The Shadows are Closing In 🕯️ The Bewitching Part 3| New Theories & Haunted Escalation: A Collective Deep Dive

"Some stories are meant to haunt you..." 🕯️🌙

Welcome back to another midnight horror discussion with the Cozy Midnight Collective. Today, we are turning up the intensity as we dive into Part 3 of The Bewitching by Silvia Moreno-Garcia.

In this creepy podcast episode, the shadows are finally starting to speak. We explore the dangerous intersection of Mexican folklore and New England witch lore, dissecting the ancient charms used to ward off evil. As Alba, Minerva, and Beatrice face escalating threats, we’re asking the hard questions: Is it a haunting, or is it something much more human?

In this episode, we deep dive into:

• Alba’s Descent | The increasing danger of her interactions with the witches.
• The Disappearance of Thomas | Minerva’s investigation into a missing student and the strange occurrences following her.
• Skepticism vs. Spirits | Beatrice’s struggle to support Ginny while maintaining a "realistic" perspective on being followed.
• Folklore & Protection |  A look at the spooky tales and historical witchcraft influences woven into the story.

Chapter 1: Welcome Back- 00:00:17:18

Chapter 2: The Breakdown- 00:01:10:13

• Minerva- (00:30:52:07)
• Beatrice/Betty- (00:48:48:11)
• Alba- (00:01:23:03)

Chapter 3: Folklore & Charms- 01:00:58:27

Chapter 4: The Cinema Society- 01:14:58:03

Chapter 5: Closing Remarks- 01:21:50:14

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:29

Welcome back to the collective. You're listening to Cozy Midnight Collective. I'm Lauren.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

And I'm Morgan. Today we're losing our minds a little bit. Just a little bit. Because we just finished up part three of The Bewitching by Sylvia Moreno Garcia.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

Yeah. If you thought the first two parts were just setting the mood, part three just threw us into the deep end. The shadows are getting longer, the stakes are getting higher, and honestly, we're officially spooked. So grab your coffee, lock your doors, and let's get into it.

SPEAKER_02 1:07

Let's go.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Where do you want to start? Well, honestly, let's just get Alba out of the way because some shit happened in her storyline that I'm really upset about. So I guess, like kind of picking up where we left off, Alba and Valentine, you know, we're still looking for we're still trying to find out what happened to her brother Tadeo. Her uncle Arturo is still a creep. Still weird, not taking it seriously. Neither is her mother. I mean they're taking it seriously, but not in a sense of not Alba is. Yeah, not Alba's sense of. Yeah, because Alba is 100% convinced that a witch did something to her brother. And she doesn't understand why or who or how or how. All she knows is that something weird is going on as far as the farm goes, like the chickens have stopped laying eggs. Horses are dying. Horses are dying. Yeah, goats are dying. And so her and Valentine are the only ones who genuinely feel like something paranormal or witchcraft, you know, something like that is going on. And so um sinister. Yeah, so they they went to Los Pinos. I'm just gonna call I'm just gonna say Los Pinos if I get it wrong. Sorry about it. It's just what I that's just how I read it. There is no accent over the N, but it's just how I'm like reading it. So Los Pinos. So that's where you know most of the witches live. And you know, a lot of these witches aren't all like welcoming. They're not all welcoming, but they're also not all bad either. Well, yeah. And so a lot of them, you know, a lot of the farmers in the area that they all believe in the witchcraft and stuff like that. So like her dad, Alba's dad, he was a believer in the witch, like, you know, like at least like with like charms and rituals to like bless their land for the crops and everything. So, you know, he would do that. You know, he believed in the signs, and so Alba kind of believed in the same thing. And we kind of discussed earlier that Alba has what they call portents, where it's like she kind of gets visions of what's to come. For see, yeah. So whether it's like a dream or whatever, um just a gut feeling. Yeah, or just a gut feeling, she just kind of has like a little bit of like a magical ability, whether she and she hasn't really quite called it like a magical ability, like she doesn't really see it that way. She just sees it as like she just has visions sometimes.

SPEAKER_02 3:58

I don't even know if it's magic. I just I just think it's like yeah, people that like how we have mediums and psychics and stuff like that. Like it's just very, I don't know. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:12

So I mean, her and um Valentine, like I said, they take they're taking it seriously on this end. Um, Arturo is still kind of like trying to talk his sister, Alba's mother, into selling he just wants the easy route, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:28

Let's wrap it up, yeah. Let's get the kids out of here.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

Let's get to the city, like your life is and and you know, Alba is like starting to lose the luster that kind of came with her uncle. Like, she, you know, in the beginning of the story, she loved her uncle, she wants to impress him, she wants to see him grown up, and it seems like she's kind of got like a girly, like a little girl's crush on her uncle, which it's weird, you know, but like you also have to think about like the times too, I guess. Like, you know, maybe she wasn't exposed to that many men.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

No, she was living in a farm in the middle of nowhere, and she's a child.

SPEAKER_01 5:07

And so, like, I think she saw Arturo as like kind of like her gateway to a life that wasn't just being a farmer's wife and all that. So it's it's weird to, you know, it's okay to acknowledge it's it's a weird crush.

SPEAKER_02 5:22

I don't think it's like I don't think it would go incest in any kind of way unless it was on Arturo's end. Like he seems like very predatory. But for her, like, I don't think there's anything wrong. Okay, when I was a kid, I used to have a crush on my cousin. You don't understand, like when you're young, I mean, okay, she's 19, it's not that young, but like I'm thinking of more of like a child like Kennedy's age, right? Like six, seven, eight. You don't like really the lines aren't like well defined. Yeah, you don't understand. And it's just and even how I view her like romance towards Arturo is he's just everything that's not available to her. Yeah, like the clothes, the lifestyle, the access, yeah, the access to theater and all these cool things that she reads about, and she just wants so badly to be submerged in it. That's her like link to that world. Yeah. So I don't even think it's him.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:27

You know.

SPEAKER_01 6:28

Yeah, well, so you know, she's kind of getting more and more frustrated with him, especially for not understanding her beliefs, especially as far as like what happened with Tadeo. She doesn't like that he's yeah, he she doesn't like that he's kind of talking crap about like her lifestyle, like how the family lives and like her Valentine and her friends, and like he literally, doesn't he literally he calls Valentine an idiot? Yeah, yeah. He's an idiot, you need to stay away from him because he keeps bringing all that witchcraft nonsense into you. Yeah. And yeah, so he And I'm like why are you so against Why so angry? Yeah, yeah, because he gets like he gets angry, and then there are certain moments where like whenever she's alone with Arturo, it seems like even she's kind of like, is he trying to kiss me, you know? But she's kind of like she's not a hundred percent against it, but she's kind of like, What's happening? Like, what's gonna happen? Yeah, and then he always finds like a way to like he'll either kind of move away or she kind of moves away. And at this point, the supernatural stuff is getting like is amping up, like it's getting scarier. Like, she she talks about how she saw like a green light, and it was like outside of her window, and she felt like it was coming into the room, and so she goes to get her mom, and her mom is like, Oh my god, there's nothing here. You need to relax. Yeah, she's like, You need to relax. This is getting old. I need your help. I cannot do this on my own anymore. Yeah, and Alba kind of gets like a coming to reality moment where she's like, Oh, my mother, like, I didn't realize that my mom was so sad because like her mom was like she went to break down and then she said she got like real stoic and she was just yeah, she moved for I would just break down.

SPEAKER_02 8:12

Yeah, so I mean your kids see you break down.

SPEAKER_01 8:15

Alba's mom, you know, you kind of got like a little bit of a flash of like how she's actually doing with all of this, and it's not good and not well, it's and it's sad because she's like she's having to be strong for her kids and you know, for her farm and the land. Yeah, so so yeah, so there comes a point where Alba has that situation happen and she's kind of like she's trying so hard to just go through life like while being safe. And so there is a point where like she goes to bed and she feels like she's dreaming, she's having a dream, and in the dream, something comes into the room, and she's she's starting to have like little feelings for Valentine now at this point. She's kind of coming around to like wanting to be with him, she's kind of starting to imagine like a little bit of a life with him at this point, and so she's having this dream, and it's a little bit of a spicy dream. Like she's kind of getting like she's getting kissed, she's like being touched, and like she's like really like enjoying it because you know she's like she's growing up and she's like kind of excited about having like these like things happening, and she's like enjoying it, she's having a good time, and then all of a sudden it starts to hurt, like something bites, like she said it feels like something bit her over her breast. So she's like she's at this point, she's not having this is not fun anymore. Yeah, she's trying to get off, but there's like a force that's like holding her down, and she she wakes up, it's the next morning, and she was like, Whoa, that was a crazy dream, and she kind of like tries to laugh it off because she's like, Oh my gosh, that was an insane dream, and she goes to the mirror and then she sees like a spot of red in her nightgown, and then she like looks up and there's a like a mark over her breast. And so I don't know if you all will remember, but in part two, her and Valentine had gone to speak with the women. Yeah, and she had told her, Jovita had told her, okay, well, it hasn't bitten from you, it hasn't drink from you, so you're good, right? Yeah, as long as it doesn't bite or drink from you, you'll be okay. If it does, if it does, it'll never let you. Yeah, she's like pretty much like you're fucked. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_02 10:35

And so there's a which is like, why would it just like have a light bite? What why? Yeah, why not just like consume?

SPEAKER_01 10:44

Mm-hmm. So she's like at this point, she's freaking out, right? And like her mom is like noticing, like, okay, you're not like you look horrible. Yeah. And she's like, I'm gonna go visit the Molina girls, but she's really gonna go see Valentine. And she runs to Valentine, she's like, we need to go back.

SPEAKER_02 11:00

Well, wasn't that when Archiro forced himself to go with her at that time?

SPEAKER_01 11:04

No, that's the second time.

SPEAKER_02 11:06

So that's after Okay, I'm yeah, I'm thinking that was the second time. Okay, keep going. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 11:12

Yeah. So she goes to Valentine. Yeah. And Valentine like sees that she's like, he's like, oh shit, he's like, okay, let's go. Like, let's go talk to the witch again. So she goes to the witch and she's like, woman. Yeah, help. This isn't working. The the bird with the pins and needles, it's not working. Yeah. Something like he it bit me, it fed from me.

SPEAKER_02 11:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:33

And the witch is kind of like, Oh, you're you're there's really nothing you can do. You know, she's like, it won't be killing it. And then she said, But there's so well, Alba kind of comes to that strong herself. Yeah. Alba and Valentine are like, we're killing this thing. And the witch is like, Good luck.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

You know, yeah, the witch was basically like even too powerful.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

Even she doesn't know how to kill it because nobody has been able to kill something like this before. And so she's like, there's so much lore around it that I don't even know how this works. Like, I don't know how to fix this for you. And so they kind of like Valentine and Alba kind of go off and they kind of remember to themselves some stories that it was told around like, you know, campfires from their grandparents, whatever. And essentially, yeah, so essentially they're gonna kill an animal, like a rabbit or a chicken or whatever, they're gonna skin it, and they're gonna lure in the creature, and then they have a piece of rope, and you have to tie 12 knots into the rope.

SPEAKER_02 12:31

While constantly while saying like these big words.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

Yeah, I bind you to the earth, I bind you to air, I bind you to water. But forget the rest. Once they start tying the knots, you cannot stop talking. And they stop talking or tying the knots. Yeah, or tying the knots, yeah. You have to finish. And so there is a point where they kind of like they do discuss, like, okay, like you know, it's gonna try to trick you. It's gonna tell you, it's gonna try to make you not finish the charm or the spell or whatever. Yeah, and so Valentine says, I'm gonna take my bullets to the priest in town, yeah, and I'm gonna have him bless them, and that should work. Like that should like not only will binding it help, but like killing it with blessed bullets, like that's that ought to do the trick. And so they kind of say their goodbyes, they share another kiss, and at one point, like she's loving it, she's happy. She's like happy that he's here and he's trying to protect her and he's taking it seriously, and he kind of says, like, oh, you know, I suppose I should probably start courting you properly, and she's like, Yeah, I guess you should, you know. So she's she's kind of giving him the green light, and he's like, Okay, and so I'll go. She goes home. She has like, you know, kind of like another restless night where she just can't really sleep, and like nothing really specific happens. But oh, she wakes up and she's like, her hands are red. Oh, yeah. Like to her in her eyes, her hands are red. She's like, I feel tremendous sorrow and sadness. My hands are red, like blood red. She has no idea why. And so she's kind of going through like the port. Yeah, it's another portant, and she's like, something is not right. Something, something's not right. I don't understand what's happening. And so she kind of is able to talk her family into letting her go see Valentine. At this at this point, she's like, something, something, Valentine. I need to go check on him. Yeah, and Arturo is like, Let me come with you. Yes. And Alba's kind of like, no, I can go by myself. Like, I'm fine. Like, you don't even like riding horses. You hate riding horses. She's like, I don't want to take the carriage, it's too slow. She's like, I want to leave now. And he's like, Oh, just hold on. And so she kind of makes a comment about how he'll want to probably take a bath and he'll want to get presentable. And she's like, I don't have time for this. Yeah. Like, let's just go. Yeah. And so luckily he he like goes with her, but it still takes too long. Right. And he's telling her, like, everything's fine. And she's like, I just, I just really want to talk to Valentine, right? Yeah. And he's kind of like just like dragging his feet and he's just being so annoying. And at this point, like when I'm reading it, yeah, my heart is like, Yeah, pounding.

SPEAKER_02 15:00

What's going on?

SPEAKER_01 15:01

And she gets to Valentine's ranch and knocks on the door. And the mom. Mom opens the door, Valentine's mom opens the door, and she's like sad. And she's like, Where's Valentine?

SPEAKER_02 15:14

Where's Valentine's?

SPEAKER_01 15:15

Yeah. And she says he died half an hour ago. Yeah. It was an animal attack.

SPEAKER_02 15:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:23

And like I read that.

SPEAKER_02 15:24

I was like, as soon as I read that, I thought of you, and I was like, she's gonna be so I audibly said, no, not Valentine.

SPEAKER_01 15:33

Like I was so sad because that was like, I think I said that in part one or part two. I was like, yeah, they better not touch a head or a hair on Valentine's head. I know he's such a sweetheart, he's so sweet, he's so cute. Like, and he was known as like the handsome, like he just and he loved Alba. Yeah, you know he loved her. He was ride or die, and he died.

SPEAKER_04 15:59

I know I know so Minerva is not a descendant.

SPEAKER_01 16:03

Yeah. Um so yeah, so Alba goes to the funeral, and she she kind of can't, like, it's a clothes casket, and she's like, she can't be in the church. No, she has to leave. So she goes outside, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:20

And these she's just sitting there and she's trying to like compose herself. She's so sad. But she overhears two other guys. I don't know if they're like other farmers or what it is, but they're just describing the scene of Valentine. Yeah. Yeah. They were like, he was just ripped open. And she's like, what kind of animal could have done that? Like, I've lived here my whole life. I know the wildlife. What the fuck was that? And so she's immediately she's like, the same thing that got Tadeo got Valentine. And then she's also at the on the same token, she's like, what am I gonna do? Like, I I have to move forward with my plan. Like, I have there's it it's gonna keep happening. People are gonna keep dying. I don't want my little siblings to be hurt. I don't want my mother to be hurt, like I've got a man up, essentially.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

Yeah. Well, and there there was a part too where she was able to fully see what happened to him, like in Oh, and like a a vision. A vision, yeah. And it is rough. Like he she says, like she kind of describes it as like he was riding along the road and something kind of pops out like a shadow. And yeah, like a shadow pops out, and like he he gets ripped off the horse. Yeah, ripped off the horse. It ripped his arm off, and then it started like eating his belly and like eating.

SPEAKER_02 18:05

Well, no, he was trying to fight it, and so then it started like going to town on his intestines.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

Yeah, and then like she said that like his last thoughts, like he looked up and thought of Alba and thought of Alba. Yeah. So yeah, Alba at this point, she's like kind of pissed too. She's like pissed, she's like, I'm scared and I'm pissed, I'm done. And so she decides to go through with what they were gonna do, which was you know the the ritual thing. So she gets a rabbit, skins it, like kills it, skins it. And Alba's always been like squeamish when it comes to like killing the chickens or anything like that. But at this point, she's like, she's like, fuck it, like I need to I need to kill this. She knows how to do it. She's just she just hates doing it. And so she kind of goes out at night, goes to this tree, which had kind of like some significance to her and her brother and Valentine when they were kids. They just they played a lot and it is by the river. And I'm like envisioning this in my head. Yeah, yeah. I actually wrote down a couple things. So she lures, she's she's trying to lure the thing with the with the scent of the blood, and she's waiting for a while, nothing's really happening. And then this is what I wrote from the book. So, quote, then she saw it, slipping into the edge of the clearing. It was as if a ripple sliced through the blackness of the night, as if someone had thrown a pebble into the dark, and the dark had awoken. Forward slid a shadow, and the shadow was a thing that had the body and the head of an enormous dog, with a long snout and pointed ears. It had a line of feathers running down its bony spine, talons like those of an owl, slick skin of an eel, neither mammal nor bird, moved and glided like a snake, and eyes were glowing green and empty.

SPEAKER_02 20:02

If that's not like what shit, like what nightmares are made of. Yeah. And I'm just trying to envision all those pieces and like coming together.

SPEAKER_03 20:13

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 20:14

Ugh.

SPEAKER_01 20:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:16

Creepy.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

And so she starts the process of tying the knots, and the thing speaks to her, and it says, Well, yeah, it at first it wasn't, it was eating the rabbit. It was eating the rabbit, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:29

And then she was, and it was like not even paying attention to her. So she had to get louder. And then if she said it stood up on two feet like it was a human. And then it was like Alba in her brother's voice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

And she's Deo's voice. She's like, no, it's trying to trick me, but it keeps telling her, like, Alba, stop. Alba, you have to stop. And she's like, still, she's keeping going, but she's like kind of thrown off because she's like, it sounds just like my brother. And she's still going, and she's like, I have to keep going, I have to finish. And as she's like doing like the 12th knot, it lunges. It lunges at her. And she, what was it? She stabbed it, right? I believe. I think she stabbed it because she had an axe or something. Like because she wasn't able to use a gun. She had an axe. Oh, wait, no, she did have a gun. She had the gun. She had a gun, but she didn't have the best bullets.

SPEAKER_02 21:25

Or it got the gun got knocked out of her hand. Um, and it was pinning her down. And she ended up something happened where she ended up being able to like kind of push it a little bit and grab the gun and boom, shot it.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

Yeah, she just didn't know if it was still gonna work because she didn't have less bullets because that's what Valentine was doing was doing.

SPEAKER_02 21:49

Yeah, but I don't know, I can't recall what like item it was at first that she hit it with.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

Well, essentially the thing kind of uh she Shot it and it's like started like it's like starting to like dissolve. Yeah, it's weird. And as it's dissolving, it reveals her brother. So her brother.

SPEAKER_02 22:10

It was Tadeo.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

It was Tadeo.

SPEAKER_02 22:12

So Tadeo was because they remember they never found his body.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:16

He's just been missing all this time. And the witch from the first go-round at Los Pinos, um Jovita, she said that he was just bones. And so we're just thinking, like, oh, okay, like he was attacked, he was eaten, he's like somewhere out there in like who knows where in Mexico in the desert, and he's just skin and bones, like he's already been picked at, and he's there's nothing left of him.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

And so he, and then that's why I'm like, oh, he's the witch. And then I'm like, oh no, the witch bewitched him and turned him into this.

SPEAKER_01 22:49

Like this creature. Yes. And then this creature is the witch. Yeah. And I thought too that this creature also killed Valentine as well.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 23:01

That was the vision that she saw was through the creature, aka Tadeo's eyes. Eyes. Yes. As it's killing Valentine. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:13

And what a what an image.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

It basically. So there's like nothing is left. It pretty much just like dissolves. Yeah. And just goes away. So there's literally no trace left aside from like this big patch of like black blob. Under the body. Bloby. Like it just looks dead.

SPEAKER_02 23:33

Yeah. Or almost like you know, like a stain that like an an oil stain would leave. But everything else is gone. It's just like that's where it happened, but there's no remnants aside from this like stain. This black sludge.

SPEAKER_01 23:53

Yeah, so Alba at this point, that's kind of where her part ended. Um, so now at this point, she still has a witch to deal with.

SPEAKER_02 24:01

Yeah. Yeah. Which I, if I was her, and I'd be like, oh my god, that's not it.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

Not that.

SPEAKER_02 24:08

How many more of these fucking things is this witch gonna make?

SPEAKER_01 24:11

Yeah. I'd be more just like depressed that like I ended up killing my brother anyways.

SPEAKER_02 24:16

Well, I'm like, I'm sure, but it's not her brother anymore. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because he he was gonna kill her and eat her.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

I don't think he was I don't think he wanted to.

SPEAKER_02 24:32

I mean, he might have been fighting it, but it was gonna happen.

SPEAKER_01 24:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

You think he No. I mean, look what he did to Valentine.

SPEAKER_01 24:39

Well, it said Alba stop. Like if he's under the control of a witch.

SPEAKER_02 24:43

Yeah, you know, but he still lunged at her and was trying to bite her head off. Yeah. I don't think he had any control at all. So it was gonna happen.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Well, I mean, uh like the only reason why I feel like he had some sort of control is just because he kept telling her, like, Alba, you have to stop.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

So you don't think that he would have hurt her?

SPEAKER_01 25:03

I think he started hurting her because she was hurting him, right? Like that he was still an animal, right? But I think some part of him was like trying to tell her, it is me, you know? Like, like it just was too late at that point. She just wasn't here.

SPEAKER_02 25:17

So why did he kill Valentine?

SPEAKER_01 25:20

In that situation, I don't think he had full control of himself. Like I said, I think that the witch is controlling him and is using him as almost like a thing that's like doing whatever the witch is big. Like a puppeteer. Yeah, like a puppet type situation. So that's kind of my thought process with it. Um so like I said, I think that he was just kind of coming to because like he she was talking to it, like she's talking to him. It wasn't until she started screaming and like really making her intent known that I think that's when he started to kind of like, oh whoa, you're hurting me. Like, stop. And then like she kept going, and then he's like, Okay, you need to stop. And it's like going after her. And then I do think he probably the the spell was hurting. Yeah, it was hurting him. So yeah, so it's just like that's just my thought process. I don't know if that's what she was going for, but that's just how I took it, where it's like she's trying to it's an interesting interpretation.

SPEAKER_02 26:20

I I feel like I need to finish the book before I can like draw any more conclusions. But where I am now, which is almost done with the book, I have about 40 pages left, I feel like yes, he was there, but to what capacity? Like, I don't think I don't know. I I yeah, I feel like like it's like we're you know, when you're watching a movie about werewolves and like they change at a full moon and at midnight, and then they have no control and they're just like out hunting and feeding. Like, I feel like it was that kind of a thing, like yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

Yeah, I mean, like if you think about um this is where like the horror movie nerd enemy comes out at the end of like the newest, not like the like the 2024 or 5 whatever remake of the wolf man, but like the one that was made in like 2012.

SPEAKER_02 27:31

Um I don't know if I saw that one.

SPEAKER_01 27:33

It's good. It's apparently it's not everybody's favorite remake, but like the original is like the old black and white version. Yeah. Um, but it's kind of along the same lines with like the gypsies and that type of stuff. And so he does like he does lose himself, right? Where he's like killing and and doing all this other shit. But then there's a point where like his lady kind of is like talking to him and like he's looking like he wants to kill her. Like the animal side is like eat, kill. But then him, he's like, I can't, that's my lady. Like, you know, I love her. And he like it gives him pause, so like he doesn't like just immediately just start slashing and shit like that. Like he's done with everybody else, but there's a point where he like stops and then he's like kind of looking at her. Does he? Yeah, he attacks her. No, he does he goes to like attack her, but then she's like talking to him. And with all the other victims he's had, he's just ripped them apart. Like everybody else has pled. Is he even eating them? He's eating some of them, yeah. But he's like just he's mainly like he's like scratching and like guts are coming out and stuff like that. And even with like an American werewolf in London, the same thing. Um, towards the end of the movie, the lady that he loves is like talking to him, you know, and she kind of like chills out. I mean, it doesn't work out for either of the wolves, they both end up getting shot or killed, but yeah, um, but they stop for a second.

SPEAKER_02 28:57

Like yeah, the well, and the remake and the one that I saw. Um, yeah, I mean you gotta protect the children.

SPEAKER_01 29:03

Yeah, so yeah, they they stop for a second, like when they realize like that that's like who they love, and it's also kind of like Marvel, like the Hulk, like the Hulk was chill with like Black Widow, like she knew how to talk to him, yeah. She knew how to put that part at ease. So it's just like that was just like my thing.

SPEAKER_02 29:21

I think in real life though, that's not how it would work, like in books and movies.

SPEAKER_01 29:26

Well, I mean, sure, yeah. I mean, this situation, like Alba and Tadeo were like best friends, you know, it was those two and they were balanced apart. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, that was just like my thought process with that, but we will find out in part four. You will so rest in peace to Valentine. I know, rest in peace, Valentine. Are you in there? I'm actually so sad about that. Like I know that was like I was like, I didn't like I kind of thought that it might happen, but I was like, no, no, they're not gonna do that. Like we might get close, you know, but come on, Sylvia.

SPEAKER_02 30:09

Yeah, I was like, come on, give them their like they have this big moment together where they conquer and then they get the fuck out of that farmland lifestyle and go.

SPEAKER_01 30:22

No, I literally was like, as soon as he said, as soon as he said, like, I should probably start courting you properly, I was like, there he goes. Damn it. But I was but I was still like I was holding on to hoax. I was like, maybe just maybe. But yeah, as soon as he said, like, I should probably start quoting you properly, I'm like, fuck, no, don't do it, please. So yeah. Alba's story got fucked up.

SPEAKER_02 30:50

So we'll keep you updated. Yeah, part four. Yeah, we want to go into you wanna move it along into Minerva now, or is there anything you want to read about in your notes? No. For Alba? Nope. Alba, it's done. I think I already kind of, yeah, I I said what I needed to say without reading it. Minerva, the disappearance of Thomas and the strange occurrences. Let's talk about that. Um, so from part two, I keep thinking this is part two, it's part three. Um, so from part two, Thomas was um another kid that goes to the same college who lives like on the campus dorms. He was staying with Conrad. They loathed each other. He disappears. They're trying to sort out where his belongings need to go for someone to be able to come back and get it. Um essentially, Minerva finds out within this part three, she contacts the family and they're not worried at all about Thomas's disappearance. And she's like, wait, what? Come again? And then there's a little bit of a backstory that they end up telling her that he's essentially he's done this before. Like he's literally just like left college. Yeah. Um, it was too much pressure, whatever. Dipped out, moved in with like a random girl, and was essentially just like starting a new life.

SPEAKER_03 32:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:34

And and then I don't know, I don't recall what they said, like how he came to his senses, but it was with his sister's help, right?

SPEAKER_01 32:44

Yeah, she she had said something like she had given him money and like was trying to like he wanted to kind of start taking school seriously pretty much again. So he kind of went back to school. Yeah, he was ready to like finish it. Yeah, and then yeah, and then that didn't happen here in this situation.

SPEAKER_02 33:03

So but there's so much going on with Thomas because so there's that going on, and and she's like, Okay, well, if they're not worried, should I does is there a connection? But she has this like tug, this internal tug that like something's not right with the whole Thomas thing. Um, but she kind of puts that back, okay. There's so much going on. Let's like we we notated that, called the family, they're not worried. If they're not worried, I mean, what can we do? He's done this before. Is he there? Is he there, like off in the world somewhere, or has something happened to him? Yeah, um, and then she finds out, like, as we're reading about Minerva and her goings-on and day to day, and like uh going over to Carolyn's house, the Yates' house, continuing her investigation into Beatrice's manuscripts and all that jazz. She comes to find out that Noah was actually, or excuse me, Thomas was actually tutoring Noah. Noah, which she was unaware of. And then so she's kind of sparks that conversation with Noah, like, what's up with Thomas? Finds out that they weren't really close, they didn't really like each other. He was just there to tutor forcibly from Carolyn.

SPEAKER_01 34:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:31

And that Carolyn and Noah were actually quite close, and she took like a liking to him, and she wanted to financially like provide for Thomas in these last bits of college for him, right?

SPEAKER_01 34:51

And like they have like the Yates Foundation thing where they sponsor like scholarships, like social for low-income families. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:01

Yeah. And so he said, or excuse me, kind of going back to the conversation with the sister, she was upset because her brother, Noah, decided, or oh my god, her brother Thomas had decided not to come home for Thanksgiving and instead went to go spend Thanksgiving with the Yates. And then Noah said that Thomas like wasn't even really around that often at all. Yeah. He was with Carolyn.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

Yeah, he was really close with Carolyn.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

Yeah. Yeah. And so that was interesting, where it's like, okay, so she comes across some of the as she's kind of thinking back about the belongings that are in Thomas's boxes that need to be picked up from his family. She's seeing all these books that are the same, if not like similar concept. Is that what I'm trying to? I forget. My brain's having a a day today. Like artwork or whatever. All the same. Oh, topic. Sorry. Um, of uh Ginny's. And then she's looking at his drawings, his writings, and it's all ringing a bell and similarity to Ginny's.

SPEAKER_01 36:20

Yeah, and the books too. Like he checked out the same books. Yeah, like and they were very much so interested in witchcraft, lore, charm, symbols, symbols, all that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 36:32

They were very, very witchcraft. And so now we have kind of like a link appearing between not necessarily them, because obviously there's no way that Jenny knows Thomas, but there's a link of Carolyn. You know, Carolyn's just popping up fucking everywhere. Yeah. And then Carolyn starts to take like a real interest in Minerva, and next thing you know, she wants to financially support Minerva through the foundation.

SPEAKER_01 37:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:07

Yeah. And then there is a situation too where actually I don't know if that happened in part four or not. Minerva, there are like things just like kind of keep happening around her. She feels like there's eyes on her. Yeah, no, that's part three.

SPEAKER_02 37:19

So are you talking about? Yeah, so Minerva, she's taking walks like around campus doing her rounds, and then she feels uh time is distorted.

SPEAKER_01 37:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:30

And the pathways from like the landing over to Briar's Common should be quick. Five, five-minute walks. Yeah. And next thing you know, she's like, she's missing not as much time as Ginny was missing when we when she ends up recalling what happened to Ginny in her um manuscript, but she she's starting to notice things happening that are aligned with bewitchment. Getting lost is one of them. Yeah. On those pathways that you could walk, you're blindfolded. You know your way around. That's how well you know it. Then the time distortion. It's just like trickery, you know?

SPEAKER_01 38:16

Yeah, and there is a point too where she's walking through the little pathway and she feels like somebody's watching her. She's like kind of freaked out. She's trying to run. And then she like she knows that there's something there, but she can't see it. Yeah. And that they're invisible. Yeah. So she's running, running, running, and then she ends up like falling and like tripping and falling over, and she's like disoriented, and then like Conrad's there. Yeah, she picks up the rock. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And then she's like, and Conrad's like, Whoa, like, are you good? Yeah. And she's kind of suspicious. She's like when Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:51

And she's like, what the fuck? Why would you do that, Conrad? And he's like, what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_01 38:56

And he's like, you're fucking crazy, dude. And he's like, bye. I actually kind of feel bad for Conrad a little bit because he's just like so.

SPEAKER_02 39:03

He's always at the wrong place at the wrong.

SPEAKER_01 39:05

Yeah. And I honestly, like, Conrad is just so, he's just so dumb. I think he's like so blase. Yeah. So and just poor Conrad.

SPEAKER_02 39:14

Like, there's a point where I was like, oh, he's and Minerva's like, she not only is she like just going through something, but her personality is just not that.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

She's not outgoing. Yeah, she's not an outgoing.

SPEAKER_02 39:28

And not even outgoing, but she's just very there's walls.

SPEAKER_01 39:32

She's socially awkward, I think, is like her issue.

SPEAKER_02 39:34

I don't think it's that. I just think she doesn't want to know people. She's an introvert. She doesn't, she she it causes her anxiety. She she's like, you know, I've got my friend Tadeo, and I'm good with that. Like, she doesn't even really want to communicate much with her family. It's just too much.

SPEAKER_01 39:53

Yeah. Well, I mean, I think that because there was a point where she did want to know Conrad, but then like she took so long. Yeah. Cause she was so like trying to work up the nerve to talk to him. Where it was like, if she had like followed up immediately, like I wouldn't doubt that Conrad and her probably would have dated or maybe he'd be her boyfriend or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 40:13

But because once you get to know Minerva, I'm like, it's just a hard shell. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. I truly love her. Um it's just to people, she could probably be like abrasive because she's just, and it's not like none of this is a bad thing. It's just poor Conrad. Yeah. He's like, fuck you, dude. Like and so she runs home and she calls Hideo like immediately, and she is like, bro, this happened. And then as I'm thinking through all this, I'm like, okay, this is just like the same story playing out on a different timeline with different people. This all sounds like Minerva is Ginny, Ginny is Minerva, Hideo is Beatrice, Beatrice is Hideo. Like it's just all the same like sequence.

SPEAKER_01 41:04

I mean, you mean even with like the fear of like she's like at this point, she's kind of like coming to terms with the fact that because Beatrice was known for writing her famous book, The Vanishing after Beatrice's or not Beatrice, um, Ginny's disappearance. Yes. And so she's kind of like, this is just looking too similar. Yes. And so she's thinking, like, okay, maybe she maybe something supernatural did happen. Like, we are in New England. Yeah. You know, and um, we'll kind of compare like the New England witchcraft to like the Bruja to the Brujas, yeah. Yeah. But it's like, it's just kind of like she's like, I don't know, and like what what you know, my grand what my Nana Alba used to tell me, you know, with like the witchcraft. And so she's always kind of had like that belief. And so she's not going into this with like well, maybe this or that. Like, she's kind of like, no, there's definitely a witch here. Like, there's something going on, and so she's trying to kind of figure out like piece some of that together, like, okay, who could be the witch? Like, who could be doing this? And she she has like, like I said, this creepy stuff keeps happening to her. She had a cat, like a stray cat that she was feeding. Yes. And then the orange tabby. The orange tabby. And she was reading in the books that um she she checked out the same books that um Thomas and Jimmy had. And yeah, so familiar can be either a toad, a cat, or a dog, and they can remain invisible to others aside from the witch that they're um hanging out with, pretty much. And so with. Um, the the crazy thing too is like her friend Hideo has never seen this cat. Right. He has never seen this cat. All he knows is that she's been leaving food out for the cat. And so, but she goes to like she noticed, like, okay, it's been two days and the cat hasn't eaten enough.

SPEAKER_02 42:54

Yeah, and she'll like stand out there like calling for the cat.

SPEAKER_01 42:57

She's kind of waiting to see like where he's at, and then she goes outside one day and the cat's dead.

SPEAKER_02 43:01

Like the But unnaturally, its neck has been like like so fucking twisted that it's like like looking behind its body, like its head is facing the opposite direction, and she's shook, but she leaves it there.

SPEAKER_01 43:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:21

And um, when she calls Tadeo and he comes or yeah, he comes over, he's at the door, she opens it up and she's like, Did you see that the cat's gone? Cat's not there, and she's like, It was just here.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

You know, and at this point she's just kind of fed up because she's like, I just like she's kind of like, I just want to write my paper. Yeah you know. And she's like very like, she's keeps talking about how she's getting like these really horrible migraines. These migraines. Yeah. And she's like, she keeps getting like this sense of like again, something's watching her, something bad's gonna happen. And so she's kind of getting like what Alba had with like the portrait. The ports, yeah. And so she's kind of like She's just very like, I'm just over it. I just want I want to figure out what happened to Thomas, but I also want things to go back to normal. Like she's a very good student.

SPEAKER_04 44:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:08

And so up until this point, like she's been struggling to get through this. And so with her doing all this research and you know, getting to read uh Beatrice's manuscript and all of her notes and all this other stuff, she's just kind of like is leading her down this path that she wasn't expecting. Like she was just kind of hoping to see, like, okay, was this actually inspired by like it? Like, was Ginny's disappearance?

SPEAKER_02 44:31

I didn't think I was gonna like become a part of the story.

SPEAKER_01 44:34

Yeah, so so yeah, so she's kind of going through that. Um, she's trying to figure it out, she's trying to figure things out, but she's just like, I don't know what to do, you know, and things are just kind of getting worse for her, and so she's she's really trying to figure that out. And so she starts trying, she commits to it.

SPEAKER_02 44:51

She's like, you know what? I obviously need to protect myself. Protect myself. And so she starts, you know, she grabs there's like an old canary that is so where she stays at that specific dorm, it's like really old, and there's like obviously tons of other rooms, but nobody else is there, and she there's like some old what are they called? Like I know they're stuffed, but like yeah, taxidermy, and so she grabs like it's like a sparrow or a canary or something, yeah, and it's essentially the same thing that Alba did when Jovita told her what she needs to do with like the needles and poking herself and sticking them in. So she Minerva does that, but with the dead taxidermy bird, and then she's like going around the house, trying to keep it kind of inconspicuous, but with different symbols, like carved into the wood or like written on paper and then lifted up and put under the floorboard, just all around the house, below the house, doors, windows, you name it. Yeah, to protect to try to protect herself and like all the while, you know. Hideo doesn't know about that, but like Hideo's very worried for her. He's worried for her, yeah. He's like, you need help. This is not going to end well. You know, we need to essentially get you. I'm assuming it's just like kind of like a a doctor, like a primary care, but like on the college, the health services, right?

SPEAKER_01 46:28

Poor Minerva is just going through it. Like, just college is already stressful enough, and then now you've got to add in.

SPEAKER_02 46:35

It's not even just like regular college, like she's literally post-grad. She's writing a fucking thesis, and she's like, this was not supposed to be this hard. Yeah. Yeah. And so what else? She she ends up getting in contact with Carol. Carolyn tells her about I forget his name. Ben, I believe it's Benjamin. Is it? Yeah, who was the Jewish guy, right? He says, like, me and Ginny were kind of like outcasts, because like she came from California, and I forget what her like outcasting would be, but like he was this like just Jewish boy that like didn't fit in and was new, not totally accepted social-wise by Carolyn, but like he was very close with Ginny, and he had or not Beatrice, yeah, and so and he had kept Tris was into women, and so like a lot of people didn't really know what to do with that for her.

SPEAKER_01 47:34

And then he was just someone he's like he said he just liked being alone. Like he had no like a lot of people kind of made comments that he might have been gay, because I think Carolyn brought it up.

SPEAKER_02 47:45

And then his best friend's a lesbian, so he was literally just like he's like, I just like being by myself. Yeah, I just like don't want to be bothered.

SPEAKER_01 47:52

And I was Jewish, yeah. So like they didn't really know how to like talk to him or treat him. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, that's kind of the end of Minerva's part and and part three. Yep. Um, like I said, stuff is just ramping up for her, unraveling. Yeah, and it's getting worse, and she's gonna have some stuff go down in part four.

SPEAKER_02 48:13

So, and her breakdown to Hideo was still part three, right?

SPEAKER_01 48:17

I believe so.

unknown 48:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:19

Can you remind me how that went? Huh? Can you remind me how that went?

SPEAKER_02 48:22

Yeah, when when he tells her like she needs to go to Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because what I was gonna say is um the last thing was like she was like, it's invisible, Hideo. And he's like, What are you talking about? And she's like, that's what Jenny was trying to explain that like it was invisible and even to Ginny. But did we touch base last part on when Ginny was like telling Betty Beatrice? Yeah, to look outside of the window.

SPEAKER_01 48:55

Yeah, and we'll and we'll talk about that too when we go into Beatrice's part because I mean we could honestly just go into Beatrice right now. Yeah, because yeah, so like with Beatrice, she's kind of talking about how like in the these are the last few days or last couple weeks before Ginny officially goes missing.

SPEAKER_02 49:19

And Ginny's It was like December 1st and she goes missing on the 14th.

SPEAKER_01 49:22

Yeah, the 14th. Yeah, it's like the 14th. Or the 19th. Something like that. Yeah. And so Ginny's getting way more like she's getting more and more worried about uh Beatrice is getting more and more worried about Ginny. And Ginny is like still like she's like really diving into like the witchcraft books, like the she's staying up like she's staying up like looking the disaster. Yeah, she looks like just the dragon pretty much. And like, yes, there's a point where like Edgar like comes to visit and he like takes Beatrice inside and he's like, Can we go for a drive? I just want to talk to you about Ginny.

SPEAKER_02 49:58

I thought he no, he drove, he drove over to speak with her when Ginny wasn't there. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:04

So Ginny was supposed to be in class, yeah, and he's like, Beatrice, I need to talk to you. Betty. They called her Betty.

SPEAKER_02 50:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:10

Um he's like, Betty, I need to talk to you. Like something is just not right with Ginny. And so they go for a tribe.

SPEAKER_02 50:16

Have you experienced what I'm talking about? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:19

And Ginny is like, yeah, she's like, it's, you know, it's it's worrisome. And he's kind of like, should we have her like committed? Yeah. Betty is like, what the f how dare you? Yeah. You're not gonna commit her. Yeah. Because of this. She's like, she's just going through a hard time. She's probably stressed, or like, you know, she's trying to come up with like anything but what and he's like, no, I I love her. I still want to marry her. Do you think we should commit her? He's like, I'm just worried. He's like, I don't know what else to do. Yeah. And he's he is coming from like a good place where he's like, maybe she just needs to go somewhere where she can like relax, and she's like away from school, like everything here. He's like, you know, I just I don't know how to help her. Yeah. And so, you know, he's kind of like, you know, Ginny kind of talks him out of it. She's kind of like, look, she doesn't need to be committed. She's she's just stressed. Like something is just not going right with her. Like, we just have to support her. We just have to be there for her.

SPEAKER_02 51:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:16

Love her. You know, you take her to your family's house for Christmas, you know, just keep pouring love into her, pretty much. Just support her, you know. And he's kind of- Don't give up on her. Don't give up on her. And so he, you know, they kind of he kind of goes, like, he's like described as completely updated, right?

SPEAKER_02 51:33

Like, you're literally my eyes and ears, like, I can't be there.

SPEAKER_01 51:39

And he's described as like this, like just handsome, just happy, in love guy, you know, and him and his family have um, his family has like really good money. Like, they're very generational. You know, they have plenty of money going, even though like they're they're they're deep in the depression right now. His family is on good standing, you know, and so he just he just literally is just a great guy. Yeah, you know. Well, I don't think the money has anything to do with that. No, but it's just he's he's a catch, which is uh what I'm trying to kind of paint. Yeah. And so, you know, he's just a happy guy. He's he's he has no stresses, nothing really to worry about in his life. And so just the thing with Ginny is like really worrying him because it's like the love of his life. Yeah, he's really worried.

SPEAKER_02 52:23

It's a problem that money cannot solve.

SPEAKER_01 52:26

Yeah. And so he just he's like, I'm just kind of painting the fact that like he goes from like just like you know, happy, funny, fun guy to like he's just like worried, like his face is just stressed out, and then him and Jimmy have that or Betty have that conversation, and he kind of kind of goes back to like you know the bright person that he normally is, and um Betty kind of says, like, you know, I wish that we could go back to that moment when we're happy, like everything's fine, and we're happy. And so, you know, a couple weeks a couple days go by and it's like late at night, and they're kind of looking around like they like we can't find Jinny, nobody knows where she's at. And Carolyn's kind of like, oh, she's probably just hanging out with like Edgar, she's probably doing this. She's like just very much so not worried, and like everybody else is kind of like they made a they made a joke.

SPEAKER_02 53:20

Yeah, they made a joke. And Betty, Beatrice is literally like, What is your problem? What is your fucking problem? What if something actually did happen to her and like she kind of loses it? Yeah, and then Carolyn tries to, oh, hurry up, let me like fix this so I can still have my power and control over you. And she's like, Sorry, we were just making a joke, and she's like, Was I fucking laughing? Yeah. And like, like, you know, Jenny's going through something right now. Why would you fucking joke about that?

SPEAKER_01 53:48

Yeah. And so yeah, they they get to that point where they like they do kind of take it seriously, and like they're kind of like, okay, well, let's let's just see where she's at, you know. I'm sure she's just running late. She's okay. And so Ginny does come home that night, and Ginny was like, she basically says, like, I got lost. Like, I had no idea where I was. She said it's like the it's like the woods changed. She said she left the library at dusk. She didn't get back till like midnight.

SPEAKER_02 54:20

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:22

She was late because the house mother had to like yell at her at her. Yeah. Yeah. And because their curfew which is wild. Yeah.

unknown 54:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:32

But you're in college, you're like a full ass adult. It's the times. This is the things. And you have to, yeah, because just women can't be left alone. Yeah. Or you might get swooped up by a witch. Yeah. Just kidding. That's literally not why. It's the 30s. But yeah, so she that was terrifying. She's like, I don't know how to explain to you. She said that the path what happened, but I was on the path, and then I wasn't, and I didn't recognize where I was anything around me. Yeah. And so kind of thinking back to Minerva when she was on that path, and the same thing happened to her, but obviously not to the extent that Ginny experienced it. I'm like, huh. I wonder if Jinny had little ones like that happen, like Minerva's now just had one. Yeah. If she's had any of those small ones that led up before this big one, or if it was that would have been terrifying. I would have lost my, I would have just sat down and started like rocking. I would have been terrified.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

Yeah. And it's kind of sad because like the Beatrice is like she just loves her friend. Yeah. She hates it seeing her going through all of this.

SPEAKER_02 55:56

And but she still she is not displaying any empathy because she's not even conceptualizing that any of this is actually possible. Still. She still doesn't get it yet. And and she but she does explain um to Ginny about the conversation with Edgar.

SPEAKER_01 56:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:25

Right? And like where she, you know.

SPEAKER_01 56:27

And Ginny's kind of pissed about it because she's like, oh, you and Edgar were talking about me. And she's like, no, no, no, no. It wasn't like that. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:34

And she's like, we just want to protect you. Would that help you? And she's like, no, that would absolutely put me in more danger because I wouldn't have access to the things that I need for protection now, which is in the book. Yeah. Which is the drawings. And the spirits. Is the spirits. My mother.

SPEAKER_01 56:50

Yeah, my mother. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:51

Um, and so yeah. Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 56:54

And it's sad because like she's just kind of getting more and more like what she used to think of as like a beautiful thing being able to talk to these spirits, it's like turning into it's like being flipped against her. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:06

Like it's and she's she's just like the only thing like basically keeping her sanity is the fact that she can still communicate with her mom who's died.

SPEAKER_01 57:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:18

Um, otherwise she would be like completely lost.

SPEAKER_01 57:23

Yeah. I it's so sad to think that like her last days up until we like figure out like what happened to her. She's just do we she's just in fear.

SPEAKER_02 57:37

Do we figure out? Okay, good.

SPEAKER_01 57:40

Yeah. But she just lived in fear.

SPEAKER_02 57:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:43

Like that's the that's what always like makes me sad in like movies or things like these when like people are just in fear up until their death because it's like they know it's coming.

SPEAKER_02 57:53

Yeah, they just don't know when or how. Yeah. But that it is near. And it's almost like just hurry up and fucking come at me so we can like get this like waiting over. Yeah. Like goddamn.

SPEAKER_01 58:05

Like uh, I know what you did last summer. She's like, what are you waiting for? Yeah. Huh?

unknown 58:10

Huh? What are you waiting for?

SPEAKER_01 58:13

One of the most like apparently cringy scenes in all of the. But like, but for real. Yeah, what are you waiting for? Yeah, just do it already. Like, like, come at me. Get it over with. Let's go. So oh my god. And that's kind of like where because we're starting to get like stalking and the like that.

SPEAKER_02 58:32

That's gotta be the worst part.

SPEAKER_01 58:33

And there is one more situation that does happen too before we get to the end of Beatrice's part in this. And um Ginny, like she wakes up to Ginny like walking outside.

SPEAKER_02 58:45

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:46

And right? Yeah. And so she kind of follows her out into the snow. And Ginny is like, it was here. Like it was, it was here. It was watching me. Like, can't you see it?

SPEAKER_02 58:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:57

And don't you see the foot? The footprints? And Betty's like, I see nothing. There's nothing here. Uh-huh. I don't see anything. No, well, she saw the footprints. She well, I she saw the footprints, but there was something else that she was like, she's like, Did you not see it?

SPEAKER_02 59:10

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. By the tree.

SPEAKER_01 59:12

By the tree. And Betty's like, no, I don't see it. Like, let's go inside. It's cold. It's cold.

SPEAKER_02 59:18

We don't have on the proper clothes. Yeah. And she, it's the middle of the night.

SPEAKER_01 59:22

Yeah. And she kind of is like, oh.

SPEAKER_02 59:25

And she just like storms.

SPEAKER_01 59:26

She just kind of goes back inside and she's like, just don't tell Edgar. Like, please go tell Edgar. And she, and Betty's like, I promise I won't. But she's like, I just, we need to help you. We need to figure this out. Yeah. And so yeah. That's kind of how it ends. And I believe that that is one of the last chapters we get. I think we get, I think we might get like one or two more chapters in part four of Betty's manuscripts. Uh-huh. And it's just it's just sad because it's you know, we all knew that this was coming.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:00

Of Ginny.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:01

Her recollection. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:02

And so this is where.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:03

Do we ever get Ginny's any writing?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:09

No.

unknown 1:00:10

Damn.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:11

Okay. I'm like, that would have been so cool. Yeah. To like have like how we get Betty's point of view to have Ginny's.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:21

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're there's some other things that kind of take place that you'll read about.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:28

And I don't want to say anything else, but normally I just like have her, if I'm like a little bit behind and there's only like a chapter or two, I'm like, just tell me. Like, I'll read it anyways. I I don't it it won't ruin it for me. Just tell me. But I'm like, oh I'm really trying to because I'm like at least five different times I've been like, fuck it, just tell me.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:51

I want it so bad. But I'm like, oh, it'll be so good if I just like wait and I read it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:58

Yeah, I'm glad that like nothing was spoiled for me with this book because like the way it ends is a good. It's good, it's really good. Yeah, and it's just um it wraps everything up really nicely. But yeah, so that was kind of like the part three from like those three women women's perspectives. Um so that I want to discuss the blend of Mexican folklore versus the New England lore. Okay. So we've kind of got like the the brujas, and then we've got like the New England witch type thing. And so the information that like Minerva has access to as far as like in New England, like so she's got a little bit of both, right? She's got like what her Alba, Anna Alba taught her, which was like you know, the blood sucking, um, like and their kind of beliefs with that, but then she does also kind of get like some of like the New England, like, you know, everybody knows New England had like the the Salem Witch trials and like all that stuff, so she's kind of got access to that. But it's it's kind of it's it's different. So like you know, these women were from like you know, New England, they were kind of like the misunderstood, you know. Whereas like at least in like the Mexican folklore, they were kind of embraced because like you know, a lot of the farmers used them for help with like crops and stuff like that. Like they were they were respected and feared because they did know that there were like the good ones, and then there were some of the bad ones, and you didn't want the bad ones to come back for you. Or you didn't want to piss off the good one, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:36

And so it was like they were very respectful of it, and like Valentine was very respectful to it's a culture that's definitely more accepting of it for a longer period of time versus like America and and then the New England witch and going into the Salem witch trials and everything like that, like these women that were hung or burned, like if you actually look into the history of the Salem witches, it's really it boils down to some woman was pissed at her neighbor, and so she decided, and it ended up actually, it was really started by like a seven-year-old child that that literally took off with this idea because she was pissed at the neighbor, and the neighbor decided to go, you know, spill all this to the mayor and created this like hype. And they were just fucking calling everybody witches. Yeah. I don't, oh, you're pissed at me now? Cool, fuck you. You're a witch. They're a witch, they need to die. And there was literally like only testing to see.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:44

What's that book? Like, oh, you have a mole? Oh, they're a witch. Yeah, like I used to because I have a birthmark on my stomach. Uh-huh. And like sometimes I wonder, like, would I have been like called a witch because of this mark on my stomach? Probably. And it's just like, it's insane the criteria that they have for this. Well, and they were like just murdering innocent people. Yeah. And they're like, if if we put rocks in your pockets and you sink to the bottom of the of the river, then like You're a witch. You're a witch. And it's like, you would fuck innocent. Well, it was and it was also like they were kind of like, or it was like on the opposite end of that too, where they were like, Oh, if you if you don't sink to the bottom, you're a witch. Then you're a witch. But if you sink to the bottom, like, whoa. Like, I mean, at least you weren't a witch. You're not a witch, but like you're fucked. So and it's it's fucked up because like the whole history behind that too, but there's like this book that we read like in high school, or it was a play, it was something like that, where what is it called? Where it was like the girl. Well, they did a movie in the 90s where Winona Ryder was in it, and she was like a young woman who was sleeping with a married man, and because the married man didn't want to leave his wife for her, she they started this whole pandemic with like the witches, and so she like accused his wife of being a witch, and then like they were pretending like they were being taken over by the witch during like the trial, and it was like it's so good, but it's like it's one of those classics where um with the witch thing, so um it was in the 90s, yeah. With Winona Ryder, and I it I wanted I forget what it's called because it's not like the Scarlet Letter, because that's different.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:26

Um, oh The Crucible? Yes, the Crucible. I haven't seen this movie, so Oh, it's good, and it's based on a like a play. It says Winona Ryder stars as Abigail Williams in 1996 film adaptation of Arthur Miller's The Crucible, which centers on the Salem witch trials of 1692. Her character leads a group of teenage girls and accusing townspeople of witchcraft after they are caught performing rituals.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:55

Yeah, so they were caught because like they got like one of the slave women, um Was a black woman, and I forget what her name was, but um they had asked her for some like insight on like because she's trying to basically she was trying, she got in her head that if she were to like I will like I read this so long ago, but if she wanted to kind of cast like a thing to get this man to like like her or something to leave his wife for her because they he did cheat on her, yeah, he did cheat on his wife with her, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:26

Um but she wanted him to leave, yeah. But he didn't want to leave, yeah. And so because husbands are never gonna leave lives in the person they're cheating.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:34

And the way it ends, you know, he ends up um I don't know if you want me to. Yeah, does he die? Uh yeah, so he ends up like she somebody ends up like either sh either Abigail ends up like accusing him of being a witch, and then a man that won't leave the wife. Yeah, and just like, oh, if I can't have you, then I'm gonna have you murdered. So he kind of essentially takes the rap for everything. Like he pretty much says, like, you know what? Yeah, I'm a witch. But he's not, he's just saying it right because he wants to protect his wife, his wife, yeah, who was innocent. Like, I fucking cause all this. I might as well like take the and so he ends up dying in the end. I ended up killing him as like a witch. So but it's it's really good. And it's basic, it's either a book or a play. And I want to say that it was a play. Was it a yeah, I want to say that like I had read it as like a play type thing. We were all created a play, and yeah, and and a movie. Well, because I want to say like it was in English, and I believe like we were all assigned roles, and I think I was given the role of Abigail, so it was either Abigail or I was yeah, I think I was Abigail, and I didn't remember a line. I do remember there was like a thing where like they were in like a trial in the church, and when they were they were pretty much pointing fingers at everyone. They were like, Oh, they were pointing fingers at everyone because they were saying they fucking died, yeah. They were because they were at first they were going after Abigail for the the shit that they were doing, yeah. And then she was like, No, I was bewitched, and she was like, She did it, and like she like, you know, like she points at like this guy's wife, and she's like, What the fuck? And she's like, and then she starts like pretending like she's getting slapped. Yeah, and she's like, Stop, she's hit, she's hurting me, stop, stop, please. Yeah, and like they people are like big show. Yeah, and the youngest girl that was in this group was like a seven-year-old woman. Well, that's what I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:28

In real life, yeah, a fucking seven-year-old child started what was the Salem witch trials. Yeah. Because she didn't get what she wanted from a neighbor. Real documented life. Yeah. And that's how fucking crazy they were back then.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:47

It's insane. And so, yeah, like I, you know, I do think that like these women, these poor women and men, you know, there were a lot of people that were accused of witchcraft, and they were just wrong place, wrong time. Like, I don't know. And um, basically. And it's sad. And so yeah, it's uh it's kind of interesting to see how different cultures and you also have to think too about like their exposure to like certain religions, too. Like, does that have like you know, I don't know, because like they they believed in like there was like they were Catholic, like I believe.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:28

Well, they were Catholic because they were forced to become Catholic. That's not like their yeah original religion, right? They they they worshipped. I don't know if they not god, you know, going back in like the Aztecs and the Mayans and the Incas and they had gods, right? There's like a god for crops, a god for rain, a god for sun, like there's all that. So I mean, yeah, I feel like a majority of Mexicans are Catholic now, but that's because the Spaniards conquered and forced Catholicism on them.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:11

Yeah, so it's just it's just interesting to think how some of this maybe could have been I don't know. Because like and it was also like a lot of women that were using like the natural um like remedies for sickness and stuff like that instead of just straight prayer. Like they were like, you know, trying to use like herbs and all that other stuff to try to help heal people from like sickness. And I believe too, like if you didn't catch the plague, you were also called a witch. Like because they were like, well, everybody else got the plague, but you didn't, you know, like so. It's just like there's like a lot of wild time to be alive.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:53

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:53

Can you imagine?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:55

Like I think I still would have taken that over the shit that we're going through now.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:00

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's nuts. It's so I can get into all that, but yeah. So there were some like charms that you know Minerva and Valentine like Valentine gave her the blessed uh lock the blessed locket for protection. Um, you know, we talked about like the scissors in the bowl of water under the bed, um, the bird with the pins, you know. Um what would you carry around with you like for protection? Like what do you think would be? I mean, ideally, I'd probably carry around the locket. I would hate to have to carry a bird with pins in it.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:41

I feel like I would carry all of them at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:46

Yeah. Depending on how scared I was, which like at the point that I'm at in the book, I'd be like, Yeah, I would have like had the locket around my neck, uh, the bird in my pocket, and the scissors in my other pocket.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:59

Like they did mention too, like a nail wrapped in like red yarn or something like that, too. But I can't remember specifically what it if it was like um it was like another type of charm.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:12

I don't know if I've read that yet. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:13

It might have been in part four. Yeah. I don't yeah, but it was something like that where they had discussed what an interesting charm. Yeah. I wonder if you could tattoo that on yourself as like yeah, like a nail with like a little red like yarn. Spread type thing. Cause like I have like um maybe I believe in like the horseshoes and stuff like that. And so like I have like a little horseshoe thing on my permanent bracelet. Um that's cute. But yeah, I couldn't have to. The tattoo idea is adorable.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:39

I'm sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:39

Yeah, right. Like I kind of like that idea. I need to do my research on it.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, let's find you come with five, and I'll come with five, and we'll compare and we'll whittle it down and we'll go get tattoos.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:52

Yeah, I know I definitely want to do the four-leaf clover, not only because I have Irish in my family, but also for like the good luck aspects. My mom has one like on her ankle, and I was kind of thought about getting like the same one, but it's on the ankle. Yeah. So I'm like, I don't know about that. And like it's the color tattoo. It's not terrible, but um, but yeah, I've definitely wanna do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:14

The ankle is like it's like uh you just you feel the vibration. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:20

Maybe I'll get it like somewhere else, maybe not.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:22

But I couldn't imagine, like it would only be a few minutes, it wouldn't be that long. It's not like you're getting the space massive tattoo. It would it would take away. Maybe it's like a little bit bigger than like a quarter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, yeah, which one would you pick?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:36

Honestly, I think I'd probably go with the locket initially and like kind of test the waters because like I would need a really big purse to like hide the fact that I'm carrying around like a dead bird. Do they even do you think a ziploc bag? Because of the snow.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:52

Are we like back then or are we now?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:56

I mean, well, Minerva did it in 1998, so but it was taxidermied.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:00

Yeah. So but did she carry it around with her?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:04

Yeah, you'll you'll read about that in in part four if she carries it around with her. It wasn't just left at the house. No, she carried it with her everywhere.

unknown 1:14:11

Huh?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:12

Yeah. But she had it like in her backpack and then like she switched it to like a purse and yeah, she's like, You're coming with me, buddy.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:18

Yeah. I wonder if it worked how it was supposed to, since it's like an old taxidermy bird. Like, if she should have killed it. Yeah, I wonder if she should have killed it herself.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:28

Yeah. Yeah, that I wonder that too. Because I'm like, I don't know if that would well didn't Jovita give her the bird that she had that was like already dead and had pins in it. She gave Alba that bird, didn't she? So Alba didn't even kill that bird herself.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:47

So I wonder like if it was a kid.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:48

But maybe it was like freshly dead. We have no like history or background on like the state of that bird. Yeah. For all I know, she killed it for her that day because she knew she was coming over. Because she was like, I'm preparing this for her. Yeah you know? Yeah. Um, who who the fuck knows? But anywho, um, you want to do the next little update? Yeah. Back to the two cam. Yeah. Somebody got a new phone. Yay! To help out, because uh I don't have enough data on my phone.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:25

So yeah, we're hoping, hopefully today, maybe we're gonna go see um what is it, Undertone, the new spooky movie. So hopefully we can add that to because I've been thinking once a month we'll do like a video on everything that we've watched, whether it's in the theaters or something we watched like at home or whatever. And we'll kind of talk about those like spooky movies and like true crime movies. I'm also kind of thinking about adding like um like the documentaries and stuff like that to it as well, because those could be pretty scary too.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:55

So yeah, so we're gonna do um, you know, at the end of the month, I I'm figuring, you know, maybe the last day of the month we're gonna upload something. Yeah. Um, for the Midnight Cinema Society. And then yeah, it'll I'm excited. Maybe we'll put like a poll up to see like what or like a, you know, maybe like you guys can tell us like what movie you think we should watch.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:20

And and we love to go to theaters and like the whole experience, but like it still can be like old and we can watch it at home.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:27

My husband and I, we have um Shudder through AMC Plus, and so I know that there's like a lot of stuff on there that like we haven't even touched yet. So, like, you know, if there's something on Shudder that you guys would recommend, let us know.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:42

Um and then just your regular traditional we got, let's see, HBO, yeah, Apple, Amazon Prime, we got Netflix, Hulu, Showtime, Peacock, not Showtime, Peacock, Pacock. I literally think it that covers all the bases.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:05

Yeah. So anything, just anything, and if we need to search it or and if I have to like pay to rent something, it's whatever. Yeah, you know. We'll we'll figure it out. So yeah, let us know what you think we should watch. Yeah, we're we're down for anything. The only one I will tell you, and I'm just gonna make this as like a disclaimer. A disclaimer. I will not accept a Serbian film. I will not watch that movie. Oh and for those of you that know, you know. I mean, I've heard. And if you want to recommend that, okay. I know we said this is like a judgment.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:40

You can recommend you can recommend it, but it will not be watched. We will not watch it because I feel like that thing's real.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:47

Yeah, I won't watch that one.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:49

I yeah, we don't even need to talk about it anymore.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:51

So yeah, that's just like my one my one thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:53

You can drop it into the void and pretend we saw it.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:57

But yeah, we I will not watch it ever.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:59

No, I'm not gonna watch it.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:00

And maybe we'll discuss that more like during like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:02

I've already seen like the human centipede. I'm not really wanting to like watch that shit again either. So yeah. Have you seen that one?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:10

Yeah. I unfortunately have watched like all three of them.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:13

Oh. I just I can bear to watch it, but I'm just like, ugh.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:18

It's not like yeah, it's not scary to me, it's just gross. Yeah, like I'm pretty sure I only saw the first one. The third one is like an entire prison. Like they decided to do it to like an entire prison.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:29

Like the whole prison is attached to the one prison giant fucking god, and there's just like dead people like in between because some people just go right away, like infection gets them. But I I'm I'm bound to even like re-watch like the hostels. Like, it's been a while. Have you ever called hostile?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:47

Yeah, I've watched those ones.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:48

Because I feel like with what we're going through in life right now, and all these like elites with their money and their power and their sacrifices and shit like that. Like, if you just like go back and you watch some stuff that you've seen before, you're like, that's really weird that you were like just like coming out and like showing us what you did. Because, like, I I don't know why I've thought about that movie recently where I'm like, I bet you this is literally the shit that they do. They like bathe in people, they kill them and bathe in their blood. That's literally dripping on them. It's like that's probably what these motherfuckers do. Anyways, it's sick. But I love a good horror film.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:32

Yeah, yeah. And we got uh summertime coming up, so like summertime slashers, you know. Maybe we'll do like a nostalgia section, like or whatever, where we just watch like, you know, the 80s cheesy, you know. Jaws. Just kidding. Jaws, Friday the 13th.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:50

I'm like, that can't really fit into it.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:52

I love the Friday the 13th remake that they did in like what 2008 or nine or something like that. I love that one. Jared Padillacke. Do you like or what is it?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:02

Deep Sea or Deep Lucy. Yeah, it's one of my favorite movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:06

I love creature features. I will watch any scary shark movie, which they have one coming out on Netflix too.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:12

I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:13

And I'm so excited to watch it.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:15

I love Did you watch the one? I I don't remember the name, but it was like two, three, four months ago it came out where it's a serial killer who takes people out and like feeds into the show. I want to watch it.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:27

It's isn't it like uh it's like um it's it's it's got it's it's got a title that is similar to a different movie because the movie that it's got the same title, that one's also kind of like a spooky movie with Jake Gyllenhall, and that one's like another one too that we should probably watch and cover so many. Yeah, I love movies, Nocturnal Animals or something like that, right? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, but anyways, it was good, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:58

Okay, we'll have to watch. Alright, so I want to talk about Etsy. We're almost ready to click the live button on our Etsy store. So look for that. We'll start linking it. Um, and you'll be able to see everything that we have up so far that we're ready to share with you guys. We're super pumped about that. And then officially today we are live on our website, which is www.cozymidnightcollective.com. I know you'd never you'd never guess.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:33

It's and it's constantly evolving.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:35

Yeah, everything is constantly evolving. We will change stuff, add stuff, take stuff away. We want to see what you guys like, and then we're gonna like go with that. Okay. You know what I mean? So judgment free zone, be kind. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. We are learning and we're constantly just trying to improve and we have a feeling part four is going to change everything we think we know.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:10

So until next time, stay cozy, stay spooky, but remember some stories are meant to haunt you. Bye.