Jew Girl: a New Girl Podcast for the Jewcurious
A Jewish "New Girl" fan makes her brother watch the show for the first time—and learn some stuff about Judaism!
Jew Girl: a New Girl Podcast for the Jewcurious
S1E13: Parashat Valentine's Day
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ONE NIGHT ONLY. One. Except sometimes two. Count 'em! This week we discuss carving out time.
Check your calendars and watch out for street youths. It's Parashat Valentine's Day this week on Jew Girl. Hello and welcome to Jew Girl, a New Girl podcast for the Jew Curious, in which I make my brother watch my favorite TV show New Girl for the first time and learn some stuff about Judaism. My name is Robin.
SPEAKER_03My name is Jay. And I was gonna make some joke about the street youths, but you already mentioned it in the intro. So we'd love the street youths. What can we say? Just watch out. It's a horrible neighborhood, I guess.
unknownI know.
SPEAKER_01Well, let's get into it, shall we?
SPEAKER_03Let's dive into a recap.
SPEAKER_02This episode is kind of hard to recap. There's a lot going on. It's a lot a little chaotic at times. So let me do my best here. So it's Valentine's Day, and Jess wants a one-night stand. So Schmidt and Cece take her to a bar to help her find one. Cece and Schmidt also almost have a playful flirty moment at the bar. But then Kyle, Cece's boyfriend, he interrupts it. He's also on shrooms. Jess finds a suitable guy named Oliver that she has nothing in common with, so she won't get emotionally attached. But because they have no car, Schmidt drives them to Oliver's house. And for some reason, the three of them, they all end up watching Planet of the Apes together at Oliver's place. Schmidt tries to leave, but his tires were stolen by the street youth.
SPEAKER_03By the street youth.
SPEAKER_02So eventually Cece comes to pick him up, but not before Oliver's ex, who still lives there, comes home and gets upset about Jess being there. And eventually this whole chaotic scene unfurls where the ex is confused by Cece's appearance and the ex kisses Kyle to make Oliver jealous. And then Cece drags Kyle out and rescues Schmidt too. And eventually Jess also leaves because Oliver got back with his ex. He's actually really broken up about them their breaking up. So he gets back with the ex. Anyway, back at the apartment after all of that, Schmidt gives Jess a pep talk about not overthinking a one-night stand. And so she almost goes to his room for one. But it's good that she didn't. She got caught by Nick and dragged away from that bad life choice because little did she know that Cece was on the other side of the door hooking up with Schmidt. Wild. So that's that. Meanwhile, meanwhile, Winston goes over Shelby's for Valentine's Day and is surprised to learn that it's a girls' night and everyone's in sweats and doing their nails and stuff. But he stays and he makes them singria and he girl talks with the friends, etc. And as he's leaving at the end of the night, Shelby tells him that he's making up for what a jerk he used to be. And she reminds him of Valentine's Day that he ghosted her in the past. And then he's like, you know what? I don't deserve a second chance. But she gives him one anyway, and he stays the night. And last but not least, we have Nick. Nick, meanwhile, was going to have a romantic Valentine's Day dinner with Julia. But he ends up having to hang out at her office with her little intern Cliff instead, while she spends hours working late. Big lawyer life. And while he's hanging out with little intern Cliff, he accidentally inspires Cliff to quit, which then overburdens Julia even more. She's stressed, she's upset, she tells Nick, you know, just leave. But he makes it up to her by very sweetly doing Cliff's abandoned intern work, albeit incorrectly. And Julia is charmed by the whole thing.
SPEAKER_03Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_02So that's Valentine's Day. How did you feel? Let's pass around that feeling shtick, brother. Tell me what you thought. How'd you feel about it?
SPEAKER_03The Winston storyline, so heartwarming to see Winston making amends, making changes. That was very good. Good stuff. I did feel really bad for Schmidt when Kyle showed up because I really liked Cece and his moment, right? Where I was like, oh my goodness, they're so cute together. And then Kyle showed up and ruined it. But I was flabbergasted by the end when they were hooking up. And I'm like, okay, well, saw that from a mile away and was rooting for it. And it's funny, in my notes, I'm like, I'm like, yay, Cece and Schmidt. But I'm also like, no, Jess, no. I never want Jess to sleep with Schmidt ever. Absolutely never, ever. I will be very upset if Jess ever, ever does anything with Schmidt. I really don't want her to.
SPEAKER_01It's a great point. How can we ship Schmidt with one of the characters so hard and yet with another character, we're like, God, no, please never.
SPEAKER_03Right? And I was asking myself that, looking at the notes, and I was like, I feel like it just boils down to who I think is good together, like what personalities match. And just like how Jess had absolutely nothing with Colin, right, from the bar. Oliver. I feel like CeCe and Schmidt are like on the same level, right? They're both like really attractive, they're players, sort of in their own right. And like, you know, he's a player, she's a model, like they have really high standards of beauty and personal care and stuff. And so like they bond over things other than just sex, I think. Yeah. And I don't want Jess ever, ever, never, ever to do anything with Schmidt because they're so different. I do not think that they would be good together. Because also Jess has to end up with Nick, in my opinion. Also, Julia looks, and tell me if you agree, she looked so much like Jess in this episode.
SPEAKER_02Oh, interesting.
SPEAKER_03It was actually confusing to me when we first saw her. I thought it was Jess at the table playing with Nick's hair or whatever in that opening scene.
SPEAKER_00Whoa.
SPEAKER_03The bangs are the same. I don't think I realized they both have big, beautiful eyes.
SPEAKER_01I know. Julia kind of made fun of Jess for her big beautiful eyes with huge peripheral vision. But yeah, you're right. She does have big eyes herself.
SPEAKER_03Right? I was like, I the fact that I multiple times throughout the episode thought that I was about to be looking at Jess, and then I was like, oh wait, no, that's Julia. Absolutely threw me for a loop. Also, like there was this vocal thing Julia did when she put that headband on that had the Valentine hearts. She like made some voice that sounded so much like Jess. And I was like, are they doing this intentionally? Like, is she trying to be more like Jess? I don't know, probably not.
SPEAKER_02Oh, that's interesting.
SPEAKER_03But also, like, was her hair this way? I'm not gonna go back and check.
SPEAKER_02I'm not gonna check either.
SPEAKER_03But did she have this haircut in the previous episodes? I I feel like she didn't.
SPEAKER_02That's a legitimate question. I have no idea. I'm not gonna check. But that's a really yeah, that's a really interesting point.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I don't know. Maybe they're planting that kernel of like, oh look, Jess is Nyx type because look at how much Julia looks like her.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_03Favorite jokes. I loved CeCe saying that. I think it was Cece, I forget who said this, said that Jess could connect with a shoe on the side of the road, like have an emotional connection with a shoe, and she was like, a single shoe? Oh, that's so sad. I also, of course, the youths joke. That's that's very good. And that random cutaway of Nick in uh cockfight ring. Yeah, it's just like such a relatively high production value random cutaway just for set design and and stuff. Like, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01That's a good point.
SPEAKER_03Oh, it's so funny. Yeah, it's very good. How about you? Are there any other uh favorite moments you have that I didn't mention?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I love when Nick catches Jess standing outside of Schmidt's door with the box of a hundred condoms and then she she turns and she drops them all and freezes.
unknownHe's like, Were you?
SPEAKER_01And she's sort of scrolling, why do you have so many condoms?
SPEAKER_03I liked earlier in the episode when they referenced, they were like, What are you gonna have sex with an army? Like, why do you have a hundred of people?
SPEAKER_02And I also love when she and Oliver in the bar are talking about everything they have in common, which is that we both love lunch. It's like when people talk about breakfast as the best meal of the day, what about lunch? But did you have anything to add to the douchebag Tadaka box this week?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I we can rattle these off. I it it's you know, we've talked about it before, but some of these jokes are so like on the line of like, I see why it was a funny joke in the day, but also I'm like, did it age well? Am I just like going out of my way to find things to put in the douchebag jar? Are they really douchebag? Sure. So I don't know. There are a lot of little fill little things. Like when Cece says to Kyle, he's like, I love brown people, and she goes, that's racist.
SPEAKER_01That's right. Like when it calls itself out on it, does it deserve to be in the douchebag Tedaka box? Because they've already put the money in the douchebag Tadaka box for it, you know. Like they knew, they knew.
SPEAKER_03Right, right.
SPEAKER_01But I wonder the same thing. I mean, I have that on my list too, like just saying, I guess.
SPEAKER_03I guess, you know, if these are just like little little qualms or whatever, we can rattle off a bunch of them, you know, like Schmidt's Indian accent when he gives an Indian accent to Cece. Yep. Also Julia saying a lot of I'm not gonna repeat it, but a lot of things about Chinese people and stuff. And Cliff, the office assistant, being a douchebag about like, oh man, I would, you know, all the things he says to Nick about what he would do to Julia. Right. Funny setup though, for the reveal of that Nick was her boyfriend. Yeah. And then also I wrote that Nick was a little bit of a jerk when he said in passing that he wasn't gonna mention to Julia that he once got arrested in Mexico until after she was knocked up and stuck with him. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, it's like, I guess it's not the, you know, he's not really like a felon or whatever, but that's funny.
SPEAKER_02The only other one I tacked on there was Schmidt just sort of uh throwing around stereotypes when he was like talking about how unfair it is, you know, he's like a Dominican teenager playing little league. This little stereotype there.
SPEAKER_01So I stuck that on just to cover all our bases.
SPEAKER_03Well, no, that was another one I thought of it in a moment because like it also felt similar to all of the like NBA and WNBA jokes that have previously been made about African Americans and basketball. So, anyways, drop those coins in. Clink, clink, clink.
SPEAKER_02Well, let's move on to a segment that I like to call Observant Jews, Jay, in which we two Jews find out how observant we were this episode, as we kept an eye out for some Jewish stuff and also a bear. So let's see, how observant were we this week, Jay? How do you think?
SPEAKER_03I didn't write anything for either of these.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. No, I didn't find any Jewish jokes, no Jewish content that I caught. If I'm missing any out there, listeners, write in. But yeah, no, I didn't say anything this week. And also did not register the bear on my own walkthrough. I feel like I've been slacking with the bear. I feel like I'm gonna put more effort into the bear on my next watch through because this is unforgivable. Because this one, when I looked it up, I was like, oh duh, it's of course a teddy bear in Julia's office, a Valentine's Day teddy bear, the internet told me, and I didn't actually look up to see if I saw it. But like, of course there's a teddy bear on a Valentine's Day episode. So I gotta get locked in. I gotta be a better observant Jew. I'm not observant enough right now.
SPEAKER_03It's really hard for me to try to pay attention. Like the Jewish jokes, at least it's like usually something someone is saying, right? Yeah, and it'll jump out at you. Right. The bear stuff, it's like uh I'm not scanning the screen well enough because I'm trying to like absorb it for the first time, you know. We're well past anything I would have watched before. That's the thing back in the day.
SPEAKER_02That's the thing is like this bear thing, it should actually be on me because I have the liberty to just sort of like half pay attention to the plot because I've seen it four million times, and then also just divert all my attention. You're actually paying attention to the plot, you're absorbing things for the first time. You I feel like you should always get a pass.
SPEAKER_01Just like if there's a giant bear that pops up on screen, that's when you will be like, I had my bear moment. Otherwise, I feel like this one is on me. I should be stepping up to the plate.
SPEAKER_03Hey, that's all right. Doing the bear watch. That's all right. Thank goodness for the internet, right?
SPEAKER_02Thank goodness for the internet. Yeah, I'll step up. I'll step up to the plate a little better. And speaking of stepping up to the plate, Jay, are you ready for a Schmidt bit? Yes. This is the segment, of course, all my dear, dear listeners. As you know, it is the segment in which I give you a little tidbit about Judaism or something Jewish, uh, inspired by something that Schmidt did or said this episode. And we are stepping up to the plate to talk about Jews and baseball. Because of that questionable joke he made, sure.
SPEAKER_01Uh, you know, throwing around stereotypes about Dominicans being really good at baseball. Well, did you know that there have been at least a couple Jews who are good at baseball?
SPEAKER_02I'm getting ahead of myself. I'm getting ahead of myself. Let me start out by saying, Jay, have you seen Airplane? You've seen the movie Airplane, right? Uh yeah, yeah, I love Airplane. So it has that great joke that, you know, a passenger wants some light reading. And so the stewardess offers a leaflet on famous Jewish sports legends. Yes. So, you know, as a rabbi quoted in the Wikipedia article, Jews in Baseball, puts it, there is or was uh a stereotype of Jews being, quote, weak and bookish. Okay. But we've got a special relationship to baseball, Jews do. I don't know if you uh are tuned into this, but it is true. So let me let me talk about that a little bit. Uh at the turn of the 20th century. Come back in time with me. For the turn of the 20th century. Uh, baseball, it's America's national pastime. So it is an inroad for the children of Jewish immigrants, other immigrants too, of course, but children of Jewish immigrants, recent immigrants, it's a channel to assimilate into American life. And, you know, people describe it as being interwoven, quote, interwoven with the American Jewish experience. So we have had against that backdrop a couple of groundbreaking Jewish baseball players. So many that I'm gonna talk about both of them. No, I think there are others. I think there are others beyond these two, but these are like the two big names that even have crossed my awareness as someone who does not know much about sports. Okay. So first we have Hank Greenberg of the do you want to guess what team?
SPEAKER_03Uh, of the I was gonna make like a Hank Green joke, like SciShow or Complexly or something like that.
SPEAKER_02Of the popular YouTube channels. Oh, of the Detroit Tigers, of course. Is that even a team anymore? Our favorite team. I don't know. I have no idea. This was in the 1930s. So we've got Hank Greenberg, but he's a big deal. Okay. He's the first Jewish player uh put in the baseball hall of fame, but he's a big name.
SPEAKER_03Sorry, the first player in the baseball hall of fame ever?
SPEAKER_02Jewish.
SPEAKER_01The first Jewish player. All right, so okay, that superlative is not great.
SPEAKER_02You know, how many are there? I don't know. I should have written down a better superlative of why he's so famous. I'll uh ugh, I can ask the internet. Hold on. Click, click, click, click, click. Why is Hank Greenberg so famous?
SPEAKER_03My bet is he was just good. At baseball. Yeah, I mean, that's probably just the answer. Let me know if the internet says says anything to the contrary about him being really bad.
SPEAKER_02Google AI overview highlights for me the sentence renowned for his immense power. That's how the sentence starts. I'm just I'm just gonna leave it at that. Renowned for his immense power. That's over 9,000. Two MVP awards, Hall of Famer, legendary. I don't know. He's good. To me, that just means exactly what you said. He's good.
SPEAKER_01Immense power. Immense power makes it sound like he is wielding the supernatural. He's standing behind a cauldron with lightning bolts coming out of his fingertips.
SPEAKER_02Anyway, son of Orthodox Romanian Jewish immigrants. He faced anti-Semitism, but he never hate his Judaism. He was very publicly Jewish. In fact, one season he announced he would not play on Russia Shana or Yom Kippur. But uh everybody got really upset about that.
SPEAKER_03And they lost all those games.
SPEAKER_01Well, so everybody got upset. Nobody liked that.
SPEAKER_02They were like, come on, hanky, hanky boy. They got real upset. So he talked to his rabbi. This is hilarious. He talked to his rabbi. He decided to play on Russ Hashanah after all.
unknownAnd they won.
SPEAKER_02But this is cool. They won, and this whole storyline was very public, right? So after they won, a Detroit newspaper ran Happy New Year in Hebrew on the front page. Oh, wow. Isn't that nice? Wow, wow, wow. But he still refused to play on Yom Kippur and they lost.
SPEAKER_03So there is that. Well, it was really in thematic fitting with Yom Kippur that the team should lose, you know?
SPEAKER_01That's right. We all lose on Yom Kippur a little bit. Second one. Sandy Koufax.
SPEAKER_02You ever heard of him?
SPEAKER_03Nope.
SPEAKER_02That's fine. He's of the Dodgers. Uh the, of course, the Dod the Dodgers of the city.
SPEAKER_03My guess is New York back in the day before they moved. This is a weird fact. I'm pretty sure they were in New York before they moved to LA. Am I right about this?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I I forgot that things move around. So yeah, they are LA now. And yeah. Yeah. Brooklyn. Oh, he might have actually spanned their move. Oh. There's a Wikipedia overview that I'm not gonna fact check. But yeah, Los Angeles Brooklyn slash Los Angeles Dodgers. 1955 to 1966. So that's where we are for Sandy Koufax. He, I did write down a good superlative for him that has nothing to do with being Jewish. He's considered to be one of the greatest pitchers of all time. Oh wow. Simple as that. Yeah. Also in the Hall of Fame. And he also refused to play on the High Holy Days, including game one of the 1965 World Series because it was Yom Kippur stuff for the Dodgers, I assume. I didn't write down if they lost, but I bet they lost. Um and he also he also faced anti-Semitism, but he really helped break that stereotype of Jews only being weak and bookish. A lot of people cite him as a real role model. Oh, nice. You will find a lot of nostalgia for baseball in a lot of American Jewish circles. They often cite it as a connection with previous generations, their parents, their grandparents, and I think it harkens back to it being, you know, a big integrating factor for immigrant children in the early 1900s. And then the visibility of a couple really big Jewish players, not just being like incidentally Jewish and never acknowledging it, but being in the news about it, like with the decision not to play on Yom Kippur. So Jews of the time, they love that because it like it also kind of sent the message that they can still be a part of the f fabric of mainstream American culture while at the same time maintaining that distinctiveness of their faith and their culture.
SPEAKER_03Oh, that's so nice. Yeah. That's that's a great bit of knowledge I didn't know. You know, looking back on it though, I mean, baseball is certainly the only sporting event that our father ever brought me to, I'm pretty sure. And maybe you as well.
SPEAKER_02You know, I don't think I went to one, but I certainly had a baseball mitt and have thrown and caught a baseball with dad. There you go. Which does not sound like much, but dear listeners, believe me when I say that is a lot of sports for me.
SPEAKER_03Well, now I now I feel bad. Now I feel I feel guilty. I feel like our father isn't one to treat the daughter different from the son. Maybe you weren't interested in going to the baseball game, but now I feel bad. Maybe you should go to a baseball game.
SPEAKER_02I was probably no, no, no, don't feel bad. I mean, after all, we we we tossed the ball around. I got a baseball mit. So he I don't think it was a gender thing. I think maybe we just never that the opportunity never arose where there were good cheap tickets or something.
SPEAKER_03I will say most of the times we went, it's because we like knew someone who knew someone who had seasoned seats that we could just borrow or take for the day or whatever, you know.
SPEAKER_02Exactly, exactly. These things come up and it just it just never come up. But I also wasn't like, oh my god, dad, please, please take me to a sport, a sportball game. I love the sport ball so much. I'm so good at the gym class.
SPEAKER_03I mean, I'm I'm pretty weak and bookish on the on the outside. So I also probably wasn't. Yeah, I did after, you know, uh being bullied in in middle school and high school will do a lot to get you to do sports that uh actually no, I I enjoyed sports in high school. I enjoyed sports in in high school.
SPEAKER_02You're strong and bookish. That's the kind of Jew you are. Strong and bookish. Oh, thank you.
unknownThank you.
SPEAKER_03You know, this also, all this talk of baseball also makes me think about our growth. Great grandfather. Like the only thing I know about him, other than him being a doctor, is that he didn't want to be a doctor, he wanted to be a baseball player. Oh. But supposedly he was too short, is what the the family line goes. Oh, there it is. They say, Oh, but he was too short to be a baseball player.
unknownThere it is.
SPEAKER_02See, this puts that all in context, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean, maybe he was uh I'm thinking about it, and like he probably would have had some like integration issues being so relatively new to the country, I think.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Well, shall we move on to a larger theme? Give a little josh.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I need to have a better response to that in the future. Yeah. You're joshing me. Like, you're joshing me.
SPEAKER_01You gotta be joshing me.
SPEAKER_02That's good. You gotta be josh and me. That's funny. Alright, well, this week our theme is one night only. One night only. Okay? Okay. One night only. Okay. One night only. Jess's plot is in pursuit of a one night stand. Count them. One. Okay. One. And Schmidt and Cece are emphasizing the one night only nature of that hookup.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_02Addressing to Jess, she has to find someone with whom she has no emotional connection if she really wants it to be a one night thing, okay? Emphasis on one night only. Nick is putting an emphasis on the singularity of Valentine's Day as a day different from all other days, too, okay? For once, he is planning to treat it as the distinct special night that it is. Because I mean, logically, you know, Valentine's Day is not actually magically different than the night surrounding it. He and Julia could get a fancy dinner any night, but it's more laden with meaning culturally. So they're putting more pressure on this one night, this one special night specifically, trying to make it distinct and actually celebrate it for once. So both plots are emphasizing a one-nightness, right? Okay. One nightness. Sure. Even Winston being put through the paces with Shelby, making him spend Valentine's Day at a surprise girls night, is because he had been a jerk to her and ghosted her specifically on that important night in the past. True, true.
SPEAKER_03And this is also their now night only. This is also now like their official first date, right? Not just a hookup at their first date. First, number one. First one the one night.
SPEAKER_02One night only. Jay, let me ask you a question. Have you ever found yourself Googling the dates of Passover?
SPEAKER_03I thought you were gonna say one question. What is 0.5 plus 0.5?
SPEAKER_02What's three minus two?
SPEAKER_03Have I ever Googled the nights of Passover? Is that what you asked?
SPEAKER_02Have you ever Googled the dates of Passover, or even maybe I should ask this? How many days of Passover are there?
SPEAKER_03Ah, okay.
SPEAKER_02And still feeling confused by the end of your Googling, perhaps.
SPEAKER_03A little bit. I I did look it up this year and I had read something about how depending on which sort of community you fall in line with, you might celebrate it for seven nights or you might celebrate it for eight nights.
SPEAKER_02There it is. This is the sound of my little paws ribbing together, saying, yes, brother, yes, that's what we're gonna talk about today. Very good.
SPEAKER_01Because I know I used to Google that sort of thing and be like, what's happening in the world? What am I doing? What am I taking away from these conflicting things here?
SPEAKER_02So let's go back in time again.
SPEAKER_01As I so often like to do. I don't know if you've got a noise for back in time, so I just imagine it's something like that.
SPEAKER_03I just won't tell you. We're going back to r Okay.
SPEAKER_02Back in time. We're going back to antiquity this time, like real antiquity, okay? Not not that paltry, like beginning of the common era antiquity. We're going back to the first temple. That's right. We always are talking about the second one. We're going back to the first one. Count them one. Way back. Count! I hadn't even put that together. One temple only. The first one. Step right up. One night only. This one they also call Solomon's Temple. If you ever hear that, that is referring to the first temple. Okay. The year is 597 BCE before Common Era. Okay. We're back in the day here. And the Neo-Babylonian Empire, that's right. We're in Neo-Babylonian Empire times. It carries out the siege of Jerusalem. And then not so long later, the temple is destroyed. Thank you, Neo-Babylonian Empire, for your sieging and your destructions. Just kidding. Don't not actually thank you. Because both of these upheavals create what is referred to as the Babylonian captivity, in which a large number of these Judeans, I guess at the time you'd say, because the area they're they called it Judea. Large number of these Judeans were expelled from Judea and dispersed into Mesopotamia and Babylonia in particular. Big community in Babylon. So they get dispersed there. Eventually, the next person in charge, or one of the next people in charge, he actually says, Hey Jews, you can come back if you want to Jerusalem. You can like rebuild and stuff if you want. And so some people are like, Yay, let's go do that. But actually, a substantial number of Jews stay behind. They keep living in Babylon. Right. And they have really a flourishing Jewish community there because they've been there for like 50 or 70 years or something. You know, people have grown up, lived their lives, established their lives here. So they some people don't want to just pick up and go back. So thus begins the first major exile. Quote, exile. This is a word used a lot when talking about this sort of thing. And it marks the beginning of the Jewish diaspora.
SPEAKER_03So the Jewish diaspora refers to You're moving your hands the same way Spongebob does when he goes imagination and draws a rainbow.
SPEAKER_02Exactly right. That is exactly what I'm channeling. Diaspora. The Jews living outside the Kingdom of Judah at that time. Um, but still referred, still used today to refer to Jews who are living outside of that area. So we are part of the Jewish diaspora. Sure. So, moral of the story, at this time in history, we've got a substantial population of Israelites living in foreign lands. We've got a newly formed diaspora. But holidays. We've still got holidays. We have all these festivals that they are commanded to observe, and they fall on certain days of the month. Like Tuba Av being the 15th of Av. Like you need to know when Av starts to be able to celebrate on the two of I was gonna say count to two. Problem is when does the month begin? So the thing you gotta know about Jewish months is that they are lunar, and each month is either 29 or 30 days. Okay, because it's a little squishy with a lunar month. In temple times, this is how they decided months. It's crazy. In temple times, eyewitnesses would spot the first liver of the moon, and then they would go before the officials in Jerusalem to like testify about it. Like, hey, I saw a sliver of the moon. And then they'd be like, hey, I saw a sliver of the moon. And so once it was confirmed, once everybody agreed, like, okay, yeah, we're seeing the first liver of the moon, that means the month just began. They would send messengers out to the Jews in the diaspora to let them know that the month had begun. Like, hey, we're in Av now.
SPEAKER_03Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02Um, originally it was like a series of lighting bonfires on hilltops, which is super cool to imagine.
SPEAKER_03Like Lord of the Rings? Yeah, like Lord of the Rings. The beacons of Gondor.
unknownI guess so.
SPEAKER_01I trust you on Lord of the Rings references. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Have you never seen Lord of the Rings?
SPEAKER_01I've seen Lord of the Rings, Jay.
SPEAKER_02All the way through. I've read the books too. I just they're long and all blurs to I like them. Don't hey, don't at me, everyone. I'm a fan of Lord of the Rings. I just can't reference the hills of Gondor or whatever Jay just said.
SPEAKER_03I don't I don't even know. I don't know if I'm actually like uh using the right term for them, but but they are beacons on mountaintops that communicate via light across vast miles from beacon to beacon to beacon.
SPEAKER_02Well, there you go. There you go. That was the Jews back in the day. And then I guess some people were like messing with it, sabotaging that whole process. So they had to move to messengers, whatever. Doesn't matter. We've got messages being sent to the diaspora. But so we're in messenger world, right? What if the time for a holiday is coming? It's coming around, but the messenger hasn't reached them yet. Oh no. So to cover all their bases, these Jews in the diaspora would observe the holiday for two nights to be safe, even though it was usually only one night. You will notice I say one night. One night only. You will notice I say one night, even though even though several Jewish holidays last for like a week. Okay. But that's because even in those holidays, we've got something called. Here's vocab for the day, Jay, Yom Tov.
SPEAKER_03Does that mean, gosh, I feel like I should know what some of means. Tov is good, right? Tov is good. And yum, yom, is that like time or month?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, basically. It's it's day. It's day. So literally it means good day.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_02But what it really, what it uh means means, apart from the literal translation, is that it is the major holy day uh or days on which you're not supposed to do work. So it's like Shabbat. Okay. There are like six of these in the Jewish calendar. It's like they're the big holidays. Think of it as big deal holiday. Sure. Where all the all the you know prohibition zone where you're supposed to just rest and relax, slash observe the holiday. Don't do your normal stuff. This is a big day. This is a big deal. This is a yom tov. Okay. Sidebar into pronunciation, though. In Hebrew, it's yomtov, but it was Yiddishized in a lot of communities, uh, especially Ashkenazi communities, obviously. And thus the pronunciation through like a bunch of different Yiddish pronunciation tweaks, it becomes this feels out of left field, but just trust me here. Yantif.
SPEAKER_03Yontif. Okay, okay. They put it into Google Translate and just did it back and forth a bunch of times until it like four times.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's exactly right. Oh, I love doing that. That's so good. So I actually, in my circles, I hear the word Yantif being thrown around a lot more than people actually saying yom tov. Honestly, if you ever see a Jew walking down the street and you know it's a holiday, like a big holiday, if you say to them good yontif, you will seem so legit. They will be like, oh, he knows. He must be an observant Jew. He's seen the bear in the episode. He's an observant Jew. That that's like your card. That's your end. You just say good Yantif to people, and they're like, oh yeah, it's like a secret handshake, you know?
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_02I mean, if they're Ashkenazi at least. It's this is totally Ashkenormative here.
SPEAKER_03So, like, is is Yom Kapoor a Yantif? It sure is. Is Tu Bishvat a Yantif?
SPEAKER_02Tubishvat is not because it's a minor holiday. Great question. Is Tuba Av? Tuba Av also too minor to be Yantif. Hanukkah? Hanukkah also too minor. That actually proves the point to all of America. Like, hey, look, this is such a minor holiday. It's not the Jewish Christmas. It's so minor that it's not even Yantif.
SPEAKER_03So wait, are all of the Yantifs or Yam Tavs, are all of those one-day holidays? Because it's day good. Great question. Right? I mean, like Hanukkah, Passover, those are longer.
SPEAKER_02Great question, Jay. So I'm here to tell you that even multi-day holidays have distinct singular days plucked out of them that are yontif. And then they've got their non-Yantif days, their non-Yomtov days. Okay. So for example, Passover. It's like a weekish long holiday as we've established. As prescribed in the Torah, the first, I think this is the Torah. Some of it's always the Torah. The first and the last day are Yom Tov. First and last day are Yontif. Okay. And in the Torah, Passover is only laid out as seven days, with the first and the last being Yontif. Which, by the way, traditionally, you're supposed to actually have your Seder on the first night of Passover. Gotcha. In the diaspora, though, we have extended the seven-day holiday to the eight-day holiday because of that, uh, you know, the fact that back in the day in the diaspora, they would celebrate a one night for two nights to be safe, cover both their bases, make sure they're one of them is on the right day that it's supposed to be. So that also carries over to the first day of Passover, the first day, which is Yantif. In the diaspora, that is, the first two days are observed as Yantif.
SPEAKER_03I did read that both the first and second night of Passover typically have saters, and now it makes a lot of sense as to why they're covering their faces just in case.
SPEAKER_02That's exactly right. Two satyrs, first two nights. That is traditional outside of uh, you know, in the diaspora. And then also the end as well. We treat the seventh and the extra eighth day both as yantif. Same same logic there, you know. Could be either one, sure. And you know, this is an example. One important night became two nights, one night only, not anymore, bitches. Now we got some two nights only. Um, and that second night, by the way, is referred to as Yom Tov Shiny because Sheni means second. Gotcha. So you may be saying to yourself, we don't live in antiquity anymore, Robin.
SPEAKER_03That is, don't we have calendars? Yeah, that is where my brain's going. I'm like, huh, well, with Jews all over the world and the orbit of the moon and the sliver appearing at different times relative to like where you are on the planet at when you're starting a new lunar month, right? Like, well, it's like, oh yeah, let's say, like, you know, North America did see the sliver begin, but like Asia did not see the sliver begin that night, or something.
SPEAKER_02I don't know, you know, like it was cloudy over there, so they couldn't really catch it.
SPEAKER_03Not even just the clouds, but just like the time because of the rotation of the earth. If you're on the part of the earth that is now turned away for this to be the start of a new lunar month, it would be nighttime, you'd be away, right? Because the moon would be more towards the sun relative to the the the orbit around Earth. So someone in the daylight maybe could start to see the sliver appear when people who had experienced that same day but were now in nighttime wouldn't. Maybe. I think I have something, but I'm not gonna go into it enough to really figure out if I'm right or not. But I think there's a point.
SPEAKER_02Sure, sure, sure. It's kind of like days begin sooner for people who are in other times.
SPEAKER_01It's like I'm sorry, I'm teasing you, I'm teasing you.
SPEAKER_03No, no, no. Okay. If you're deciding to cut off a month based on whether or not you saw the sliver of the moon, I'm saying that maybe you would decide to cut it off at different times depending on where on the planet you were and whether or not the sliver of the moon happened to appear on that day or whether you counted as the next day because you missed it, because the earth turned and you were out of sight.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense. Right? A little bit I got you now. I got you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. I got you. Yeah, so I mean, the feeling of ambiguity, however you want to slice it, that's legit. And I think that's why they decided, like, all right, Jerusalem, center of the world here. We're gonna decide in Jerusalem and then send the message out, and everyone's just gonna listen to it.
SPEAKER_03Ah, there you go.
SPEAKER_02But eventually, like fourth century CE, eventually, like we are in the common era now. I mean, I know that's still a long time ago, but you know what happens? The Hebrew calendar becomes fixed, like other calendars that we have today. Like we all agree what date it is.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, sure.
SPEAKER_02Because we're not looking at the moon anymore.
SPEAKER_03Leap years, sleep seconds, you know, these things happen.
SPEAKER_02Actually, sidebar, did you know that? So, so the Hebrew calendar is both it's like lunisolar, it's lunar and solar. So the Islamic calendar is also lunar, but in Judaism, in the Hebrew calendar, we just stick in a leap month every now and then. Every now and then the year just gets an extra month. And you know what the month is called? It's called Adar 2.
SPEAKER_01Because the fact that there's a month called Adar, and then they just stick in another one that's like this one is a dar too. No other name for it. It's just a dar second Adar. That's really sad.
SPEAKER_03I think we should make a campaign to to rename a dark. Also, and this is just the silly Hebrew versus English thing, but you could also interpret that as a dar 15 because of two meaning the 15th of the month, right?
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh, what a sophisticated Hebrew joke you're making today. Wow.
SPEAKER_03Alright, we're on uh we're on dar 15 now. Go into dar 16 next.
SPEAKER_01This is a real instance of just feeding things through Google Translate four times.
SPEAKER_03We're gonna have a whole year where every month is dar.
SPEAKER_01A dar seven, a dar eight. Yeah, I like that. I like that.
SPEAKER_02But anyway, I'm sorry, I guess I didn't conclude that thought where that's why the in the Islamic calendar, holidays can jump around and like be in any season. Okay. But in the Hebrew calendar, Passover is always in the springtime. Sure. Hanukkah is always in the wintertime because they they throw in a dar too, they throw in that leap month to make it work so that it can also stay relatively aligned with the solar calendar as well, so that the seasons are consistent with the holidays that are being celebrated in the season. So that's a fun fact there with a dartu and lunar lunar months calendars.
SPEAKER_03That's so interesting that the years in the Hebrew calendar then are different lengths, right? Kinda. Or are they not different lengths? Because I like do they have month span over the new year? They probably not, right? So they probably have years with more days than other years.
SPEAKER_02Yes, because some of their years have an entire other month.
SPEAKER_03Right, right. And they're not like ending the year mid-month, for instance, to make it like yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02All the other months stay the same.
SPEAKER_03So that's so interesting and makes it so much harder to count back how many days happen, presumably, if you're trying to be that exact going back by years, right? If you're that's true. I mean, maybe there's a way to quickly figure out, you know, like every seventh year has the or whatever, you know, but that's that's yeah.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I guess we have that problem too with the Gregorian, except that it's just one day, so it's a lot easier to factor it in.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
SPEAKER_02Especially because I guess lunar months, they're either 29 or 30 back in the day. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not gonna look too deeply into which month is how long. Because now, moral of the story, now the Hebrew calendar is fixed. Thanks to the fourth century CE, when they decided to fix the cal like they're all like, today is this day one. Now everybody just count from there. This one has this many days, that one is this many days. We can all just count now. Just mark your calendar. You have a calendar now. We're gonna mail out a calendar. You can tack it to your wall, okay? So there's no ambiguity anymore. You don't have to like watch for the sliver of the moon. I mean, it's like today, right? Like nobody's like, oh my god, has April started yet? I haven't seen the sliver of the moon, so I don't know. Like, we all just decide. Like, regardless of what we're seeing the moon do, it's April. We know it's April. We're we're just following a calendar at this point. It's fixed. So there's no ambiguity.
SPEAKER_03Does it still line up with the moon, though, from the reference point of Jerusalem?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, it does. And every um actually the beginning of every Hebrew month is its own little holiday called Rosh Chodesh. And yeah, it's celebrated. Like in if you go to synagogue, they do a little special blessing for the new month, the new moon. Every yeah, every month starts with the new moon. But they kept the second night. That's the moral of the story. You might say this is archaic. And why do they keep the second night, Jay? Because tradition, tradition. You're giving me a hard time about not memorizing Lord of the Rings. You still haven't seen Fiddler on the Roof, Jay. The number of times I've broken to the tradition song on this podcast, we're gonna fix this one of these days. But anyway, it's tradition.
SPEAKER_03I've probably seen it on stage at some point. You know, it's just it's been a long time.
SPEAKER_02You know, the it the movie is great. The movie is one of those movies where it's a good rendition. But anyway, anyway, they give some excuses about why we are keeping the traditional. Tradition. They're like, oh, it's also just in case everybody outlaws Judaism again. And then also people forgot how to calculate the Hebrew months perfectly, you know. But it's mostly just tradition. So I did I did write down a few other examples of the one night only of observance becoming two. We got Rosh Hashanah. Okay. Biblically only one day, but we celebrate it for two days. Uh Shavuot, which you've never heard of. I'm sure. Maybe somebody I'll talk about this one day, but we celebrated as two. Those are both Yantif. Another Tukot. That's another uh seven or eight day festival, depending on where you are, just like Passover. Also begins and ends with Yantif Yantif. Okay. Uh first day, first two days in the diaspora.
SPEAKER_03Yantif and then Yantif two.
SPEAKER_02Yantif Yantif two. Yantif Yantif 15. Um and then there is one notable exception to the two days of Yantif rule, the Yom Tov Shini rule. And that is, do you want to guess? I don't know why you'd know this, but you can still guess.
SPEAKER_03Shabbat if it falls on Shabbat.
SPEAKER_02Not Shabbat. Shabbat's uh oh, oh, I see. There's lots of rules that change when things fall on Shabbat. So I like the way you're thinking. This one is actually Yom Kippur. Yom Kippur, we still only do for one day, and that is because a two-day fast would be too much, my dude.
SPEAKER_01Nobody wants to fast for two days. Ain't nobody fasting for two days in a row. You can't even drink water on Yom Kippur. Like, no, we're not doing that. That one, we keep as one, okay? So that's the exception.
SPEAKER_03Meanwhile, Muslims observing Ramadan are like, wow, one one day was too hard for you to do.
SPEAKER_01I know, I know. But they can they they do it the the day and the night, right? Isn't it with the the sun? I think so. I mean it's still a big deal. Shout out to all our Muslim friends out there. You're doing, you know, God's work or whatever there. That's a big deal. But Yom Kippur, it's yeah, you got nothing.
SPEAKER_02No time, none of the day, nothing. Um so to conclude, you still sometimes see seven days, and not just because non-diaspora Jews have shortened it back, but it's because some strains of Judaism, like Reformed Judaism, which is a big chunk of Jews in America, they did away with Yom Toshini. They actually did. So they've gone back. They'll only celebrate Passover and Sukkot for seven days each. They're only getting one day of Yantif at the beginnings and the ends of those. Sure, sure. Um, one day of Rosh Hashanah, one day of Shavuot. So one fewer day of eating matzah.
SPEAKER_03Gotta get back to work. I know, right? How can how can we blame capitalism for this for going back to seven instead of eight?
SPEAKER_02That's honestly right. I mean, I legitimately I like the idea of keeping the extra Yantif purely because I'm not working, you know, but not even just regular work. Like I do like a phone Shabbat, you know. I I don't touch my phones, phones as if I have so many phones. I don't touch my phone on Shabbat and on Yantif. And so I like another day of that. Like I like an excuse to not have to be in that headspace. It's great.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Plus tradition.
SPEAKER_03Tradition.
SPEAKER_02But it's totally legit. I mean, all my reform Jew friends out there, hey, hey, congratulations on your one fewer day of eating matzah this year. You know what I mean? Like, I get that. I feel like I've had conversations with people who are like, are we, are we doing reform, reform Passover this year? Can I just start eating real food yet? Or eight days? Are we on the eighth day here? What are we, where are we holding? So, but it's a second chance to enjoy a day of rest. Kind of like bum bump bump ba bump bump, Nick and Julia giving themselves a second chance to just have a romantic dinner another night. Oh nice.
SPEAKER_03Wasn't wasn't your Drosh theme one night though? And we're and we're talking One night only.
SPEAKER_01That's right. One night only.
SPEAKER_03I guess the Yom Tov Sh that you said, that rule. Yom Tov Shiny.
SPEAKER_02It's yes, you're right. It's a subversion of the one night only. It's taken to the idea of things that technically would only be one night only, a one night only Yantif, one night only holiday for the ones that aren't a whole week. You know, just one night only. It only is supposed to be one day, but everyone's like, oops, oops, we gotta do two.
SPEAKER_01Because we don't know. Light those bonfires, we don't know.
SPEAKER_03I'm imagining an alternate history Hanukkah miracle where it's like we had oil for eight days and somehow we just used it all in one. I don't know. It's just a miracle just burned through it that fast.
SPEAKER_01The anti-miracle.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's like second chances for the one night only. Putting too much pressure on the one night only. You get a Yom Tov shiny, you get Nick and Julia saying, let's just have dinner the next night. You get Shelby giving Winston a second chance at a romantic night after she took up that person with a girl's night, you know, and a second chance at the relationship. Fortunately, however, I will say Jess is not giving Oliver a second chance at a one-night stand. That one is staying one night only.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_02It was actually zero nights only for the best. Zero nights only there. But yeah. Oh, also I had this other connection. This is nonsense, but I wrote it down anyway.
SPEAKER_01There's a connection I thought of here that a backup day of Yantef to cover all your bases here is a way to hedge your bets and be super, super safe about making sure you're celebrating the holy day on the right day. And speaking of being super, super safe with backups, just as jumbo pack up condoms. That's all I have all I have to say. Over protection for the one night only worry. Am I right? That's what the Yom Tov shiny is.
SPEAKER_02That's what the giant box of condoms is. Over protection, just being over cautious for the one night only thing. True, true.
SPEAKER_03That's great. Hey, great tie-in. Wow.
SPEAKER_02Thank you. Thank you. So Valentine's Day. I mean, on the one hand, Judaism really does put a lot of stock in like the separating of time and setting certain days apart as holy. There's this whole idea of like holiness in time rather than just in space. That's sort of what Shabbat is. It's like a holy carved out time. Um, you know, there's a whole section in the Passover Seder. Why is this night different from all other nights? You know, it's carving out that night. So maybe it's fair that the characters are doing the same thing with their expectations about Valentine's Day, really putting emphasis on that. But do we ultimately think it's good that they built it up like that? I don't know. What do you do do you think it's good that they put all the pressure on this like one night only idea?
SPEAKER_03I mean, for like the one night stand storyline, it's like I I don't know, just I guess do you, you know? If if that's what you need, you do you. Yeah. I feel like it's very uh not in line with who she usually is as a character, though, you know what I mean? I feel like she's she's still struggling in life.
SPEAKER_01You know, Winston, by the way, he's he's kind of been in exile. Shall we've been icing about, and he was in Latvia.
SPEAKER_03The Winston diaspora, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Diaspora, yeah.
SPEAKER_03I mean, shout out to the actual African diaspora, right? That's yeah.
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah. That's the real diaspora, so lots of diasporas, yes, yes, yes. That's a big one. Big, big, big.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean, uh, you know, Winston's storyline, very sweet. And so I think his he was nervous at the beginning of the episode, right? If I remember that correctly. Or or was it that Schmidt was trying to like basically talk him out of thinking it was a good date idea or something.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03At any rate, Winston went into it, maybe with some hesitations and stuff, especially once he realized what it was.
SPEAKER_00But yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Props to him, he he focused on the importance of the date, what it really meant. He doubled down on like actually getting to know the friends and helping give give some tough love, like he said, to to one of her friends. Yes, that's right. And so, like, the emphasis on the one night for him, I think, was a very good thing that maybe he had to come around to because it wasn't the one night he expected to have, you know what I mean? But the one night.
SPEAKER_02He was sort of able to pivot, he was able to pivot and sort of like redefine, like, all right, well, I thought this night was gonna be one thing. Right. Turns out it's gonna be this, but yeah, he like ends up leaning into it and uh and it works out.
SPEAKER_03And then for for Nick and Julia, I love the idea of even though Valentine's Day isn't inherently different from any other night, I like the idea that they are putting the intentionality into having time to spend with each other. I mean, it doesn't totally work out for them because she's working the whole time, right? But like you know, the the intention was there that it was gonna happen and and he was able to still make it meaningful in the end by doing a good thing for her, even if he did it wrong.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I agree. I agree. I think it's nice that there's I think there's value in the effort.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And so does Judism. I mean, Judaism agrees because it's always carving out time as holy and different and special.
SPEAKER_03So I think that's a great idea. Carving out time for things that are important. I like that.
SPEAKER_02Making things special, you know? Otherwise, all the days just run together. Everything can be the same unless you bring intentionality about how you experience time.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Gonna try to one night only remind myself of that more.
SPEAKER_02One night only one night only.
SPEAKER_01How many?
SPEAKER_03Count 'em.
SPEAKER_01Fifteen minus sixteen plus two. Count them.
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