RANKING All Friday the 13th films Crazy Ralph Podcast - EP 1 part 2

Uncle Pete and Jason continue to rank their Friday the 13th films. This episode features films 5-1.

Episode 1 part 2 
Hosts, Jason and Uncle Pete take turns ranking their favorite Friday films. Discussing the good, bad and the bloody. 

Who's list do you agree with more? 
What is your list? Share and debate.

0:06 A New Beginning
5:50 The Final Chapter
14:51 Friday the 13th 3
20:50 Friday the 13th 2
25:58 Friday the 13th
35:06 Next Episode

Podcast Link - https://youtu.be/bDs4DEEDyuk

Uncle Pete's List
1. Friday the 13th 6 Jason Lives 
2. Friday the 13th 4 Final Chapter
3. Friday the 13th
4. Friday the 13th part 2
5. Friday the 13th part 3
6. Friday the 13th part 5 New Beginning
7. Jason X
8. Friday the 13th Remake
9. Friday the 13th 7 New Blood
10. Freddy vs Jason
11. Friday the 13th 8 Jason Takes Manhattan
12. Jason Goes to Hell

Jason's List
Uncle Pete's List
1. Friday the 13th      
2. Friday the 13th part 3
3. Friday the 13th part 2
4. Friday the 13th 6 Jason Lives 
5.   Friday the 13th 4 Final Chapter
6. Friday the 13th part 5 New Beginning
7. Friday the 13th 7 New Blood
8. Friday the 13th Remake
9. Jason X
10. Freddy vs Jason
11. Friday the 13th 8 Jason Takes Manhattan
12. Jason Goes to Hell

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:04

We move on now to Friday the 13th, part five. A new beginning. Another Friday the 13th that is very, very polarizing.

SPEAKER_00 0:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 0:16

Yes. So the tagline for this one: if Jason still haunts you, you're not alone. Uh, box office and release date information. Okay, so released on March 24th, 1985, a budget of 2.2 million, uh, a gross of 21 million, 20 almost 22 million, um, and an opening weekend of 8 million. Uh worldwide, same thing, 21.9 million. I just want to say that this outgrossed Jason lives, and I think the the reactions nowadays would be completely I think maybe because they wanted to go see how he comes back to life since he pretty much dies for sure at the end of another one. Yeah, yeah. And part five did a lot of damage to what part six was trying to correct, and times were changing. And uh, anyways, part five, go for it.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

Okay. I think this film is a little underrated. I have it number six, right in the middle. Some of the good parts, some great kills, very inventive. They really hit the mark with the kills here. I love Tina's kill with the hedge clippers when you know she just got done making friends with um Eddie, and he comes with the hedge clippers in her eye, and he goes snap. Like you, it's like almost like a point of view, and then you see it as snap. I was like, Yeah, that's good. And then Eddie's kill, the leather strap around his eyes. Now I know people pick out the movie mistake, he's turning the clockwise, then he's turning it counterclockwise. So, yeah, that's just a movie mistake, but that's a horrible way to die. We've discussed this in the past with horror movies. You know, I either put myself in the position of the killer or the victim. Like, how hard, how much would it suck to be killed that way? And just like with the hedge clippers in the eyes and the snap, because you're not dead yet, and then just and then the leather strap just squeezing your head. The kills are great in it. I think this film has heart. I like the raw emotion to the kill. Something felt different watching this film for the first time. You weren't sure if it was Jason or not, and I remember thinking, I was like, these kills feel a little bit more raw, there's more emotion. It's not just okay, me kill people having sex. It was like, no, there was like more anger, and then after that, when you find out that it was Roy at the end, it kind of makes sense, you know, with that. So I think there's a lot of rawness into it. Other than that, a lot of the characters are forgettable. I mean, Reggie is cool, and of course, Demon, ooh, baby, ooh, baby. He's great, but um, yeah, it just the rest Violet was kind of cool, the little robot chick, but I don't remember any other characters, you know. But I I admire what this film tried to do. Yeah, and I gotta give it credit for having a lot of heart for a Friday film.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

That's it. Heart for Friday the 15th part five. That's kind of a hot take, I would say, because a lot of people kind of look at this one as like the smuddy one, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:14

Like, um well, it was like think it was a porn director who directed it. He had done a lot of doll for him, so so they weren't wrong.

SPEAKER_02 3:21

Listen, yeah, though, I look, I mean, this this had the this had lots of kills, lots of bloody kills, lots of nudity. You know, it was like a teenager's fantasy growing up, like as far as like this is it. Like you I I remember I I had a friend who loved part five the most, and that was those were the reasons, right? Didn't care about Jason, he didn't care about like Friday the 13th, but entertainment value, it sure had it. You know, I I I I really like part five. Again, when I was younger, I didn't, but you know, I I really love it. It still has like, you know, the the score that's mimics the early ones and the feel and the look, the last of it for the most part, because part six really changed the direction. I thought part five was one thing that really bothers me about part five was the whole climax is happening, and you know, Pam and Reggie are like, you know, they're almost, you know, out of options, and Jason's about to corner them. And there's that point where they're like, you know, Tommy, he like Reggie spots Tommy at the barn, and Tommy's standing there, and he's like, he's ready to go. And you're like, okay, let's let's let's see this. Let's let's let's have at it, let's go. And basically Tommy just stands there until Jason swats at him. And that's it. Tommy did nothing in that final. He really was. You could take Tommy out of it and and it, but that but that what that was a missed moment. That was like, okay, Tommy's there. Let's let's see what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

Like, you know, blow up early in the film when he body slams that guy for sure. Like, Tommy's on edge, like, yeah, he's ready.

SPEAKER_02 5:00

Yeah, you're like, this is kung fu Tommy. Like he's he's like he came to fight and and he literally lets Jason walk right up to him, and Jason botches the kill because he had him right there. But anyways, a little bit disappointed on that ending, but I'm going to give part five, it's number six on my list. So also agree. Yeah, it's uh it's the halfway point, and we are into the final quarter of films. Friday the 13th. Oh, Friday the 13th, part five, Rotten Tomatoes. Um, I assume it's towards the bottom. Not so much. Okay, so Friday the 13th, part five is a tomato meter of 15% and a popcorn meter of 26%. We move on to Friday the 13th, the final chapter. And let's see, here we go. Tags for this one. Wow, there's quite a few. Uh this is the one you've been screaming for. Uh Jason is back. And this is the one you've been screaming for. Sorry, I thought I was reading that uh for the second time. And uh three times before I f I feel like this is made up, uh three times before you have felt the terror, known the madness, lived the horror, but this is the one you've been screaming for. So basically they started with that and then chopped it into a few pieces. I'd never heard any of these. I don't know. I'm you? No?

SPEAKER_00 6:34

I think the one you've been screaming for, I may have seen.

SPEAKER_02 6:37

Okay. All right. But all that other is just um okay, released April 15th, 1984, budget of 2.6 million dollars, gross of 32.9 million dollars, a big one. Um uh opening weekend of 11.1 million and a worldwide gross of 33 million dollars. These numbers are I I hate reading these numbers sometimes because nowadays that means nothing. 32 million dollars on a on a box office does not really.

SPEAKER_00 7:06

Is that somebody's actor's bill? Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 7:10

Exactly. So, like, you know, I don't have the uh adjusted for inflation. Maybe we could do an episode where we talk about that, but that's uh believe me, back in the day, that was huge numbers for Friday 13 parties.

SPEAKER_00 7:21

Especially in the 80s, like 84? Shoot. For sure. How about it? All right, um, probably not too much of a surprise. I've got this number two. It's a really great movie. I think a lot of people would go back and forth between number six and number four as their top two. They're widely very popular film because they're great. You get the intro of uh Tommy Jarvis. Again, I love the characters. I love this group of characters. They're on their way up there just for a time partying in the cabin. You know, you got Crispin Glover, you know, good old George McFly from you know back to the future. He's like, I'm a dead fuck. So it's just it's a fun group of characters, good banter, great chemistry between um, you know, the introduction of Tommy Jarvis. I like that the little family next door, you know, mom, daughter, you know, we get Corey Feldman. Lord knows what he would turn into, but uh, we could do a whole episode on him.

SPEAKER_02 8:12

Let's get him for an interview.

SPEAKER_00 8:14

Yeah, that would dude, that'd be choice. I ain't gonna lie. But yeah, it's it's a great film. Jason, you know, is just vicious. Ted is great, Ted White, I think, is uh who played him in this one. He's just he's evil and angry, and he's like, Yep, I didn't like Corey Felber. I hated that little shit. You could see it. Like when he's chasing him. For young actor, kid looked terrified. I thought he did great. And that ending sequence is just visceral. I mean, it's a little cook goofy. Okay, let me stop this guy trying to kill my sister while she's being chased around the house. Okay, let me go shave my head. Like, okay, I see. Yeah, I I it's like, oh, I recognize myself. Yeah. It's got so much else going for it. You know, the cast of characters, the kills in it. I love the twins. They're just gorgeous. Do the entire film, very smart script, funny in the right moments, scary in the right moments, and that ending with the head slot, it's still to this day. You know, if you're doing a class on special effects, yep, watch this. And just the way you see the head sliding down a machete. Oh, he's really dead. And that I gotta give Coryfilm the credit, that anger hacking him to death, and then you know, this is like Tommy, Tommy trying to get him to stop. It's got a lot of emotion, and there's a lot of a run as at the end of this film, is why I enjoy it so much. So it's one of the final, I mean, one of the you know, the best Friday films by far. So yeah, number two.

SPEAKER_02 9:45

All right, yeah, definitely. Uh, you know, we said at the beginning of this, like, you know, people have different number ones on their on the top of their Friday list. I think if you do a consensus, I think this one would probably be number one for most people. Great film. Love the kills in this film. Tom Sabini, you know, came back and uh and just I mean, they're just so fun to watch.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

You know, hey Ted, where's the corkscrew?

SPEAKER_02 10:11

And then like, you know, it just everything just was so intense and and then the funny parts were funny, the characters were good. Just so much work to Friday 13 part four. The setting was really cool. It was dark, but it was not like you know, cold, like in part seven, you know. Um, and a wicked, you know, kill for Jason at the end, which is uh what you wanted, but uh an amazing chasing. When he's chasing Trish and she's like, you know, you could tell she's freaked out in real life screaming, like you know, and it was just like, and I just want to give props to Ted White, who is uh Love King Hotter, but you know, Ted White is my favorite Jason actor. I I thought, like, you know, he just he nailed the aggression, and like, you know, you couldn't see through the mask, but you just you knew he was pissed, you know. In some of the other films, he just kind of looks like he's just I'm gonna kill you, I'll get you. Don't worry. This one looked like I am going to kill you. And it showed, and I love that. And it was just like he was messy from part three, the blood, just so much going through.

SPEAKER_00 11:20

Yeah, that ang is a good point. I look at it, I'd be like, Yeah, he's like, Mother, what you you know, good.

SPEAKER_02 11:26

Yeah, right. Like, you know, like he he he he does the he does the staged, like, you know, Crispin Glover, like, you know, on the door, like he nails him to the door, he's like, Oh, this is gonna this is gonna scare the guy or the girl, and it did. And then when he has to go through, he's like, get the f out of my way. He just rips it down, like you know, it's just it's unbelievable. Ted White, like, you know, God rest his soul, killed uh in Friday 3rd part four. That's a tagline. Um loved it. Uh but number five on my list. Okay. So this is you know, this is this is this is where it gets juicy.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:05

Yeah, great film, but I do have it five because I do like some other films a little bit more.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

And see, that's the thing because sometimes like in other lists, like five, you'd think five or six would be low. I'm like, no, when I have so much passion and love for the others, you gotta rank a movie that I would put on right now and watch it no issue, straight through, and be happy as can be, could be my number six movie.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

And I'll say this we've we've ripped on a lot of Friday the 13th films, um, and rightfully so, but I will say this. My opinion, parts one through six are solid as you can get in a horror franchise. And you might say, okay, five is a little bit, you know, weak, or some people will rag on three, some people might not like one because Jason's not in it. But overall, for me, if you even take parts one through four, this is like solid as like four films can possibly get. And then, okay, again, a little bit of a dip with five, and then you bring six in there. Why I love Friday 30 the series is because like, yes, it has some lows. I don't watch those, but the highs, I'm like all in. And so, you know, there's definitely a dividing line where, yeah, okay, part four is five, but I love five. You know, I love that fifth film, like, you know, the fifth film on my list. There's nothing.

SPEAKER_00 13:21

So look at it this way. So you get all the horror franchises that have six or more films, and you take the first six of every horror franchise out there, Friday the 13th is gonna be near the top of that list.

SPEAKER_01 13:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:34

As far as continuity and quality, it beats Halloween for sure. I don't know about Chucky because Chucky's my Chucky's my junior play. Okay, listen, everybody's got so what definitely at the top of anybody's list. If you take the first six films of any horror franchise, if you're being unbiased, Friday the 13th's gotta be at the top.

SPEAKER_02 13:52

Yeah, if you're being unbiased, and like again, you know, obviously I'm a Friday fan, but I will at times, you know, admit, like I'm not like gonna say this franchise does no wrong. Oh, I'm not a Halloween fan. Halloween fans can be a little bit like that, where like, you know, they'll defend every film like it's like you know, it's well look at the sixth nightmare um Nightmare Announcer film, Freddy's Dead is the worst piece of trash ever made.

SPEAKER_00 14:15

I don't feel that you can't say that about the first six films on Friday.

SPEAKER_02 14:19

No, no, absolutely not. But uh and we'll get into comparisons. Maybe that'll be a fun, fun episode down the road too. We'll get into the comparisons. But uh all right, so Friday 30 part six on the tomato meter. Well, no, six, no, part four, sorry. Final chapter was twenty-five percent on the tomato meter and popcorn meter, fifty-two percent. So uh a pretty high tomato meter uh for you know, again, grading on a curve here. So we are down to the final three Friday the 13th, part three. Did I give my I did give my ranking? Friday 13th, part three, three D, a new dimension in terror, released April 15th, uh 1982, budget 2.3 million, a gross of 36.6 million, and uh weekend box office of 9.4 million, and same thing for the worldwide 37 million basically, which was very high. Friday 3 did very, very well, very, very polarizing film. Let's see what Uncle Pete has to say.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

I've got the new dimension at number five, and I do like that tagline thing about so I have a number five, but then again, I'm not a fan of the 3D aspects in it because now when you I think 3D is a little overrated because it's not really like coming and hitting, it's it's like okay, yeah, it's a little forward. And back then, those are the red and blue tinted, you know, three 3D glasses. But that aside, I mean, he gets his mask and he gets his look. I like how he's like, Oh, I gotta get new clothes. So, from the end of number two, so he you see the trousers and the green shirt hanging on the rack that he pulls down and he gets his mask from one of my most hated characters in Hara Shelley. Um, that's why one of the things I don't like about this film. But it, I mean, Great Kills to me, my notes, I put Great 80s slasher. I like to think about okay, what's it like, what'd it be like seeing this film in 1982? I was five years old back then, so I wouldn't have known. But going to the theater to see, you know, a slasher like this in the early 80s where you ain't seen it all yet. You know, a lot of this stuff where these kills are really inventive. So I was like, back then it was probably pretty killer. Love the soundtrack. You get that classic soundtrack, the with the disco theme, kind of, or like no synth, a little bit of a synth theme to it, it's really fantastic. So yeah, I'm not the greatest film of the bunch. I just like the other ones a little bit more, and again, these are not easy to rank because tomorrow I may choose a new beginning over Friday 13th, part three, but I got a number five right now because I think it's a great if you want to talk about that first trilogy, it's pretty solid in itself. The continuity is great, you know, the way it all works in together. 3D is a little hokey, but I can look past that. So yeah, pretty solid number five.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

Yeah, I'm the same way. Like I could look past the the 3D. Like, you know, I I can have it. Here's a yo-yo roo. Yeah, yeah, it just is what it is, right? But I love the cast of this film. I think this is the best looking cast. Um, they uh I I the girls in this film, I love. I just I love the setting, even though it wasn't a camp. Like, it's funny because it was a departure from like being on campgrounds. But and as a kid, I I usually would have like you know, really pissed about that. Um, I wasn't with this. I I thought I loved the farm, I loved like that whole vibe. It felt like you know, me and my friends going, yeah, going away, like you know, it like you know, they're juggling by the fireplace and just like kind of chilling out and stuff. They had that realism of like, you know, for someone like myself who goes to cottages and you know hangs out with friends and stuff. So I I like the feel that part three had the small town, the you know, the grocery stores, this year, rubber. You know, it had some like kind of like funny little things in it. Um throwing in a biker gang was kind of random, but uh I don't know, like I it kind of worked. Um, I definitely, you know, this is the iconic, you know, look that came together. And while uh Ted White was my favorite Jason actor, I love the look of Jason in part three the most. Um just something about it. I love the face. It was just it was mutilated, but not so mutilated that, you know, it was with the off-putting. So I really love that. And this is the film that actually got me into Friday the 13th. Not that I was the first one I watched, but when I was younger, I was fascinated with horror films, but I never really watched them. I remember flipping the back of the the Friday the 13th box, and it always had that picture of him reaching in through the car and trying to grab Chris through the through the and it just his bald head and the mask, it just it did something for me, man. I was just like, what is behind that mask? What is what is he doing? Like, what is this guy all about? So Friday 13th part three is very sentimental for me, and for that reason, it is number two on my list.

SPEAKER_00 19:24

Some apart, like I remember from a kid when the the biker chick is swinging on, just having a time of life, swinging back and forth, and then without a sound, she's gone. And if you I try and listen, I was like, and without a sound, she's gone. And then you just see the rope go because your mind fills in the blanks, yeah, and that's such a beautifully shot scene. Yeah, where you your mind fills in the blanks on what happened, and that's how you get that terror, yeah, that fear, and that's what I love about that movie.

SPEAKER_02 19:57

Yeah, great, great stop, and a great kill. Jason acts to the head. Like, I mean, that was beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 20:05

And that slash is in like every other.

SPEAKER_02 20:08

Yeah, that's the one continuity thing. I mean, it's funny about we'll talk about this, but like all the things that you know, Friday 13th, like the gets the continuity wrong, they get the whole designs right all the time, and then that axe. It's like it's pretty, pretty remarkable when they come when you think about it. Okay, tomato meter 14% got destroyed. Probably the lowest, and popcorn meter of 42%. Come on, fans, get on there and low. Yeah, that's very low. And I think a lot, but I do know a lot of people that definitely think this one's a little bit out there. And could it be the you know, the fact that it's uh the 3D stuff, but I don't know. Moving on to part two. All right, the body count continues released May 3rd, 1981, a budget of $1.25 million, US and Canadian gross of $1.7 million. Um, same thing for the worldwide gross, and an opening weekend of $6.4 million.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

Part two, Uncle Pete number four, and I I love this film. It's it's a high number four. And I think when we did horror face off, I said this for number two when I went on my little rant. I was like, getting drunk can save your life because Ted stays at the bar and does not get killed. I just love that about the film. Ted stays at the bar, doesn't get killed. Ginny close to my favorite final girl. Ginny is just beautiful, she's strong. She plants seeds in the beginning of the film with her psychology, how she uses it to feed Jason at the end. So well written. Some of my favorite kills went up Jeff and Sandra or mid sex, and she's looking up, like trying to get him to like, hey, this, but she's just moaning, so he's like. Probably thinking, like, yeah, man, I'm doing good. And then Jason kills him. Is there a better way to die? If I had to choose, I would go out that way. And um, one of my favorite kills from the franchise is Mark's in the wheelchair. Yeah. Because he's just standing there. You see the back of his head and in. Yeah. And then you see him go down. The stop man didn't that wasn't a dumb thing. It was just, yeah, exactly. Mean. It's just one of my favorite kills in the franchise. And like, yeah, Jason is just mean in this one.

SPEAKER_02 22:33

Like, I like how it just goes to it, it fades to white, right? Like, it's just it's a total and it's freeze frames, like, you know, it's just unsettling it every way. Like, it's just so cool.

SPEAKER_00 22:43

Such a and like again, Sack Jason is underrated. I think it's it's got that talent of dreaded sundown feel to it. Another film that I love. So I love Sack Jason. They should have done that. I would they kept that for the remake. I wouldn't been happy. Or in number eight, if he put the sack on, it would have been a better movie. But um, yeah, two has got so much go going great for it. I mean, it was introduction of Jason. It's our you know, we finally get to see Jason getting revenge for the death of his mom that he's gonna go kill her months later. Put the head in the fridge. Again, the continuity is really solid. Though this half of the franchise, continuity is really solid. You see me glowing over it, but it's a high number four. I love part two.

SPEAKER_02 23:25

Nice, nice. All right, um, I love part two as well. Um, I thought it continued beautifully from part one. I thought, like, you know, offing survivor of the first one, like, you know, it was a shock. It was like, you know, whoa, okay, that that had that happened. Okay, where are we going now? Like, you know, what's what's happening? And then I thought the camp that they used for this would be was just the it looked like a great summer camp. They they really explore, okay, you we don't have kids, but this is the setup. We're like setting up a camp, right? So you know, there's barbecuing, there's going to the bar, there's it it just really created a great world. And like, you know, and I I I thought that was amazing. Like, you know, it had characters in there that, you know, they yeah, they disappeared after. They just, you know, they they went to the bar or they, you know, they didn't get killed. Like, you know, it was just it was a little bit, it was realistic, like, you know, and um great final girl, a little bit of you know, um, you know, uh uncertainty. Like, does Paul live? Does Paul die? Was there like dream? Was that like you know, the dog? Like there's a few questions in there. You know, I I thought, you know, the sock was great. I I like how Jason was like grown, but not like you know what he grows up to be. So it's kind of like an escalation of like, you know, uh Jason's sizes, and uh yeah, and part two ranks number three on my list.

SPEAKER_00 24:48

And I'll do tag on do you said there's a believability to this Jason. He's not seven feet tall and 300 pounds, rocks out, and he's clumsy, he's clumsy, right?

SPEAKER_02 25:01

He'll fall off a chair, he'll like, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:04

Like this Jason is, and to me, like the more real, the more believable a horror movie is, the more scared you get. Yeah, like I'm not some dream demon is not gonna come kill me in my dreams, but this guy with the sack over his head who's deformed can easily come kill me in the middle of the night. So it's got a believability to it with this Jason.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

100%. Tomato meter of 36% and a popcorn meter of 49%. That brings us to the last film that we are going to be talking about today. And uh before we move on, I do want to say again, just for those of you who might be interested, Slicks Lomopovich of Cabin 6, his favorite Friday 13th was Friday the 13th, part three. Oh yeah, I know. Slicks a wild card. Um, anyways, Friday the 13th, part one. They were warned they're doomed, and on Friday the 13th, nothing will save them. Nothing, not even an ascot. That was not in the tagline, but that's uh Mr. Christie. Okay, box office and release information released May 11th, 1980, a budget of $550,000. I've heard different things about that budget, up to a million and stuff like that. But, anyways, um the gross in US and Canada was 39.7 million, same worldwide, and opening weekend was five million. Again, almost six billion. These numbers are not representative of the impact that it made on the box office. This was, I think, number one until Empire Strikes Back took it over. Jeez, yeah. So just to give you a little bit of perspective of what Friday the 13th did in that year, and uh and then it it birthed the series, it birthed a slasher genre that's uh like no other film before it. Beep, you're I love this film.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

I have ranked number three. That's a high three. Uh a few years ago, I had a benefit. My local theater was showing this. I was like, oh, I'd never I was three years old when that came out. I was blown away by the sound design, hearing the rain in the background, just at home, a home theater, you don't really get it, but in a theater, putting myself back in 1980, I was I felt like I had that fear, uh, which is weird. I'm in my 40s, and I had this fear of being in a theater watch it because just the sound design, the way it would just the score is just so beautiful. Tom Savini. Nuff said I mean Tom Savini kills Nuff said great mystery, not knowing who the killer is. In Halloween, you see the killer, all these other uh Texas chainsaw mascot, you see the killer. We have no clue who is doing the killing, male, female, whatever, until like the last 10 minutes. I love that mystery. That's got a great giallo feel to it. I love Giallo films, it has a great giallo feel to it, not knowing who the killer is. Like, you really don't even see like hands or nothing until like who's doing these killings. You just see these people's reactions compliment to the actors, like you don't you don't know what they're looking at, they just know fear, and like they were looking at Pamela terrified this entire time. So it just it all ties in. It's it's a great film. I I love uh the only thing like do you gotta nitpick anything? Pamela's a little bit overpowered, and like at the end, when the body gets thrown through the window, sorry, Pamela Vorhees, who probably weighed like a buck 10, didn't throw that body through the window, but you gotta suspend disbelief. But then you can add into your own like, hey, were there two killers? Was Jason, you know, again, it lets your mind it let your mind go, which is uh great about it. Yeah, I mean it started all they made this movie to jump on the train from John Carpenter's Halloween. Yeah, what a way to follow up Halloween with who would have thought this movie would last hopefully 13 movies later. It's it says a lot, it really is well done. Just like I said, the whole mystery of it, it's just a beautiful movie.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

Yeah. I'm not I'll tell I'll say that this is my number one on my list, and I'm going to go into why. Obviously, uh great setting, love the camp. It it looks like a real real woodsy camp and uh something that, yeah, the sound design, like you know, the loons and the you know, and obviously the everything was just like which you know everybody knows that sound from Friday the 13th, but I don't think it gets the credit it actually deserves. It's like pretty unique. And whether you like it or not, like I mean it's pretty, you know, iconic in in itself. Um I'm I'm fumbling pens here because I'm so excited. I love the suspense aspect of it and and how you didn't know. I hate when people say I don't like it because Jason's not the killer. I'm like that to me, it's like saying, like, you know, movie no good too long. You know, like it's like I don't I don't hate that if you ever say that to me. I get it if you don't, if you want to see Jason, but if that's the one reason why you don't like the film, like come on. Um I you know what one thing that really bothers me is you know they a lot of people say it's a rip-off of Halloween. And even Victor Miller, who who wrote this, says it's a direct ripoff of Halloween. Yeah, and I think he's wrong. Like, and I'm literally gonna call him wrong because while it took, like I think you said it kind of took it jumped on the train that Halloween left the station with here, like Halloween, like mysterious, like so you had no idea who the killer was. Like you said, Michael Myers was established right off the hop. Um, a shock ending, like again, because it was the reveal, right? You knew uh all along in Halloween what the deal was. Um it had a lot of popcorn kills. Halloween didn't have a lot of slasher kills and stuff like that. Friday 13th choke some girls. Yeah, like you know, and and and in the car, like you know, when he kills or when he kills Nancy, then yeah, like I mean, you hardly see what happens, right? Like, I mean, so that didn't there was a seclusion element to Friday the 13th. There was like I just I don't know, like I mean, for me to consider that a ripoff, I I think that it really undermines Friday 13th. I don't think so at all. And I know Victor Miller has said it. I think he's he's wrong. Now he may have gotten inspired by Friday, uh by Halloween. I get that for sure. But this is this was its own thing. And I will say this, if if you actually I'll save this for another episode. There's a tease there for you, but um I love Friday 13th part one the most because I think it's it's it's cold in the right way, it's um dark in the right way, and it's got charm. Um, I think, you know, uh maybe it could have fleshed out the leading lady a little bit better. Um, you know, I think if we're gonna give it a little bit more runtime, maybe that could have been the case. Uh but other than that, you know, it had uh it had me. And um and it took years for this one to become number one on my list.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

Yeah, it grew with me.

SPEAKER_02 32:27

Yeah, like you know, when I was a kid, obviously, I did say, hey, Jason has to be in it, right? I get it.

SPEAKER_00 32:34

Well, I've heard people say it's the worst one that they would rank it last. I was like, that's I've heard that too.

SPEAKER_02 32:38

Yeah, I've heard that too.

SPEAKER_00 32:40

That's much. Yeah, that's saying a lot. And one thing I like about it, it's got a red herring because it keeps you guessing, the whole mystery of it. Name of our podcast is the Crazy Ralph Podcast. You've got Crazy Ralph. So it's like, oh, it's got a death curse. Yeah. And that that alone is gonna give you goosebumps, you know.

SPEAKER_02 33:00

The lore is set up so beautifully. Um, like, you know, that truck driver just going over all these things. You're like, how can the water go bad? Like, what what the hell? Like, you know, what what's going on here? Like, so there's so much lore to Friday the 13th, like right off the hop, that I really believe that this is a misunderstood film. And if nothing else, if it's not misunderstood, it is underappreciated for how good it is. And I will die on that hill. Friday 13th, part one is my number one. And it's I will look up it, is it's tomato rankings.

SPEAKER_00 33:32

Not that it really matters, but our rankings were pretty similar, nothing too far like.

SPEAKER_02 33:40

No, now this one was the highest, I think. Uh tomato meter, 68%, and a popcorn meter of 60%. So the critics actually were a little bit closer to the fans in this one, but uh actually exceeded the fans. Um, there we go. There's an example, but at the at the same time, it still had a pretty consistently higher um actually not consistently, just a higher ranking for fans.

SPEAKER_00 34:03

And it's just crazy because Tom Savini didn't want to do part two because he's like the movie's done. He's like, the story's over. Yeah. Like, what do you do?

SPEAKER_02 34:11

And he did The Burning, right? Which was another camp film.

SPEAKER_00 34:14

Yeah, fantastic camp film.

SPEAKER_02 34:15

It is a good fun film. So there it is. That's the list. We will uh we will post the post the lists and so you can see them there. I will definitely write it uh in the in the body there. So tell us whose list you agree with more. I mean, this is like finite picking here because we we do agree very very closely on a lot. But uh more importantly, write your list. I I really am curious to know uh how yours ranks because again, unlike a lot of other franchises, this one can vary and it's uh if you think we're off the plot, if I'm off the plot or Jason's off the plot, what the how the heck let me know.

SPEAKER_00 34:53

I love this is what I love about discussion with horror because there's really no wrong answer. It's just like well, we all like different things. So if you love Jason Goes to Hell for whatever for your reasons, let us know. I'd love to read it. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 35:06

And on our next episode, we are gonna talk about one of the greatest things about Friday the 13th and the franchise, one of the most beloved things and what makes it so charming in many, many ways. The Friday the 13th locations. We're gonna break down the locations of several of the films. I don't know if we'll cover all of them. I don't think there's a need to uh cover them all, but maybe we'll uh we'll get in there on a few.

SPEAKER_00 35:32

We gotta talk about Vancouver.

SPEAKER_02 35:34

Yeah, yeah. So we'll uh we'll get into that again. You know, subscribe on uh YouTube and watch us on YouTube, listen to us wherever podcasts can be taken in.

SPEAKER_00 35:46

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SPEAKER_02 35:59

Absolutely. Um, and until the next episode, we will see you well on social media, hopefully. Yep. But uh thanks for joining us, and we'll talk soon. Take it easy.