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S1E11: Parashat Jess & Julia

Robin & Jay Season 1 Episode 11

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What's makes a girly girl? Whose damp towel is this? And why might one hum wordlessly while handwashing? Ah HECKscher, let's LABEL some answers.

SPEAKER_02

Grab your perpetually damp towel and check that cupcake for a hecture. It's ParaShot Justin Julia this week on Jew Girl. Hello and welcome to Jew Girl, a New Girl podcast for the Jew Curious, in which I make my brother watch my favorite TV show New Girl for the first time and learn some stuff about Judaism.

SPEAKER_03

My name is Robin.

SPEAKER_00

My name is Jay. And in Latvia, they have this weird drink called Mel. And they also have that drink in Michigan.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, poor Michiganders.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, poor Michiganders.

SPEAKER_01

I love it.

SPEAKER_02

Jay, before we talk about anything else, you were right about the whole Leonard Nimoy peeking to see the priestly blessing.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

You sent me that clip. That was so cool. Shout out to the Yiddish Book Center if anyone wants to look up this oral history project interview with Leonard Nimoy on the Priestly Blessing. I did not know that there was a thing that, yeah, you're not supposed to look at the Kohanim, the you know, priest people when they're giving this priestly blessing. I don't know if they've just they don't do it in my congregation very often. Maybe I've done a huge faux pas every time it's come up.

SPEAKER_00

I haven't noticed and I haven't been shielding my face or my eyes, but and I don't remember whether or not it was uh like an ultra-orthodox congregation, or maybe it was a different type of congregation that he just happened to be attending. I'm not sure. So so maybe what you do at yours is different from wherever he happened to be as a kid when that happened. I I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, maybe. I mean, it does seem like my school is pretty conservadox, is what they call it. So I'm sure he grew up orthodox. So I wouldn't put it past my congregation to have done it, and it just kind of flown past me without noticing. Well, neat. But yeah, that was really cool. For the listeners, I guess there's it's a tradition because there's this idea that the Shekhina, which is like the feminine embodiment of God on earth, uh comes, hangs out while that blessing is being given. And it's so powerful and magical and divine that if you saw it or whatever, experienced it too directly, you're dead.

SPEAKER_00

So or something to that effect.

SPEAKER_02

Really cool.

SPEAKER_00

Unless you're Leonard Nimoy, in which case you survive and live to tell the tale.

SPEAKER_02

Exactly. And you get a divine little message that says, put this in Star Trek. Love it. Well, shall I jump into a recap? Let's hear it. Okay. So first off, we have Julia, Nick's lawyer love interest. And she is helping Jess try to get out of a t a traffic ticket, but she quickly makes it clear that she does not like Jess. Kind of insulting her whole girly, whimsical thing, quote, thing. Nick insists that Julia doesn't do passive-aggressive girl fights like that and is always upfront about everything. But Jess proves him wrong by revealing that Julia had sort of asked after whether Nick was seeing other women. So that sparks a whole conflict between Nick and Julia, who are both trying to play it cool and pretend they don't want anything serious, even though they clearly do. And Julia also confronts Jess directly about telling Nick that and straight up says she does not like her. But by the end of the episode, Nick and Julia finally admit that they do want to be exclusive boyfriend, girlfriend. And Jess also ends up standing up for herself, telling Julia that, you know, liking cute girly things does not mean that she is not smart and tough and strong. And Julia eventually comes to apologize. Meanwhile, Winston is grappling with the fact that he might not have game now that he's not a basketball player. He tries to get with his old booty call Shelby, but it initially flops uh because he's too self-absorbed. He realizes he needs to be better to her, and so then when he tries again, then she agrees to go out with him sometime. Also, meanwhile, Schmidt is upset about how damp his towel always is, no matter what he does. And at the end of the episode, we learn that it's because he's been using Nick's towel this whole time. So funny. Also, he wants to talk vaginas sometime with Jess's lesbian gynecologist friend Sadie, who's introduced this episode. Hi, Sadie. Hi, Sadie.

SPEAKER_01

Love you, Sadie.

SPEAKER_02

So that's it.

SPEAKER_01

Those are the those are the plots.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I are we gonna be seeing more of Sadie? We we were watching and I was like, who is this? Am I supposed to remember who this is? But I guess we were introduced to them.

SPEAKER_02

Remember who it is. She does come up. She does come up. In fact, I think they may even make good on this desire to talk vaginas sometime. So be prepared.

SPEAKER_00

Well, should should I talk about my feelings for this episode?

SPEAKER_02

Please do pull out the feeling stick.

SPEAKER_00

Well, one of the biggest overarching things was Schmidt was just real disappointing. I I thought this episode. I mean, we'll get into it when we get into the Sadaka box, but like he was just, I felt like every minute I was writing something down, like, oh, you're kind of a jerk for this joke, you're kind of a jerk for that joke. I mean, I mean, you know, they're all still jokes and and nothing was like horribly egregious, but like that just being like wanting to bond.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, running into the room when he heard the word lesbian is what I put on my Duschbeck Zadakovag notes. I was like, all right. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00

That was the lesbian note where I was like, the okay, Schmidt, come on. Like, yeah, how how caricaturized of yourself can you be? I don't know. Like, you know, the the writers are are going a back and forth, you know. We see an episode where Schmidt has some growth and then they bring him back to his archetype for laughs, ha-ha ha's in the in the next episode.

SPEAKER_02

So you can't have him grow too quickly. You know, it needs to be a slow burn. We got a lot of seasons left.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_02

It would be artificial if he just turned a corner too quickly, I guess.

SPEAKER_00

Right. I I need to keep reminding myself of that. But yeah, other feelings. I really thought that this episode had a sweet resolution between Nick and Julia. Julia, she's not out after one episode. She's still on the show.

SPEAKER_02

Hanging around.

SPEAKER_00

We'll see if she hangs in there longer than Justin Long. Rest in peace. Overall, good episode. That is very funny about the towel thing, too. I don't know if it's ever determined who owns the towel, but they both definitely are using it.

SPEAKER_01

I'll tell you what, pal, I've never used that.

SPEAKER_02

I do use that one every single day. That's in my favorite moments list.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And and I love, I think about this honestly all the time. Anytime I'm like, has it been too long since I've washed my towel? I think about how he ends up with like, you know how to wash the towel. The towel washes me. Who washes a towel? What am I gonna do?

SPEAKER_01

Wash the shower next? Wash a bar of soap? You gotta think here, pal.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

You guys don't wear each other's underpants? You're lying. We all wear each other's underpants.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that whole section is so maybe when we're done with the show, we'll find a compilation or make one of all of the most red flag things about Nick. And just compile them back to back.

SPEAKER_01

You call them red flags. I love them. I love them so much. They're what makes him him, you know. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

No, he's got a he's got a charm in his nickness. Anyways, favorite moments. Peripheral vision. Julia's making fun of her big eyes, or someone is, and she says, you know, like she's defending herself and says, like, but I do have really good, almost too good peripheral vision.

unknown

Sorry.

SPEAKER_00

Really funny. Schmidt is like Ellis Island in the 1900s. He accepts anybody.

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

Also, when Jess is razzing Nick for not using labels, and then you know, Nick and Julia use each other's names, and she says, Oh, using names not too labely for you. I just I thought that was pretty funny. What were your favorite moments?

SPEAKER_02

Beyond the towel thing, this is another thing that I think about and quote all the time. My husband quotes it too, when Jess she like whispers, there are tampons hidden all over the apartment. And then later she points and says, In a tampon when he finds it in the apron.

SPEAKER_01

I think about that anytime. You know, sometimes you find one in a purse or a pocket, and we always are like, there are tampons hidden all over the apartment.

SPEAKER_02

And then the other favorite moment I wrote down is of course, you know, I love just a litany of jokes, a list of jokes when Jess is outlining Nick Miller's list of fears, sharks, tap water, and real relationships, and then Nick adds, and blueberries. Probably also on your red flag list. For me, it's what makes Nick Miller so lovable.

SPEAKER_00

Just nonsense boy. I just want to know why he's afraid of blueberries, you know? And I hope that that that's not just a one-off joke and that it'll circle back in in some later season, you know? We'll find out. I wonder if they had character bibles for all of their characters, right? You're familiar with the character bible?

SPEAKER_02

I am, I think. All the lore that you've built up.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, basically like a binder with all of the lore about a character that actors will have and writers will have for each character on a show. I hope that's in there.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Uh episode one, Jess writes, says the word penis, and then episode three or whatever, doesn't ever say the word penis out loud. She forgot to read like a page ago in her character Bible. That's okay. You know, it's a sitcom, Jay. I wouldn't put too much stock. I'm sure there's a lot of inconsistency. Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_00

You're right, you're right. Um I'm looking at it with too uh too much of a magnifying glass, I suppose.

SPEAKER_02

You're being like a like a film guy with a capital F, but this is a sitcom with a lowercase S. And so we already mentioned dropping some coins in that douchebag tadaka box. This is where we, you know, put our little tadaka, our little charity in our our version of the douchebag jar for things that Schmidt does usually. So what have we got? What have we got? I already mentioned him running into the room just because he hears the word lesbians. What else do you got for me?

SPEAKER_00

Schmidt just flexing, you know, in front of Nick's girlfriend. Like trying to, I don't know, trying to impress her. When he's talking something about like Asian markets, and I think Jess can back me up on this. That was such a like small mod. I was like, wait, wait, wait. Does he think that Jess is Asian? What is he implying here?

SPEAKER_01

I didn't even catch that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So weird. Yeah. And then also just like him saying out loud that he thought when he got a female roommate that he would be sleeping with her and all of her friends.

SPEAKER_02

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00

Like, wow. And then you just like say anything that pops into your head, Schmidt.

SPEAKER_02

Although I did, I forgot, I wrote this down for feeling shtick. I do love the moment in that scene when he's like pointing to them and saying why he isn't sleeping with all of them. But to Cece, he goes, You, I will never give up.

SPEAKER_00

Which I actually think is very cute and funny. I actually like that a lot. And leads into my idea that maybe he and Cece are gonna end up together. I think this could this gave me some hope that that theory might pan out. But I also had other Sadaka Box little coins to add for Winston, just assuming that he was gonna get sex on this date. He's a bad person to date. He's really bad at it. Yes. Uh, he assumes a lot and is a bad listener, is just like not uh not a great person. But you know, he made some he made some progress on that front, I guess, in this episode. Good good on him. And also a little bit, Julia for calling out Jess's thing. She was kind of a jerk the way she she did it. I mean, she doesn't think that she's being a jerk, maybe. She thinks that Jess knows what the thing is, and that it's not like maybe who she actually is, and that she's like literally insulting her on like a fundamental level.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. No, Julia's really mean this episode, for sure. She's really mean. I I made this note to myself. Maybe I shouldn't even say it. I honestly feel at some level like I relate to Julia because, like, I don't know, I'm not a super girly girl, right? Sure. But I still would like to think that I wouldn't be that mean. She is. She's being super, super mean and like explicitly telling her I don't like you. I don't like your whole thing. Like, that's that's too much. So even if the dark part of me relates to that, she's like the the cautionary tale. I don't want to be like that.

SPEAKER_00

I almost wouldn't even call that like the dark thoughts or anything. I, when watching it, almost wanted to equate it to like she's the audience. She's like the first time the audience gets to talk in the show. I mean, the audience probably likes Jess on the whole, but she's saying things that like almost only the audience could point out about her mystical, otherworldly, you know, hyper unrealistic whimsy.

SPEAKER_02

You're right. She's speaking for the audience, saying, You are written as a manic pixie dream girl. Like, yeah, that's such a good point.

SPEAKER_00

And the other thing is what she said made me think about Jess a little differently because I don't think I ever would have called Jess a girly girl, which is weird. This is this is more just like self-reflection on how I think of Jess as a manic pixie dream girl versus just like what I think of as typical girl or stereotypical girl or girly girl, right? It's like not the same archetype in my mind, at least, right? Like I think a manic pixie dream girl as being more like earthy, crunchy, like almost alternative in a way, and not just like, you know, I think girly girl and I think like Barbie. Anything Barbie, right? Like those sorts of vibes. But I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

That's true. More eclectic than turkey. I guess Jess is sort of like the overlap of the Venn diagram because she's both on the one hand, you know, like, let me get my beard, I'm being Galileo at school today.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_02

Quirky, eclectic. And also she rocks a lot of polka dots, as the the friend once said, you know, she does uh wear those little skirts and but but then at the same time, like Cece has to coach her through dressing sexy, like when she goes to that wedding, they're like, no, no, you have to put on a real dress and look nice. Like she it's true, she that doesn't come without saying. Like it's it's not a given that she's always super girly and feminine and pretty and dolled up, like Cece is. Right. Yeah, that's a good point.

SPEAKER_00

So, all that to say, Julia, you're wrong. Jess is more complex than you think she is.

SPEAKER_02

That's right. She is more complex, she's a three-dimensional character, Julia.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02

Well, do you want a little trivia?

SPEAKER_00

I would love some trivia.

SPEAKER_02

Here, this is the fun one. Shelby is Jewish!

SPEAKER_04

Hey, just Jewish.

SPEAKER_02

Her mom's Jewish. She grew up with some Yiddish words, I think she's talked about before.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Jewish. Nice. And then let's see. I also wrote down the car just drives normally, and the car and the citation are different colors and makes. Volvo versus Ford. Someone online thought that was a fun fact. I guess I'm not sure how fun we find it, but car discrepancy. See, where is the character Bible for Jess's car? There you go. No one consulted.

SPEAKER_00

I guess the magnifying glass I'm using isn't as strong as that person.

unknown

That's right.

SPEAKER_01

You mean you didn't pause it on the ticket shot and read all the fine print?

SPEAKER_02

No, I guess not. Guess not. Not very observant of you, Jay. But now, hey oh, let's see. We can be observant, two observant Jews in this segment I like to call observant Jews, where we find out if we two Jews observed some things in particular, specifically any Jewish jokes. And the elusive episode bear. So, Jay, did you observe anything Jewish?

SPEAKER_00

Yes. When Schmidt is naked towards the end of the episode, and Jess yells, you are Jewish.

SPEAKER_02

That's right.

SPEAKER_00

Alluding to him being circumcised.

SPEAKER_02

You got it. I also, under this little segment, I also counted the Ellis Island line. I know it's not explicit, but Schmidt's Jewish. Ellis Island, obviously a big piece of the Jewish Eastern European, at least Jewish immigration story in America around that time. So I was like, count it. Let's talk about the bear. Let's talk about the episode bear. Did you find it?

SPEAKER_00

I did not. Oh, so there was one?

SPEAKER_02

No, there wasn't. I didn't find one either. And I googled it, and somebody is like, oh, they say the name of somebody named Teddy. Like the first name of somebody they mention is Teddy.

SPEAKER_01

Ooh, I give that a thumbs down.

SPEAKER_00

Good attempt, a swing and a miss. No, okay, I shouldn't boo it. Cute attempt, internet, cute attempt. Good magnifying glass, internet.

SPEAKER_01

That's right. You know what?

SPEAKER_00

Good point. Be positive. And also, like maybe the fridge bear, but I I didn't see any specific shots that I was not on the lookout for Elijah this week.

SPEAKER_02

Despite it being Passover season, I forgot to keep an eye out for Elijah the fridge bear. So he might have been there too. Good point.

unknown

Good point.

SPEAKER_02

Do you have any Schmidbits for me? I sure do. I'm so glad you asked, Jay. Okay, so welcome to the segment called Schmidbits, in which I give you a little tidbit on something Jewish based on something that Schmidt, our boy Schmidt, canonical Jew of the Loft, said or did this episode. And this week I'm talking towels because he's got that whole thing about the damp towel that's just plaguing him all episode long. So we're gonna talk about washing and drying, basically towels, towel for drying, washing and okay. So whatever. The thing that came to mind when I thought about towels and Judaism is that we use a towel, a little hand towel, ritually every single week on Shabbat. So we're gonna talk about what is called netilat yadaim. I'm gonna put that in chat because that is a mouthful. That is a towel. And netilat yadaim is it's referring to hand washing, ritual hand washing, followed by drying. Oh.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. Speaking of Passover being recent, I didn't realize how many of the portions of the Seder are about hand washing.

SPEAKER_02

Uh see, that's I was gonna say you may remember from the part of our family's Passover Saders that we always skipped over and never did.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02

Like every now and then an aunt would have compunction and be like, I'm gonna get up and do it on behalf of everyone, you know?

SPEAKER_00

My joke is it's not a Haggada if there isn't a portion that you skip.

SPEAKER_02

Oh my god, so true. So everyone can agree with that. Oh, I meant to bring in my little cup to show you the example as I describe it, but that's okay. So ritual hand washing is prescribed in many situations. Uh one of the main times being um that you wash before eating a meal with bread or matzah after Passover. And you usually use a distinctive cup with two handles. If you can imagine a little pitcher jug cup with a handle on both sides. So you're using this to pour on both your hands the number of pours you do, whoosh, whoosh, whoosh, um, and the order of the hands with you do it. They're quibbling about it, it's quibbled about, and it changes apparently based on exactly what you're doing the hand washing for. But essentially for bread meals, you pour two or three times on one hand, and then two or three times on the other hand, and then before drying your hands, you hold your hands up and recite the bracha. So before you reach for that towel, towel schmid bit, uh, you hold your hands up and you recite the bracha. That's uh brachatarana, alohainu malachalam, it's that whole, you know, normal formulation, Ashirk Chanibum it's vota vitivanu. And then the end bit for this specific blessing is Al Natilat Yedaim. So that end bit is is basically sometimes translated as who commanded us concerning the washing of hands. But literally it means uh concerning the lifting of the hands. Because you lift your hands before you dry them with a towel, or at least you're supposed to. So you do your little wash, wash, wash with your cute little cup, and then you hold up your hands and you say the blessing, and then you dry them. And sometimes when in families that don't skip that part of a Seder or a Shabbat meal, they will have a little like bowl filled with water that they pass around with the cup in it. So they'll kind of like pass the bowl around and everybody does it one at a time. There's also a tradition, I'll mention this, um, a tradition of not speaking from the time between when you wash your hands and the breaking of the bread, eating the bread, saying the blessing over the bread, homotsi. And I don't actually know why, but what I do know is that because there's this practice, sometimes instead of to help people remember not to talk, they sing little nice wordless melodies called nigunim. So that's a thing that sometimes you'll if you go to like a Shabbat dinner, um, and they're doing that, if if nobody's talking, that's why you sort of have to like remember, oh, don't accidentally start strike up a conversation after you've washed your hands before we eat the bread. Um, and then sometimes they'll do a little song.

SPEAKER_03

Cause the song it helps you remind remind you not to talk, but it also like, you know, keeps you in that mood, spiritual mood, kind of nice. We're in a different different part of the week.

SPEAKER_00

How interesting. Yeah, so that's towels. Have you ever sang one of those little wordless melodies?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, of course. Many, many a time.

SPEAKER_00

Can you sing one now?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, well, the thing about a nigunem is it can be any melody. There's basically like this whole library of melodies, especially from Hasidic groups. They like to write beautiful nigunem, and there's just a lot. So it because they're wordless, sometimes they're hard for me to conjure up. Can I think of any?

SPEAKER_00

Not to put you on the spot. You don't have to think like that. I know. Can it be anything? Can it be Smashmouth?

SPEAKER_02

You know, I guess what would stop us, I suppose, from singing Smashmouth? What would stop us? I think uh traditionally there are probably melodies that are associated with these Jewish tunes. And uh but hey, if the purpose if smashmouth will get you in the Shabbat mindset and help you remember not to strike up a convo right after washing your hands, why not? I say. I sanction it. Robin sanctions it.

SPEAKER_00

Or maybe some Hans Zimmer.

SPEAKER_01

Nice Hans Zimmer.

SPEAKER_00

Like, did he do did he do Inception? Yeah, he did do Inception. Or Interstellar. Yeah, I think, yeah, he did both of those. She's one of these really stressful. He also did some of the Lion King, though, much earlier.

SPEAKER_01

Did he?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, he was doing stuff for a long time before I think he was more colloquially known.

SPEAKER_02

That's cool. I will tell you, Jay, melodies. I mean, so the thing about Jewish liturgy, this is a tangent here, but we have like the words of these prayers that are pretty set, right? Like there's these common prayers. Um, but melodies, they're just like, there's a bajillion different melodies for all of these throughout cultures, throughout congregations, throughout time, people inventing melodies like these nigunim that they would maybe apply to one of the prayers that has words, you know. So in shul, in synagogue, it feels like you're singing songs. But the point is that the words are set, but the melodies change all the time. Like people will just come with their own melodies, like I'm gonna do this melody this week, or they just, you know, sometimes they write their own melodies. One of our old rabbis wrote a lot of beautiful melodies himself. So um, but also congregations will just do like a beach boys song, like Sloop John B. I can't remember which prayer we do it for, but we a hundred percent do the melody of Sloop John B, the beach boy song, for one of these things in the service. It's great.

SPEAKER_00

Send me the link to that later. I don't I don't know if I know that one by now. You know Sloop John B? I mean, I might recognize it.

SPEAKER_01

Grandfather and me. No? Something and something ashore, something about boats. I don't know. It's a nautical song. It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00

Copyright strike! Copyright. That's true. You can't include it. No, that's fine. That was your uh rendition.

SPEAKER_02

Exactly. As a parody. I mean, I got like two percent of the words correct, anyways.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly. There you go.

SPEAKER_02

So that's towels. That's towels in Judaism.

SPEAKER_00

That's nice. Netilatiadaim. How do you?

SPEAKER_02

That's exactly right.

SPEAKER_00

Netipot.

SPEAKER_02

Netipot, yeah. So that's the whole blessing. Most of it you know, and so you can just after that Vitzivanu.

SPEAKER_03

All neti latiya daim.

SPEAKER_00

Would you would you sing, see, if if I see a Hebrew prayer that's of a certain length, I want to default to the Hanukkah melody as opposed to like the wine prayer melody. And I don't know if like, is that common? Like like what tune would you default to for something like this? Or would you just say it?

SPEAKER_02

Honestly, it depends on the bracha I'm doing. For Netulat Yadaim, I don't actually think I use a tune at all. I think I just sort of like because it's a very solitary act, everyone's doing it one at a time. And so I pour pa poor, purpore, and then I kind of just whisper it to myself, sort of, before I draw my hands. But other things, I mean, we grew up knowing primarily the melody for pure puri hagaffin that you use at Passover.

unknown

Right?

SPEAKER_02

But there's other tunes that are more commonly used just for like Shabbat.

SPEAKER_03

So Elohinu melech alumbre puri hagafin, I think is how I normally do it.

SPEAKER_02

And it's actually a thing, you know, to make certain days special. They have special melodies that set it apart from the normal day. So I all that to say I know a few different ways to sing a lot of these, and it depends on the prayer, and also if it's a holiday versus not a holiday. Yeah. Neat. Like I said, melodies are just interchanging all over. This is now a theme. You're seeing it come and go with the nigunim and the liturgy and these brachot. Brachut being the plural of bracha, which means blessing.

SPEAKER_00

Maybe I if I can suggest one. Brach ata adonai elheinu shirk and sha nu.

SPEAKER_01

That's good.

SPEAKER_00

That's good. I'm gonna try it out this week. That's funny. Also, the only Smash Mouth song I know. And that's that's fine. That's just fine with me.

SPEAKER_02

Is it Drosh Time? I think it's Drosh time. I am gonna talk to you today, Jay, about a theme that's actually already been mentioned this episode. You actually touched on it already. And it is the theme of labels. Oh. Labeling. Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Get your label machines out.

SPEAKER_02

That's right. We actually did just buy one. But that's neither here nor there. So in this episode, I'm seeing it come up in a few different places. Let me lay it out for you. Nick and Julia's whole storyline about whether or not they're exclusive culminates with the labeling by the end of boyfriend and girlfriend. Sort of all leading up to that. They're all dancing around the label. Are we boy? Are we exclusive? And then by the end, they've got that label locked down, which is a pretty positive way of looking at labels. If we think of labels from a more negative perspective, that of flattening someone into stereotypes, we see that, of course, playing out in Julia's interactions with Jess, right? She's clearly typing Jess as a certain kind of woman and judging her for it. Interestingly, though, as I was writing this up, I noticed Julia doesn't actually use a lot of like noun labels when describing Jess's whole thing. It's mostly descriptors of actions, both real, like making dessert and having big eyes and wearing colorful skirts. And imagined, like birds helping her get dressed in the morning and using the word blanky. So I never used the word blanky. I think the closest she might come to applying a noun to Jess is later when she calls her the really fun teacher girl, which is not exactly a label, right? But it's just interesting. She doesn't like, she's not actually slapping on a bunch of labels. Anyway, that dynamic, actually, the labeling without labeling sort of forms the crux of Nick and Jess's discussion about it, right? Because Nick is hung up on what did she actually say. Whereas Jess and her friends are trying to tell him, listen, like in a girl fight like this, it's not about the literal words. It's about the implicit meaning, the subtext. So the metaphorical labeling is happening, right? She's being boxed into a stereotype, even without the use of a verbal label. Sure. Which is interesting. And actually just uses labels at the end to sort of combat Julia's judgment by declaring that she is a few things, right? That she is strong and smart and tough. I don't know what order she says those in, but she's sort of like just applying different labels as a way to stand up to the stereotyping, which is kind of interesting. Yeah. Yeah. In Winston's story, I see Shelby being labeled a booty call and that affecting how Winston goes on to treat her. It really paints her as someone two-dimensional. Two-dimensional or one-dimensional? What's the phrase?

SPEAKER_00

Well, it's less than three, so I think that's fine either. It's fewer than three for sure.

SPEAKER_02

So because she's not, you know, he's not thinking of her as this fully fleshed-out person. She's just, quote, a booty call that he used to have. Of course, he would only talk about himself and, you know, not wonder what she's been up to for the last two years while he's been in Latvia. So he's really flattening her. He's also, um, he's also hung up on having what he would label game, right? In his own labeling of himself, he used to be somebody with game, but he's realizing maybe he was only someone with game because he was a basketball player. And now that he's lost the basketball player label, has he also lost the got game label? So he's sort of hung up on that typing of himself. And there's not a ton to connect labels to in Schmidt's subplot, honestly. Although he's clearly drawn to the label lesbian and the whole fantasy stereotype that conjures up for him. Oh, but also, lol, he would have benefited from the towels being literally labeled. The towels are labeled.

SPEAKER_00

I was about to say the labels come into play with the towels. Yes. Exactly. If only. Or the lack thereof.

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Exactly.

SPEAKER_02

So that's how I see some labeling going on in the episode, use of labels. And I'm using this as an excuse to talk about hexures. This is uh an important labeling thing in Judaism. Do you know what a hexure is?

SPEAKER_00

Not at all.

SPEAKER_02

Let me put that in the chat for you.

SPEAKER_00

He said it in the intro command, and I was like, what? What is that? Guess I'll find out. Guess you'll find out now.

SPEAKER_02

Hecture. Hecture. These are, and you know what these are, you just don't know the name for them. These are the little labels, the little symbols on food packages that show that something is certified kosher. I guess hexher literally means approval. I didn't know that. Uh, but it's like a seal, a literal seal of approval. So certified meaning that there are a bunch of certifying bodies that rabbinically endorse a food as being certifiably kosher. And when I say a food, I really mean the production of a processed food. Sure. You know? And so it's just confirming that it conforms with dietary Jewish laws, basically. They're not, you know, also processing pork on this assembly line or something like that that might get your beef contaminated, making sure actually for animals, there's like a whole ritual slaughter component, I think. Kosher meat's harder to find, understandably. But anyway, these little symbols, textures, there are different categories of them. There's like three big types, four four types. There's kosher dairy, kosher meat, and parv. Those are the three normal categories. So sometimes you will see kosher, you'll see the kosher symbol with a little D next to it. And that means it's a dairy, it means it contains dairy. So of course that's important because we're keeping our milk and our meat separate. So if you're having a meat meal, you want to avoid things that are labeled dairy. So there's kosher dairy with a little D on it. Kosher meat, it'll specify that. And then here was the third word, parv. Spelled a bunch of different ways. Sometimes it's pronounced like parv a little bit more. But uh that means it's neutral, neither meat nor dairy. Kosher parv. So you can eat it with either a dairy or a meat meal. And you'll see that little word written on it.

SPEAKER_00

Would it say parv or would it have a pea?

SPEAKER_02

It would say parv. Okay. I believe. And I think that is because this last category is kosher for Passover. So that also gets a little call out on Hectors, and I believe that's just a P. Although sometimes it is explicitly written out kosher for Passover, or in Hebrew, kosher lapesach, if you can read the Hebrew. And of course, that denotes that it doesn't have any khumets, uh, you know, risen, risen bread in it. Leavening agents. So yeah, kosher dairy, kosher meat, parv, and kosher for Passover. And there are different symbols, lots and lots of different symbols, actually, because there are different certification bodies who are issuing these little trademarked symbols to certify that something is kosher. And these organizations have varying levels of stringency, how strict they are with the rules. And therefore, not every hexher is accepted by everybody. If you're really, really super concerned about kosher status, you might only trust the hectures that are put put out by certain orthodox bodies. If you're a little less concerned, maybe you trust a wider variety of certification. So the biggest one though, the the most prevalent one, which if you start to look for it, you'll probably see it everywhere. Uh is a U in a circle. Okay and that's the biggest certification agency, I believe. It's OU Kosher. It's the Orthodox Unions agency. Let me send you a picture.

SPEAKER_00

Thanks for sending me that photo. We had no technical difficulties in making that happen. Taking a screenshot. No time has elapsed since when you said you would send that.

SPEAKER_01

It's a literal U in a circle.

SPEAKER_02

Here, let me do that another one. In this example, you can see. Oh, actually, these have other words that I didn't cover. Glot. Glot kosher is like a whole level of stringency. Uh D for dairy, P for now. I don't know. Now I'm questioning everything I told you about par versus Passover. But anyway, you can see the point. Little letters are being added on next to the U in a circle. Sure. You get the idea. So foods goes without saying that have tray versions like pepperoni pizza, frozen lasagna. Hard to find those with hectures. Um vegetarian companies are usually the best bet there. And there are plenty of things that don't need a hexher, of course, because we're just talking about stuff that's being, you know, processed by people. But raw, unprocessed foods like fruits and vegetables, and even whole fish, assuming they're a kosher type of fish, whole eggs, dried beans and lentils, pure honey. Let's see, what else had errand? Oats, rice, sugar, quinoa, salt, all these things don't need a hexher. They're just sort of inherently fine. Even when you're buying them from a store, pre-packaged, nobody's doing anything to these that could render them unkosher.

SPEAKER_00

Does a rabbi not need to bless the food technically to make something kosher? I always thought there was something about blessing the food that also made something kosher.

SPEAKER_02

That's a great question. And I think it's a myth. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's a myth. I'm checking it now. AKC kosher certification telling me the biggest myth about kosher certification is that it consists of a rabbi blessing the food. Hmm. So yeah, I guess that's a myth. The more you know. The more you know. Copyright client. Oh yeah. Oh, that reminded me, I meant to say, you can't trademark just the letter K. So sometimes companies will think they're being tricksy and cute and just put a K randomly on the box and pretend that it means their kosher, but you can't, all of these symbols are trademarked symbols, and that's how you know that it's legit when they show up on a box. But because you can't just trademark a letter, if you see just a K, like not in a circle or not in a little Torah shape or you know, anything like that, it might it's probably not legit unless they just have gotten the certification and like don't realize they have to actually use the correct symbol. So anyway, sometimes you'll see that. It's interesting. Oh wow. But a lot of places, even if they'll accept like most hectures, they'll probably still say, except for just the plain K, because it's like nothing. Gotcha. Cheese is divisive, believe it or not. Because of animal rennet, I guess you make cheese with rennet, which is like an enzyme in animal stomachs. So that raises the question, like, oh, is it mixing meat and dairy because it comes from an animal? Or has it been transformed so much that it has lost its meat character? So yeah, some people are fine with hexureless cheese if the label says that it's made with microbial or vegetarian enzymes. You'll see that a lot on packaging now. Um, because I guess vegetarians and vegans care about this too, to some extent, maybe that not all cheese is quote, vegetarian necessarily. Sure. And then other movements have a ruling. The conservative movement, for example, has a ruling that all cheese is fair game. I mean, obviously not like smoked meat-flavored cheese that involves actual meat making it.

SPEAKER_00

Not bacon mixed cheese.

SPEAKER_02

Exactly. Not your bacon cheddars. Um, but you know, they're like modern rennet is so distant from the original animal source that it's no longer considered a meat product. That's the rationale there. So um, people who have a kosher kitchen, if you hear someone say they have a kosher kitchen, often that means that all products that they use in their kitchen are certified kosher, meaning they have a hexher. It all hinges on the hexher. So that's us now. When we when we koshered our kitchen back in the day, all of the stuff we buy now has a hexher on it, which makes you stand around a supermarket looking at boxes more closely than you're used to, but you start to get familiar with the brands that that have the hexher.

SPEAKER_00

You have a kosher kitchen?

SPEAKER_02

We have a kosher kitchen, that's right. And people, of course, you don't need a you know kosher kitchen with capital K's like that. Well, the capital K means nothing.

SPEAKER_01

Good, Jay. I've taught you well enough to make a good joke.

SPEAKER_02

But of course, you can still be kosher style. You can keep kosher style without a hexher, which is what we did before we koshered the kitchen. So that just means like you you abide by all the basic rules: no pork, no shellfish, no non-kosher fish, no mean plus dairy, no insects. That's another one, by the way. If you're getting vegetables which are inherently kosher, they don't need a hexher, you still have to check for insects because bugs are not kosher.

SPEAKER_00

So we recently found a dead caterpillar in a head of broccoli that we bought. It was very sad. Poor caterpillar.

SPEAKER_02

That is horrifying, Jay.

SPEAKER_00

That's horrifying. It was a little traumatizing. But hey, good thing we we found it. Good thing you checked and didn't just chop the whole thing up and throw it in. Uh you know. What? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And not just because it kept you kosher.

SPEAKER_00

So do you not have any dairy in your kitchen, or do you not have any meat in your kitchen? Because I imagine you have to have one or the other, right?

SPEAKER_02

You are so smart, Jay. So kitchens that do have both will have separate dishes for meat and for dairy. And, you know, depending on the extremes to which you take this, I mean some ultra-orthodox families have like two sinks.

SPEAKER_00

I did recently hear about a woman who has two kitchens.

SPEAKER_02

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00

Maybe on TikTok. I don't, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_02

So, anyway, very astute question because, of course, I do not have two sets of anything. So when we koshered our kitchen, we became a vegetarian kitchen, which means that we are dairy only or parv. Of course, we might eat a meal that's accidentally parv, accidentally vegan, as they say, right? But yeah, we do not cook meat in our house. Anytime we are eating meat in our home, it is on paper plates with, you know, disposable utensils because we can't do it on our stuff. We can't cook it in our stuff, we can't use our utensils unless we wanted to re-cosher, which, you know, we could do too. It's not super hard to kosher like uh metal, for example.

SPEAKER_00

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_02

So very astute question.

SPEAKER_00

At a later date, you'll have to you'll have to go through the process of koshering, but I don't want to go down that rabbit hole right now.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. It would be a good topic for another day. Do you want to do something else right now? Sure. Do you want to go on a Jewish adventure quest?

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely, I do. I think you should think of all the sound effect opportunities. That's right. What should I do?

SPEAKER_02

I think you should go to your kitchen and see if you can find things with hectures. I think you should try to find a you hexher. That's probably gonna be easy. Okay. And maybe see if you can find another hecture. Uh don't cheat and use a leftover box of matzah from Passover. That was because that's definitely gonna have hexture. Although you can look on it. Honestly, we looked at one of our matzo boxes and it was like obviously kosher, but it was like not for use at Passover, not kosher for Passover. We definitely use the for Passover. We do not, speaking of separate sets of dishes, some people have separate sets of dishes for Passover that don't come in contact with leavening stuff, comets. We do not have that kosher kitchen. So we are not kosher for Passover. Do not tell.

SPEAKER_00

So we used the kosher, but not kosher for Passover matza. Speaking of matza, I was in the store and I did buy matzah for Passover. Nice and I almost Bought like a whole wheat matza because I saw I saw that. I saw like regular, just said like matzah and then one that was like egg matza, right? And I was like, oh, I don't know what that is. I guess I'll just go with the regular matza. Saw it was a whole wheat thing. Looked at the image of it a little bit closer and was like, that looks less like the matzah I'm used to having. And then I looked at the egg matza package a little bit closer and I was like, that looks a lot like the matza I'm used to having. So I'm gonna buy that one instead and assume that for my whole life our family has been buying whatever this egg matza is. That also has like it has like fruit juice mixed into it and egg and stuff. So it's like it tastes better, I guess, than whatever the other horrible, probably like wheat thin cracker consistency was gonna be of the whole wheat kind. That was you know what I mean? Like one looked so unappetizing, and one looked like the normal level of unappetizing. And so a lot of the egg matza.

SPEAKER_02

And you know what's funny? I don't even think all communities consider egg matza kosher for Passover, but you're absolutely right. I'm sure we ate egg matza growing up. In addition to regular matzo, I think what it has going for it is that it's the same color as quote normal, you know, default matzah. So definitely when you're visually comparing egg versus whole wheat, we're not eating whole wheat matzah and that looks that's a different color. So that's why you would be more drawn to that nice light beige of an egg matza.

SPEAKER_00

So there's a there's another matza that's not an egg matzah but looks the like egg matzo is mimicking the look of the regular matzo I'm used to. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Exactly. Yeah. Default matzah is pretty pale, just like egg matza.

SPEAKER_00

So you have default as opposed to egg?

SPEAKER_02

I think right now we have default. I think typically I get default because you know, you gotta suffer is the thing about matzah. I hate matzo, which is not it should not be a hot take. You'd be surprised how many people I meet though who are like, oh, I love matzo. No, you don't. You're lying to yourself, you're lying to the world. The whole point of matza is that it is the bread of affliction. It's a punishment to eat this. You're supposed to be feeling the pain of slavery, of escaping from slavery and wandering through the desert to do so. Not supposed to taste good, guy. You don't have to pretend it tastes good. Anyway, I don't remember how I got on that tangent.

SPEAKER_00

It really is an exercise in a mental exercise in mindfulness, right? And being grateful for all of the, you know, days in the year when you don't have to eat this.

SPEAKER_01

That's right. That's exactly right.

SPEAKER_00

You know, it's like that. It's like that you don't know what you have till it's gone, you know, or absence makes the heart grow fonder. But for bread.

SPEAKER_01

That's exactly right, Cherry.

SPEAKER_00

All right, let me go to my kitchen.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I'll see what I can find.

SPEAKER_02

Don't do frozen pizzas. Don't do anything that has an obvious trafe meat and milk version. Don't look at your frozen lasagnas or whatever. Don't look for things that are too artisanal, probably, because they probably don't want to, you know, go through the hoops. Sure, sure. See what you can find.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, let's see. I'm here in my kitchen recording on my phone. I uh it suddenly occurred to me that I could take the listener along with me as I look through my fridge. Oh, there it is. My orange juice. There is a U. The first object I picked up. Oh wow, okay. And here, maybe the fourth thing that I looked at, which is uh some chocolate syrup. It has a U D for kosher dairy. Let's check my oat milk. Also, U D for dairy. Although it's not really dairy if it's oat milk, right? I don't know. Alright, well, we're back. It occurred to me that I had my phone, which has our backup recording, so I spoke a little bit.

SPEAKER_04

Exciting!

SPEAKER_00

So you won't know what I'll say. But yes, the narration. Isn't that incredible? Oh my god. Pretend like you heard all of the things that I just found in my fridge that were kosher. Wow. How insightful. No, I'll quickly recap for you. And so did my oat milk. And I was like, does oat milk really count as dairy though? Maybe. I don't really know what goes into it, but it's not cow milk.

SPEAKER_02

That always confuses. I'm pretty sure our almond milk is always kosher dairy, and we're like, okay, I thought the whole point was, but there must there must be something dairy-ish in there enough for it to get that label. That's interesting.

SPEAKER_00

Sure, sure. Yeah, that's incredible. I, you know, I would have never paid any attention or or known what those symbols meant. Had no idea that was a kosher thing. Would never have called it out as such if it had been pointed out to me on the packaging.

SPEAKER_02

Now you know, and now you can be super clued in. You could say, wow, Robin thinks about these things an unbelievable amount. She is always looking at packages for these symbols. Sometimes you'll see fun ones. I mean, you can look up a whole list of like different hexers. Sometimes they've got a ton of little Hebrew lettering. Sometimes it's shaped like a Torah scroll. That's cute. But the yeah, the use are most com common. So I'm not surprised. Those are the ones you found. Very exciting. And now, if you ever bring snacks to my house, you can just look for a hexher and then know that we can use our dishes for them. And that will be very helpful for us.

SPEAKER_00

That's what this whole episode was about, was just so that I wouldn't bring things that were approved.

SPEAKER_01

It's just been a way of saying, Jay, those snacks you brought, we had to break out the paper plates, and we really don't want to do that anymore. No, it's not. It's not.

SPEAKER_00

I will I will go to the grocery store, and whenever I see that little you in a circle, I'll say, I bet Robin's looking at that little you in a circle right now, too.

SPEAKER_02

We're looking up at the same little you in a circle. So good. Labels. Those are labels. I mean, I think hexers are an example of labels being positive because for people who care about these things, it provides that sort of assurance, clarity about you know what they're eating being what they want to be eating. But obviously, labels not always good. Sometimes good. How do we feel about the labeling in the episode? Do they feel empowering sometimes? Like, do we do we agree with that idea that just sort of reclaimed labels to combat it? Is that too much of a stretch? Are they only limiting? I mean, I feel like when I was in middle school, labels were only a bad thing, right? Like, don't label me.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But like, is it ever good?

SPEAKER_00

I think labels can be good if they're self-imposed, self-inflicted, or or like self-promoted.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You know what I mean? Like, like I would have and would proudly declare myself a nerd. You know what I mean? Which is the exact same label someone could use pejoratively. True. You know, as an insult. And I mean, I actually thought maybe you were gonna mention this, but the word Jew itself, if you grew up in America and you are Jewish, you probably know that like you maybe had that weird conflict in yourself where you're like, why is family guy using this as an insult? Right. But it's also just the word itself that is not an insult to describe being Jewish, you know. It is both the word and a negative label. And so as a label, it functions as both a good thing and a bad thing, right? So not to a lu valeo a second time. You should always be a luing the ailoing. I don't remember enough of Jess's ending rant to to say whether or not she like were claimed labels, but like you were saying, there weren't definitive noun labels being used, just a lot of like sort of descriptions by Julia against her.

SPEAKER_02

So is that better or worse? I mean, I guess that's better, right? Because then you can point by point be like, well, I haven't said the word blanky, and I do like cupcakes, but that's not weird.

SPEAKER_00

But right. She's weird for not wanting a dessert.

SPEAKER_02

She's weird for not being a dessert person. Also, side note about people feeling weird about the word Jew. Sure. Have you seen Shits Creek?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yes. I think I've seen all of it. That was my COVID watch show when I was sick on a couch.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, sorry about your COVID. Do you remember the scene where Bob he's like talking about bagels and he and he's gonna say the word Jewish, but he like kind of hesitates. And Johnny's like, he's like, I didn't know if I could say it. It sounds like a swear. And Johnny's like, you can say it, Bob. The joke is the fact that he thinks it is sounds like a swear to say Jewish. Anyway. Right. That's a funny scene. Right.

SPEAKER_02

Well, one thing I think about, and this has nothing to do with the episode, but I think another example of a time that a label can be good is firstly, I guess, boyfriend and girlfriend. That was the good example of a label in the episode. I think that's an example of like a label providing providing clarity, like a hexher.

SPEAKER_00

True.

SPEAKER_02

Like now I know what we are. We've defined the relationship. This label is actually very helpful.

SPEAKER_00

They put that you in a circle on each other. Exactly. Except it's boyfriend in a circle, girlfriend in a circle.

SPEAKER_02

Cosh your boyfriend, kosher girlfriend, coach for Passover. Another, what you were saying about self-imposed, this is not self-imposed, but I think about like diagnoses for conditions. Maybe especially like unseen conditions, non-obvious conditions, because you hear a lot of people talk about how validating it is to finally have that label because maybe you've thought it all along or you didn't know what was going on. And then a doctor finally tells you, like, you are this, you have this. Right. And that label can be really liberating because you say, Okay, I'm not going crazy. And you know, oh, that makes so much sense. And now I have a community of people that I can reach out to with similar experiences because I now have this label. So I think that's another example of how a label can be positive. Not that this has anything to do with new girl, but no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00

But just but just generally talking about labels. It's funny. I was like, I I don't know what I mean. The boyfriend-girlfriend thing is the most episode-specific thing, but I can't think of anything else. So just talking about it generally, I think, is the good is a good point.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Good thing to do.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but I guess it's mostly bad in the episode.

SPEAKER_00

Mostly bad. But another good point, if they had had that label on that towel, they would have avoided a lot of confusion. Or at least the hooks. Label the hooks or the railings that they installed.

SPEAKER_02

Label the damn hooks. Listen, join us next time when we label all the damn hooks. All the towel hooks get labeled next time. No, but truly thank you for listening, everyone. Um, if you do want to get in touch with us before we go, JewGirl Podcast at gmail.com is how you can reach us. And yeah, come back next time. We've taken those damp towels and we're and we're wringing them out on top of all the blankies.

SPEAKER_00

Join us next time when we take the ritual cup and Hans Zimmer pours the water over his magnifying glass.

SPEAKER_01

Join us next time when out of our peripheral vision, arguably too good.

SPEAKER_00

Which is surprisingly good.

SPEAKER_02

We we try to spot all the tampons hidden around my apartment.

SPEAKER_00

Join us next week when we take all the characters and make them seven-dimensional and stamp OU kosher on all seven dimensions.

SPEAKER_02

Join us next time when Smash Mouth will be here singing about how they break for birds. Somebody