How Acupuncture Works For Pain Relief And The Nervous System

Rosanna Giuliani, L.Ac. is a state-licensed, board-certified acupuncturist with nearly two decades of experience and extensive post-graduate specialization. With a special focus on treating chronic pain, joint and spinal issues, migraines, and a wide range of neurological and other health conditions, Rosanna’s approach blends the precision of Western acupuncture techniques with the depth of traditional acupuncture styles.With her extensive background in anatomy and functional movement she works comfortably with people of all ages, backgrounds and activity levels, from those managing chronic or degenerative health conditions to sports enthusiasts and athletes.Her background includes rare and sought-after certifications in multiple systems of neurological acupuncture, including Neuro-Acupuncture, Neuro-Meridian Integrative Acupuncture, and French Medical Auriculotherapy. This gives Rosanna unique expertise to help neurological conditions such as stroke recovery, Parkinson’s Disease, Multiple Sclerosis, Traumatic Brian Injury and Post-Concussive Syndrome, and Cerebral Palsy, among others.

I welcome Rosanna Giuliani , L.Ac. to demystify acupuncture and explain why it is more science than superstition. We connect traditional qi and meridians to nerves, the brain, and the body’s built-in ability to rebalance pain, stress, and mood. 
• Rosanna’s background in neurological acupuncture and chronic pain care 
• What acupuncture is, how different styles developed, why training is intensive 
• Why acupuncture points often match nerve pathways and branching sites 
• How needling sends signals to the brain and changes chemistry and blood flow 
• The “pebbles and dam” metaphor for stress, injury, and long-term imbalance 
• What needles feel like, how they differ from hypodermic needles, why safety is standard 
• Electroacupuncture basics and how frequency changes the effect 
• Insurance realities, superbills, and why time with patients matters 
• Trauma, body memory, and how emotions can present as physical symptoms 
• Anxiety support with head points and ear points, plus simple ear massage 
If anybody has any problems letting go of negative emotions or traumas, please contact me at joankahyller.com because through energy healing, clinical emotional freedom techniques, I can help you with that also. 

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Transcript

Welcome And Guest Introduction

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Hello everyone. Yes, it's Joan Kaylor, and welcome to my podcast. It's been a while. You all know how I like to operate. Quality, not quantity. I have a wonderful guest today, and I'm going to read you about a read to you her bio so you can get a general idea. This is really, really cool, everybody. You are going to love this. So hold that thought and I'll bring it up. Rosanna, and I hope it pronounces G Rosanna. Giuliani. I'm sorry. Giuliani. Giuliani. There it is. She is a licensed acupuncturist, state licensed in Pennsylvania, board-certified acupuncturist with nearly two decades of experience and extensive postgraduate specialization with a special focus on treating chronic pain, joint and spinal issues, migraines, and a wide range of neurological and other health conditions. Rosanna's approach blends the precision of Western acupuncture techniques with the depth of traditional acupuncture styles. With her extensive background in anatomy and functional movement, she works comfortably with people of all ages and backgrounds and activity levels, from those managing chronic and degenerative health conditions to sports enthusiasts and athletes. Her background includes rare and sought-after certifications in multiple systems of neurological acupuncture, including neuroacupuncle, neuromeridian integrative acupuncture, and French medical. Roseanne help me with this, Rosanna, acuculotherapy.

SPEAKER_00 1:57

Curricular therapy.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Thank you.

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The French say it.

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Okay, this gives Rosanna unique expertise to help neurological conditions such as stroke recovery, Parkinson's disease, multiple sclerosis, traumatic brain injury, and post concussive syndrome and cerebral palsy, among others. So I'll give you her contact information later in the podcast. If you're in Pennsylvania and you struggle with any of these challenges, you need to call Rosanna and go see her. I'm not just playing here because we are so lucky in Pennsylvania to have her. I wish she was at the other end of the state because I'm in Pittsburgh and she's near Philadelphia Lancaster. So everybody that's listening around the world and in the U.S., thank you for listening to this. She's going to demystify acupuncture. It's not weird. There is science behind it. Okay, I'm going to keep quiet right now and welcome in Rosanna. Hi, Rosanna. Thank you so much for joining us.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

Oh, this is such a joy.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

Well, I'm I hope to not disappoint it's exciting for me to um kind of give another layer of acupuncture what it is, hopefully answer some questions that people have, um, whether they're curious about it, whether they know about it. I feel like there's always something new to be learned. So I'm excited.

SPEAKER_01 3:31

Let's start out with the basics. What is acupuncture?

What Acupuncture Actually Is

SPEAKER_00 3:34

Ah, so acupuncture um has been around for over 5,000 years. Um, Eastern, they call it, it's it's now been labeled not Chinese medicine. They like to say no more Eastern medicine because there is the Japanese style, there's Korean style acupuncture. So there's actually a lot of different styles of acupuncture. Um, but the beauty of it is, you know, when we go through school as far as acupuncture, which is about three to five years, um, full-time masters, um, it's it's it's a lot. It's a lot to take in. You think you know stuff and you're like, oh no, I don't. Um, and there's oftentimes a lot of physiology and anatomy associated with that. Um, however, you know, some of us think it exists. Some people are kind of like, oh, I'm good with understanding the stomach meridian and the qi and the energy, which makes sense in a lot of levels. Um, but also it's kind of like, well, what do these points actually attribute to? What do these points do? If there are three points that are on the wrist so close to each other, why are there three points on the wrist so close to each other? So a lot of times people, especially over the years, um, Western medicine and such like that, they oftentimes will say, Oh, it's placebo effect. It's um there's they don't really know how it works. They say maybe it works, they don't know how it works. Um and I've been fortunate enough to have teachers that are geeky enough to go through the translation of old Chinese text, because I can't read Chinese as much as I'd love to.

The Science Behind Acupuncture Points

SPEAKER_00 5:08

I am not, it's not my forte. Um, but I've had fortunate enough to have teachers um such as Dr. Pony Cheng and other teachers who have gone through the historical past of acupuncture and why the points exist. So um what we're finding is that every single acupuncture point on the body innervates either a motor nerve, a sensory nerve, both, where a nerve starts, where a nerve ends, and then maybe where a nerve can either bifurcates, meaning splitting it in two, or where it trifurcates, splitting into three. So, as I tell a lot of my patients, I like to say the brain and the spinal cord is like grand central station. Think of it as a subway station. Everything from the brain and the spinal cord that branches out. So let's keep it meridians. We look at the stomach meridian, we look at the small intestine, we look at the heart, we look at the pericardium. Um, layer that with blood vessels, layer that with lymphatic tissue, layer that with um fascia, muscles, right? It all coincides. And it's all these acupuncture points are like subway stations. And the routes to these subway stations are our neurological system, our lymphatic system, our blood, our vascular system. So everything kind of follows in line with each other. And what we believe is that in the day with eastern practitioners, they spoke their language. Well, their language wasn't, you know, X, Y, it wasn't um, you know, the sphenoid nerve that goes to the brachioplexus that goes to this. It was we go by, you know, is it is it early fall? We're into the harvest season. So we're earth points. We're talking spleen and stomach. We found they were fabulous anatomists. Somehow they were able to associate. If you press here, you can actually sense or feel that nerve. Um, I don't know whether or not they did cadavers in the day, but or or dissection, but I have to think that maybe they did. Because some things are very superficial, but some things you really have to, you if you do a cadaver, if you look at dissections, you actually see the nerves running up and how they affect, how they connect. And it's really cool, it's really amazing. And then everything associates. So oftentimes when we put needles in a person, they're like, Well, how does it affect me? Generally speaking, when we put needles in a person into an acupuncture point, you can do pressure points, such as the EFT with the tapping, things in that sort. It basically is a signal that's sent up to the brain. So an afferent signal sent up to the brain, turns the brain on, the brain then sends a signal. Now, it's up to us on what the signal is, but oftentimes it's going to put, it's it can release some dopamines, it can release some serotonin, it can release some cytokins. So it releases all of these chemicals down to react in response to the area that's being stimulated. So that can be fresh blood and oxygen to an area, whether it's distal or then, and it impacts the entire central nervous system, right? It's all associated. We can get into a little bit of the brain gut axis and some of the new stuff we're finding out, even more so through the nasal palate and the stomach, and why we're seeing a lot of more neurodegenerative stuff going on. And it's, you know, we're we're finding these evidential things, even from you know what we're seeing on the scalp of people, um, what we're seeing and things in that sort. But um it's it's really fascinating because in my mind I always tell people the body is an amazing thing. It knows in some way, shape, or form how to correct an imbalance. However, sometimes imbalance isn't always the most efficient, right? It might be for the body at that point in time. And by that I mean the brain registers it, okay. Well, I see this, this, so I'm gonna do this. Um, and this is the new form way now, but it might not be the most effective form. So another way I describe it to people is oftentimes we get sick, we recover, we have a little pebble left behind. We have a surgery, we heal, we recover, another little pebble is left behind. We have kids, um, you know, there might be some trauma, things in that sort that take place, and there's these pebbles that are consistently left behind. And what I call it is it's at some point start to build, right? And they create a dam in the systems. And when there's a dam that takes place in the system, right, the river can't flow through straight as it certainly would. It's now having to traverse right or left, and it's great because it's still maybe hopefully getting to where it needs to be, but it's all these side courses, and so certain things might start to miss fire. Um, other systems aren't getting um well, you can call it energetics because it is a certain area of the body, it's not getting blood, you know, it's not

Qi Flow Stress And The “Dam” Metaphor

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working.

SPEAKER_01 10:05

Quick question here that I wanted to ask. When you talk about the flow of the river, you're referring to the ki or the qi that the Chinese talk about.

SPEAKER_00 10:14

Yeah, yeah. And you can represent flow. I mean, in truth, everything has right. So you can talk about having energy. If we don't have enough blood in our there's not enough um blood in the vessels, we're gonna start to have some heart issues or maybe some anxieties coming up. Um, if the if things are too much up here and not enough, if the lower half of us, because our culture we're so go all the time and we fatigue ourselves, if the lower half, such as the kidneys, right, grounding, or if you if you relate more to the sharas, right? If your root is not there, you can't literally send energy up to grab, to grab the lung, to grab the the breath take in. It can't come up and grab it. And the aspect is if if there's a block in the middle section, if there's a block on the upper section, these areas like you you breathe in the air from there. This the lung meridian is what we're talking about. You breathe in the air, the lungs take the air, send it down to the lungs, and you have fluids, right? So if there's not enough fluids, what happens? Dry skin, we can't breathe. There might be some restriction uh as far as vasculature, both blood and literally fluids in the lungs aren't producing the way they need to, or things can get stuck and congeal if there's heat in the system or something, or same idea, if it's just able to move down, there's stuff that gets stuck. When we get stuck, that's when we start to have some of these metalms or that feeling of chest pain or inability to break. And so we need that connection from upper to lower. And so that's what I mean by these rivers or qi or energy. If if certain things aren't functioning in the direction that they need to, the body will be a little bit smart on how it's offset that, but it's not always the best offset where some of the health problems that come into place, especially folks. Um, like when we deal with a lot of emotional sets, right? We have um you have some of your real clinical ones, like bipolar, manic depressant, things and that sorts, but there's so much anxiety that we have. And you know, as well as men, maybe when people have anxiety, it represents very for each person. Some people, the anxiety, it represents digestive issues. Some people the anxiety represents as um vivid dreams, like just more like chaos going on, they can't get out of their head. They're yes, um, and these are things patients come in. I always say sometimes as acupuncturists having to be a little bit of psychotherapist too, because we have to understand the type of person and how their stress, anxiety, or certain things is representing in their body and what might that disconnect. Is there just too much up here? Is there a block up here? Is there a block in the stomach, um, block where things just aren't moving correctly? So if we can send a signal via certain points of the actor on the body to connect to the brain, we now can send that cell. It's it can be energetic, it can be neurated, it can be blood flow related, it can be lymphatic related. It's all kind of in that same context. We're sending a message up to the brain, letting the brain say, wait a minute, I've got a little ding ding-ding ding ding over to this part of the body. I should, I should send some down there, some juju, you know, send some energy, send some something down there so that it.

Needles Electroacupuncture And Safety

SPEAKER_01 13:37

Um so then one question that I have too, and let's address this for everybody out there, because I always get this question needles, doesn't that hurt? And they go, no, because they're not western needles and they're disposable. She's not gonna try and um sanitize them and use them over again. Different sizes of needles, so no, they don't. So address that when somebody when your patients said, Oh, isn't this gonna hurt? And then the electrodes that sometimes some people use and even cupping. Yeah, I had that done once.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

There's a there's so many things I can say, but it's great, and then in hands, it's like, oh goodness gracious. Um, but the the beauty of so the needles themselves, about the size of human hairs. So I think I read an article quite some time ago that said it takes about 30 acupuncture needles to fill a hyperdermic needle. And the hyperderm needles are the needles that we get our shots with, like if we get a pain or they do any kind of cortisone shot, things in that sort. Um, so and some of them are a little bit thicker, they have to go into deeper tissue, right? We don't want too thin of a needle because it believe it or not, it actually can be sensitive. And then, um, but you know, if I'm doing something on the face, I'm gonna use a more light needle because every there's things more superficial than we might think there to be. Um, here's another perspective. Uh, I don't I'm asking patients this, I'm like, have you ever popped a blister? Some are like, no, never. Some are like, oh yeah, you know, and usually you take a safety pin, a person, you know, you pop a blister, you take a safety pin, hopefully you're sterile in some way, shape, or form, and you pop it, right? And you can use it to come out. Everybody's got their own technique. Um, I, you know, I like to play. What do I do? I took an acupuncture needle, put it with a blister, took it out, was so satisfying, like just not satisfying at all. I get a little bit of blister fluid and blister still exists. So that's small when we think about it. Um, some people are like, well, what about the vasculature and things in them? The arteries and stuff take a deeper set inside. So it's just yeah, sometimes when people get a little freaked out with that, like you get blood. You actually have much thicker needles put to a blood vessel and take blood out of the vessel, and then you just put pressure on it. Um, sometimes even just a small vasculature, sometimes it happens, but you're never gonna bleed out. There's a great SNL skit, shouldn't tell you this, but there's a great SNL skit that um has a patient. You can see they have something on the back or something, and they're sticking needles, and he's just gushing blood all over the place. But you have to have a good sense of humor about that. Nothing like that happens unless you're that technique. There is in Eastern culture, um, there are some bleeding techniques, so that is more like a medic lancet that they use, and they'll bleed a certain area um to reduce heat in somebody.

SPEAKER_01 16:40

I personally am not a fan of it, just my forte acupuncture myself for lower back problems and my knee, and I'm really I enjoy it because I understand it. And then my uh puncturist, she uh she's from Beijing, and she said she came over here. They train, she got trained both in western medicine and eastern medicine. She goes, Oh, too many hoops to John through to be a doctor over here. I'm just gonna be an acupuncturist. But she is so amazing how she died. And I said, She diagnoses with the tongue and taking the pulse, like a real Chinese doctor. She goes, Your liver is on fire. We have to calm your liver. I go, Okay, do your thing. But it's just it was amazing, and now my boyfriend gets acupuncture. Yeah, so yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:34

Usually folks who are a little bit hesitant about the first. So this is the cool thing, too, is uh, and sometimes I have little kids. Like I had about I had two this week, um, including a baby, and we don't do needles on babies, you know. So we have a technique called Shonny Shin, which is kind of like a tapping knights, because they're so small that their their station is is it doesn't take much. Um, but that's why we use tacks. I call them tacks, they literally look like a tack. Um, they're like a band-aid with a silk. Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 18:04

I've used those too.

SPEAKER_00 18:05

Yes, yeah, yeah, we can use those. Um, but oftentimes when people have their first or second initial acupuncture, they realize like, okay, once it's in, it might feel a little pinch here and there, but generally speaking, once in you're just like in la la land.

SPEAKER_01 18:21

Really? It's so relaxing. I mean, needles when you get a blood draw is more of a pin or more of a pinch than an acupuncture needle.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

Yeah, yeah, for sure. And then the electrostems, um, some patients do well with that, some patients don't. So it's as folks, even when I'm doing acupuncture, like I have to write recipe for you, um, meaning that what for one is not going to be the exact recipe for you. Um, so by that, but the the electrodes are really interesting because you have like two hertz and four hertz, which end up being GABA rhythms to the brain. So it's nice rhythmic signal to the brain. A lot of patients will fall asleep. Um, the only time higher hertz is if we were looking at the head, we need to have a higher stimulation, more sensory, uh nerves are sensory-based. We want a higher stimulation so that the signals kind of attribute to that's with people who might have some numbness, uh, neuropathy in the hands or the feet because they can't feel as much ACE. So we want to get them feeling, which means we have um amp it up a little bit, but it's actually a nice current base for each patient, depending on what you're working with.

SPEAKER_01 19:35

Does that answer your question? Yes, beautifully. Oh my gosh. So it's the biggest question I try and explain is now everybody asks me this all the

Insurance Superbills And Time With Patients

SPEAKER_01 19:47

time. I need to I want to use my insurance. So, do you give super bills?

SPEAKER_00 19:53

Do you take super bills? In our practice, we take super bills. Um, there are some practices that will take Medicare paid, um, some practices that will take insurance. Um, you're gonna find it's a little mixed bag of the practitioner. And truth be told, um, I tr I have tried in the past to do insurance and it's extremely difficult. We just we're not seen in the same context as an MD or doctor with this. I get it. Reimbursed or paid becomes a challenge. However, we're spending a lot more time painting with patients, right? And and looking at the whole systematic approach. I mean, there's been times um I had a patient that was coming to me for uh some tremor things, and I put him a neurological test, and he was still seeing a neurologist, so put him through some neurological tests. I'm like, yeah, I don't, I don't see a Parkinson bait new, but I'm not, I didn't tell him, I'm not a doctor, I cannot notice that. I'm just telling you from neurological tests what I'm seeing. And he had he was he was cute. He's like, You prepped me, you prepped me with a neurologist, because he's like, he did the same test and he's the same thing you did. I'm like, well, that's good to know that I'm like at least perceiving correctly. But um, you know, it's I lost my train of thought a little bit, but um the the ideology um I get talking and I lose my thoughts. Bear with me. It's getting older, maybe. I'm the oldest one in the room, so no way um but the idea is to communicate and talk with patients a little bit to understand um where they're at, but also kind of perceive where they're coming from too. And and you know sometimes Western medicine is too rushed and they just go by signs and symptoms. Wow. And when Western when they just go by signs and symptoms, I mean they're like, Oh, well, you have an underlying back issue, so it's coming from your back. Meanwhile, the patient has a big black and blue behind their knee, it's like no. There's something physically going on with the knee. Um, and so oftentimes, and I've had a colleague of mine who's out of Scrinton who um there was a a patient of hers that just had a baby. Um, I think she's a cesarean, and she kept complaining of flank pain, like lower abdominal pain. It was just a lot of discomfort. And she went to the urgent care and OR time or ER, excuse me, a few times and they're like, Oh, well, you're just cesarean. It's normal to feel that discomfort and pain. She came in and she's like, Can I palpate your stomach? She's like, Yeah. And and she did. And it's like hard, hard, hard, hard bloop. She's like, um, have any of the doctors like, please tell me they've palpated your tummy? And she's like, No. So out of all these visits that she had, no one had taken the time to just palpate her stomach. She did get a CAT scan. And um, you know, my my colleague, my friend, had said to her, I think you might have a hernia. And that could be very well causing your pain. So, yes, you had a cesarean, do think that you have a hernia, which is part of that discomfort that you're having. And the CT scan came back a few days later, and she's like, That's what I got.

Trauma Body Memory And Emotional Patterns

SPEAKER_00 23:05

And it was a hernia. And it's unfortunate. So, in some beautiful act as acupuncturist, we we do get the opportunity to be more hands-on with patients, yes, and get a full picture. A lot of times with the intakes that I'm with patients, I'll ask them, Um, like, I have an interesting patient now. She's she's such a doll. Um, but I had asked her, have you had any traumas in your past life? She um she has she suffers from a lot of vivid dreams um and has done many, many things. And I'm like, Have you had traumas in your life? And she's like, Well, you know, she started with a couple, and then as we progressed, she was telling me some other things that she remembered now that occurred. Um, and it's funny, it's really fascinating how certain things still come up. And we're finding even triggers based on certain acupuncture points that will trigger some memory that she may have had even as a kid. Um, and this is fascinating. I don't know if you've heard of uh Gay Hendricks Conscious Living. Um he's been around, it's it's been out forever, but it was an opinion to me as far as how the tissue like their body remembers things even when we're in fetus, right? Yes. Um and and we it if it's kind of a theory if you're brought to this world unwanted, you'll generally tend to have personality traits or uh characteristics or habits to want to be accepted, to want to be wanted um without knowing all that behind there. So it's really fascinating um just to even see how certain points will bring up memories for her.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

Absolutely. And I'm a student, I love generational trauma. You don't necessarily have to have the trauma in your current life, you could have inherited the generational trauma.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:48

And you see a lot of that. Issues hold it all, and then whether it's acupuncture, and I've been trained that the chakras, which are the major energy centers of the body and the biofield or the aura around us, holds every memory, every experience, every trauma, so that I work to help my clients release those memories, those traumas in their energy system, in the biofield, because um, in my course, it's called the fourth wave of healing. It's not always in the meridian system, it might be in the chakras, it might be in the biofield, but they're all interconnected one way or the other. So I'll go into meditation to figure out which system is the best for this person and their situation. It's it's just amazing to me.

Anxiety Treatment With Head And Ear Points

SPEAKER_01 25:44

So, for instance, Rosanna, if somebody has anxiety, at what point, where would you put the needles? I mean, you'll obviously have to have an intake and a diagnosis and all that stuff, but I mean, including the stomach meridian, is there any other place under the eye and by the mouth and under the ear?

SPEAKER_00 26:02

Any other places are you looking specifically for the EFT overlap?

unknown 26:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:09

Is that what you're looking for? I will definitely get into that. But if somebody came with anxiety, yeah, um my die, my my true ones that I will do, generally speaking, um, I love the head and the ears because it's like turning on the television. Yes, yes, yes. Um, so there's two points on the head called um it's uh foot motor sensory area, it's kind of like really middle the top of the head, but it covers kind of the frontal cortex and prefrontal cortex a little bit along with motor. So if somebody has back pain, it's a twofer. But where the location is it is actually hits three of the four ventricles of the brain, vasculaturely wise. So, what that means is it will help a lot of the rest and digest symptoms. So it will help sleep cycles, it will help. I've actually had a patient come out of a cyclical like PTSD and always kind of in that cyclical form, starting those points with him, still doing his original therapy. He was able to get out of that cyclical cycle, which he had been in for years. So again, resetting the brain a little bit to find that new norm. My other favorite is um right here, we call it it's uh traditional Chinese medicine calls it um GV23 and 24, it's heart heat essentially.

SPEAKER_02 27:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:27

Um, but this correlates specifically with the front cortex of the brain. What this is our limbic system, this is our emotional center. Um so it's a nice point to kind of do that. So if people who tend towards um anxiety or depression depends, if they're way, they're really up here, I kind of do it in different direction to kind of guide the energy down, in my opinion. Um, yin tan is also another one that we do. I know EFT, we do uh you guys do a lot of the Taiong because it kind of co it almost replicates where the pineal gland is.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

Palatine area. So it's kind of like again, sleep cycles, it just it's the third eye, right? You look at um Eastern Indian cultures and they have dots here as the religious symbols. So it's it's almost like in its it's our um our our third eye, right? Our indigo, it's it's that that centering yoga, it's our centering. It's a beautiful point to like allow person to just center, and then the ears love hate. Everyone loves them, everyone hates them. Um so the ears, I learned a technique called relaxation triad from my teacher. And um, Dr. Limi actually it's it's kind of brilliant. So he calls it the cosmonaut point, just as it sounds like kind of floating in space cosmonaut, but it actually sits at the L2 spine in the ear. So the L2 is the the point of the ganglia for the sympathetic tone in the body. Um, so it brings things downwards, and then um there's the sensory mouth point, which is kind of on the lobe of the ear. It's considered the midpoint of the brain. Okay. Um, which is a little more specifically for the emotional context, and then um corpus collagen, which balances both hemispheres of the brain. It is like it's basically uh a how how do it's um what's the word I'm looking for? It's basically like a valium. Oh, okay. Text like a value.

SPEAKER_01 29:39

Text those points again, please. Instead of a valuum, try this.

SPEAKER_00 29:45

So I always say people don't really recognize the ear as much, and the ear is basically an upside-down fetus. Okay, okay, and also the ear, much like I believe the EFT points to be, is kind of representing a little bit more the cranial nerves, which also the brain, and all the cranial nerves the ear at some point or another. Points are it's kind of like right on the inside. What was the Shen Men? But if you put your finger in your um and you find a little divot there, yes, at the very top, that's that's cosmonaut. Okay. If you take, even if you just were to rub your over the ear gently, okay. You're using the mass, most of us have ear piercing or holes like I do. But yeah, sensory master is right kind of in there. There's actually a lot of good juicy point here, but that's why I say even if you gently just massage, I find that you'll you'll stimulate just to really kind of keep the body centered, even just work all the good things. The other one is right on the trigus, outside the trigus here. So it's it's little right. It's kind of like um so it's not right in the ear. It's like, let me get really close in. Um it's kind of right here. Oh, you know what? Let me see if you guys can see it better on this. Maybe you can, maybe you're not.

SPEAKER_01 31:08

It's like well, you're gonna have to hold it a little bit higher.

SPEAKER_00 31:13

Okay. Okay. Yeah. Uh-huh. Cosmona is right here.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

Centering master points, kind of the middle of the lobe.

SPEAKER_01 31:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

And then you're looking at corpus callosum or hemispheres, both ears, right at the outside of the trigus there.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

Neat. Fun little ear charts. Okay, folks, everybody start massaging your ears.

SPEAKER_00 31:40

You can like even just kind of massaging. Yeah. Just tell me this too. Like, this is the best thing you can do. Scout massages, best thing ever. And then same with like just running along, you know, the trigus and doing that is like basing every aspect of the vertebrae down the spine.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

Oh, that's beautiful. Oh, I wish I lived near closer to you.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

We can talk anytime. I'm uh I'm due visit up that way, so we'll have to meet for yummy.

SPEAKER_01 32:11

Yes, Rosanna. This has been absolutely fabulous. Now, if somebody does live, well, you're licensed, but you don't take insurance, so people come and see you wherever they are. I mean so close to the Delaware border and the Maryland border, do you ever get any patients from down there?

SPEAKER_00 32:33

I get people from Jersey. Um, I just had a kid in last week from Williamsport, Pennsylvania.

SPEAKER_01 32:40

Beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 32:40

Um, yeah, so I get Maryland not much per se. But the other thing too is there's a couple, as far as a network of folks who do the neural stuff. So if somebody's looking for neuro like neurope and they live in a certain area, oftentimes who each other are and can refer if there's somebody a little closer. But we I do get some people. Um New York has a few good professionals up that way too. Um refer if they didn't want to come down, but then again, it has a you know, some people prefer male practitioners over female, vice versa. Um, but yeah, so there's oftentimes Pennsylvania, Philly, uh east to west, outside Lancaster, north, you know, Jersey. I think I'm trying to think of our further north, but there is sometimes people will drive a few hours for sure.

SPEAKER_01 33:28

It's fantastic.

Finding Rosanna And Final Takeaways

SPEAKER_01 33:29

How do people reach you? What do you want people to have?

SPEAKER_00 33:36

Yeah, absolutely. So um, you can look at the website, it's inner wellness acupuncture.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

I think it's I'm gonna say this again. We go we have to go slower on this. Inner wellness acupuncture, and then is it a dot?

SPEAKER_00 33:51

So it's inner lights. So the the website, I'll give you the um the website. It's I W Oh Acupuncture dot com.

SPEAKER_01 34:04

Okay, hold that thought one second here because I just want to bring it up.

SPEAKER_00 34:08

Yeah, make sure it is up, please. I W and then what's the rest of it? I W. Hold on. I L as in Larry W.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 34:19

Acupuncture dot com.

SPEAKER_01 34:22

Acupuncture.com. Hold that thought. Make sure it's right. It says, there you are. Love your life with acupuncture. Okay, I'm coming back here because I want to share this with the world. Okay, here is Roseanne's Rosanna's. Here it is.

SPEAKER_00 34:48

Oh, look at you, Fancy. Oh, I have this all the time.

SPEAKER_01 34:54

Oh, what a beautiful look at this, people. Run, do not walk, fly, do not drive. Beautiful. Look at this, everyone. Specialties include chronic pain, peripheral neuropathy, women's health, autoimmune, and neurological conditions. She is so talented, everyone. Honest to my pete. Oh, we are so lucky. Oh, I'm I've got chills.

SPEAKER_00 35:31

Well, I'm excited and honored to be, you know, part of the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

So I appreciate the oh no, this is fantastic. That's how you can reach Miss Rosanna. Fantastic. Thank you so much, Rosanna, for this. Hopefully, I answered a lot of things. Shout out to Miss Ashley for referring you to my podcast. Yeah. So, everyone, I of course will have all of Rosanna's information in the podcast. And then I want to thank everybody for listening, for watching. If anybody has any questions about acupuncture, Rosanna can answer them at an intake if you're a new patient. Yeah. And if anybody has any problems letting go of negative emotions or traumas, please contact me at joankahyller.com because through energy healing, clinical emotional freedom techniques, I can help you with that also. It has been my honor and so much fun to meet you, Rosanna. Likewise, thank you. Thank you and thank everyone out there for listening and watching. I so appreciate all of you. And for right now, I will say namaste and take care.