Beyond the Hustle - Prevent Burnout and Redefine Success - Dr. Angela Harden-Mack, MD

Are you ready for more energy, work-life harmony and ready to learn how to prevent burnout and redefine success?  Dr. Angel Harden-Mack shares how to move beyond burnout, the hustle culture and introduce a new model of sustainable success.   The Hustle Culture has normalized overwork, constant availability and burnout as the price of ambition.  Dr. Harden introduces a new model of success - one were ambition and well-being work together.   Dr. Harden-Mack shares specific practical tools to prevent burnout, protect energy and create a work-life harmony with self-sacrifice. 

Dr. Harden-Mack has been a physician for 30 plus years. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to the Divine Manifestation Pathway Podcast, where we explore the power of faith, mindset, and manifestation to help you create the life you were designed to live. Your host, Constance Arnold, is a renowned global podcaster, author, and spiritual teacher. And together, we'll learn how to shift our thinking, align with divine guidance, and intentionally create a life of abundance, purpose, and joy. So take a deep breath, get present, and let's step into the pathway of divine manifestation.

SPEAKER_02 0:41

Well, hello, beautiful people, and welcome to the Divine Manifestation Pathway Podcast with Constance Arnold. Guess what? I'm so grateful, so thankful, so appreciative that you have tuned in today. And I believe that the Spirit of God has attracted you here so that you can receive, so that you can be open, so that you can have that one aha moment that can quickly and suddenly change your life. And so it's no accident. So I'm gonna say welcome. Well, it is a cloudy day here in the ATL, but you know, every day that you are alive, that means that God still has a purpose for you. So it's a great day, right? Well, I am so thankful for all of the emails that I have been receiving from all of you saying to me, Constance, thank you so much. I I love your new platform. And I just want to say thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm really enjoying it. I am still bringing you, you know, just the first class stellar, uh, guests that I believe can really help you during times like these. And speaking of guests, we have a powerhouse on the show today. Dr. Angela Harden Mack, she's an MD, has been an MD for the past 30 plus years. And she's going to be talking about Beyond the Hustle. Oh, can you can you see why we need that? And uh specifically, she's going to be directing it to women. But you guys who listen to me, you can also tune in and receive a lot of nuggets. And uh, I can't wait for you to hear because we live in a hustle, uh 24-hour uh culture. You gotta do this in order to be successful, you know, all of the above. So Dr. Angela can't wait to hear what she has to say. So, guys, I am offering uh three times a year I do this, but for the next seven days, I am offering my buy one hourly coaching session and get one free. So normally I have Katie put it on my website so you can click it on uh just right at the top, but uh she has been healing. So, this is what I want you to do. So, what does that mean? You're gonna buy one hourly session and you're gonna get one free so that you can uh really work on some things in your life, or if you're looking for a new job, you might be ready for a relationship. Of course, you can buy more than one if you want to. Go to my website, fulfillingyourpurpose.com, click on the link that says coaching, you're gonna scroll all the way down, and you will say one hour coaching on demand. You're gonna purchase that. And when Katie sees your purchase, we will send you an email stating you have taken advantage of the buy one hourly coaching session, get one free, and uh we will schedule you within the next seven business days. So for the next seven days, that's what I'm offering. What else? Follow me on social media, guys. You know that on social media I am live on one of those platforms, either TikTok, Facebook, YouTube, or Instagram, at least once or twice a week. And every day Katie uploads for me to you a real something motivational. So my my social media platforms are the divine manifestation pathway, and on TikTok is the manifestation path. All right. Or you can just type in my name, Constance Ernell. So everybody, let's take a deep breath in. Let it out. Deep breath in. Let it out. You know, breath means in spirit. And we're getting ready for Dr. Angela. So everybody, let's open our open up our heart and see what Dr. Angela has to say. Everybody, I'm back, and I'm really excited, and I know what you're saying, Constance. You're always excited. But today I really am. That's a good thing, right? So we have a very special guest, Dr. Angela Harden Mack. Uh, she is a physician for over 30 plus years, and you watching this video, you're gonna you're gonna say, what is she eating? What is she doing? What is she taking? Because she looks so young and vibrant. She's a physician, holistic wellness strategist and founder of Live Great Lives, holistic wellness coaching. Uh, she is a trusted voice in burnout prevention. Anybody need that right now? And how you can sustain success uh for high-powered, achieving women. And she helps a lot of ambitious professionals protect their energy, restore balance, and thrive without sacrificing their well-being. She has a new book out, y'all, that she just released beyond the hustle. I can't wait to hear what she has to say. She's gonna help us learn about high-achieving women preventing burnout and redefine success. I've interviewed her before. She's a woman of integrity. Uh, and I just felt led of the spirit to have her back. So, Dr. Angela, welcome to my new platform, the Divine Manifestation Pathway Podcast with yours truly, Constance Arnold.

SPEAKER_03 7:15

How are you doing today? I am very beautiful, Constance. How are you? And congratulations, peace, and blessings. May they be multiplied in your life for this major elevation. For you already elevated, but this I know it's a new season, new elevation. It's a new season. How have you been? I've been great. I've been working the plan, like planning to work and working a plan, operating and flow and harmony, not hustle. So, didn't you just release a crown for one year you were crowned? Tell our listeners about that. Yes, I am super excited. I had the opportunity to serve as Miss Michigan Corporate America 2025. So I was crowned in April of 2025, and then I turned over the crown to the 2026 Queen recently, and my year was amazing, phenomenal, fun, impactful, um, truly an experience that I will not forget.

SPEAKER_02 8:07

Well, here you are doing and being all of that and being a physician for 30 plus years. And you know, I wanted to say uh just here with everybody listening, that before I hit record, I said to her, I commend you for your loyalty, for your steadfastness, for your consistency, because to do anything, I I can attest to that for 30 plus years is nothing but the grace of God in your life.

SPEAKER_03 8:39

Amen. Amen. Yes, and I thank you so much for those blessings, Constance. I truly appreciate that. And again, it's all about him. I serve at his pleasure. This is his assignment for such a time as this.

SPEAKER_02 8:50

Okay, so your book, Beyond the Hustle, I'm like, now that had to come from the spirit because we are living in such a busy social media. Gotta make it happen. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps, a society. Where did that title come from?

SPEAKER_03 9:11

The title Beyond the Hustle came from a lived experience. So this is not something put on the shelf or something I read about. This is something I lived because I was hustling at the start of my career. I was moving and shaking, getting it done, but I didn't have a plan to be consistent, like you mentioned, about my wellness. And as I was elevating my career, my well-being was like this. So one was going up and the other was going down. And if those of us who grew up in that era listening to the song, do the hustle. So I grew up listening to that song, and now we do dances called the hustle. And I realized hustle is not supposed to be what I'm doing in life. Well, this is how I phrase it now. Like, no, but I was moving and I didn't have margin in my life, and it was costing me, and my my health was being impacted by that. I can relate to that. So, so how would you define the hustle culture? Hustle culture isn't new. I know we talk about it a lot more, but it has been around for decades. And hustle culture, culture is a way that we think and how we live. And the hustle culture talks about prove your worth. If you aren't doing something a certain way, then you are looked at less than. It also has a message that you have to produce, and it's produced, produced, produced, and then you have to push through at all costs. So when people are hustling, they're moving, and many times this hustle also says that rest and wellness are anti, it's anti-well-being, like wellness and self-care are luxuries. So people are doing the thing, people are moving and shaking and successful, but at the cost of so many things related to health and well-being.

SPEAKER_02 10:44

You know, that's so interesting because sometimes on social media you hear people say, you gotta post every hour. You need to post three times a day. And a lot of the social media influences are now coming out and talking about their mental health that is too much, uh, it's too demanding. I didn't know if I want to live or not. So behind the scenes of seemingly great accomplishments, would you say that a lot of women are suffering silently about what's really going on?

SPEAKER_03 11:19

Absolutely. We are on the outside, we are successful, we have all the markers, we check, check, check, but internally, inside, stretch thin, overcommitted, overextended, and as a result of that, we're overworking and over-functioning. So while we I think we talk about this uh social media pretty, and yeah, we do some things and we're doing it, but what happens behind the scenes? What do we do to make sure that we're resting and then we are hitting reset so we aren't caught up way down?

SPEAKER_02 11:50

So, do you feel like it's sort of been normalized for women and men to just push, push, push, and and that might result in burnout?

SPEAKER_03 11:59

Why is that? Yes, so we have normalized this concept of push-through and energy because sometimes it's a fear. If we don't do something, we're looking at will I be looked at as a slacker or lazy? We hear that word lazy. Sometimes it's the fear that someone will get ahead of me because if we're not putting in all the hours, there's somebody who's hungry or eager, or the next one coming up. So, will I lose my place? And we are equating, and we use the words like self-care selfish, or wellness is optional. So people have felt like and we feel as though there isn't an option. We have to continue, can't rest, can't sleep, can't be healthy, can't exercise, and it catches up with us.

SPEAKER_02 12:41

Yeah, I I I've been there and done that. I remember when I was in grad school, I was in grad school, and but then I had to be in undergrad getting some courses that I didn't take because I changed my field that I was, you know, getting my degree in. Then I was working a full-time job. And I remember that the week of graduation I fainted at the bank. Why? I was exhausted, but felt shamed about resting and slowing down and asking for help. And you know, you mentioned in your book that you know it's okay to be ambitious, that's not a problem. But women need to really balance that. What do you mean by that?

SPEAKER_03 13:33

Ambition is beautiful and it's amazing because ambition is about our purpose, it it's what drives us, it what gives it gives us fulfillment. So it's not that we are ambitious and pursuing it, but we need an updated model that is sustainable for our health and well-being and one that fits with the times. When you know, 20, 30 years ago, we didn't have all this stuff that was 24-7 and on demand. TV went off at a certain time. You only had so many channels, the speed limit was 50 miles or 55 miles per hour. You sent things by mail. There was no email, there was no text messaging. So we really had built in times of rest. You sent your letter, you had to wait for it to get there. It's something you wait. Now everything is instant. And even if we want to pause and create margin, we're going against the tide. And until we adopt that lifestyle to say, you know what? No, I will take my phone and set a reminder. I will schedule some meet time, I will take my time off. We feel as though we have to do it because again, people are looking and ready to point the finger. You're not doing enough. Where's that productivity? Are you lazy? So we have to make it sustainable and to fit with current times.

SPEAKER_02 14:41

Yeah, yeah. Do you feel that women have moved into the masculine energy of doing and taking action? What are your thoughts around that?

SPEAKER_03 14:50

Yeah, you know, Constance, we've talked about this before. Masculine energy and feminine energy, powerful concepts. We all have both women, we have masculine and feminine, and men we have masculine, and men have masculine and feminine. So there are character traits, and it's not that women we only have feminine energy, masculine energy. Think about the rational, it's the do now, it's the push, it's the sometimes do it independently. And feminine energy is the intuition, it's the other side of the brain, it's the receptive, it's the collaboration. And I like to describe it as a gas pedal and as a break. When we're driving, we don't drive continuously with the foot on both. When you drive a stick shift, you have to do it just for a little bit until you get going. But when you drive the automatic, you if you're on the gas, you're off the um break, and vice versa. So when we are sitting down and creating, we may again go into the rational part or we make our list and we have our goals, and then when we're in tune with intuition, we're quiet, we're receptive. What do I need now? What do how do I go? And then we're collaborating. So we're building and using both. For women, society has told us that we have to overemphasize those traits that we attribute to masculine energy. If you're going to be successful, if you're going to climb the career ladder, and when we are in fields that are dominated by men, right, we have to do it even more because people are already looking at us going, you're a woman, you shouldn't be here, or you have to do more. And as women, if we're over-emphasizing more and more of the masculine energy, there's a beautiful part of ourselves that's being quieted, that really we're shrinking down, and we get to the point where we feel as though we can't liberate that and live in it. And over a period of time, we may have those experiences and go, Who am I? What am I doing? And a part of me is not being nurtured. So we learn to tap into feminine energy and expressions, the maiden, the mother, the warrior, the queen, you know, the goddess, there's some beautiful expressions of feminine energy.

SPEAKER_02 16:50

Well, I love that. So, in your experience, when you said you broke up with busyness, what was that transition like? What did you have to do differently? What did you observe about yourself? And then what were some things you did differently? Just an example for people who are listening or watching.

SPEAKER_03 17:08

One of the first things I did was I was uh, this was early in my career, I was working. So in the first couple of years when I was a doctor out, I had to work one week where I did I saw all of our patients in the hospital, and that included Saturday and Sunday. My practice was on Sunday, I got up. We always had hot breakfast on Sunday before we went to church. And so that weekend, I got up extra early to go to the hospital around and do all this stuff and make it back home to still do this hot breakfast and get ready. And I was frazzled. One weekend I was so busy and our patients were so much, I was frazzled and thinking, oh my gosh, and I'm driving back and forth, it was 30 minutes, and I was thinking from the hospital to my home, and I was like, I can't do this. So I had to make a decision. Am I going to this weekend not go to church? I will do everything and just give my time to work in the hospital, or am I going to try to do both? I made the decision to not go to church on that Sunday, but I tell you, I was sitting there, literally afraid at first, going, Oh my gosh, what's going to happen? I'm not going to church. You know, am I going to explode? And my family will explode. How would people look at me? I mean, I truly had thoughts like something was wrong, and people would think less than. I was relieved because I didn't have that busyness and that push at work. And after I got through that first Sunday, really I was like this in hospital, kind of thinking, like, oh my gosh. But I tell you, when I realized I didn't cave in, my house didn't fall in, I had these thoughts. I mean, literally, I had these thoughts. Nothing was gonna happen. I didn't burn up. And I thought, okay, it's okay. And then the next month I did the same thing. And then I thought, you know what, this is doable. That was so important because I had to make some choices and it was a relief.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

You know, even in the Bible, it talks about in Hebrews, it talks about rest.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 18:55

You know, there's a rest, even uh whether you believe the Bible or not, and it says on the seventh day, God rested, you know, and so it you know, it's just a mindset. So in your book, you talk about what is the five to thrive that you what does that mean? Yes, expand on that for me.

SPEAKER_03 19:16

Yes, it's important that we have ways to easily put some of these habits into our schedules. Practicing wellness is not about adding another thing to your to-do list, it's about having actions that line up with who you are, and that will look different for all of us because we are unique and in our seasons of life. So, in my company, and I share this with my patients a little too, I talk about five to thrive. These are activities and habits that you can do in five, 10, or 15 minutes, whatever works with your schedule, to bring you that space or that pause or that quick change. And when needed, you can build on these activities or therapies or actions if you want to do a 20 or 30-minute segment or whatever your schedule needs. It may be journaling for five minutes, it may be just being still and seated in a quiet place, it may be reading your Bible, it may be practicing breath work. That's something I'm doing a lot right now is breath work, um, mindfulness, visualization. So, five minutes for somebody who has no margin in their space, five minutes can be a long time. 10 minutes is a game changer. 15, when you can put it in, could be the difference between you reacting and being wired and tired and snapping at people, or walking into every situation, being calm. And when people are just like you say, going off the chain, you just go, okay, all right, and you have that internal calm and still. So five, 10, or 15-minute things that you can do in your schedule that helps you to move from that hustle to being calm and having harmony.

SPEAKER_02 20:57

Yeah, you know, the other day I had a busy day, and I normally do two to three to four miles a day, but that day I said, I'm gonna walk for 10 minutes. That's all the time that I had. And then uh in between another client, I said, I'm gonna go out here and walk another five minutes. And I often quote something that you say. When you were on my show the last time you said, don't try to stop anything, start it. Yes, and when you shared the five-minute things that that women and men can do, so I was surprised at myself that 10-minute walk plus that five minute walk really gave me the energy that I needed for the day. And I think this is good for people, Dr. Angela, because they won't feel so overwhelmed.

SPEAKER_03 21:50

Yes, yes. And that's right. So much is happening in life for all of us that we don't want to be overwhelmed. It's easy to be if you're busy, you have a job, a career. Business is high intensity, but it's not about being overwhelmed, it's about being able to operate in overflow. So not overwhelm, but being able to operate in overflow because you're calm and it's harmony, not hustle. So remember, no overwhelm. We're gonna talk about the overflow.

SPEAKER_02 22:17

Okay. Talk a little bit about the overflow. So when people do those five or 10 or 15-minute practices, does that create an overflow in them? What would you say behind that?

SPEAKER_03 22:28

It absolutely can. Um, we all are gonna start at from a different place, and sometimes, again, if things are so chaotic, it may not be that that 15 minutes is gonna take you from being overdrive to overflow where you have that calm, but it definitely can be a starting point. We all have our inner world, and we talk about this in manifestation, right? Our outer world is a reflection of the inner world before we even see anything and grasp it and experience it tangibly from the physical realm, it already starts here, and then we give it voice and we give it put skin to it, so to speak. So that overflow can begin when we have that inner calm, that inner peace, and we have it internally inside before it comes here. So when we have it here, it can overflow to our external world. We create, we either are gonna create our external environment or we're going to react to it. I want to create my environment. We believe in the power that what we can do, our words, our thoughts, our emotions, we're not reacting to everything, right? We can respond and we can create. So I get to determine if things are chaotic around me, I get to determine that I can by going internally and accessing and creating my calm, that it overflows into my environment.

SPEAKER_02 23:54

I love that. So should there be a paradigm shift inwardly in women about it's okay if I don't make six figures? It's okay. Should there be a shift in identity and what success is and looks and feels like inwardly?

SPEAKER_03 24:13

Yes, success, there isn't one definition of success. We each have to identify and decide how we want to define it. And I believe as well that our definitions may change as we go through our life cycles. When we're 20 and in grad school, right? And maybe or starting off, success will have a different appearance compared to when we are five or 10 years down the road and later. So success is about how we define it, and then we want to, and this is part of the main premise of my book is is it sustainable? Is my pursuit of success sustainable? Is it something that I can be healthy? Is it something that I can enjoy? Because you can have a lot of whatever it is, but if you go, oh my goodness, I missed out on life, whatever that means, yeah, it is a fulfilling.

SPEAKER_02 25:01

And when you said that it reminded me of a time when I had contracts, Dr. Angel, and I was just traveling and making a lot of money, but I was so exhausted. I would just come in the house, I would be gone, I would put my suitcase, I could see it in my mind, in my den, and wouldn't even experience my beautiful home. And people were like, Oh, you got it going on when really I was exhausted. So that's a great example of that, was not sustainable for me.

SPEAKER_03 25:32

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And my and you know, like we I like what you mentioned about wealth, and that goes to for those individuals who have followed John Maxwell, at least read a little bit out of it. Yeah, he talks about the law of the lid, right? For many things, there is a lid, we have to lift that in order to go to the next level. So, wealth, and there are a number of books about our psychology and consciousness about money. Before we go to another phase, another level, it's important and required, essential, that we think about what are my thoughts, what are my patterns right now before I go to the next. I grew up in very humble beginnings. We didn't have a lot of money. We are my family improved and increased over the years. Had I not been able to, and as a family, if we had not been able to think about money, if I hadn't learned about things and learned about investing and some other things, my concepts about money would have remained at a certain level. My identity about the ability to generate wealth and to be okay with wealth and to have a positive relationship with money would have been at a much lower level. So I had to think and I had to lift that lid, you know, to say what my family achieved and generated last generation is not my lid. I can go next, and now our next generation should be looking at what we're doing. We should be right the floor, hopefully. And then their lid, their ceiling is higher.

SPEAKER_02 27:02

And you know, I've been around you maybe three times. You always seem calm and centered. I mean, I can feel that, and maybe centered is the word. And I know you have you a physician, you know. I I know you got a lot going on, but you always seem centered, calm, and like in harmony, at least and present during the interview.

SPEAKER_03 27:30

Yeah, and constants, two of the things I talk about in the book because of that mindfulness and energy. Mindfulness is that practice of being present in the moment because there's so many things that are vying for our attention. And sometimes at work, I'm at my desk where I'm working on my charts, and the nurse may come in and say, Dr. Hart Mac, we have X, Y, and Z. So often there are two things that I'm working on, but then I have to say, okay, this can wait, or let me finish this and go here. So mindfulness is important because it gives us the ability to be present right here, right now. And there's a power, there's a piece in that where I'm not thinking about the past, I'm not thinking about the future, but right here, and we talk about being curious and we are not judgmental. So, mindfulness is something that I learned and I practiced, it has become a lifestyle, and that's important. And also energy, and I talk about this in the book as well. Energy, yeah, energy, energy was a game changer. Oh my goodness, let's talk about energy then.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 28:30

And sometimes people, even now, I'll say something, I was like, Oh, you know what? That energy is not vibing with me or whatever. And they're going, huh? I was like, you know what? When we get to not just managing time, but we look at managing energy, it is important. Now, many of us have recognized, but we didn't know how to put a word to it that maybe there wasn't a person or an event that when we left there, we just didn't feel as good or upbeat as before. Sometimes we talk about energy vampires, people who may intentionally or unintentionally just kind of like fuck it out. They just like latch on, like, uh when we begin to operate and see how we respond, we have the ability to make decisions about what rooms we're in, how we respond to people, how we define our space. Sometimes, like at work, we can't we don't have control over everything in life, but we have control over our energy. And someone said to me recently, Well, Dr. Harden Mac, do you not like this person? I said, No, let's let's be real clear. My goal in life is I don't want to dislike anybody, I'm about love, like, peace, and joy, and some other things. And I send this out, my good blessings to the world. I said, I manage my energy when people are not kind, or they don't have the right intentions, or some things are not when I'm at work, I said we're creating a healing environment. So if someone says something and it's not helping me to create a healing environment for my patients, I was like, that energy has to remain outside of my field because it's not connecting, and from frequency, and we talk about manifestation, the things that are positive and abundance and things vibrate at the higher levels. So this is where I want to be, not down here. So managing and being aware of my energy.

SPEAKER_02 30:17

I'm laughing because just this week I was uh with someone and I said, God, if you get me up out of here, I won't ever, ever, never connect with this person because it was just an energy vampire.

SPEAKER_01 30:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 30:37

And so sometimes as women, you know, we feel like we have to listen and be nurturing, but you're really protecting your soul and yourself when you choose. You love everybody, but you're not gonna be in my inner circle.

SPEAKER_01 30:51

Yes, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:52

I love that mindfulness. So talk briefly about your might framework. What is that?

SPEAKER_03 30:59

Yes, my might framework is a way that women and men, because men can use it too, can easily put these practices and theories into place five, 10, or 15 minutes to protect your energy. And when you protect your energy and well-being, it is by default, it's burnout prevention, and you are placing yourself in a flow so that you can have success that's sustainable. So M is for mindfulness, practicing the presence, I is for inner self-care, not just the external things, great and wonderful, but inner is about time for reflection, self-contemplation. And for women, we talk a little bit about and get into inner self-care. That's another thing I do. G is guarding your boundaries. Boundaries are not walls to keep people out, they define what's in and what's out, and they protect. H is for um harnessing that power. We talk about energy management and emotional intelligence, very important. And then T is for looking at time, not from um a scarcity model, but beginning to look at time as abundance and looking at and thinking about time wellness. Busy people, we all have the same number of hours, 24 hours. And we want to prioritize things so that we don't feel as though there's not enough time. So looking at it in a way that's different and beginning to prioritize um activities and energy important. And when we use the might framework, think about why it yields sustainable success. So I think about might and think about okay, help you.

SPEAKER_02 32:36

Okay, I went to the gym this morning. Let me hold my arm up.

SPEAKER_03 32:39

Okay, yes, so the might so yields sustainable success.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

You know, I love it because you you're giving simple, easy, not overwhelming principles and or techniques that women and men can implement into their lives. It's not overwhelming.

SPEAKER_03 33:02

Yes, yes. Because when you get to the stage wherever you are, if you're just starting off, if you identify as ambitious, high achieving, high performing, you have a schedule you are putting in the work. So it's not that we aren't working, we work in a way that it's sustaining for health. So you don't need another three, four, five things, you don't need another dissertation, you don't need some other things, you know how to do that, you've mastered achievement. You need something quick, simple, easy, and then you can build it and you can stack on it. So that's that's part of that 5, 10, 15, 5, 10, 10. I love that. I love that.

SPEAKER_02 33:35

So, as a physician, what about sleep and moving your body? Does that help us? Yes, with the whole talk about that a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 33:46

Yes, uh, I believe it was May 4th. There is a concept of move, oh, get fit, get fit, don't sit, get fit, don't sit. And um, a number of years ago, I at another place I worked at, we did this thing, it was great. The whole office, we participated and we did activities the day or two before because movement is important, it helps with energy, it helps with being calm, it helps with being able to develop resilience. So, even though we now have a lot that we may do on our devices, and if people are working remotely, moving the body is important, it's important for energy and it's important for overall vitality. So, I encourage people to move, get fit, don't sit. And that's where that five or that 10 minutes can come in, walk around your building, go on the parking lot. If you follow me on social media when the weather is warm, especially last year, I was more several times, probably once a week. I was out in the parking lot at my job, either taking a picture or doing just a couple seconds to show this is not again theory. I do this, this is part of my part of my day, so that's important. Sleep is essential. Sleep, when we wake, we should feel refreshed. Now, there's a number that for each of us is like that sweet spot where we go and for sleep in a certain number of hours, we wake up and feel refreshed. Part of what happens with the hustle culture is that we begin to eliminate things, we begin to sacrifice things. Sleep can be one of those. I love that word sacrifice, because we're like, I gotta get this done, so I won't sleep, or I'll just sleep two hours or three hours, what have you. We sacrifice eating. You know what? That may work for a period of time, but if we don't take the time to get rest, it catches up. And people may feel distracted, they may feel drowsy, brain fog, that puts you at increased risk for mistakes, you're not alert and sharp. And the body is doing some recovery and some repair things during sleep. So not having enough sleep puts the body behind. Think about it as a deficit, it's not being in a position to optimally recharge and heal. So I say to people, don't sleep on sleep. There was that phrase we used to say, don't sleep on something, right? Meaning don't don't ignore it. This is something that's important. So I say, don't sleep on sleep. Don't, you know, get say, ah, no, you you you need to think about sleep.

SPEAKER_02 36:04

You look like you look like you get enough sleep. You know, I heard uh somebody say you look very energized, refreshed, all of the above. But I heard somebody say that a lot of the athletes, you know, like Steph Curry and all of those guys since his basketball season, that in between games, one of the main things they do is get eight to nine hours of sleep so that their body is restored. And their trainer, I guess, gives them, you know, magnesium or something to restore their body for the next game two days away. I'm a big proponent of sleep.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:45

If I don't get it, if I don't get it, I'm not a nice person. So uh what about God or spirit in all of this? What role does that play for women?

SPEAKER_01 36:59

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 36:59

I'm not talking about church or religion, but what about spirituality and God? How does that emesh in all of this?

SPEAKER_03 37:08

Yeah, it does. We are three parts. We have a physical body, we have a mind, and I love the way you said it again. We're not talking about the organized place, what day, where you go, what day you do, and what you do. There's a part of that, that intangible part that is spirit that is about connecting to what we identify as the creator and our purpose and our being. And that's so important for us. And for us to be whole, holistic is whole person. That's part of the whole foundation of what I do. Your body, mind, and your spirit, you want to recognize those three and you want to nourish them. When we have one part or two parts that are not being nourished, it's like having a stool. If anybody has had a three-legged stool, yeah and something was wrong with one leg, you may have jacked it up, you may have done some stuff. People know about the jack leg stuff. But when you have that stool that's balanced, it's stable. And so you have those three parts and it's stable, and it is designed optimally, or it can function according to what it was designed to do. When one leg is shortened or injured, you may be able to prop it up and it may compensate for a little bit, but one thing and it tips over because it's not stable. When we identify and nourish all of who we are, then we have the opportunity, the privilege, and the honor to function as we were designed, so we have stability and we are blessing the world because we're operating according to our giftedness. You don't identify and nourish one part, you may be getting along, but it's kind of like you got that lymph, you're doing something, but over time that compensation becomes decompensated, and that what may have been okay or satisfactory may lead to not being satisfied. So it's dissatisfaction and not satisfaction, and then it can impact your physical health. So are you at your peak, at your greatness, doing what only you can do? So whether we call it spirituality, whether we call it whatever that is, knowing that there is that connection to your purpose, how you show up in the world, it gives you joy because when you do this, you shine, people are blessed, people are impacted, and you get fulfillment in what you do, your life is beautiful. So I encourage people to don't leave out that third part. Life is beautiful. I love it.

SPEAKER_02 39:31

I can tell that you are you're living your book. It's not just theory, you it's who you are. It's your book is the essence of your being. I'm just saying, you know, everything that you're sharing, you know, it's not these are steps. You you you are the book. Yeah, I had to explain to Dr. Uh Dr. Angel uh before we got online uh uh uh that you the what the you are the birthday. Y'all go look it up and ask your younger uh kids or uh friends, but she's the birthday because she has it on the essence of this book, is who she is. Anything else that you would like to share from your book that you feel like would really help women?

SPEAKER_03 40:22

I want to say awareness. Um let your journey start there. I in writing my book, certainly it can help people who are experiencing burnout. I want to get to people before they get to burnout. I want to get to you and help you to know that there is a different way before you feel totally overwhelmed or before you feel as though everything is collapsing. And that first step can be awareness. What am I feeling right now? How am I? Do I have more hustle in life or do I have things coming together to balance? I would say take a couple minutes, check in with yourself so that you have awareness of where you are. Awareness.

SPEAKER_02 41:03

So powerful. I just love it, and I love how people can understand it and implement it. And like I said, Eric, it's not overwhelming, and I can do this, and it's almost like you have strategically just broken it down in the phases. Okay, you're aware, and then the next thing you can do is this, and it's something that's sustainable in the lives of people. So, how can people get your book? Give us your website, uh, how can they contact you? Do you have any specials that you have going on? What's happening here?

SPEAKER_03 41:42

Yeah, well, right now the book is exclusively on Amazon, but that would change. So you want to grab it so it's on Amazon at Beyond the Hustle, both in ebook and the print version. So I have the print version here. I love the purple. Purple is my color. Purple is a purple royalty, purple is calming, purple is queenly, right? So um you have that, and each chapter has some questions. So this is important because you can sit down and go through at it, go through it and think about it. Um, my website is uh www.livegreatlives.com. So stay tuned because there are some things that will be uh added here within the next month, some things that are are coming up. Uh two of the things in the book that you can do is that you can there's a QR code, two QR codes. One is in the chapter, and you're able to get a copy of the Thrive and Balance quiz. It's free. And it gives you the ability to find out if you have more hustle than harmony in your life. So when you scan it, it takes you to that quiz, and then you get a um a score there. And one of the things that we'll be showing is that I got a new course coming out here pretty soon.

SPEAKER_02 42:51

So uh, I hear something.

SPEAKER_03 42:55

And then there is another QR code about midway through the book, and this is a resource that I'm offering exclusively, it's only available when people get the book and you get the QR code, it's called the MIT Essence. So it goes into just a little bit more about this might and talk about some things that you can do a short period of time, how you can implement this concept into your daily schedule. So I'm not advertising it any place else. Again, only people who read the book can get that. So um, ebook or the print version.

SPEAKER_02 43:28

Wow, Dr. Angela Harden Matt, what a name. What a woman. How awesome you are. You are gift to the world. So, guys, I want you to share this link. Okay, ladies, you got a sister, you got a coworker, you got a friend that you know, another woman that you know, if you're in an organization in a sorority, share it with your sorority sisters, if you're in the book club, because we all need to hear this. And I felt led by the spirit to have her. On and what you guys may not know, I'm not bragging on myself, it's just the truth. I get every week I might get 20 or 30 different can I be on your show? And um, but when I saw her online, the spirit just said, have her on your show. Now it took us a while to get it together because she got it going on. She's busy being the queen, crowning other folk and doing what she does. But this is if you're listening to this, the spirit has attracted you here so that you could hear it. So I'm inviting people to share this on your timeline. Y'all always sharing stuff. Send the link uh to this show. You know, what's what's epic to people? Send it in to Instagram, Facebook, uh, TikTok, wherever you thrive and vibe, you're helping somebody else. So make sure you do that. And as I say every week, the same energy and power and love that is holding the galaxies together at this very moment. That same energy, that love, that put 44 billion stars into the universe. That same love, power, and energy is on the inside of you and is ready for you to manifest your best life. Everybody, have a great week.