Midnight Horror Discussion | The Bewitching (Part 1) | Creepy Stories & Dark Timelines

Welcome to Cozy Midnight Collective, your go-to midnight horror show for all things dark and mysterious. In today’s midnight horror discussion, we are diving into Part 1 of The Bewitching by Silvia Moreno-Garcia.

We’re bringing our signature cozy atmosphere to this creepy podcast episode as we dissect three tangled timelines and the women at the center of them. If you love true spooky stories and spooky tales, grab your coffee and join the collective.

Inside this episode |

• The Blueprint | We break down the three separate timelines and how they shift the perspective of the story.
• Character Study | First impressions of our leading ladies—who do we trust, and who is already giving us the creeps?
• The Red Strings | We speculate on how these lives are destined to collide (and our theories are already getting wild).
• The Guide | We touch on our custom Reading Guide to help you track the clues along with us.

Chapters |

Welcome Back | 00:18:01

March Reading Guide | 08:22:20

The Deep Dive: Lore & Influences | 10:10:21

The Crystal Ball: Predictions & Guesses | 54:05:15

Goodbye For Now | 1:07:57:01

We’re also dropping some major hints about what’s waiting for us in Part 2. Trust us, you aren't ready for the shift that’s coming.

Stay cozy. Stay spooky. And maybe get more sleep than we did.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:17

Welcome back to Cozy Midnight Collective. I'm Lauren.

SPEAKER_03 0:24

And I'm Morgan.

SPEAKER_01 0:28

And um it's like late. It's legit after midnight. Yeah. It is.

SPEAKER_03 0:35

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

Oh, here we go.

SPEAKER_03 0:37

I don't have my watch. It is on the charger.

SPEAKER_01 0:39

255. 255. We um we're in our pajamas, which is kind of fun. We're having a sleepover. I thought it was like 155.

SPEAKER_03 0:55

Oh my god. You guys. We've been so behind this week that we were like, hey, let's like do a sleepover and do some fun stuff and then we'll film and like catch up and everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:09

Here we are. Almost 3 a.m.

SPEAKER_03 1:12

Here we are. Um but I ate ice cream and some like waffle cookies. So that was beautiful. Yeah. We talked about Red Rising.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

Babe, I know you're watching, but I'm I'm trying. I'm whittling them down. They're gonna read it soon. Okay. They said they would. And I won't I won't quit until Glenn and Morgan read Red Rising. And it's your fault.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

And it's your fault.

SPEAKER_01 1:48

No, I love you. Thanks for putting me on.

SPEAKER_03 1:51

Um we're trying to be so quiet. Our kids are sleeping in the other room. They're having a little sleepover. It's adorable. Yeah. So but the bewitching, it's it's pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 2:08

Yeah. Slow start. Definitely different from slow start. Yeah. But it's good. I I like its um dark academia vibes. Um very good. Like a witchy.

SPEAKER_03 2:23

There's Victorian era, yeah. As well as like modern day.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

Yeah. And then there's like um depression era. So it's like so three different um timelines, three different women, um, all going through their own little journey. Yeah, their own little spooky journeys. Um, yeah, it's like it's it's really good though. It's it's good and like it's kind of eerie in certain parts, you know.

SPEAKER_03 2:55

Um it was slow start, not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_01 2:59

Yeah, it was slow. Yeah, I think it's just like a slow building.

SPEAKER_03 3:02

Oh my god, yeah. Am I gonna be able to make it through this one? And then by page 20, I was like, okay, yeah. We're getting somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 3:15

Stuff starts to pick up, and it gets like, if anything, it's like like kind of like getting some tea, kind of, especially with Alba's story. Alba's story, I'm not gonna lie, I'm a little concerned.

SPEAKER_03 3:30

Very.

SPEAKER_01 3:31

I'm I'm a little concerned. Not a little, a lot, um, especially as far as like Uncle Um Arturo is concerned.

SPEAKER_03 3:42

Arturo can suck it as far as I'm concerned. Yeah. Um I don't I don't like him so far. Yeah. He's giving like creeper uncle incest vibes, and I'm well literally mucked. Yeah, and if you haven't heard the trigger warning yet. Oh trigger warning for like And spoilers and spoiler warning, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Spoiler warning going from here forward.

SPEAKER_03 4:12

Um and trigger warning for trigger warning. Obviously, incest death.

SPEAKER_01 4:20

Well, supposed incest.

SPEAKER_03 4:21

I don't know. Yeah, nothing's happened. Trigger warning because I mentioned the word incest. Yeah, yeah. And so I hope no incest. I don't know. I just weird. I'm not a fan, and she's a huge fan. Like, she even did a small witchy summon to like bring him in.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

She loves her uncle, like, and like I think that um she loves the fact that he's not like what she's used to. Like, he's like the big city artsy, you can like play piano, like that type of stuff. Like, he's just like very like what she considers to be like a first class man. And yeah, as we get into Elba story, you'll kind of know what we mean. If you maybe maybe you've read this book by now, but it's um it's good. Like, I I you know, yeah, it was a slow start, but once we kind of got into it, I'm I'm intrigued. Like I I'm like I am curious as to how all of these storylines are gonna end up merge connecting.

SPEAKER_03 5:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:38

Especially since Alba's story is kind of set in a totally different place, totally different time. But um Beatrice and Minerva's stories are set in the same place but different times. So they're a little bit closer together than um Alba. And then Alba is Minerva's great-grandmother.

SPEAKER_03 6:06

Yes. Um and Minerva followed in Beatrice Tremblay's shoes.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

She's obsessed with her. Loves everything about her.

SPEAKER_03 6:20

That's who she was obsessed with growing up, and she wanted to like essentially just walk in her shoes about her own life. Yeah. Uh so there's a lot of connecting points and a lot of back and forth for this first part.

SPEAKER_01 6:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:43

Um, I was a little bit confused, not gonna lie, where I just was like, I wanted to double check with Lauren to see like, am I approaching this the right way? As far as like timelines and chapters are concerned, just because it would say a year and a number, but those like they weren't self-explanatory kind of moving forward, they didn't stay in an order, and so I would I got a little lost.

SPEAKER_01 7:15

I've been kind of keeping track of it by like each chapter, like each year gets a chance to add a chance.

SPEAKER_03 7:25

At the beginning, you know how sorry to bring it back to letters to the purple satin killer, but you know how like in the beginning there was like like the directory or whatever. Yeah, there was just like a little bit of like explanation for like what's to come and how to process it, how to work through it.

SPEAKER_01 7:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:47

I wish there was a little bit of that going on with this book, especially since we're dealing with so many different timelines. Yeah, yeah, like it would have been very helpful. Yeah. So, anyways, I'm not saying it's not don't take this as critique that that means I don't love the book because the the book is beginning to open up and it's fantastic. Um I'm just saying I struggled a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 8:19

I yeah, I I get that. Okay, so the book, um, you know, kind of how I with how we did with um Letters of Purple Satin Killer. Um, we split the book up into four parts. Um, we kind of talked about this in the last episode, but you know, we just wanted to make it easily digestible. Um, kind of make it easier for us to talk about it on the podcast instead of trying to cover the whole book in one episode, like the housemaid. Yeah, that was a lot, but um so much book for one episode. I know what were we thinking? It was our first episode.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

You know, I know we were like, we had no idea.

SPEAKER_01 9:04

So yeah, we got four parts. Um, you want to talk about the reading guide?

SPEAKER_03 9:09

Yep. So if you're reading along with us, uh, we have our official March reading guide and it's gonna be pinned to both our Instagram and our TikTok. And once our website's up and running, which it's under construction right now, it'll be pinned there too.

SPEAKER_04 9:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:29

Uh, but um it lists the exact page stop so you don't have to wander off, you know, too far into the thicket before we do.

SPEAKER_02 9:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:43

And so today we're gonna be covering obviously part one. So page one through page, what was it? One.

SPEAKER_01 9:50

Oh, um, I want to say it was like 90 something.

SPEAKER_03 9:54

I thought it was 103. Something like that, yeah. Yeah, so like 98 to 103. Don't quote me. Please go look at our posts.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

Yeah, refer to the reading guide on the video.

SPEAKER_03 10:05

Yeah, I'll refer to the reading guide because it's it's official.

SPEAKER_01 10:15

How would you describe like the first like in three words how this first part made you feel? I would just say for like the first yeah, the first few, like first parts.

SPEAKER_03 10:29

So definitely intrigued. I would say bored, which I know that's not leading us like off necessarily on the right foot, but I'm just I'm being honest, okay? So I was bored, and then I was very intrigued. Yeah. And then I was skeptical. And it's going well.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

I would say what about you? I'm suspicious, intrigued, kinda sad. Yeah. And I think I'm kind of sad because I'm like, there's so many things that are going on, and then how this first part kind of ends, like I didn't even like I didn't even like split this up like specifically because of certain parts. I literally just like looked up how many pages there were and how to separate that into four. And the way that like, because I'm like up to this point, I finished through part two. The way part two ended too, it feels like it's like left off on a cliffhanger and it sets up perfectly for the next part. And so the way that this first part ended just made me kind of sad. Um, and especially since like all of the storyline.

SPEAKER_03 11:56

How's the second part end?

SPEAKER_01 11:57

The first part. So the the first part, the way it ends, which we'll get to. Um, it's kind of sad because um Alba's family dynamic changes, and then like, you know, we kind of get a little more information on Minerva's end, and then um, so I mean, I guess we could probably start too by saying like who each of these people are and what they're going through respectively in their own time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:24

So if you're not actually reading along, you can still like follow along with us.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:31

So you don't need to read the book. I mean, we're literally doing it for you. But if you're treating our podcast as your reading guide book of the month as well, then you're reading along with us.

SPEAKER_01 12:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:48

So either way.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

Yeah, I mean, honestly, I think the best way to start would probably be with like Minerva. And for sure. She, it's 1998 in her timeline. She's going to college and she's working on her thesis. And she is obsessed with all things horror, like classic horror literature.

SPEAKER_03 13:10

Your your typical cozy midnight kind of girl.

SPEAKER_01 13:13

Yep, cozy midnight kind of girl. Yeah. She um, you know, she's obsessed with this particular writer, Beatrice, was it Trevela? Yeah. And um, Beatrice had written a book called The Vanishing, and it was her most popular work of fiction, I guess. But Minerva is curious because she wants to write her thesis on specifically Beatrice because she is so underappreciated, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 13:45

As a woman, as a horror author.

SPEAKER_01 13:47

Especially as an author. Yes. And she um is actually she's attending the same college that Beatrice had attended as well.

SPEAKER_03 13:57

And so and also from Mexico.

SPEAKER_01 14:00

Yeah, so she is an yeah, so she's from Mexico. Yeah. Yeah, she's like on a work release program, so she's like an RA. And so she's choosing to stay on campus over the summer so that she can work on her thesis to be alone, yeah, on campus.

SPEAKER_03 14:18

Like they're going through some hard times as well, like back home. So she's actually quite lucky that she has somewhere to be live in the first place. Uh, not to mention, like, get an education as well. But um, her family is kind of struggling back home, and so they're actually renting out her room to make up for a little bit of lost cash. And on the same token, she's being cared for. I mean, caring for herself, but still being cared for with this educational program in the states that she's on full ride scholarship for for her academia. And um yeah, so she gets to stay home at the college during break, and she works doing she's like an she's an RA, so she basically has to make sure the place doesn't burn down pretty much like while everybody's gone.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

And so there's like a couple people that stay behind.

SPEAKER_03 15:29

Like essentially the all the dorms that people live in.

SPEAKER_01 15:33

And there's there's a couple people that stay behind. One of them, his name is like Conrad Carter. And he's a side character, but he seems kind of important, but also kind of suspicious. Yeah. Because he's like, he's a bit of a tr of a troublemaker. He's like, he breaks the rules, and Minerva kind of like rolls her eyes whenever she has to deal with him because she's like great Conrad. And he's like, he tries to charm his way out of there, and there's like I think there's a history between the two of them because she kind of mentions briefly if there's yeah, how like she used to think that his charms were cute, but like now she's over it. And um, yeah, his roommate um disappeared. So like a lot of people think that he just dropped out.

SPEAKER_03 16:17

They're like, hey, like, where is bags are still doing this? Hasn't he come back to get his bags?

SPEAKER_01 16:24

Nobody knows, like I said, everybody like yeah, everybody's just kind of like, he just dipped. He just he must have just dropped out.

SPEAKER_03 16:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:31

And so there's kind of like that mystery element, and so um, you know, Minerva is also very reserved, she likes to keep to herself, she's a hard worker, you know, she's kind of struggling to write her thesis. She's kind of hit like a wall, which is like rare for her. And so um, you know, she she has a friend, his name is Hedeo, and he's staying behind as well. He's also another fellow, he's a fellow RA. And um they, you know, he's trying to kind of get her to come out, get out of Rochelle, you know, stop working so hard, like that type of thing. And then um he invites her to a party.

SPEAKER_03 17:08

I was about to say house party.

SPEAKER_01 17:10

Yeah, so she goes to this party, and you know, she like I said, she's very fascinated by like the New England witchcraft thing. Um as am I, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:20

Okay, because like I really want to go to Salem.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

Yeah, agreed, agreed. I would love to go.

SPEAKER_03 17:26

Yeah. So can you blame a girl?

SPEAKER_01 17:30

No, you know, I don't blame her at all. And so yeah, so she goes to this party and like she's kind of like F this, I don't want to be here. So she she goes to leave, and then she runs into um what is his name? Connor. Noah the uh Yates, Jonathan?

SPEAKER_03 17:51

Sorry, yep. Carolyn Yates is great. Oh yeah, so he's Noah.

SPEAKER_01 17:55

Yeah, Noah, that's right. So he's important because he is the grandson of Carolyn Yates, and Carolyn um is was best friends with Beatrice Tremblay, and she may or may not have access to an unpublished, like the diaries, yeah, journals, journals, letters of Beatrice, and so that would be obviously very useful to Minerva. Yes, so Minerva.

SPEAKER_03 18:23

Because Minerva's writing her thesis, her thesis, like dissertation on again Beatrice Tremblay or Tremblay. Tremblay, yeah. Tremblay. And essentially, like her writing style, just everything about her, how she writes, how she composes, that she's a female, that she's a part of horror genre, like she's writing a paper that is defining like the whole category, essentially.

SPEAKER_01 18:59

Yeah, and so she kind of runs into this guy, to Noah. He's like drunk, you know, she helps him out, and um, you know, she kind of they kind of get to chatting and he's like, Oh, I know you from around campus, you know, and he seems like very he's like a spoiled, she kind of refers to him as like kind of like a spoiled kind of Nepo baby type thing, you know. Um, and you know, he kind of he's drunk, but he's like, Hey, you know, I know, you know, he's like, You you asked me about my grandmother. And um he's like, Well, did you ever reach out to her? She's like, Yes, I reached out to her secretary. The secretary said that she's busy, and he was like, Oh yeah, that's you know, little terrible, yeah. So he says, How about you come over to brunch tomorrow? And Minerva's like, Oh, you're not gonna remember this in the morning. But um, she's kind of like, you know what? I'm gonna go. He told me I could come. I'm gonna go.

SPEAKER_03 19:53

I'm gonna show up, whether he remembers or not. Yeah, yeah. I remember.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

Yeah. So she goes the next day to brunch, and Noah's like pass out, and Carolyn ends up inviting her in. And at first she's kind of like, Oh, you're the one that's after Betty's um diaries, and she's like, Well, you know, sorry, I'm not gonna help, I'm not gonna get, you know, no, it's not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03 20:17

Yeah, not after them, but like, I'm doing research. Yeah, I have a dissertation to write.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

Yeah, and Minerva kind of finds a way, like, she kind of takes pity on the poor old woman, you know, she's kind of alone in the house, other than her grandson, who she says, you know, is basically just like a bump on the log. He's useless. And she's like, he's sleeping off his night, you know, as usual. He's drunk. And so one thing leads to another, and Carolyn's, you know, uh ends up saying, you know what? You actually seem like a pretty good girl. Come with me. I will let you read these diaries, like you know what I have. And basically what she offers is she's like, I will tell you when.

SPEAKER_03 21:01

When you can come, when how long why, how, you know, all of the things.

SPEAKER_02 21:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:10

And if you can abide by that and take no more than an hour, each right?

SPEAKER_01 21:17

Yeah, she's like, gives her like an hour, maybe 10. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:21

Then fine. Yeah. Like I will let you. And Carolyn's, how would you describe Carolyn?

SPEAKER_01 21:27

She's very much so like the wealthy socialite. She's, you know, runs like snobby, the you know, the foundation. Like she she shows Minerva like some art, and and oh, and the interesting part too is that she shares with her that she married, so so one key thing we left out was that uh the reason why Minerva's so fascinated by this book that Betty had written, Beatrice had written, is because allegedly. Allegedly, Beatrice had written this book about a girl who goes missing. And it is inspired by her best friend, Ginny. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 22:10

Jennifer.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

Going Virginia. I want to say it's Virginia that they call her Ginny.

SPEAKER_03 22:16

Right now.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

That's okay.

SPEAKER_03 22:17

That's written by her best friend, Virginia, right?

SPEAKER_01 22:20

So, yeah, about Virginia. So Virginia had gone missing. And so she believes, Beatrice has stated that she believes supernatural forces were the reason why she had gone missing. Let alone the fact that maybe she could have run away with like the uh the Italian. Yeah, Italian uh like Puerto Rico. Yeah, the handyman.

SPEAKER_03 22:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:49

Um, but the thing is is that Virginia was dating Carolyn's husband. Well, so back.

SPEAKER_03 22:57

Carolyn's now husband who has since actually passed, right?

SPEAKER_01 23:01

Yeah, so he's passed away.

SPEAKER_03 23:02

So, but she ends up becoming a Gates, and at the time Jenny, Virginia was dating the years, and he had already asked her to marry him. To marry him. So, and it was serious.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

Yeah, she's and she's very like so, so going back to Minerva, she shows Minerva the library and she says, Here, I will let you read her unpublished. The library in her home manuscript type thing where it basically tells the events of what happened from Beatrice's point of view. Right. And she kind of points out like some art because I guess Virginia, uh Ginny, the one who had gone missing, was very she was they she was really into art, but so is Carolyn.

SPEAKER_03 23:49

But Carolyn is like one of those like her artists, snobby painting, you know, but like it's gonna be like the difference between like like I don't know, art Leonardo da Vinci and Avici.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

Yeah, I don't know, or like uh music, Picasso, and yeah, yeah. It's just like their art styles are very different and exactly and Carolyn's husband, Yates, he had decided he wanted he kept the art and he was he had hired wanted it hung up around the house, like he refused to let it be donated.

SPEAKER_03 24:31

Yeah, he did not he wanted to support her regardless of her being around him.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

And he was very much so obsessed with her disappearance, like be like Beatrice was. So up until both of their writings, they were both just could not let it go. Yeah. And Carolyn's just kind of like, ugh, she ran away. Like, what else do you think?

SPEAKER_03 24:53

Carolyn doesn't want to be bothered with Carolyn is suspicious to me. Carolyn is sus for fucking sure.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:01

But you know what I think? Sylvia, the writer of this book, wants us to be suspicious of her.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

That's what I think too.

SPEAKER_03 25:10

Because, like, that's how these things go.

SPEAKER_01 25:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:15

I'm not, this is not my first book. You know? And so I'm like, okay, so she's really in my eyes, not like super suspect because she's so sus to me this early on.

SPEAKER_01 25:32

Like, yeah, that makes sense. Like, I see what you're I see what you're saying.

SPEAKER_03 25:35

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 25:36

Yeah. I just I don't know. I just don't trust the O'Brodinger.

SPEAKER_03 25:39

I don't fucking trust her as far as I can throw her, and she's not real, so I can't throw her anywhere.

SPEAKER_01 25:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:45

So I don't trust her at all. I am curious. But I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_01 25:50

If she did have something to do with Virginia goes, I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised. But I'm also like, what does she have to gain by letting Minerva? Either she thinks that Minerva is a very good thing.

SPEAKER_03 26:00

There's a reason why, first of all, she like wasn't even yet interested really in Yates from the get-go, only because like of the times, he was from like a very wealthy family, well to do, like old money pedigree, old money, very much like aligned with her pedigree, her money. And you guys know, okay, we've all seen Titanic, right? We know how it works, yeah. And needless to say, like he was the best choice, and so of course she had to steal him from Virginia, and Virginia was um but Virginia's missing, yeah, right? She's missing, she's assumed dead at this point, yeah, because it's been decades, right? Nobody has fucking seen her. And Yates had proposed to her, want loved her unconditionally, wanted to marry her. Love of his life. Love of his life. She came from her own money, but it was new money. Her family came from new money, uh, which Carolyn fucking despised. She hated her and then begun to learn how to tolerate her a little bit later in the first part of the book. Um, however, yeah, she's missing, she's gone, she's never been heard or seen from again. And Carolyn just happens to marry our good old boy, Yate. You know, with the perfect pedigree.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

Yeah, and I kind of love that like we kind of get the information more about like Virginia and Carolyn, especially when they were younger, because we get it through Beatrice's manuscript thing that Minerva is reading. So it's almost like we're reading along with Minerva. Yes, as she's going through this manuscript.

SPEAKER_03 27:56

And that was a little confusing for me, right? That brought that up to you. I'm like, I don't know how to do it.

SPEAKER_01 28:01

Because it goes from third person to first person, too. So, like, first person.

SPEAKER_03 28:05

And there's no distinct outline and like how to conceptualize what you're reading.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:14

So, but thank you for that. I appreciate it. No. Because you were like, Yeah, I know what you're saying, you're not lost. Here's how you interpret, and I'm like, cool.

SPEAKER_01 28:25

Yeah. And like with Beatrice's parts, they're all written in 1934. So like depression.

SPEAKER_03 28:32

Well, yeah, it says the year actually at the start of the chapter.

SPEAKER_01 28:35

But it's still it is still confusing.

SPEAKER_03 28:37

I don't know how to explain it.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

No, it is. I think once you like establish the tone of the person that you're reading about, then you're thinking you're like, this is how yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:47

This is who's who, yeah. It's so and me, I'm very much like a I need it spelled out for me.

SPEAKER_01 28:55

No, it's okay.

SPEAKER_03 28:56

Like it's it's easy is hard, what's hard is easy.

SPEAKER_01 29:01

This book is like it's it's laid out in an interesting way. Um, so yeah, but I will say like Beatrice's parts are kind of brief, like they're not like super long. I would say like her stuff kind of, you know, she kind of talks about going to college at the time like during the times and her friendship with she feels kind of torn between Carolyn and then Virginia. Virginia is like this very like just easy, breezy, happy, beautiful from California, like easy long hair. Yeah, she's oh, and she communes with spirits, she talks with the ghosts. Oh, yes, she does, and then um Carolyn.

SPEAKER_03 29:44

Like, have you guys ever seen have you ever seen like Tyler, the Hollywood medium? Yeah, it's like giving those vibes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

I agree, and then there's like a situation where they go to like a Halloween party and Virginia had stepped outside, and then um oh, and another thing to I think is important to note is that Beatrice is um she's a lesbian, like and for the time she doesn't like specifically say that because it's 1934, but she always said and it was toward well she okay, she's lesbian, period.

SPEAKER_03 30:20

Yeah, but she but she does have feelings for Ginny, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

Yeah, she does, and you know, they're roommates, and um, so they spend a lot of time together, and so she kind of you know, but but you know, Virginia's just she's got it all, you know, she's got decent money, she's got a great boyfriend slash fiance, um, you know, she's she had a great time, and this is why she's kind of like I do not believe that she just ran off with this Italian handyman.

SPEAKER_03 30:48

No, it doesn't make sense at all. And that's what I mean. I know you brought that up when we were just like briefly chatting the other day, and I'm like, it just it doesn't make sense because the way she is speaking about Yates, like he hung them in for her, like she is in love with him. She's in love with him, she loves him, uh-huh. And and I'm like, and she was going to accept, and so I'm like, there's I know people like I read obviously along with you in the book where it's like people think that she ran off with the handyman, and I'm like, no fucking way, yeah, and it's because she's like so easy to she is not yeah, but there's a difference between like easy breezy like communicating with somebody and easy breezy, I'm just gonna like fucking dip out for like weeks at a time.

SPEAKER_02 31:42

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:43

Like she wasn't like a I'm not gonna keep you posted kind of girl. I'm hitchhiking across the fucking country. Yeah, I'll see you when I see you.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:54

And like chill to talk to.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

Yeah. And this is the 30s, like we're right, how far would they have realistically gone? Gone. Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_03 32:06

Like, you had to be fucking chaperoned. Like, think of literally what's the fucking show that Bridg Bridgerton?

SPEAKER_01 32:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:12

You had to be fucking chaperoned by fucking everybody, everywhere. Like, come on.

SPEAKER_01 32:18

And so I I will say, like, with Beatrice, like, she does point out that they go out to this Halloween party. Virginia goes outside, and she's kind of missing for a little bit, and like the group is like, you know, they kind of went out as a group. Carolyn goes with a with a guy. Um, like it's like a Halloween dance. Uh Ginny and Mr. Yates go together, and then um Beatrice had gone with like a friend, like a male friend who oh yeah. Um, they kind of end up con they continued speaking to each other. It is they thought so, but he never fully came out. Like Carolyn says that he's just like an eternal bachelor. Um and so like they just would get together all the time just to hang out because they were just really close. Um, and so you know, the group kind of gets worried, they have no idea where she is, but then you they see her kind of running out of the woods, and she's like, somebody was following me. That you know, there's somebody following me, and they're and you know, they kind of are like, Well, you know, it's Halloween, like maybe you're just scared because it's it's a spooky night, like whatever. And so she's kind of like, you know, they laugh it off, and so um that's kind of like deep inside she's like, No. Something, yeah. But they, you know, they're just like, Oh, it was just spooky, yeah. And then so that's kind of like Beatrice thing, you know, she's just kind of discussing like the events leading up to her disappearance, and then we've got Alba. Alba is nice, so it's her story is set in 1908. She's the daughter of a rich farmer. Uh well, not rich farmer, like he's he's like middle class.

SPEAKER_03 33:57

Yeah, well, upper middle, upper middle class, yeah. He does well for himself, but he'cause they still have higher feelings.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

Yeah, yeah. So she's the oldest, the eldest is the eldest. She's the eldest out of all the siblings. There's like two, like, there's like twins, um, two other little siblings, and then she has her brother Tadeo, who is a year younger than she is. And their father recently passed away, and so the farm that they that they have was left to Tadeo, because he's kind of the man of the house. And then her mother lives with her, and then um and she's she's 19.

SPEAKER_03 34:37

Tadeo is pretty much like the man of the house. Yeah, he assumes that position.

SPEAKER_01 34:42

And he he loves the farm, loves everything wants to run it, he wants in life. He's very excited, like, to that he has been able to get the honor to him, it's an honor to take over the farm. Yeah, and um, yeah, they live in like a small town in Mexico, very small. Um, and uh so Alba, it kind of starts off, she's like very excited because her uncle's coming to town. Now her uncle is younger, like he's like closer to her age than he is to like her mother's age.

SPEAKER_03 35:16

Which is her um which is his sister's his sister.

SPEAKER_01 35:19

So yeah, so Alba's mother is his sister, and so he comes from like he's coming from like traveling the world, like he wears like nice fancy suits, he you know, he doesn't have any calluses on his hands, like he's like he's a city boy by like just just that's what he is by definition. And Alba is like Alba's the kind of girl where she's like, I don't want to be like some sort of farmer's wife, like I'm tired of living on the farm. She doesn't want to be a couple of things.

SPEAKER_03 35:47

I want to go to the city, like I wanna dress up, I wanna go out, I wanna see shows, I wanna have friends, I don't want to be dealing with like waking up at the crack of fucking dawn and feeding animals, like and Tadeo is just kind of Tadeo does not like Uncle Artro cannot stand him.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

He's like, I hate I don't like him, I don't trust him. It's interesting that he's coming around now when he knows that there's people that are wanting to buy the stuff. Yeah, because they are having a lot, they're having offers put out on the farm to buy, but you know, Tadeo's like, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_03 36:24

And his sister raised him. So he grew up partially on the farm because his sister, that is Alba's mother, raised Arturo on that same farm.

SPEAKER_01 36:38

He kind of went back and forth between the farm and then going to live with like their other sister, I think, who lived in the city.

SPEAKER_03 36:44

New York, right?

SPEAKER_01 36:45

Yeah, and he just he just like took better to the city. He's a he just loves the city like he's a city slicker, right?

SPEAKER_03 36:51

But he was but he writes in and spills the tea like oh, I saw in those letters what you were writing. Or not him necessarily, but like what his mother, so Lucia, yeah, her sister was writing about Arturo and his spending habits.

SPEAKER_01 37:13

Yeah, so yeah. So he's got a spending habit. So Tadeo is kind of like it's suspicious that like when you have run out of money that all of a sudden you, you know, you wind up here. You wind up here, you know, kind of like you know.

SPEAKER_03 37:28

Right in the nick of time for us to uh be selling.

SPEAKER_01 37:32

Yeah, and and Tadeo's like, yeah, that's not he's like it's not gonna happen. He's like, it's not gonna fucking happen. And then there's like fuck you, we are not um fucking selling. So, you know, Alba does like this big show of like making sure the house is in order and everybody's like washed and cleaned and like she wants to be presentable for her uncle. And it's a little weird, right?

SPEAKER_03 37:53

But it is, and then she's like, she said she's like summoned him with a small ritual.

SPEAKER_01 37:58

Yeah, so she kind of believes in like light witchcraft, right? Or she, you know, just like little tiny things here or there, you know.

SPEAKER_03 38:06

Which like me too. I burn sage. I say I say whatever I want to say as I chant it, going around the house for like clean energy and like health and prosperity.

SPEAKER_01 38:18

Like it's just yeah, and it's that kind of thing, and you know, and like it initially, you know, she she's 19 years old. She, you know, her mom is kind of wanting to prepare her for possibly getting married. Um, and you know, so she's just kind of like hoping that her uncle will kind of come to her rescue.

SPEAKER_03 38:37

Oh, and I bet you he wants to come to her rescue.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

And Arturo, like from the get-go, you can kind of tell that his the way he interacts with Alba.

SPEAKER_03 38:47

It's inappropriate.

SPEAKER_01 38:48

It's inappropriate. Like he's giving her like these special necklaces, like putting them on her, like sweeping her hair to the side. And maybe we're reading I don't know. I'm not we're not reading too much into it because he's just like very he's just kind of weird.

SPEAKER_03 39:02

It is what it is, and it's too much.

SPEAKER_01 39:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:05

And then then we're also if I was her, I would be very uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_01 39:10

Yeah. And then we're also introduced to another character named by the name of Valentine. And he's Valentine. The super sweet, sweetest little handsome, like father.

SPEAKER_03 39:22

I don't want to say the little boy, because like he's a male.

SPEAKER_01 39:25

Like, yeah, he's but he makes around her age. Oh, he's this like cute because he's just so sweet.

SPEAKER_03 39:30

Little 20-something year old. And it's I'm an old lad.

SPEAKER_01 39:34

Well, it's implied that he like has a crush on Alba and that like he maybe someday wants to marry her. And initially, she's kind of like, she's like, that's like my best friend. Like, I don't want to marry my best friend, but then she's also got these big city dreams and like all this other stuff. And so, um, you know, like he's like really sweet, you know, and he he's like from the get-go, you can tell that he's like a superstitious person. He believes in like the you know, the healing properties of some of like the good witches, the palasanto, yeah, yeah. So he he's very good with that, like you know, like he'll do like little gifts, you know, or little offerings um to kind of make sure that the farm is running the way it's supposed to, and whatever. And so, um, you know, Alba is kind of like not interested, but she's kind of interested, you know. And so as time kind of goes on, you know, Arturo is pressuring Tadeo to sell. Tadeo's getting more and more pissed off with Arturo.

SPEAKER_03 40:31

Like, he's like, just shut the fuck up, Arturo.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

This is not your ranch, this is my farm now. You need to leave. Like, yes. And Arturo's like kind of whispering into Alba's ear, like, just take us like all the big city things we can do. We can go to the to the theater. You know, your siblings can have a proper education. He's trying to talk like his her, you know, his sister into moving the kids into the city, and he talks down on like the locals for believing in like the superstitions and the witches and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 41:02

Yep. I don't believe in that at all. Like he gets pissed off. Like it's it's not even a little bit normal, his reaction to their superstitions.

SPEAKER_01 41:14

He gets pissed. Like, yeah, like weirdly.

SPEAKER_03 41:17

He goes with Yes, exactly. Exactly. So like he's just well that wasn't suspicious at all.

SPEAKER_01 41:26

Yeah, right. You can just tell from the get-go that he is not here for pure reasons, he's not here to support his sister after she lost her husband. He's not here to be there for his niece and his nephew and his other nieces and nephews. Like he's there because he smells money and he thinks that he can't.

SPEAKER_03 41:42

And maybe, maybe, maybe it's not money. Maybe we don't know like the true root of it all, but it's not for it's it's not for good reason.

SPEAKER_01 41:58

It's not, it's really not.

SPEAKER_03 42:00

Like whatever it is, he's not being honest about it.

SPEAKER_01 42:03

No. At all.

SPEAKER_03 42:05

And so yeah, so there's like he's degrading and he's mean.

SPEAKER_01 42:09

He's very degrading, and he he literally talks down on everybody in the small town because they own land and they they work with their hands. They don't like they're all they like he's fucked up. He's just a children. Like it's like the superiority.

SPEAKER_03 42:24

You can be all those things and still be kind, but instead you choose to wake up every day and be a fucking asshole.

SPEAKER_01 42:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:33

So have fun with that.

SPEAKER_01 42:35

Yeah, so there comes a point too where they go into town and um, you know, Alba's kind of talking with Arturo, and then Valentine comes up and he's like saying hello, you know, he's being a sweet pea. Again, he's just so sweet. You know, he kind of love him. Everybody loves Valentine. Everybody loves Valentine. Valentine is the cat of the town, and he's got eyes for Alba. And so there's a situation where they kind of run into um the witches. They're like the local witch, like the witches.

SPEAKER_03 43:07

The coven.

SPEAKER_01 43:08

And they do live in like a separate town.

SPEAKER_03 43:10

What I call a coven, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 43:12

Yeah, uh, like they live in like a separate town called like Low Los Pin or something like that. Um and she notices her brother is arguing with one of these witches, and the witch is like grabbing his arm, and like she's like being kind of aggressive. And Tadeo's like, like, looks pissed off, and like, you know, they like Valentina is like, uh oh, like, you know, he needs to watch how he talks to them, you know, because they'll do something. And Arturo's like, oh my god, don't poppycock, don't be so silly, you know. Like, you you you know, you silly, you know, small towners and your like superstitions, like he's just like talking down on them. And um, you know, Alba goes and she's like concerned for her brother. Like her and her brother are really close. They're like best friends too. And so she's kind of like, Are you okay? And he's and you know, today's like, Yeah, it's fine. She was trying to sell me a charm, but I wasn't interested. And she didn't like that I wasn't interested. And so, you know, whatever. So they go home and like um Valentine asks Tadeo, because Tadeo's really good with horses. He's like, Hey, we got a problem with my like our horse on the ranch. Do you mind coming over tomorrow and just taking a look at him? And today's like, Yeah, I'll I'll come over early in the morning before I get started over over at our place.

SPEAKER_03 44:29

It's kind of like the neighbors, like kind of go-to micro vet.

SPEAKER_01 44:34

Everybody loves Tadeo. Tadeo's also just like a really good dude.

SPEAKER_03 44:37

Right. But he knows his animal.

SPEAKER_01 44:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:39

Is what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 44:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:40

Right.

SPEAKER_01 44:41

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 44:42

So or horses, at least specifically. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:45

Yeah. So Alba kind of Alba, you know, goes to bed that night. Um Arturo is still kind of trying to sweet talk her into going. And then there's kind of a moment where they're sitting like at the piano where it seems like he might try to kiss her.

SPEAKER_03 45:01

But he doesn't.

SPEAKER_01 45:02

But he doesn't. And she's kind of like, what the fuck? Like she's kind of weirded out, but she's also kind of like thrilled at the same time. So it's like her feelings are kind of weird too. But then um energy is it's just weird. Yeah. And you know, and I it to me, it's like you're taking advantage of somebody who hasn't been out of off of the farm really. Like it's like he knew what he was doing. Like he knew that he was he was able to get her to, I don't know. So excuse me. She goes to bed, wakes up the next morning, and she goes to go check on today of make sure he's up or to see if he's home. And she goes into his room and she notices that like the sheets on the bed are like strewn, and like the the pitcher where he like pours his water or whatever is like on is like broken on the floor, and then there's blood all over the floor. And then he's like, what the f she's like, oh my god, something's wrong. And so that's how part one ends up ending, which was perfect. I felt like I felt like it was the perfect way to end. Yeah, part one. Um, so part one, yeah. So they do kind of like they do kind of bring in in this um the teo. I'm sorry, the word which one are you looking at? The teolokwani. The so it's like the because double L is Teo, right? Teo. Teo, yeah. So Teo Teoquani. Teoquani, yeah. I'm so sorry. Teoquani.

SPEAKER_03 46:55

Just like be kind to us, right? We're it's coming from the best. Yeah. So the office of our heart, and we're gonna like fuck shit up sometime. So excuse us. Oh man. Please correct us um in a kind way.

SPEAKER_01 47:11

Please. So Sylvia, the author, she kind of did her own spin on um uh it's like a so it's it's a um a witch. A witch, right? Based in his like Mexican folklore.

SPEAKER_04 47:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:30

So I have like the definition. So it's a malevolent witch slash slash sorcerer, referred to as a heart eater. They were known to prey on families and eat the hearts of infants or sleeping people. They could shape shift into birds such as turkeys or vultures or appear as white balls of light. They were known to haunt families and curse crops.

SPEAKER_03 47:53

So she kind of okay, hold the fuck up a second.

SPEAKER_01 47:57

Kind of sad.

SPEAKER_03 47:58

Have you not seen in stills the little white lights?

SPEAKER_01 48:07

Mmm. I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 48:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:12

Or like videos.

SPEAKER_01 48:14

Yeah. It's kinda like orb. Yeah, orbs. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that's why so many people like maybe fell victim to them because they thought, like, oh, it's just a dear departed family member, but then boom, it's a freaking heart eating witch.

SPEAKER_03 48:31

No, like your dear departed will see you when you get there. They're fucking peaceing out, they're enjoying their afterlife. They're not trying to stay and connect with you. I have not heard from my son since he departed. I don't think they do. Like, I think I don't know. I don't know what I think, but I'm keen to think that they're busy, they have shit to do, places to be. They'll see you when you get there.

SPEAKER_01 49:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:13

You know, and it's like, don't be fucking around with what you don't know. You'll invite some real fucking evil in.

SPEAKER_01 49:22

Yeah. No, I agree.

SPEAKER_03 49:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:26

I um, yeah, so it's kind of interesting because like her version in the book is instead of like eating the hearts of infants, because yikes, it's yikes. It's eating the hearts of like men because like it gives them like the much better and like the strength type thing.

SPEAKER_03 49:44

Yeah, like adrenochrome that we're learning about with the Epstein files. Fucking lovely.

SPEAKER_01 49:51

Yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:56

Like scare them enough, and like they secrete this hormone, which then becomes edible if you consume them. Fucking disgusting.

SPEAKER_01 50:05

I know. I can't even. You guys I can't even. Like what? That's like a whole iceberg that I just like.

SPEAKER_03 50:12

I did not mean to go there.

SPEAKER_01 50:14

It's okay.

SPEAKER_03 50:15

I am so sorry. No, it's because it's like, how do you come back from that? You don't, so we're moving on, but like it's fucked, right?

SPEAKER_01 50:23

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so yeah, I'm kind of interested. I'm I'm interested to see like how that's gonna play into that in the future um of this book. Um, it's this book is it's very interesting.

SPEAKER_03 50:38

Yeah, it's got it. I mean, it's definitely kind of giving off vibes of Hocus Focus, right?

SPEAKER_01 50:44

Yeah. Right. Just like a shade darker.

SPEAKER_03 50:47

And it's so funny because like my when I was pregnant with Odin and I was doing my what's it called? Um not the baby shower, but like your announcement, it was Hocus Focus.

SPEAKER_01 51:03

Oh, I love that.

SPEAKER_03 51:04

And it just when they they steal the youth from the youth. They consume it to get youth inside of them.

SPEAKER_01 51:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:21

It's just giving those vibes.

SPEAKER_01 51:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:27

To me.

SPEAKER_01 51:28

I see what you mean, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_03 51:31

And I was gonna say, in order for them to remain, to live, to continue to live, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:38

They gotta eat the heart.

SPEAKER_03 51:42

Yeah, youth to stay youthful.

SPEAKER_01 51:46

Yeah. No, it's it's I I I agree. It feels like hocus pocus, just like a shade darker. Well, but then when you think about hocus focus, no, hocus focus is pretty fucking dark. Yeah, yeah. It's really dark.

SPEAKER_03 52:00

Like I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?

SPEAKER_01 52:03

No, like I was just saying, like, in the terms of like I mean, it's Disney, sure. Yeah, but no, like hocus, but like I remember watching it for the first time like as an adult.

SPEAKER_03 52:13

I was like, oh my god, this is dark as fuck. Yeah, like this is like, isn't that so funny how like you will literally have seen a movie a hundred fucking times when you were a kid growing up? Like Forrest Gum, Mrs. Doubtfire, yeah, Pirates of the Caribbean, you know, Hook, Elf, like whatever. And then you I love Hook. Yeah, it's so good. So good. But you you watch it when you're an adult and you're like This is not how I remember it.

unknown 52:49

What?

SPEAKER_03 52:50

First of all, they seem like a million times shorter. Yeah. Like you're like, I feel like this movie was four hours long, and it's not. But um, like Matilda, I swear to god, I thought that movie was like four hours long.

SPEAKER_01 53:05

I could see that.

SPEAKER_03 53:06

But anyway, um, and everything is always darker.

unknown 53:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:13

Because and obviously, you know, obviously it's because we understand and grasp more than than the child's mind can. Yeah. But it's just still love the movies.

SPEAKER_01 53:26

Oh yeah. No, I'll watch it every time. Every year.

SPEAKER_03 53:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:29

Um, but it's just it's just so funny how like the perspective. It's like Shrek. Shrek can actually be for adults. Like the first couple movies of Shrek, you're kind of like that was an adult show.

SPEAKER_00 53:54

We're so tired. I'm so tired.

SPEAKER_01 54:01

Okay, so um okay, so predict. Prediction. Predict. So with the mystery of Virginia Somerset. What are your theories on where she went? Where did she go?

SPEAKER_03 54:24

I think she fucking went, she died. I think she was murdered. I feel like I don't want Or some kind of like Stranger Things underworld.

SPEAKER_01 54:35

Yeah, I think it has something to do with the spirits that she can supposedly speak to.

SPEAKER_03 54:40

Maybe Yeah, maybe she went on the other side of the veil.

SPEAKER_01 54:45

Because if she's if she's in New England, there's some ghosts around there. Oh, right? Yeah. And like with what she said, like about how she felt like somebody was watching her.

SPEAKER_03 54:56

Somebody was, and somebody took her home with them.

SPEAKER_01 54:58

Yeah, either either it's not ghostly at all, and it's just really sad, and she just happened to be like murdered or taken. Or I think it has something to do with like the spirit, so she's better. So I'm I'm kind of curious to see because I don't think she would let anybody get close enough to her to disturb her. Yeah. No, and she's like well known, well liked.

SPEAKER_03 55:24

Like there's no way like she's a smart girl, she's not fucking stupid.

SPEAKER_01 55:28

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:29

If there's anything Virginia is, it is not dumb. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:33

So I'm kind of I'm kind of curious to see how that's gonna go.

SPEAKER_03 55:36

Something happened. She's some maybe she comes back. Bro, have you seen have you guys seen Monarch?

SPEAKER_01 55:48

The uh King Kong thing? Oh yeah, yeah. Have you? Well, the show? Yeah, yes. I think we started watching that like a couple weeks ago.

SPEAKER_03 56:01

Bro, we just had a little bit of it. Okay, so if you haven't seen Monarch, first of all, invest some of your time in the show. It's a really good show. And I don't want to give too much away of that because I'm not here for spoilers for for Monarch. However, I just will say there's a concept of essentially like, I don't know if it's like falling through dimension. I don't know exactly, right? Like a black hole opens up. It's not a black hole, but follow me here, okay? Like, just give me a minute, hang with me. A black hole opens up, it's triggered. You find a way to trigger it, it opens up, it leads to another time, another space, right? Yeah, where these beings exist. However, they can come and go, right? So you want to make sure that portal is not open all the time, yeah. Yeah, yeah, right? When you go to that area as a human, you feel like you're there for a month, and you've actually been there compared to Earth, human humanity here, right? 30 years.

SPEAKER_01 57:38

It's like interstellar, where it's like when they're down on that one planet for like 30 minutes, but then it was like yes.

SPEAKER_03 57:47

However, you don't have to travel through space and time to get to that black hole. Okay, it's on Earth, and it's opened up on Earth. And so it's super good, but I'm just thinking, like, and I'm not even saying like she, I'm not saying this at all. It just reminds me the vibe I get right now, at this point in the book, is like the veil is thin, she's gone somewhere she can't get back from. She feels like she's been there not that long, but to everybody else, she has been there for fucking ever. She's presumed dead, but she's coming back to speak to us soon. Yeah. I don't know. We'll just we'll see.

SPEAKER_01 58:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:43

That or it's tragic and she was murdered.

SPEAKER_01 58:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:46

You know? Yeah. But I'm like, if I had to guess something else, I just feel like we're in for a little bit of a surprise. A return of sorts.

SPEAKER_01 59:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:02

That's just my theory. Because I feel like it would be fun.

SPEAKER_01 59:05

I agree. Like, I feel like I feel like see, I can't really talk about it. I can't talk about it too much because part two will give you more insight on that.

SPEAKER_03 59:14

Yeah, but okay.

SPEAKER_01 59:16

So I'm just saying, like, I feel like it has some I just think it has something to do with the spirits that she can talk to.

SPEAKER_03 59:25

She's in a spirit land.

SPEAKER_01 59:28

Yeah, or like a spirit is inside of her and it just like causes her to die. I don't know if it causes her to die or if it just helps her to leave. I don't know. That's what I'm saying. It's like yeah, still still have no idea where she went.

SPEAKER_03 59:43

If you haven't guessed by now, Lauren's ahead in the reading by like 40 pages.

SPEAKER_01 59:48

But even like where I'm at, like, I still don't know where she could have gone.

SPEAKER_03 59:52

Really?

SPEAKER_01 59:53

Yeah, I do still think that like I think that spirits came and because she's so sensitive to them.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:00

Yeah, she's very in tune.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:03

You've seen Hollywood medium, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:07

Yeah. Yeah. I was kind of thinking, like, uh The Lovely Bones. Have you seen that movie?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:13

Oh my god, ruined my whole entire fucking life.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:17

I can't. I I'm just gonna talk about this one part where I'm gonna start crying. Oh my god. But it's like when that one girl who could see her, you know, Susie, like the one who could see Susie Salmon, the girl with a black hair, how she was able to be taken over by Susie so she could say goodbye to the boy that she could.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:37

I can't. I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:39

Yeah, that's kind of what I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:42

Oh my god, hold on. I can't. Yeah. With all this fucking Epstein shit that's going on.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:54

That's like a good horror movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:56

Yeah, it is like literally.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:58

It's like a legit horror movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:03

If you know some sick fuck out there has some fucking secret trapdoor in the middle of fucking nowhere, just there you go.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:13

That uh book that is devastating. Yeah. The book is yeah, so much worse than the movie. Yeah. Because like in the book, like, just go on a like a brief tangent, like they found her elbow and the book. But in the movie they're like, Isn't that so funny?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:32

Because nothing makes up your elbow that would last.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:34

Yeah, but it was just like it wasn't it wasn't like it was too.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:38

Because you need two bones. It was a tendon.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:43

Yeah, so it was just like they found like this part because he he chopped her up and put her in the safe. So it was like that like he just like had cut at weird angles, and so like this part was like what was left. I started listening to it on audiobook and I was like, I can't do this. I can't fucking do this. No, I can't do it. I can't bring it up.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:08

No, you cannot listen to it.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:10

Wade has forbade me from watching that movie because the last Have you seen it? Yeah, I I made yeah, I watched it. I've seen that movie like lots of times.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:19

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:20

I watched it when I need like a really good cry. And girl. I showed it to him, like I think like the day after we got married. I showed it to him.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:30

Was that his first time?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:31

Yeah, it was his first time watching it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:33

And he was like asked for a divorce immediately.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:35

He was like, never again.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:37

He's like, never again. He's like, I don't want nothing to do with that movie. He's like, you're not to watch it when I'm around because he was like, I can't do this. He's like, it's just he's like, it's it's terrible, it's sad. It's the one role where Stanley Tucci like legitimately terrified me. Yeah. And he was like a literal zombie in another movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:57

So I'm like, this one, I would have much rather had Patient Zero Stanley Tucci than the lonely or the lovely bones, Stanley Tucci. Because what the fuck? How did he play that so well?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:09

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:10

And then he goes and plays in like burlesque, and he's just a delight in that one. I'm like, how do you do it? Yeah. Or like Easy A, like that lovable father. Like, what how do you do it? How do you do it? So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:28

Professional. That movie is so fucked up. I can't, I can't even, like, I'm just I'm just stuck there with her right now. There's no, I'm there.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:42

So sad.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:44

Okay, well, and people are not demonic though.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:48

Yeah, they are.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:51

People are weird. I chuckle because I don't know what else to do.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:57

No, that's me at funerals. I'm like, oh, you're dead. Like, not funny, but I'm laughing. It's it's a coping mechanism. You're normal, don't worry. It's nothing to be ashamed of. So, yeah, but okay, so crystal ball, the research connection. So, how do we think Minerva's 90s thesis is going to summon the past? Am I onto something and I haven't even got it?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:26

I think you already, yeah. I think it think you already like answered that question because I'm just like a bug.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:32

Oh my god, you can't-I don't know, dude. My intuition, I swear to god.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:36

Yeah, I I kind of I I agree with you for the most part. Like, I do think that she's definitely gonna uncover something and whether that's for sure, for sure. Like, I think it has a little bit to do with yours, but again, I also think it has to do with like the spirit too. Like, I feel like Virginia's spirit is gonna come forward to Minerva in some way and like present herself to Minerva and be like, and this is not even based off of what I read ahead, I have no idea. But my thing is is like she was so in tune with spirits, so why wouldn't she as a spirit be in tune with correct the humans? And especially if Minerva's like trying to get to the bottom of things, too.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:18

Especially if she feels like that's her purpose to connect.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:24

Yeah, because there there was like a situation where Minerva was she felt like she was being watched as well when she was walking through the woods, and then somebody had like graffiti on her door, but it was like this weird oily black smud sling on her door.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:41

Yeah. So she's She didn't know this they didn't find the sub yeah essentially find out what the substance was made out, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:49

Yeah, so they have no idea what it was or why.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:51

Like grotesquery.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:54

Do you remember what I'm talking about there?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:58

Grotescu is

SPEAKER_03 1:06:01

Bro, that show just finished it. So good. So freaking good. Dang, I'm like offering you guys a bunch tonight. Yeah. Yeah. So. Anywho, all right. So scale of one to ten. How much do we fear for these characters right now?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:27

Hmm. I think I I'm like I'm at like a seven because like I'm not really too nervous for Minerva quite yet. Alba?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:36

I'm like a four.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:37

Alba, I'm just a little bit nervous. Like, I'm nervous for Alba in the sense.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:42

That's nervous for her because you know she lives to be. And I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:47

But I also am curious to know, like. Okay, maybe I'm more nervous for Valentine, just because he's such a sweet pee. I don't want anything bad to happen to him.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:58

Um, Beatrice. Tadio.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:01

Or Thadia. Wait. How do we Tadeo?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:04

Tadeo. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:06

Yeah. I'm worried for him. Nine out of ten.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:09

Oh yeah. I don't think he comes back from this at all. No.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:12

Not at all. Everyone else? Less than five out of ten.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:20

Like there's definitely some worry, but what kind of witchcraft are we getting into?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:28

Mm-hmm. Yeah, the witchcraft in this is very interesting. Yeah. I didn't think it was gonna be like along these lines of witchcraft, but I'm not mad about it. No. I like it.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:38

Yeah. I like it a lot.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:39

It's it's something that you can follow. It's something that like if you have stories, like real life stories, I feel like it would be coming from a perspective of a real life story.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:56

Not which is like hocus pocus, like flying around on brooms.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:03

It is 4 a.m. you guys. Yeah. So we're gonna be wrapping up. We are not high. We are not. I'm a little bit buzzed. I'm just exhausted. Because I was drinking wine all night long while we're awaiting while we were making epoxy coasters to sell in our Etsy shop. Which, by the way, check out our merch. But that's that's literally all the energy I have for that. I am not gonna be spilling to you guys. Yeah. But we're gonna get ready to sign off. Um, I think we've talked long enough. It's been a great first part. I'm super excited to see how good where the rest of the book goes, and we will see you guys in part two.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:49

So yeah, so um until then, keep your tea warm and your doors locked. And remember, some stories are meant to haunt you.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:04

Bye. Good night. Good fucking night.