The AI Handshake

If an AI can do 80% of your job, do you retire tomorrow or do you realize the 20% it can’t do is the only part that actually mattered? We’re talking algorithmic bias, cultural erasure, and why the 'Future of Work' needs a serious soul-check. The AI Handshake is live."

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:20

Brandon.

SPEAKER_01 0:22

How's it going? It's going really well on you? I can't complain too much. Recovering from a little illness, but I'll make it.

SPEAKER_00 0:28

What in the hyper compliance out of compliance is going on?

SPEAKER_01 0:32

Nobody needs to tell them your medical history. They need to understand these things happen.

SPEAKER_00 0:38

Okay, so you're trying to say in sickness and in health, the podcast will keep going.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

It will go on in sickness or in health. The show must go on. The show must go on. Routes and routes. Routes and routes, routes and routes.

SPEAKER_00 0:50

Okay, um, it's a new it's a new recording. Uh we've not done this in two weeks, so there's a lot of catch-up. What have you been up to in the last two weeks?

SPEAKER_01 0:59

Uh well, like I stated, uh uh battling uh a little illness, but other than that, uh really just working hard. Um started back my classes for my PhD, my doctorate program.

SPEAKER_00 1:12

Okay, come to your doctor.

SPEAKER_01 1:14

Uh that's going. Um, and you know, really just uh working hard. It's a busy time of year at the school. So busy time of year at the school. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

Um for me it's been a lot of singing. Yeah, so we're getting ready for Holy Week uh in two weeks' time, and uh I have like five days of singing non-stop. Uh our music director shared with us um the music program and all the songs for the Holy Week. And I kid you not, I have like the very thick pile of music I have to learn. So I think after this recording, I'm just going straight into rehearsals, rehearse, rehearse, rehearse. So pray for me and pray for my voice.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

That's why you're staying far away from me. So you can keep that thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:58

Listen, I can't afford to catch anything. Anybody's you know, I stay in my sterile bubble and try to keep it that way, okay?

SPEAKER_01 2:04

Yeah, and get you a t-shirt that says wear your mask.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

Wear your mask, people, wear your mask, people. Okay, other than that, any fun thing? Um in the last couple of weeks, no, I haven't done anything.

SPEAKER_01 2:17

The weather was really nice. Um, that's true. Yeah, I didn't get a chance to enjoy it like that. Um, but it was nice.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

I went for a walk in the woods and got 20,000 steps. Nice. So I was very proud of that, and it just set my journey for what my fitness should look like this year. So I was very excited about that.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

So you were able to enjoy the weather, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

You know, you know, I like to spend time outdoors, and I think it's the perfect time now because the trees are not yet budding, so we don't have a lot of pullings in the air, so I can still walk in the woods and not come back and feel my chest is on fire. So in another two weeks, I won't be able to do that. But for now, I just you know enjoy going and walking around. It's a good way to get steps without thinking about it because you everything is visually stimulating, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:09

Yes, and that's a nice thing to do rather than on a treadmill or elliptical machine. I hate the treadmill. I think you went back to the gym, didn't you? Um, I attempted, okay, but I wasn't able to stick with it. But uh, hopefully this next round, uh, once I'm back to 100% uh closer to the weekend, that I can stick with it. Stick with it.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

Okay, all right. So this is to Brandon sticking to his fitnet goals. Um, I think we'll ask you in two weeks' time.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

There's some shade involved in it. But it's okay.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

Listen, I'm not shady, I'm just you know being practical here and say what is what is, yeah. Um, okay. Um, other than that, um, PSA tax season is upon us, so spend your tax return wisely.

SPEAKER_01 3:57

If you get a return, you spend it wise thing. You get some uh ERC, some earned income credit. You have any children to claim?

SPEAKER_00 4:05

I have. I'll let you know I have two. You know, shout out to my beautiful ones. I have two of them, so yes, I I will be claiming things, you know. You know, so um, and who knows, maybe buy buy something vanity. No, no, no. I'm gonna spend it wisely, you know. Could have spent it wisely. So let me let me see. Yeah, on your uh luxury cologne. You see, you see this is why I don't tell you things, but it's okay, it's fine. It's fine. Yeah, it's okay. It's just uh in the world. I think today's topic is going to be a very interesting one, and we are going to be talking all things AI, um, artificial intelligence, and I think it's one topic that I think has been a long time coming, and um, I'm happy we're having that handshake today. Um, it's not going to be, guys, a super technical AI conversation, but I think looking through the lens of you know an African American versus an African immigrant, you know, a Gen X versus um a millennial, and somebody in education versus somebody in the healthcare, I think that the way we view and perceive AI is going to be quite different, and I think sharing those differences and perspective is going to be interesting. Are you excited about that topic? I'm excited about it.

SPEAKER_01 5:18

Yeah, always good to learn more.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

Yeah, and one thing that got me interested in it is that I think you've been laughing about it for a couple of weeks now, is that there's all been these layoffs going on in the corporate world, and everybody's blaming AI. And then I found myself on the dark side of TikTok every night scaring myself to sleep, watching the playoff videos, and so so the question then becomes is AI our bestie, or is AI you know going to be like this threat that we're going to deal with? So, maybe a good way to start and ease into the conversation is um I have two stories I wanted to share with you about, and then I'll ask my question. So the first one is about a family in Ghana who stumbled upon some old traditional cooking recipes that their great-great-grandmother had you know gotten some help to write down, but it was written in a local language that is not commonly spoken, and so the children who now live in America were able to get hold of those recipes and have AI translate for them those things into English, and now suddenly they've been able to unlock recipes that were sort of forgotten in the family, and even with ingredients that are not very common in present day, the AI was not able to not only translate the language to English but also tell them if this is not available, try this, and if that's not available, try that. So I thought that was a very cool one. And then I read about a story of the AI grief industry in India and how there is a boom in the grief industry. So, you know, can you imagine in the griefing or morning industry? You have people who run mortuaries, who run funeral homes, who build caskets, who are the ones who carry the caskets and do all the ceremony. Now there's a new group of people who use AI to create hyper-realistic um images and videos and long form, short form animations and realistic videos of departed long ones. And so, for example, a but this particular story I read was talking about a lady who was very sad that her father wouldn't be there to bless the marriage, and in Indian culture, that's like a huge thing to have, and so they were able to take images and old videos of the dad and create a hyper-realistic um short uh video where the father where the father was blessing the couple, and that was played at a strategic time in the ceremony, and everybody got to sit down and just hear the father's voice and see the father's image doing things in the same mannerism and all of that. So that just unlocked my brain to there's just a lot going on there, right? As it were. So, do you have any personal anecdotes as to where you might have used AI in your own personal family kind of dynamics? I'm just wondering.

SPEAKER_01 8:19

Not um in my own personal anecdotes like that. Well, actually, I'll take that back. Yes, um, I remember it was my mom's birthday last year. Yeah, okay, okay, I was still not as familiar with how to generate images and things like that. You had uh show me some of that even through uh WhatsApp. And so I sent a picture of my mom to you. Uh, and my mom passed away in her 40s. Um, I sent a picture of my mom to you, and you actually created it as if she was the 70-something-year-old woman she would be. I remember that. You just unlocked that memory. I sent it to my family. My brother loved it. My brother actually posted it as the uh background picture for our uh family group chat, as well as he posted it on Facebook as well because he loved it so much. And it it was like just a a great image of her to show like what she would have looked like had she been here to age into her 70s. Yeah, so yes, I do have a I didn't I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

Yeah, but but that that's that's the kind of thing that AI doesn't sound scary using, right? Are there other are there other things you do?

SPEAKER_01 9:31

Like you you just said you're doing your PhD, so do you think that's it? Yeah, absolutely. So definitely I use it um within my program and PhD. Uh you have to cite whatever um prompt you use uh to generate it. So uh use it in that sense. I actually use it um to write certain things for my day job, day school, versus uh my graduate program uh as well. And we actually use it as part of a coaching tool for teachers, uh platform we use. So it can put together um things that you've coached teachers on, whether it was like classroom management, lesson planning, whatever. Um, and it might say, like, okay, you've um mentioned this to five or six teachers. You might want to think about a PD professional development uh that you want to do with this set of teachers. So it has AI tools within it uh that you can use as well. So that's the most familiar I've used it with. And then I've been introduced to some platforms that uh want to present themselves. Principals always get asked to uh for someone trying to sell something or whatever, so they're now trying to take student data, especially students with IEPs, and put together that student data and then make suggestions as to what type of programs will work for this student, like learning programs will work for this student uh to build in in areas where uh they're struggling.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

Okay, okay. So, um, I mean, I work in the health tech industry, so I use AI every day in a very intimate manner. Um, but I also think that I've been very blown away by the kinds of things I've been able to do with AI. So I've used AI to do 3D sketches of a futuristic house that I have no money to build, but I want to build in the future, and that that's more that's the kind of thing where I would have had to pay a serious architect or a serious designer to put together, and I AI was able to do that for me. I've been able to use AI as a backup to check um and project what my taxes um and tax return and what I might potentially owe or the government might owe me might be this year. And so while I'm waiting on my tax person to get back to me on what the numbers are, I already have numbers that the AI has thrown at me. So it'd be nice to compare and see to what extent there was convergence or divergence between what I the AI said my taxes will look like, my file return will look like this year versus what the actual tax person comes in.

SPEAKER_01 12:06

Um especially when you're filing across several states, yes, and everything, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Like if it's picking up, yeah, it picked up everything, so it did, and it looks legit, but textiles from different states, yeah, yeah, exactly. And and it and it actually looked legit, but like I said, I am holding you know my bitter bread and waiting to see what shows up at the end of the day. So that's going to be very um interesting. Um, and then I also um what do you call it? I've seen people use it for other legal things. So I've seen like friends of mine who have said, Oh, I may not necessarily want to seek legal cancel first, so let me try with AI and figure out where some of these things are. But then on the other hand, the other day I saw that in New York they are putting out a law to put some restrictions around using AI to provide medical, nursing, legal types of consultation responses without the right disclaimers and all of that. So I think very um interesting times.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

Yeah. Um, so the law to say that they cannot do it, or just that they have to give a disclaimer that this is not advice that is coming from a medical professional or a legal professional. Yeah, so it's the latter. You know that you're using AI, so you can't say, like, oh, this is absolutely correct.

SPEAKER_00 13:25

Yeah, and all of that. Yeah, so so it's the latter. That's that's what that that that has been. Okay, so I think you went into another segment, a good segue into the segment of we've talked about the great things about AI, we've talked about how AI works in our personal lives, we've given some examples, and then you've even gone into your professional world to talk about where you've been using it. So there is a story I read about the use of AI. Um, and so they had created some type of student learning AI platform in Chicago and tried to bring it to the South Bronx, and it uh it's like an AI to talk to master algebra. And some of the feedback I read in this article was saying while it was really good, it was the the way it kept speaking was in very technical terms, and it couldn't come down to using the kind of slangs that students or teachers will use in a more intimate, personal kind of setting. And so I guess for me the question has been in your use of AI professionally and personally, where do you think it's good, it could be better? Where have you seen those drawbacks for? Yeah, if any at all. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

Yeah, I think that um I I did some learning too. I know that AI is mostly used in on the high school level because those students can connect with it. It can be more self-guided, if you will. Uh, some in middle school. Uh, I'm in an elementary school, so it's a little hard for students to connect with it on that sense and do like the um self-guided lessons or work on their own for extended periods of time. They're gonna need that interaction with uh uh a teacher or or some type of coach as well. Uh, and so I know a lot of high school students are using it, but it was interesting because the data shows that they're mostly using it, using it in uh ELA subject, like for writing and that type of thing, versus math. So I've thought that that finding that data was interesting as well, uh, meaning they need more human interaction when it comes to math. So, in correlation with what you're stating, it's you know, seeming like that's some something that needs to be worked out. Like, how does that now translate to help students of all different types of background? Yeah, right. Okay. Uh as well.

SPEAKER_00 15:48

So okay, that's that's that's quite interesting. I think for me, where I've seen it break down, and I think you will laugh at this, is when it comes to voice audio translation, and primarily because we have quote unquote an accent. Um, so you've heard me battle with my Alexa. Where I would say, Oh, do this and do that, and you would not listen to me, or and then you will say the exact same thing, and you will just think of like what in the bias is going on here and all of that, right? Or the discrimination as it were. My feelings very hot by a machine. But I think it's even more dire when you now come to the African context, because now you're dealing with primarily accented English speakers, if that makes sense, but you're also dealing with people who, for most people, typing and writing is not the primary form of communication, the primary form of communication is speaking, and so if we have AI models that are not truly optimized for different types of accents and voices, forget languages, it becomes a real problem because not only are you then saying unless you can type something, you can't get the full benefit. You're also saying that even when you can speak, you need to have a certain type of Euro-US centric accent as opposed to what will happen here. Coming down to America, then you can imagine that when you maybe in Nigeria speaking pidgin and I expect it to pick up my pidgin, there might be ebonics that you expect it to pick up here. And I wonder if you worry that those are the kinds of things that AI being built today is not optimized for and might be a a way of sort of creating a divide between who gets to use it in its purest and highest form versus those who can't.

SPEAKER_01 17:34

Um, you're more experienced and more averse, like on the back end, how these things are built. And I guess that's as an educator, I'm always thinking like how at what markets, how are these things tested on the back, who's involved in testing these? And then again, like what is their target market? Like, is it are they thinking that I want to open this to everyone, you know, when your uh your business model is being created? Like, who are we gonna test these things on so that that doesn't happen, right? Like, is it going to pick up different accents, um, different you know, voice inflection, all of those things as well?

SPEAKER_00 18:11

Yeah, okay. So there are other things people claim AI is really helping with. I think one of them is saying it really reduces the workload. Is that something you've seen? Is that something you feel is real and tangible? So I've spoken to, depending on who you speak to and which part of the world, there are people who say, Oh, yeah, we used an AI model to help health workers, and because of that, we can digitalize a lot of medical records, a lot of patient documents, and doctors don't have to spend all this time writing notes and everything. And the other point I said, No, this just transfers the load and gives me one extra thing I need to do. So that that integration is not where it needs to. So I wonder whether in the education sector you've seen anything about AI that makes you feel, oh, when this becomes fully implemented in the school I run, I can see workload reducing for my teachers. I wonder if there's anything, and if there's nothing, it's fine. I'm just curious. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:07

Well, I think it's more like workload time savings, right? Like you're thinking of it in that sense of time savings. Obviously, for teachers, lesson planning, right? Um, even now, more so like we bought into buying curriculums and that type of thing, which is supposed to reduce that planning time for teachers so they can really spend their time internalizing the lesson. So, like you need to know and understand what it is that you're teaching rather than sitting and rewriting out this extended lesson plan that looks beautiful, and then you get in front of students and it's like, okay, that didn't come across the same. Uh, so really spending the time on internalizing a lesson versus you know writing these uh very intrinsic lesson plans for me to review or look over, which we've already paid someone that spent years researching and building out a curriculum that is designed to support specific needs and standards for students as well. Um, and so I think that uh some teachers are well versed in it, you know, especially the young ones, like they can use it to create uh a different format for their lesson plans. Or now AI is picking up on a different curriculum, so you can put something in there and name the specific curriculum that you use, and so it can give you notes for a book, whereas the teacher might not have read all of the chapters in the book and now they have these cliff notes from the book, and so it's a little shorter for them, and they can still have a full engaging conversation with students as they're reading along in the class.

SPEAKER_00 20:41

Yeah, but I hear what you say, but I I think what I'm trying to push out of you is to say, does the summation of all of these examples mean that you see a world where things get faster or the world gets a lot easier because you've put this thing at scale in your school?

SPEAKER_01 20:58

Yeah, I think it's the time savings because you have some teachers, like now they can focus on how they are really going to differentiate lessons for different types of learners and that type of thing, right? Um, and having using AI to build out some of that for them. So the time savings is there because you would hear teachers say, I have to go home and now work another two hours, three hours after the school day, plus grade papers, plus respond to emails, plus, you know, have my own life and family. So I think it is going to be a time savings for them, which then relieves a lot of stress. So, you know, education is a stressful job. So now hopefully we can start seeing more productivity as far as how the teachers are connecting with the students and spending more time on the movements that matter with those students.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

Exactly. Okay. I think I think that makes sense. But then now let's start to look at who is AI replacing. So I'll start. So so one of the things I can tell you from the corporate side of things is if you are in a job that involves a lot of repeatable tasks, you have to think of upscaling because anything that is repeatable and reproducible can be automated. And once it can be automated, it's a prime use case for AI to come in, right? Um so I don't think that's the case in education because no two classes are the same. No, so but then I also wonder if there are certain things that are like set standard, there's no other way to teach it. You have to follow the steps and and don't invent your own, don't choose your own pathway or choose your own journey. And then the other things like maybe ELA where you can do that. So I'm wondering who do you think, if any at all, is at most risk of being replaced by AI in the education sector?

SPEAKER_01 23:03

I think it's the education, uh, educational consultants. So a lot of times we reach out to others to consult them on like maybe how to build something, how to teach something, how to coach on something. And I think now we're gonna have access to use AI as a tool to create those things ourselves, to build those things ourselves. Whereas the day-to-day in-school education professionals will still have a job because somebody has to be there with the students. Um, so I don't see it replacing teachers, uh, administrators right now, but there's a lot of educational consultants and maybe some people on the network side or district side of things that AI could possibly replace.

SPEAKER_00 23:50

Oh, okay. So if I asked you um a question like as a principal, if tomorrow we were able to build an AI that could replicate your many many years of principal experience and do 80% of your job, will you be happy retiring? One and would you feel by relinquishing control to AI to run your school the school has lost its soul? And if so, why?

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Um, I would always be happy retiring. So, like, yes, at this age, yes, I can retire and be okay with that. Um, but I don't think that AI can replicate what we not just me as a principal, my entire staff, because you have to be present and there with the students to support them. Um, you know, make sure safety number one, like how are students moving and transitioning through the building, that type of thing. Even if you were using some type of AI platform as far as how to teaching, somebody still needs to be in the classroom with them, monitoring that, um, like we spoke about earlier, um, being able to have that human interaction and response and discussion and questioning as well. And repeat the second question.

SPEAKER_00 25:11

Will an AI running a school at the principle mean the school has lost its soul? And think of it in the context of the demographic makeup of your school, the kinds of students that come, the parents of those students, and where you think AI is today in terms of being inclusive of all types of cultures and backgrounds and nuances.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

Absolutely. I mean, we struggle now with how much we use technology because there's this addiction to technology that students have. Um, and even now we see it, uh, a gap being created in the retention of knowledge because how much balance are we getting with the old style of pen to paper or pencil to paper, and them internalizing that versus them looking at a screen, reading a story, and trying to answer multiple choice questions or type a short response? Um, their attention span is very low when they're on those devices because they want to get to the games, or they want to finish thinking they can go to something they prefer doing, YouTube or whatever it is, on the computer versus actual learning from the computer. And you find that teachers are using in a way, uh, in a way that is to manage the students, like classroom management, because obviously they're gonna be quiet. You put them on a computer, give them a headset. Now they're quiet, and the teacher feels like, whoo, I can get some things done as well. So that interaction that needs to be happening in school, that discussion, that question, that curiosity from students, um, I find like, yes, we're starting already to lose that just from technology, not just AI, but having computers in the classroom, every child having a laptop, an iPad, that type of thing.

SPEAKER_00 27:01

Okay. So definitely you still think it should be a human or humans running and guidance. It has to be. It has to be. It has to be. So I guess teaching profession is AI proof for now. But AI enhanced. AI enhanced. AI enhanced. Okay, that's good. So we've we've talked about one side of it, like who is it replacing and all of that. But then let's talk about AI and the black culture. Where where do you think that is today? Do you feel uh in your personal daily use, in your professional use of AI, that when you look at the output, when you look at what it's doing for you, you feel like these things are being built with you in mind?

SPEAKER_01 27:45

Um, absolutely not, because you don't know who's behind the scenes, right? And even when you see the reports, you look at the data, you look at the research, you're like, okay, it's definitely not designed specifically for us. Um, we're usually an afterthought. As soon as companies or um, you know, large businesses realize, oh, we can make money from them too, then we come to the forefront. We're never in the beginning of the conversation, in the creation. Uh, from that has been my experience and people that I've talked to. Um, is that what is going to be created for us to say like this type of learner um could benefit from this tool in when we're creating this, that would be nice to have. And sometimes we don't have to wait on others, like sometimes it's not the resources because you hear these stories, right? It's somebody creating something or uh directing something specifically to us, but it's such a niche market, you know. Sometimes it's hard.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

Yeah. And I'm happy you mentioned the education consultants, because I think in the even in the health tech world, the consultants there, we're beginning to see that the new graduate consultants are in trouble.

unknown 29:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:07

Because some of the more didactic, simplistic roles that you they were hired to do the sort of the hustle work, AI can now automate a lot of those things. And so you're finding that there's less hiring of young graduate graduate trainees into these programs, the people in the lowercase that are being let go, okay, and then you have a handful of more senior people who are the humans in the lower that come in there. So pointing it back to education, I think the question I'm trying to then ask you is if you were to advise someone in their early 20s who wants to be a teacher, who wants to be a principal like you someday, in 2026 in a world where AI is we thought that we only continue to get more powerful, where do you where do you where do you think this person goes to make sure they stay relevant?

SPEAKER_01 29:55

If I'm advising them that that means they have some type of personal connection to me, uh it would definitely not be, you know, unfortunately, to come into the education world. Yes, we need like to be able to do that. Oh my god, why would you all of that is important? Like, but I'm just being honest. Like, uh for anybody that I would have that personal connection with, I would say you definitely need to go into something in the sciences or engineering, um, like that's gonna be the future for them. Something on that side of things. That's not what I heard.

SPEAKER_00 30:26

I hear I hear you should be a diploma, you should be an electrician, those are the rules that AI can't take. That's that's what I heard.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

Uh a lot of that has come from, you know, are these jobs now gonna be more available because of the immigration situation in this country? Like, are there gonna be more of a need for jobs like that that they say that most Americans were not taking or taking training in uh as well? Uh, one of the things I thought about is um even like city jobs or whatever, where it talked about it was now gonna be these uh automated trains and they're not gonna need train conductors anymore, or uh the garbage truck is gonna drive itself and and pick up the trash. Like, how are all these things gonna work like for jobs that are more specific, like that, right? So, yes, to your point, you know, uh I wouldn't advise somebody to do that. It's just like I need a little bit more aspiration. Yeah, not those jobs. Like, I'm gonna tell you something. We're having career day in May. Um, and they put custodian on there as like one of the things, and I really struggle with that. And I'm like, I don't know if that's the thing I want my students to think, and maybe it's coming from a place of a place of privilege or something. I'm just like, I want my students to aspire for more, right? Okay, um, and the type of jobs or careers I might want on there, nothing wrong with the custodian. I need them to clean the school, but um is it do I need them to think bigger? Like, you know, you always say doctor attorney, that type of thing. Do I need them to think bigger?

SPEAKER_00 32:12

But I I guess the question is is doctor attorney going to be relevant 10 years from now? I just told you I'm uploading my tax document and figuring it out. I told you there are people who are using AI to help them with litigation. There are people uploading all their medical records and getting no medical grade information. Those are threats to what we once called noble established recession proof professions.

SPEAKER_01 32:38

Yeah, so again, I'm in elementary school, so if I'm having somebody come and speak to the elementary students, I don't know what the story is about you know, uh unless like, oh, I own my own custodial company and we cleaned, you know, uh office buildings or something like that. Like, I don't know if that's the story I want them to hear right now at six, seven, eight, nine years old.

unknown 33:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:04

That that's what I struggle with, and that's just my own thing. And I, you know, some people say may say, Oh, come on now, Brenda. But that's where I'm at right now. I need them to aspire for more. And then so I need professional level, even though that's changed now because the education is not considered a professional job anymore. Really? Yeah, yeah. Listen, it's things are changing within the government too. So um, I want them to just aspire for more.

SPEAKER_00 33:31

Oh, okay, that's fine. And then I guess my last question to you is help our viewers, help help our audience square. The teachers who are teaching are not the most AI savvy, but they are trying to use AI to teach students who are more native to AI. So, how are you squaring those two things together?

SPEAKER_01 33:56

Right now, like I said, it's not used as much in elementary school. So it's not like the the challenge or the thought coming back from the student to say, like, hey, what about this, or asking questions about it. Um, per se. I can see on the high school level, you are definitely gonna have students that are probably way more advanced with it than some of the educators, and may come, you know, and show them so they can use it as an opportunity to learn from their students, like if they've experienced using it for a certain thing, or how they how they're gonna use it for certain things, or what are the parameters around it, what can you use it for for certain assignments in high school uh that are gonna help you as well. Um, we have to think that across all these grade levels, there are still state tests. Uh, in New York we use regents for high school, uh, and then the actual state tests for grades three through eight. Uh so they're gonna take these state tests that they can't use these tools on, so you still have to have a certain level of knowledge to meet those um standardized tests. So, how will it affect that, right? You can use it for a project in school, but that's your grade, but you still gotta pass these tests, you still gotta go take the GRE, the GMET to go to college, like those type of things.

SPEAKER_00 35:11

Will still matter, I do.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

Will still matter. Okay, SAT and all of that good stuff.

SPEAKER_00 35:16

Okay, and then I have you know, I always like to end with a fun game. So we've talked a lot about how AI is ambient and it's everywhere, we can't get away from it. I still believe there's something with to be said about AI free zones that keep us grounded. So I'm going to ask you what is your AI free zone that keeps you grounded? I will start. I think mine is until there's an AI that can clean and wash bathrooms and do the floors as much as I need them to be done. AI hasn't done enough for me. So I still feel like the fact that every weekend I'm you know bending down and scrubbing tiles and and mopping the floor and all of that stuff, I still feel it's my AI free zone, and that still keeps me very grounded. But best believe that it is ever AI that can help with any of that, maybe combined with some form of robotics. Sign me up to be you know N of one to start patient zero user zero to test all of that. Do you do you have an AI free?

SPEAKER_01 36:16

Please, I beg, I beg, I beg. How are you a housekeeper? It is okay. You have arrived. It is okay now.

SPEAKER_00 36:24

No, no, nobody nobody asked you about what I can hire, not hire.

SPEAKER_01 36:27

I'm just telling you I'm telling you for me, I don't need a I just have a house. You should just answer the question more than this every Brandon. What I wouldn't do, and you've done this before. Okay. Uh I I think in San Francisco, um the car, the driverless car.

SPEAKER_00 36:46

The driverless car?

SPEAKER_01 36:47

The driver, I will not. Why? I will not. That's my friend. I need to be in control or know that there is a human in control of any vehicle I'm riding in.

SPEAKER_00 36:57

You see, I think that's what you can't control. Because in 20. Yeah, but in 20 years' time, God God keeps us alive. If all cars are driverless, then what happens? You're just not going to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_01 37:08

I'm not living in Ghana in 20 years' time. I'm doing just fine. Are you trying to say Ghana will not be? They could, but I won't be moving around.

SPEAKER_00 37:17

Well, you just get people to carry in a donkey.

SPEAKER_01 37:19

No, no, no. Wherever my house is, near whatever uh body of water, I'm okay. I'm not leaving there. Okay. So things will be brought to me. I'll be in my 70s in 20 years' time. I'll be okay. Okay, I won't need to ride in a car.

SPEAKER_00 37:33

Okay, and that's fair. That's fair. This was a fun episode, right? It was uh something different, but I think it was important that we talked about what AI means from our lenses and all of that.

SPEAKER_01 37:44

Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:46

So, guys, thank you. Um, we look forward to the next one in two weeks' time. We've been promising a fan mail, yeah. So I think we gotta set that up. We need to set that up so that then we have a segment where we respond to comments, questions you may have had from prior episodes that we would also like to respond to because we want to know what you're thinking, what you're saying. Remember, you can watch us on or listen to us on Spotify, Amazon, Music, and uh Apple and Apple Podcast. And I think on Spotify you can follow us, you can also give comments, you can give us a five-star rating on any of the platforms. It helps the algorithm push us to new listeners. Please share with other people, go back and listen to other episodes as well. And like we said, we're committing to committed to putting out a fan mail so that we can um start to you know look at some of the questions you may have had, um, particularly about prior episodes and any contribution or questions you may have.

SPEAKER_01 38:39

And we said we were gonna do it for suggestions for topics that people may want to hear. Exactly, and also suggestions for topics.

SPEAKER_00 38:46

Okay, all right. So, but you know, I want to know who the faithful of the faithfuls are. The faithful of the faithful route to root listeners. Yeah, go on Spotify, go to the comment section, tell us what you think, and give us suggestions for what you want to hear next episode. Show yourself, show yourself as the faithful of the most faithfuls who don't need a fan mail or a fan page to get to us and we will take it seriously, and we're committing to if by Friday next week we see a comment there. That's the topic we're going to to and we'll shout out your name as this person told us to talk about this, and here we are talking about it. Absolutely, Brandon. Is that a deal?

SPEAKER_01 39:26

That's a deal. Because you know, shout out to country listening to us, yeah, yeah. Because how many different countries? Um I think we have about 19. 19 countries. 19 countries uh people are listening to us in. Yeah, so shout out to everybody. All right, sign us off. Nice routes and roots episode four. Thank you for listening. Thank you, bye.