The Many Looks of Jason - The Crazy Ralph Podcast - EP 4

Over the years, the mask of Jason Voorhees has been cemented in film lore as one of the most iconic images in movie history. That being said, not many recurring film characters have undergone as many physical changes—from a bald little kid to a zombified monster and everything inbetween.

On this show, the boys break down the many looks of Jason and even discuss some theories and logic behind them.

Join the conversation and share your opinions below.


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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:05

Welcome to the Crazy Ralph Podcast. I'm Jason. And I'm your friendly neighborhood, Uncle Pete. So, episode four. We've made it uh further than most people probably would have uh thought. Um and this is gonna be a real fun one. I probably say that a lot, but it is. Uh this is the um excuse me, I'm coming off a chest called, so I apologize. Um this is the many looks of Jason. And uh so we're not gonna really talk about the actors and the performances. That'll be in another episode. Uh, but we're gonna just talk about uh wardrobe, the plain and simple. Um and uh speaking of speaking of which, you're uh you're a New York guy, right?

SPEAKER_02 0:55

Uh born in New York, live in California now, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:57

Okay, are you a Yankees fan? I just realized I'm wearing a Yankees hat.

SPEAKER_02 1:01

Not that much into baseball since MJ's was uh was born in Wisconsin, so I kind of bipartisan and like a Brewers fan. I won't do the Cubs like my daughter. She's a Cubs fan, but I'm like, no.

SPEAKER_00 1:12

No, no, okay, all right. Okay, it's like I'm hoping that this isn't gonna like you know spark something because I honestly it's just a black hat. I need a haircut, and uh and I I feel like I'm I'm always um hair not ready for this podcast, and uh, I gotta get a smart enough. Um gotta yeah, it's uh old hat, but uh it's serving a purpose right now. All right. So um but before we begin uh talking about the many looks of Jason, I'm gonna throw it to you, Pete. We got some news in the Friday world.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

Yeah, so I think it's just just this past March. I give we're getting more information about the Crystal Lake series that I believe um is gonna be on Paramount. I'm not 100% like I sorry I missed out on there. But um there's not a lot of information on it, which is kind of weird. They're keeping a lot of it hush-hush. Like we don't know how much Jason's gonna be part of it. I mean, can they pull off an origin story for Pamela? Is that what people want to see in Crystal Lake? I mean, I think Crystal Lake people want to see Jason, not Pamela.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

So Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:18

I'm a little iffy on this show. I'm like, I'm gonna go on, I'm gonna obviously I'm gonna be watching it, but they're keeping it like tight-lipped on a lot like the plot, really, even.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:29

As far as what's like who's gonna be in the mainstay? Is it gonna be Pamela? We're gonna have a teenage Jason learning how to kill, like a Dexter situation.

SPEAKER_00 2:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:37

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

Yeah, and and you know, um did they have a release date for that? I think. Um I'm looking right now. I think it's December 20. Uh it's December of this year. So it could be just the fact that they're a little bit early into it. Um, yeah, so it's gonna be on Peacock, I think. I heard.

SPEAKER_02 2:57

Okay, Peacock, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:59

And uh, you know, obviously the biggest news is the casting of Pamela uh Orhe's which is uh Linda Carlini. And um that's cool. I mean, a little bit younger, kind of go with the sexy thing. Like it's like the the sexy ain't May, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

Let's uh let's get uh Marissa Tomei to change the dynamic here. And then let's get uh let's get uh Velma to uh spice up the uh Jason thing. So I don't know how that yeah, uh obviously you go you go younger, you go with a bigger star. Pamela's gonna be a a major player in that. Um but we'll keep an eye on on the news and we'll talk about it as it's uh as it uh shows up. But like you said, right now there's really not a heck of a lot, just some stills that came out.

SPEAKER_02 3:46

Um And even with like the supposedly everyone keeps saying we're gonna get another Friday the 13th movie, but they've been saying that for decades now, since the remake in 2009. I'm not giving up hope, but it's like we still can't get anything ironclad. Like director studio bam is making a Friday the 13th movie. I know they just recently announced a new the director for Texas, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Another reboot.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

Yeah. So yeah, yeah, no, it's uh and and then there's uh yeah, there was um Sean Cunningham. You know, God bless him. I mean, I think he's like around 85 or so, like you know, and he wants to uh he wants to bring Jason back. Um I remember seeing that, I think uh I put it out on the Instagram page, and there's like uh wants to bring it back old school, whatever something like that. I'm paraphrasing and quoting at the same time. Um you know, so there is grumblings about Friday the 13th these days, which is kind of cool. It's kind of good for us. Um stop talking about it, it sure does, and it will as the year goes on. You know, we're gonna be we're here for the long haul, so you know, as as news breaks, we'll talk about it and uh obviously want to hear what people have to say about um about uh the the news and what they think. I mean, obviously, you know, uh kind of like a prequel or or whatever it's setting up to be. I think it's kind of a cool idea. I don't know how much legs it has, like, you know, and I don't know how much the patience level is. And we talked about this before, like, you know, people really um uh oddly enough have such a low tolerance for anything Friday the 13th without a hockey mask associated with it. I it's it's kind of uh I don't understand it, but obviously it goes to show how powerful that that image of uh Jason is. Yeah. Which is a great segment to uh the many looks of Jason. Um sorry, do you have anything else? I didn't want to cut you off.

SPEAKER_02 5:54

No, that's it. Yeah, it just yeah, it's just it's like it's almost like no news is good news because we don't know yet.

SPEAKER_00 5:59

So Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 6:00

Hopefully, I think they really want to hash everything the way I'm looking at it. Hopefully, they're just waiting until they really have something solid. They don't want to just throw some crap out there like we've seen with other franchises in the past. Hey, we're gonna lose the rights. So let's throw some garbage out there so we don't lose the rights.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we'll see. Uh it's it's a franchise that's uh done things the hard way many times, but uh we we still love it regardless. But uh alright, so and once again I'm gonna ask everybody just to uh bear with me if I uh if I do struggle a little bit. Uh I I I could we didn't record last week because I was in the thick of this and I don't want to harp on it, but at the same time I want uh I want some pity for my coughs and not some criticism. So um so yeah, so we're gonna we're gonna go dive right into it. Uh so it it's really funny um when you have a franchise, a horror franchise like this, and we were just talking about it. It's kind of um ironic, right? You have the the iconic image of the hockey mask, which nobody can do without. However, within that there have been many looks for Jason, many looks for that hockey mask, too. Yes. Um and uh and we're gonna talk about them. Uh we're we'll jump around, but uh obviously part one is his logical spot to to uh to start. And you know, so you know, part one, uh just it was actor was Ari Lehman, um uh popular popular Jason does a lot of fan expos and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 7:39

Yeah, he's probably like the most prolific, like popular like Jason actor that that's out there. Like he loves the cons.

SPEAKER_00 7:46

Yeah, he does. He definitely does. And I think he has it was it was his band First Jason or something like that. I think he is uh Yeah, something like that. I think it's called First Jason if it's if I'm wrong on that, I I apologize. Um again, uh it was so sick, right? So I couldn't even do my homework on this. But um and uh you know, Tom Savini did the makeup for this one. So uh it was um I I'll let you start with the the original OG.

SPEAKER_02 8:13

I mean, obviously part one was just uh a jump out of the lake, but uh yeah, so with his look, there's not much to go on because it's only a few seconds he actually gets screen time. You know, she's in the canoe paddling distilled waters, you think the movie's over, and then bam! Great jump scare. Again, that's one of those films I wish I could have watched it in the theater, not knowing any clue what was gonna happen first time, like in 1980. That would have been killer. Like that jump scare to really, you know, jump you out of your seat. It it's creepy, unsettling, because normally you don't see a child like super deformed like that. It's unsettling. Yeah, adults is dead thing, but to see a child, I think it makes it even more unsettling. And like, what's this kid doing like? He just grabbed in. Was it a dream or whatnot?

SPEAKER_01 8:59

So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:00

Great look, great way to end the film, and they didn't show too much, they showed just enough and then stopped.

SPEAKER_00 9:06

Yep. Uh you like the look?

SPEAKER_02 9:08

Yeah, it's good.

SPEAKER_00 9:10

Yeah, I know. I I was thinking about it, and I was like, you know, what what would I have liked to have seen other than that? You know, and part of it is I guess, you know, I that that image is in my life for as long as I can remember being around. So, you know, you really have nothing else to go on. But uh, you know, I love it. I um, you know, the bald look was just like unique, right? You know, how many kids are like have that kind of uh mongoloid, I've heard, look. And yes um just enough deformity.

SPEAKER_02 9:44

Um where it's like believable, but not like it's not like so over the top, like yeah, that would never happen. It's like nope, that that's a hundred percent believable.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

Yeah, and that's that's a testament to Tom Savini who tries to uh uh keep it grounded in reality, which is uh um I think worked, you know, he dirted him up enough. Not really much to talk about. Doesn't have an outfit. I mean he's naked pretty much. I guess he's got some shorts on under there. But uh really not too much to uh to dive in there, but uh so one of the funny things, and we one I I I really look forward to this episode. It's way down at the not the end of the season, but you're gonna have to keep watching, but we're gonna talk about the continuity of Friday 13th, and and that is something special. Um, you know, trying I was trying to like decipher ages, like, you know, for each look, and and that's one of the toughest things for Friday the 13th, is actually pinning ages to the Jason. So I'm not even gonna go there right now. Maybe we could talk about that in the continuity episode, but um you know, uh just kind of going over that, like you he was um you know, disguises for the most part, he was you know, no mask, uh no clothes, and uh and we move on. Part two um is grown up. Now he's about five it's f it takes place about five years after the first Friday 13th. Uh I don't know if the the size matches up, but we won't go too deep into that. But um part two is kind of interesting because it's a look uh for Jason from in many ways that is not embodied in any other horror uh Friday 13th film. So it's got either you know people who love it or people who don't like it. I think most people are on the side of like they love it, they uh they understand what it is. Um you, if I'm not mistaken, you really love this look, right?

SPEAKER_02 11:44

I I I do love it because I love the town that dreaded sundown, and I could see what they were going for. Like, again, I'll have little props. I just think it works well. It's kind of like it's kind of like backwoods. He just threw this sacquer over his head to cover up his deformity. You know, how does he look as an adult with this deformity? You only see one eye, it's dirty, and it's like it's featureless, which it's the same thing with the hockey mask, which you know adds to the level of fear and everything. But yeah, it's it's backwoods. He's wearing overalls, a plaid shirt. It just fits really well with him living in the woods by himself right now, and he's just gonna throw this type of stuff together. And the sack really works because those close-up shots, when you just see his eyeball, it's a little scary. It's terrifying that the eye, you know, they say it opens to the soul. I mean, obviously in Black Christmas, you see the eye at the end, it's scary. Those shots of just one eyeball is unsettling because normally you always see two. So I think the psychology now really works as well with the sack only having one eye. So I really do love it.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

Yeah. I uh I I mean I think it it it's a logical outfit, right? Like, you know, it's like this is something that he would have dug up or you know, killed off of someone. Um and uh and it fits the environment. So I think from being la like thinking of from it logically, um yeah, I like it. And the sack, I mean, obviously, you know, Jason's self-conscious, right? You know, he's he he was put through the ringer, apparently, and he was made fun of, and and he wants to cover up. And uh my only thing is is the uh I like I love the sack. I I just think the functionality of it sometimes bothers me. I'm like, is he too dumb to kind of carve out that other eye hole or is his eye so badly damaged that it doesn't matter if there's another eye hole there? Yeah um so I just I I think like you know if that were me running around with a sack, it'd be very, very frustrating. So kudos to Jason for making it work. Um but uh I I I love it.

SPEAKER_02 13:53

I think stylistically, like reality, like if you put a sack on your head, that eye is gonna shift as your head is moving around, it's not gonna be stationary. So I think that was one of the documentaries. I say that it was difficult they had to like put double-sided tape on the inside, so it would actually stay on his face. So the functionality is not that great. So I would I'll take some points off of the functionality of it. But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:18

And uh and then at the end, obviously there's the reveal with his face, um, which I I always liked. I I kind of thought, like, you know, because it's funny, actually, I saw part three and four before I saw part two. So going back to part two, when I saw it, I was like, oh, that's different. Like, you know, but it kind of looked like that younger kind of version of a guy, like, you know, and you know, he had long scrappy hair. Um, you know, he was he was a ginger. Um he uh and you know he had the the the s the scruff, and but it looked like an evolution of the first makeup, I thought. Like, you know, especially the one side, the the more deformed side. I thought it was uh I thought it was really well done. What did you think of his face on in part two?

SPEAKER_02 15:07

It was again unlike the m like you said, I think you hit the nail on the head. It looks like this is the older version of the guy that Ari played in the first one. With his maturity, long hair, like the shift in where the eye was down low, other ones up a little high. It and it's unsettling to look at. You know, obviously the hair is gonna be all messed up. He's not sitting there with the bick, you know, shaven up. So it just it it really worked well with that. Granted, he wouldn't have a full beard because he's not that old yet. Yeah, but like the little scruff on his face, the hair being all messed up, it again, it's like it's more believable. I I think it works well.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

I think funny enough, like you know, as we're talking about it, I really think like there's logic to how they built this Jason. Like we just wouldn't we kind of we're talking through it, right? The outfit makes sense, it looks like something from that uh, you know, from that he would wear fine or whatever, the uh evolution, the scruffiness and everything like that. Whereas, you know, the iconic look that we all got used to um you know is almost arbitrary in comparison to like part two. It's it seems more grounded in like you know um a reality. And uh yeah, I mean I love part two because I again I don't I I don't need my Jason in a mask, uh hockey mask, although obviously I love that, but I can appreciate this film without a hockey mask and really, really enjoy it. And I I I just love how you know it builds. It builds to the look of of of Jason, right? It's like it'd be like Freddie getting his glove in part three, right? Like it's kind of it's it's weird to think, like, you know, or um you know, or even Michael Myers getting his mask and and I mean the character's most popular look wasn't solidified to the third movie. Yeah, yeah. It's interesting. And arguably one of the most iconic uh looks in the in horror films, uh, or in films even. Um alright, so uh anything you want to add to part two, again, we'll probably couple.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

I like how you tag you tagged in and saying it's one of the most iconic. You show anybody a you should anybody a Jason mask, say name a horror movie guaranteed. Some people may miss miss Halloween. They may not I just think the familiarity of the way the hockey mask, which we're gonna get into the next movie, is synonymous with Friday the 13th.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

Yeah, I I I can't agree more, and it's not even a biased opinion, it's just fact. Um that's what we do we what we try to do on this show. We try to bring in the facts. Actually, that's not true. You know, that's one thing I want to talk about with uh a podcast, because you know, sometimes you watch these podcasts and you have these hosts that like you know hammer home all this, like, you know, well, in the 67th frame of the fifth scene, you're gonna see what the director was trying. And we're not gonna do that. We're uh we're not I'm not saying we're gonna do a you know a view of from 30,000 feet, but I we will get you know a fact wrong here and there. I'm not gonna pretend that I I know every single detail of Friday the 13th. You know, it's funny because I uh out of everybody I knew growing up, I was the Friday the 13th guy, uh everybody Jason, whatever, and I was like I had so much Friday facts. I was strong on my game. Along comes social media, and I don't know about you, but like social media makes you realize that there are people out there that live and breathe certain things and uh and all kinds of things from sports to whatever, and you realize how holy crap, like as much as I know about this, as much as I I think I know about this, there's people that actually know more dead with this stuff. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 19:05

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

It is, it is, it's it's impressive, it's kind of scary and sad, but it's uh it's awesome too. Um all right, so part three comes along. And uh and w it's it's tough to stay on topic sometimes because part uh again with the continuity and all that stuff. But part three is one of those things that um you know I I I thought it was kind of weird in a in a sense because you got the same director, Steve Minor, who did part two, doing this the very next year. And and I just found the the continuity of Jason was so uh thrown out the window. And you know, like I don't know, like I mean, if you were directing a film, right, and you got this killer, the next movie I don't know, would you would you think to just completely abort the the look and everything? Given the fact given the fact that it's days later in the storyline as well. Yeah. Right? So like But we're not gonna go there, because that's continuity. We're not gonna go there with the continuity. We'll we'll get to that in a in a future episode, teasing that episode like crazy. We're gonna have to make it a double. But my uh my thing is like I and I ask you, I'm asking you again, as a filmmaker, what could be uh this is probably a better way to go about it, what could be his thought process?

SPEAKER_02 20:35

See, like I could understand when uh like in the beginning where on the clothesline you see the green shirt and tan pants.

SPEAKER_01 20:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:41

Killer. Yeah, he steals it, redress himself, try, but I don't know, I can't answer that question because he goes from all that long, shaggy ginger hair, like again, did he get a bick and shave? Did he get a how did he cut his hair where it's like bald? Yeah, did he pull a Tommy Jarvis in number four and start shaving his head in the mirror? Or it's like, what did he do during this time? That he didn't go grab shaving cream and a straight razor and and clean himself up so you couldn't recognize him. Like in all those spy movies, the guy gets oh, he's gotta dye his hair so he can hide himself. Yeah, yeah. Is that what he was going for? Like he changed his clothes, but yeah, I don't know why like the long.

SPEAKER_00 21:23

Maybe you hit the nail on the head there. Maybe Jason was like, Okay, they're looking for they're looking for me. I gotta I gotta change things up here.

SPEAKER_02 21:30

Maybe never mind this, they're just worried about the hair.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

I think there's two ways, I think there's two explanations for this. I think one, you nailed it. I think if you're looking at it, you're like, okay, he's he's he's on the lamb, he's he's hot. You we g he's gotta change his image. Like, you know, even he knows this. That's one. Sadly, I think the more realistic uh uh uh story is probably a guy like Steve Minor who Really didn't love from what I've read, um, you know, being associated with these films too too much. Um probably just didn't care, probably took it as a job maybe to kind of uh direct and prob maybe didn't have the the you know the fe the care to add the feedback that was required. I would love to know. Um I would love to know. I would love to know.

SPEAKER_02 22:26

And it could have been like, I don't know, I'd have to if it tell you they talk about on Crystal Lake Memories. I don't know if it's because they changed actors. I think it was what William Gillette was in number two. Then you had Ted White. Ted White is I think he went with Ted White because Ted White was more bigger in opposing.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

In part four, though. Part three was in part four. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:42

So I think going from that steps I can see, but two to three?

SPEAKER_00 22:47

Yeah, yeah, right. It's just like I'm like Grace there. Two, three, and four are within days of each other, right? So one of the one of the looks, uh, and actually going back to part two, one of the cool things about the part two look is I I found him smaller, right? Like he looked thinner, he looked smaller, he looked younger, and that was cool because he was growing, right?

SPEAKER_02 23:09

Um he and he wasn't like super strong, like he was getting knocked around, he was getting knocked down, not you know, indestructible.

SPEAKER_00 23:19

Yeah, exactly. Uh and that was really, really cool. It was like an evolution of him, even though that at that time they didn't know it was an evolution because they were just making a movie. But but um from part two to part three, I mean he he genuinely grew like about a half a foot um and became like you know, more of a 50 pounds of muscle. Yeah, exactly. So um, but I just I I thought it was an interesting choice. Like, you know, if again, if it was a different director, if there was a lot of years in between, I can understand why you would have such a un different look. But uh anyways, we can we don't have an answer for that. Maybe someone out there does. Um part three was it also very interesting before we even get to the obvious, uh was a very interesting um film because of the two faces of Jason. Um the one that was uh created by the great Stan Winston, which wasn't used in the film. And uh and we'll put up some pictures here so everybody can kind of see. And um and then uh well and applications I have here again, thank you, Slick, um from Cabin Six, Doug White and uh Kenny Myers. So the the two faces of Jason, um uh there's a lot of like drama around that and what happened. And uh I've heard a lot of stories. Um I'm not gonna really kind of side with one or the other. Which one did you like? Did you like the Stan Winston one or did you like the one that they ended up going with in the film?

SPEAKER_02 25:02

Anytime you tell me Stan Winston, I'm uh I'm game, I'm biased because he's just the name is iconic. Stan Winston. I I preferred the Stan Winston one just a little bit. I mean, I'm I'm not gonna knock it. I can't do special effects, I don't know how they ever do it, but Stan Winston is such the stuff that he can come up with, and it's just crazy. Yeah, but Stan Winston.

SPEAKER_00 25:23

Yeah, I'm gonna go with the movie version. Um I do like the Stan Winston one. I think it was a little bit more um almost monster-like. Um and I I liked it. It's not like I didn't like it at all, but I really part three is my favorite face uh of Jason. Okay again, it it's it was just so um it was so ugly and off-putting, but not over the top, once again, you know, like I I uh this is gonna sound funny, but I knew a guy that looked like that. I mean he used to he used to visit my mom um back in the day because they used to work together, and he would always come to the door, he was an old man, he was a sweet old man, and uh and he looked like Jason from part three. And God bless him, but uh it that's I'm just saying, like, you know, when when in movies when they could look similar to like a reality, I feel there's a lot more fear in there because he's I thousand percent believe that, yes. Yeah, and I think part three has that. When he's at the window and he's like, you know, trying to break through that window and stuff like that. Um it it to me that was like one of the freakiest things like ever. Like, you know, I in in the whole Friday the 13th series, I just thought it was brilliant. Um I love that face. I love the Sam Winston one. Um I I I do think it was uh interesting. I think it just makes the lore of part three even that much more rich, which is kind of fun. Uh and we could we could we could dive into that one. Maybe we could do a deep dive in into the uh the makeups, excuse me, of part three on its own. Um Jason adopts in this film the green shirt and the the gray or blue or you know tan, whatever, depending on the internet site you're on. Um so what'd you think of that? What do you think of his look in?

SPEAKER_02 27:23

Again, he gets the he gets the hockey mask and it was based off like a Detroit Red Wings mask, which is kind of cool because if you look at those old masks, they were intimidating. Hockey's a tough sport, as you know. You know, so I like that, and I think because it's so featureless, even more so than the bag, and like you never really see his eyes that much anymore here and there, but it's kind of blacked out and it's featureless. So you don't know if he's angry, sad, scared, angry, apathetic, like nothing. It's just so featureless, and again, that brings more of the fear to it, and it's so unexpecting. Because I got that in my notes. You're in the middle of the woods by a lake. The last thing you think you would see is a hockey mask.

SPEAKER_00 28:06

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:06

It's not like in the city by the roller rink or an ice rink, it's not up in a mystery Alaska or anything like that where they play hockey. It's just in a lake in Jersey in the forest, and here's a hockey mask. You would where would I find a hockey mask? Like in a shed, maybe. But and how that and we mentioned it earlier. And one thing I do want to mention, because it's gonna go on for continuity, a little touch. I love how the axe slash is from almost all the other films.

SPEAKER_01 28:35

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:36

Because she hits him in the head with the axe, then it stays in there. This is the film where it does happen. So he only has a clean hockey mask for one film.

SPEAKER_00 28:47

Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. Um I love I love the look of Jason in this one. I love the lumbering, uh lanky kind of look of Richard Brooker. I know they patted him up a little bit, but I love that. I like when he uh I love the awkwardness of when he's chasing Chris down the down the the the hill there and stuff like that. He looks he looks real.

SPEAKER_02 29:11

It looks real, it looks like a real a little bit better too, with the awkwardness. He wasn't like this big, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

Yeah, like I I just I love the I love the look of part three. Part three is actually my favorite look um for for Jason. Um I thought, you know, it's so funny, and I you know, you kind of touched on it. Like now the hockey mask is so synonymous with horror killers film. You know, when you think about it back then, to think to put that on a killer. Like I'm just thinking about it if I'm if if I'm a director, right, and and someone comes to me and says, I got something to put on his face, let's put a hockey mask on. I'd have said no. I would have thought that would have been a dumb idea, you know, and and I don't mind saying that. Like I I would have thought, that's ridiculous. Why? Like, you know, and you know, just like uh the goalie killer, like you know, and you know, I would have been wrong, you know, and uh maybe this is one of those scenarios where the apathy of Steve Minor uh worked because someone had the idea, and I don't believe it was him, to put on a hockey mask and uh and you know legendary.

SPEAKER_02 30:29

Well who would think that would work?

SPEAKER_00 30:31

Yeah, right? It's easy to say now it because it's like everybody like knows it, but like put yourself back then. That's a weird one. Like that's that's weird. And for it to work as well as it did, you know, it's uh movie magic, right? The rest is history kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 30:49

So I would have kept the sack, I don't want to go into long, but like my idea, like maybe I would have kept the sack, so progression how the hockey mask progressed, the sack could have been burned to his head, it could have been have strips ripped off, it added more. Again, that's me. Yeah, I didn't nick the movie, but he made that hockey mask iconic.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

You're a burnt sack kind of guy, Uncle Pete. That is you. Um okay, so oddly enough, this is where I tell I you would if you were to tell me part two and three were the same filmmaker, I'd be like, really? But if you were to tell me three and four were the same filmmaker, I'd I'd probably believe it a little bit more because uh we new actor Ted White playing Jason and um but identical outfit, you know, um black nails, which how'd you feel about those nails? Those black nails in part four?

SPEAKER_02 31:41

I hated the nail in what part two when you see that black nail when he's gonna go stab it. Does it bug you? Yes, it does. So it just bugs me. That black nail. I know we're back to two that's so happy you brought that up.

SPEAKER_00 31:55

It bugs me. Like you can you don't have anybody on set that has doesn't I know okay, it adds. I don't know. It bugs me too.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

I'm I'm happy to hear he's he hammering up a picture and hate his thumb.

SPEAKER_00 32:09

Oh man, I'm so happy you brought that up. Okay, but the nails in part four, they're kind of polarizing. What do you thought? You like them?

SPEAKER_02 32:17

I could understand dirt, but uh I don't know if you I didn't understand the the why. I understand you want to make it look maybe you want to make him a little more dirty, but part three to four is just a hospital ride as far as the difference, really.

SPEAKER_01 32:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:32

So I I could understand if maybe if he was digging through mud or something as far as contribution, you know.

SPEAKER_00 32:38

If he got electrocuted and his nails went black.

SPEAKER_02 32:41

Maybe his nails got maybe his nails got blackened. Yeah, that's a weird one. Yeah, but then again, it's it's one of those things I really don't notice it too much, so it's okay for me to just like gloss over. I'm like, uh, okay, it's still Ted White.

SPEAKER_00 32:52

Yeah, yeah. And it was Tom Savini returning uh for this one, and he uh um, you know, obviously uh if we're gonna talk about the face of Jason, so that was different from part three, significantly different. Um the face in part four is the natural evolution of what he created in part one, which is really, really cool. Um I liked it. I know that's a face that like you know gets a lot of love, and that's why like you know, my hot take that I like part three's face better is is uh you know, is just that probably uh a unique take. Um but here's a question for our viewers and put it in the comments. What face did you like better, part three or part four? Because I always thought I was like I was in the minority, but as I talk to people, a lot of people I I've been hearing kind of agree with me. So I'm curious. I'm curious to know.

SPEAKER_02 33:50

Um but okay, so back to felt more human, four felt more monstrous, yeah, like he felt like still a little bit more human in part three. Part four felt more like it got it seemed like a little bit more bulbous, part three felt more realistic.

SPEAKER_00 34:06

Yeah, and um, but anyway, so Joe Zito was the director of this one. And yeah, I love how he just he kept the look of Jason. It would have been ridiculous for him to go from that bar into the hospital and have a different outfit. Um, so that you know that works for me. Um I uh for me the Jasons of part three and four are my love. Like that's that's the imagery I I love. I there's not as there's unfortunately not a lot of pictures. Um, you know, I think everybody's seen the same pictures of that, you know, they didn't take a lot of pictures back then. Um but I I absolutely adore the Richard Brooker and um Brooker and uh Ted White uh Jason's um and I love you know the blood the blood just like from that axe wound you were kind of saying like he just looks mad, pissed, bloody, and part four. How do you how how do you what can you say bad about part four? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

Not much. It's just it's like again, that's everybody's number one or number two because it's just got so much Ted White bursting through that door, and it's just that's hulking, like oh, this guy's moved, he's moving fast. It's just like he's after me. So it's great performance.

SPEAKER_00 35:28

Yep. Um and uh and again, just great great effects in that one, and so it's uh um you know, three and four, the double, but then we move to part five, and this again we won't go over all the story and stuff like that, but this is uh good old Roy. Roy is um uh is our killer in this one, and it's imposter Jason, so let's get that out of the way.

SPEAKER_02 35:55

Um overalls, I don't know, I mean little try to we're a little Halloween-ish. So like I I like when um the part where Tommy Jarvis is dreaming and it's muddy, you get that Jason, which is kind of cool. It just it looks like he's dirty and muddy. Evolution is great, but like Roy, even like the action figure, is like is shorter, yeah, like regular Jason. He just didn't seem yeah, he definitely wasn't as imposing. He m moved way differently, obviously different actor. I wasn't a big fan of the bald cap because it's like okay, I understand you want to make people think you're Jason, but you went out and got this bald cap and fit it to your face to make people think you're Jason, but he never had a connection to I I don't want to get too much into the weeds, but I didn't I didn't like you put the blue on there because it's the same but it's different. I just didn't understand it. Well, I love number five as a film.

SPEAKER_01 36:55

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:55

Some of the decisions I just didn't understand. If you really want to do imposter Jason, maybe go with the regular mask without the cleave in it.

SPEAKER_00 37:03

I'm gonna call you on something though. I'm gonna call you on something. I I kind of like, you know, like if you think about it, the the the mechanic outfit kind of makes sense, right? Like, I mean, he's he's he's he's a paramedic and then he's just whatever what do I have in my closet? Okay, this is it. This this is good. But here's the thing you hate in part eight when Jason comes out of the water and all of a sudden he finds a carbon copy of his mask right there. Right? So here's here's an example of like maybe Roy was out looking for the right map, the proper map.

SPEAKER_02 37:38

He's like, crap, all I got isn't fine, he couldn't have found a Detroit Red Wings, so he got like It's realistic. I know I know the St. Louis Blues, wherever's a blue hot machine.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

I think it was realistic.

SPEAKER_02 37:49

I think it was kind of that's a that's an excellent point because like obviously that that mask would have been in the news, especially because he was taken to the hospital and stuff. So maybe he he couldn't he found a St. Louis Blues instead of a Detroit Red Wings, that's why it looked differently. I never thought of that. That's good. That's a classic.

SPEAKER_00 38:06

Imposter Jason, yeah. And and I one thing again with the continuity of the mask is like, you know, again, when they did the flashbacks, it was you know, his regular mask, and we like that. Like, you know, it was it showed the contrast. At the time when you're watching it for the first time, you're a little unsure. You're like, okay, Jason has a new outfit, okay, it's the new beginning, uh, new wardrobe. Um and uh but anyways, he um um I I I liked it. I liked it for what it was worth. I kind of like that that wet bald head um of Roy. I I do have problems picturing him getting ready for a night of killing and getting that thing on his face and tucked in and everything like that. I it's it's uh yeah, a suspense of disbelief, but hey, it's Friday the thirteenth, so and I have to mention it.

SPEAKER_02 38:56

It almost looks like he had a smile on his face when he's dead on the ground and he's got those spikes to he had like a slight little grin.

SPEAKER_00 39:04

It's kind of like it was pushed up or something like that, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:07

Yeah, it that it it always bothers me.

SPEAKER_00 39:10

And like it looks like like you said, it's like a little bit like just the angle, I think. Yeah, but uh Roy. What can you say? We move on from Roy though. Uh Jason lives. So this is uh this is a turning point because this is where we get what we know now as Zombie Jason. It started in part six, and it up until the remake pretty much, it's uh it's sustained. So I'll let you unpack on this one.

SPEAKER_02 39:43

My favorite film, my favorite look, CJ Graham. I love it. I just I have this sitting on top of all my comic boxes. I want to put it in a fish tank one day. It's beautiful. And again, I'm I'm gonna I the continuity is solid just with the whole when Tommy goes to dig him up with Rorschach, and Tommy's got these gloves. He's got the tool belt because he's gonna go undig it. And then after what happens, Jason puts the tube belt on, he puts the gloves on, he's like, that's smart. Like I think most people wouldn't even, you know, most villains or demons or whatever he is by that point wouldn't think, oh, let me put these gloves on, but no, he's like, oh, I'm back to life, oh let me put on gloves and use a tool belt. It's like ingenuity, as it's like Jason shows some like ingenuity there, and I just I kind of love it. I love his look, the slash is still there, and um I love how when he gets shot with the paintballs in later films, you still see the paint splotches and the bullet holes and everything. It's just I I love this look of Jason.

SPEAKER_00 40:43

Really, eh? So I'm I'm a little on the fence. I'm a little on the fence with Jason uh part six. Uh I thought CJ Graham was like a beast, but I thought it didn't really show because he was tucked in. I didn't I I okay, so my issues with Jason in in part six are he's tucked in. Um I wasn't a fan of the utility belt. I know we differ on opinion on the we have different difference of opinion on this. I wasn't a fan of that utility belt. Um Although I was at least he utilized it, you know. It wasn't just like Yeah, he did use like the little stuff. So that I liked. I I did like that he he used it. I didn't like the gloves. Now for me, one of the things with the gloves is the colors. I just didn't like that. Like it was kind of like a beige yellow. Like yellow gardening gloves, almost like I was just like, that just doesn't, you know, that doesn't work for me. The other thing is, and again, this is like you know part of just the they customized masks for the actors and stuff. I found the part six was just like a big round mask. Like it was very I didn't think it was too contoured to a face, to the face, like you know, and I obviously it's probably CJ's.

SPEAKER_02 41:59

Oh, okay. I I'm no I'm picturing it now, like I I see what you're saying, like it wasn't it didn't do like the on the sides like you would think. It was just kind of like Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 42:08

I I'm trying to look up to see if I have my part six one here. I don't have it round.

SPEAKER_02 42:13

That's just you know this is just signed by Graham, but I think like it was like kind of out like this a little bit exactly.

SPEAKER_00 42:19

Exactly, yeah. Yeah. I uh do I have it here? I have so many here, and I don't have that one here. But anyways, um so those there there were a couple of things I just didn't like about part six. Um I love that they kept the color scheme of his outfit together. Um and then, you know, I I even though you don't really get to see it in the graveyard, his face at the very beginning, um you really don't get to see it. Uh especially when I first saw it on VHS, it was very, very dark. And um, you know, since then, DVD, Blu-ray, all the all that magic, they've they've been able to kind of like bring it out of the dark. And uh and I love it. I love that look. I think it's a cool, cool look. Um Brian Wade was uh responsible for the sculpt of that. Um and uh yeah, I I and I got let's see here, I got uh version one, the Bradley Hood sculpt Brian Wade actor uh Dan Bradley. Yeah, that's right, that's right. There was two actors for this for a little while before CJ kind of took over. Um they replaced uh this Dan Bradley. But um, anyways, I thought part six had a little bit of a look that I wasn't a big fan of, and it's funny how you think it was.

SPEAKER_02 43:39

No, that that's what I like about this this podcast. Yeah, we don't have to agree on everything, you know.

SPEAKER_00 43:44

That's what I love about it. Alright, so part seven happens. Yeah, and while part seven is not necessarily on record for being the greatest Friday 13th installment, Jason's look is absolutely Adored, appreciated, beyond and yeah, and I mean I'll I'll let you go on to start.

SPEAKER_02 44:10

Yeah, so obviously I have it. He looks like he's been in the water for years, his clothes are torn. When he gets out of the water and you see the spine, yeah, and another a detail a lot of people miss is the mask is chipped because when the boat propeller hit him in the neck and it snapped the mask. And again, I love the continuity with that. Obviously, played by arguably one of the most well-known Jason actors, you know, Kane Hotter. He's a he's an intimidating man. He made Jason look scary. I'll say CJ Graham didn't really make Jason look as scary as Kane Hotter did. Kane Hotter was great. Even though those films are a little misaligned and not the best, he made Jason look scary.

SPEAKER_00 44:57

Yeah. He had the mass, like it was just like he was a thick dude.

SPEAKER_02 45:01

He knows how to move. It's like he knows how to move.

SPEAKER_00 45:05

Yeah, he brought a style to it, and you know, he he pounds his chest with, you know, the the the the things that he brought to the role, and rightfully so, because like they're very identifiable. Um, you know, like if someone's pretending to be Jason scaring their friends, they're likely doing the Kane Hodder, Jason, right? Like, you know, and and and he he just loved it so much. So we'll we'll save that for what the actors, but the look of Jason in this one, um, you know, was a kid's dream, right? You always want tattered and ripped. So when I saw it when I was a kid, and he just looked like the it was like heaven. It was like, oh man, that is a look. How do I look back at the green shirt and and you know and and trousers that he was wearing in three and four?

SPEAKER_02 45:54

He looked all clean and like iron.

SPEAKER_00 45:56

It's just like and only through years of you know coming back and appreciating the early work, um, you know, uh was I able to let that go. But when you know I part seven was was scaling Everest, right? It was it was summoning Everest. And uh, you know, that was uh John Beakler who directed and um created the look, and um and he was instrumental in in what became so great about that look, and that was that every detail that you know was in the face, that uh every wound, every every you know he used common sense to just sculpt and build something that made sense and and then on top of that talk about a guy who's on his game. You know, there's a scene towards the end where Jason gets the gas on him and blows up in the house, and then you see him again on the dock, and if you look, his he his face is burnt even more, and it's it's actually like it's not like you know he just kind of stumbles out with the same great makeup. No, his face is burnt, his skin is actually sheared back even more. It was just brilliant attention to detail. Um, you know, maybe one day we'll see the film with all its you know its edits removed. Yeah, there's some good kills that they and uh that would be a beautiful thing. But um, anyways, yeah, uh Chef's Kiss to part seven.

SPEAKER_02 47:35

I don't know what no problems with it, it looks great.

SPEAKER_00 47:42

So which brings us to part eight, and part eight is so there's excuse me.

SPEAKER_02 47:50

If you told me it was the same actor, I would have said really, because to me, part eight, he looks smaller. You think so is he looks a little smaller, and obviously he's just wet the entire he's slimy and wet. Which I I just it I don't he just slimy and wet, and he just so happens to find an identical mask. I don't want to get too much into the on a sidetrack, but it it it pains me to criticize anything Kane Hotter did. I know it wasn't him, he did the best he could, but I just didn't dig the look. It was just he was too black and slimy.

SPEAKER_00 48:26

I I I didn't mind it. Like I I I like the wet look. I didn't like how his clothes kind of like got you know more filled in, and like you know, obviously that was for makeup reasons and stuff like that. Yeah. He just changed and put on a new shirt. Exactly, but with a few rips here and there, but he had kind of a cool look. Uh the the mask was oddly yellow in that one. I didn't like that. And and I've said this before, I've touched on this before. Like, I mean, his face at the end when he gets unmasked is is just it's it's comedy. It's like it's a pumpkin. And I I I just you know I'm I'm looking, okay. I'm just looking here. Oh, that I mean feel free, chat away about uh what your take is. I mean you kind of already did, but like what am I alone on this? Like the no, it's just kind of like I said, yeah, masculine.

SPEAKER_02 49:20

He moved I get it. I would I'd be hard to believe it was Kane Hotter. It just didn't feel like the same actor. He was more imposing in part seven. He looked bigger, I think he moved a little bit differently in in this one, but again, uh, we're just talking about straight looks. Yeah, I I agree with Derek and you said, but it just didn't maybe because I'm aligned on the movie, I really don't care for it. Yeah, man, that doesn't really matter. It's just the kind of it's and I we've talked about it in the past the fact that Kane Hotter is in four films, unfortunately, they're not the highest uh films in the franchise. I mean, it grows would you if you love him, God bless whoever loves them. If you're listening, you love them, great, let me know in the comments. But what do you guys think if you know Kane Hotter, the most personal most synonymous with Dayton um playing Jason Voorhees, was in four of the bottom half of the franchise, some would say?

SPEAKER_00 50:12

Yeah. I mean, you can't deny it, right? Um to a man, I think he would admit it too, right? But um, so of course, maybe not. I don't know. I'm not even gonna name the makeup artist for part eight because I I I I think it was, you know, I like to think that they went on to have better careers, but I did not like I I hate part eight's makeup.

SPEAKER_02 50:35

Well, they just gave up at the end and put a a kid in his underwear in the sewer because they'd like, toxic waste, it cleans you up.

SPEAKER_00 50:42

Talk about running out of time or money or whatever. That was just like it was there's a lot of embarrassment.

SPEAKER_02 50:49

We'll talk for hours if we get down a rabbit hole on this shit.

SPEAKER_00 50:51

Yeah, I know, I know. We'll try and stay positive because it did have some coolness about it again, Kane Hodder's stature and all that. Um Part nine.

SPEAKER_02 51:02

Um I'll let you go on part nine to start and uh so obviously this was the big one that oh no, I was I was jumping to Freddie versus Jason now. Jason goes to hell. No one I forgot about it. Um not much to say, he's barely in it. I like how it's he looks bigger again and more intimidating and imposing. I did like that. It's kind of cool how the mask was kind of fused to his face. That kind of works. I don't know. Continuity people say, oh, that's what happened when the toxic waste hit him and it washed him out back into Crystal Lake. That's why he's over there now. But that's continuity. Um his clothes are different, which doesn't make sense, but then again, he must have found her because he was was he naked at the end of part eight. So all that continuity really throws it into which is weird, and I bring it up because the fur that that we've been talking about, his look is continuity fits for the first half of the franchise. Yeah, pretty solid with the degradation of the clothes, and like now it's just like okay, let's put him in a new outfit. Yeah, yeah, let's put him in a new outfit. But again, if you don't see him that much, I really can't comment the little that you do see, Jason. Then again, he kind of looked a little bit bloated.

SPEAKER_00 52:11

Oh yeah. I look, I part eight. Um I I I I kind of dug the look minus the unmasking. Um part nine, I did not like at all. I thought, yeah, he looked bloated, he looked, he looked chubby. Um the mask embedded into his head. Okay, cool idea, but his head was m enormous. It it looked like grown over his Yeah, and it just looked like he was he was like like dealing with like some sort of disease, right? Like where it was just like I don't know, it was it was just so not on par. He had been bald at this point for so long. They threw some scraps of hair on there. And then the outfit, again, it I mean, I don't know what I'd have to, you know, like really analyze, because there's some different lightings with this outfit, and there's that one a couple of shots where it's a bright light. It literally looks like he's wearing denim on denim. And you know, I'm so gonna go look at that. Yeah, if if Jason looks like he's wearing denim on denim, you've gone astray. And uh you can't do denim on denim. We'll just we'll leave it at that. Tell me, yeah, tell me if you think I'm kind of crazy, but there's a couple of shots there where the lighting is really exposed, and I just think he looks like uh he looks a little bit funny that way. Part 10. Um there's two Jasons in part 10. Obviously, there's the regular Jason, um, which I thought it was like the most sterile version of Jason. Um before the right, like it the mask was just angular and it kind of that caused that was kind of silly, and I didn't like that at all.

SPEAKER_02 53:57

I had like a new nose shape to it.

SPEAKER_00 53:59

Yeah, I didn't like that. I didn't like that. I I don't know where that was, you know. And then again, he's got some frizz on his head head again, uh, but it's not a lot, it's just a little bit, it's just texture, I guess. Uh the look of Jason before he became Uber Jason to me was very um pedestrian. It was it looked like I like that similar to what he was, but just I don't know. They didn't try. No, it's like they didn't try because they knew what was coming. They knew what was coming.

SPEAKER_02 54:29

They didn't try.

SPEAKER_00 54:30

Alright, I'll let you take Uber Jason. Go for it.

SPEAKER_02 54:33

So yeah, Uber Jason, and I mentioned it when we did our rankings. What I love about Uber Jason is when um I think KM blows him to blows him to shit and everything and like right into the med bay. And the medbay says, Oh, let me repair these injuries. And it says like insufficient tissue damage, and it starts using like the tray, the metal around everything to turn him into Uber Jason. I mean, the tagline was evil gets an upgrade. That's exactly what they did. Yeah, they gave him up and they didn't go too far, like make him shoot lasers and stuff, but like no, they just he got an upgrade. He got like metallic body parts. He's like pretty much bulletproof now. That's a like a technological upgrade that's synonymous with the futuristic part of the film that I just really love. There's something new you haven't seen before. Most in-space films don't work. Arguably, I think Jason X is the best horror film that takes place in space. It's better than the Hellraiser ones and critters and movies that go into space. Yeah, Leprechaun in space. So I just Uber Jason is pretty I I do have some love for Jason X, and Uber Jason's pretty got a pretty tight look.

SPEAKER_00 55:44

It took me years to come to appreciate anything about Jason X, and now I can. Um and I I could appreciate that look for what it is. Okay, let's not let's not say that this was like the movie, you know, that you wanted to see back then. Obviously it wasn't but that was cool. It was a comic book version of Jason. We got to see it, you know, it is it's out there, it is what it is, and um I think it's pretty cool. I I would like to see like you know, comics. I'd like to see you know that Jason, you know, battle uh battle some superheroes. I think it's pretty cool. I thought yeah, right, like you know, let's see them uh let's see them take on Spider-Man. And uh like I I just thought they did a really, really cool job. That's creativity. And you know, sometimes that franchise gets you know knocked down for not being as creative as like an Elm Street or something like that. They got creative there, and maybe they jumped the shark. Well, they probably jumped out a long time ago, but they got creative, they did something unique, and uh I think that I think it looks good. I mean, whether you like the movie or not, that's a pretty cool look. And um yeah, I I'm I'm kinda happy it exists, and I I'm telling you, like, you know, 20 years ago Jason me uh would not have said that. So um I've come I've come a long way. I've softened. There you go. I've softened. But uh okay, so Freddie versus Jason. Um okay, so let the the obvious is Jake Kane Hotter was out and they brought in Ken Kurtzniger and he was like he looked like he was like a foot taller than Kane Hodder, which says something because Kane is massive. Um but didn't have the bulk, you know, and it showed it was a lengthy kind of a lanky kind of look.

SPEAKER_01 57:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:41

Um I they they put on a an overcoat or uh a cover uh I always say pull over because I'm not a fan of the jacket. Yeah excuse me. I'm not a fan of that at all. I'm not a fan of the look of him and Freddie versus Jason, uh from from stature to outfit to mask. Um not a fan. I'll just leave it at that.

SPEAKER_02 58:05

And I don't gotta say much else. I agree. And I hate the platform boots that they give him. Why'd you make him e I guess they wanted him that much taller than Robert England or whatnot, and he moved like Frank, it was like a f they pretty much just made Frankenstein with the hockey mask. Is what they submit.

SPEAKER_00 58:27

Look at some of the promo pictures of him standing there. It looks like Frankenstein.

SPEAKER_02 58:31

It's it's that those platform boots is it's Frankenstein, and he moves like Frankenstein in a film, very slow and lumbering. Yeah. And it just it the mask has got nothing the does not the look does nothing for me.

SPEAKER_00 58:45

It's just again, it's it's like it's I I would say it's mailed in, but it wasn't. I think they worked on this. And it's just I think it just uh Yeah, I don't know, it's a shame.

SPEAKER_02 58:57

You know at least at least um Kane Harder got to throw Ken Kurtzinger into that mirror in part eight.

SPEAKER_00 59:04

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 59:05

That was it's just funny enough that two few films later here he is playing Jason when he got killed by Jason.

SPEAKER_00 59:12

He's like, oops, alright, I didn't mean to take your uh butt um and this is no knock on Ken Kurtzinger Kurtzinger. No, not at all.

SPEAKER_02 59:20

Like, you know, and when you hear Kane Hodder, you hear Kane Hotter talk about wanting that's the movie he wanted.

SPEAKER_00 59:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:28

Kane Hotter versus Robert England, that's that's the movie you wanted. And they just took it for him. And I think Ronnie um was it Ronnie Yu? Yeah, he's um I think he wanted somebody more more imposing, more taller than than Robert England, but it but then again he also wanted to be a big thing.

SPEAKER_00 59:47

He clearly wanted taller because you got a guy that's a good four inches taller than Kane Hodder, and then threw platforms on him. Like I don't know how big you it's like Rob Zombie, like you know, with uh 10 foot Michael Myers. It's like you know, like yeah, the the shape in the woods that no one can see that you know is the size of a tree. Um it just like you know, you go too much sometimes and it's just like it you shoot yourself in the foot. Uh that being said, you know, I mean I I do know that that pop that's a popular look now for uh Jason, that you know, the coat and um and the undershirt and uh uh you know not again I've never really been big on that. I I Yeah, it's tough. Yes. Yeah, but um okay, and uh so now we go to the final one, which is the remake. And um and in the remake he did a couple of outfit, he did outfit changes. He was like Mariah Carey in this film. He um he performed in uh sack and he oh he performed in the sack. Uh he performed in a sack and he performed with the mask. And uh I I liked both. Um I didn't love either. That's the short of it from my point of view, but uh feel free to chat on that one.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:10

Like I said, I like both. I I do I have some love for part um the remake because I think uh Derek Mears did a great job. He was a good Derek Mears was a good Jason. Another thing, I think it's Hatchet 3. Derek Mears plays a SWAT officer and Kane Hotter plays Hatchet, and they get to go toe-to-toe, which is kind of fun. Yeah, but um I like the look. Now, it's the first time you realize you see Jason with hair, but this is a different Jason that we've seen before. So it makes sense that he may have long hair. I kind of like the duster jacket that they give him, how he's got the holster with the machete. He's more tactical, yeah. Like more, like he's like this is like Hunter Jason to me. He's setting traps, he's got his machete in a in a holster and everything. You know, he's got his own little makeshift like shack where he's living in underground with like alarm systems of like cans like to alert you. A T and T. So it's it's a more intelligent Jason, so I can see why they did an upgrade with his clothes.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:10

And everything like that. And like I I don't mind it. I think it it works well, how he got the mask and everything. He's an opposing feature uh feature um figure, and um he moves fast like in the beginning when he's running at a guy and slings machete into his head.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:24

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:25

Again, he makes Jason scary again. Like Freddie versus Jason, he's slow. I can just I can run and he ain't catching me. This Jason is catching me. So more imposing.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:37

Definitely um uh definitely the the look of of him in this one, I I I did like, like I'd mentioned. I love the bald. I liked how they went back to the clean bald. Um uh obviously he had hair, but like just you know, the not zombie Jason is what I'm trying to get at. Um and uh yeah, I thought it was okay. You know, I you know not that I'm not gonna spin my wheels on this one, but um could have been better? Sure, but definitely wasn't the the disappointment in that film for me. Alright, man. We did it. We did it. What's your uh what's your favorite look of Jason?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:20

Going through this now, I mean, there's so many good ones. It's hard like movie aside. Okay. 100% just showing them the movies aside how I feel about the movie, part seven is probably terrifying. Like if I walked across if I'm walking in the woods and I'm walking past all these ones and I have to see which door I'm not going behind, it's part seven. It's part seven.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:44

Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna give it, like I said before, I'm gonna give it to three. Um and that is uh a close second for part seven. Oh yeah. And I know three and four are very similar, but I just give the edge to three. Um just I I I just like I said, Richard Brooker's posture, just the the shoulders, I kind of love that you know a little bit.

unknown 1:04:09

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:09

And maybe a discussion for a future episode. What if they just kept the sack?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:14

What if they kept the sack?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:15

How do you think the franchise could have changed or evolved? If they just kept that might be a future episode, we should just let me know. Let us know in the comments if you'd like us to discuss that.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:23

Yeah, that would be. I mean, you could go, you could think about that one. And uh I don't think it would it would have been a horrible franchise, but I wonder if it would have had the the legs. Um alright, so that's the many looks of Jason. There was plenty, and uh what what's your favorite? Which one did you hate? Which one did you really think missed the mark? Which one give us a mashup? Face, mask, and clothes if you can. Um that's always fun to do. Uh yeah, for sure. Um so I would um I would say we're we're kind of tapped out on that one, but we have another segment and we're going to it's it's called it's uh we don't really have a name for it, but we'll call it four and four. And what we're gonna do is we're gonna rank the top four kills in Friday the 13th, part four, the final chapter, which arguably had some of the best kills. So um this one should be fun. Uh we don't know what each other picked, so we'll try not to uh repeat too much, but um I'm sure that lists will have some of the same. Well, I'm sure we will. All right. So we'll start off with number four from Uncle Pete. What do you got?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:40

Uh Samantha, mainly because what she had to do while she was in that raft, she was like naked from the top up, you know, just like a little bodysuit on below. It was freezing water in January. She just, you know, her boyfriend's trying to get with one of the twins, so she just, I'm gonna go take a nude raft ride. Just get impaled from underneath as soon as she gets startled, and just hearing her like gurgling because you got the water and everything that's rushing, and just as it goes through the raft and everything, it's just it and plus I thought she was really cute. So I'm gonna give her credit for that. And it's just it was a painful kill. Yeah, I think just to she's chilling in the raft, she's depressed, and just gets stabbed through underneath because again, there was some inventiveness to that kill.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:25

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:25

Stabbed underneath through the raft, all the way through her as she's girdling, you know, dying. Yeah. Good one for me.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:33

Alright. Alright. My number four is kind of I'd say it's a little bit of a hot take. I think I think my four and three are kind of. Um I like the hitchhiker. I I that was on my short list. Was it? I I thought that was brutal. Now it's funny because as much as I give a lot of credit to Ted White, that was Tom Savini that actually did the acting in that. Um, I love that kill. I thought, like, you know, poor, you know, poor girl just sitting on the side of a road eating a banana and uh, you know, showing the squeezing of the banana, showing the banana cut.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:08

See, that's the squeezing of the banana seal that's the exclamation point for the kill for me. For sure. I'm glad you brought that up.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:17

Like I love that. Like that's exact that would that was pretty bang on, and like I said, just like it was unapologetic. She was you know a heavy set woman with like banana all in her mouth, and and it was just like real. And I I I loved it. I love that.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:34

The campers just bullied her and made fun of her. I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:38

I mean I know. Oh yeah. No mercy, no mercy. Uh okay, number three.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:45

Um Nurse Morgan. Uh in the in the beginning, because uh A, Lisa Freeman, huge crush on her, by the way, had a small role in Back to the Future. She played one of Lorraine's sisters, uh Friends. So Crispin Glover, also a little connection there, but yeah, I like it because obviously, you know, I think she's she was just absolutely beautiful. And it was just brutal because you don't see too much. I mean, she turns around, gets scared, you get that fake jump scare, then she then is Jason, you know, grabs her on her throat, lifts her up, classic horror movie, and just he sticks a knife in her and just drags it down. And again, it was edited, you don't see much cut, you don't see much of the blood because the way it worked out, because they said it looked like she was peeing originally with the way the blood was dripping. But I think here not showing so much, just showing the look on her face, the way she sold it, how painful it was, is what why I put it in number three. Is because even though with the lack of blood, the way she sold it, like oh my god, this really hurts, yeah, is what sold that kill for me. I think it's an unsung kill.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:45

Alright. All right, well said. Uh, my number three is not as much of a hot take as I thought, because it's Nurse Morgan. I uh yeah, and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna spend too much time regurgitating what you said. Um I just thought it was uh a finely acted kill. Um I thought she just she again like the hitchhiker went for it. I don't know if this is Joe Zito's direction and he got this out of these actors, um, but you know, it was painful and it was merciless. Like, you know, Jason was just like pissed off. And poor nurse got the brunt of it, and like I said, her her howls and screams were were authentic. It wasn't pretty screams, you know. It was like that that it was painful, and I love that. Number two.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:37

Kind of ties in her niss, Morgan, Axel, because it was a little cathartic when he died, because I I got such a crush on Lisa Freeman, she's so beautiful, yeah, and I'm like, she is so out of Axel's lead. Why is she with him? She is so out of buttons. It's just he's a creepy guy, doesn't deserve her. That aside, the combination of the bone saw and the head twist at the same time. Like the second you have a saw in your neck, this before you can even say ow, your old head is twisted around. And it's just so quick, so sudden. This shows you Jason's Jason ain't dead, he's back, he's just up and pissed, and he's just gonna plow through whoever he's gotta go through. So I think it sets up the um the movie really well going with Axel.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:27

I I I mean, it was so brutal, right? Like, you know, it was just so um it was again mean spirited. It's like, you know, I think I think the kill was done, but he made sure that uh that it was definitely um uh that he polished them off really well, and I'm I'm glad that you had that one on the list. I did not, but um, anyways, obviously um good old police academy alumni there. Uh my number two is uh Jimmy, where's the corkscrew? Um I uh you know I I love this one um for a lot of reasons, obviously, very painful with the corkscrew. Um just turns into the shot and just again just the the the brutalness of it. I'm not gonna say much more because without knowing your list, I think it might be your number one if I'm guessing right, but I don't know, and I don't know this, but uh yeah, I think I said my piece with it. So with that, let's go to our number ones and to no surprise, Derek.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:32

To no surprise, yeah, Jimmy is my number one when we did the whole what have survived and everything. I just gushed about Jimmy and my love for him as such a great character. How can you not like this kill? If you ranked all the kills in the franchise, top five, easy, easy, easy, easy top five kill. Hey Ted, where's the cockscrew? First off, a corkscrew not only in your back of your hand, pinning it to the table, and the second you're able to realize the pain, oh shit, my hand is pinned to the table, you turn around and you get a cleaver, not like this, not to the side, across your face.

unknown 1:12:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:12

And then it's just it don't linger on it for too long, too. It's just like and the screen cuts away. And again, mean spirited.

unknown 1:12:21

Mean spirited.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:22

I mean, at least, at least Jimmy got lucky before he died. If he didn't, if he didn't get lucky before he died, I would have felt worse. But at least he got lucky before he died. But it Jimmy was like I love Jimmy. Yeah, like the little jokes I can go on about Jimmy. I hated seeing him die. Yeah. Because he was such a he was such a great character. Vicious, vicious, mean skirt, mean spirited, brutal kill. Like it was like almost like Jason made it personal.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:50

Like the guy called Jason a dead fuck. Like he wanted to get back at Jason. It was like personal. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:57

Yeah, no, it's true. Alright. And my number one is Samantha. Um I I love this kill.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:10

We had three of the same people.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:12

Yeah, I know. And that's yeah. Um, you know, Judy Aronson, like, I oh man, like she was gorgeous in that film. Yep. And um, and you know, so I had a crush on her. So um and I actually had seen Weird Science before I saw Friday 13th part four of the final chapter. So when I saw her in that and I recognized her, I was like, oh, alright, cool, game on. Yeah. And uh she didn't she didn't uh uh she delivered. So um I just thought that kill was brutal because um it just it obviously it looked brutal, like a knife right ripping right through your gut, like you know, in a raft and the cold raft and all that stuff, you know, half naked. Well no, she was fully naked, I apologize. Yeah. Um, you know, that adds to you know the titillating nature of the whole thing, right? Like, you know, it's uh um this is slasher films, this is what we do, right? Um and uh so hot naked chicks. So she she delivered on all accounts, but again, like um uh Freeman there, uh she she went for it, right? Like, you know, that wasn't like you know, I'm gonna die pretty. This is like I'm gonna go for it. I'm gonna, you know, this is this is how I feel probably. This is the way she was like uh feeling at the time. And it was an ugly kill, but in being ugly and and and the sounds being ugly, it was actually, you know, kind of sexy too, in a way, like you know, and I don't mind saying that because um there's a lot of people out there that would agree. The there's just something about that kill that um is just sparks the imagination a little bit. Um you feel for her, you feel bad for her. I mean, never mind the stories of the making of it, but just in the show, it it was in the movie, it was uh, you know, she was, you know, like Jimbo got lucky, she was the opposite, right? She's like, you know, losing her man, and then she gets that. It's kind of like the hitchhiker, losing her ride. Come on.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:18

Yeah, it's it's it's sad because like when you see a good character that you like connect with, you're like, oh like she's cute, she's a nice person. You don't want to see them die. Like yeah, the it's funny, most of the people we picked, well, three like Jimmy, Nurse Morgan, and Samantha, yeah, are all like super nice people.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:36

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, Samantha th she just she liked to have sex, and there's nothing wrong with that. But she was a sweetheart. She was trying to get her her buddy to come out of her shell and have a good time, you know. And the only time she kind of, you know, got a little upset was when someone was trying to take her man, and who could blame her?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:55

Um but he made the he made a bad choice. I mean, come on. Yeah. I w I would have went with Samantha. That's a sure deal.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:03

Yeah, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:04

I mean, Shelley and Terry were forget about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:06

Gorgeous, but listen, he had been there and uh he was a young 18-year-old or whatever, been with a girl.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:12

Yeah, again, I'm thinking like a 49-year-old guy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:15

And then twins come around and you're like, okay, well, so you gotta put yourself in the age group if you're uh 18 years old. I forget. I don't know. Um 30 years ago. Um so excuse me. I think I kind of got through this episode uh decently, and I apologize for those of you who had to endure the coffee. That's what I'm trying. Um okay, so that's it. Let us know who um yeah, what your top four kills are in part four. I I'm curious to know. It's uh it was a hotbed for murders, and uh it's funny, yeah. We uh we neither of us picked the uh the spear gun, which was obviously an incredibly painful thing. I do want to say one thing though. I do want to say one thing. When um oh shoot, oh man, what was his character's name? The guy that uh was with Trish, was it? I forgot. Oh my god. I'm not I I I talk about how like you know, I don't know all the details about the character names. I'm usually pretty damn good. But anyways, where the I'm k he's killing me, he's killing me. Um no, yes. So I think I'm gonna come to this guy's defense. Eric Anderson there. Um so he uh gets a lot of crap for that kill um for saying he's killing me. I love it. You know, I I liked it, but a lot of people really rip on that. But I just want to say, in in the defense of the character and everything, he's saying he's killing me to tell Trish to run. Like, he's not like you know, he's not wrestling me, he's not like tackling me down and like giving me a noogie here. He's killing me. Run.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:00

I'm gonna die, go.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:01

Yeah, like so though that line gets a lot of flack from Friday fans, and I think it's just so uh unjustified because he was warning her. He's he's killing me. What are you doing there, still? Get out of here. So, anyways, I just wanted to come to his defense and and um I got that defense as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:20

People crap on it, but I was like, no, I think it sells the scene. Like he's and he's scared. He's like, Oh, this guy, he's killing me.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:29

Yeah, he's he's doing yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:31

So, like I think you said about the director, he did a really good job at getting this emotion from a lot of these deaths.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:40

You know, it is yeah, Joe Zito, yeah, absolutely. Like it can't, it's not a coincidence that they all just excelled in their death scenes. Um you know, and maybe or maybe it was Tom Savini, part and parcel, because he's been known to do that too, because in some of his horror films, like you you know, the death scenes are elaborate, so it could have been guidance by him. Um yeah, he said this is how you take this kill. Yeah, yeah. And and probably that's the latter's probably a little bit more accurate, but um, but regardless, uh great film, great kills. That's what we love. And uh great episode. Another one in the books.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:17

Uh let us know all your answers down in the comments.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:20

Yeah, play along. Let's have some fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:22

Your favorite looks, your kills?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:24

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SPEAKER_02 1:20:04

No, appreciate it. Thanks guys for listening or watching. Uh yeah, I appreciate you guys just checking us out. Share, like, comment, all that fun stuff, and yeah, keep keep loving Friday. We do.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:14

Awesome. We'll see you on the next episode. Take care. Bye.