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Friday the 13th LOCATIONS Crazy Ralph Podcast EP 2
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It’s one of the greatest features in the Friday series — the locations! On this episode, Uncle Pete and Jason discuss the locations they love and even some of the ones that fell flat. From the dark, lush woods of Part 1 to the dry dirt farm of Part 3 and many more, they cover it all.
Join them as they build their dream Crystal Lake. Each host selects a film lake, shelter, woods, and two add-ons. Who built the better camp in your opinion?
Also, what is your dream camp? Please share.
Finally, a fun feature we know you will love: “What If They Survived.” The hosts take four characters (two each) who were killed in a Friday the 13th film and create a life for them if they had survived. A fun segment you will love.
Who built the better Dream Camp Blood,
Uncle Pete or Jason?
0:05 Intro
4:26 Location Talk
54:13 Dream Camp Crystal Lake Construction
1:01:06 If they Survived
1:12:00 Next Show
Video Link - https://youtu.be/_KPP9hSOw4E
All right, welcome to the Crazy Ralph Podcast, episode number two. Today we are talking locations. I'm your host, Jason, and this is your friendly neighborhood, Uncle Pete. Alright. Just a little bit of a setup for this one. That uh, you know, one of the things about Friday the 13th, um, I think a big part of the reason why certain people really dr are drawn to this franchise and love this franchise is the setting of this franchise.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, you know, I always say if you have a cabin in the woods and you screw that up, then that's on you because that that setting lends itself perfectly to an amazing film. Whether it's comedies like Meatballs or if it's you know horror films like Fridays, um, you know, this is this is this setting for me is as good as it gets. Pete, what about you?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's just the setting is really important. Like before we started, I was talking about it. Like the camp is the real main character of the Friday the 13th franchise. Because if you say Camp Crystal Lake, you're automatically going to think of Jason Voorhees Friday the 13th. Someone may say Elm Street. They may not go to a nightmare on Elm Street, they may just think Elm Street where they grew up or something like that, or Haddonfield, they may not be familiar, but Crystal Lake is synonymous with Friday the 13th and Jason Voorhees. So getting that setting right, you want it to be believable. Yeah. Like not CGI, I mean nowadays, but like you don't want it to be on a set or a sound stage. You want to see the woods behind the lake and everything. So it's like it's really as important as who's playing Jason as is where you're shooting this film.
SPEAKER_02100%. That's an excellent point. Um, and I couldn't agree more. And again, you know, like every Friday 13th, with every certain criteria or subject matter, you know, uh different settings were selected for these movies and they register all differently. And some worked and some didn't. Um, you know, I I I well, I'll just explain kind of so what we'll do, we're gonna talk about the locations that we love. Um, you know, we'll probably touch on some things that didn't work, but we're not gonna really spend too much time on on that. We're gonna talk about the locations that we love after when we're all said and done. Uncle Pete with a brilliant idea. So, what we're going to do is we're going to build our our ideal, our dream camp crystal lake. And what that will entail is we will pick a lake from all the films, a shelter, um, one that they, you know, pres presided in for the most part, just to define shelter, what that means, um, in this case. Uh, woods, and uh and then we have two add-ons, and the add-ons could be anything. It could be it could be a car, a scene, or whatever, like you know, it it could be anything that we want. Um, so we're building our dream camp crystal lake using the 12 films, um, realistically, probably using about five of the films, but uh if that, but anyways, it's you never know. Um, so that that's gonna be really, really fun. We both we have no idea what each other are gonna say. We actually kind of just you know discovered what we're we're saying. Uh, we kind of put together our list uh just before the show. So this is gonna be a fun one. And the fun doesn't stop there. Once we're done talking about camps, we have a second um we have a second uh segment which is called If They Survived. And this is another fun one. We thought it'd be really, really funny. What if they survived? What if the characters that we love or don't love uh survived their experience at Camp Crystal Lake? What happens to them? And uh and we each have two characters. We'll talk about those characters a little bit later on, who we have, and uh and yeah, I think it's gonna be real fun to see what happens to some of those. Yeah, yeah, it'll be a lot of fun. So that's what we're all about here. We're about having fun celebrating Friday the 13th and um episode two. Let's go, locations. Yep. I'll let you lead off, Uncle Pete. You look like you're dying to talk.
SPEAKER_00So, like, I can mention like Crystal Lake, it's the main character of the film. Like, when someone hits me with Friday the 13th, what's the first image that goes in my mind? It's the first one that we saw at what that location is showing you. Alice in the canoe, it's crystal clear, crystal lake, it's nice, calm lake, and she's just sticking her finger in the water, like relaxing. Then you get that ending. It's one of the most important locations in Hara. You know, that crystal lake. It's got so much to it, you have to get it right. So I'm I'll start with the first film. That's that's the that's the lake. That's the lake I think about. Nice, crystal clear and everything in the canoe. Jason's underneath it. You don't know whether it's old Jason or little Jason, that's the you know, it's just important now. Number one, and another part number one, it's a it feels like a camp. We don't see kids, but we see camp activities like the archery range. It's the only time we see stuff like that. That archery range is just when it's pouring down rain, lights are on, you can't really see much, lights are in your eyes and stuff. It's that's a great scene.
SPEAKER_02Love, love the archery range, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so it's just location is so important to these films. Yeah. Because like any other horror films, it could be on the soundstage because a lot of these kills are outside. You go to like Saw or any name of any horror film, it could be on a soundstage. Yep, yeah. That is not gonna work with Friday the 13th, Halloween, sure. Name around street, yep. Yep, Texas Chainsaw Masker, even, can work on a soundstage. You can't put Friday in a sound stage.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. No, I love that. And I love how you brought up uh Brenda's kill, which I think is like one of the creepiest kills that uh that gets overlooked a lot. Um 100% part one. Um, you know, like I I love like I love that those dark woods. Um, you know, I love the lived in feel of the cabins, right? Like it's it's a it was a real functioning uh camp. And you you could tell. And and that is that is huge. Like, you know, they the great storyline to get around the kids. We're setting up before the camp uh starts. And um and and yeah, you look around, you look on the shelves, you look at the you know, the way things are are hung. You knew that you know they didn't spend a lot of money on set design. This was all uh there for them, and it shows it's it's it's run down. That's the way things were back then in the 70s and 80s, you know, before it got all everything had to be pristine and perfect and everything like that. That's that's what going up north was all about. That's what it was, that's what it looked like and felt like. And and part one, you know, uh you could call it brilliant, but I think it was just because they were there at the time. And they I I just I love that uh I love the feel of part one. Um yeah, just it's it's it's dark, but it feels like summer. It's it's the the the water's black, right? Like it's just love that.
SPEAKER_00Love, love uh and it has that secluded feel. A lot of horror comes from that feeling of seclusion. You're not in a big city, you're not in a in a town like in Haddonfield or anything like that. Like you're you're secluded. You're maybe a couple miles, 10-minute drive away from the nearest police station, fire department. Yeah, that that's isolating that that can build that fear and that tension. Like just you just can't go to the fire hydrant, turn it on, and put out a fire. Yeah, you got so much to, you know, that that seclusion really hits with the Friday films.
SPEAKER_02For sure, for sure. And even part one, staying on part one for a sec, is like um, you know, where uh Blairstown Diner is, and and you know, that diner, um, you know, I love love obviously love that diner. It breaks things up a little bit, gives you a little bit of a break from the camp, but you know, you know it's far enough away that it's not close, but you know that's like you know, it's a town, and that's that's kind of like, you know, again, coming, you know, from Canada, like that, that's a big thing, right? We go up north in the summer, we we get away and we I'm not saying we're the only ones that do it, but I'm what I mean is that like it resonates um you know to go, and that's what you have. You have those diners you have, and those diners are like about another 15 minutes away from you know where your cabin is or your cottage is, and and uh so it kind of that one speaks to me a lot. It reminds me, I used to have a cottage in in my area in uh it's uh there's um up north, there's a Muskoka area, and it's uh beautiful area. We used to have a cottage area when I was a kid, and I think I I honestly attribute my love for Friday the 13th to that, you know, that connection with my uh with my cottage and and just the good times that we had there. And and I feel like that part one really um really mimicked the f the feel of those woods and the town and everything like that.
SPEAKER_00That's why I I love that diner. I love the diner aspect in films. Like even in the malign, you know, part eight when they're in that diner, because the diner, you it's got that hometown feel. Like you got this same guy in the trucker hat sitting at the counter, eating pie, drinking coffee, talking crap to the waitress, and they got this banter back and forth. It's that old time, that old town feel that it has to it. Like all the locals see the new person walking in, they all stop and you hear a pin drop and everything, they all check it out. It to me that's just like classic horror, it's classic storytelling that it really hits.
SPEAKER_02For sure, for sure. And it's like uh, yeah, you know, we got to I think part one did it so good, like you kind of start off in that town, and then you know, you kind of get locked into camp. Um, yeah, just uh uh you know, I'll probably come kind of come back to part one a little bit, but um, you know, and I I I want to draw a parallel a little bit to uh that cottage feel, even though it was very, very different. It kind of still hits home was uh part three. Um I I just thought like I know it was like there was like a barn feel, and I I I kind of touched on this before that you know, like part three was the first one that kind of went away from a camp, so to speak. Um, you know, it was we were in a a barn, right? We were in a farm, like, you know, and it was kind of like um it it but it worked, it fit. Like it wasn't like you know, oh crap, we're not at Camp Crystal Lake. Like that that didn't really kind of hit me. Um I think years later I was like, oh, you know what? Part three wasn't really out of camp. It but it just it kind of fit well. And um I feel like the town of like part three was really, really cool when they were kind of just driving there and and then uh you know grocery store wasn't anything amazing, but it just kind of added a little bit of a vibe, you know, when they got to that house. And um uh yeah, I love that house in part three as well. Yeah. Um yeah. What about what about you, man?
SPEAKER_00But like part three, I have to bring up that barn. It's just it's so I remember as a kid, like I it was on TV or something, I remember watching it, and it was the part where the the biker, she's swinging back and forth, woo, just having a good time. I'm like, oh cool, man. She's having fun. And then like the the screen cuts to the other guy for a second, and it comes back to her, and you just see that rope.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00No sound, you just the sound of that rope swinging back and forth. Like you said, that that barn made me not miss the lake.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00In part three, because it's just that's it's so iconic the way it goes from number two into number three with the barn and everything. It just it works. I mean, number three and number four with the barn. Yeah, it's like one of those like settings, you know, the look like dislocation hits. Like if I just looked at the barn, yep, Friday part three. You already know because you see the loft up and top. It and like they try to do it again on part five with the barn, but it didn't have the same didn't didn't have the same feel. Well, I don't hate part five. You'll see that on our rankings. Um yeah, it just didn't have the same feel as part three. It's like I didn't like we said it didn't make me miss the lake.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. I think you that that's a good point. Like, you know, take the barn out of part three. Is it now missing something? Excuse me. I'm trying to hold in a a cough there. Um, yeah, is is if you take the barn out of part three, is part three uh uh as special? Is it work? I don't know. Um but uh but yeah, like you know, just even in the beginning, like you know, just you know, pulling up the hay there and uh Mary Jo and Conrad uh uh conversation there. It was just it kind of worked, it fit. It like it it gave a different a fresh take, but not too much of a departure where you're like wondering what the hell. Um you know, the the lake was a little bit, you know, subpar because obviously we know it was a fake lake, and um and it but it it it served its purpose. Like, you know, when I was before I knew it was a fake lake, I just you know I thought it was a s they didn't really use it very much, but whatever.
SPEAKER_00Um I mean the harpoon scene was kind of cool. Yeah to get that 3D shot.
SPEAKER_02That was that was a good scene. Yeah, but like even inside the cabins, it looked fun. Um I'm really struggling here. Holy crap. We'll be okay. Um, but anyways, yeah, so uh uh inside the cabins looked fun with uh Andy and Debbie going at it on a ha hammock, those rooms again look really authentic and real. Like you knew it wasn't built for a film. It was that's what they had. That's what I like about it, you know, and and it shows, right? Like, especially in these low budget films that like you know, um, you know, once once you kind of start building sets, it shows. And um yeah, love three. Love three for that one. Um the the one thing I'll say about part three though, I think I think it did I don't know, it did lack a little bit of uh I don't know. I don't know if I missed the woods, uh uh if that's the right word.
SPEAKER_00I had a sense you were gonna go there because to me, I don't want to say it felt dirty, but it was too brown. Yeah. Like, like I'm just thinking of the biker scene where they're chasing like the as soon as I we were on that same wavelength because it felt too brown, not enough green. I want to see, like, yeah, I want to see the leaves and everything, but I want to see green trees and everything. And yeah, it was almost like a little too brown, but it was just like a bunch of dirt instead of the forest.
SPEAKER_02Love that. I agree with that 100% too brown. Um, just looking at my notes here. So part three was the one that was like, uh, oh, and by the way, once again, shout out to Slick Slomopovich of Cabin 6 who provided some notes. I got addresses here uh for some of these, but that was Melody Ranch in uh Oak Creek. So you're in California. Is this anywhere close to you? Oak Creek Avenue, New Hall, California? It's probably up and around LA area, I would assume. I don't know. I have to build Oak Creek. How far are you from LA?
SPEAKER_00Uh an hour south.
SPEAKER_02Hour south, yeah. Um, anyways, uh Spunky Canyon Road. Uh that's the cafe. Is there a cafe? Is that the grocery store? I'm wondering. I don't know. Anyways, um oh Higgins Haven Cabin and Barn. Sorry, okay, so that was not uh uh Melody Ranch, that was at uh Velozat Motion Picture Ranch. Oh Velozat, I don't know, uh, in Saga's California. So yeah, that that much I heard and we uh um yeah, so anyways, part three was a little bit of a departure, but I think it worked. There's times where they departured uh in the future and it didn't work uh for lack of proper phraseology. Yeah. Um so another the another location that you absolutely adored. I know you were talking to me about a couple.
SPEAKER_00It's just I love the woods in four. Like when you see Trish and your mom running, it's you're there's no doubt you're in the woods. And then you got their cabin. Just the woods in four really hit home for me because it feels like the woods, like there's leaves, and it's just like it's like a not a dirt road, it's paved, but there's no sidewalk to walk on. You know, it's just you could picture somebody just hitchhiking, walking backwards. There's no lights, it's dark. It just gives you that secluded woods feel. Like whoever lives in that house, you know, you know, we'll we'll be talking that on episodes, you know, that house and number four, it's a secluded area. I mean, it's probably a pretty cool place to live if you like the seclusion of it. And again, it just it kind of brings in that isolation feel. I just the woods of part four is what I think about.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, uh yeah, I agree. I I think the woods have um a little bit more of a polished look, but still really grainy and gritty, uh, but kind of like a um a mimic of part one, maybe like a a step from that, like you know, where it kind of comes back. I mean, one in four, um I it's funny. I always feel like one and four could almost be direct sequels in some cases. Um in just the way the tone and the feel and the look and you know, Jason's makeup and everything like that. Um I think yeah, if I I I hear you on the on four, like I think that that was a a really cool, you know, again, just the woods look dense, the woods look dark, the woods like felt, you know, like the woods, you know, and um, you know, even when uh it was simple things like jogging, like you didn't have to be like when he pitches a tent and then he finds some funny stuff happening at his tent, that's that's all good. You know, you turn down the the sun and you show the woods, and you know, uh it's always gonna be kind of creepy, but even in the daytime it had that feel that um you know you didn't want to be there. Even again, the hitchhiker just sitting at the side of the road. It just it felt it felt right. It felt real. Like, you know, it's funny how like nowadays when they do movies, like you know, just that that feel and that atmosphere is just missing. And and we're not talking like Friday the 13th had these massive budgets and these unbelievable talents working on these films, right? But they were able to capture things, and that's why, like, you know, they get a little bit of a bad rap all the Friday 13th films. But no, I'm sorry, you watch some of these early films and they're done so well. Um, and uh, you know, with of course with some some blemishes, but uh show me a film that doesn't.
SPEAKER_00So it's like the people still go out scouting for like movie locations because like from part four is you got the Jarvis house right next to the cabin, and again that brings in that closeness because I love the scene where Tommy's looking through the window at the little hanky panky going on in the cabin across, which is something totally a kid would do.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, for sure, for sure.
SPEAKER_00He would he's going down to the lake with his sister, they're skinny dipping, he's trying to peek and stuff. It's like what a kid would do. So it feels real, it doesn't nothing feels fabricated in that location. Like it was definitely not a I think you know, because in part uh in Jason X, when they bring up the simulation of the girls at camp, yeah, yeah. That had a cold feeling to it. I mean, purposely so, because it just shows for that warmth that you get from like an actual like solid location.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. And I love that idea in part four having the back the houses side by side, you know, having all the kids doing their stuff there and having the two places to go back and forth with, and like, you know, I I thought that was really, really cool. Um, again, you didn't miss the camp. Um, you know, that's one of the things that like you know, Friday 13th got away from kind of quickly, uh, was you know, going to camp, right? Uh part three and part four, and then part five wasn't in camp either. You know, it was it wasn't until part six where they decided to bring it back to camp, and that was short-lived too, because it after that I have been. That was it.
SPEAKER_00So if you think about it, only two films, yeah, only two films actually involve a camp. Well, three. Number one, they were at a camp. Number two, they're getting ready. And then number six.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Isn't that crazy?
SPEAKER_00So that's the only time you're actually at a camp. That's why I I really don't think of Crystal Lake. I just think of Crystal Lake as a summer camp. Uh-huh. I just I'm just I'm thinking it's more like the lake itself with the dock and there's a camp nearby. Because, like you said, that camp aspect is kind of a little overshadowed about about everything else. Because only three films really talk about kids at camp. That's pretty crazy. Otherwise, it's just like a summer vacation or a retreat.
SPEAKER_02I wonder if I've ever thought of that before. That there was only so there were so few at a at uh at camp, Crystal Lake.
SPEAKER_00Like if you might if you want to talk about camp horror movies, some people may bring up like the burning or summer camp nightmare. Yeah. Before a lot of Friday films. Like if you said name your top ten camp horror movies. Yeah, the original would be in there, but you can pick another one.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. But I think I well, I think with Friday it's just it's it's kind of like just assumed, right? Like you say Friday the 13th, you just assume it's a camp film. Right? Yeah, a camp killer film. It in but when you break it down, yeah, okay, one, two, and six are, but um really there's there's not a lot. There's shenanigans or s camp camp adjacent, I guess, all these uh different uh it's almost like camp as in you can go camping visa summer camp.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, makes sense. So like in the remake, they're camping. They're not at summer camp, but they're camping, so that they try and put a little of the camp into it, but yeah, there's it just maybe maybe I'm just realizing it solemnly like it. There's not a lot of summer camp.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, I know. And I guess maybe the the common thread is supposed to be the fact that you know, no matter where they are, whether it's part one, whether it's part four, whether it's part five, there is a lake nearby, and that lake is Crystal Lake, you know, and and that's supposed to be, you know, the justification of Friday 13th. And and you know what? And in a way, in a way, um while we all love the camp and praise part six for bringing it back a lot, you know, I think maybe that's a good move, right? Moving it to different locations within the camp kind of kept storylines fresh as as as this you know as the series kind of progressed. Um, as much as the camps are great, you know, um, you still knew it. You still bought into the fact that we were in Jason's land, which is, you know, by Camp Crystal Lake. But you know, here we are at a barn, here we are at, you know, a house in the by the in the in the woods and uh um a halfway house or whatever part five was. Like, you know, like so I in a way I think it was a good decision. Uh it's just um yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Maybe you really couldn't have 12 movies all about kids at camp. It was well, you could.
SPEAKER_02They do they do that, but thankfully they didn't.
SPEAKER_00You know, but like I I think I there's a tendency to that gets uh stale if you just did a repeat of for all 12 in a row. Yeah, like just think about the bad franchises out there where they don't change the location. Yeah, you know, it it gets stale really quick. So I can I I can see them keeping you want to keep Crystal Lake the central focus, but yeah, like off season, setting up for camp, post-camp, yeah, you know, rebuild, stuff like that.
SPEAKER_02Speaking of rebuild, um part six, they rebuilt it and it's Camp Forest Green. We all know you love part six, so tell it tell talk to us about uh some of the locations in part six, how they resonate with you.
SPEAKER_00That opening scene with the graveyard. It oh, it just yeah, it's and I've talked about it before that part six is that universal monsters feel to it. It's pretty much it's almost it's close to a Frankenstein story with Tommy resurrecting Jason. Tommy didn't go dig him up, Jason. We wouldn't have zombie Jason, yeah. So it's got like a Frankenstein feel to it, you know, all the locations where Tommy's on the phone, hey beat me at Karloff's, all the hit story. The um, but that graveyard scene, it's just so good. They dig them up. Love it. I mean, hey, why would you have a Mark Grave for a mass murderer? Yeah but it's just then it just starts raining. You got Tommy and you got Horseshack there, Alan. It's so good. It's dark, you know, it's it starts pouring down rain. It man, that scene hits, and then like it's it's smooth transitions. Tommy uh he takes off running, runs into the sheriff station. Sheriff picks him up, okay. You like trouble, take him back there, the grave's filled in. But then, oh, you got this little cabin over here where the daughter is and everything. She's got all of her friends getting ready for the camp. It's such a seamless transition through all those the paintball scene. Love it. Yeah, I love it. The guy shoots in a paintball, he just kind of looks down like, what the fuck and just the way it just it's felt big, but it felt like still enclosed, like this was all Crystal Lake. Yeah, just like the the transition from scene to scene felt very smooth to me if that makes sense. It just kind of moved really well.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Like with uh again, we we praised Tom McLaughlin on uh the first episode for uh for his direction in part six and making you know small budget, you know, go the distance and um and he did with that film and again, yeah, the locations it it all fit, it all worked, you know, and and uh it all created the world, and that's what you want. You want, you know, you're gonna shoot out of sequence, you're gonna shoot locations here, there, and everywhere, uh just to get by. I mean, the ending of Friday 13th, part six was shot in a swimming pool, uh, parts of it anyway, you know, and that's that's fine. Like, you know, that that because it all worked. And um, that's that's good filmmaking, that's good location scouting, and uh and yeah, and I I mean I wouldn't have thought that that would be in you know in Georgia, you know, because it again it's it you would think it's like more northern US or even Canada, like the way kind of uh uh the vibe of it. But um yeah, part six was great. I I I definitely uh felt like the camp felt warm, spooky, um felt real. Everything felt real in part six. Like, you know, I guess you throw the kids in there too, but like you know, that scene where they're in the kitchen unpacking their food and stuff like that when the bus shows up, you know, that was just it just had had that vibe. You wanted to be there. Like, you know, you just you uh that and that's the best thing about Friday 13th films. Like you kind of know the outcome of a lot of these characters, yet you still want to be there. That's that's when you know it's a cool setting.
SPEAKER_00And it felt like they felt like camp counselors. You had the little kids, yeah, and the counselors felt like camp counselors, like the one guy who got killed in the RV, I can't remember his name. He was kind of like a swarmy little smart ass to the kids, telling them how building a fire and stuff like that. Just listen to me here. Then you had the girls who are a little uncomfortable. Oh, well amongst little snot-nose little kids, but we're gonna have fun.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And just uh, and the way again it's gonna go to a location is the way it edited from the way the edits go from scene to scene, like that one joke, did they think I'm a fart? And then jumps to the kids cheering. Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna give more love to part six, just the way those locations all fit so well together.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it it because you felt like it was it was all done at a camp and surrounding area, and that's what you want. Like you don't want any disconnect when you're watching a Friday 13th film. Um, you want the seclusion and and if and if you can make that seclusion, because it's gonna be creepy later on in the film, but if you can make that seclusion warm and inviting in the beginning, then you've got something. Because, you know, when you when you do go to these places, you don't go there to rent a run-down cottage with like, you know, you you go for like the niceties of that lodge or that cabin or that cottage, you know, and and part six was that, right? It it looked nice, it it didn't intentionally look creepy, you know. And the other thing I like about um, you know, I'm gonna say this about a lot of the Friday the 13th, something that I really have an issue with, and this is kind of, you know, moving off a little bit of locations, but like I love with part six that the counselors they got along. Like they they looked like they were friends, they look like they, you know, they were kind of like, and and I feel like that's for the most part, that's the case with a lot of the Friday the 13th films, and especially in the early ones, whereas now like every single slasher film that it starts off with a car full of teenagers and they're all pissed off at each other and they all hate each other. It's a it's a it's a trope that evolved and it's the most ridiculously lazy writing.
SPEAKER_00It's it's exhausting, yeah. And everybody's too pretty nowadays.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Every guy has to find some reason to take his shirt off, and they're all shredded. Every girl is just injected in this, and again, it's a you get the jock douchebag. Yeah, you know, you you get the guy who's too cool for school who wears sunglasses at night. Yeah, you get you get the virgin wallflower, you know, you get the whore, you get the tease, it's you get the nerd, you get the fat guy. It's just it's yeah, so paid by the numbers. Yeah. But back here, like I said, it was a group of friends.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, right. And and and you even in the story didn't have to uh uh you know, it didn't have to have them as friends, because you know, if you're a camp counselor, you probably go up there, you meet people for the first time, second time, whatever. Um, but like you know, you didn't have to waste any time with people like with this like vicious kind of banter back and forth, and you're like, why why are they even going there together? Like what what's going on? Like, you know what? And that that kind of drives me nuts. Anyways, the warmth of Friday the 13th, um to start the film is I think what something that really works. You know, you always have your setup scene, whether it's you know, part one, the the opening kills, or part two, Alistine or part three with uh where he gets his uh his outfit there um with that older older couple. You know, you always have that, and then it kind of warms up. And and when it warms up, you're able to let you be let into the world, right? You're there they're creating that world, and you're you're either driving up with them or you're hanging out with them. And I think that that's something like especially again, you know, in the early Friday the 13th, um, that really, really works. And you know, if you can if you feel like you know, I want to hang out with these guys, then you know, like they did something right. And and some of them you don't like you know, I didn't care to hang out with the people in part eight. You know, I that that didn't look fun to me at all. And even part seven, even it was a big giant party, you know, and and you know, they could have leaned into that one a little bit better. And uh, but I was just like that's probably a party I don't need to go to.
SPEAKER_00And again, but they were they were mean to each other even in part seven. She's like, yeah, Melissa. I was just like, dude, why are you being a bitch to her? She just walked in the door, yeah. Yeah, no, but like it's important to create that warmth in in a horror film, at least the camaraderie between the cast members and everything, because as the viewer, it builds that false sense of security. Like, you know, you're watching a horror film and some you know, horrible stuff's gonna happen, but you want to feel that warmth first and get to know the characters, care about them, like some of them, yeah, not hate every single one of them like it is now with horror movies. That warmth is important because it gives that false sense of security. Like, oh, this is a nice little cozy camp. I like it here, and then bam, the horror happens. So, because it you're not prepared for it. You get nice and calm, and then the horror happens. Like in the thing, granted, it's cold, but yeah, you see the camaraderie and then the horror happens, it hits hard. If everybody was an asshole to each other, it wasn't warm and inviting. You're like, I definitely want to go there no matter what. So it's not gonna be as scary because you already said nope, that's a big nope for me.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, no, for sure. And the thing, and that opening, it's just like a two-second shot, but I wanted to play ping pong with Blair, man. I want it, I was like, I want to be there. Uh, sign me up. Uh, alien, okay. I'll I'll handle that when it happens. But right now, I just want to hang out with these guys.
SPEAKER_00I want to smoke with Palmer and Kyle.
SPEAKER_02I was gonna say, have a drink with McCreedy, play some ping pong with Blair.
SPEAKER_00Oh, who would not want to drink a glass of JB with McCready? I mean, come on.
SPEAKER_02Uh yes, that's uh, but we're we're we're kind of veering off here, which is gonna be.
SPEAKER_00I think it should it goes to show you how important that location is using the thing as an example, greatest horror movie of all time, yeah. They nailed a location. So when you nail a location like a lot of films did with Friday the 13th, it makes a film more enjoyable. 100%.
SPEAKER_02And make no mistake, if the thing had like, you know, some different locations that didn't really work, like obviously, yeah, you're gonna have Antarctic White, but like, you know, if if the set wasn't it was a little cheesier or something, you know, that movie would go down. Like, you know, it it's so important to nail the location, and set design is such an undervalued um uh just aesthetic when it comes to making films nowadays. Like, you know, when independent filmmakers, and granted, you don't you have a certain amount of money, set design can't be everything for you. You have to make your dollars stretch, but you really want to focus on set design because Friday the 13th is a franchise that you know has a lot going for it, and at the top of the list, as you said, is the locations, is the camps, and and and you know, and some of those are beautiful, you know, like part five, you know, it's not terribly bad, but it there's something dirty about it, like uh it's got kind of like this like um a trashy vibe to it, part five.
SPEAKER_00Because of that, yeah, the halfway house.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, it does have a little bit of a like a trashy vibe to it, but brown, like you said, you know, like a brown like look and feel. Yeah, like you know, it just kind of it doesn't register like the other ones, I don't think. Uh like in the first, like if we're talking the first six or seven um or eight, go Mancuso era.
SPEAKER_00Um Purfive's got a little bit of a a trashy vibe, like, you know, even like even the the diner's a little trashy with the guy that ball guy's picking up his girl. It's a little little swarmy, a little like okay, not as polished, but I think that goes with the aesthetic of the film, what they were going for. Like, is this Jake well Jason is dead from sure for number four, so like who is this new Jason? And it was a halfway house, so it didn't it what didn't have that homey feel, and I don't think it was supposed to. Maybe that's why it's a lot of people don't care for because five didn't have that homey feel. Yeah, because you don't want to be in this halfway house. I don't want to be around these people. So yeah, and it kind of made you feel uncomfortable almost throughout the entire film, especially after when little boy got killed by um by Vic. It's just like, okay, this is a different feel to it because that wasn't Jason killing for revenge. This is some guy chopping wood who got angry because the dude got chocolate on him.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Yeah, part five, yeah. Part five had a different uh uh a direction altogether. Um still had the same kind of grittiness as like you know, uh part four and three. Um still had the great score that mimicked the early ones. So that was the tie-in. But you know, if I think if you kind of if you changed up the score like part six did um and and threw it on part five, part five would have a really, really different feel. I think the thread was like, you know, that that score of the early ones was still very, very prevalent in part five. Um, you know, I mean, it just even like like I said, the woods, you know, you go out in the woods and there's a there's a a creepy pervert guy watching, like, you know, and it's just like you know, then you go to the the the neighbor's house with uh like Edna, or was no, that was that Edna. I forgot. Um yeah, yeah, like you know, and and you know, he hurt me ma and all that, like you know, kind of like trailer trashy kind of thing. Definitely just leaned into that, and it kind of had a little bit of a a feel that I I didn't love as much as some of the other ones. And there wasn't a lot of lake in part five. Was there a lake in part five?
SPEAKER_00That's what I'm trying. It's been a minute since I watched part five, but I'm going back, I was like, I don't remember any lake scenes. No, you're right. Like as far as kill, like no one got killed in the lake that I can remember. I was just like, there's a lot of wood scenes, you know, like with the hedge clippers and the band.
SPEAKER_02There's not a lot of lake in the flashback or the like, you know, those the when he was having those visions, yeah, there wasn't a lake.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, there's the asylum or a hospital he's in. You got the halfway house, you've got the diner and everything, you've got the barn, yeah. Part five barn, but I don't remember a lot of lake.
SPEAKER_02I'm uh I'm sure you know someone will correct us if we're wrong, but I don't think that there's a lake in part five. I gotta go rewatch that that is pretty crazy. Part six was the first film without nudity, part five was the first film without lake. Um but with a lot of nudity. But with a lot of nudity, yeah. Kind of it kind of made up for part six if you're if you like that direction. Um, yeah, that's funny because we were talking about that earlier, right? Like how you kind of didn't need to always be at a camp, but but in that one you didn't even have a trace of water.
SPEAKER_00But but then again, part five is the outlier since it's not part five technically could have taken place anywhere.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. You know, you you know what I would like I would love to see. I would love to see a real hardcore Friday the 13th fan create a map of and and incorporate all the films. How they're all yeah, like maybe that's out there already, and I'm I just haven't seen it, or maybe an AI uh generator, we could probably do it ourselves. But I would love to see a fan, just a real who's got his finger on the pulse, his or her finger on the pulse, and just yeah, I would love to see that. Like, where's part five located? Okay, that's why there's no water in that film. It's yes, there, you know. Um, but yeah, yeah. So I mean, uh touching on part seven quickly, like you know, that that was an example. I if that movie felt like it was sh filmed in November or something. Like it looked like they were they were uh like that Melissa when she was uh sunbathing beside her friend there, I forgot Sandra. Um I think it was it looked cold, like you could see the goosebumps on them.
SPEAKER_00It the whole movie looked cold, and I like other than that scene, every I'm always picturing it dark outside. Yeah, yeah. 90% of part seven, it was dark outside.
SPEAKER_02It was like, you know, I I I don't know if leaves were on the ground, but there was no leaves on trees other than like, you know, evergreens. Um like it was just now, now I will give them a little bit of uh uh I'll give them a pass. I mean, technically they were just going up in the woods to celebrate a birthday party. So it could have been November. It definitely didn't look like summer. It definitely wouldn't pass for summer. And and that, in my opinion, hurts it a little bit. Not that everything has to be in summer. Obviously, I think, you know, one of the prevailing um, you know, dreams out there for a Friday 13th is to see Jason in the snow, um, you know, in a in a feature-length film, you know, I think that would be really, really cool. It doesn't have to be like, you know, perfect summer weather, but I I just think it just it all kind of fits a little bit better when it's like warm outside.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but go back and watch that scene when there's sunbathing, you can see goose bat the goose flesh because it was probably cold as heck outside.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's uh that didn't look like uh that didn't look like what we were used to, that's for sure. Um, but there was a lake in it. So that's uh that's yeah, funny. Um part eight. I mean, I guess we'd be remiss if we didn't talk a little bit about him in New York.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, somehow the crystal lake that somehow connects to the Hudson River that can get them to New York somehow.
SPEAKER_02Again, we got to see this artist rendition. We're calling for it. If you're out there, send it. We'll put it on our show.
SPEAKER_00We talk, I mean, being a seller, you know, the 22 years, it being on the boat is kind of like okay, I I'm kind of used to it, so I didn't get that claustrophobic feeling to it. I I did it for some 22 years. Yeah. But I could some of the kills were cool on the boat. You know, I like the guitar and everything, and every so a lot of it was kind of cool, but I think they were bad calling it Jason Takes Manhattan.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_00And I mean you could have called it like senior prom or you know Friday the 13th, you know, whatever, school days, something I just because the only part that you that was actually what in Manhattan is where he's in Times Square.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_00It was only Vancouver, eh?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Um it definitely and and uh you know I I'll say, you know, the the look of him on the subway was kind of cool. Like it it was shot nice and it it it gave a good like you know screen grab and you know there was some fun stuff in there, but like you know, you're you're going to alleyways and sewers, and it's like it could be in Manhattan, it could be in Wisconsin, it could be in like Turkey. You know, it didn't really matter at that point, right? And I I again we we to we talked about this, we won't get into that, but like as far as the setting, there were a couple of things in New York that were kind of fun, like seeing him, you know, kick the stereo. I'm not saying that I loved that scene, but you know, it was definitely New York. Seeing his face on the big screen there was kind of tongue in cheek.
SPEAKER_00For the Rangers, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like you know, that was kind of fun, like you know, and I again I do like I do like that look of him standing in the subway when like you know everybody's kind I thought that was kind of cool, but overall, uh New York or the Manhattan uh part eight uh really it it lacked heart. It it just like and I and I'm talking even with the setting, right? Like it just didn't really didn't really connect. And and again, the boat could have been creepy on its own. But even the boat didn't really like, you know, what was that boat? Was it like, you know, I mean, it looked at times you see them boarding the boat, and then it looked when they were on board, it looked a lot bigger than it actually was.
SPEAKER_00It was just a ball, it had a ballroom in it for the party and everything. I was just like I don't want to say what type of ship this is.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I know. So again, just so much um uh just it was very misguided. Very, very misguided.
SPEAKER_00And that's the film where Jason teleports when he goes up the mast.
SPEAKER_02He did it a couple of times. I think even with the good the guitar kill, too, right? Like I think he was kind of given chase and then yeah, teleport Jason. Yep.
SPEAKER_00Um so I think and again, like that one didn't need to take place specifically at a crystal lake. I can understand wanting to change it after eight films, but your whole marketing was Jason takes Manhattan. I remember I was in lived in New York at the time, it was all over the place. Like we talked about, he was on like on Arsenio Hall and stuff, yeah, because it's this is huge. Jason takes Manhattan, but then you really dropped the ball. Like, did I want could he have gone storm through Madison Square Garden or something like that? I'm like, yeah, they had the budget, that would have been cool. Yeah, you know, like if I had an unlimited budget back then, think how cool it would have been to see Jason in Madison Square Garden during the Rangers game.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00That that would have made the movie.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, for sure, for sure. But you know, one the one thing that Manhattan does is the most is it's uh it it makes you appreciate where it all started, where it uh where it comes from. The the early settings, um, some of the mid mid-card settings in the films and stuff like that, it really makes you appreciate. Um not that we needed that to appreciate them, but you know, when you come back from that and you think of part three, you're like, ah, that's that's that's where I want to be. You know, that's part two, that's that's cool. Part two, um, you know, part two also kind of like gave me like reminded me of my cottage. I think part two had such a nice green feel to it. I felt like it was just like, you know, um, it looked again like you know, they were training for camps, just the you know, just the little touches in filmmaking that like, you know, make it to like where they're barbecuing, you know, the weenies. And um, you know, it's uh things like that, like where they're where they're they're playing some games, they're playing some cards, they're playing video games in the in the main lodge, and that looked fun, man. That looked like, yeah, again, that was like, you know, that was awesome. Part two, um, you know, really, really had uh a great vibe in that. Like again, they looked like they all kind of got along or they were having a lot of a lot of fun and you wanted to jump right in, and that's the magic.
SPEAKER_00I think part two is the only one to have a campfire of people surrounding like the campfire telling stories. Right? And how classic that's what I'm saying. Exactly. That's that's that's classic summer camp horror.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Yeah, part two, part two did a lot of good things. It you know, it warmed up what what happened in part one. It kind of, you know, it was five years later again, like you know, it just looked, it looked summery, it looked really fun, uh vibrant, and uh and then creepy as hell. Like, you know, like uh we're talking locations, the shed, Jason's shed. Like, you know, that was like in the middle of this beautiful green forest. It's it's but like that was like that's cool. Okay, yeah, he's got have to have a place to live, right? He's got or someplace to hang his hat, right? So um his sack. Uh so I I that was really cool. That was a cool location. I think part two did so many good things, I think, with locations. Um and uh, you know, like even when they're you know they're trekking through the woods looking for the dog or or you know, um one thing I d and and when they're at the beach, when they're all hanging at the beach and there's that you know the frog in the blender joke, and that's such a cool touch, right? You're just showing them for a couple of seconds at the beach, makes the whole world open up, right? Like the you believe that they're there. And then the bar is something that we we will uh talk about that in a second. But like one of the things that I liked about part two was um that it kind of it it seemed to utilize the setting a little bit better, uh uh more than some of the other uh films. And uh yeah, I just love it. And okay, so like uh I'll let you talk about the bar because I think we both kind of like that bar setting.
SPEAKER_00It's just again, like I'll say anytime somebody mentions part two, I will always bring up staying at a bar drinking can save your life because Ted just stays there drinking and it felt like a cool small town bar. Yeah, you know, there was there weren't a bunch of like Josh Jock douchebags hanging out, bunch of frat kids. Yeah, there wasn't a bunch of like old timers who just sit in there sipping whiskey. There wasn't a bunch of like crappy music playing. It was just like a fun small town bar where you know the waitress, she knows your usual. You're gonna walk up, she's gonna get you your burger and fries and a pint, yeah, and you're comfortable. Like, and you can flirt with her, there's play for a banter back and forth. Locals come in, you hang out with them. It just it was a fun place to be. Like, I like I want to go to that bar and have a you know, have some French fries and a you know, and a meal.
SPEAKER_02No, for sure. And it was like one of the things like again, it it's it's how how these stories resonate with you. And this is one where like I remember when I was young when Friday 13th part two came out. I was young when we had our cottage, and and and I remember a lot of my older cousins at night would go off to the bar, right? And I was like, Where? Like it was magic to me. Where are they going? Magical, yeah. Yeah, like when they're going out, they're probably having a time in their lives, and uh, where is that? And then Friday 13th part two, I got to see it. I'm like, oh, okay, so that's where they're going. I can't wait till I'm older and I'm gonna do that, you know. And it's just like it kind of like, you know, something that sticks with you. It could be silly to you know, people listening, but you know, uh, you know, that's it is what it is. I love that.
SPEAKER_00That was I think it all boils down to from all those films and the ones that you and I love so much, you know, the locations we all like, you know, hold dear near and dear. It's ones that feel real.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's like like not just us, okay, yeah, that they film the movie there, it's a set, but like one, like if I lived there and want to go visit, I could be like, okay. Yeah. This this feels like a real place where real people could live. And it just it makes it more realistic. And to me, that accentuates like the feel of a horror movie.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely, absolutely. Uh, before uh we move on, is there anything you wanna, any location that we didn't cover that you want to touch on? Um, geez. Listen, we're gonna they're gonna come up in shows, you know, subsequent shows, but uh one that I did not like was J Jason's Undercrown Underground Cave in the remake.
SPEAKER_00Oh man, that labyrinth. That was just it was a little like all right, Jason's a little, I was a little much. I don't hate the film, it's about mid-range for me, but I thought it was a cool idea. It almost looks like he decorated some of it. Like Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_02I thought it was a cool idea. I just thought it was a little too elaborate, right? Like it looked like he had some general contractors coming in and excavating for him and stuff like that. He must have been working on that, like, you know, uh for quite many years. That's that's that's an example.
SPEAKER_00He tacked up, you know, it's just yeah, right.
SPEAKER_02So that's that's the example that we're saying, like, you know, where in the early ones, you know, you look at his shack, right? That's real, that's like raw and it's like authentic. And then in the remake, like he's he's basically you know, like he's like the minotaur down there, like you know, with this like Greek mythology labyrinth with shortcuts and stuff like that. Good one. That was a good point. But uh what about uh uh the RV? Are you gonna talk about the RV?
SPEAKER_00Well, see, yeah, the R obviously number six is my favorite film, but um, I love the RV because you're playing good old heavy metal music. You got a hot chick with this guy, they're just having fun, and just granted the kill doesn't make a lot of sense when he smashes her face through the uh the side panel, but just the fact that you see it like mowed to it, I was like, okay, that's brutal. That was fine, and again, another one of my favorite kills. It the guy he's just driving along, like, what are you doing there? Taking a dump? It's just he's headbanging along. It just seems he's kind of being a dick and everything, but and then he just as soon as he turns to look at Jason, that knife goes in the side of his head. And how can you not forget Jason standing on the side of that RV as it's catching on fire?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's just and one cool thing is when the RV flips, there's a case of beer on the roof that falls off, so you see all these cans of beer goes uh flying. The director didn't know about that. They were like partying up there on top of it. Really? That he didn't know that was gonna happen. It was like a case of beer that flies off the top of it. But uh, the RV is one of those like satellite locations that just give that little extra spice, yeah. Like to the movie. Because like I can see people like, well, I don't want to see nothing but the camp. So it's cool when you have a little satellite station, like the output, like the add-ons you and I were talking about, yeah. That really add to it, like the barn, the RV, the bar. Yeah, satellite stations are very important to the franchise.
SPEAKER_02For sure. Like, yeah, for sure. Blairstown Diner, uh, what's his face's uh outhouse there? Ooh, baby. Ooh, baby, yeah. Demons and demons outhouse, man. That's gotta be an add-on. It's like it's in there. All those things. Um, yeah, they're they they make the world, right? They make the world, and this is uh um it's Jason's world, and we're just living in it. All right, so with that being said, we are going to build our dream camp. And Uncle Pete, you're gonna go first. And rather than go back and forth, let's just keep the momentum going. You're gonna build your camp, and then we'll ask our uh our viewers to not only build their own camp, which would be very, very interesting because there's so many moving parts, especially with the add-on. Um, but you can also let us know whose camp you would go to, Uncle Pete's or mine. Um, all right, Uncle Pete, floor is yours.
SPEAKER_00I'm gonna start with the lake. I gotta choose the lake from part one because I love the ending of part one, a jump scare that got everybody. Alice is on that lake. It's crystal clear, nice and smooth. Killer jump scare. That's the lake. That's where Jason was born into, you know, technically. So yeah, lake from part one. Uh as far as the shelter go, I gotta go to Jarvis House from part four. When Ted White asks Jason explodes through that door, it's terrifying. It's just like, oh shit. This okay, he's mad now. This is this is it's terrifying the way he's just battling through everything. You got like the wood paneling, it feels lived in, it feels homey. I love the staircase that goes up. It when Tommy comes down, Jason, after he shaves his head. Jarvis House is the best shelter for me. Woods, sticking with part four. I love when um the Tina and the mom are running in part four, and then uh the the hitchhiker guy uh who's looking for his sister from part two. It it's a not lived in woods, but it just it feels like the forest. Like, you know, it feels like the this is this is like I can go camping here. You know what I'm saying? Like just the the roads look like real, nothing is fake, it's not a set. Real leaves on the ground, real twigs and sticks, they didn't have to dress nothing up. They just took the camera and made the shot. Yeah, woods in part four is great, especially how close the Jarvis house is to the cabin, is to the woods, to the lakehouse, all connected. Brilliant for me.
SPEAKER_02My two add-ons.
SPEAKER_00The add-ons gotta go with the barn from part three. I mentioned it out swinging rope scene, scared the crap out of me as a kid. The barn still works. It's just it's an iconic scene. Yeah, I just love the barn. And wrapping up with one I just finished talking about because you reminded me RV from part six. It's just a heavy metal blast of a segment. So my perfect camp crystal lake, you got the lake from part one, the Jarvis House from part four, the woods from part four, the barn from part three, as my add-on and my last add-on, the RV from part six.
SPEAKER_02All right, that's a that's a fantastic list. But you know what's amazing about it? Unlike episode one, where we had very similar lists, only one of those five I agreed with.
SPEAKER_00So Okay, cool.
SPEAKER_02We got yeah, it'll be fun. Okay, so my lake is part two. Um, you don't see it a lot in part two, but like I said, there's that beach scene where they're down there, and uh, and it just looks like a nice fun blue lake. Again, the aesthetic of the summer day felt really realistic and kind of uh hit home with me. So I I liked part two, even if it was just for a little bit. So um, all right, shelter part three, the house that burned down. Um, I I loved it, man. It it just it it looked so fun to me, like you know, when they were just you know, like the spiral staircase. Um, it just looked real, it looked it looked like a place I wanted to go. Part three aesthetically is like one of my favorites, and again, yet, like as you said, you know, very brown. I I I don't know why I'm drawn to the aesthetics of part three, but I am, and that house is part of it. Um, you know, that the fireplace there, and just picturing them hanging out, like making popcorn, all that kind of stuff was just I don't know, it all kind of worked. It reminded me of going away and and and uh with some friends, and it just kind of brought it all together there. Um, honorable mention, I don't know if we didn't say this, but honorable mention to part one where they played Monopoly in that place. That was kind of fun too. The woods, I'm giving to part one. Again, I just loved the dark depth that part one had. It had um it had the warmth of summer, even though it was kind of turning, but it had the warmth of summer, but it looked like a real deep, deep north kind of uh going up north kind of feel, and uh, you know, the ominous woods and you know, and the camp just I don't know, just felt like it was completely embedded in it, and I love that. Alright, add-ons. Add-ons. I gotta go with the barn. I'm gonna that one we agree on. Uh I'm not gonna say much more on it. I think the barn is uh I I'd say a lot of people would have this on there, but sometimes maybe you love it or you hate it. Because I know part three does get a lot of uh hate as well. So, but definitely the barn. And my second add-on is the bar. I love the bar in part two. Um, you know, just a parking lot where they're parking, just a quick little shot, and just like sign me up. I'm going there for the night. Like, you know, and I I ain't a big drinker, but what the hell? We're at Camp Crystal Lake. I'm going for uh I'm gonna go for a drink, hang out with Ted for a little bit, and then uh if I'm smart, I'll stay with Ted. Um, but anyways, yeah, I love the bar. So to sum it up, my lake is part two, my shelter is part three, my woods is part one, my add-on is the barn and the bar. So I only use three films. I just realized that. I I didn't even go to four or six, which surprises me actually, because really love the settings of those two films. But uh um, yeah, so that's uh that's that. So let us know who's who built the better camp. Whose camp are you going to? You going to Jason's camp or you going to your friendly neighborhood Uncle Pete's camp?
SPEAKER_00Would anybody choose any any location from part seven and later on?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's a good yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you and I stayed the first six, you know, mostly the first four. I mean, 90% of our picks are the first four films.
SPEAKER_02That's true, yeah. That'd be interesting, right? If someone says, yeah, no, I like the well, I don't know what you'd pick from part nine, but anyway, we won't go there. Well, that's locations. And if we didn't cover it all, let us know. And we'll we'll probably cover it in lots of other shows, lots of crossover with certain shows. Um, but that is it for locations. We will now turn our attention to a fun segment called If They Survived. A segment where we take characters and we we bring them back to life, so to speak. We we say, Hey, listen, you did survive. This is what happened to them. This is their life after camp. And this is a fun one. We both uh we both are looking forward to this segment. We're gonna carry it out in uh several episodes, and uh this is the first one. So for this, uh I have Ned from part one and Melissa from part seven.
SPEAKER_00Uncle Pete, you have I had Jimbo from part four and Alan Rushak from part six.
SPEAKER_02Alright, so who are you going with first? We'll start off with you.
SPEAKER_00I'm gonna go with Jimbo from part four. So got my little notes here. So Jimbo searched for the corkscrew, took him outside. He was on a post-coital haze from his you know recent love making. So he couldn't find a cross screw, so he was gonna go to the Jarvis house to see if he can borrow one of their corkscrews against he is able to escape the murder at Crystal Lake. So this gives him a new lease on life. He's like, Man, I really have to make life, I don't want to be a dead F. So he's going to he's gonna try and show off his new dance skills. He's like, you know what, I had a blast dancing. So he goes on the gong show and wins. Everybody loves the way that Jim dances, so he goes on to the gong show and wins. It's called the not a DF dance. Takes off, he becomes a superstar, dance, and he actually becomes a dance choreographer from Madonna and Prince. So he does this for most of his life, and in his retirement, Big Jim uh now is a judge on the new 2026 version of Dance Fever.
SPEAKER_02That was great. I didn't I didn't know he had it in him, but uh good for him.
SPEAKER_00Not a DF dance.
SPEAKER_02No, no, that was that was awesome. That was awesome. So uh I will start off with uh with Ned. Ned is a little bit more exciting but straightforward. Um so Ned uh left camp. He was rattled by what happened to him, obviously, and for a few years he recoiled from family and friends, but slowly recovered and went back to college before dropping out. Uh he found his calling, he channeled his pain and trauma and became a stand-up comedian. Uh he had some uh low-level success and uh and then actually caught a big break. He started in 1985 he opened for Sam Kinison. Uh and uh it was then after that Sam introduced him to some people, he tried his hand at acting, and uh, you know, he was kind of floating around in the acting world, but uh it didn't really do too well. But he did peak. He actually uh landed two episodes of in 1990, he landed two episodes of Knott's Landing. So uh that was good for Ned. But, you know, realizing it wasn't for him, he uh uh he decided to retire from acting. And what all uh great actors that don't find uh life on the screen do, he started teaching acting. Uh he married in 1996 uh Kathy, and they have one son and one daughter, and he and his wife uh still lived a married modest life in Kentucky. Uh currently he is writing a book and looking for a publisher, so that could be exciting. And the book is uh called Little Neddy Goes to Camp. So that's something we got to look forward to. Hopefully, he finds a publisher, hopefully he finishes his book. But he's doing well and he's in Kentucky, so happy for Ned. Happy for him.
SPEAKER_00Happy for Ned, man. Good job, Ned.
SPEAKER_02Yep. All right, so we move on to Horseshack Alan Hawes.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, good old Alan from part six. This one, it's a little bit of a darker turn, unfortunately. So instead of hitting Jason on the back of the head with the shovel, Alan just runs and hides when Jason goes after Tommy. He's being a coward. This gives Alan time to escape. Now, he can't go back to the sanitarium. That's the last place he would go. He's trying to get out of that place. So he actually hitchhikes to Illinois to visit his cousin, who just so happens to be a member of the cult of Thorn. His first meeting he attends to, he witnesses a ceremony performed on a baby with a large man with the white mask just watching in the background. So, and also the side note so and uh sorry, I gotta get my notes. So On Halloween, he finds a beaten body with a white mask laying on the floor, and still traumatized by what happened and being influenced by the cult of Thorn, he picks this mask up and places it over his head and walks out into the darkness. But a side note on that, now, since he wasn't killed, a body wasn't found in the grave when the the gravedigger's like, oh, he left it open because the body was actually missing. Sheriff saw this. He calls in the National Guard who actually tracked down Jason because they know what happened in the past. National Guard cornered Jason and they obliterate him into Ash. So Jason is actually killed. And Rorschach is a new villain with the shapely mask.
SPEAKER_02Wow, that is that that took a turn. Okay, that's interesting. That's good stuff. Um, so I I guess, you know, uh Horschack or Alan Hawes, uh running away was the best thing that could happen for uh Camp Crystal Lake. And who knew? But what is he up to? Yeah, that's it's it's kind of uh we gotta watch out for him. All right, so we probably kind of maybe wish he died. I don't know. But anyways, uh that's that's gonna happen because we don't know. We don't know what these people and and Melissa was a polarizing character, very good looking uh uh portrayal, obviously, uh, but she was the the bitch. And um, you know, some of that is represented in in her future. So she she ended up uh going home with us a broken arm and two broken ribs and no axe in the head, obviously. Uh she tried to return to her job as a retail manager. Uh oddly she wasn't too affected uh by the traumatic experience. I mean, she she was handling it, you know, as best she could. I mean, it wasn't a gravy, you know, a gravy, it wasn't a cakewalk for her, but um she continued to model, I we didn't know this, but uh part-time, uh, before meeting up with the lead guitarist of the hit band Fuselodge. Um the two the two moved to LA, uh, married, and uh divorced two years later. She scored big in the settlement uh and swiftly met a rich businessman uh who was high who's a high-end real estate investor in the Los Angeles area. Uh they married uh in 1998. They had uh they married in 1998, they had four kids, and while being filthy rich, Melissa matured and she became uh a prideful mom and you know did was doing very well for herself until the puppy incident of 2006. This this one traumatized her even more than Jason. Uh she basically ran over uh a puppy in her neighborhood while driving her Porsche and uh you know didn't go over too well in the neighborhood, obviously. So uh she did end up going to therapy where she then developed an affair with her doctor, uh Dr. Sam Waxman. Uh it became a scandal because it got out there. Uh now Melissa's man, he actually was pretty compassionate, stayed with her. But uh it gets weird now. In 2008, while on vacation in Belize, hurt with her husband, Melissa went missing. And uh despite a wealthy search, uh, she was never found, and it's presumed that she had passed away. She has passed away, uh, but still it's not confirmed, and uh she leaves behind her husband and four kids. So it that's kind of uh it's unfortunate.
SPEAKER_00I mean it kind of sounds like she had a dark turn and a Yeah, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02We did. Yeah, a foray into uh entertainment industry. Um but this one kind of it it I didn't even realize it until you know documenting uh Melissa's uh future story, but it kind of mimics uh Susan Jennifer Sullivan who plays Melissa. I'm not too sure if you know about this, but uh well the the consensus was she died, I think, in in 2008, 2009.
SPEAKER_00I remember from Crystal Lake Memories I talked about this year.
SPEAKER_02Right, yeah, but then there's also a rumor that she is alive. Um now she has there's a she has a Facebook page, it's supposed to be an official one, but but there is a rumor that she's just alive and she just separated herself from this. So um it was kind of funny how that kind of mirrors, and uh in anyways, uh that's that's what's happened to Melissa. If if in future episodes we find out anything more, if like you know, I mean it's it's this happened what 2008, so it's a cold case, but if it uh if it heats up, you'll you'll hear it first here on the Crazy Ralph podcast. Uh and uh I guess the same thing with Hawes because man, that guy's a loose cannon and he's out there. So um I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Uh cult of thorns sounded kind of sketchy, so I don't Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Usually you throw cult in front of anything. You could throw cult in front of an apple, and it sounds kind of sketchy, right? Like it's um, but uh anyways, we hope you enjoyed this uh segment. We're gonna we have some fun with this one. Why not?
SPEAKER_00What did I say? Dance fever. That's won the gong show.
SPEAKER_02That's good stuff.
SPEAKER_00For you young guys, if you don't know what the gong show is, Jason, I just old, just look it up.
SPEAKER_02Well, you know, we we we kinda yeah, we uh we we had to go with the time frame, right? Like, you know, it's the same thing with me picking, you know, Sam Kinison. It's you know, it's exactly it was the time frame of you know when uh Ned became a stand-up comedian. It it's just the way it goes. Um, anyways, that is it for this episode of uh the Crazy Ralph Podcast. We hope you enjoyed it, and uh we're kind of we're gonna kind of uh up the ante on the next episode. Since we're on the topic of locations, we are going to have a special interview with a YouTuber who has been to 10 out of the 12 Friday the 13th locations. He's gonna come on and join and share his stories, and we're looking forward to that. His name is Scott on tape. Uh, if you're not uh following on YouTube, you should and you should look up uh his episodes so when we talk about them, you'll know what uh what's what.
SPEAKER_00Uncle Pete, any part and words? Uh no, just appreciate you guys watching. Don't forget to let us know what your perfect can't would be. And you heard our takes on if they survived, be inventive, throw some comments down there, have fun with it, pick a character and say what would happen if they survived. It's let your imagination run wild and let's see what y'all can come up with.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely, and until next episode, I'll say goodbye, happy camping, and so long.