RANKING All Friday the 13th films Crazy Ralph Podcast - EP 1 part 1

The Crazy Ralph Podcast is a love letter to the Friday the 13th Franchise and will feature a regularly scheduled podcast to cover everything to do with the world of Friday the 13th. 

Episode 1 part 1 
Hosts, Jason and Uncle Pete take turns ranking their favorite Friday films. Discussing the good, bad and the bloody. 

5:04 Remake
11:29 Freddy vs Jason
18:36 Jason X
24:02 Jason Goes to Hell
31:53 Jason Takes Manhattan
38:07 New Blood
45:35 Jason Lives

Who's list do you agree with more? 
What is your list? Share and debate.


Uncle Pete's List
1. Friday the 13th 6 Jason Lives 
2. Friday the 13th 4 Final Chapter
3. Friday the 13th
4. Friday the 13th part 2
5. Friday the 13th part 3
6. Friday the 13th part 5 New Beginning
7. Jason X
8. Friday the 13th Remake
9. Friday the 13th 7 New Blood
10. Freddy vs Jason
11. Friday the 13th 8 Jason Takes Manhattan
12. Jason Goes to Hell

Jason's List
Uncle Pete's List
1. Friday the 13th      
2. Friday the 13th part 3
3. Friday the 13th part 2
4. Friday the 13th 6 Jason Lives 
5.   Friday the 13th 4 Final Chapter
6. Friday the 13th part 5 New Beginning
7. Friday the 13th 7 New Blood
8. Friday the 13th Remake
9. Jason X
10. Freddy vs Jason
11. Friday the 13th 8 Jason Takes Manhattan
12. Jason Goes to Hell

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Welcome to the Crazy Ralph Podcast, all things Friday the 13th. I'm your host Jason and I'm with your friendly neighborhood, Uncle Pete. Awesome. We're really looking forward to uh to doing this podcast. It's uh it's uh for me it's a labor of love. I love Friday the 13th, it's my franchise. I know Uncle Pete has uh has his own franchise, but he definitely does have a lot of love for Friday. So you can obviously watch us on YouTube or you can listen to us where podcasts can be listened to. We're everywhere, and uh hopefully we find a way into your heart. And just to give you a little bit of uh, you know, what to expect on this podcast, you know, we again we love Friday the 13th. I don't think we have blinders on. I don't think we think all 12 films are great, and we're going to we're gonna talk about that, but we're gonna do breakdowns, we'll do some rankings, we'll do analysis interviews with cast of Friday the 13th films, as well as uh some of the filmmakers and uh and celebrities around the world of Friday the 13th, whether it be people who manage certain websites or tourist attractions. Uh we really want to uh um you know envelop ourselves into the Friday the 13th world. And then we're gonna do fun things, uh fun games, fun activities, some some some different segments that just you know are gonna be unique to this show. Yeah, too. Um yeah, we'll do some recasting, which I know Uncle Pete is really pumped to do.

SPEAKER_00 1:40

That was kind of I was excited when you gave me that idea. I was like, ooh, like in today's actors and actresses, like that's a fun idea.

SPEAKER_01 1:47

All right. So we'll we'll get to that. And we have a lot of uh we're you know, we'll break every show down, we'll have some segments in each show. This show is going to be a little bit different in the sense that it's a packed show. What we thought would be the best way to go about this is to do a rankings show where we will go through all the films and we'll both comment on them and rank them, personal rankings, obviously. There's 12 films, so that that'll take up a good chunk of change. So we don't really have much more than that, but we figured it would be a great first episode because it gives you an idea of where we stand on certain films.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

And uh and where we can go from there.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

You may agree with us, you may like be totally against what we say, but that's the fun part of it.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

You know, and that is the fun part, especially with Friday the 13th, because I'll tell you something. Yes, there are some bad films in this franchise. Oddly enough, some people really love those films, but not only that, unlike Halloween, unlike Elm Street, unlike a lot of the other franchises, the number one pick of a Friday the 13th fan varies more than any other franchise in the horror world either.

SPEAKER_00 2:58

That's a good assessment, yeah. Yeah. Because if you think Halloween, most are gonna pick Halloween 78. Yeah. Same thing with Child's Play or uh Nightmare on Elm Street, even Texas Chainsaw. That's an excellent point because Friday is gonna have the most widely different favorite movie, I think.

SPEAKER_01 3:14

Yeah, there's there's definitely the front runners, but uh, between those, they uh get quite uh divided up. So always fun to uh to to hear rankings for Friday the 13th. And I know that we're gonna piss some people off with certain takes, but uh we're also gonna make some people happy. And at the end of this all, feel free to contribute your list, add your list to the uh comment section, and let's have some fun with it. Totally. Pete, before we jump into this, you have anything to say?

SPEAKER_00 3:47

No, just like Jason said, welcome. Hope you guys get something out of it. I know Jason and I have been talking about this, we're gonna get a lot out of it. We're excited. We have a passion for horror, we have a passion for Friday the 13th. Hopefully that comes across. We like, but it's no good to be keeping it to yourself. We like sharing it with you guys. You know, you see our passion, you get into like, oh man, other people love Friday as much as I do. We all love horror. So it's a fun place where hopefully you guys enjoy what we say and we enjoy interacting with you all.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

Absolutely. Couldn't said it, couldn't have said it better. That's why I threw it to you. So we are going the way we're gonna do this ranking show is you know, rather than Pete say his 12 and my uh my 12th place and go back and forth and regurgitate material, we're gonna start with the say we're gonna go through each film and we're gonna say our piece on that film, and at the end we'll give a ranking what it is on our we'll rank it what it is on our list. And because let's face it, I mean, if we're gonna be honest, the the the back end of the Friday the 13th franchise is a can be a little bit of a dumpster fire, it depends. Um, we're gonna start with the last film that was made, which was the remake in 2009. So we'll make our way all the way to the original and uh we'll see you on the other side. So, first up, Friday the 13th, the remake. So 2009 this came out. Um, tagline was very simple for this one. Welcome to Crystal Lake. Uh they didn't spend a lot of time on uh that marketing, but uh released February 15th, 2009, a budget of 19 million dollars. Uh US and Canadian gross was 65 million. Opening weekend, US and Canada was 40 million, and worldwide was 91 million. So it's uh, you know, it uh it did well. It did really well.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

Uh Marcus Nisbell.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

Yes, exactly. You know, you know, we and legalities are something that we'll talk about in this podcast at some point. But who would have known with a successful sequel, whether you liked it or not, the money was there that this would have been the last time we would see Jason. Right? Yeah, so what is that now?

SPEAKER_00 6:05

2026.

SPEAKER_01 6:07

17 years. I mean, and the the added salt to the wound was you know, for the years everyone was waiting for the 13th, Friday the 13th film, right? And we stopped at 12. We've been parked at 12 for almost two decades. It's uh sometimes it's it's tough, tough to love you know, your children, but you stick with them. All right. That being said, I'm gonna throw to Uncle Pete for his uh his analysis of the remake.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

I had the remake ranked number eight, and it kind of moved around. I've ranked these films a bunch of different times on my channel and other channels. It kind of moved down a little bit, but I did enjoy it. It is a good remake as far as remake in the Pantheon of remakes. I think it's a pretty solid remake. You know, not as good as the thing or the blob, the fly, the three, you know, icons, but I think it's a pretty decent remake. I like how they combined the first three films into one. My issue with it was everybody was too pretty. It felt like a CW episode of Friday the 13th. Everybody's just too pretty and polished and handsome. And it was the typical cliche characters we've seen, you know, the the jock asshole, the the girlfriend who probably doesn't like them, like the loner, the nerd. Not that we really haven't seen before. The script was kind of comical. Like we're in a gas station, he's like, Well, you wouldn't want to piss me off. What happens then? It's just like you get that eye roll, this jock douchebag mentality. I was just like, Okay, yeah, he's gonna die. A little predictable on it, but as far as remakes go, I did enjoy it. So kind of right in the middle at number eight for me.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

All right. Well, they uh yeah, they leaned into tongue in cheek, which um I at the time I did it wasn't too big on because again, same director as the Texas remake, a film that no one thought should be remade, and then overall, I think most people were like blown away, at least at the time, um kind of thought that heavy tone was gonna come to the Friday the 13th franchise, and it didn't. It it it really kind of uh played into the 80s stereotypes, and uh so I was a little bit upset with that. I my my feelings towards the remake were a lot different when I saw it versus what they are now, and that was because I was really, really pissed off with this remake when it first came out because you know you had uh part one, I know you said one to three, I think there's even elements of part four in there. Okay, and I think you kind of had you know, you you had four parts, you blow your load on all these, you know, all in one movie. And why that pissed me off was because I thought this was the start of something, you know. So I thought this was launching into you know the next generation of Friday the 13th. So I'm like, you did everything in one movie. Like, why? Like, why was that so rushed? Why was it so? And now that that hate that I had for that decision really doesn't apply because they never made any more movies. So it's now it's a standalone, and I can appreciate it a little bit more whether that was whether they knew that that was gonna be it, anyways. Um, not gonna spend too much time with this one. I did like the aggression of Jason in this one. I thought, like, you know, he he definitely brought like while there was goofy stuff going on in the film, he wasn't. Um, I like that. Uh I thought the portrayal was great. And uh, and it it definitely had some elements. Um, but overall, it kind of straddles the line of just being good, you know. I don't watch it a lot. That usually isn't the indicator, right? So funny enough, it's number eight on my list as well. So hopefully hopefully we disagree a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 9:59

And one thing I want to add, because like you said, you mentioned Derek Mears. I think he did a great job as Jason. Yeah, so it was funny. I think it's Hatchet Three. Derek Mears plays this SWAT officer going against Victor Crowley, who was played by Kane Hotter. So there's like a little banter between them, like, okay, come on, let's go. Knowing that both were adjacent. So that was a fun part in Hatchet Three because you had both Jasons fighting.

SPEAKER_01 10:22

Nice, nice touch. Okay, so just a quick little, I'm gonna give you a little bit of a rotten tomatoes. Now, I have my issues with this website. I I don't, you know, really subscribe to a lot, but I know a lot of people do love it. So it's got a tomato meter of 14% and a popcorn meter of 42%. Uncle Pete, how familiar are you with Rotten Tomatoes?

SPEAKER_00 10:44

Yeah, I the I normally the critics one, I kind of like you taking the grain of salt. Okay, that's the tomato meter.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

Okay, tomato meter is the critics one, right?

SPEAKER_00 10:55

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:55

Is it? Yeah, okay. I'm just I'm asking for it.

SPEAKER_00 10:57

Yeah, because you have the tomato meter is the critics, and you got the little thing of popcorn, which is like the audience one.

SPEAKER_01 11:02

All right, all right. So we gave a plug here to uh to the old rotten tomatoes, but uh it's always worth you know checking out. I definitely think that this that that website is not kind to Friday 13th, and it uh it kind of bugs me a little bit. But let's move on. And this was kind of an interesting second film to dissect, but it is the uh at the time long-awaited Freddie versus Jason and the tagline winner kills all, evil versus evil, place your bets. Um, and uh it was released on August 17th, 2003. Funny enough, it was uh a blackout on the Eastern Seaboard uh across the states in Canada. I don't know how much that affected the box office, but it uh still did very, very well. $30 million budget gross of in US and Canada $82.6 million, uh, which is phenomenal. Um opening weekend US and Canada was $36.4 million, and the worldwide gross was 116 million. So uh 117 million if you're rounding up. Big numbers and big opinions with this film. So I'm gonna throw it to Uncle Pete to start us off.

SPEAKER_00 12:25

One thing I was gonna say I had to remember about this film, it was 2003. So for us older guys and gals, you know, we saw the infinite that was during the infancy stage of the internet. So I remember all like these websites like place your bet. You had Bruce Buffer doing like promos for it. There was a weigh-in. I gotta give credit to the promotion for the marketing for this film, it was genius. Yeah, they had like people dressing up like Bruce Buffer, like toe-to-toe weigh-ins. So like the marketing was genius, and it was like you were super excited, expectations were high because you had two of the icons going at it. Man, I was a little disappointed. This was number 10 for me. You know, the last 20 minutes, great, great fight scene. But again, I thought the script was really trash, more cliche characters, you know, just like it was just the same thing, and again, almost too pretty. You had the two main actresses, and this is what it is. You get distracted by their boobs hanging out the entire film. Not a bad thing per se, but the one girl, the blonde, she's falling out of her top, not complaining, it's great, but it kind of takes away from the horror movie because they just wanted to make it all polished and clean. Again, everybody's just too attractive for me, and it just it's a turnoff, you know. I just it gets a it's bothersome. I want to see the ugly part of Friday the 13th. Whatchamacallit, the cornfield scene, awesome. That part I did love, but the climax was great, but it's just that cast of characters, they were so cliche. You had that Jane Silabob character, the the stoner pothead. It was like again, like it a little less, so number 10.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

All right. This one I was really surprised because when it came out, like everybody was just kind of like like that, right? They're just like, oh, whatever. Like, I mean, that what was that kind of thing? And then what surprised me is like, you know, having a horror channel and then talking to people is how much younger people like this film and and love this film. Um I'm definitely not in that camp. And I'm not, I I try not to be like, you know, old man cynic when I kind of like, you know, view this film. Yeah, but you know, like you, we were there from almost the beginning, and this was an anticipated uh, you know, battle that we never really thought we would get, but like we always hoped. So you kind of wanted it to come down to uh a little bit of a tighter script, a little bit scarier. And and like you said, like I mean, they really kind of it was very popcorn y um, you know, lines like, you know, uh Jason is afraid of water and Freddie's afraid of fire. Can we use that?

SPEAKER_00 15:08

And it's just like I'm paraphrasing, but I don't I don't think you had the pinball scene, the the pinball sounds when Jason's bouncing. I know it's the dream world, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:19

Yeah, you know, and it really kind of disappointed. I was not a big fan of how, like, you know, all of a sudden uh Freddie's like a kung fu master in in the reality. He pulls on his martial arts arsenal, which we hadn't seen in any night or an Elm Street film, I gotta say. Um, and and he just becomes this like jetly kind of you know force. It just I was I couldn't, you know, get into that. Like, you know, if you're gonna get to a physical battle and you're gonna make Freddie start kicking Jason's butt, you're losing me. Obviously, uh, I was team Jason, but at the same time, you know, I can understand the certain worlds would work in each one's favor, and that was just kind of silly for me.

SPEAKER_00 16:00

And something else that didn't work is because they wouldn't want the whole oh, if you're holding on to something when you get pulled out of the dream world, you bring it with you. That was already proven to be false after the first film. Yeah, they went back to it like 10 films later. This is gonna work. No, but that it's proved that doesn't work. You just can't grab Freddy out of it. But one part I did like, I liked the idea on how Jason got escaped from hell. Freddie, no powers, everybody forgot about him. He resurrects Jason. Hey, go cause hell. So they think it's me, I get power, I come back. That part I liked. Well, just the execution was trash.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

Yeah, you know, it's really unfortunate. I'm I'm gonna save my ranking because I might forget it. Once again, this is not planned, but it's 10th on my list. It wasn't planned at all. Yeah, we were we're kind of rolling uh or we'll see, we'll see. Then we know this podcast is meant to be between us if we have a unanimous list. Um, you know, and then obviously the the hardest thing to kind of accept was the omission of Kane Hodder as Jason.

SPEAKER_00 17:07

Um you just didn't want to use him.

SPEAKER_01 17:12

I know for me, it just looked like a totally like you know, was Ken Kurtinger or sorry, I mutilated his name. Is like I don't know, like a foot taller than Kane Hodder, so it just elongated Jason even more, which I don't think you needed to do. Kane Hodder's pretty big. The the body frame, and then like you know, I I don't know, I just don't I don't and I don't like Jason with a pullover. I'm sorry. I don't I do not like Jason wearing a sweater. Yeah, because you can't imagine him getting up in the mirror in the morning and like I know, like adjusting himself and like you know, um, but so I did not like the the the aesthetic of Jason in that movie. I mean it didn't destroy me, like I would it it's been worse, but um not having Kane Hodder hurt me, and I know how much it hurt him. Um, you know, so it's just a shame because it was always supposed to be you know, at some point anyway, um Kane and Robert.

SPEAKER_00 18:07

And it just And now everybody's too old, we're never gonna get it.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

No, yeah, you're just not, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

And that's the sad part.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

Yeah, yeah, it really was unfortunate, but not our favorites. And again, like I said, a very, very popular film. So that may be a hot take that we have.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

And a good metal soundtrack. Like I said, marketing was great, good metal soundtrack.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

Yep, yeah, absolutely. Okay, so we we move on to, and this one's always an interesting one to cover. This is Jason X, and uh Evil gets an upgrade. Debatable. It was released April 28th, 2002, with a budget 11 million dollars, uh, gross of 13 million dollars in US and Canada. Opening weekend was 6.6 mil, and a worldwide gross of 17 million dollars, uh, just six million over their budget. Um you know, let's go to the rotten tomatoes for sorry, for Freddie versus Jason, because I don't want to lead anything out. Freddie versus Jason's Rotten Tomatoes. Do I have it here? Let's see. Oh, there it is. A tomato meter of 42%, a popcorn meter of 50%. And if 50 sounds low based on the scores Friday gets on this website, 50 is pretty high. So it tells you what uh what fans nowadays think of that film. While I'm here, let's just look into Jason X, which should be a very, very interesting tomato meter if I can find it. I apologize. But actually, you know what? Wowward while I'm looking for this, Uncle Pete, how about it?

SPEAKER_00 19:48

Again, this one changed for me. I used to have it much higher because I do kind of love it. I used to have it for right now, I have it as number seven. I love the concept. Uber Jason was great. I loved when he's turning into Uber Jason. If you see the computer screen, it says, oh, insufficient like biomass to you know use the nano meets nano uh machines. So then it goes to like the metal surrounding like the tray and everything else in there to supplement that. That part I always found super cool. That's how you so explains how he gets he gets a legit upgrade, not enough mass, use metal and stuff. So Uber Jason looks great, loved it. Still, again, the goofy characters and the they they went to ton and cheek. The one-liners, this sucks on so many levels, and she gets sucked out in the space. Okay, everybody had a goofy name like Samarin, like Raytheon, all this, like because in the future we're all gonna have wacky names, apparently. You know, and again, the one part where the dot the main teacher gets killed. Oh, he just wanted his machete, guys. I was like, oh my god, that's not bad, that's just cringe. Yeah, you know, but yeah, I moved it a little bit lower, a little less than half. Like, I I do enjoy, I will rewatch this from time to time. Like if I'm doing a watch through for sure, I just like the other ones a little bit more, but on a couple rewatches, it's just a little bit too goofy, but there is stuff I still like and enjoy about it.

SPEAKER_01 21:15

All right, so what was your ranking on in this one? Seven. All right, okay, we disagree. You'll have to stay for my ranking, but before we uh do that, Jason X, tomato meter, 20%. Critics didn't like it. I am shocked. And uh popcorn meter of 25%, so slightly better. Okay, so this is kind of similar to the remake in the sense that when it came out, I had no time for this. They were really effing with my franchise at this point, if they hadn't already, but this was definitely sending it to the next level. And I have come around, I don't know if time has softened me or you know, I just saw, you know, some other films a few too many times that he kind of can appreciate this. Again, think when these movies are coming out, you know, you're as a fan, you know, Jason X comes out and he's in space. And as a fan, you're like, okay, I really dug early Jason. How are we gonna get back there? Like, what's gonna happen? The trajectory is so askew. Now you know that that movie stands on its own. Again, you know, this that series, for better or for worse, is is wrapped up. Like, and you're not gonna get a follow-up. So now you could kind of cut it some slack, and that's I think where I'm at. Uber Jason, cool design. I think it's a fun one to have in the franchise if you just watch it for fun. And um, you know, and you know, overall, likable cast. Overall, you know, it's I thought they had some good chemistry together. Uh and I I definitely, you know, I mean, I thought it had some fun like the uh where he's beating the campers with the sleeping bag at the end.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

It was I did chuckle, I said tongue in cheek, but I did like, hey, you want some like beer, some pot, some premarital sex? I was like, yes.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

You know, might might be the hardest laugh I've had in a Friday 13th film, I'll be honest. So um, you know, I'll give it a little bit of credit to that. Um not gonna give it too much credit, but you know, it's it's got watchability.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

And you know, I think his name is Bratsky, is a cool character.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:23

He's a cool guy at the end. I liked him a lot. Yeah. Um liquid nitrogen kill is fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Probably probably one of the best kills in the franchise. Exactly. You know, like and and who would think that, like, you know, from uh uh from this film that like you know, you probably have a lot of people consider it the the best, the number one, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

Yeah, so you wouldn't be wrong for thinking that.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

No, no, very, very cool kill. It is number nine on my list, so it is still quite low, but fun nonetheless. All right, so we will go to the next film on uh on our list here, which is Jason Goes to Hell the Final Friday. Evil has finally found a new home. The creator of the first returns to bring you the last. I forgot, I forgot about that. Me too. I just my brain went like I totally I completely Wow, I I totally forgot about that. And I'd like to thank okay, so there's two people doing this podcast. There is obviously myself and Uncle Pete, but there is a third man behind the scenes who is has provided me the the depth that we are getting here, and uh we're gonna call him Slick Slomopovich and uh and Slick Slomopovich from cabin six. That's that's where uh where all this information comes from. So he's working hard in cabin number six, and uh and thank you, Slip. Uh I'm gonna call him Schlick, sorry, Slick Slamopovich. I will also add that I I we put in a little bit of work here. I said, what what's your top and what's your bottom? So Jason goes to hell was his last. So I will throw that in. But, anyways, let's get to the box office information and release details. August 15th, 1993, a budget of $3 million, a gross in US and Canada of 15.9, $6 million, $16 million. Opening weekend in US and Canada, $7.5 mil, worldwide gross of 15.9. So it didn't really go anywhere other than the US and Canada, which is probably fine. Uncle Pete, have at it.

SPEAKER_00 25:34

Okay, let's start with what I like. Tentpole kill. I was in high school when this movie came out. Early, you know, like the mid to early 90s. It wasn't the internet, you know. So you took the what you can see on TV. So like that 10 pull scene, you're like, oh, cool. Oh my god. 10 pole scene is killer. Also, um, when Deputy Josh uh he starts melting after the Jason Worm goes into him. Killer special effects. Fantastic. Other than that, I can't stand this movie. It's number 12. I just I don't want to say hate, hate's a strong word, but Creighton Duke, everybody loves Creighton Duke because you know, it was Captain Fuller from 21 Jump Street, but I couldn't stand his character. He's like, you know what I think about? And he takes a donut, sticks to hot, and it's just like it's it's just it's so cringe to me. Jason's not even in it. You know, you get the few, you know, here you get you know, Kane Hotter playing Jason again for the beginning and the end. Oh, look, I got I get to see him in a mirror for three seconds. It was just yeah, and then at the end, oh yeah, I got her body, so the mom's body's a blood relative, so the worm goes into her and poof Jason with the freaking mask on. Come on. It's just I know you gotta suspend disbelief, but it was just crap.

SPEAKER_01 26:56

All right, well, and my take is harsh. I um, you know, that whole talk about insulting that to a voorhees he was born, and only through a vorhees must he die or something like that. I I don't even remember again, paraphrasing, but um oh man, like this is this is I'm not even gonna hold out, you know. This is my last, this is 12th, this is 15th, this is whatever, however low I could put it. Um you know, I don't think there's the 11 on my list is oceans ahead of this film. And and and it it's just it's I've said this at the beginning that some of the movies are dumpster fires. I'm gonna reserve it for this. This was a dumpster fire. It didn't know what it was. It was the first film to be taken away from Paramount, and it totally felt like that. It felt like it was just completely transformed, different feel, different take, different everything was just different, and everything missed.

SPEAKER_00 28:01

I felt like they never watched the Friday the 13th. Like whoever made that wrote that movie, yeah. Hey, it's called Friday the 13th, you got a killer who wears a hockey mask called Jason. Okay, and they didn't want like you said, you were right on the money. There was no tone, no camp tone. No, nothing, nothing that made it feel like summer camp, summertime. It was just it was like a crime thriller, and just it beasts.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

This was like, yeah, uh Cunningham coming right back for this. Like, I mean, like, I don't know how involved he was on this, but like you got excited as a Friday fan, like with that tagline. Of course, we forgot about it, but like this is like you you thought it was in the hands of you know mom and dad, but it clearly was not, or like you know, I mean but if you think about it, Sean never wrote Jason, no, he wrote Jason drowning in the lakes.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

Could that be maybe he didn't understand a character because his vision, remember, it was supposed to be an anthology, his vision was supposed to be die there. So could that be?

SPEAKER_01 29:03

I don't know. I mean, I'm with you on the tent pole scene. I think that was like, you know, uh a lot of fun. Uh Aaron Gray, uh, uh I I liked. I thought she was, you know, it was kind of shocking to see her in there. And my another big like just what the hell is the look of Jason in this movie is really bothers me. He's swollen. Like, I don't know. I mean, I'm saying swollen to avoid saying he's fat, but like he's just bloated and it it's just such a ridiculous look. Like, this is again it falling into hands of people who just do not know what to do with this property. Uh but the irony is that it was directed by a super fan, right?

SPEAKER_00 29:51

Yep. And another thing you bring up that kind of bugged me is like one thing I like about the well, I like about the Friday franchise is the way it ends and the next movie begins. You see Jason's transformation, his progress. Yeah, up until Jason goes to hell, and we'll get to Jason takes Manhattan that ending, we'll get to that. You start this film like okay, so how does that tie in to that one? All the previous films did that excellent. Yeah. Time the ending in with the beginning. Here, you just okay, here's a girl with big boobs, okay. She's taking a shower for some reason, and then okay, there's Jason, and there's the SWAT. Yeah, and you have to fill in all the blanks between the two. It's just like it was such a disconnect, and like you said, it was like so disrespectful, yeah, to Crystal Lake, Jason Voorhees.

SPEAKER_01 30:42

Yeah, it was, you know, and just shoehorning, you know, mythology in there, you know, the Necronomicon and so I know, but like I'm just saying, like, so you're telling me from part two, all they need to do was find another Voorhees to kill them. It could have that like all of us, like I anyways. I think we spent too much time on this one. Um, because we're not saying anything nice, and we don't want to dump on the because of the people that worked on it, right? But look, we have to call it what it is, and and this is definitely last with a bullet. Um, and the tomato meter for this one is low-ly and uh popcorn meter of 23%, which relatively speaking, I find a little high.

SPEAKER_00 31:23

A little high. I was just gonna say a little high for me.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

Yeah. Um, but listen, you I mean, I don't know. I guess the people, people that love these films, or well, no, I was gonna say people that love these films go on these websites, but clearly not. Friday the 13th, fans, you gotta get on Rotten Tomatoes and and you gotta start loving your franchise because it needs help. It needs help on Rotten Tomatoes. Um, all right, so we are making our way down to the grade eight. Friday the 13th, part eight. Jason takes Manhattan. New York has a new problem.

SPEAKER_02 32:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

Released July 30th, 1989, a budget of 5 mil, a gross of 14.3, opening weekend of six million dollars, and uh a worldwide gross of 14.3. Again, pretty much local to US and Canada. So I will uh throw this to you.

SPEAKER_00 32:20

So again, I don't want to spend too much time on this one because it's widely known as not a good one. Um, Kane Hotter, I will say he's a great physical Jason. He's uh he's a physical Jason, you know, just the way he carries himself and he had this wet look the entire time, which carries over from the ending of number seven. But obviously, it's mostly on a boat. I ranked as number 11, you know. Um I'm an you could probably hear the accent sometimes. I'm from New York, actually. So I was living in New York, you know, living in New York when this film came out. It was super cool. It was again great marketing for it. Lots of cool posters. Posters pretty killer with Jason cutting through the I Love New York scene. Lots of cool posters aren't, but yeah, it was a Friday the 13th movie, but it wasn't at Camp Crystal Lake. I I know what I like, I want it out of camp. It was on a boat, and then you guys there's a lot to disbelieve in here, you know. So you have to suspend disbelief because Crystal Lake somehow connects to the Pacific Ocean through lakes and rivers and something, you know, and then the beginning of it okay, he gets resurrected because like the electrical line hits him, fine, and just so happens this guy has a replica Jason mask on the helm as Jason Clinton. It's a little too convenient for me. At least give him a new mask, go back to the sack head. That would have been the cool part. He just pulls a sack on his head, bam, cool. But it was a little too convenient with the mask and everything. It's again, I don't want to spend too much time. It's not a good movie. I mean, the the head punched off scene is cool when he drowns the guy, toxic waste, great. But the ending angers me so much because you're down and you see a kid in a bathing suit, and that's supposed to be Jason, Age doesn't match. In my head, the only way I can think that movie exists is she's still hallucinating from the drugs that those guys injected her with, and she has her own mental problems, and she hallucinated that in the realm of all film made no sense. The toxic ways washed Jason off and now he's a kid again. It angers me to this day.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

I could tell. I could tell. Listen, this one has sentimental value for me because this was when I was a kid, this was coming out at the time where like I was able to, you know, go to see the these in the theater and stuff like that. And uh so like that I was like I was buying what they were selling. This is the reverse of some of the other films, like you know, not that I loved it at the time, but I definitely liked it more than I do now. You know, Chrissy's dad from Three's Company, hey, he's in it, that's always fun. I I definitely Jason on a boat is kind of a cool idea, but you throw Jason takes Manhattan in the title, and it that's when it doesn't work, right? Jason terrorizing a boat with like some graduating kids. That's a cool spin, but you know, not when you attach it with the and like you said, the marketing for this film, Jason on Arsenio Hall. For those of you who do not know, Arsenio Hall was a big talk show back in the day, and Jason made an iconic appearance. You have to YouTube this. I can't tell you if it holds up now, but at the time, this brought the house down. This was massive, and it was Kane Hodder in his glory. You know, it's it's really unfortunate the way this movie, like, you know, you don't you know you don't have a budget for New York stuff. Call it Jason Takes Manhattan. Like, I get the gimmick thing, but like, you know, you're really kind of hemming yourself in.

SPEAKER_00 35:48

It's like they're too focused on the tagline of the movie because that's one thing about Friday the 13th. Killer taglines, yeah, you know, for some of them, and it's like, oh, we have to have it's like they almost like, let's think of a tagline before we write the movie.

SPEAKER_01 36:02

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a good tagline, let's make a movie on it, and then you go from the I feel like there has to be someone who knows it.

SPEAKER_00 36:09

I feel like that happened. They knew the tagline, and then let's make a movie off of it.

SPEAKER_01 36:14

Yeah, no, I I you might be right. It might be like John's got a tagline, then we got a movie. So, you know, again, we're gonna move off this one kind of quickly, but I do want to really lace into the what I call pumpkin head Jason at the end. That makeup was just a deplorable. Uh I don't even use that word. That's it was absolutely ridiculously bad coming off of part seven, which we'll get to. That was just when his mask came off. I again I thought it was like another dream sequence or something. There's no way that's it. There's no way that's his face. There's no way a makeup artist came up with that. A director said, Yes, that's the look. How did how did these things happen? And again, with what you were saying about the um, you know, the dream sequence and the continuity, which is gonna be an episode, a fun episode of this podcast down the road. Continuity of Friday the 13th is definitely, you know, all over the place. So we won't get into it too much there. My ranking for Friday the 13th, part eight is 11. Yep. So it's pretty low. And what was yours again? What did you have? 11. I think we disagreed on one, anyways. So Rotten Tomatoes for Friday the 13th, part eight. Jason takes Manhattan. Tomato meter, 11%, popcorn meter, 26%. Um, I don't think it could be lower, but anyways, we moved again.

SPEAKER_00 37:41

As a New Yorker, every night New York floods the sewers with toxic waste.

SPEAKER_01 37:47

That's what we do in New York. Yeah, it's that's I know. That's what's done. But you did bring up a this the opening title sequence, the song, the darkest. I forgot what it's called. I should do my homework on that one, but that was a cool song. I really enjoyed that song. All right, moving on to Friday the 13th, part seven. On Friday the 13th, Jason is back, but this time, Someone is waiting. Pretty good. Released May 15th, 1988. Budget of $2.8 million dollars, gross 19.1 mil, opening weekend 8 million, and again, worldwide gross of 19.1 million. I'm wondering, if we go to like Europe, do they know Friday the 13th? Yeah, it's curious. Overseas numbers now. Anyways, part seven, go for it.

SPEAKER_00 38:34

I'd have it ranked at number nine. It's again, like once they went supernatural with Jason, I I kind of lose a little bit of interest. Like, okay, okay, this girl, she's got telekinesis. Okay, great. I know they want it's pretty much we got this instead of the first iteration of Jason versus Freddie. They couldn't get the right, so I guess they could decide, well, we can't do Freddie versus Jason. We'll give this girl, we'll be Carrie, she'll have telekinesis. Okay, great. How does telekinesis revive somebody? Okay, she just jump started a heart. Okay, no deterioration because she goes into the lake to restart to find her dad because he drowned in the lake because she had a temper tantrum. I kept watching this movie and I keep asking myself, so what? It's just it was just one character's trauma, and she's all like tense and the whole time. And I'm just like, I don't want to say shit or get off the pot. I was just like, you're doing okay in life right now. Like, yeah, your mom's a bitch and the doctor's an asshole and stuff like that, but I kept asking myself, so what? The good Jason's look is killer. Seeing his spine when he comes out of the lake, which again, that continuity, which we'll you know discuss in future episodes, he's all deteriorated, waterlogged, takes the mask off. You're like, oh crap. K Hotter is great, one of the best looks as Jason. The kills were heavily edited by the MPAA, so we didn't get a lot of good kills. But yeah, I'm just I'm I'm like, it's Jason versus Carrie. I was like, so what? And that ending. Now we went just the endings. This is up there with number eight. She brings her dad back to just wrap the chain around him, and Jason's dead again.

SPEAKER_01 40:18

Well, apparently there was more um to it than just like yeah, just taking it.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

I guess it was when he was a little deteriorated or whatnot. Yeah. Like that they just dad looked like he was in there for an hour, you know. Yeah. Like it's his fingers were pruning, and that's about it. It's just and that's how you beat Jason. You have because she did some cool stuff. She blew up the cabin, she set him on fire, she tried to stab him, electrocute him, all this cool stuff. And okay, you drowned him.

SPEAKER_01 40:47

Yeah. Okay, so funny, and I have a funny story with part seven. So it came out when I it was rated R, so I couldn't go to the theater to see it. But a friend of mine did, or so I thought. So he he got into the theater and he saw it. Next uh Monday we're at school, he's explaining to me the plot. He's like, Yeah, yeah, I saw the new Friday 13th. I'm like, Yeah, okay, whatever. And he's like, Yeah, no, it's it's the this girl has these magic powers. And uh, in the beginning of the movie, she kills her father, and then like through the whole film, like you know, she's really struggling with her like you know, powers, and her doctor is like sabotaging her. And then uh at the end of the movie, um, her father grabs Jason and pulls him into the water. I'm like, this guy's full of shit. There's no way he saw this movie, there is no way, and I I I'll never it's it's in my head. Like I the guy his name is Mike. I he told me this movie, and like then a month later it's on video, and I'm watching, I'm like, son of a bitch actually saw the film. First of all, how did he get in? I was pissed, but what are you kidding me? So it you know what part seven is just got this like vibe where it just kind of seems like yeah, like it just it's missing its heart, like you know, it that's what I'm saying. I feel so what?

SPEAKER_00 42:08

Yeah, again, like I was like, okay, and like the I didn't the story didn't progress or nothing.

SPEAKER_01 42:14

No, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:15

Like again, the the best thing I get at my notes say, but so what?

SPEAKER_01 42:18

Yeah, it felt like a cold installment, like it just like I mean, obviously the woods looked cold, they were up there. It was like it was not a summery film. I don't mean temperature-wise, but it felt like a cold kind of like the characters were cold. The the environment just seemed cold, the the score was kind of cool. It just it kind of lacked a lot of heart, and I know that sounds funny. Friday fans will understand that, but like you know, it just kind of lacked a little bit of that heart, and it it's like a through line kind of got pulled out. You know, it's it's really unfortunate how this one got mutilated by you know, pun intended, by the ratings board. But uh so we you know, we can never really judge it based on you know what we could have seen. We can only watch what we see and and judge that. Kane Hodder, uh, you know, he came on and he was amazing. I thought he really played this role really cool in the makeup by B. Claire and uh and his team was outstanding. Funny, when the mask first rips off, I thought, what the hell is his face? He looks like a zombie, but then you know, you see every single bit of damage that he's accumulated throughout the films, all represented on it. Yeah, brilliant masterpiece, you know, the spine like to this day, part seven rests its, you know, its reputation on the makeup of Jason and the look of Jason. And that is part in parcel with you know Kane Hodder's portrayal. So definitely a highlight in Jason's look. Um, but meh for you know, for the most part. And I have part seven. At seven on my list. So yeah, we uh let's look at the water.

SPEAKER_00 44:04

It's pretty close so far.

SPEAKER_01 44:06

Yeah, yeah. We haven't really kind of veered off. There's no point where I'm like, what? You're crazy, man.

SPEAKER_00 44:12

And I'm sure we'll have a future episode about it because we discuss off top uh offline about how unfortunately Kane Hotter is in more of the misaligned front. And it's so it's it hurts. It's painful for yeah. It's a little exactly, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:29

Yeah, and and seven was his best shot. Who would have thought, right? Like, you know, yeah. I mean, he's beloved, yeah. And we will talk about it, and uh maybe we'll have him on the show. But seven, eight, nine, and ten. Um, you know, they've already been ranked on our on our list. So, you know, it's uh it's yeah. Uh part seven's tomato meter is 31%. Actually, kind of high. Sad, but high. And uh popcorn meter is 37%. So, you know, again, these aren't like great scores. They're like, you know, if I got that in high school, I'd have been happy. But I know like, you know, some of the people in my class probably would have considered it a fail. Um, yeah, I'm kind of surprised. Part seven's got a little bit of love there. All right. So we will we've made it through half, uh, we're halfway there. All right. So again, we we told you that this episode was going to be a little bit long, and uh, and you know, we're we're just uh we're just passionate. So we're talking about the films. We're moving on to Friday the 13th, part six. Jason lives, and I will hook you up with the information once again. Thanks to Slick Slamopovich of Cabin number six. Nothing this evil ever dies. I didn't know that. Did you know that?

SPEAKER_00 45:50

No, I did not. I was just like, that's a cool one. I didn't know. I don't know. I don't if I did, I didn't remember it.

SPEAKER_01 45:55

Yeah, same, same. I I I honestly I don't think I ever, anyways. Uh August 3rd, 1986, a budget of 3 million, a gross of 19.4 million, opening weekend 6.7 million, and uh worldwide gross of 19.4. Part six. The floor is yours, my friend.

SPEAKER_00 46:17

Jason lives in my heart, the number one with a golden platinum machete, one of my favorite horror movies of all time, easily number one. Love it, love it, love it. You get Tommy Jarvis played by Tom Matthews, who's in my favorite movie of all time, Return on the Living Dead. The group of characters is a blast. They're fun, they're edgy, they all got little personalities. You got kids at the camp. Finally, six movies. Kids at the camp.

SPEAKER_02 46:50

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 46:52

Alice Cooper, the man behind the a heavy metal song written for the movie by the Prince of Darkness, Alice Cooper. Incredible. I love the at the end. You got Tommy in the canoe with the chain, egg and Jason out. Jason, come on, you pussy! Come on. Jason stops, like, oh, you're gonna call me that. We're gonna go fight. Surrounded by fire, he's got triggers, hanging rocks. It's just the RV flip is awesome. Kids, like I said, kids at the camp, the group of characters, just I love the dad because he's like a protective dad, the sheriff, and he gets bit in half at the end to save his daughter. We mentioned before about Seven had no heart. This movie for me has got so much heart. That's why it's number one. And even the little nods I like when Tommy's talking on the phone, he's oh, I'm at Karloff's. All these little nods, the universal and past horror movies. I mean, I get goosebumps thinking about it. Number one, easily.

SPEAKER_01 47:54

All right, all right. Look, this one this is a step up from everything we've discussed so far. Definitely. But this, you know what I loved about this film? Like, I'm looking at this movie, and okay, look, I'm looking at a three million dollar budget, and part seven was $2.8 million, part eight was five million dollars, and part nine was three million dollars. The scale, the the the just the look of this film looked like it was back in the day, like a $20 million budget. Like it Tom McLaughlin did such a fantastic job, not just with story and uh but just with the actual look of this film. Like, you know, for the longest time, it's like, well, they don't have kids, budget, blah, blah, blah. And you know, nope, they're in there, they're fine, everything kind of fits in. The money went to the right places in this film. That's what this is. I don't I don't have the production managers, like, you know, layout itinerary or anything like that, or how this was produced, but I could tell you that this was money spent in the right places because this well, even from all the movies before, which were great films, this was a step up in production value. And uh, and the cast was great. You know, you believed that they were friends, you believed that this was like off the charts. And you know, Megan and Tommy were like unbelievable. So Jennifer Cook is my favorite final girl. I know that's gonna come up, and uh, and I absolutely loved her. I thought, you know, she like if you watch her, like she her, she's like uh she's like the male role, if you know, like she's like the pursuer, she's the aggressor, she's like, you know, um I like I love that. I thought that was really, really cool and different, right? Like, you know, because you had the dynamic switch of like, you know, not having a girl, but having Tommy Jarvis, which, you know, was this was Tommy in his at his peak, and you know, you wanted more of it, unfortunately. You didn't get it. Just yeah, cask, you know, the chemistry. And then yeah, you throw in Alice Cooper. It just, I don't want to like regurgitate everything you've said, but uh it's just and it's fun. And it just it did every it hit the tones, you know, the the death of Jason. How cinematic was that? Like the ring of fire in the lake where he like, you know, that was just bringing it home properly, and and everything was so well done. And this is this is again, this is when a film goes now. I I know he kind of wasn't like you know, all over like the history of Friday 13th. He kind of wanted to make it a little bit campy and a little bit tongue-in-cheek and stuff like that, but he did it in a way where it worked. This is where it works, and not when you go overboard and you try to kill it. This is this is good filmmaking, and uh and and you don't say that a lot with Friday the 13th.

SPEAKER_00 50:49

Sometimes what I liked about the script, it was really sharp. Like I said, it was they had those nods to Universal Monsters. This is almost has a Frankenstein feel to it. Tommy inadvertently created Jason by resurrecting him, so now he's got it, so it almost has like a Frankenstein feel to it. I mean, he gets out, it starts raining, he's got that, and again, the continuity is great. He's got those gloves on the whole movie that Tommy brought to the graveyard. You know, he uses that uh that spike to kill people. It was just very clever writing, knowing the continuity and taking it and moving it forward. It's I loved it.

SPEAKER_01 51:29

All right, so I and I will say this that a couple of things that I didn't love about this film. I didn't like the 007 intro. It's fun, it's fun. I'm not gonna be grandpa, cranky grandpa here. Um, I didn't love the look of Jason in this. I thought he looked a little too clean. I didn't like the utility belt and the gloves. I thought gloves are fine, but I think I'm black or something like you know. I I thought that that was a little bit, yeah. I just I I just I don't know. What about you? Well, did you like that look?

SPEAKER_00 52:00

CJ I liked CJ Graham because he's tall and like he was fast. Yeah. And so I mean, it it's hard to choose between him and Kane Hotter because of my love for all the different movies. Yeah, I mean, he's the biggest kills. One thing I liked about his look is they keep the bullet holes and the paint marks in the continuing other films. Yeah, that's what I kind of liked about it. I kind of dig the belt because it's just like, oh, I mean, yeah, that's a follow-up Jay's. He's like, Oh, I could pick this up because it shows that he is a little smart, you know. He's like, Oh, I can carry something to kill somebody with over here. So why you put the gloves on is a little like okay, I'm not why'd you put the gloves on? You don't need to worry about being shocked or nothing. So it was cool. There's a campiness where I think it worked, it had a little tongue-in-cheek campiness, like you said. Yeah, it was a perfect combination where it worked really well. Like these were that's kind of silly, yeah. Okay, and I was okay with it.

SPEAKER_01 52:56

Worth noting, this was the uh the start of what became known as zombie Jason. All right, so let's look at the rotten tomatoes for this one, and this one. Uh forgive me right now. Okay, this was probably the second highest uh ranked, and it was 56 on the tomato meter, 56%, and on the popcorn meter 54, which I I'm surprised because I I do know a lot of people really, really love this film. A lot of people, but you know. All right, where'd you have it? Jeez, thank you very much. I have this one at four. So a big, a big disagreement here in the sense that we both have it really high, but this is your number one, and it's four on my list. So yeah, first. All right, so we're a little bit of uh a little bit for the rest will be a little interesting.

SPEAKER_00 53:52

See, we saved the best for last. It's gonna be a little interesting.

SPEAKER_01 53:55

All right, so that's it for part one of this episode, and join us for part two of the Friday the 13th rankings.