Jason Conquers Interview - The Crazy Ralph Podcat EP 13

The Crazy Ralph sits down with Lammert of Jason Conquers. Lammert has been a collecter for decades and has edited and created some unbelieveable Friday the 13th scenes that you can find on his site.

Show Link - https://youtu.be/FsP5WHuVmW0

Jason Conquers
IG - https://www.instagram.com/jasonconquers/
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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:04

Hey everybody, welcome to the Crazy Ralph Podcast. We have a special show for you, a special guest. We'll get to him in a second. But first, I'm your host, Jason, and this is your friendly neighborhood, Uncle Pete. Alright, and again, I am pretty excited because you know one of the things we wanted to do is bring on people that not only star in Friday or worked on Friday, but just have a passion for Friday the 13th. And this man definitely does that. He's uh he's been doing it longer than I have, uh, especially celebrating Friday the 13th. So we we're very, very excited to have him on. He's Lambert from Jason Conquers. And we're gonna get into what that means. But first off, welcome to the show, Lambert. Thank you very much. Glad to be here.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

All right, and where is where are you where are you calling in from? Uh I'm about an hour north of uh Amsterdam, which is awesome.

SPEAKER_03 1:00

This is our first European Netherlands, yeah. Yeah, so that's great, and you know what's great about it? Your connection, everything like technically is like it's perfect. And you know, I've had two people like just down the street, and it's like you know, so we're really excited about that. So Lambert, you have um you have uh a past that goes back like about 20 years with Friday the 13th. Uh, did you want to start off with how you got into uh into being on an online presence for Friday the 13th films?

SPEAKER_00 1:37

Yeah, it's actually quite a story. I mean, um I'm from a country that's very small. Uh horror. I mean, we have all the movies here and uncensored, uncut, you know, even stuff that's banned. Everything's allowed here, especially in the in the in the 80s and the 90s. But um, yeah, I remember going to uh the video store with my parents, and as a young kid, child, um my focus always went to the horror section. So there were like a couple of covers that stood out to me, was like the the first Hellraiser, uh, you know, with Pinhead standing with the the box, and there was this yeah, this this guy with this mask with holes in it, like a hockey mask, and it was the cover for uh final chapter and uh Jason Lives and a New Beginning. So, you know, I was like, okay, when I'm old enough, I'm gonna rent these. But once I reached a certain age, this video store closed down, so and these movies were not shown on television. I think uh parts four and five were only shown here on television once in the 90s. Uh Friday 1 was a few times, but uh yeah, then then there was this uh other video store opening, and uh they had Friday 13th one with uh just a picture of uh Adrian King on the cover. So it's like, oh, I really have to get this, and then uh a friend of mine recorded Halloween. Uh really liked that, but then I saw Friday the 13th finally on a Friday the 13th when I was 13. So stars aligned and the whole atmosphere. I mean, uh I already liked Halloween quite a bit, but Friday for me was the next thing that was amazing. I mean, I did miss the the guy with the mask, was like, where is this guy? But I found out later. Yeah, so um, yeah, and that's wh when I also started to go to the library and to find out more about horror movies, but I could hardly find anything. And then some years later, I think it was like the mid-90s, uh, a friend of mine was like, Hey, we can go into the internet. My stepdad has an internet connection. So the first thing I did was look for Friday the 13th and could not find so much stuff. Uh, a couple of years after that, I got it myself. Uh, went online myself, and then from from then on, yeah, I just took different pieces from various sources and was like, hey, why don't I start my own website? So I went to the library, actually borrowed a book about programming uh a basic website. Yeah, and that that's basically how we how it how it started, and then yeah, the community was very small back then, was like uh 97, 98. But uh yeah, got in touch with with people online, and and yeah, it was an amazing time. Also, because you know, like I said, I'm from a small country. Yeah, not so many horror, yeah, uh horror fanatics here, especially, you know, people like horror, but they're not like I'm gonna research this movie, I'm gonna research that, I want to know more about this guy or this actor or a director. But uh yeah, I really connected with those people, and yeah, that also I was you know looking out for more stuff online and also tried to reach out to casts and crew members, but um this was a day when the Friday 13 series was still considered trash. I mean, it was not celebrated as it is today. I mean, today, you know, we have all the merchandise, all the figures, and everything. So I tried to reach out to a couple of people, but back then I won't mention any names. But back then, uh not interested. Nah, those movies. Why you want to talk about about that? So uh yeah, but um it was an amazing time, and I found it about the the the deleted scene stuff and everything. So yeah, it was a whole red full. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:55

We'll get to that because that's what draw drew me to you. So uh what I find fascinating is like you know, just your struggle to to climb this mountain of like you know, of Friday the 13th. Like for for us, you know, in the US and Canada, it's just it was always just readily available. It's like you you see it, you get you rent it, or you uh buy it, you know, now you you could stream it, but regardless, the the time and of a and age, like it was so easy for us. So it's just it's kind of fascinating to hear what you had to go through, like what a perspective it puts on for for us, like you know.

SPEAKER_00 6:33

Uh yeah, yeah. And I I'm I'm amazed by today, I mean, you can find anything online.

SPEAKER_03 6:41

And that's okay, so that's a good I'm I'm happy you said that because I remember when I was a kid. Now we could find the movies, but there was no horror merchandise anywhere, right? Like, you know, so I I remember I was like a 12, 13-year-old kid into horror, so I was like, you know, on an island already on my butt and I remember there there was nothing in stores. I I had like this old hockey mask, road hockey mask, and I put felt on it to kind of make it look like a Michael Myers, and it was just horrible. But that's you had to get creative because there was nothing out there, and you know, and and I remember the first time I had anything horror-based in my collection, it was a poster, and it was a megadeth poster because they had that piece sells, but who's buying it? It was a skeleton. That was all I could get, and I wasn't even into megadeth. I was just but I had a skeleton in my room, and that was like, you know, so and then now, I mean, it's so it's everywhere. It exploded, right? So it exploded, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:43

And also, you have like the amount of people who like horror, because you know, we're all around the same age, so we all remember life pre-internet of trying to cast something on TV or cable or renting it where you you rent the movie, you gotta watch that tape four or five times before you return it, because you gotta return it in two days, and like just the availability, especially with the merchandising, because like I early 90s, old metal head and in the hara. Yeah, you can get metal t-shirts, but you couldn't get a thing t-shirt to wear to high school. No, you may be able to get like a mega death metallica, maybe like a death metal t-shirt, but you had to again order away for it. There was I never saw somebody wearing a thing or a Hellraiser or a Halloween shirt or anything like that.

SPEAKER_03 8:25

Never, never. So that was that was not just unique to you, even in even in here in uh US and Canada, it was just it was so hard. And I I see a lot of these kids, kids, I call them kids, but like, you know, with their with their collections on social media, right? I'm like, you bastards had no idea what I had to go through. I had to create I had to sculpt Jason out of clay, just to say I had one. But anyways, I'm I'm sounding like a bitter old man, and uh that happens from time to time. I apologize. All right, so 19 uh you said around 97 you start up this website and you did it all yourself, which is, you know, again, very commendable. Um and was it just more like um were you a passion, like a a passion project where you were just trying to or were you trying to go somewhere with this?

SPEAKER_00 9:19

No, it was just passion. I just wanted to share my love for for this and also to, you know, uh show people stuff, you know, behind the scenes stuff or whatever, whatever I could get my hands on, just to share it with people, basically, and maybe connect with other horror horror fans, which no, I didn't have a I mean I had a few friends back then who were liking you know horror, but they were not like me, they wanted to know more and everything. They were just like, okay, movies done, and I was like, okay, I want to know more about this. Um, like I said before already. So yeah, um I just wanted to share it out with the world, and the internet was a perfect, uh, perfect place. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:00

So once again, he's Lambert, and he has uh it's Jason Conkers. You're on Instagram, you're on YouTube, and anything else? Or no, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah. So please check him out. I guarantee you he's got uh he's got stuff that you're gonna be blown away by, and that's the stuff I kind of want to talk to you about right now. So, you know, what what drew me to your page was, you know, seeing the unedited clips that you were providing. So uh first of all, before we even talk about the clips, how did you uh you kind of hinted to it, but how do you get access to this? How and and such good quality as well.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

Um I made the edits myself, but the uh the footage uh I took from uh the Screen Factory box set. There's like an extra disc in there which has some of the scenes uh cut. Um I have uh a work print laying around from Jason Goes to Hell. I still have to go through it. I think I have two of them, they're a little bit different. I think one is edited, but the quality is really uh really bad. So I try to take them from another source and then mix them in with the scenes of the movie, so it's not just the whole because for instance the Friday the uh the final chapter scenes, there's no sound.

SPEAKER_03 11:25

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

So I had to edit, and I mean I like to be creative, I like to edit stuff and everything, so I just added sounds, and I mean I have all the the soundtracks and and and things laying around, so I can just you know cut and paste and make it like it's in the movie itself. So it's it's funny because people ask me, like, hey, where can where where can I download this? Can you share with you? Uh it's like yeah, sorry guy, I just did the scene, so I cannot uh send you a full movie because I just wanted also for myself to see, hey, where would this this would fit? How would they this maybe?

SPEAKER_02 11:59

So that's so you did this wow, yeah. So you did this, if I if I'm correct, before streaming and downloadable stuff. So like it was like it's not as easy as to edit nowadays where you just download the movie, boop, get you a little clip. So you really had to put like the effort in to edit music and everything. It's not like easy nowadays where you can just upload any movie and do edits. So that's it's just impressive that you know early technically.

SPEAKER_00 12:23

Yeah, I mean I made them, I made the I made them a few years, a few years ago when the box had come out, but I made them in a very I think now people call it primitive.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

It's not but there's a charm, I think there's a charm to that. Like primitively, there's like a charm too because to me it almost keeps like the identity of those old clips. Like I don't want to it I'd have made it just style to fill it.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

Yeah, yeah, I mean I could uh nowadays probably somebody would use AI or whatever to fill in certain things, but uh that's just the footage I just um yeah, I just wanted to see how it would fit in the movie. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:01

So okay, we're gonna we'll get back to the clips in a second, but like is editing something that you do like regularly, or I mean, because that's to do what you do is not like you know just like the average fan just sitting at home like saying, Hey, I'm gonna put together some scenes that are gonna look perfect.

SPEAKER_00 13:18

No, I I think the first time I I edited something was when uh I had my website and I wanted to share scenes from the movie on my website. I mean the quality was like like like tiny, yeah, but I had to make it work. How can I get my VCR hooked on a computer?

SPEAKER_01 13:35

So I had to discover what how I could manage to do that.

SPEAKER_00 13:41

So I um found a special graphics card I could put in, and it was like a TV tuning. Uh so I had to m find the signal. I think I think I spent days figuring this out, and I finally I was able to record it. The quality was really bad, but then I still had to you know edit, put a little watermark in. You know, I just wanted to be a little bit professional, like like so that I think that's the first time, but I'm not a not a professional editor, it's just more like uh a thing like hey, let's let's just make something up.

SPEAKER_03 14:14

My friend, you are a doer because you know, from from day one, like when you had to actually track down the films to like the fact that you're like trying to figure out ways to hook a VCR to a modern computer and stuff like that. Um, yeah, no, I I applaud you. That's great. And we're we're the benefactors of uh of your efforts. So thank you. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:37

Uh appreciative your dedication, because without your dedication, some people may never have seen these clips because of the effort you had to put into putting them out there. Like I said, it's not easy nowadays. We can just click on a link and boop, there it is. You're like using like Jason, you were saying you gotta hook up a VCR. For all you young kids, VCR was old way of media.

SPEAKER_00 15:01

And also also computers back then, like the computers like in the late 90s to like twenty twenty-five. Uh I mean twenty-five, it's twenty-eight years ago or something.

SPEAKER_03 15:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

Computers were different back then, software was different. It was a lot of I remember it was a lot of waiting. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:19

I can imagine rendering and stuff like that. Well, that's good. I mean, it was a passion of yours. And now is uh is Friday the 13th your your your main franchise? That's the one you love the most? Yeah, I think so, yeah. I mean, as a whole, yeah, boy. Yeah. Good stuff. Um, okay, I want to talk about some of these uh these clips. First of all, uh I have a favorite of like, you know, when I was on your website and I was uh checking out uh these unedited death scenes, I was I was blown away and it was just so cool to see. And I know that like you know, some of that stuff is out there on like you know, $2,000 box sets and stuff like that, but you know, for the most part, people haven't seen a lot of this stuff, so it's it's new to them. And uh which which one is your favorite uh unedited death scene?

SPEAKER_00 16:11

The one I did myself, I think the nurse from final chapter. Okay, yeah. Um it's a little bit more horrific, and I actually I actually added a sound bit uh of Jason's groan because he's uh I took it from the scene where he uh stabs the hitchhiker, you know, when you when he does that, you hear him. Yeah, yeah. I was not like okay, when he makes that noise, it's like extra extra make extra violent. I don't know, uh extra m rage.

SPEAKER_03 16:40

Yeah, yeah. So uh we talked about that, yeah. Actually, how he's just like he's just more angry in part four. So it's good that you captured that.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

Yeah, and and uh the Sandran Jeff one.

SPEAKER_03 16:52

So that's mine. That's mine. I I loved I don't, you know, it's hard to like it to me, it wasn't that egregious that it had to be eliminated from a film. I know back then times were different and stuff like that, but uh that's the one where when you posted that, I was like, this guy gets a follow.

SPEAKER_00 17:11

Thank you very much. Yeah, I mean also the I had to add the sound, so you know when somebody screams, yeah, you have to find something, and I you know, you you can't just download a scream and put it there because it doesn't match. So I had to make everything, you know, match and and see. I didn't know you did that.

SPEAKER_03 17:30

I didn't know you did all of that. That's that's amazing. Uncle Pete, did you uh would you have a favorite deleted scene that you happen to come across?

SPEAKER_02 17:37

Or I was just uh when I was looking at the your YouTube channel, it was just all the different openings to the original Friday the 13th, and how I like how you put information on there like, oh, no scream, green fade, and stuff like that, just to see all the different like this old work print stuff. There's like to me, there's a charm to that old stuff. It's not as clean as polish. I mean, it's 1980. We're talking 35 years ago, you know, when this stuff came out, just to see that old material, it's uh it's just a nostalgia of it. I like the old, like on old films when you have like the cigarette burns on it and like the film deterioration, just the little cracks and stuff. There's a charm to that type of stuff for us older guys. So I that's what I like about seeing those old clips. It's just that it is then there's a nostalgia to it. I'm like, I remember because on V V uh VCRs, you have to remember you have to adjust the tracking depending on the tape, otherwise you can go, you know. So it there's a it just brings back good memories. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

Yeah, and you know, you know, that the first time I found out about deleted scenes or whatever was uh I told you I rented the first Friday, and that was actually uh released by Warner Brothers, and the first uh prints they did were the uncut version. So, for example, you have the the top view of Kevin Bacon's death. Uh all the dead scenes are a few seconds longer. So when I I think it was also uh around the mid-90s when I bought the very first Friday, I found it in a bargain bin somewhere. But it was a re-release. So when I finally got the tape, I put it in, and I was like, hey, where's the top few? I remember it. I remember it was it was different, and and now that was already like heh, that's that's strange. Why yeah, and then you see a picture on the back cover of that scene. So I was like, what yeah, why would they cut this out? And then later I found out about uh the US with the MPAA and stuff like that. So I was like, oh, alright, that makes now it makes sense. Yeah, sadly.

SPEAKER_03 19:43

Yeah, so um one of the films excuse me, one of the films that uh that got brutally mutilated by the censor board uh here was Friday 13th part seven, uh, The New Blood. And um I mean it it it it literally got just taken apart. I mean this you hear the filmmakers of this project and they're just like you know, just bummed about how you know, and I can just imagine being a filmmaker and having it chopped so much that like it almost doesn't even recognize it's not even recognizable for your vision. But I also heard that part seven's like you know, clips or unreleased footage are gone. Yeah, but what what have you heard about part seven?

SPEAKER_00 20:35

Um I know that part seven uh Kane Hodder had a work print or at least a a copy with the scenes. Uh he showed it at conventions back in the 90s. Um I think uh the director had a had a copy. Yeah, uh but the footage the the trims was trashed by Paramount in I think it was 1992 or something. They trashed the footage.

SPEAKER_03 21:05

Why? Yeah, I I know you don't know why, but like I mean talking it out here, like what why? Like what what's what's the logic in that? I don't get it, you know.

SPEAKER_00 21:14

Yeah, it's a shame because that one's that one suffered the most with uh with the deleted scenes.

SPEAKER_02 21:20

I wonder, yeah, and I've always it's always I've always had a hard time understanding cut like it's a horror movie, and like I'm not saying you don't need like super wild stuff, but like you're toning down, like you're going to the movie to see a horror movie, it's rated R. I'm over 18. I'm allowed to see this stuff, and you're trying to tell me it's too much because you sit behind some desk editing. I was like, come on, I just I understand there's boundaries, but it's like, oh, it's too much blood. We're all over 18, it's a rated R movie. It's like, why are you telling me, oh, it's too much blood? That's too graphic. I was like, that's what we want to go see. It's escapism.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Yeah yeah and I mean in in the UK and Germany it's even been worse because in the in the UK they had the video nasties uh thing. Uh because I remember getting uh a few Friday tapes from the UK and they even had s uh scenes removed, like small a few seconds or uh they don't allow switchblades in movies. So um for example, when I I think I think it was uh when I watch Jason takes Manhattan when uh before he lifts up your mass, there's this punk who does you know the the movement and it's not there. You're kidding. Wow that those few seconds are not in a in in the in the movie. I mean the tape that I had, so in Germany, um yeah, it was also very uh very strict. But I think time times have changed a little bit. Not sure about the UK. I think uh a few very extreme movies are still being uh censored by the British uh film uh film board.

SPEAKER_03 23:00

But uh yeah, there's there's a lot of stuff going on in the UK right now. I don't know about uh movie uh movies like that getting the benefit of the doubt. Um it's just yeah, it really is a shame. I wonder about Kane Hodder. I wonder, like, you know, back when he was showing that, he probably can't do that now legally. Probably, you know, back then everything was a little bit more relaxed and stuff like that. You know, maybe there's um there's there's a hidden print out there somewhere. And one day we'll get to see it.

SPEAKER_00 23:30

Yeah, you never you never know because they found the part two footage.

SPEAKER_03 23:34

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's true, you're right, because that well, for a long time they said it was gone. So chances are if this footage gets found, it'll be this man that you can go and visit his website or his uh Instagram page and his YouTube page, and you will find it there first. So uh he's he's that good, ladies and gentlemen. Um you're a collector, you said you collect, so I I'm kind of curious to know what are some of the um the things in your collection. I know you said that you actually sold off a lot of stuff back in the day. Yeah, um, but uh, I see in the background you got some cool stuff. But like what are some of uh the items in your collection and some of your most prized collection items?

SPEAKER_00 24:19

Um I started collecting also in the in the late 90s. Uh and like I said, this was a time when Friday 13 was considered trash, you know, not celebrated like like nowadays. Um so a lot of people who were selling stuff or collectors or movie stores or whatever, you know, hey, you can have this poster for two bucks. Oh, we have one more, I'll take it. So a lot of a lot of stuff I got back in the day that way, and I but I still had to pay shipping from uh from the US to to um to Europe, but shipping was also cheaper back then and there were no taxes involved. I mean if I would get something now, for example, I got the Jason Goes to Hell documentary and it costed me like a hundred bucks because of shipping and taxes so and and and tell people why you have a little bit of a soft spot for Jason Goes to Hell. I like the movie, yes. Um I hated it the first time I watched it. Probably I appreciate it when I watched it for the fifth time or something. Um yeah, it's it's a good movie, it's an entertaining movie. Like the soundtrack, I like the actors quite a lot. Um I mean as a Friday movie, uh it's it's it's not yeah. Yeah, as a as a standalone, as a standalone movie, uh it's it's it's very it's very it's very entertaining and very well made, I think.

SPEAKER_03 25:57

That's that those are some some kind words for a film that I I can't find those those sweet words for. But um But were you were you were sorry, Pete?

SPEAKER_02 26:10

I was gonna say there are some good effects in the film, like when the the sheriff starts melting after puking out the worm. That's that's like the best part of the movie. I said I know it's a much of a line movie, but to give it if I can give that film anything, it's that part is super graphic with that's great effects in that part right there. And the campus yes. Yeah, yeah, the beginning with the with the poll, and yep.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a great kill.

SPEAKER_03 26:38

Yeah. Um were you were you not featured on uh uh Jason Goes to Hell?

SPEAKER_00 26:44

I think were am I misunderstanding that I thought I actually have been uh I mean I've looked around in a horror community the last years, but I've been out of the whole online community uh posting stuff. Um yeah. Okay, so I missed for some 20 years.

SPEAKER_03 27:04

So you're back now though?

SPEAKER_00 27:06

Yeah, I just want you know, I started this Instagram page. I mean, I still had a YouTube channel which I started when I think YouTube was new, just to upload clips or whatever. Um, but I was just like, okay, people are interested. Okay, I'm just gonna. Instagram is the easiest way. You take a picture, you put it online. And later was like, okay, you make a video, you put it online. So for me, it was like, okay, I'm just gonna see if people like it, but yeah, a lot of people do, and and also uh messaging messages from some of the cast and the crew. So that's yes, that's that's yeah, it's it's cool to see. So I'm gonna continue. And my son is now uh the right age to watch a lot of horror movies. So when when I think some two two years ago, uh he was like, Can we finally watch the movies with the guy with the mask? Because he now knows I have I have some stuff from the from from those movies. So and then we watched him, and for me that was like watching them again for the first time because you know he was like uh and he was responding like part one, why is this old lady? Where's where's the the mask? And then part two, it's him, but the wrong mask. So I I was actually living it through his eyes, and that really I was like, okay, okay, you know, actually these movies are are I mean, I still love that I've never my my love for Friday has never died or anything, but it was like it's sparked like more like okay, you know, these this franchise is just it's the best.

SPEAKER_03 28:37

Yeah, I just rejuvenated it for you, yeah. For sure, for sure. So um what's uh I I'm kind of curious, what's your favorite Friday the 13th film? Depends, I think. Okay. Okay, give me you can give me a couple, you can give me a couple.

SPEAKER_00 28:56

Um one, two, four. I mean, four is probably my my favorite. Um I mean that that's the perfect slasher movie. It's my all-time favorite. If I had had to mention one slasher movie, it's gonna be Friday 13th final chapter. I also like part three is good, but you if you watch it in the the the 3D, makes it a lot better. Yeah. Um and part five. Yeah, I also like part five.

SPEAKER_02 29:22

So love for part five?

SPEAKER_03 29:24

Yeah, that's good. Yeah, it's good stuff. Yeah, it's uh it's definitely um a franchise that is fantastic, you know, through the first you know, installments and then tapers off. But um Yeah, I was curious. I was curious to know.

SPEAKER_02 29:41

So I'll ask, who's your favorite what was in what film was your favorite portrayal of Jason? Like what what is your favorite Jason look through all like 12 films? Like what's your Jason?

SPEAKER_00 29:54

Final chapter.

SPEAKER_02 29:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

Because you know, it's just uh the way Ted White acts. He's brutal. He's he you know, he's he's even you know when they slash him um in the hand, he just looks and he just goes on with his mission, you know.

SPEAKER_02 30:07

It's it's and and yeah, we've talked about that in other podcasts. Like he's like angry in this film, like now he wants like revenge. Like when he bursts through that door, I mean the whole door just explodes and the toothpicks and splinters, and he's just this hulking guy. It's just like that's a scene you remember. Like, bam! So it's that's a great look.

SPEAKER_03 30:27

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Ted White. I've been banging, uh I've been banging the Ted White drum like all the time. I just I think his is his portrayal of Jason is to me like even headed shoulders above all the other ones. Um, you could tell like he was a little bit more of a seasoned actor. Um you know, and it because it showed it was a performance kind of and just like yeah, just the brutal raw energy. Um, I'm sure it was a perfect storm between Ted White, director uh Josito and Tom Savini. Um I'm I'm sure that all those elements played into it, but it was lightning in a bottle because it really, really elevated, I thought.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's also the movie is dark. I mean, it's a very dark movie. So it's everything fits. Final chapter, everything fits perfectly for me, and and that makes it the ultimate slasher Friday the 13th.

SPEAKER_02 31:20

It probably has the best uh cast of characters where you look kind of like everybody. Yeah, you know, it probably has the best, like the most memorable characters. Like you probably remember all the kills from part four. It has like a lot of a lot of memorable kills, a lot of memorable characters. You got young Corey Feldman, you know, it's just so many great scenes when they're skinny dipping, and it's like what we all would have done if we were that age, and you got a chance to see some young co-ed skinny dipping at the lake, we all would have been like through the window and everything. So it just really touched on a lot of uh elements.

SPEAKER_00 31:55

Definitely, definitely.

SPEAKER_03 31:57

We it's funny, and and you know, this is uh a perfect example, like because we when we were kind of going through all the horror film, all the Friday 13th films, we're talking about you know which ones we liked. And I I'd mentioned that like unlike a lot of the other franchises, with Friday the 13th, it's pretty like spread out on what people's favorites is, like you know, with Halloween, it'll be very hard for you to find someone and not say part one, you know what I mean? In Nightmare and Elm Street, in most cases it's part one, and you know, and so on and so on. With Friday the 13th, you know, there's people that hate part one, and uh so it's kind of it's uh kind of interesting, and this is part, you know, of what I'm trying to say. Yours is part four, his is part six, and mine is part one. Like, you know, right here we got three like hardcore fans of Friday the 13th, and we all have different favorite films.

SPEAKER_00 32:49

Yeah, yeah, that's cool. That that's also it is what back in the day when we were when the Friday 13th internet forums started. There was a big forum. I mean, it grew uh the in the in the in the early 2000s. You know, everybody had their favorites, but we would still discuss it, you know, like uh hey, why do you like this? You know, it was like a very like a communic community, and and nowadays there's there's one thing I I noticed being back in the horror community. There's you know, you post something and there's immediately something like ah this movie sucks, or this movie. Yeah, it's like why would you even post that if you don't like it? Or try to discuss it, try to, you know. It's very toxic. Yeah, it's very yeah, it's very like, oh, I don't like this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:32

No, it's you have strangers telling you your opinion is wrong. Like, nope. Like it's my opinion. Well, you're wrong. Like, I can't be wrong, it's my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 33:40

Yeah, I know. Like no, it's true. And actually, I'm gonna throw one step further. We have a guy who works behind the scenes on this show. He uh with facts, uh, we call him Slick from Cabin number six, and his favorite is Friday 13th part three. So between the four of us, there is four different free uh Friday the 13th favorites. And I think that is like super awesome, like to be honest. Like, um, yeah, I I love that. I love that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 34:06

Yeah, I I I asked my son uh um what's your we've seen them all now. Which one is your favorite? He said part three. He's like part three is the best. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:16

Part three is polarizing. People love part three, people hate part three. It's it's it's similar to part one. Like, I think part one, a lot of people just can't get over the fact that it's not Jason. Yeah and I'm like, you know, I get it, I understand, but it's you know, get over it. And um, and part two, same thing, kind of gets a little bit of it can get ringed through the ringer because he doesn't have the mask, right? And uh and it's pretty fascinating to think like you know how iconic we've talked about this, how iconic that mask is, and how it comes in the third film. Like it's it's hard to imagine like Freddie's glove coming in in the third film. You know what I mean? Like it's it's it's pretty uh it's pretty amazing, but uh anyway, yeah. No, I I I love uh I love talking to people about their favorite Friday.

SPEAKER_02 35:08

Do you have a favorite? It's hard to pick, I know, but you don't have to give me your favorite, but like what's one of your most memorable debt scenes? Like I love Mark in part two because he's on a wheelchair, the way the machete slams into his face, and just that rolling down the wheelchair, down those long steps, and it's one continuous shot. It's one of my favorite kills. Do you have like not maybe the number one, but what are some of your favorite kills in the franchise?

SPEAKER_00 35:36

Oh god. Um, well, Kevin Bacon. Kevin Bacon, of course, because I remember that when I watched part one for the first time, I checked underneath my bed a couple of times in the next weeks, so um, yeah. Um also final chapter, Axel, the that's good, um the guy from the morgue, because it's just he's just you know that's the anger again of Ted White, you know, he's the yeah, it's it's not just the hexa, it's also the twisting. So it's like brutal. And um, yeah, I mean uh from Jason X, um the the freeze face, liquid nitrogen, yeah. Yeah, yeah, and um uh yeah, part two, the double impalement. But yeah, the one we got, yeah, was was of course kind of kind of tame.

SPEAKER_03 36:27

So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:29

But thanks to you, we get to see we get to see more of it, and that's uh you you have to thank Peter Bracky for that because he was the one uh who got the footage on uh on the Scream uh factory uh Blu-ray set.

SPEAKER_03 36:44

Well, we will we will see if we can uh explore that even more. Um what's next for you? We're uh gonna start a podcast as well. Nice. Okay. And uh that okay, so what do what are you gonna just is it gonna be Friday the 13th or horror films or yeah, we're gonna start with Friday the 13th.

SPEAKER_00 37:06

I mean it's basically a Friday 13th podcast. Umgether with a friend of mine, Keith. Uh he's from New York but lives in Austria. Uh so he lives in the same time zone as me. That's makes things a little easier. A little easier, yeah. And he he used to work uh in the promotional uh side of the movie business uh um in New York. Um yeah, and you know, um I want to offer something different. I mean, uh I love to discuss the movies and talk about the favorites and everything, and but I think there's also still a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff that's there to explore. I mean, we already had the book and everything, and those are great, but there's there's still some stuff out there, and of course we have the Crystal Lake TV show coming up, yeah. Uh the Jason Universe uh thing that's happening right now. So yeah, I think it's interesting also to it's I mean it's it's not that hard to talk about it, and you know, yeah, we should just see where it goes. I mean, it's just gonna do we're we're just gonna do it for fun. Yeah, yeah, that's the way to do it, man. Have a good time with it. So once we start once we start it, and uh if we're gonna invite uh fans, I mean you you guys are already invited.

SPEAKER_03 38:22

So all right, all right, yeah, no, thank you. Love it. I um hopefully, you know, like you said, like you know, hopefully, uh I don't know what this Crystal Lake uh series is gonna be like. I think a lot of people have some skepticism and stuff like that, but that's just the way it is. But like hopefully it just it brings Friday 13th back into some sort of a limelight. I mean, the fact that it's almost been 20 years since a film has come out, you know, and I and I've talked about this, like, you know, because like you know, I I talk like some of the younger people and stuff like that, they they really mentioned Michael Myers a lot and Halloween and Halloween this and Halloween that. And I'm like, Halloween has had a long runway in the last little while with no competition from like any of like, you know, like again, like I mean, there was a couple of Texas films that kind of, you know, they don't really kind of move the needle, but yeah, but no Freddie, no Jason for like 20 years, and it's all they know, like so you gotta think about it. A kid who was like 20 years old hasn't it probably hasn't, well, because 2009 was Friday, hasn't even really seen a Friday the 13th film kind of being a theater. So they have no way to like unless they dive deep, and you know, some do, but a lot don't. Um, you know, it's all just been Halloween for like the last 20 years, and that's you know, and it it it's kind of interesting for me, like you know, when I think about its popularity, I'm like, well, yeah, well, we've been parked for so long. So hopefully this gets things going, right? And we can start uh rocking and rolling again. But uh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:03

I tried uh reaching out to uh one of the people who works for Horror Inc., uh Jess Universe. Um they couldn't tell me anything, just that they're working on something. Yeah. I mean, um yeah, what what's w like like a movie, but what's that gonna you know, nobody knows.

SPEAKER_03 40:26

Yeah, no, I know, and you just kind of hope the right people are in charge, right? Yeah. Uh what did you what did you think of the uh the new uh Jason image, though, his new look? Uh lose the jacket. I mean right we were saying this. Why does he have a jacket all of a sudden? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 40:46

I mean, uh I I like I I I like the jack the jacket in the remake was was fine, but Freddie versus Jason. Yeah, I hate that movie.

SPEAKER_03 40:58

Yeah, yeah. I we we were talking about how we just don't like Jason in that film.

SPEAKER_02 41:02

I mean stature to look to have platform boots to to make him taller is terrible.

SPEAKER_00 41:08

As a Friday fan, I've only seen that movie three times.

SPEAKER_03 41:11

Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's so small for me too, maybe even two. I don't even know.

SPEAKER_02 41:16

Yeah, I just can't picture Jason standing in front of a mirror, like put putting a jacket on, like tucking himself in before he goes out.

SPEAKER_00 41:24

That's just yeah, you know, I I I think if they're gonna do do a movie, um just go back to basics. I mean, just go back to Crystal Lake, just make it. I mean, also the kills, you know, don't make it like terrifier gore of a terrifier gore, just make it, you know, like for example, final chapter, make the kills quick and and brutal, you know, like in the way they're they're done. Yeah. So and and you know, also have real people in the movie. I mean, nowadays a lot of actors they look like plastic fantastic, you know.

SPEAKER_02 42:01

Uh yes, everybody's too attractive.

SPEAKER_00 42:04

They're either they're either super buff or or whatever, you know, the the early Fridays and and older movies, you know, it was just real kids with yeah good looks, but still, you know, it could be the boy or girl next door.

SPEAKER_03 42:17

Yeah, your neighbors, your cousins, your brothers, your sisters, all that. Like it was just, yeah, it all made sense.

SPEAKER_02 42:22

Yeah, now every every guy's got a six-pack, every girl's wearing working, wearing a bikini, everybody just looks perfect. I was just like, it's not real. I mean, obviously, it's not real, but like I want a little bit more reality, like regular, like you said, regular looking.

SPEAKER_03 42:37

Yeah, Uncle Pete's been been talking about that one uh quite a bit. So I knew as soon as you said that he'd be like Yes.

SPEAKER_00 42:44

Yeah, it's a pet all. One thing I I would really like to see again in a Friday 13th movie that we haven't seen in in also a lot of the later sequels is the atmosphere, you know. In Friday 1, 2, 3, 4, you know, sometimes you would just have a a shot of the lake, you know, when the storm would come, or you just see raindrops on a leaf in I think it's part two, you know, just these little little uh shots that you know give the atmosphere just you hear a you hear a loon and you're just like you know, you just transported into that environment.

SPEAKER_03 43:19

And it just yeah, I I definitely agree. There's certain movies that really uh played off the environment. And I mean it's it's the most uh built in uh like environment for a horror film as you can get. It's the woods. You don't even need anything else because it's just inherent, it's in the storyline, and uh, you know, and for you to not capitalize on that, not to make it your own and and and just like you know, really embellish, you know, the features of a forest, a dark forest, you know, it's it's a wasted opportunity. And that's why you you just hope these these projects fall into the right hands, people that understand this and like you know, don't you know and Know how to, you know, pull it together. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:03

Yeah. So uh the the mask though, for the new Jason mask. Wait, you you're are you on board? Now the reason why I asked is we did a little a show on this, and you know, I posted some stuff, and then also before the show I read some stuff, and it it seems to be universally uh panned and and not accepted. Um, but I'm I'm kind of I'm curious to hear what you have to say.

SPEAKER_00 44:28

It's not my favorite mask, I'm gonna be honest. Um I think the way it looked in Sweet Revenge, the the commercial I think the mask was just a little bit too big because people were complaining about uh the physique, but actually the guy who played Jason is actually a stuntman, he's not that small, yeah. So the whole head and thing were just a little was just a little bit too big. And uh, you know, the mask, um it also depends on the lighting in the movie. If you're just gonna have a white mask, um yeah, but the the I'm I'm I just wanna see where it goes. Yeah with this uh this mask. I know that Jason Universe, you know, it's a business. Uh, you know, the the man that mask, that specific design is their uh copyright, so you know they can merchandise it and everything. That's also why you see that mask now everywhere, because it's making money, yeah. Um but yeah, the the overall look, uh yeah, I was a little bit disappointed, but I think everyone was.

SPEAKER_03 45:34

Yeah. Well that and that's the that's the thing. And and you know, I'm like thinking to myself, there's not um there is no movie right now. Like it's not too late to change it. And Uncle Pete actually mentioned off camera, like, you know, a good example was with uh Sonic the Hedgehog when that movie came out and they tested, and it was a brilliant point by Uncle Pete. I'll let you take it from buddy if any could.

SPEAKER_02 46:00

Yes, I remember when the the that Sonic the Hedgehog movie came out, they showed like a trailer and they showed the way he looked, and the internet just blew up. Everybody was saying, Whiskey Tangle, Foxtrot, what is this? Doesn't look and in a rare occurrence, the studio's like backpedaled, like, hey, let's adjust this, and the movie was way better for it, so it's not unheard of. So that's what Jason and I were talking about, trying to keep my fingers crossed, like maybe they're gonna like listen to some of the fan back and it worked because the backlash was real, you know, and that that's those the fans.

SPEAKER_03 46:36

Now, Sonic's fans uh like you know, exceed in numbers the Friday 13th, fam, but you're bringing it down to like you got it's all relative, right? You gotta bring it down to scale. And I'm I'm telling you, if you guys come across someone, someone who posts online that they like this mask, please send it to me. I haven't seen it, I have not seen it yet. So what I'm saying is like you have, and I'm not here to crap on them because I they're trying to do a good thing. Like I've said this before, they're trying to do a cool universal Jason, great idea, but you got to get it right. So it's not too late. Like, listen to your fans. You can make the changes and uh and you're better for it. Uh, your fan base will like you more, and that's just my opinion. But if you anybody that can shoot me a message saying that you like this mask, I want to hear it. I want to know. And yeah, it's the most important part of the franchise.

SPEAKER_02 47:35

There's no Friday the 13th franchise without Jason's mask. It's the most integral part of the entire part is what his mask looks like. The clothes you can adjust everything else, you know, because of what he's doing, but it's the it's the poster. It's we all have it around our road. It's the post, it's everything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:56

Yeah, but I I'm gonna be honest. Of course, the mask, um I mean it's it's not the perfect mask, but I was more thinking, first I want to see a movie and what they're gonna do with a movie. Uh of course the mask is iconic, but for me, the the you know, everything we we we talked about uh before, like the atmosphere, uh the kills, the people, uh the setting, everything, you know. If if everything's good right and the mask is I mean, not perfect, let's say, but the movie's good.

SPEAKER_02 48:30

Well, definitely, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:31

Uh that's that's perspective, you know, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 48:34

Um like I'm also curious, like you said, with the movie has to be good. Like, I'm more curious, like, are they gonna go with a supernatural zombie Jason, or can this Jason be hit with the baseball bat and be knocked out for five minutes? Like, which Jason are they going with? Because you know, it spanned 12 movies. You know, a lot of people know zombie Jason who can like take bullets and stabs and keeps going. Some get knocked out, you know, from a shovel to the back of the head. So I was just curious, like, what J what type of Jason are we gonna see?

SPEAKER_00 49:07

Yeah, yeah, I'm curious. I'm curious.

SPEAKER_03 49:10

I I my my vote is to get the uh early Jason part three, four. That's my vote, but we'll see what happens. Uh it's same, same.

SPEAKER_00 49:19

And also with the Crystal Lake TV show. Um I hope they keep it like a little bit more reality-based, but also that they don't try to explain too much.

SPEAKER_03 49:30

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, it's you know, in a way, like I said, it's been 20 years. You have a loyal fan base, but you're gonna try to appeal to a new fan base. It's been 20 years, like just do it right. Just like, you know, don't worry about regurgitating material, be creative, be smart, and uh and let's see what happens. But the bottom line is we do have some stuff in, you know, we have some uh coal irons in the fire. Um, so we're uh gonna be getting some Friday the 13th stuff in the next little while, and that will be great because that'll give us stuff to talk about and uh celebrate or discuss critically. We'll see. Um, but anyways, I uh so I look forward to uh to your podcast. Obviously, um I'll keep following your page to see updates. Do we have it? Do you know when you're gonna debut it or are you still kind of planning?

SPEAKER_00 50:27

We're still uh planning because we also don't want to do something that's already there. We want to try to m give it a little bit of its own twist. Good stuff, so uh we're still uh discussing that, but we're definitely definitely doing it. So but but when it will be online, I will post it uh or whenever. So uh yeah. Great.

SPEAKER_03 50:49

Well, like I said, I look forward to it. Um I'm very, very grateful for you taking the time to be on the show. And uh if for again, it's on YouTube and on Instagram, Jason Conkers. And uh it's it's it's good good stuff, good material. If you love your Friday 13th, you're gonna love it. So uh thank you, Lambert, for being on our show. And uh again, we'll I'm sure we'll be touching bass uh in the future, and that's always exciting.

SPEAKER_00 51:18

Yes, thank you guys very much. I really appreciate it. And you know, I always love talking about Friday. I mean, it doesn't happen too much, even though I have all this behind me and uh who stares. But um, yeah, it's nice to talk about Friday. I love your channel, and I'm gonna keep following you guys as well. So uh excellent. Appreciate it.

SPEAKER_03 51:39

We got one fan, Uncle Pete. We got one. Yeah, we got one there. We got moving up one at a time. No, that's awesome. Thank you very much. Good luck, and uh, we'll uh we'll stay in touch. Thank you.