Clubkultur
 ✨ kulturelle Unterschiede auf dem Dancefloor

🖤 Catch @gapewert live in Vienna tomorrow
 📍 25.06. – Kiki Bar
 🎧 Jetzt anhören – Link in Bio

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:06

Hey, willkommen zu unserem Podcast Dance Floor Diaries Vienna.

SPEAKER_00 0:10

Ich bin Corala und ich bin Miss Undertaker. Und gemeinsam ergründen wir das Wiener Nachtleben informativ, ehrlich und spicy aus verschiedenen Sichtweisen.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Herzlich willkommen zu einer neuen Folge Dance Flood Diaries Vienna. Ich freue mich heute Gab Wert begrüßen zu dürfen im Podcast. She said an year circa in Wien. English and weniger. Okay, a bit more than a year in Wien. And we have this podcast of English. And yeah. Hello, welcome to our podcast. Hey, thanks for the invite. So it would be yeah, it really interesting to know how you perceive the scene here. And you're also a DJ. So I even had the pleasure to have like a small back-to-back on the weekend. That's true. Our favorite, favorite uh bar um Klavin station that had uh a closing on the weekend that will go on but under um a different a different honor. So yeah, we had the pleasure to play together. Um do you wanna say something about you, um maybe where you're from, what kind of music you like to play, how you came to DJing and everything?

SPEAKER_04 1:51

So yeah, I come from France, uh from Brittany, from Rennes actually, that I started digging in Angers. So it's where I was um before coming to Vienna. I moved out in Vienna in at the end of September of this year, and uh yeah, I've been I think in August it would be three years that I'm ditching. Wow! And uh I think I evolved a lot in my style. In the beginning, I was mixing more um deep house and uh big time techno, I would say, I would say, and now I'm more like since a year, year and a half, maybe. Uh I'm playing much more hypnotic techno and hard roof. But yeah, it's it's I I will say that it's mostly my two favorite styles, and it's what I will um define more as my identity. Okay, I think even for the future. Um I think yeah, since a year and a half approximately, I found my style in this kind of uh style of techno.

SPEAKER_01 3:03

Okay, nice. So what was there any kind of event what was causing you to change your direction in the music? It was natural, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:14

It was just natural because it's funny, even when I um and I listened to my old playlist, since the beginning there was a little bit of hypnotic techno, but not a lot. And the more I was teaching, the more I was attracted to this kind of techno. And yeah, I think after it's the festival and the people I met and the concert where I went, and yeah, I just I just started to feel it more like my stomach.

SPEAKER_01 3:48

Yeah, yeah, that's cool. I we talked um in this podcast also with other DJs, and almost all of them did a kind of development into a different genre. For me, I also started with uh yeah, I started more with down tempo and then I evolved really fast into like also techno and and even footwork and even like super fast, like the complete conta contrary of what I was doing before. And then slowly I came back again to like the more relaxed um music, and I ended up now being um in love with the deep house minima and this kind of electro break beat. Nice, so it's really interesting sometimes how this journey goes from one place to another and way back to something that you were already there before in a different way.

SPEAKER_04 4:41

Yeah, yeah, that's true, and I think um when each time I hear you teaching, uh I think it's one of your strengths too to have really diverse sets and to be able to mix different kinds of things because when you you're able to mix different kinds of um techno or electronic music, yeah, um it makes you stronger, I think also, and with more like ability maybe to do things. So we can really see that when we hear to your music.

SPEAKER_01 5:15

Yeah, so for me, of course, it's really interesting to know how someone that has not been in Vienna for a long time, how for them they perceive the scene or what you get to know from the scene, the places that you went, the the music you heard, the people you saw, um I don't know, maybe the dancing, public dancing, and and the vibe in general. Like, are there some things that you noticed in the beginning that were very different from what you know?

SPEAKER_04 5:46

Uh the Venus scene is that I discovered it three years ago because uh I was in Vienna for 10 months for a short mission, and actually that's uh what gave me um like the the will to be a DJ or to discover it. Oh after after one year going to club and club and club, and I I just uh started to feel okay, I I want to see what is it, what it is to experience teaching. Yeah, at first it was only that. And uh yeah, so when I came back in September, I already have some ID of a penis scene, but this time I experienced it completely differently because I was inside and not outside, yeah, like a few years ago. And uh so yeah, I think uh there is actually some similarities between uh the scene in my city of Angers and the one in Vienna. I think it's um for example, uh one common point is the fact that it's um important to know people, to know the right people, I would say, and um to be in collectives, I would say too, because in France, like here, like in my city in France, like in Vienna, it's it's important to have a crew to be able to play somewhere, and uh if you want to like uh play in a specific place, you have to uh have a little bit of visibility, uh, to have also uh the money to organize your event. So you need to be in big collective. I think yes, a common point is also the fact that uh I mean it's it's normal, it's just normal sociability, but uh the more you know people um the more you can be invited and they invite you, and it's you know, I mean it's it's the scene everywhere, I think. Uh it's a lot of socialization, sometimes maybe more socialization than digging sometimes. I don't know if you have the same feeling or not. And about the differences, um I will say that uh in my small city there was a lot of competition between collectives. Um I have a feeling that it was more than in Vienna, but maybe I don't have all the knowledge of Vienna. But uh yeah, for example, sometimes uh there could be like two or three big events in the same city, uh the same weekend or the same day, and people you don't really care, and it was just stupid because uh the electro scene is not big enough to have a lot of people in all of these events, so it's a bit stupid, and it's yeah, it's sort of competitions and people are not criticizing each other, but that's what I experienced, but maybe not everyone. And um another difference is also that in my small city uh there is much more um place for hard techno. The hard techno scene is really really really big. And uh, for example, all the new associations and collectives are like almost only in hard techno and dance, also sometimes. Often the beginning of the party is dance, and after two or three hours it gets hard techno, like yeah. And um in Vienna, I mean it's the capital city too, so there's much more diversity. And yeah, I would say another difference is the fact that uh for women in Angers it's um have a feeling that it's harder because yes, you you you are being criticized for everything. I mean in Vienna too, I I I maybe, but um have a feeling that in Vienna people are really started to think about it, to think about the fact that it's not normal to have lineup with only men. Yeah. Uh in my city, yeah, there is a lot, a lot, a lot of uh techno events, selectual events where there's only men and it doesn't bother anyone.

SPEAKER_01 10:02

Yeah, that's that's yeah, that's true. So I have um also uh a friend that she um together with others, um, she really pushed this um DJ workshops for Flint some years ago, I think around three years ago, um three or four years, and and that really had a big impact. So they started a actually really low-budget um DJ workshops for all kinds of flinter. I know that um they didn't even get a lot out of it. So it was more work than like I don't know, monetary um reward, but the impact was really really big because when they started to do this, uh it was many, many, many um even friends of mine now that they went to this workshops um to learn and then to connect and and to build something, and from then on, like the the workshops actually um exponentially um yeah and grew, and and more other collectives and other female collectives also pushed this. Um yeah, which is it's so cool to see because it had um it really did change like the the scene in this sector that before was definitely also um uh much more yeah um much more male, yeah, yeah, basically that was more male artists, yeah. All the dynops. I mean it's not to say that it's we already reached some kind of equality. I think this also depends which scene and and which music, and it's possible that also maybe the heart taken scene is special in this. We know that there was a lot of uh conflicts coming up in this last year. We even had one podcast um terms around these subjects. Exactly, one podcast around this subject. Um, so it's interesting how how this might also be connected with this competition and uh um yeah, maybe the the the patriarchy and and this kind of destructive patterns, yeah. Also with this music that can be really, really hard. I think it's not I I don't want to put it now like as a label for this music, it has to be this, of course not. Um but it's just interesting that that many uh yeah, many of this this developments that are um actually yeah critical come from the scene. Yeah, yeah, there is some equals, I think. Yeah, true. So um you said you like that that it feels more diverse. So what kind of many bubbles did you see, or what kind of music that you didn't find um to have in to have that in France?

SPEAKER_03 12:52

Uh actually my city. I don't know if there is that much people um playing hypnotic techno.

SPEAKER_04 13:02

Uh hard groove, yes. There is a little bit, not that much, but a little bit. But hypnotic techno, I'm not sure there is. I mean very there is. I have one one or two friends, yes, but uh not that much really. Angers is a lot about um heart techno and bounce, a little bit for bounce, and um yeah, you have some people that are here for a long time and are uh are playing uh really diverse things, like I'm thinking about all the uh vinyl DJs, for example, uh that have known a lot of different drawers or so, and uh that can have a good friend. Uh he's coming uh this week, it's it's funny, and he's playing really really diverse, a lot of world music too. And I have a friend also in in my city, she's uh playing a lot of uh world music and deep house and everything. But um yeah, if you if you like see all the events that are organized in bars and in big venues or in concert rooms, uh I would say that 80% of the time it's hard like no and balance.

SPEAKER_01 14:16

Yeah, that's so that's so interesting, and also seems to be a trend, like yeah, but I feel I see that, but I see also more things developing out of it, um which I like. So I think it's good to to give to have this possibility to to develop it into different um areas because that's also how you yeah, how you you can grow different bubbles and meet more different people and and um connect uh through different music, be inspired also by different music.

SPEAKER_04 14:49

Yeah, true. And but I yeah, I think there is something also that I found really interesting, um like in difference between my city and Vienna, is that um in Vienna I also have a feeling that collectives are often um like tied to one specific genre a lot. And in my city, um it's majorly like hard technocene and bones, but if you take DJs independently, more often they can play a lot of different things. Uh-huh. So sometimes if you go to smaller events or to more independent things, there is not that much in the very sun, um you you're not always sure of which kind of sound you can hear, or it can be really diverse in one set. And here um have a feeling that when you go to an event you want to hear a specific thing, yeah. Even when you go to smaller events, and that's for me the big difference because for big events I totally understand, but um sometimes I like to go to really small places and to you know be in the vibe and discover new things, and yeah, it's it's it's it's it's cool too, but it's it's a big difference, and when I arrived, I I felt a little bit of pressure because of that, because sometimes I like to do sets which are diverse too, and I don't know if the crowds will be will agree with it.

SPEAKER_01 16:27

Yeah, I totally get it. I mean, this is my um how you say in Germany you would say fluch and zing. So my curse and my um is my blessing that I can play so many different dramas I like to play, but of course, for sure it would have been much easier if I I stuck to one thing and also communicated that to the outer world and try to um yeah get more bookings, but I kind of decided like no, I don't want to do it, so yeah. Um it's it's cool because you you will not I'm gonna bend myself to what people want to hear, but it's also frustrating if you don't get so much bookings, or then you see okay, people leaving the dance floor, except of your friends that they like everything you play. So you really have to kind of yeah, balance that out, and um, I also try to focus more on on organizing myself events, yeah, like instead of trying to get to play it in different places where I'm maybe the people yeah, will not be so happy that I start with this and I end with something completely else. Yeah, so I also get it, but it's true that it's like this. I I know that when I had my collective before um like three years ago, we also did a small festival and we managed to have so many different genres in one place, and it actually worked out great. After that, we had a bit of like um a crisis and it the it collapsed, but but that time was really special, and I I was like, wow, you know, it's possible to do this. I I was actually inspired, um, but I it wasn't possible again to to get to this level. It was, I think, some kind of magic created um back then to make it possible, but it's also different the the kind of festival uh vibe than the the regular club vibe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that's um yeah, because of what you said that people do often um expect this one or two um specific genres, but if it's not like that, they might not be wanting to come or don't feel so happy about it. So yeah, that's a bit of a problem. So I'm trying to, I'm working on breaking this up and and organizing uh sometimes things that are more open and and experimental as well, but it's not so easy, it really isn't.

SPEAKER_04 18:56

Yeah, that's true, and um, like you said, it's hard to live also when you're DJing and you really want to go with a vibe, but the vibe is not with you.

SPEAKER_01 19:08

But that's what that reminds me. That's something that I also noticed in Vienna, uh, in in not everywhere, but sometimes in some clubs, when there's people coming, like DJs coming that have a big name, and um yeah, they maybe also used to to go in one direction, but they cannot really catch the vibe from the from the public. Many times for I have the feeling that at some point in in specific clubs, I'm not saying yeah the name, but uh that it happens that people start like get so talkative at the while the DJ is playing that the DJ DJ is feeling confused on what to play next because he cannot really read the room because so many people are talking at the same time. So I kind of observed that the last time I went out, and that DJ, it was actually Raresh, he's like a minimal DJ, he managed this so perfectly because he kind of took what he saw and he put really different also weird voice samples in and kind of got the attention from the crowd by by reflecting them and then taking them to different levels, and the the evening turned out great. I think it was not supposed to be that he plays the whole the full night, but he ended playing like five hours and the people really loved it because he knew how to read the room, but it's not easy in Vienna. I've I've watched this a few times that that also big like great details that they struggle because it's not really easy to read like big like the public in big clubs in Vienna. Yeah, interesting.

SPEAKER_04 20:37

Yeah, I would say that um from my perspective, um another thing which is complicated sometimes with the crowd is that the crowd is so calm, there is no reaction sometimes. Like if you go to France, to Paris, not Angers, I don't know to any city, people are really responding a lot. They are like uh crying, they are like screaming, they are showing, you know, okay, uh if they are happy or not with it. Yeah, but here sometimes I finish my sets and I'm like, oh, it was awful, and people are coming, oh it was cool, and I'm so surprised because when I saw their faces and when I was doing my thing, I had the feeling that everyone was too calm to really enjoy it.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

Yeah, it's so interesting to see it the swim. But it's true, I I I also I also witnessed that before. But if I'm there supporting someone or with my friends, we always like I think we we we uh make the noise for the whole public because no one else is doing it, so it's it's quite possible, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:47

Yeah, that's true, because sometimes when you're the one that are trying to um be the beginning of a of a stream, yeah, sometimes it works, so it's cool, but you need one or two people.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

To create the atmosphere. It's true. Yeah. That's interesting. So I'm still also figuring out this about the crowd in general, especially in on bigger events. Yeah, how to make them like move. I think what I feel when I go to raves that have more of this like high-technote bounds, maybe trans music that is a bit trending, but also includes many like um covers from like 90s tracks. That it's with this kind of music, it's also uh you're able to to to catch them faster because it kind of connects to their memories and like from the 90s, which I think is it's cool and it's it's interesting. It's not um me personally, I'm I'm not so much in this music, but I I saw uh many times that this this also works. It has some kind of it creates some kind of connection to people's past.

SPEAKER_04 22:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah, true. It's it's like sometimes you know, some in some sets when someone is gonna uh play uh a track which is really really famous, uh even sometimes commercial, but it's um if you play it at one specific moment and with a good crowd, it can really create a feeling of belonging to the same community, like more. So I can I can understand it what you say about the the old songs and like the the feeling it can create about people because often it's tracks they have already heard and uh or some um songs that are um making them remember some specific moments or specific things and it's it's a good experience too.

SPEAKER_01 23:46

Yeah. Do you like to to also include this kind of 90s or like millennial covers into your music or um or no?

SPEAKER_03 23:56

I mean it depends, it it can happen.

SPEAKER_04 23:58

It it really depends from the track, and yeah, I mean I I can I can like this kind of track, so I could play them actually, but it really depends from my state of mind because sometimes I maybe some days I'm like I'm hating these tracks, and some days I'm waking up and like oh today I love this track.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

It's cute, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:18

Really deep a friend from the woods.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

I get that, yeah. Did you see also a difference in people's behavior like towards each other? You said already that you saw okay that the public uh or the crowd usually is a bit more responsive to the DJ, yeah, or you witnessed it this way, and and the crowd um with each other.

SPEAKER_04 24:44

How is this kind of so yeah, it's interesting because um the good thing in France I would say is that the crowd is more um responsive, but uh the bad problem in France, the worst problem, is that the crowd is not uh always, or many times sometimes they don't really respect each other, so people are pushing and it's not it's normal for people, you know. And me personally, I don't like I I hate to be in a crowd when I feel pushed by the others. I don't really like people I don't know to like touch me, you know. Yeah, if it even if it's not like in a social way, I just you know, when you're too close, you're touching yourself, like touching the others. And um yeah, it's it's it's uh one of the biggest problems for me for the crowd in France is that people don't really care. They are like I think um they are used to to be really close to each other and not really take care of who is around, and it's something I I really don't like. I cannot feel good if I feel too pressed or pushed up. And something different too, also, is that sometimes like a lot of clubs in France are doing store booking, so they are um selling more places than they should be.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_04 26:07

Yeah, so people are really like pressed against each other and it doesn't help the situation. Yeah, and here it's it's um it's something I really like is that people are really respecting your place and they are not coming too close to you if they can avoid. Yeah, and clubs I have a feeling that clubs um don't sell more tickets than they should be, so at least you're sure you still have like places uh to dance and to breathe and to you know feel good in the party.

SPEAKER_01 26:44

Yeah, that's actually true. I mean, just some clubs around uh canal that sometimes they get really crowded, or they used to be also um to get really crowded. I haven't been there now for some for some time, but apart from them, I also never witnessed it to be so crowded. That brings me to another question. So may you noticed also that there's uh there is more awareness teams in Vienna. It has not always been like this. We talked also in the in the podcast that um in the past um this this was not existent, uh it just came after some kind of riots and also some initiatives from like individual people, collectives, that it created this um community and organization, that they asked demand also from the state of Vienna to get more uh to get also some funding to to implement this this structures, um, which is really amazing um that that happened, even though there's still work to do. But um yeah, how is that? Like did this does this exist in your city? I don't know, you have been also to Paris. How how is it there? Did you did you notice something?

SPEAKER_04 27:58

Yeah, it's interesting because uh yeah, actually in my city there is no awareness team. I don't think so. I've never seen them, I think. Uh there is some associations which are here uh to like for example give you some uh earplugs or uh talk to you about the effects of drugs or um yeah talk to you about harassment too. So there is some association, but they they only have a stand. So you have to come to them, or one of your friends have to catch them if something happens, but most of the time these associations are more here to prevent than to be here and um really be enough visible uh for you to go to them if you have a problem, for example. So yeah, I think the first time I discovered like an awareness team system, it was in Vienna three years ago. And uh no, in my city I've never seen that, and in other cities. Uh I've been to Nantes, for example, and to Paris, and I think it's the same. It's often uh some associations have a stance to talk about drugs, alcohol, and uh I don't know, give you some earplugs, all these kind of things, but it's it's not really awareness team, like in Jenna, for example.

SPEAKER_01 29:21

Yeah, it's not really developed. Okay, that's interesting. I I feel sometimes it would be nice to have more of these um yeah, associations maybe that we have a jacket um that they also do this, they have a stand and then they have much information, material um to the drugs, and you can also talk to them. But apart from um from them, that they are not, of course, always in any locations because they're not so huge, so that they could do it. Um it's basically mostly the awareness teams, but I wouldn't really like to have um more of this preventive um organizations as well. So maybe the the idea would have be to have both, not just the one and or the other. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:07

Yeah, yeah, that's true. It's interesting. Yeah, because um when I started to organize some parties here, it's really a question that I asked myself. So because um most of the venues ask you to or they tell you that they don't have their own awareness team, so if you want to organize one, you have to organize it by yourself. And it's a question that I'm sometimes asking for now. I uh I think I organized only two parties and there was almost no one, so it was okay. Yeah, but uh it's it's a good question because I thought once about uh doing it myself, but at the same time I asked myself a question like can I really be here if I'm doing the entrance and if I'm playing? You know, it's it's a lot of questions, and I think it's a really important topic. And now that I'm Vienna, but I I am more used to the runners team system. I was also once a runners team in uh in a in a club. So which one? Uh Grad Forella. Ah yes, how was that? It was it was interesting, it was a really cool experience actually. Uh and it was interesting because I have a feeling that um I was kind of formed, I don't know how to say it, but because um when you experience awareness team from the inside, it's totally different as uh you know just witnessing people and don't really know what is their role because like I told you in France I've never seen awareness team. So uh being in the inside really makes me think about more things and how to yeah, how to um um how to do it the best way, I would say. So that's because of that, but now I have also more ideas um of um like for the next parties I will organize, I will I will have more ideas of how um can I put in place uh a proper nesting system or do something, you know.

SPEAKER_01 32:19

Yeah, cool. I like that. I also uh when I started to sometimes help out in for like awareness teams for for other friends, um events, I also realized many things and asked myself how can I be more aware in general going out, um, not just this one sometime that I uh am part of a team, awareness team, but how to yeah, how to kind of trans transfer this to every time I go out to an event or a club, and it really changed my view um on many things actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you do it many times? I don't know, I cannot say right now a few times like many, many, but but a few times, um I don't know, five or six times maybe. Um but that yeah, that really um helped me to see certain behavior and also not to be shy to call it out, even though you're not official awareness team, yeah, because I had this discussions um before, uh sometime before um with people. If yeah, do we why should do we really need this? Uh should it not be that everyone takes care of each other, that we all be more aware, so we don't need to say to to leave this simply a this role? Yeah, to leave this role to to a um like a specific team. Okay, uh we go to the club and we we we don't care, we just like go there to party to have a good time, we don't care um what people are doing around us, like so I I totally understand the kind of view to say this should not be the end, uh it should not be where we're developing into as a society that you just uh give this part to someone else because you don't uh yeah, you don't want to kind of confront certain things that are not cool that are happening around you, but at the same time we're still not there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That people are like this aware or they're wanting to be more aware, or that we like prevent um for people to to to be less aware, let's say. So uh until and until we're not there, we need those people, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:39

Otherwise, yeah, I totally agree with you because it's the same. Um, when I was in France, so I created a collective with a friends and uh so a Flint collective, and uh actually we had only two in my city, and it's not that small, so normally we should have a whole, but we were only like two black flint from the collective. And um often we were confronted, I would say, to the question of yeah, but uh that's not normal to exclude people, uh, you exclude uh men, uh Caesar men, and you know it's it's it's it's the answer we always do. I think it's the fact that yeah, it it will be super cool to be all together in the same crew, but um we don't experience the same problems, yeah. And for now we are far, far, far from equality, so yeah, it was funny because it was open to this kind of um you know old crew of only old men saying this kind of thing. Why are you excluding people? We don't exclude anyone, but yeah, there is no women in our collectives, but it's only because we don't want to come. Yeah, maybe we don't want to come for a reason, you know. Yeah, that's true. So it's funny because uh it's the criticizing of this kind of um initiatives always come from the same people who have the power. Yeah, and don't want to understand that we don't experience the same.

SPEAKER_01 36:20

Yeah, that's true. Like, and I think also we're not there that we can be really equal, um, happy together, respectful, and then it's obvious that we need this, otherwise, um, yeah, many women also let's say other flinter trans, um for sure. Also, some men they they will have not good experiences going out, they will not feel um, yeah, they will they might in the worst case go home with the trauma and like if we can prevent that, yeah, we we need to do it, like there's no question about that. True, but it doesn't exclude the other thing that you also should um yourself think about okay, but how can I contribute? How can I maybe um help so that the women's team doesn't have to non-stop like kick out people? How what can I do if I see something around me? Like we were talking about this a lot in the last episodes, um, to to see what what us ourselves can do, but also our friends, and especially male friends, yeah, that that can be so helpful and being allies. True, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:28

Yeah, I think it's it's um it's um sometimes there is a misunderstanding uh all these all these initiatives um which are all about inclusions actually, not about exclusion, and there is uh some misunderstanding sometimes because um everyone can help, and I mean it's it's um it's it's an initiative for a better society and a better way of all being together, also yeah, like you say, like I uh in my city, for example, I think um I I I received actually a lot of help from male friends too. So um if they can help, everyone can help. It's important.

SPEAKER_01 38:14

Yeah, that's good. Uh it feels like a nice um ending with this topic. Um, yeah, to to to think about hey, where where can I help my friends if they need it or support them? But I think in order for that to happen, it's also good to remind yourself that you can ask others for help, that you don't have to do any everything alone. Yeah, something that I also need to tell myself more and also my friends more, that it's absolutely um important to ask for help because you cannot do it alone.

SPEAKER_04 38:50

Yeah, and I think it's also the project behind techno because techno musical has always been about um being in the community and helping each other, and it's yeah, I think it's a music that um is really about um being with others and um being inclusive too.

SPEAKER_01 39:12

Yeah, I like that. Um so okay, this feels like a good ending. Uh just one thing, um, when is the next date? Um do you have any next dates where you will be playing?

SPEAKER_04 39:25

Uh yes, normally I'm playing this Thursday.

SPEAKER_01 39:31

Okay. So it's tomorrow. The podcast is gonna be broadcasted. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. On Wednesday, so if you're listening to this tonight, then tomorrow you can see um Gapware.

SPEAKER_04 39:45

Uh in Kiki. It's in the 11th districts. Okay. And on Thursday night there is uh like a new project going on with uh some kind of house techno being played. So normally I'm playing tomorrow.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

Okay, I will link it in the show notes for everyone uh to check it out. And yeah, thank you so much. It was a pleasure.

SPEAKER_04 40:14

Thank you, it was a pleasure shared. I really appreciate this moment, yes.

SPEAKER_01 40:19

Um, and for everyone else, um this to next Mal, that's what and by this Jenna.