Episode 16: [Unfiltered] The Secret Family Group Chat Is Back

This week, Zach and Amy are trying something new: a fully unfiltered episode. They talk upcoming guests, Amy’s fertility hypotheticals, the infamous “Uncle Daddy” conversation, her possible new horse Brazil, a tragic $100 singles event, sister fights, Utah recommendations, Secret Lives drama, and Amy’s attempt to explain her latest book obsession.

Then Judge & Jury goes off the rails: a listener who was left out of the family group chat finally gets added… only to discover there is a real “OG family” chat with no wives included. Her mother-in-law has been talking about every daughter-in-law, her husband has been quietly sitting in the chat, and now she has screenshots. Should she confront her husband, tell the other wives, or drop the screenshots and let it burn?

Send us your verdict — guilty or not guilty? And submit your own family drama for Judge & Jury.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome back to Legally Friends. We are your hosts, Zach and Amy.

SPEAKER_02 0:14

This is legally friends.

SPEAKER_00 0:16

We're in Lost Build Family. We're missing our other third, a third or third, a third, as Shannon would say. Emily, I think, wants to pop on like once a month. And then maybe we can bring like other family members like Michael, Shannon, Rachel. Maybe we could even get Taylor or Drew on.

SPEAKER_04 0:47

Yeah, right. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 0:49

I mean, I highly, I highly doubt it. I think maybe I could try to convince Drew. I think Taylor, like, there's no way. There's no way. As Emily would say, he's the busiest man in America.

SPEAKER_03 1:02

He's a busy guy.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

But welcome back to Legally Friends and two episodes in one week. How blessed are they?

SPEAKER_04 1:11

Wow. Um Yeah, I I don't know. What did people think about that episode? I wasn't sure. It was kind of a little bit out of left field with Scarlet, you know. Wasn't really fitting the vibe, but I thought it was entertaining because I I really like the show.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

I mean, yeah, I I like Temptation Island. I didn't like some of the people, but Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:32

It was good.

SPEAKER_00 1:33

Well, and can we talk about not to call out our editor, but I'm gonna call out the editor a little bit. She cut out what I said about what's his name?

SPEAKER_04 1:45

Oh, Cole.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

The bump on the log, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:48

Yeah. You know, that's why we're gonna do the unfiltered episodes and see if people like them better. Because we've been trying to make him, we got an editor to make him a little more polished and more presentable, and also help the flow of the story.

SPEAKER_00 2:01

Yeah, because and also like to kind of take a load like off of you.

SPEAKER_04 2:06

Yeah. Because I did try and edit the first couple episodes, and we all know those sucked. And uh didn't suck, but we just didn't have good also, we didn't have good microphones, we didn't have good cameras, so the quality was just pretty low.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

Yeah, it just all around like wasn't the best, probably.

SPEAKER_04 2:21

Yeah, so then we had an editor helping helping us, and she's great, but she also is very about the storyline of everything, making making everything be very cohesive, and then also she doesn't want us to talk bad about people, she doesn't like that, and so she'll take stuff out sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

Yeah, so like when I was talking to Scarlett and I was like telling her how I had watched Temptation Island and how I really liked her, but I felt like I literally said I was like, I feel like Cole was just like a bump on the log.

SPEAKER_04 2:52

Yeah, which was.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

He was, yes, he was just there, and that is like part of the reason why she was like, Hello, like, do something here.

SPEAKER_06 3:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

Um, but yeah, the editor took it out, and then like we were talking to Scarlett a little bit more, and then I was like, wait, are you guys together? And she was like, Yeah, we're together. And then I feel like me and Zach kind of changed our tune on Cole. We were like, Oh my gosh, you guys are so cute together. We love you.

SPEAKER_04 3:22

I was ready to just make fun of him, tear into him, but that had to change pretty quickly. So, anyway, it was an interesting episode. There was some things left out, and I think over the last couple episodes, we've had a lot left out. Um, so that's why we're gonna try this kind of unfiltered, uncut version and see if people like it better. Because a lot of people have been complaining they're too short and they feel like a lot of stuff gets clipped out. So let us know. And also, I have some great ideas coming up for some good episodes, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

Yeah, well, okay, they weren't all your ideas, they were mine too.

SPEAKER_04 3:56

True, true, true, true. But uh, we did just get confirmation this morning. I haven't told you. We have a matchmaker coming on. Matchmaker and dating advice coach.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

Oh, you got both.

SPEAKER_04 4:09

Well, she does both.

SPEAKER_00 4:10

Oh, she does both. Is it the the uh her name's Blaine?

SPEAKER_04 4:13

Yeah, yes, she's actually pretty famous, and uh yeah, she's coming on. That'll be in sometime in May, but uh I'm excited because Amy needs some serious coaching, and so I think getting a legitimate, like real person, she she'll be good. And I think that'll be a funny episode.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

A professional?

SPEAKER_04 4:31

Yeah, professional help.

SPEAKER_00 4:32

I need professional help.

SPEAKER_04 4:34

True. At this point, yes.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

So no, and I'm being a hundred percent serious when I say that. Maybe she can like go into her little Rolodex and like set me up with people.

SPEAKER_04 4:46

You know, I don't know. I don't know how far that Rolodex is gonna stretch in Utah, but you know, we can give it a try.

SPEAKER_00 4:52

I would even just like for the plot for the podcast, I would like fly to New York, LA, Dallas. See, this one we need we need to maybe we leave it to Dallas because like you'll be there, yeah, and Megan will be there, but yeah, like I would I would go on a date for funsies, get these going, have different aliases names or aliases, is that right?

SPEAKER_04 5:17

For different people.

SPEAKER_00 5:18

Yeah, like a code name.

SPEAKER_04 5:19

Ill code name, and then we can just unfortunately for you, we'll just talk about how the dates went with you know X, Y, Z.

SPEAKER_00 5:25

And then I mean, that is my life right now, so it's all I talk about anyway. So may as well try to monetize it.

SPEAKER_04 5:33

I mean, monetize it. Um, we also have a dream interpreter coming.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

I am so this was my idea. I this is a good one. So excited for this because ever since my mom's parents passed away, I am constantly having dreams about them. And it's not like the same dream. It's always like a different scenario, different type of dream, but it's constant. And so, like, I I wanna know more about because dreams mean something, you know? There's always like an underlining. Yeah, Zach thinks it's like a crock of shit, but whatever.

SPEAKER_04 6:10

Yes, I do. But you know what? Listening to you all talk about it will be entertaining because Rachel's gonna come on that episode, so that's gonna even make it better.

SPEAKER_00 6:18

I feel like me and Rachel are like the most like into that type of thing.

SPEAKER_04 6:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

Um, I even suggested like a medium, like a spiritual medium.

SPEAKER_04 6:28

Hell no. No, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

Megan and Shannon shut that down real quick.

SPEAKER_04 6:33

Thank you. Thank you. Um, another one, and we're just we're just sharing all the plans right now.

SPEAKER_00 6:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:41

Uh family therapist. So we're gonna have someone come on.

SPEAKER_00 6:46

We're gonna open some can of worms, let me tell you.

SPEAKER_04 6:48

You know, we're gonna try and keep it light-hearted, but we're gonna have them come on and kind of talk through, you know, our family, the different dynamics. I think it could be interesting.

SPEAKER_00 6:56

I think I will say, I did go to therapy, like um, I don't know, this was maybe like three years ago. Um, and maybe it was just the therapist I went to. Like, I heard you kind of have to like try a few out.

SPEAKER_03 7:13

Trial and error.

SPEAKER_00 7:14

Yeah, so I've only ever been to one therapist, and I was talking to her, and she was like, So, like, why are you here? Like, did you have like a really bad childhood? Are your parents abusive? Like, what's wrong in your life? And I was like, No, I had an amazing childhood. My parents are amazing, they're my best friends. Like, I have amazing relationships with my sisters. Like, I really don't have any issues in my life other than dating. And she uh she was like, Okay, so let's kind of talk about your dating. I went to her twice. So then, like, the second week I went, we were talking about my dating, and she was like, Yeah, I just I really just think you need to like open up more. And I was like, Wow, I'm so glad I paid this chick like$300 to just tell me what I already know, and what everyone says to you all the time, what everyone says. I was like, wow, like groundbreaking information therapist. But yeah, she was like, I really don't know why you're here, and I was like, I don't either.

SPEAKER_04 8:22

That lady uh was not very good, I guess, but oh well.

SPEAKER_00 8:27

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 8:28

Um, but anyway, I think it'll be funny for the I think I think it'll be funny, as long as and we found a person that's really good. Um as long as we just keep it light-hearted. I don't want it to be too serious, like I really don't want it to be too serious.

SPEAKER_00 8:41

Yeah, we don't want to drum up like any fights here. We do not need that.

SPEAKER_04 8:45

So I think we're gonna keep that one with Emily on because Rachel and I come on, we could we could get going again, you know. Yeah, I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_00 8:53

The lady could spend the whole episode dissecting you and Rachel alone.

SPEAKER_04 8:57

That would be my worst nightmare.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

I would yeah, I don't I don't want to be like psychoanalyzed, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:05

I don't want that either.

SPEAKER_00 9:06

You know, there's those things like you I know I'm crazy, I know I'm weird, but everybody is, everybody's weird in their own way, everybody's crazy in their own way, and I don't want to be like nitpicked the whole time, just telling me that I have all these issues. It's like I know I have issues, just like yeah, I don't need them like voiced. Thanks so much.

SPEAKER_04 9:26

They're already internal, like I know them.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

Yeah, anyway.

SPEAKER_04 9:30

So I think it'll be fun. Um, I think it'll be because a lot of people want more family stuff, less random guests, more family focused. So I think that'll give more insight into the family and the different dynamics. So I think it'll be funny. Yeah, and um in one episode that people are asking about what happened to my friend T that was supposed to come on, because we talked about that on the the live.

SPEAKER_00 9:51

Good old T.

SPEAKER_04 9:53

You know, it just didn't work out. We we recorded it, but he was a little too PR trained because he plays professional basketball um overseas, and so he just wasn't opening up, and so was this didn't hit.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

Yeah, he just he was so buttoned up. It's like the shift from when we like were recording to when we hit end. Oh and then he was like, Oh my gosh, I wanted to say this, this, this, this, and we were like, Why didn't you say it?

SPEAKER_04 10:25

Yeah, I know. We were like, T, like, just let loose, just say all those crazy things.

SPEAKER_00 10:29

But yeah, he what did he say? He was like, I wanted to, but like my mouth wouldn't let me.

SPEAKER_04 10:33

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

So like, okay.

SPEAKER_04 10:36

Anyway, that's happened with that episode. Um, so Amy, what happened this week? I heard um you and Shannon were having a funny conversation, not really a funny conversation, but starting to think about your future.

SPEAKER_00 10:51

Oh my gosh. Well, first of all, like it's not that I like disagree with her. It just like I was sitting like by the fire, and out of the blue, it's just like dead silent. We're both like scrolling on TikTok, and out of the blue, she goes, Do you think maybe we should freeze your eggs? And I was like, um, maybe like I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 11:21

Is this like a thing?

SPEAKER_00 11:22

Like a lot of people do freeze their eggs.

SPEAKER_04 11:25

No, okay, yes. I do I do believe that, but because of what I think happened is Shannon must have seen something on TikTok.

SPEAKER_00 11:33

Oh, for sure. Sparked her thoughts, and it's like, oh it was probably like some doctor being like, after you hit the age of 25, your eggs just shrivel up and die. And she was probably like, uh, this cute girl's 28. Like, yeah. So it's not that I don't disagree with her. I've just heard because Emily and Rachel both did IVF, and I've heard that the egg has a better chance of surviving the unthawing process when you want to use the egg if it's an actual embryo and not just an egg.

SPEAKER_04 12:16

Okay, this is the most wild thing to me. Have you ever like thought about this?

SPEAKER_00 12:21

Yeah, no, it's weird.

SPEAKER_04 12:23

Like, that makes me think could we just like freeze a human? Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 12:29

Maybe Captain America was on ice for a while.

SPEAKER_04 12:32

No, but it's such a weird process. The fact that you can just go freeze an egg, unthought, and then shove it back in, yeah. And then it'd be okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:43

What's even more wild to me is that you can like sell your eggs and sperm, and then people will buy them.

SPEAKER_05 12:52

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:53

Like this girl that I know, she so she sold her eggs when she would and she was young. Like, she like how much? She was 20. I think she got 10 or 15 grand. I don't know how many eggs she had to give up. I don't know if it's like a thousand an egg, or if she gave like one egg and got, but it's wild to me because like she probably has a kid out there somewhere walking around.

SPEAKER_04 13:15

Okay, this is a very naive question. I don't this is where my uh maybe the Utah education system failed me. Um, how many eggs do women have? Because like guys just produce unlimited sperm, I feel like, you know.

SPEAKER_00 13:30

Yeah, I don't know like the exact number. I it it all depends on like also the quality of egg.

SPEAKER_04 13:36

Like, are there thousands?

SPEAKER_00 13:38

Let me ask Chat GPT.

SPEAKER_04 13:41

Yeah, because I I really don't know much about that, but that would be a crazy process. And I remember I watched a show on Netflix. This is about the guy on the sperm side. There was a guy that was somewhere in Europe just like selling his sperm left and right, and had like thousands of kids out there. Like so much, it was such a big concern that they were worried about the kids being in the same country and possibly marrying each other and being inbreeds. Like that is kind of scary.

SPEAKER_00 14:13

That's why I'm I'm pretty sure they did a documentary about an IVF doctor. I can't maybe he was from Utah. I maybe Oh, I know.

SPEAKER_04 14:24

I remember that you're talking about, but I don't I don't know if he was from Utah, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00 14:28

But I think and instead of like implanting like the husband's sperm or like the sperm bank, he would do his sperm. And I can't remember how it all came out, but yeah, they did a documentary on that. Okay, so Chat GPT says at birth, one to two million eggs for a girl. Whoa, one to two million at puberty, three hundred to five hundred thousand, like three hundred thousand to five hundred thousand. Wait, what happens to them over a lifetime? Only about three hundred to five hundred eggs are actually ovulated.

SPEAKER_04 15:03

Wow. So selling those eggs for 15,000, like that's a big deal. Because like at 20 years old, you'd only have so many.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

Yeah, and like who knows? Um, like she could sell her eggs at 20 and then say she doesn't get married till like 25, 26. She doesn't want to get pregnant until she's 30. Who knows?

SPEAKER_03 15:25

Like it's true.

SPEAKER_04 15:33

But say you can't have kids, right? Yeah, yeah. God forbid.

SPEAKER_00 15:41

God forbid.

SPEAKER_04 15:43

You have to figure out Okay, actually, take that back. Take that back.

unknown 15:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 15:50

You can have you have the eggs, but your husband doesn't have the good swimmers. It's not working. You've tried everything. I've you've tried it all. Can't do it. You have to get a sperm donor. Would you rather get your sperm donor from a family member or from a random person? Or like when I say random person, I mean like someone you can vet, right? You'll go through the whole process, learn about them, and all that stuff. What would you do?

SPEAKER_00 16:18

Um, yeah, I'm guessing when you say family member, you mean like you, Taylor or Drew?

SPEAKER_04 16:24

I mean that's your option.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

Because that those are my only options.

SPEAKER_04 16:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

Um, yes, I would rather pick from you, Taylor, or Drew than a random. Now the question is, would my hypothetical husband like it? Would he be like, hold on.

SPEAKER_04 16:42

Yeah, that's kind of weird.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

I'm not raising your brother-in-law's kid.

SPEAKER_04 16:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

Or would it, but it's like, keep it all in the family. You know?

SPEAKER_04 16:52

No, I think as the brother-in-law.

SPEAKER_00 16:56

Like, okay, if Zach, here's my hypothetical question for you. If me and my husband came to you and Megan, and we were like, hey, he's shooting blanks over here. Can we have some of your sperm so I can have a baby? Would you be like, no, that's really weird? Like, go ask Taylor or Drew, or would you be like, write me a check?

SPEAKER_04 17:25

I would I don't I would never say write me a check.

SPEAKER_00 17:27

Like oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 17:28

I would never do that. Um I would I don't know. Because I'd want you all to have a kid, but at the same time, that would be just so weird for me to see your kid and to know that came from me in a way.

SPEAKER_01 17:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:47

Like, I'm just imagining going to family dinners and be like, oh, there's old Charlie running around.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

There's Uncle Daddy.

SPEAKER_04 17:56

Yeah, that's weird. Like, and the funny and the funny thing is, your family would make that joke. You would be saying Uncle Daddy.

SPEAKER_01 18:03

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 18:04

And so it wouldn't be just like uh, all right, we never speak of this again. This is done. Emily would be calling me Uncle Daddy the rest of my life, and whenever that kid's around.

SPEAKER_00 18:14

So that would be I've actually talked about this with Megan and Emily and Rachel before. Cause like if I'm infertile or like if the guy's infertile, is that would it be infertile for the guy? Is that like the same?

SPEAKER_04 18:28

Yeah, yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

Um, what I would want, like in a in a perfect world. Well, not a perfect world because I would be infertile, but whatever, you get it.

SPEAKER_06 18:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

I would either, like, if it's me, I would get an egg from Megan, Emily, and Rachel and give it to the doctor and say, pick one. And then like my husband would like you know, or if it was my husband, I would take sperm from you, Drew, and Taylor, spin it.

SPEAKER_04 19:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:05

And then whoever gets it, and then wh whatever one the doctor picks.

SPEAKER_04 19:09

The that's the problem though, because if it's from me, Drew, and Taylor, you're gonna be able to tell where that baby came from. I mean, maybe not side. I think so.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

The egg side, uh no one would know because you all well, it depends on uh w like who's what genes are more dominant.

SPEAKER_04 19:27

Yeah. But I feel like still. Like if it was Rachel or Megan, a lot of people that say they look similar.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:35

You could say, alright, they'll probably want to be able to tell.

SPEAKER_00 19:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:39

I don't know though. That would be tough.

SPEAKER_00 19:41

I mean I feel like it would be less weird for me to get an egg than to like get a sperm from my brothers-in-law.

SPEAKER_04 19:53

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

I would rather get an egg from my sister, like, I would rather have me be infertile and get an egg from my sisters than from my husband. Wow, this is like a crazy people are gonna be like you're gonna be driving in their car to work and be like, what the hell?

SPEAKER_04 20:06

Well, and we also disregarded it. You could get maybe your brother, uh uh, your husband has a brother, and so you could get sperm from him.

SPEAKER_00 20:14

Yeah, but what if I don't like him?

unknown 20:16

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 20:18

I mean, true. Um anyway, that's a crazy hypothetical. But I know a lot of people have been going through it. It's kind of a real situation.

SPEAKER_00 20:27

So yeah, and I am terrified that I'm infertile because that is like it's like normal for girls. Yeah, everything's normal. So actually, don't even get me started on this tangent because I could go off about women's health.

SPEAKER_04 20:45

I mean, a lot of people are gonna say, well, what's your thoughts on women's health now? So do you go off on your tangent?

SPEAKER_00 20:50

It's so under-researched. If a man was going through even like a sixteenth of what a woman goes through on a daily basis, they would have everything cured.

SPEAKER_04 21:04

I mean, I agree.

SPEAKER_00 21:05

I don't know, maybe you could like become a doctor and do some research into women's health and like help us figure some things out.

SPEAKER_04 21:12

Well, you know, I'm just not the biggest fan of like medicine in the first place because I feel like they just do things to keep us sick, so we have to keep buying from them. But this is true. Way too hot a topic right now to be con to talk about. But uh we're we're gonna get off this train.

SPEAKER_00 21:31

All right.

SPEAKER_04 21:32

So tell us about your horse.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

Oh my gosh, I could talk for hours. Give me a time limit. So because like, what's my time limit? Because I could go for hours or I could go for like a minute.

SPEAKER_04 21:42

So for so everyone knows we do usually filter this out, right? And so Amy will talk for like 15 minutes usually about a horse. And so we'll cut it down to like three or four. So I might have to say like three or four, because if you go any longer than that, I might just walk out for a little bit while you talk to yourself.

SPEAKER_00 22:01

I I really could talk about this for hours. Like it is, oh, I love it. It's so interesting to me. Okay, anyway. Okay. So on Wednesday, I saw a horse to buy. Um we me and my trainer were supposed to go up to Heber, and things didn't end up working out, so we couldn't go to Heber, and they were nice enough that they were like, well, we're like 20 minutes from Provo, like, we'll just haul it down to your barn if you can go to Provo. And I was like, okay. So they were super nice, hauled the horse down to Provo for me to try. Um, I fell in love with the horse. Like, I actually am obsessed with him. So I rode around for like an hour. Okay. Um, just like testing him out, kind of see what he was all about. Especially because horses are prey animals, so they are very like scared of literally everything. Like the wind could blow and they're like freaking out. For sure. So you like it's good to see a horse in like a new environment that they're not used to, they're not used to like the surroundings, and it was really windy that day. It was raining, and he was perfect. He was a dream, he was so sweet, so calm.

SPEAKER_04 23:21

So give us a g like what color was he? What's his name?

SPEAKER_00 23:25

So his name's Brazil. I don't know his registered name.

SPEAKER_04 23:30

Um wait, there's like horses have government names, they have a nickname and a government name.

SPEAKER_00 23:36

Yeah, so what like technically if you own a horse, you're supposed to have it registered.

SPEAKER_06 23:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

No matter what breed it is. I think the only horse that is kind of hard is a Mustang.

SPEAKER_05 23:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:53

But so like if you see some horses and it looks like they have like a tattoo on their neck that's different than a branding, that's always a Mustang because they are like that's like their serial number almost.

SPEAKER_05 24:05

Wow. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

Um, let me just show you a picture. I think they said he's a bae. He's but he's a dark bae.

SPEAKER_04 24:12

What the hell is a bae?

SPEAKER_00 24:14

I don't even know. But this is him.

SPEAKER_04 24:17

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

So he's like brown.

SPEAKER_04 24:20

Yeah, like I like, I like a classic, pretty brown horse.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

Yeah. Um, so yeah, his name is Brazil, and there's like an urban legend that if you change a horse's name, it's bad luck. Um, but I'm pretty sure that only applies to their registered or their show name. I could totally be wrong. So if I if it's not bad luck to change the horse's name, Brazil, I would change it. If it is, I'll just leave it. Because Brazil's not, it doesn't just like roll off the tongue easily. Like when I'm riding, like, go Brazil, like, no. It's just like it doesn't hit the same as if it would be like I don't even know what I would name it. Give me sound off in the comments. Give me some ideas of what I could name my horse.

SPEAKER_04 25:04

Chuck.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

No, what the hell? Emily told me this morning I should name him Maverick, which is really cute. And I could call him Mav or Goose. But you call it Brazil.

SPEAKER_04 25:16

I like bruh. You can just name him, call him bruh.

SPEAKER_00 25:18

I'm like bruh.

SPEAKER_04 25:19

Bruh.

SPEAKER_00 25:20

Or Chat GPT did tell me that I could call him Zilly. And I do think that's cute, Zill. Zilly Zills.

SPEAKER_04 25:27

Zill's not bad.

SPEAKER_00 25:28

Um, anyway, so he was super sweet. I um texted the girl. I'm getting a vet check on him next week, which means the vet just comes out, looks at him, makes sure there's no like underlying issue that like you'd have to take care of.

SPEAKER_04 25:49

Kind of like a home inspection.

SPEAKER_00 25:51

Yes, exactly. Um, so that's happening next week. On Monday, I'm going to Brazil's house, and I'm gonna ride him again, um, like in his own arena. She's we're gonna do like a little barrel lesson. Um, so I'm really excited about that. And then we're gonna see what the vet says about the PPE and PPE personal protection equipment? No, pre-purchase exam.

SPEAKER_04 26:23

Okay, nice.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

Yes. So yeah, that's my update on my horse, and I just hope everything goes well because I I really do. I really, really like him.

SPEAKER_04 26:34

Well, I hope you get him.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

I know me too. Um fingers crossed.

SPEAKER_04 26:42

Someone actually, before we get into that, um, I also heard you finally got out of the house and went to a little singles event.

SPEAKER_00 26:52

Ugh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:53

Not good.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

That that was drama because okay, so Wednesday is Shannon's Temple Day, and she goes at straight up at like 5 a.m. So I went down to Provo at like four to go test out Brazil. Okay. So Shannon was like, there's the singles event for the church that you should go to for like the ward that is by Shannon's neighborhood. So I was like, hey, whatever. So I texted my friend and I was like, let's just go. Like Shannon said she'd pay us 100 bucks each, like, let's go.

unknown 27:31

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 27:32

And my friend was like, okay, deal. So, oh, speaking of which, I need Shannon to Venmois. That just reminded me.

SPEAKER_04 27:38

That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

Um, so we went, but before, so Shannon was up at the temple at 5 a.m. She came home, she always takes a nap. So I left to go test to Brazil while she was taking a nap. So she wakes up and I'm nowhere to be found. And it's like five o'clock. The singles thing started at like 6:30.

SPEAKER_05 28:00

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 28:00

And she was calling and texting me, but I wasn't answering because I was on Brazil. And she was freaking out. She thought I like ran away and like ditched because I didn't want to go to the singles thing, which I did kind of think about. I I thought about being like, oh, sorry, I got stuck in traffic, like, I couldn't go.

SPEAKER_04 28:16

Yeah. Easy way out with that one.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

Yeah. But no, it I came home, changed. I don't know if I smelled like a horse or not. I don't really honestly don't care. Because it was so bad. Me and my friend were like, hee hee, like, was there happening?

SPEAKER_04 28:33

So who did you talk to? Was there any prospective guys there?

SPEAKER_00 28:36

No, not not a one.

SPEAKER_04 28:38

Not one even worth approaching.

SPEAKER_00 28:41

No.

SPEAKER_04 28:42

You know.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

And then this was the other hard part because so okay, so for the church and like the single, the single life, um they have age ranges. So it's 18 to 25, and then 26 to I think 36.

SPEAKER_04 29:01

Sound like that.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

Um and so you like go to wards that it's like that you're in the age range for, but this event was for the stake.

SPEAKER_04 29:13

So it's everybody.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

So it was everybody. So like the most normal looking kids there we went and talked to, they're 23. I was like, okay, not gonna work out.

SPEAKER_05 29:25

So yeah, those events are tough.

SPEAKER_00 29:29

It w it wasn't great. I'm not gonna lie, it was actually tragic. Um, but you know what? I got a hundred bucks out of it, so whatever.

SPEAKER_04 29:38

You know, he could have met someone. You did. I'm actually proud. I'm actually proud you went though, because uh usually you would never do something like that. So yeah, but I I remember going to some of those events, those things are are tough.

SPEAKER_00 29:53

They're pretty tough.

SPEAKER_04 29:55

A lot better outside of Utah because in Utah I feel like there's kind of this stigma around them of like this is terrible to say, and I disagree, but it's kind of like uh, like if you have to go to those, like you know, why can't you meet someone somewhere else? Type of thing. There's Mormons everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:13

Whereas it out of state, it's more like uh that's the only place you can go find other members. So it's pretty it's a little more normal to go to that type of event, but uh it's unfortunate. I wish you would have met somebody. Wish it'd been work through something a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

Yeah, and I like had friends there, like people that I went to high school with, but not like any prospects.

SPEAKER_04 30:37

Yeah, you're striking out right now. I feel like you have no prospects going. But luckily we have the matchmaker coming, so she's gonna help. She's gonna help. Yeah. Um what else? Anything else going on?

SPEAKER_00 30:54

Um I'm trying to think.

SPEAKER_04 30:59

No, I don't I'm trying to think what's going on in our life. Um, the general contractor went and looked at our house to figure out the kitchen.

SPEAKER_00 31:09

Oh, did um is Emily back to being your designer?

SPEAKER_04 31:13

I don't think so. I haven't heard anything. So I don't know. I think she just quit as far as I know.

SPEAKER_00 31:20

Oh, maybe we can dissect this with the therapist.

SPEAKER_04 31:23

Yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure. I haven't talked to Megan about it, but also like Emily's working on some other projects right now, so she might not even have time for us anymore. So we'll see how that goes. See how that goes. Um, and then we're just starting to get ready to move, which sucks.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

Have you started packing yet?

SPEAKER_04 31:47

No, I need to. I dread moving. Moving is the worst thing ever. And we have moved how many times?

SPEAKER_01 31:55

I think we've moved a lot.

SPEAKER_04 31:57

We moved technically to Rhode Island, Megan did, moved back to Utah. We moved from your parents' house to our townhouse, moved from the townhouse to DC. Oh, to DC, I forgot about DC, then back to Utah, then to the Lee House, then to Virginia, and now to Dallas. Eight times in the last six years. That's crazy. A lot of moving, and now we have to do again. And I hope this is the last time for a long time.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 32:28

Praying for that because I truly hate it. Um, so that's kind of like just looming over top of me all the time. I'm just constantly thinking about moving. Um, I don't really have any other good drama. No, what I haven't done forever is sister rankings. We could do that.

SPEAKER_00 32:44

Hit us with a sister ranking.

SPEAKER_04 32:46

And then you can give us a brother-in-law ranking.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

Yeah. Hit me.

SPEAKER_04 32:51

Um, I haven't spoken to Rachel in weeks. It's been a long time since I've spoken to her. So she's gonna have to go with number three because yeah. I don't even know what she's been up to. Um, number two, but honestly, Emily should be tied for number three because she's kind of sucks right now, too, because she decided to quit on us and keeps yelling at me about the budget, or before she quit.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

Um why did she quit?

SPEAKER_04 33:25

It was something it was so dumb. And Megan and Emily got in the fight over the dumbest thing ever. And basically is because Megan didn't like take her side with something. I don't even know what happened, to be honest. And then Emily just got all pissed and said she's not helping us anymore. And so, yeah, this one's actually dragging out longer than I expected because usually you guys' fights are like a couple hours max. But I think you guys are all back to talking. But uh, I just don't know if Emily has hopped back on the designer train for our house. So anyway, was that bad? I can't say that.

SPEAKER_00 34:04

No, you can. Um, yeah, no, Emily was also mad at me. Me and Emily didn't talk for like a solid like four hours.

SPEAKER_04 34:16

Oh my gosh, four hours.

SPEAKER_00 34:18

I know it's shocking. Um, and then and then every time we talked after that, she was like, I forgot. I can't decide if I'm still mad at you or not. I can't, I can't decide if I'm speaking to you yet. But then we would continue to talk on the phone for like another two hours.

SPEAKER_04 34:33

If people people could only hear the things you all say to each other, and then it's like that's no big deal. It's like if I said those things to somebody, I would mean them. And it would and I feel like if someone said that to me, I'd be like, all right, like, screw you. I'm not talking to you for a while. Like, stay away from me. But you guys just a couple hours and you're good. You forget about it.

SPEAKER_00 35:00

Yeah, and I don't know if that's a sister thing. I think a little bit of it is a it's a sister thing, and then also there's a part where like we just like genuinely like don't care. It's like we care for a little bit, and then it's like we have to talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk about it. And then when we get tired of talking about it, it's like okay, whatever, I'm over it. I don't even care anymore.

SPEAKER_04 35:29

Yeah, you do I I could see that you all when it when it happens, it becomes the focal point of everything, and you all talk about it nonstop for hours.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

Everyone involved. We all call Michael, we call Shannon, we call Drew, we call Taylor, we call Zach. Everybody's involved.

SPEAKER_04 35:47

I hate it. Because it's become you guys are so fixated, and everyone has to stop their lives because this is happening.

SPEAKER_00 35:54

We're such dissectors, we have to sit and dissect. Like, well, what do you think she meant when she called me a bitch? And it's like, well, she probably meant that you're a bitch.

SPEAKER_05 36:04

Yeah. True.

SPEAKER_00 36:06

And then it's like, and then Emily's like, can you believe that she called me a bit? And I'm like, Yeah, actually I can, because like you were kind of acting like a bit. And then she's like, How dare you take her side? She called me the B word, and I'm like, don't act like you've never called any of us a B word. And she's like, No, it's different. I'm like, Oh, okay. That's why we weren't talking for like four hours.

SPEAKER_04 36:34

Yeah, it's such a big deal. It's, I don't know. I will never understand those fights, and I stay far from them when they happen, which is good, which is smart.

SPEAKER_00 36:44

Like, don't ever my biggest advice to people if you're marrying in to a family with sisters or somebody is marrying into your family and you have sisters, do not let them get involved in the sister fights. Because one, all the sisters will turn on you. Whoever is getting involved, your enemy number one. It happens and number two, it escalates the fight from a 10 to like a million. So just like don't get involved.

SPEAKER_04 37:16

But when you do, flip them off and sit down.

SPEAKER_00 37:18

But when you do, make sure you make it very dramatic, like Zach, and say, you'll never see us again, and then drive away in the rain.

SPEAKER_04 37:27

I was so set on that.

SPEAKER_00 37:28

With this hanging out the window.

SPEAKER_04 37:30

I was so set on that. Who are you texting?

SPEAKER_00 37:34

I'm turning my phone on, do not disturb.

SPEAKER_04 37:37

Um, good. I mean, okay, what are we even talking about? But uh, oh yeah, just the drama with the home renovations, with Emily not helping, the whole disagreement with Megan. Um, I don't think there's really much else going on with us. Umone did have some questions for you.

SPEAKER_00 38:01

Oh, for me. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 38:03

Yeah, they wrote in. I'll I'll I'll read it.

SPEAKER_00 38:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 38:07

So hi guys, literally been following you guys since the early Pink Peonies days. Wow, throwback.

SPEAKER_01 38:13

Slay.

SPEAKER_04 38:14

Loving the podcast. I come from a big dance family too, and a few episodes ago, Amy mentioned not not having her or not having had her thing growing up until getting into writing. So it made me curious. I assume you at least tried dance. If so, how long do you dance for and why did you decide it wasn't for you? Or maybe you never were interested in it at all. In my family, some of the younger sisters tried it, but I think even though they would have been great dancers, they wanted their own thing and not just to follow the footsteps of the older sisters. Anyway, was just curious about that.

SPEAKER_00 38:49

Yeah, I tried dance. I took dance like when I was little. I went to a ballet school.

SPEAKER_04 38:57

Like how little? What? Give me an age.

SPEAKER_00 39:00

Um like, well, okay, let me just show you a picture. If you're like, did you always not like it? Like, I I never I never liked it, even when I was like four. I don't know how old I am in this picture. This is one of my earliest memories.

SPEAKER_04 39:21

I think I've seen this picture. I've heard you were the most stubborn child.

SPEAKER_00 39:28

Okay, this is in 2002. I was born in '98, so I'm four.

SPEAKER_04 39:34

Damn. 98.

SPEAKER_00 39:35

I know, right? Like okay, we had a dance recital. Okay, so everyone in a little bit. Everyone's a dancer. Everyone had on their cute little costumes. And also, you can just know that I've had RBF my entire life.

SPEAKER_04 39:56

Yeah, you were born with that. Why wouldn't it? That's for sure. There it is. I see it.

SPEAKER_00 40:02

Okay, why is it struggling so bad?

SPEAKER_04 40:04

Yeah, I can see it. I I can see it.

SPEAKER_00 40:06

It's like, look how happy Megan looks in her cute little cotton candy dress. And then there's and then there's me.

SPEAKER_04 40:16

Yeah. That's that explains it.

SPEAKER_00 40:20

To answer your question, I never I never liked it. Um, I did do it off and on. I can't, I I don't remember. I'll have to ask my mom how long I was at that ballet school. Um, and it wasn't like anything, I mean, they were good. It was all ballet though. It wasn't like anything like what Megan or Isla or Capri or London do. Um, but yeah, I just I never, I never liked it. So then when I was, I think I was eight or nine, I got into volleyball and I loved volleyball. I did club volleyball until I was a sophomore in high school. And then I quit. One of my biggest, biggest regrets in life was. Why did you quit doing that? Um, so the club that I was at like went out of business, or they they either went out of business or they got bought by another club. Um, and then the high school coach was my old club coach, and I hated her. She was the worst. She actually got fired from my club. And then, like, two years after Corner Canyon opened, she was fired because everyone hated her. And I didn't want to play, I didn't want to play for her anymore. One of my biggest regrets, I should have just done it, but whatever.

SPEAKER_05 41:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:42

So then I didn't do anything from volleyball until horse riding. Like, I didn't like I like would go to the gym. So, like, the gym was my hobby.

SPEAKER_04 41:53

Yeah. I remember your mom would talk about how when you were little, she would try and take you to dance, and you would literally just lay on the ground kicking and screaming, refusing to go. And so she also got tired of just trying to fight you every single time to go to dance because she felt like she was just forcing you to go.

SPEAKER_01 42:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:14

Yeah. You don't do that. Like, if you don't want to do it, you just don't do it.

SPEAKER_01 42:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:22

Yeah. But I feel like the one part, did you ever feel like that though? Of you wanted to have your own thing because you saw your sister's dance, and so you're like, uh, I don't want to go down that path, or or did you ever feel like maybe I should take dance serious more seriously? Or did that ever cross your mind?

SPEAKER_00 42:40

No, I just like never liked it. And I also like was never good at it.

SPEAKER_04 42:45

Yeah. No, it's the funniest video I've ever seen. Oh gosh, what? When this just came to my mind. When Megan, I think it's for like some bachelorette thing before she got married.

SPEAKER_01 42:59

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_04 43:00

You uh Megan sent me a video of her doing some like sexy dance thing. You guys went and did that together.

SPEAKER_00 43:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:07

And it's you and her doing it at the same time.

SPEAKER_00 43:10

Yeah, it's like, why am I standing next to her? Like, she shouldn't be allowed to go to classes like that.

SPEAKER_04 43:15

Oh, we need to post that. That was funny.

SPEAKER_00 43:18

Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_04 43:19

That was so funny. Um, but did you ever feel like you wanted to have your own thing, like be a little bit different than your older siblings?

SPEAKER_00 43:30

Um, like, no. If I would have liked dance, I would have done it. I just never liked it and I wasn't good at it. Like, I was always on like the lowest level. Like, I remember even like in elementary school, my mom's friend had like a dance studio. I I don't I was probably like seven. So And I I would go, and like we were not good, like we were so bad. And I was just like embarrassed because I'm like, I have like an older sister who's on the UVU dance team. I have Megan, who is like an incredible dancer, like winning NYCDA nationals, which is a huge deal in the dance world. It's one of the hardest competitions you can go to. And then there's me, and I'm like.

SPEAKER_05 44:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:22

Like that was like my dance move, and I couldn't even do that.

SPEAKER_04 44:26

Like with your RBF on stage. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 44:28

Yeah. So it's just like, I was just like, I'm not good. What's the point? Like, and I don't like it.

SPEAKER_04 44:34

Yeah. But I feel like as uh because we're both the youngest in our families, I don't know. For me, I I don't know. I always wanted to do things different than my older siblings. Like I hated, I don't know if you like this. I hated being called, like, oh, you're ex-m one of my brothers' names, little brother. And they would just like call you like my brother's name's Holton. Holton's little brother. And it was like, I hated that. I I did not want to be called that anymore.

SPEAKER_00 45:04

See, I didn't mind that. Like, especially because me and Megan are two years apart. Um, so it was always like, oh, you're Megan Skull's little sister, and I was always like, yeah. And I would like, I would hang out with her friends a lot in high school. Um, and she like my best friend took her to senior prom, her senior prom. He asked her. We were sophomores. So like we were so integrated, me and Megan, in each other's lives, that I was like, yeah, that's yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:38

Interesting. I do sometimes wonder if that's why I don't know, I like to do my own thing so much. Cause growing up, I was always the little, like people always call me little hun, like the little hunsaker, like always the little brother. And so then I left then I went to a different high school and there was like, oh, no one knows me as that anymore. Yeah. That was good.

SPEAKER_06 45:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:56

And then it's like, oh, then I went to different college, then I'm in like a different area. And so I was never like the little little Huntsaker because no one knew like the whole family before me.

SPEAKER_00 46:06

But yeah, that is interesting because I I like loved it. Like I yeah. I never was like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 46:15

I don't know. Maybe that's explains why I'm so hard.

SPEAKER_00 46:18

I was just always like Emily Rachel and Megan's little sister. I was always like the baby scala.

SPEAKER_04 46:23

Yeah, it's true. You were always, I mean, that's I feel like you go by a lot, baby scala.

SPEAKER_00 46:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:28

And you liked it, you didn't mind it.

SPEAKER_00 46:30

No.

SPEAKER_04 46:30

See, I hated it. It's interesting. Interesting. Well, more for the therapist to dissect.

SPEAKER_00 46:37

Yeah, maybe we could get into why you don't like it.

SPEAKER_04 46:39

Yeah, we can really dive deep into my past.

SPEAKER_00 46:43

Yes, let's let's dive deep into your childhood trauma.

SPEAKER_04 46:47

I would hate that more than anything.

SPEAKER_00 46:49

Do you think you have childhood trauma?

SPEAKER_04 46:52

No. What are we talking about? It's just like we I would show up to the same therapist like you, and they'd be like, uh, what are you doing here?

SPEAKER_01 47:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:01

You know? But whatever. Um so those are the questions. Also, someone wrote in, and maybe we can talk about this for a sec. Someone is asking, they're going to Utah. And I think this is a hot topic. So you're going to Utah for like a three-day trip. Someone's coming in town. What do you tell them to go do?

SPEAKER_00 47:24

Okay, I'll give my itinerary, and then you can either make edits or you can give your own itinerary.

SPEAKER_04 47:31

Okay. Give it to me.

SPEAKER_00 47:32

Okay. Fly into Salt Lake International Airport. Go check in at the Grand America.

SPEAKER_04 47:38

Oh, wow. Okay. We're right. We're going through every little detail. Okay, great. Go. Keep going.

SPEAKER_00 47:43

Um where would I go to lunch?

SPEAKER_03 47:49

Okay, you're downtown. Give me a spot.

SPEAKER_00 47:53

I would go to lunch at Okay.

SPEAKER_04 48:00

This is unedited, unfiltered, so awkward silence.

SPEAKER_00 48:03

Okay, I would go. If you're gonna go shopping at City Creek, I would go to lunch at Nordstrom Cafe.

SPEAKER_04 48:10

Um They're gonna fly to Utah and go to Nordstrom Cafe.

SPEAKER_00 48:15

Uh any place I go to, if there's a Nordstrom Cafe, I am hit in that Nordstrom Cafe. It's the girls, the girls can understand. There's nothing better than shopping with like your friends, your family, and then going to a Nordstrom cafe, getting like a chicken Caesar salad with some fries and a Diet Coke.

SPEAKER_04 48:36

This is why we're so different. Your itinerary is already ass as in your two things into it. Nordstrom Cafe. You're already wanting to go shopping. Okay, keep going. Keep going.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

Okay. Then for dinner, I if you like sushi, I would go to Sapa.

SPEAKER_04 48:58

Uh Sapa is okay, finally something right. That is good.

SPEAKER_00 49:01

And even if you don't like sushi, because like I don't really like sushi sushi all that much, but I do like sopa. And they have like good stuff that's not sushi or not fishy.

SPEAKER_06 49:11

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 49:11

Um or and like if you want to stay in Salt Lake, I would also, if you want to do like Italian, um, oh, what is that Italian place called? Um Walters.

SPEAKER_04 49:24

Walters?

SPEAKER_00 49:25

No, not Walters, Valters. Walters, sorry, yes. Volters is good. There's another one though. It's new, it's at the gateway.

SPEAKER_04 49:33

Um The Gateway? The gateway, okay. For those who don't know, I thought the gate was really cute.

SPEAKER_00 49:39

No, it it was. They're trying to like bring it back. Italian.

SPEAKER_04 49:45

The gateway is uh a shopping center in Utah that used to be like the hot spot. Everybody used to go to the gateway, and then uh they built a new shopping center called City Creek, which is way nicer, and so then Gateway just died and kind of unfortunately got overrun, and it's just not the safest spot to go sometimes. I could say that.

SPEAKER_00 50:10

No, but they're changing it, so it no, it's not. Oh, Mina. I've heard Mina's really good.

SPEAKER_04 50:19

Okay, so alright, we're in Utah. You've already you've suggested going to Nordstrom.

SPEAKER_00 50:24

Hold on. What is it called Lupessa at the gateway?

unknown 50:28

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 50:29

Yeah, I think it is called Lupessa. Okay, Lupessa, Shannon. Shannon just came in and said it's Lupessa.

SPEAKER_04 50:38

Oh gosh. Okay, so Lupessa.

SPEAKER_00 50:41

Or, okay, but no, I'm not done yet, Zach. Ugh.

SPEAKER_04 50:44

Your day sucks.

SPEAKER_00 50:46

Also, you have to go to Swig.

SPEAKER_04 50:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 50:49

Have to go to Swig. Um, also, if you don't want to stay in Salt Lake, Oteo in Pleasant Grove is so good. It's like my favorite restaurant right now. I've gone there, it's Mexican. But it's like, it's not like Cafe Rio or like Chipotle. It's like authentic, more authentic Mexican.

SPEAKER_05 51:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 51:12

But it's really good. Um, they just opened a new location in Pleasant Grove. So I would go there. I've literally gone there every weekend for like the last month. It's so good.

SPEAKER_04 51:23

Okay. Let's this is a long three-day itinerary. Let's get to it.

SPEAKER_00 51:28

This is only day one.

SPEAKER_04 51:29

I know exactly.

SPEAKER_00 51:30

Where's the what's now some activities? Okay, so if you're here in like the spring, summer, fall, I would go from Salt Lake to Park City and I would do like the Alpine Coaster. Um what's the the Alpine Slide? Yes. That's really pretty. And then just like go walk up and down Main Street, go to River Horse for dinner. So good.

SPEAKER_04 51:54

Also go to Olympic Park. That's cool because they do like the people that come off the skis. Oh, yeah, they like do the back blips of water. That's cool.

SPEAKER_00 52:01

Yeah. And they also you can take a tube um down like the grass.

SPEAKER_04 52:05

That is so cool.

SPEAKER_00 52:06

Like the big hill. You can do that. Um, yeah, just like spend the day up in Park City. Amazing.

SPEAKER_04 52:14

Yeah.

unknown 52:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 52:16

That's those are my days. You go.

SPEAKER_04 52:18

Wait, what's day three?

SPEAKER_00 52:19

Oh, day three is um. I don't know. I don't know what else there is to do.

SPEAKER_04 52:28

Three days in Salt Lake. I don't know what you're gonna do. Just kidding. Yeah, no, really. Just kidding. Um my days.

SPEAKER_00 52:36

Yeah, what else would you do? What what what would you do for day three?

SPEAKER_04 52:39

I would say go on a hike. There's um Donut Falls, which is right out right outside uh Salt Lake.

SPEAKER_00 52:44

I've never even heard of that.

SPEAKER_04 52:46

That's a really cool one.

SPEAKER_00 52:47

It's like they could go hike Enzyme Peak Peak.

SPEAKER_04 52:51

Oh, yeah, Enzyme Peak. That's like the typical date spot. I took multiple girls on that hike. Megan was one.

SPEAKER_00 52:58

Why? That is like, I mean, it's like an easy hike, but it's not that easy. It's like you're kind of out of breath.

SPEAKER_04 53:05

Well, I mean, that was kind of the tester, wasn't it? Just kidding. See if the person was athletic or not. Um, no, it's not that hard of a hike. There is like one seat part, but it's super short and has a good view.

SPEAKER_00 53:19

It does have a good view.

SPEAKER_04 53:21

Um what would I do? Fly into Utah. I'm going.

SPEAKER_00 53:29

I don't know if I'm where are you staying?

SPEAKER_04 53:32

Okay, your drink. Um, I would say stay. I feel like Grand America is still nice. It's getting really old, though.

SPEAKER_00 53:41

It's old, but it's the nicest hotel in Salt Lake.

SPEAKER_04 53:44

There was some other hotel that I've heard about downtown that's supposed to be nice. Um, I don't know where.

SPEAKER_00 53:51

It's not that old.

SPEAKER_04 53:53

That's true. It's still like the spot to stay.

SPEAKER_00 53:55

It's still not, yeah. Like that's where we stayed for your wedding, and it was amazing.

SPEAKER_04 53:59

Yeah. I would probably stay there. Um, I would do the park city trip. That's like the go-to. You have to do that. Um, I would go. I would do a hike one day. I'd also want to go do like some sort of like fishing. Like if it's the summer, that'd be so fun.

SPEAKER_01 54:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 54:20

Do something outside. Um, and you want to get to the mountains because if you're in like the Salt Lake Valley trying to do something, it's just yeah, you gotta so hot. It's hot.

SPEAKER_00 54:30

Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_04 54:32

But also, yes, I would do that, and then on my third day, I would ditch. Actually, Megan could come and I'd go golfing. I'd go either golfing what is that noise? Oh, can you hear it? Yeah, dang it. It's someone doing their landscaping.

SPEAKER_00 54:50

Oh, I thought it was your computer. It's fine. Okay, it's quiet now.

SPEAKER_04 54:55

Um, I think I'll be able to take it out. But the yeah, I'd go golfing probably up in Heber. They have some amazing golf courses, and that would be my my third day. So that's that would be my Utah vacation. Definitely just go get to the mountains, and I think that's what everyone does.

SPEAKER_00 55:14

Yeah. But I agree with that.

SPEAKER_04 55:17

But the top restaurants, I would say Valt's is really good for Italian, Sapa is really good for sushi.

SPEAKER_00 55:25

Um Capitol Grill is good, Ruth Chris, River Horse.

SPEAKER_04 55:30

River Horse and Park City is really good. I mean, it has all the main chains of like Capitol Grill and Ruth Chris, Flemings.

SPEAKER_00 55:38

Um what's not a chain that they could go to?

SPEAKER_04 55:43

I mean, Riverhorse and Park City isn't.

SPEAKER_00 55:45

Um, oh, what's that piece of place in I love it? It's in Park City. What is it called? It's um, I want to say it starts with a V.

SPEAKER_03 55:56

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 55:57

Don't ask me.

SPEAKER_00 55:58

It's gonna bug me.

SPEAKER_04 56:00

Anyway, uh, those are what would be our recommendations for Utah. And you have to get swig. Just be prepared to pay$10 for two sodas, but that's alright.

SPEAKER_00 56:08

It's not no, it's like six dollars.

SPEAKER_04 56:11

No, but if you get a little one of their fancy mixes, then it adds up quick, and you're all of a sudden you're at ten dollars for two sodas. But whatever.

SPEAKER_00 56:21

Speaking of which, Versante.

SPEAKER_04 56:24

I've actually never even heard of that. Never heard of it.

SPEAKER_00 56:29

It's so good. They have like it's so good. Like, if you were like doing like the alpine coaster, or like if you're there in the wintertime and you just like got off the ski slopes, and like you want to go somewhere good, but like still chill, where like you can like go in your ski clothes, Bersante is really good.

SPEAKER_04 56:49

There you go. When's the last time you went skiing? I'm just kidding. Um, regard uh anyway. I was gonna say switching gears. We have uh some interesting news that came out. Secret lives of Mormon Wives. Orange County.

SPEAKER_00 57:10

You just mean secret lives of wives in Orange County.

SPEAKER_04 57:13

Yes, they're not even Mormon, but wasn't it was everyone that you guys said it would be, right?

SPEAKER_00 57:20

Yeah, except for Bobby.

SPEAKER_04 57:22

Yeah, yeah. You said you guys said Bobby back then.

SPEAKER_00 57:24

We said Bobby?

SPEAKER_04 57:25

Yeah, you said Bobby.

SPEAKER_00 57:27

Oh, I don't remember saying Bobby, but if we said Bobby, we were right on the money.

SPEAKER_04 57:31

I'm gonna go get that clip and I'll I'll post it.

SPEAKER_00 57:34

Um, yeah, they're not Mormon, so I don't really get it.

SPEAKER_03 57:38

Like none of them are?

SPEAKER_00 57:40

I think I think Macy's sister is Mormon.

SPEAKER_03 57:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 57:44

Or maybe she's not active, but she was Mormon. I think her and maybe one other girl, they're the only ones that have ties to Mormon.

SPEAKER_04 57:56

And the rest, no ties.

SPEAKER_00 58:00

No. I I mean maybe Avery Woods. No. Wait, Aspen. Aspen Ovard, I get them confused.

SPEAKER_04 58:05

I thought there was some.

SPEAKER_00 58:06

I think Aspen Ovard maybe was Mormon growing up. Maybe. I don't I don't know though. I don't know them.

SPEAKER_04 58:13

I thought there was rumor that Bobby was like considering the church or something. Probably just so she could be on.

SPEAKER_00 58:22

Yeah, that's a bunch of shit. That's a crock of shit.

SPEAKER_04 58:25

What is up with you and your weird ass?

SPEAKER_00 58:27

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 58:28

Chaps my ass.

SPEAKER_00 58:30

Shannon, Shannon's gonna be so mad at me.

SPEAKER_04 58:32

Crock of shit? Like, what does that even mean?

SPEAKER_00 58:35

She's gonna be like, this is why you're not married.

SPEAKER_04 58:38

It's true. It's true. So anyway, that was weird. I don't know. I I don't get that that episode. And if you keep looking at your phone.

SPEAKER_00 58:47

Hold on, hold on. Drew keeps texting me.

unknown 58:50

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 58:52

See, this is why I don't want to have to go edit this out.

SPEAKER_00 58:55

I know. You you can leave it in. I'm still listening. Keep talking.

SPEAKER_04 58:58

Well, what am I okay? That's fun. This is what I have to deal with. Um anyway, so I guess there's you don't have many takes on the Secret Lives Mormon Weiss right now.

SPEAKER_00 59:10

No, I just think it's a complete joke. It's like, if you're gonna do a spin-off stick, I feel I I saw a girl on TikTok say this. I don't know her username, but she was doing her makeup in the car. Maybe it wasn't in the car, whatever. She's doing her makeup, she has blonde curly hair.

SPEAKER_05 59:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 59:31

Um she's like, the reason why Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, the show was successful, is because they there were so many layers of Mormonism throughout the show. They weren't just like a bunch of random people pretending or like saying, like, oh yeah, I know what Mormonism is, or like I was Mormon when I was little, but I haven't been a part of the church in forever.

SPEAKER_05 59:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:54

Like, because I mean, our religion is very like interesting, like people are very intrigued by it, and I get it. So it's like, if you're gonna do a spinoff, why don't you like in Orange County? There are it's like a little hub for it's like there's like a big presence in Orange County, and so it's like, why don't you just stick to it and find like actual Mormon people? Or don't call it Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, call it like Secret Lives of Orange County Wives or something. I don't know. Or like Secret Lives of Influencer Wives, because that's all it really is.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:39

Every girl on there is an influencer, but they need the Mormon in there to get people's attention.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:45

They have Bobby has so many followers. Avery Woods, Aspen Ovard, Madison Bontempo, they all have a big presence and it's on Hulu. They don't really need the Mormon thing. They should have just said secret lives of influencing wives or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:02

But I feel like the Mormon thing is still such a like people are so intrigued by it that they want to like just see what they're doing.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:09

Well then they they should have had an all-Mormon cast or somebody who is like Yeah, just left the church or something. I don't freaking know.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:19

Yeah, I don't know. That's weird. Speaking of which, is I've heard I've not followed this at all. This is probably old news. But is Taylor Frankie Paul's bachelorette season gonna come out?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:31

I've heard rumors that it is because um like the charge against her was dropped. Is that right?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:38

I think so. That's what I I think that's what Megan told me.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:42

So I could sorry, did my yawn just trigger you?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:47

Yeah, I freaking if this turns into a thing, I'm gonna be so annoyed.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:50

I no, I I don't have Emily to like bounce. If you start yawning, I'm gonna start yawning. Yeah, I won't. Um I could see them airing it now because I do feel like people are like giving her they're like kind of like realizing like, oh, Dakota's a psycho and he like manipulated it. Um, I mean, still doesn't make her actions like what she did right. But I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:21

So what were the charges? So originally the charges were against her, and then those were dropped because she like there was abuse by hers, which they were saying, domestic abuse.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:33

Yeah, he was saying it was like she was abusing him, like domestic violence against him in front of a minor. Um but then like stuff came out where she was like, he locked me in the garage for hours on end. It's winter time. She was freezing, she was starving, she was like begging to come back in the house. He wouldn't let her back in where her kids are, and it's her house. So it's like, yeah, you can only push somebody so many times before they snap.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:06

And I I think that's what he does. He's like a master manipulator and gaslighter and like psychological. He just is like, he pushes and pushes and pushes, and then she breaks and he records it.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:22

Yeah. And then uses it to his advantage.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:25

Yeah, and he doesn't say or show all the things that he's done to her that made her break.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:33

So now people are jumping back on her side and are like, just like they see, like there was especially because I think the tide started to turn back in her favor a little bit when um she had to submit pictures and videos of he like they were in the car. And she like he's he's and he like slammed her head into the dashboard. So she had like bruises on her face, she had bruises on her arms because she was trying to get out, and he like dragged her back in, and then he started driving away. And her three kids were asleep in the house. And she's like, Stop driving away. My kids are asleep in the house alone. And she kept trying to get out of the car, and he kept like pulling her back in. So then she had like bruises on her arms, on her head, and then she was like, she started hitting him because she was trying to get out of the car, but then he was like, She was hitting me. Yeah, but it's because of what like it was in self-defense, yeah. So then I think people were like, Oh wow, he really is like crazy, like any mom would go crazy if somebody did that and like their kids were alone in a in a house for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:50

So that's justified. I think they need to air it though. I think they just gotta let it out.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:56

I think they will, especially because it's like died down. I think they are picking cameras back up for the original Slow Mu.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:04

Wait, is that what they would you call it?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:06

Slowmu. I I need to go back and listen to the toast. That's what the toast girls call it. Slow moo, or is it?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:12

Secret Lives and Warmont Wives.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:14

Yeah, Slow Moo.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:15

That's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:17

Yeah. Because Secret Life and Warmont Wives, that's just like a lot to say. So slammu is just so much easier. But I did get that from the queens themselves, Clo Claudia and Jackie. So Okay, okay. I love them.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:29

Well, uh, I guess we'll see what happens with that. Um, but speaking of kind of the this isn't they're not Mormon, but did you watch the show The False Prophet on Oh my gosh, no, I haven't watched it yet.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:46

I need to. I'm just like so entrenched in my book right now that I can't do anything else.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:52

Well, I want to talk about it, but now I don't want to be spoiling it.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:55

Well, hi, sweetie. No, I already I already know because Emily was talking about it to Michael and me. Is that right? I just tried to be grammatically correct, but that didn't really make sense to me.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:10

Yeah, no, that made sense. Good job.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:12

Oh, Shannon just said, yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:14

I s yeah, I confirmed it.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:16

Um can you hear her turning on the sink?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:21

No, it's I don't really hear it.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:23

Do you want to know how you can tell whether you say me or I?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:26

No, I I did the little scenario in my head. You say I and Michael or like me. Use it in the sentence.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:35

Yeah, like you say me or I and then that's it.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:37

Yeah, yeah, I know. I did it in my head. Okay. I I can't have you in here because then I get staged right. Well, take just take your charger downstairs. You can take your phone and your charger downstairs with you. Okay, anyway. Um, what was I saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:00

We're talking about the show, the pygamous show.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:02

Oh, yes. Emily was talking to Michael and me about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:06

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:07

And we were just like, that's crazy. Like, that's so creepy and like disgusting. And then Emily was like, I just hate that like people think that like that's us.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:22

Yeah, that's true. Uh, even when I was at school, I would get asked. I mean, I think I've said that on here before. A lot of people would ask how many moms I had. But the show was so wild. Because I don't know how much Emily told you about it. So this lady and her husband, well, so she had come from a background of abuse where she grew up a member of our church, but then she left and kind of joined like a cult. That that part wasn't really clear.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:47

But not the FLDS. No. Is the FLDS considered a cult?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:52

No, I mean, from the outside, we think it is, but they don't consider themselves part of a cult.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:58

But like, you know how like Scientology also doesn't consider themselves a cult, but like they're a cult.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:02

Yeah, it's pretty crazy. I mean, if you watch the show, it's wild. Um it's pretty brainwashing. But anyway, they um so she came from a background of abuse, so she left and joined a cult, and then the person in her cult, whatever, he said he was a prophet too, and then he was like sex trafficking her, and and then she was able to get out of it. And so then she, you know, this is a while after she decided she wanted to go help these FLDS girls, and like felt like that was her mission was to go and save them and rescue them from this. And so she her and her husband just decided to move and go down to whatever that city is down in between Utah and Arizona, and they move in with the FLDS community, and they're literally, I think there's maybe one other house in that area that is not a member of the FLDS community, and so like they're the only ones there, and they lived there for over a year just filming them, and she and they know they're being filmed, yes, and that's where it was pretty like I understood what she was doing, but it was pretty sh like a little bit shady what she did because she had other motives, and because she wanted to expose it, she wanted to expose it.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:24

It was like she was going undercover.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:26

No, it was 100% undercover, but it was just all on her own, and uh she really gained their trust, and she got this new profit guy to believe that she was recording him and everything that was happening to like spread his glory to the world and to like help him. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:46

I can't get the camera right. I couldn't get it right and centered.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:55

Anyway, it was wild. I wish you would watch it because I have a lot of thoughts on it, and uh yeah, it was pretty, pretty much. No, it's it sounds nasty.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:06

It sounds really interesting. I do want to watch it. I just I've got to finish my book.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:11

I had someone from school here af asking me about it the other day because they were asking, because they were confused too of like what's the difference between F L DS and LDS. F L DS and LDS. Like, do we are we still combined with them in some way? Are we separate from them?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:26

I know I hate that. I hate it. And by the way, disclaimer for anybody or for everybody, we have been separated from them for how many years now?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:37

Uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:38

Like 150.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:40

Yeah, it's been a long time.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:41

Like a long time. 200?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:44

Let me see. No.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:46

When No, because isn't America turning 200 or is it 250?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:50

250. Separ when it's oh the church. They separated um between around 1904.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:06

1904 What are you talking about? I was thinking 1800s.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:14

The church didn't happen until the late 1800s.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:18

Yeah, 1864.

unknown 1:11:20

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:21

That's vampire diaries.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:24

Let's confusing the church history with the vampire diaries history.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:30

Oh, I'm so dead. That's embarrassing. I genuinely thought it was 1864, but that's when that's when Stefan met Catherine, and then he turned into a vampire with Damon.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:41

So, okay, thank you for the freaking vampire diary history that you mixed up. Um in 1890, the LDS Church released a manifesto ending polygamy in 1890.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:53

1890. Yeah, I told you it was the 1800s.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:56

But you made it sound like early, long time ago, 1800s. No, like 1904. 1904 and 1890 aren't that big of a difference.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:04

I would rather have it be 1890 than 1904. Well, because they have That's only like 90 years before I was born.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:11

No, so they released it a first manifesto ending polygamy. In 1904, they released a second one to like really end it and say no more. And then that's when the FLDS community church started because they wanted to say fundamentalists to the polygamists, polygamy lifestyle thing. And anyway, get out of here.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:28

We don't want you.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:29

So there you go. And so then now they live down in Short Creek, been there for this. They've been in Short Creek since like 1930s.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:38

So is this the same community that um Sister Wives? Oh, you know, Sister Wives, how they had like that TLC TLC show.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:49

TLC. Uh I've never watched it, I don't know, but it I'm sure it's you know about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:54

Yeah. Like, is that the same community and is that the same place?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:57

Probably. And I I don't think it's the same place. Because there's different polygamous communities all around Utah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:06

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:07

Yeah. There's some frobl in Lehigh. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:11

Okay, I will say. I'll say this.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:14

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:15

I remember this like vividly. It scared the bejeezies out of me. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:24

Your sayings are insane.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:26

Well, I was gonna say it scared the shit out of me, but then I got scared that Shannon So they went with beejeezes. So I went with bejeezes.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:34

So this was in my parents' old house. I was in maybe middle school, and it was like a warm summer's day. I'm like outside. My job in the summertime was always to water my mom's pots. And at her house, our old house, she had like a lot of pots. So in the morning, I was watering the pots, and I look up and I see this girl, and I was like, like, ma'am, and or miss, because she was like young like me, and she was just standing like on the corner, like staring at me.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:10

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:11

And it freaked me out. She was a polygamous girl.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:16

And I was like, So she was in like to traditional clothing.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:19

She was in the dress, the braid, everything, the the little like witch-looking boots.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:25

Um, and I ran inside and I was like, mom, like, do we need to save her? Like, should we call the police and save her?

SPEAKER_06 1:14:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:36

And my and Shannon was like, no, like.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:41

That's the thing. I mean, that's where you need to do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:45

Like, and then I was like, I was convinced, convinced that because she saw me, like, they were gonna try to kidnap me into the polygamous. Okay, like that's not what's not how it works. They don't really do that. Like, that's not what they do. But like me and like my 10-year-old brain, I was like, there she's trying to kidnap me.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:09

No, it's insane because in the show, you think that girl was like what? How old? Like your age, like 10, you said?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:16

Yeah, she looked young like me.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:18

In the show, the guy, the prophet, had wives that were nine years old.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:24

Disgusting. Like, honestly, he deserves the death penalty.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:30

Well, no, what's insane to me is in the show, the dad, because he thinks she's a he's a prophet, like, they believe that if you can be married to the prophet, like that's your step to being into heaven. Like, that's the best kingdom in heaven.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:46

Yeah, the parents, they all deserve jail.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:48

So that the but the dad literally gives all of his wife's and all his daughters to the prophet for his own free will.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:56

Yeah, he deserves jail.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:58

It's I mean, yeah, he's they all do. He's I mean, from that show, he's in prison for 25 years or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:03

But no, 25 years is not long enough. I mean, yeah, I think he should be castrated and death penalty, goodbye.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:11

But the problem is too, what you were saying, you wanted to go rescue her. Like, that's how the lady felt, but when she did it, it destroyed like the girls were all devastated because Yeah, because it's all they know, and yeah, and they thought they that was their gateway to heaven, and then the lady just ruined it. But anyway, it's a wild show. Should watch it.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:34

Um, so since you got to talk about your show, I'm gonna talk about my book. Uh I'll make it really quick. It won't be near as long as what you just did.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:43

Okay, but mine's interesting, at least. People are intrigued. It relates.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:48

People find books interesting, Zach.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:50

Not your books.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:51

My books are good.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:54

You liked the first book of Fourth Wing.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:56

It was a little much, but keep going. Keep going. Finish this.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:00

So right now I'm reading Shatter the Shatter Me series, which is a young adult. So if you're if you don't like like the smuddy books, this book is for you because it's not smuddy, it's geared towards young adults. Um, but it is like dystopian fantasy.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:19

Hold on, time out. You're not a young adult anymore. You're like aged out of that community.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:23

Yeah, I know. I can still read whatever the fing heck I want.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:27

Just kidding. Go.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:29

So, anyway, it's about you know, I don't really know how to explain it without giving anything away. So I'm not gonna explain it, but it's good.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:39

So if you like a book that's like what you don't explain it, so you're just not gonna explain it.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:46

Well, because I don't want to give anything away.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:49

Just give a little tease.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:50

Okay, so something happens where everybody gets sick or like a disease breaks out, kind of like um, like divergent a little bit. Um, so there they call it, I think they call it like a new order or like the oh no, it starts with an R. It's um like the Yeah, okay, yeah. Anyway, so these let's see.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:22

Oh my gosh. So people, this is why sometimes we have to have the edited version. Because the train of thought gets lost sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:34

Yeah, okay, so this girl. She is like, it's from her point of view. She's like in a mental institute.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:42

You have literally been talking for five minutes and said absolutely nothing.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:47

Okay, next topic.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:50

All right, I guess that's it.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:52

Just go, you know what? I don't know how to explain it. Okay, just go look it up. The Shatter Me series. Go read the gist. Cause I obviously don't know how to say the gist. Like, I don't know what you want me to do.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:06

I think it's because you listen to it on like what 2.5 speed, and you actually don't actually listen to anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:10

You just hear I just like I I don't know what to say without giving things away.

unknown 1:19:18

Hmm.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:18

Okay, okay. Sounds good. Then we'll we'll end it there to save us from some more stuttering.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:25

So when I finish the Shatter Me series, then I'll go watch what is it called again?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:30

I think it's called like false prophet or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:34

It is false prophet.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:37

Okay. Moving on, please. Uh, judge and jury. We actually had someone, I don't know if you remember, I think it was episode 11 or somewhere around there. We had someone write in about their family group chat, and we all said we wanted to hear more.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:53

Oh, is this in like an update or whatever?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:55

Yes, so this is an update. And now she's asking for some more advice. So ready?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:02

Excited.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:04

Uh, this is how it starts. Remember me, the wife who hasn't added who wasn't added to the family group chat for three months. Well, I finally got added, and turns out it wasn't the real one. Last Saturday, my husband left his phone on the counter and a notification popped up from a group chat called OG Family. My mother-in-law, father-in-law, husband, and his two siblings. No wives. Seven months of messages all about us. My mother and my mother-in-law said she doesn't know what he sees in me anymore, that I have no way to I have no idea how to parent. Said I've let myself go since having the baby, and my husband deserves better than what he's getting at home. It also said my sister-in-law is trashy new money and in embarrassment at church. She called my own mother a cheap hostess, pretending to have taste, and my father-in-law just says, ha ha to everything. My husband has sent two messages in seven months, both thumbs up emojis. One was a comment about my mom. I took screenshots, he doesn't know I saw it. My sister-in-law has to grab coffee tomorrow. What's the verdict? Do I tell her, confront my husband, or drop the screenshots in the family chat and let it burn?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:18

So the husband doesn't defend her in the group chat when the psycho mother-in-law says that?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:23

He just doesn't say anything. He hasn't responded in seven months to anything. He's done two emojis.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:31

If it were me. Well, first of all, I think it's weird that she can't just like ask her husband about it because obviously he's not agreeing.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:41

So if like if it were me, I would take those screenshots. I would go to all the other in-laws and I would be like, look what they're saying. And then I would call them out.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:51

You're gonna call it formal mutiny with the other in-laws?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:54

Yeah. Because they have their own mutiny.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:58

I mean, yeah. But Kate, we have to remember, she's already confronted her husband once. So she she did that about the original group chat, and she got put into what she thought was the new family group chat.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:13

Yeah, who started the OG?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:16

I'm I'm sure the mother-in-law. We don't know that for sure, but I'm sure it was the mother-in-law. And so, anyway, she's in that one.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:25

So if it's just the mother-in-law talking shit on all the in-laws, then the mother-in-law is psycho and she's gotta like re-evaluate.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:33

I mean, that's what it sounds like it is, and just the husband just not even really entertaining it.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:38

Well, I'm glad that the husband doesn't entertain it, but I also think the husband needs to be like, this is my wife, this is the mother of my children. You need to freaking back off, or you won't see us.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:54

Yeah, I agree. I think I do think he needs to say something. He's gotta say, like, mom. I don't know if I'd come in with all the threats to my own mom about not seeing us. But maybe if it goes too far, but I I would be like, mom, you gotta chill out. Just chill out on my wife. That's my wife. I'm sure you wouldn't like if dad's family was just in a group chat talking about you all the time.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:19

Yeah, that's crazy. The comments that her mother-in-law made, I like literally would never see or speak to her ever again if somebody, if my mother-in-law said that about me. I mean, I like those are some serious attacks. He can do better without her.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:39

Yeah, that's not a good mom. That is like saying that you're not a good mom.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:46

That's a rough one.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:47

I literally would be like, you'll never see me or my children again.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:51

I don't like I don't know what to do for this one. Because the husband clearly just doesn't want to deal with it. That's what I get from his side, is just he doesn't he doesn't play into the messages, he doesn't confront his mom.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:05

So it's just like that's why I wish he wants to keep the peace. I wish she and her would would talk to her husband about it because what if the husband is like, yeah, she's crazy, but like it's not worth starting a fight. But like uh those comments are worth starting a fight. It's not like she's sending being like, oh my gosh, she her hair is ugly, or oh my gosh, the way she chews really pisses me off. It's like, no, like these are like deep personal attacks against her own daughter-in-law.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:39

Like at some point, the husband, if it was just like little petty things of like, oh, whatever. No, like those are like not petty.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:52

No, I I get what you're saying. I just struggle. First off, it's like my mom would never say those things. I know she never would, but it's just still like there's still the mom-son relationship.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:04

Yeah, but that's your wife.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:05

I understand that. But you also are like, oh, I want my kids to know their grandparents. And so he's probably kept this just away from his wife because he was probably protecting his wife. Yeah, he just protecting your wife, and he just also doesn't want to start things with his with his mom because I understand if my wife saw those things, she'd probably be like, I don't ever want to see your mom again. And so he's probably just keeping it to himself, doesn't want that to happen because he still wants to see his mom.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:33

Well, you know what? It always comes out sooner or later. And there are some things that you can't just like sweep under the rug. If that's how your mother truly feels about your spouse.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:46

But don't you think there's just people that are never gonna be satisfied? They're just like the way they are, they just have to sit there and always be negative. I mean, yeah, but And I feel like this is that lady.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:57

Then that's why the husband needs to say, if you're gonna say that about my wife, either don't say it to me and don't tell me about it.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:08

Because now he's like complicit.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:11

So he either needs to he no, not either. He needs to put his foot down and say, Stop running your mouth about my wife, as Will Smith would say, keep my wife's name out of your effing mouth.

unknown 1:26:23

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:25

Okay. I agree.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:28

And he needs to say, if you want to have a relationship with not only me, but my wife and my children, yeah, then you need to stop. And then he needs to remove himself from said group message and not be complicit. Because guilty by association.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:48

I agree. I think I kind of like your last idea though.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:54

That's like when people say, like, I didn't lie to you, I just I just didn't say anything. It's like lying by omission is a lie.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:03

Wow, you should listen to your own words of advice here because you have a tendency to do that too.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:08

Kate, not about big stuff like this.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:11

I know, I know. Um, anyway, I think she should just drop them in the family group chat and let it just blow up. That's what I would do.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:22

Yeah. I would get I would get all this in law, all the other in-laws together that she's talking crap about. I would go to lunch or dinner, and while you're at that lunch or dinner, I would send them.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:33

Okay, that's cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:34

Throw the grenade and then just that is just sit back and watch it.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:39

Yeah, I the reason I say that, like, I do think that that's a messy way to do it, but I think she needs to be embarrassed. Like, the mother in law needs to be super embarrassed. She needs to realize that she looks like an idiot and like that's not cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:53

Like, welcome to the consequences of your own actions.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:56

And I think oh, and he problem is you couldn't go tell. Your husband that. Like, I couldn't go tell Megan that I'm about to go to just blow up the group chat because then she'd be like, Don't you dare, you can't do that. Please don't do it. Just keep the peace. We'll we'll talk to her. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:14

No, the husband needs to be like, yeah. But he wouldn't do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:18

He wouldn't just say, Yeah, blow up the group chat.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:20

If you're gonna say it, you gotta stand behind what you say.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:25

I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:26

So it's like she said it.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:30

So either say it to my face, the mother-in-law needs to be like, okay, yeah, I do feel like that. Or like she needs to get down on her knees and beg for forgiveness and just be like, sorry, I was being a bitch and I won't I won't do that ever again.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:46

I think that's so it's so weird that the mother-in-law has an issue with every single in-law. It's like, are you like jealous of their relationships? Like, it's weird.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:58

No, she just sounds like a super negative person that's always gonna be negative about anybody. And so I also think the husband just knows that and he just doesn't think much about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:07

Well, time for the husband to put on his big boy pants.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:10

But that's not him putting on his big boy pants, that's just him be like, I know my mom's gonna say these things. She says them about everybody.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:15

Like, I just don't internalize it.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:17

It's just whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:18

Then he needs to not be a part of the group message and he needs to say, I do not want to hear those things about my wife. Stop saying them to me. Stop saying them in general. And then remove aggressive. Remove himself from the group chat.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:34

Yeah. I do see if she does drop him in the family chat, that could be could cause some strain on the husband-wife relationship, but I don't know. I think that's what you gotta do because I think the other-in-laws need to know that that's happening. I think everyone seems to just need to be out in the open, and people seem to all need to talk about it and figure out why freaking this mother-in-law is just destroying everybody in the group chat all the time.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:05

This mother-in-law, she needs therapy. Maybe we could send them the therapist, the family therapist that is coming on.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:12

Yeah, we'll see how it goes with us and see if she really helps us, then we can send them or send her over.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:18

That'd be good. Alright, that one's a tough one.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:22

That mother-in-law sounds like a piece.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:25

Yeah. Could always move states and just like, you know, go to business school. Just kidding. Uh, what's happening?

unknown 1:30:38

All right.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:38

I think Shannon keeps walking in. I have I have a judge and jury.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:43

Oh, okay. That I was gonna be done there, but let's do it. Last one.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:48

Okay. So somebody wrote in and said, I I can't find it, so I'm really gonna be like paraphrasing a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:02

Similar to how you paraphrase the book.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:04

It'll be better than how I paraphrase the book, don't you frat?

SPEAKER_04 1:31:07

Please.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:08

So, okay, so somebody wrote in, I can't find it, so whatever. They said, I need help on what to do in my situation. So her grandfather died like three years ago, two years ago. Um, and while her grandfather was alive, her his cousin, the grandfather's cousin, they were all kind of like friends, couple friends. They would like go on vacation together.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:40

And he always felt like his cousin kind of had a crush on his wife.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:47

The grandmother. And he always like would be like, oh, like, I don't like being around Bob because he has a crush on you. And she would always kind of just be like, oh, like, no, he's happily married, blah, blah, blah, whatever. So the grandfather dies. Then the grandma starts all of a sudden hanging out with the cousin.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:21

And the grandkids and the kids are like, grandpa hated him. He always felt like he had a crush on you. Why are you hanging out with him? So then they go on a trip. They go on a vacation.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:37

The five-minute pauses between sentences, come up, spit it out.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:41

Sorry. I'm I'm I'm trying to like think of all the details because there's a lot. So they go on a vacation. It's kind of like an old couple, old couple's vacation, but like she goes alone. And they spend the entire time together. The cousin and the wife.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:02

And I guess when the wife comes home, or like when everybody comes home off vacation, the cousin's wife is like, you like so and so so much, go be married to her, and they get a divorce.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:17

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:18

And she said, so their wedding is in like a couple months. Everybody is freaking out because like nobody likes him. The grandpa, who her dead husband was like, did not like this guy. All of her kids and all of her grandkids are like, Grandma, please do not marry this guy. Like he's he's also been married four times.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:48

Oh gosh. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:50

And so she's like, Do I go to the wedding or do I not go to the wedding?

SPEAKER_04 1:33:56

Oh. And the sorry, this is her mom.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:01

This is her grandma.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:03

I mean her grandma.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:04

Yes. Wow. Um that is interesting. Because it's how old is this grandma? I need to know the ages.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:14

She's like 80.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:16

Wow. So she's really trying to make most of these last like 10 years.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:20

Yeah, she's like 75 or 80.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:22

Yeah, that's old. Um I don't know. That's how old is the cousin? Like, are they the same age? Around the same age?

SPEAKER_00 1:34:31

Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:33

Okay, that's crazy. I I don't know. I would say, well, grandma, go enjoy the last five years. I would think I would go just because it's my grandma. But I think that's pretty problem is it's hard for me because I I was so young when my grandparents died. I've never really had that close relationship with them. So I'm not like good at talking about that one because I don't really have a good perspective.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:58

Yeah, from my perspective, because I was very close with my grandparents. Um, I would be like, Grandma. What are you doing? What are you doing? Like, you know how they say, like, don't make big decisions in like big life moments, like when there's a death, or when you just had a baby. Like, it's like, don't make big life decisions in certain times.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:24

Like, I just feel like she doesn't maybe want to be alone and she feels really lonely. But it's like, maybe don't marry the guy that your late husband hated and always was like, he's creepy. He always is staring at you. I don't like the way he looks at you.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:45

Like, yeah, that's fine.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:46

And and I forgot about this. He had said the late grandpa had said to the cousin, like, they kind of had a falling out because he was like, You are creepy with my wife. Like, you need to stop.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:03

And then it's like, that's the one guy she's like gonna go for.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:06

So that means she's been into him this whole time, too.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:10

Or she's just like, she knows that he's always been into her and she doesn't want to be alone, so it's like an easy catch.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:16

Yeah, but like at that age, you got so many people that would hang out with you, could be around you. You know, you have your kids, your grandkids, go. I don't know. It's wild. But I think the grandma has been into him the whole time, too. They've kind of had their little, you know, flirty eyes, flirty conversations for the last how many years. And so they're finally just doing it. Literally.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:43

I mean, ooh, can you even do it when you're that old?

SPEAKER_04 1:36:45

I don't know. That's disgusting. But um, yeah, I think I would go to the wedding, but at the same time, I would probably talk.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:53

I I mean, I hope they've they've all said something. Like, even like the grandma's children, like her kids, the grandkids, the great grandkids, they've all said something. And what do you do? It's like she's just like, nope, I'm gonna marry him.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:08

The problem with that is my view is the time is some so short left with your grandma. You don't want to not be there for her, and also risk, you know, not seeing her for a couple years or whatever, and then all of a sudden the time's up. So I think you'd have to kind of get over that and just be like, I'm doing this for my grandma because I love my grandma, and I don't know how much time I have left with her. Yeah, that's true. What would you do?

SPEAKER_00 1:37:38

I would have a really hard time with that. I would sabotage to no end.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:45

Go get all the prior ex-wives and just I would make that guy's life a living hell. I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:57

Because this is the other thing. Why have you been married so many times?

SPEAKER_04 1:38:02

Yes, I'm saying, go get the all the uh other ex-wives, bring them into a room, sit the grandma down, and be like, listen to them.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:09

Well, and I'm I would be worried for the my grandma because I would be like, is he after your money? Is he like what what is it?

SPEAKER_05 1:38:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:19

Like, it's weird. It's weird. Um, and if I were this girl, I would say I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:32

You gotta give an answer. Are you going to the wedding or not?

SPEAKER_00 1:38:35

Well, I don't know. It's hard because if you're if you say I don't know, okay, I keep going. Like, cause because I don't have my grandma here, I would say go maybe go to the wedding, or if you really don't want to go to the wedding, like do something with her like before and after, and just be like, I can't, I don't like him, and grandpa didn't like him. So, but like because I don't have my grandma here, it's always like I'm always like, I wish that I could spend more time with my grandparents.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:12

So that's a tough one. Cause also she's like 75, she's gonna do whatever she wants.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:20

I mean, at that point, that's my thing. Is what are you really gonna say that's gonna stop her that everyone else hasn't said, and is it really worth it when you just want to make sure you spend time with that that person for the next how many years? But I feel like it's a tough battle, especially with someone that old. I don't know what you'd really say to that. I get the I get the alone thing though. I I get her not wanting to be alone.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:48

Yeah, no, I get that too. I would say if she has money and that's what you're worried about, make him sign a prenup.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:55

But they're so old, it's like that protects your inheritance. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would I would sign a prenup, or I would get her living will. She needs a living will.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:10

And nothing goes to the husband or his family, everything goes to her kids and her grandkids. That's what I would do.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:19

That's what it's really about. The money. The money.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:23

Well, I think that's what it's about for this guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:26

No, that's fair. I don't know. Could be his motives.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:29

But I do he's like a black widow, but like boy version.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:34

Interesting. I just feel bad for that poor grandpa that passed away, and all of a sudden his wife soon is you're shacking up with the cousin that he always hated. Yep, that's brutal. That's brutal. Poor guy. Anyway, that's all we had. That's that's a long episode. Almost two hours. And I guess we're just gonna release it and see if people like it or not. If they want the uncut it, uncut version every time.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:00

Maybe we should uh maybe we should like try to cut down some of my stuff, like my books, stuff that I didn't know how to explain.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:07

Nope, we're leaving it all in there. Okay, whatever. Yep. Do you want to close this out since you started us?

SPEAKER_00 1:41:16

Sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:17

Um turn on the uh, what do you call it? Your news anchor voice.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:20

Yeah, my newscaster voice. Okay, ready?

SPEAKER_04 1:41:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:24

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SPEAKER_04 1:41:42

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SPEAKER_00 1:41:52

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SPEAKER_04 1:42:04

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SPEAKER_00 1:42:11

Yeah, we're we're really geared towards the people. So the people need to let us know what they want. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:17

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SPEAKER_02 1:42:20

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