Storytime: Flipping a haunted house | Play Nice (Part 1) Midnight Horror Discussion

The cameras are rolling, but she isn't the only one watching... 🕯️📹

Welcome to the Cozy Midnight Collective. Today, we are opening our April Book of the Month, Play Nice by Rachel Harrison. In this midnight horror storytime, we follow Clio, an influencer who just inherited the one place she swore she’d never return to: her deceased mother's "demonic" family home.

Is she flipping a house for content, or is she walking into a trap set by her own past? We’re breaking down the first part of this creepy podcast journey, from the rocky relationship between the three sisters to the "banned" book that holds the house’s darkest secrets.

In this Part 1 Discussion:

• The Inheritance: Why Clio’s sisters want nothing to do with the "haunted" estate.
• The Influencer Flip: The tension between creating content and facing a real-life haunting.
• The Banned Book: Discussing the annotated notes Clio’s mother left behind.
• Collective Updates: A little teaser about the massive projects we have coming in May! 🤫

Chapters: 

1. Welcome Back- 00:00:25:25
2. Collective Updates- 00:17:00:08
3. The Inheritance: Three Sisters & one Mother- 00:35:39:29
4. The Flip: Content vs Reality- 1:02:40:25
5. The “Banned Book” & Annotations- 1:16:23:07
6. Goodbye- 1:28:49:03

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:29

Welcome back to Cozy Midnight Collective. I'm Lauren.

SPEAKER_05 0:35

And I'm Morgan. Today we're opening our April book of the month, which is Play Nice by Rachel Harrison.

SPEAKER_03 0:46

And the first thing we wonder is what happens when an influencer inherits the one place she swore she'd never return to. We're following Cleo as she heads back to her childhood home, a place her mother claimed was haunted by a demon, and a place her sisters refused to touch. So grab your tools and your sage. We're flipping a haunted house. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:12

I have always had dreams of flipping a house, and I watched a million house flipping shows.

SPEAKER_03 1:20

HGTV is where it's at. Yeah. 100%.

SPEAKER_05 1:23

There's so many of them, like on all the networks, and like you can get sucked into a literal black hole of renovations.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:32

We before we purchased this house, we were looking at a house that we were gonna buy for super cheap and flip the whole thing. Um, but there was so much work that needed to be done. I was like, well, we might as well literally have a crane and a fucking wrecking ball come and just fucking build something else there. Like it was just yeah, backed out of that house so fast.

SPEAKER_03 1:58

And it's one of those things because it's like, you know that movie The Money Pit with Tom Hanks? Like, it's literally it, it can, it looks like it might be like simple, you know, but like good hard work, but then it turns into like one problem after the other. And it's like that's kind of what keeps me from like because like wait and I want to buy our own house someday, and I'm kind of like, you know what, let's just get a cookie cutter house. Like, I'd rather have a cookie cutter house that's like like a pre-fetch up to date, yes, like I don't have to worry about anything, but then there's like that part of me where it's like I would love to make it like my own, you know.

SPEAKER_05 2:33

I think those projects, like I am so glad we didn't do it. I'm glad that we bought something that was literally it's called turnkey, yeah, it's ready to go. Like anything you want to do to the house is just extra.

SPEAKER_01 2:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:47

Because with these kids, I'm telling you, I was like, I literally had nightmares because Adeline was so little. I'm like, I just kept having these like very dark, morbid thoughts of like worst case scenario with something as simple as like crawling onto a fucking nail, yeah, or like falling over the railing because there's no railing, because we're putting the stairs in, we're moving them like that. Yeah, it's just literally and the side of the house that I'm talking about, um, it's actually only a flu few blocks away from where Braxton lives with her mom. And um, neither like long story short, there the couple that owned it that was selling it, his mom, he was an older gentleman, I think, in like his their they were in their 60s. His mom was like in her late 80s, and so they had built like second like mother-in-law suite home on the house. Yeah, and on that side it was like a small apartment with like two bedrooms, one bathroom, a kitchen, a living room, very small apartment. Yeah, it was nice, but we were all gonna like squeeze in there for six months to a year, yeah, which is doable, but would have been hell, but we would have been able to do it. But literally, my mind with these like work, I was like, I I I literally can't. Yeah, I no. I'm like, this is like this is wrong, this is wrong. I just kept having that feeling and we lost like our earnest money because when you put when you buy a house, you have to put earnest money down and it's non-refundable. But I was like, I don't even care. Like, no, it's just like it is we had a we'd never done that before, but we we had we went through that three separate times before we found this house, and this house like literally wasn't even on the market, it just like fell into our laps, and I was like, Okay, everything worked out fine. We don't and I kept getting creepy vibes about the house too. Like nothing happened where like I saw that oh, this is haunt haunted, but it was just something was not right, and I just had like this weird anxiety immediately, like the feeling of like, oh, I love this, it has so much potential, yeah, and like it was fleeting. So, yeah, because houses you can't just like pick up and leave. No, if you have a family, limited income, like people, real life stories of like people living in haunted houses, what are you gonna do? Yeah, it is not easy to get out of a fucking mortgage, like, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 5:34

Anyways, yeah, no, and you can't like and when people are like, Well, why are you moving out?

SPEAKER_05 5:38

Like, you Yeah, and then you're like, Great, how am I gonna nobody wants to like move into a haunted house? I can't live with this. How's anybody else supposed to live with this? And then, like, some states now they have like laws where you have to disclose if somebody was like murdered or died on the premises, but if you don't know the history, you don't necessarily have to disclose that it's haunted, you know. And so I'm sure that happens all the time. People are like, I'm sorry, it's it's gotta be you or me, and it's you. I've gotta get my fucking kids out of this mess, you know. No, I yeah, that's great. I could never, oh my god, I know. Like I could just uh yeah in like haunted houses, like you went in some haunted houses with me this last Halloween and Whitney braved it.

SPEAKER_03 6:33

Poor witch. She she made it through one, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:36

She was like, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. That wasn't that bad.

SPEAKER_03 6:39

But then we like presented her with another one. She's like, Yeah, I'm not going. I'm not going to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_05 6:42

And we're like, okay, well, what about this one? It's two percent, like you can see, no, mm-mm. And I was like, she's done.

SPEAKER_03 6:47

I know, and I really wanted to go through like that last foresty one, but like, even like people coming out were like, I wouldn't take her in there. They're like, I I was too scared to go through there. Like, I'm like, thank you for helping me out. Like, I was trying to tell her, like, I'll be brave, I'll close your eyes, like, I'll walk, like, you know, I'll cover your eyes the whole time, I'll keep you in my arms, like nothing will get you. Yeah, you know, like they'll get like they'll probably just like go after me or whatever, but they like you know, yeah. I tried so hard, and she was like, No. And then while we were waiting for you and Kennedy to come back, she was like, Yeah, it's probably good that I didn't go in there because like I could have gotten like injured, you know, like I could have like tripped over something and like I could have hurt myself. She's like logic. Yeah, she's like, it's probably good that I just didn't go in there. I'll skip it this time, you know.

SPEAKER_05 7:39

Yeah, but like don't worry, like I'll in the future.

SPEAKER_03 7:42

And I almost had her, I almost had her going in, like, look, I said we we'll go to the front of the line, we won't have to wait that long. Yeah, and um, these like this big group of like fully grown men come out and they're like, yo, that was terrible, like that was that was a scary thing, and they look at like me, my daughter, and they're like, Oh, I mean, it was a lot of fun, like it wasn't scary at all. And I pulled the guy aside, I'm like, okay, honestly.

SPEAKER_05 8:07

And he's like, No, can't believe a grown-ass man was like, no, he was like, She's not, she's gonna hate it.

SPEAKER_03 8:14

I'm like, okay, so we just we just waited.

SPEAKER_05 8:18

But have you ever heard of like the scariest like haunted house in the whole country? It's in like the Midwest somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 8:29

Is it McKinney Manor or whatever?

SPEAKER_05 8:31

Is that the one where he like makes them sign like some waiver and there's a whole documentary on it? Have you watched it? It is so fucked up.

SPEAKER_03 8:39

It's fucked, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:40

Like where he no, he literally just hurting people, he's torturing them.

SPEAKER_03 8:44

Yeah, he got his like neighbor to go through and because I remember I watched it's like in the like the first part of this documentary. It was uh yeah, and like his neighbor was like, I I hate him, like I I hate him so much. And I think he got didn't he get shut down? I want to say he got shut down. Um because it w it got to be too much. And I think that there were like ones that was like there were allegations.

SPEAKER_05 9:09

Oh yeah, he there was tons of people going to sue him, but like they did sign a bunch of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 9:15

But I think there was like stuff that like was happening that wasn't like disclosed in like the waiver.

SPEAKER_05 9:20

Well, yeah, because people aren't gonna sit there, they're not gonna read the waiver like here's the waiver 24 hours in advance and read the whole thing. People always just sign, they don't read the fine print at all.

SPEAKER_03 9:33

Excuse me. Yeah. No, if I have to sign a waiver to get into somewhere, I'm not going. Like, period. Like it's one thing to go like on a roller coaster, like going to Disneyland. Like, you don't have to sign a waiver to go to Disneyland, you know? If I have to sign a waiver where like if I get hurt, I can't hold them responsible. Like, I'm not going. There's no reason for me to go.

SPEAKER_01 9:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:53

Because why do I need a waiver to go through a haunted house? Yeah. You know?

unknown 9:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 9:56

Like you should not be ever put in a position.

SPEAKER_03 9:59

And I'll happily put on like the like necklaces where they're like, you know, I'm a wuss or whatever, like the weenie necklaces, you know. I'm cool with that if that means I'm not getting touched, yeah, or electrocuted. Like, I watched some like some of these like walkthroughs. Some people are like signing on to get like pointed like cattle prods and shit like that. And I'm like, that doesn't make it scary for me. That just makes me pissed off. Yeah. But you can't punch the actors though. But they can punch you. So that's where I'm kind of like. Where are you seeing those? It was on TikTok. I can't remember the name of it specifically.

SPEAKER_05 10:33

Or some in Washington?

SPEAKER_03 10:34

Uh I don't know if they're in Washington, but I know they're like, I don't think I've heard of any of those. Let me do some research and I'll show you.

SPEAKER_05 10:41

Yeah, I definitely know. No. I can't be held responsible for what I instinctively do.

SPEAKER_03 10:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 10:50

No, like I mean I will fight.

SPEAKER_03 10:51

Like, for me, like, I'm gonna like I'm gonna do my darndest not to punch an actor, right? But I'm also like, obviously, if you're a person that knows you're a puncher, don't go to a haunted house. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_05 11:02

I mean, I go to haunted houses all the time, but like they're not. But it's it's different still.

SPEAKER_03 11:07

But like because there's people that specifically know that they like to punch, or like that they are like a hitter, and they still go to all the time.

SPEAKER_05 11:15

If somebody's poking me with the prod or coming at me, I'm gonna fight.

SPEAKER_03 11:19

No, but like the just like the regular ones where they're just like, you know, ah, like, you know, like they brush up on me or whatever. But there's people that will go to those haunted houses and they'll be like, oh, I was scared, and they'll punch somebody in the face. Yeah, and it's like it's that's not cool, it's ridiculous. Yeah, yeah. Because it's like, don't go to a freaking haunted house if you can't feel it. Like I will say this when you took me, I hadn't been to a haunted house since I was like, I was like, you were little, right? Yeah, and it was like my school's like haunted house, so it wasn't even that scary.

SPEAKER_05 11:50

Dude, there was this. So in junior high, me and my girlfriends every single year we would like go as like a big group and like just like walk through this like massive neighborhood. Well, there was like two in particular, but there was this one house that always did the best haunted houses, and it was the street behind my street, so we were lucky enough that it wasn't like too terribly far from like one of our home bases, right? But so it was like a street that like I knew really well, like where we were and felt like comfortable. Um, and there was a few in our neighborhood. There used to be a bunch, like I just remember it being like a really great time. I loved Halloween, but we would like you know, we were 12, 13 years old, and this one year they did one, and the movie The Ring had just come out, which is like already like starting off, yeah. Probably like one if one of the only movies that where I was like actually creeped the fuck out when she crawled out of the TV, where I was like, this is not okay. So this haunted house was based off of the ring, like it had literally come out like a week or two prior, and then it's Halloween, and they like did such a good job. So those, you know, those like really big like blue tarps that like or like they're blue on one side, they're silver on the other side. You can like they're massive, and so you rope them down over like cars or whatever huge things that like you want to keep clean or like water off of, etc.

SPEAKER_01 13:33

Right.

SPEAKER_05 13:34

So the houses in the neighborhood I grew up in, very like middle class, single story. Um, it's not like a huge like front area that you have to like walk through and like navigate to get to the front door. So it's not like this was a huge haunted house. So it was very little, and it was just going pretty much like from the driveway up the driveway, like a little bit of a left-hand turn, then straight, and it would end at the front door. So it was literally so small, but like where they could, they fit in twists and turns and they used those like tarps. I don't know how they fastened them on the part that was like outside running up the driveway, because it I don't recall there being a tree, but who knows, anyways. This is Arizona. Um, and so you would like walk through the house and then it's the phone ringing because you know, and pick up seven days, yeah. Like, right? And so there was like it was so good, but long story short, I'm like coming around. Oh, and they use are cinder blocks like is that the right word? The cement blocks are those like cinder blocks, they're like gray and square, is that a cinder block? Yeah, so there's fucking like cinder blocks, whatever tarps and cinder blocks, and it's all covered and it's pitch black, and the all I remember is like the phone is on this like stool at one of the first turns, it's like going off, going off, going off. And then you had to turn a corner to go around here, and then when you're facing the front door, she's there. Okay, and so I'm like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So, like, but you have to go that way to get out, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, like literally, fuck that, fuck this. I'm backing up. This is the only haunted house I've ever done this in. Like, I've legit been to hundreds, and she just like slowly was like, oh no, like slow mo, dude. And then she like started getting it was so slow, and I was like fucking screaming, fucking ran, didn't know where I was going, ran through the fucking tarp, hit the cinder blocks, took down a whole fucking tarp, fell out on the lawn, scraped up my whole fucking body. My friends are dying laughing. They're like, of course, like Morgan would do that. Um, not that I'm a scaredy cat, but like the most like eccentric way to like fail a haunted house. Yeah, it goes to me, right? Um, but I just remember like, and then ever since then, I was like, you can never be a fucking pussy ass bitch again. Close your eyes and keep walking, they can't touch you. Like literally, that scared the fucking actual piss out of me. I'm pretty sure I probably pissed a little bit as well. Oh no, but that like a homemade haunted house was scarier than like anyone that I've ever paid for, and I've paid for ones where it's like 50 bucks to go through once, you know.

SPEAKER_03 16:56

But any hoosers.

SPEAKER_05 16:58

Oh man.

SPEAKER_03 17:03

So before we dive into the book, we just wanted to give you a quick little update as to what's going on here with us. Yeah, we were just talking about like haunted houses and everything.

SPEAKER_05 17:14

Yeah, we are.

SPEAKER_03 17:15

Yeah, we will be. Yeah, we would love with like sweetness and cherries on top. Please give us your midnight confessions. And this is like our first, like, legit, like wherever we kind of want like a theme, I guess. We would love anything. Do you guys have any haunted house? Haunted house, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 17:37

Like, I mean, did you spend the night at a friend's house and like you heard something? Have you seen a ghost? Has anybody in your family been possessed? Did you live in a haunted house? Like, I do recall one of my best friends growing up, one of her other best friends lived in a haunted house, and she would tell me stories after every time when she would come back home from spending the night with this friend. Um, but I don't have contact with her, but I'm like, there I know people, I know you're out there, I know you be living in haunted houses and some spooky shit happens. And whether they're like friendly, you know, Casper the friendly ghost, or if it's like fucking demonic mimics living in your attic, I want to be scared. Yeah, and I, you know, we want to read them. You can stay anonymous, you don't have to share your details, we can change everything or give you the credit that you deserve. Yeah, yeah. But I don't know how all these other podcasts and how they get all these stories, and like there's this one girl I follow, and she's like, I have 14,000 unread emails of stories, and I'm like, Where's my 14,000 people? I just like I don't even need 14,000, even one, yeah, the single one. Like, let us share.

SPEAKER_03 19:03

Yeah, we love it.

SPEAKER_05 19:05

This is what we want to do. So, anyways, thank you. We would love that. Um, Etsy.

SPEAKER_03 19:13

Yeah, Etsy.

SPEAKER_05 19:14

So, do you want to talk? Okay, yeah. So, we're uh we obviously, you know, we've been talking about like cool, like little side projects we're working on to make like merchandise, whether it's like stickers or keychains or tumblers, t-shirts, stuff like that. Obviously, we're gonna have stuff that's like cozy midnight collective stuff, but also we wanna be able to sell other stuff that we love that is also spooky, or maybe it's not and it's bookish. But you know, we've talked to you guys about it before stickers, decals, tumblers, all that jazz. And so I figured I would open up shop on Etsy, you know, the accounts paid for and ready to go, but it's taking a quite a bit of time to like really square out the the listings portion. And since I'll be going to Europe in a couple of weeks, like three weeks, I'm just gonna wait to tackle that when I get back in in June. And so we'll let you guys know when it's live and there's actually stuff on there if you wanna peek around and help support the channel so we can keep the podcast going, that'd be great. If not, obviously, I'm on Etsy, so people will find us regardless of the podcast. But we did want you to know that you know, we'll have some special stuff uh coming up if you wanna, you know, use some of our bookmarks and some of the books that we're doing for the book club. So that's that.

SPEAKER_03 20:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:43

And then yeah, what else?

SPEAKER_03 20:46

We are working on kind of like a little bit of uh extra bonus type content. We'll be making like a video on it tomorrow, which we'll post to like all of our socials and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_05 21:00

So well, then they're gonna see that before they see this video.

SPEAKER_03 21:04

So yeah, it may or may not already be out, I guess, at this point. So it just depends. But video of like what our upcoming kind of project, kind of just like bonus content is posted to our socials already. So yeah, check that out. What does that? What like bug am I?

SPEAKER_05 21:21

Oh, that's uh Kennedy as praying man too. So sorry for the interruption. This is funny though. Like Kennedy all last night, she was like running around the house, and then she'd randomly fall on her back and go, I'm a cockroach. And I'm like, She was, but I died, and I was like, Oh, that's what that brilliant. Okay. She's like, Do you want to know what a cockroach would look like really close up? And I was like, I'm right, almost wished you.

SPEAKER_03 21:58

We have kind of Like, well, I guess it's not really just like a May thing. March madness.

SPEAKER_05 22:03

Right into May madness. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:05

Because April's gonna be mad as well. April will say.

SPEAKER_05 22:08

So many April Fool's jokes today, you guys. It's April 1st.

SPEAKER_03 22:10

Yeah. For kids. Tell them what, tell them what Whitney. She woke up this morning. She's like, Mom, what holiday is it? And I'm like, holiday. Like, what are you talking about? She's like, there's a holiday today. And I'm like, no, Easter is like on Sunday. I don't think there's a holiday. She's like, Yes, there is. It's April Fools. And I'm like, oh god. Nope. Okay. I mean literally. I picked up the girls today from school and drove them over here. And Kennedy and Whitney got in and they're like, you know, getting buckled and you know everything. And they're like, it's April Fool's. And I'm like, yeah, I heard. And they're like, um, so Kennedy says, Don't tell my mom, but I'm gonna play an April Fool's joke on her. And I'm like, oh god. And I said, What kind of joke? She's like, I'm gonna tell her I got sent to the principal's office. And I'm like, okay, good luck, you know, and she's like, Yeah, I'm gonna do it. And then as soon as we walked in the house, like Morgan comes upstairs and she's like, Hey, what's up? And McKennedy's like, Mom, I have something to tell you.

SPEAKER_04 23:15

I have bad news.

SPEAKER_03 23:16

I have bad news. She's like, I got sent to detention. Yeah, detention.

SPEAKER_05 23:23

Yeah, she said detention instead, and that was my first cue where I was like, mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 23:27

There's no detention at your school.

SPEAKER_05 23:28

There's literally like and like also these they don't understand that like we would have been called before the end of the day.

SPEAKER_03 23:37

And then Whitney comes in with she back.

SPEAKER_05 23:40

Oh yeah, and I said, and then oh yeah, because after that with Kennedy. Whitney took it up a notch, and then yeah, and then Whitney's like, Oh Morgan, I also have some bad news. Somebody punched me in the face today. And Kennedy.

SPEAKER_03 23:57

Yeah, and I was like, he's like, oh yeah, yeah, I was there, I saw it.

SPEAKER_05 24:03

Okay, and like her face is like each other's so good. I love it. Um Kennedy, I'm scared for when she like literally becomes a teenager and starts lying because the two of them, the little beach, because they didn't rehearse, yeah, and she yeah, so it's like stand-up comedy, but like their faces, they kept it serious. Like they weren't like I'm just kidding, like right away, like you did.

SPEAKER_03 24:26

No, like I love that like Whitney was like, Oh, I'm gonna say I got punched in the face. So she says it, and then Kennedy's like, Yeah, no, yeah, and I was there, and she played off so well, it was brutal, blood everywhere, it was really good. Like, she was like, Yeah, I saw the whole thing, like, and she even named a name, and she was like, So-and-so did it.

SPEAKER_05 24:44

Charlie, and I was like, Charlie, the one that like is in love with you.

SPEAKER_03 24:49

And Whitney's like, Oh, oh yeah, and then they're like, You don't love me no more. There was like a pause, and they're like, April Fool! And we're like, Oh boy. Didn't see that one right after the first one. Every 10 minutes, it was like they're like, Hey I have something to tell you. It's bad news. Like they kept leading with the bad news bit, and then I'm like, Oh boy, what happened now? And they're like, April Fools. So it was like it was like two hours straight of just April Fool's jokes, like every 20 minutes or something. Me and Daddy are

Welcome Back

SPEAKER_03 25:25

breaking up because like it went from like the move to principle's office to like assault. I know like in two seconds, and I'm like, well, I guess anything goes. Oh my gosh. Oh, it was so funny though.

SPEAKER_05 25:41

Anyways, anyway, take it away, March, May madness.

SPEAKER_03 25:46

So May, one of us is going on vacation.

SPEAKER_05 25:52

One of us. It has been planned. Well, not planned, been being planned for two fucking years. Yeah, I'm honestly like just so I'm not like I don't want it to be over, so don't like get the wrong impression. But I also like I'm ready for it to be over. Like you want to do it in the world. It has been the last couple of months, just especially, as well as like this month, and like until we're there, where it's like, and then we'll be like, did we forget something? You know what I mean? But like, wants like, is everything gonna work out? Like, where's my dress? I last minute ordered another wedding dress, and it's not here yet, and I need it probably to be altered. And then um Glenn does not have his suit yet. And I wanted to on our date night on Sunday, like, let's just go get your suit. And so we had plans to do it, and the day comes, and he's like, I'm not feeling it. And I was like, Oh my god, thank god we have planners over there to handle everything. But I'm like, I don't even know what to pack. I just feel like totally unprepared. I haven't gotten I haven't written my vows, I haven't gotten him his gift together. So I'm just like, Yeah, stressful.

SPEAKER_03 27:17

That's a lot, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:18

There's a lot going on, but somehow uh 21 days from now.

SPEAKER_03 27:23

Yeah, well, I mean you're getting it handled. Trying. Bit by bit, inch by inch. Is it 21 days?

SPEAKER_05 27:30

Oh, I was wrong. It's not 21 days because there's 30 days in April. Oh, we have 40 days. Oh, thank god.

SPEAKER_03 27:36

I was gonna say 21 days seems like very.

SPEAKER_05 27:38

Yeah, I was like, oh my god. Um there's something in my eye. Sorry guys. Um, but yeah, I was like that, like my shit is not together. Yeah. And then today I was like, okay, like worst case scenario, if the fucking plane goes down and we both die, I have to draft legal paperwork for where my little chitlins have to go to, who they're allowed to go to. And I'm like, you know, not everything is like fun in wedding planning. Especially, you know, a destination wedding. But anyways, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:12

So well, anyways, so we will be having we have like a we have a special book coming tomorrow that's not just our May choices, right? And it'll be a project over probably seven or eight weeks. It'll be, it's gonna be a process. We can tell them. Okay. Well, we ordered a book, and it's a beast.

SPEAKER_05 28:36

Before we say the name, let's kind of like talk about it. Yeah, it's like 750 pages, pending um which like publisher you buy it from, or not publisher you, but whatever, yeah. Paperback, hardcover, whatever. But I saw what brought this on is I saw a trailer for a movie that's coming out in I think June. And I was like, yes, super fascinating. I've also played video games that have the game inside of it, and I've watched um a very popular TV series that is very similar to the vibe, and so I was, anyways, saw this trailer on Instagram, love it, and as you know, we do like the Midnight the Cinema Society. So I like to forward on all these like creepy trailers that I see to Lauren, and I dive into the comments because I just you know, I I thrive in comment sections. Oh, I always read the comments, yeah. I don't participate necessarily, but like there's select few that I've never participated in. So, but I just kept seeing and what I thought was a movie title, and I was like, How have an hour this movie? So, like hundreds of people were like the you know, saying it over and over and over and over again. And so I put it in and the book popped up. No TV show, no movie or film or whatever, and I was like, Oh, and then I did some research on it today, and I'm like, yeah, this is gonna be fucking wild. So I brought it up, she got on board right away, ordered the two books, and they're coming tomorrow.

SPEAKER_03 30:26

Yeah, so we decided we're going to cover this book over the course of many weeks because we've watched videos on this book, and people say that it not only is it thick, like she's thick, right? She's a thick one. She's thick. But thick but the way it's written is not like a standard front-to-back novel novel. There's like pages where there's one word, there's pages where it's written like diagonally or upside down. There was like one person who had said that like you have to try to piece together the first letter of the word with like the next word. Letter of every sentence is like a word, and like you have to put that together, and then like you have to kind of go back and forth, and and then it's like ends up being four stories within one book.

SPEAKER_05 31:25

Yeah. And it's like the main story, and then the second story of the main story is the main story getting edited, and then there's um maybe even another edit on that, and then it's and then the last one is from the author's point of view, or something. It's gonna be it's yeah, okay, you guys, when I went on Amazon to like search for this book, you know what popped up? The study guide for it written by the author for this book. Yeah, they want you to fucking break it down.

SPEAKER_03 32:06

Yeah, it's gonna be so good. So, yeah, we're excited.

SPEAKER_05 32:10

And it's kind of written like an academic text, like a thesis.

SPEAKER_03 32:16

Yeah, I'm I'm I'm not gonna lie, I'm a little nervous. It's gonna be I'm a little nervous, but it's gonna be fun and interesting.

SPEAKER_05 32:23

And it'll and and it'll be a healthy challenge, but it's also supposed to be one of the scariest horror novels available. It took a decade to write. The man started writing it in 1990. It was published in 2000, and yeah, so it's been out for 26 years. Yeah. 20 almost. Anyways, it's called House of Leaves.

SPEAKER_03 32:56

House of Leaves. So Yeah, so it's supposed to have like backrooms, vibes, like all backrooms.

SPEAKER_05 33:05

Instead of like if you played the video game or seen the show Severance or the movie that's coming out, which I can't recall the name of that movie that started all of this.

SPEAKER_03 33:15

Um I think it's actually just called Backrooms.

SPEAKER_05 33:17

I think it is too. However, the book um there's backrooms, but it's in a house. So house was purchased, family moves into New said house, notice something that's there once they moved in that they didn't notice upon inspection. And um it turns out that the house is way bigger than the floor plan. Yeah, and it's supposed to be scary as yeah, so I'm excited.

SPEAKER_03 33:50

Yeah, I'm excited to see how that's gonna go.

SPEAKER_05 33:53

And oh gosh, and then I'm gonna like walk around my house and like check for back rooms, like pressing on all the walls just in case.

SPEAKER_03 34:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 34:02

Yeah, I wouldn't go.

SPEAKER_03 34:05

I would be like close it right back up. Uh no. And then we're gonna re-plaster over everything.

SPEAKER_05 34:11

Not only that, but like I'm finding like the biggest piece of art that I have and covering it up. So like keep the kids from like accidentally falling through the wall into the fucking backrooms.

SPEAKER_03 34:21

Yeah. See, that's a situation where I would just be like, fuck it, I'm leaving.

SPEAKER_05 34:24

I'm just burn the house down.

SPEAKER_03 34:26

There's nothing, I'm not doing this. Yeah, I'm not risking my two-year-old wandering or my three-year-old, he's three now. Three now.

SPEAKER_05 34:33

Wandering into a demon-infested backrooms, yeah. No.

SPEAKER_03 34:39

Oh my god. That's a no for me. So yeah, keep an eye out for those episodes, you know. Um, it's gonna take us a little bit to get through it from what it sounds like. Um but it'll be like, you know, it'll be just like a little side quest. Fun extra side quest.

SPEAKER_05 34:57

Yeah, it'll be a little side quest. And so you might get one a week, you might not.

SPEAKER_03 35:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 35:04

We're gonna we're gonna really deep dive this one, y'all, and it's gonna be fun.

SPEAKER_03 35:07

You're gonna like go into the back backrooms of our minds to find.

SPEAKER_05 35:12

I'm like almost like maybe I'll add on the study guide, and we can use that too, and like how we break it down.

SPEAKER_03 35:22

Yeah, it might make it easier for us.

SPEAKER_05 35:24

And like use that to provide for you guys as well as we're going along. Like, we'll be we'll be like classes and session. You know what I mean? Let's do it. Yeah, I'm down. So all right.

SPEAKER_03 35:39

Well, all right. Well, why don't you kick us off? Yeah, let's move on. So, so let's get into what we're here for.

SPEAKER_05 35:50

Finally, like 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_03 35:52

So, yes, we are reading Play Nice by Rachel Harrison, and we're really excited. This book is really good. It's can't put it down, like witty, it's kind of funny in some parts.

SPEAKER_05 36:05

I love her character.

SPEAKER_03 36:06

She's the characters are really well written, they're all like complex, but like really interesting. I want, I like, I want to sit down and like have a family dinner with these people. Oh, yeah, and just hear how they interact with each other. Well, because they're so interesting, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:23

And I just love how descriptive Rachel Harrison is about everything. She, every new person that Cleo, who's the main character, comes in contact with, she's describing so you can literally envision who she's speaking to.

SPEAKER_03 36:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:40

Whether it's at that memorial service or her dad or her sisters, like you can build them in your mind and see the conversation happening because of how descriptive she is, and I am obsessed with it.

SPEAKER_03 36:55

Yeah, it's really good. And like, I'm not gonna lie, this book like legitimately made me feel creeped out. Yeah, like, and I don't know if it's because I've had like a haunting experience, you know, and like maybe it's just like making me relive some of those feelings. This family is very interesting. We the story's being told through Cleo's perspective. She's an influencer, she lives in New York. I love that so much. She's very interesting. She's like 27. She's 27. She's very honest about herself and what she like who she is. She doesn't really water herself down for people. She's the youngest out of three daughters. Um, Lita is the oldest, and then Daphne, who she calls Daffy, is the middle child, and then there's Cleo. And right off the rip, we understand that the three sisters do not have any contact with their mother whatsoever. Alexandra. Alexandra.

SPEAKER_05 38:00

They call her Alexandra.

SPEAKER_03 38:02

And like second page in, you liter you read a f that their mother has passed away. Yep. Heart attack.

SPEAKER_05 38:13

And like that's all the information that's that's all you get. That's released to Cleo since we're her point of view. That's all she knows. Yeah. For a little bit of time.

SPEAKER_03 38:22

And Cleo doesn't start crying. She's you know, she's at she's out of motion. Yeah, she's at a work event. She doesn't cry.

SPEAKER_05 38:30

She was walking home with that. Yeah, she was gonna take home a guy.

SPEAKER_03 38:36

She's kind of like kind of toying with this guy, you know.

SPEAKER_05 38:39

She's you know, she's she's feeling the sitch.

SPEAKER_03 38:42

And um, yeah, she gets a phone call. And and it's funny because the guy is like, you know, waiting with her and he and she's getting teary-eyed over hearing the information for and she's like, Are you fucking crying, Raina? She's like, she's like, you know what? Get out. I don't want to hang out with you.

SPEAKER_05 38:55

Like, she literally says, like, literally, actually, I changed my mind. Get out of my cab. You're not coming home with me. Good day.

SPEAKER_03 39:02

Yeah, and that's a boss bitch move.

SPEAKER_05 39:06

I love that. I would do that.

SPEAKER_03 39:08

And you kind of get like a sense, like, right here in like these first couple pages of how like their dynamic works, where Cleo gets the phone call in the news from her middle sister, Daphne. And Daphne is kind of like, okay, Lita wanted to be the one to tell you this.

SPEAKER_05 39:23

And Lita's like, I was gonna tell you.

SPEAKER_03 39:25

Lita's like typical eldest daughter, overbearing, like just not overbearing, but she's like very much so in charge, mom mother figure. And everybody seems to be very concerned about Cleo for some reason and how this is gonna affect her and everything. But they're all like I noticed like they treat Cleo like a baby. Like, yes, she's the baby of the family, but they treat her like a baby. Obviously, something has happened, even though she's she isn't she's a grown woman, yeah, makes really she's really doing really well for herself, she travels a ton. She travels a ton, she's an influencer, she makes influencer money.

SPEAKER_05 40:03

She, yeah, and I don't know what that means because that can be very different for very different influencers, but the fact that she tells us that she's able to travel so many places, that's like you know, these sponsors are flying her all around the world, and she has enough money to live in an apartment by herself in New York City. She's making very good money.

SPEAKER_03 40:30

Yeah, she's doing really well for herself.

SPEAKER_05 40:32

Yeah, and even though people scoff at her job, like it's not a real job, but they can't. I eat her sisters, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:40

They can well, not Daphne, because Daphne, I think she says, I'm sorry, you you go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 40:45

Yeah, I was just gonna say, like, they can fuck off because like her money is still green, yeah, still spends, you know.

SPEAKER_03 40:52

Yeah, and well, she does feel she seems to be more comfortable with Daphne because Daphne, I think she explains, like, is kind of the closest to her, especially when it comes to careers, because Daphne's a chef, so she's um, she does that for a living, and then Lita, I'm not quite sure if they say exactly what she does. Um, yeah, um, but it's like kind of like a responsible job. I I know Lita's husband, yeah, Tommy. He's a he's a therapist. He's a therapist, yeah. And Tommy, I I love him so much so far. Um, but so basically they all make plans to meet at their at uh Cleo, three sisters' um father's house. Yes, and he lives there with his mom, wife, their stepmom. Amy, yes. Amy. They meet at her dad's house, Cleo. So I'm gonna start just like talking about Cleo.

SPEAKER_05 41:42

Dad come pick her up.

SPEAKER_03 41:43

He did come pick her up.

SPEAKER_05 41:44

Yeah, he he lives a few hours away from in New Jersey.

SPEAKER_03 41:47

Yeah, so she did kind of like use her like youngest child, like so she knows she she explains she knows how to work it. Yeah, she she knows how to work it. People don't say no to her, they don't say no to her. The only people that say no to her are her sisters, yes, and really mainly Lita.

SPEAKER_05 42:02

Yes, so and she's gorgeous. All these girls are gorgeous, beautiful, however, Cleo is described as looking nothing like her father and looking everything like her mother, and then Daphne being the one that is like the prettiest one of them all, right? Yeah, I believe so, yeah. But they have weird ticks, I think, from growing up around their mother, who we'll get into later, but they each I think there's issues around surrounding food, so I don't know if somebody's bulimic or something like that, but we're just unraveling like a core family. I mean, every core family on the face of fucking earth has issues, has their people, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:50

They have like their yeah, they have their little quirks, and I will say, um Lita, I I'm the eldest, and so it's like I can understand her wanting to protect the youngest, especially since Cleo seems from what they kind of say, like at the sisters themselves, they make it seem like Cleo is the most vulnerable, and I don't know if it's because she's younger or if she doesn't quite remember the trauma as much as they did.

SPEAKER_05 43:25

So I think something fucked up.

SPEAKER_03 43:28

Yeah. Well, so so kind of like what we when we talk about this trauma, right? Well, and I don't I'm not even using like quotes, I don't mean it like that, but when we talk about this trauma, the how so their mother the reason why they don't talk to their mother anymore is that they had kind of an abusive relationship with their mother. So mom and dad separated um and there was talk that dad cheated on mom with the dance instructor. Cleo's dance instructor. We don't know Amy. Yeah, we don't know for sure. Right, it's kind of still not really confirmed.

SPEAKER_05 44:03

Well, she hasn't confirmed it with her father. And the mom basically left it to her, uh, you know, this information after she's already died. So she can't really even have a conversation with her mom about it either.

SPEAKER_03 44:20

So the general consensus between the three sisters is that their mom had lost their her mind because she was always talking about their house that they grew up in as kids before their dad kind of took over with custody because mom was an alcoholic, she was abusive, and she blamed all of these issues on the fact that their house was possessed by a demon. Now, the girls themselves, other than Cleo, because we'll kind of talk more about Cleo, but as far as like the older sisters go, they're very much so was mom was a crackpot, she was an alcoholic, she was abusive, she sucked, right? Cleo was around seven-ish when they kind of talk about like what took place in that she was like really, really young. So her memories with this aren't like she doesn't she like Cleo never says, like, okay, the house wasn't haunted, but she also says, like, I do know mom did smack us around a little bit, you know. I do remember mom's lips being purple because of like no drinking wine. So that's kind of like the general consensus is that mom is a black sheep, nobody talks about her, nobody talks to her, and up until her dying, nobody had any contact with her at all, period.

SPEAKER_05 45:40

And even in her death, only Cleo shows up to go for her like remembrance and it funeral, but she, you know, she cremated, but her urn was there. But I just wanted to point out, like, uh in this first part when we're going along and we're reading, the mom, and we know this from like the get-go, the mom had written a book, written and published a book that came out about her experience. Yeah. And it had been out for a long out of print. Yeah. And so the three sisters made a pact amongst themselves, and I believe maybe even the mother and the stepmom that nobody ever reads the book. Yeah, ever.

SPEAKER_03 46:29

Nobody reads it.

SPEAKER_05 46:30

And up to this point, nobody's had an interview. Yeah. Um, but I guess, well, I think the father did. I do think their dad did, and he was horrified at what he read, and that's when he said, Promise me, girls, you'll never read this book.

SPEAKER_00 46:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:48

And so they made that promise and they've kept it. So, yeah. Where should we go from really there? I think.

SPEAKER_03 46:56

Well, I mean, because we could definitely so so Cleo does go to the funeral. She's yelling, funeral remembrance, whatever.

SPEAKER_05 47:02

Her dad picks her up from New Jersey. She gets what she wants, she's hung over, she's feeling like shit. She has laundry to do, hasn't packed, you know, she's one of those people that's just like, da-da-da. You know, I'll get there when I get there. She's not in a rush because she knows what she's gonna walk into when she gets back to the house with like all the family and the sisters. I don't think she's dreading it, but she's just like, I'm not in a rush. You know what I mean? Yeah, I know what to expect. And so dad comes, picks her up. It's like a couple hours, a little over two-hour drive to get to his house from New York, downtown New York City, over the bridge in New Jersey, New Jersey. And then she walks into the house.

SPEAKER_03 47:47

Yeah, her sisters are drinking sangria, they're really letting their feelings be known about how they feel about it. Yeah, they're just kind of they're very much so like I don't like really care that mom died, you know? And you know, they did say, like, you know, we aren't quite sure about the funeral plans. There is one family member that Lita speaks to, and that is Alexandra's sister, Helen. Yeah, um, but it's kind of like a very rocky relationship where like they're talking to each other, but it's there's a very strict rule that they do not talk about Alexandra. Yes, period. And you can tell that Lita is like Lita and Daphne are really trying to keep something from Cleo. And Cleo is just kind of like, I don't understand why everybody is on eggshells around me. And you know, right off the rip that you know, they do find out okay, there is gonna be like a little service held. And so Cleo is like, I'm I'm I wanna go. I'm going. I'm going. And they try to talk her out of it. They try something like that like the longest. Yeah, they're like, Why would you even want to go? She was abusive and she was this and that.

SPEAKER_05 48:58

Those people, they're gonna get in your mind, but they're gonna spoil you.

SPEAKER_03 49:02

Like, so her mom surrounded herself with people who are magical, magical. Yeah, but like they're like they're like their boyfriend. Her boyfriend Roy was, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 49:15

Right. So picture Ed and Lorraine Warren, those type of people.

SPEAKER_03 49:20

I love it.

SPEAKER_05 49:20

I'm around those people, yeah. Mediums, psychics, terror, card reader, all that jazz. So like people that are I love.

SPEAKER_03 49:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 49:30

Yeah, and I would have gotten along great there.

SPEAKER_03 49:32

Yeah. And Cleo, her response is well, I'll just take Tommy. Yeah. And Lita, that's Lita's husband. And Tommy's everybody loves Tommy. Yeah. We love Tommy. Tommy is like this sweet, dumb, not dumb, but he's just like very naive guy. And it's in like the way Cleo describes it.

SPEAKER_05 49:54

Very like emotionally in tune.

SPEAKER_03 49:57

Very, because I mean he's a therapist, so like, or social worker. Oh, yes. Social worker.

SPEAKER_05 50:02

Probably a little bit of a.

SPEAKER_03 50:03

But he's good with you know, the talking and stuff like that. And so he kind of is like, no, I can go with her, you know, I I can help. This will be good, you know, she won't be going by herself. And everybody kind of reluctantly is like, whatever. Like, obviously, we can't talk you out of this. Just just know, you know, we warned you. Like, we're gonna be here to say I told you so. You know what I mean? Like that whole yeah, Cleo and Tommy, they make the drive, which is like about an hour or two, you know, with traffic, to this house that like ends up being like a manor. It's like a manor, and this eccentric woman just comes like sweeping out of the house in like this like long, like silk shawl, like shawl dressed, and she's got this like magnificent hair with like streaks of gray, but it's like it's her. She just looks very much so like the type of people that her mom would hang out with, like just very eccentric, very much so like.

SPEAKER_05 51:04

And she's like, is this your house or is this a funeral home? And she's like, Oh, it's my house. This is my house.

SPEAKER_03 51:11

And the woman clearly knows who Cleo is, but Cleo's like, yeah, because she calls her by Cleo.

SPEAKER_05 51:15

She's like, Oh my god, yeah, like you're gorgeous, you look just like her. She would have been so proud of you, just like going on and on like it's a catch-up, and she does not recognize at all. She's like the fuckery.

SPEAKER_03 51:30

But she's kind of going along with it too. She's trying to be polite, you know. But Cleo's also like, she's also kind of funny because like this house is like a really cute, like gothic manor type thing. And Cleo like talks with like into detail about like her outfit that she picked out, and then she even has Tommy take pictures of her.

SPEAKER_05 51:47

Like when they're when she's leaving.

SPEAKER_03 51:49

In front of the like, yeah, in front of the house as they're leaving. Like, she does like all those like poses and stuff so she can post. Yeah, she can keep up content.

SPEAKER_05 51:58

Um, I think she was probably yeah, like it was it must have been the clothes, yeah, like the outfit.

SPEAKER_03 52:03

Yeah, so the outfit just kind of went with like the vibe of the house, and she's just like, Oh, I'll just get some I'll get some pictures of this.

SPEAKER_05 52:09

And honestly, so at least I can get some work done.

SPEAKER_03 52:12

Yeah, so she goes into this house, and then she kind of meets up with Roy, which is her what was her mom's boyfriend, and he's a demonologist, I think.

SPEAKER_05 52:20

For like 18 years they've been together.

SPEAKER_03 52:22

Yeah, they were together for a long time. Yeah, and he's you know, talking with demonologists. Yeah, like people are you know are are eating snacks, they're talking, there's people reading tarot cards. Oh, he said he has something for her. And he says, Yeah, I have something for you, but like they never actually get back together through.

SPEAKER_05 52:40

Well, he gives it to her, doesn't he? What was it? Well, she spills out the was it the room and the key, the house key. That's right, that's like the mom's jewelry. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, like so. But he was like, Let me go find that and then the lady's like, it's probably gonna be like holy water. Yeah, people are kind of making like jokes, you know, but it's very much so like a celebration of life, you know, like they're really trying to just like make the most of the fact that they're and nobody's trying like to Daphne and Lita's, they can't say I told you so because nobody harassed her about anything, it's not like a cult, and they're trying to get her to like join this cult. Yeah, nobody asked to like read her aura or her cards or anything like that. For Tommy, they did though. Yeah, but oh, can I read that part? Yeah, because you guys, I'm gonna make I ha I think, I think we're gonna get exactly what we see here. I don't know. I'm like so Tommy, Lita's husband, his tarot card read. And so they're getting ready to do this like circle. What is it called?

SPEAKER_03 53:55

Like a remembrance circle, I think is what it was.

SPEAKER_05 53:57

Like it's like a circle of remembrance or something where they're gonna probably like go over like life events with Alexandra and like you know, anyways. So he's done getting his tarot read. He's going to like join where everybody's going to join this like circle everybody's sitting at. And Cleo says to Tommy, So what's your fate? And Tommy goes, I should be more open to the unexpected. I got a something of cups, a fool, and the hanged man, which didn't look great, but they said it's more about perspective. Me over here, I'm like, something fucked up is gonna happen to Tommy in the house. We learned our lesson with Valentine. He is gonna end up hanging.

SPEAKER_03 54:48

Yeah. I think we learned our lesson with Valentine. Like, like that's my protection. Protect the innocent ones, like the sweet ones, because I'm terrified that something bad's gonna happen to Tommy after what happened to Valentine.

SPEAKER_05 55:01

Yeah, Tommy's dead. We just don't know it yet.

SPEAKER_03 55:05

Everybody like collectively agrees not to fuck with Tommy. Like, that's like everybody just knows because everybody, he's so sweet. Yeah, Rachel's fucking him up. I bet you so my last dollar. Yeah, I could see it. I could see it.

SPEAKER_05 55:23

I'm like, he's getting hung. Anyways, we'll we'll see. We'll see you guys when I'm right, and I can say I told you so.

SPEAKER_03 55:32

So while Tommy's getting his cards read, she does meet up with her Aunt Helen, and Aunt Helen is like very much so, as far as Cleo's dad's concerned, Aunt Helen is cynical. She does not like her sister's ex-husband, her husband. She has her, yeah, she has her like beliefs with that. She doesn't really go into it too much, but you know, she does kind of say, like, look, regardless of how you felt about your mom, whether I believed it or not, she believed that there was something in that house. She believed that all the negativity and all the you know alcoholism, like everything, she was because of this. It was because of this demon. And she said, I don't know if that's like some code for you know whatever she was going through. But she said in in her final days, you know, she she really believed that that's what it was.

SPEAKER_05 56:24

And she wasn't sick or anything, remember?

SPEAKER_03 56:27

She wasn't sick, and she does kind of reveal that her mom died in that house. And Cleo is like, This is news to me. And she says She's like, She was at the house when she had the heart attack. Because she died, yeah, she died of a heart attack. And she says, Did Lita and Daphne know?

SPEAKER_05 56:47

And she, you know, Aunt Helen is like, so here's like some of the first information we're getting about information withheld from Cleo. Um, not only that she still owned the house, but that she was in the house when she died of a heart attack. Hmm. Wonder how that fucking happened. And then also that the house is getting passed on to Cleo and the other sisters in her will, and so she is now a homeowner.

SPEAKER_03 57:25

Yep, and even that, her sisters knew about that and chose not to tell Cleo. And I believe Aunt Helen was also instructed not to tell Cleo. But Aunt Helen's like, why would I keep that from you? You're an adult, yeah, right? And so she's so Cleo is like kind of annoyed, like she's not like bitchy about it. She's not gonna go home and scream at her sisters, like, why didn't you tell me? But she's kind of like, I knew that they were keeping something from you, like I knew it. Like, kind of like Yeah, this is part of why they didn't want me to come to the funeral.

SPEAKER_05 57:54

What the fuck? Yeah, because you thought I wasn't gonna find out, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:58

And that's like that was like more of her thing is like this that explains why they didn't want me to come here. It wasn't to protect me from the people.

SPEAKER_05 58:05

Like, much more. If we're just seeing this, if this is just scratching the surface of what's being held from Cleo, yeah, it is definitely the book and Rachel's doing a good job of building up the anticipation for what else is being kept from Cleo.

SPEAKER_03 58:21

Yeah. They do have like the little remembrance circle, you know. Her and her aunt kind of talk about it, and she's like, you know, that's interesting. And she does kind of have one moment where she, you know, lets a couple tears fall, and you kind of start to understand that Cleo she did love.

SPEAKER_05 58:35

She only calling cry briefly, momentarily outside with Helen.

SPEAKER_03 58:40

With Helen, yeah. As they're they're like sharing a scene that's a little bit more.

SPEAKER_05 58:44

Later, Tommy's like, You can be it's okay if you cry.

SPEAKER_03 58:47

Like it's you know, he's he's really trying to be supportive.

SPEAKER_05 58:49

And I cried once with Helen, okay.

SPEAKER_03 58:51

You don't need me to cry again. So they do have this little remembrance circle, and Cleo kind of reflects about the story about when it was one of their one of her sister's birthdays. The mother, I remember, was a terrible baker. One year she botched Daphne's out-of-a box birthday cake, took us to McFlurry's for apple pies, or took us to McDonald's for apple pies and McFlurries. I guess she was she was just a terrible baker, was her thing. So they dro on the drive home, sugar high, I declared my love for McDonald's in a song and danced, kicking the back of the passenger seat. Lita complained. Daphne asked me to sit still, so I leaned over and licked her. She screamed. Mom slammed on the brakes after nearly running a red light. I shouldn't have taken you there, she said, pounding a fist on the steering wheel. You're gonna get chubby. Do you know how hard it is to be a chubby girl in school? Do you want that for yourselves to get bullied? You know what? Go ask your dad how he feels about chubby girls. The light turned green, but she didn't go. She wasn't paying attention, she was too busy yelling at us. The driver in the car behind us laid on their horn, and so mom hit the gas. The tire squealed. Thinking back on it now, I suspect she was drunk. Haven't had a McFlurry since.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:02

And that's so okay. There's so much to unpack in that. Like, we don't have the the time necessarily to like waste on unpacking that. That is so fucked up for so many reasons. First of all, drunk driving with your three children.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:19

Second of all, you come up you fuck up something when you could have just bought a fucking cake that's already fucking made at the store. And then you decide to take him there from McFlurry's in celebration of your daughter's birthday. And you ruin her birthday and give her a food disorder all in one.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:43

Because it was Lita's birthday, wasn't it? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And Lita's the one who has issues with food. Has issues with food. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:51

And she I don't know if she's chubby.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:53

She hasn't no, she said that she's very beautiful. She's a beautiful one all the time. She's just very healthy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:59

And she just eats very specific and she's picky about what, like, God, that's so sad. Women out there, don't fucking give your kids eating disorders. No. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:14

No.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:15

Promote health and wellness. Yeah. That part.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:20

But Cleo realizes that she shared this story out loud. She thought that she was having like an internal monologue. And like the group was like looking at her.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:29

And she And like wasn't Helen pissed, like looked pissed or something.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:33

I don't know. She I do know that she like Cleo kind of played it off as like, in you know, and here's to the hard lesson she taught, you know, like yeah, not like she was like, Oh fuck, I said that because she was drunk. Yeah. So yeah, because she had some shots and stuff like that, didn't she? Yeah. So so yeah, they she her and Tommy. So Cleo's becoming her mom. So they make it back to the house, and Cleo she confronts her sisters, but like it's honestly like the best confrontation ever because it's not She's like, I'm just gonna like literally come out with it. I'm just gonna talk about it, yeah. And so she says, That's why you guys didn't want me to go to the funeral. It had nothing to do with me being preyed on by like all these people. It was you guys even though Tommy was the one that got preyed on. And Lita's like, what? And he's like, I'm gonna go. I got my cards read. It was great.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:26

And um, so he just kind of goes off and does his own thing, and then um, but she says, like, you guys were trying to keep the house from me, and they're kind of like, Well, we're we want to we're trying to get rid of it, we want, we want it gone, we want it to be done, and Cleo has this idea, so she is thinking back on a girlfriend that she had in high school, went on to get a job somewhere, bought a house, ended up recording the process of her doing like all these demos on her on her property and and flipping it, and in doing so and recording the whole process and posting it, um, gained like a significant following. And she she is not shy to note that it is nowhere close to the following she currently has, but she went from like a nobody to like a semi-somebody, and so she's thinking, like, what could this do for my brand, for my following, a project for me that's like a little bit more serious and not just like promoting clothing and makeup and jewelry and all this stuff, and like, not that she doesn't love that um and love the traveling and all the things that come with it and living in New York City and da-da-da-da-da. But she's like, you know, I'll be like one of the only people that I know under the age of 30 that actually owns a house because I mean, you know, we're all living through this economy. She's living through it as as well in her in her book. Yeah, but yeah, so she's like really considering and made the decision be I think what pushed her to make the decision is the fact that they did keep it from her. Like that was a factor as well. She's like, I'm I'm gonna keep the house. I'm gonna flip it, and then we'll sell it instead of selling it, you know, as is. Yeah, we're gonna, I'm gonna flip it. It'll be my project that people can take a little bit more seriously. I'm gonna gain more followers from that. And the money that's extra, you know, we all get a piece of.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:55

So she does kind of like use her words wisely with her sisters, and she does she uses that kind of where if we want to sell it faster, we might as well. Like, if you you really want to sell it, let's fix it up, you know. And her sisters kind of make comments about like, oh, you know, what you you can't just quit in the middle of the project, you know, you have to see it through.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:15

Like, and you can't don't be calling us because we're not gonna help.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:19

And she's like, No, I got this. She said, I have the money for it. I have I I I have the time. I have the time, I can do it. And so she decides to go visit the house, and the whole family yeah, the next morning, the whole family is like kind of still treating her weird about it, so she decides to go over there secretly. Like, so she says, I'm gonna run to go get coffee. Yeah, but then she actually running to this house, and she kind of is she kind of gets like memories when she walks in the door, you know. She she knows, like she notices that it's it's old, stated, needs a lot of work. Um, she's you know, she's looking at everything, she's kind of taking It all in, and one of the first things that she mentions is this like ceiling fan.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:04

Oh, she walks in door, like, no door was left open because then she was like, Oh, that's what it was from. All right, sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:13

Yeah, no. So she walks in the house, she's kind of looking around, she notices like the ceiling fan, and you know, she just kind of looking around, and then she notices that like the ceiling fan is like turning and it's turning slowly, like slow enough where she's like, Oh, I left the door open. And so she goes and she closes the door, and you know, she walks straight into the house. That was weird, but yeah, weird, too. Weird, whatever. And so she she walks in and you know, she's kind of looking at everything, she's making a list of things that she's gonna have to fix. She's coming up with ideas, paint colors, flooring, and then she decides to go check out her childhood room. And she goes into her room, and the first thing she notices is that somebody left the light on in her room. And she's looking around and she's you know, kind of making a note of like, you know, the the pink walls and like the she had like a hot pink, like inflatable chair, you know, like very 2000s. And then she looks at her bed and the covers like it's unmade. And she said that she can almost see the impression of a body laying in the bed. And she's thinking to herself, like, does she fucking die in my bed?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:20

Like, yeah, she's like, and it's not even like a fucking house, but she's in my fucking bed.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:26

And it's not even like a sadness thing, it's more like a did she really just fucking die in my fucking serious?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:32

Like, that's the cherry on the city.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:33

And it was kind of like it kind of made me chuckle a little bit because she was more, it was like, for fuck's sake, like she died in my bed. And so she's kind of looking around and then she notices that there's a book on the table, and she goes over And it's like it's like falling apart, falling apart. Like she said, it literally falls apart in her hands.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:51

The spine is like gone. Yeah, like it's obviously been read through like a bunch of times. But tons of like pages are actually like are missing, and it's like, I wonder how that book ended up like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:03

And we'll get back to that book too, because it's it's important.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:05

But we I need to get through this next part because she should tell them that and it has come up before she went to the house, but supposedly go going into this. What we learned in the very beginning is that the demon lives in her closet.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:27

Yes, she does. Like, she's kind of like she talks about like little memories like here or there. She's like, Oh, we used to build forts in there, and we used to do this in here. And then she said, Oh, yeah, and that's where like I had like my what was she said, like imaginary friend or something like that, wasn't it? Or no, her mom had said something about that, but um she said that she she would because her sister's room was above her her older sister shared a room downstairs with her mom. She was downstairs with mom. Her older sister shared like this big room that was upstairs, and she could hear them whispering. She said yeah at night.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:58

She originally, when they like first moved into the house, her mom, I know, her mom um like let everybody choose where they were gonna like live, like what rooms, and she was like upset because she wanted to live upstairs next to her sisters, be with her sisters, but she was downstairs with her, you know. The mom basically like guilt tripped her to like you know, you don't the mom didn't want to be alone downstairs, but like she so she chose Cleo, right? So, anyways, and she was like kind of harbored like a little bit of like resentment that the two sisters got so close, also like of course they were closer in age and older, but also because they got to like share a room and live together, and she really felt left out of that, and so she would say, Yeah, when she was like at night, you know, trying to sleep, or maybe even get woken up from them like talking, conversing in the middle of the night, and she's like, But like it's it was just kind of like garbled. I couldn't really understand it, it almost like didn't even sound like their voices, and it was in a different language. Yeah, but like she still doesn't like put two and two together yet because she like makes some excuse for it sounding weird because it's going through like old wood in an in like an older house, and and I'm like, oh my fucking god. When I was like, bitch, you're just like saying this so nonchalantly. You you're like you are not putting puzzle pieces together at all. Like her mind is totally still in like preservation mode, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:48

Like, I mean, and and again, she was the youngest, so like she remembers things differently than like her sisters did. And maybe, and you know, with like the whispering and stuff, like I'm obviously thinking that that was like the demon, right? Uh yeah, like obviously her mom was probably different, yeah. And but like different languages where they just up there in the middle of the night, like coming up with their own foreign, like yeah, and I'm thinking too, like, you know, obviously when you're older, it's harder for some people to be able to accept these things. Whereas like kids, you know, they're younger, they're more susceptible to the stuff, and so she was younger, she was alone, like her mom was drunk half the time. You know, I do think that the demon was obviously feeding on her mom, but and we'll get into all that, like I'm sure more later. But yeah, because you know, kind of getting forgotten, yeah. Yeah, so it's just like my musings. But so getting back into it, she picks up this book and she notices that it's made out to Cleo, like to herself, and her mom's book had my name get on here, right? Yeah, it's her it's her mom's book. So the title of it is Demon of Edgewood Drive: The True Story of a Suburban Haunting. And then she's noticing that there's like notes, it's annotated, it's written in her mom's handwriting, and um, so she she's kind of looking at it, and then she hears like a like a scuffling almost, and then she feels something run across her foot, and she's like, Oh my fucking god, she loses her fucking shit, loses her shit, and she starts running. She's like, I get me the fuck out of here. There's mice, right? So she's and she's not even like the potential of like a ghost story or whatever. She's literally like, Oh my god, there's mice. Yeah. So she goes running and she comes out to like the doorway where she sees the fan, and the fan is spinning like like somebody turned it on. It's like she, I think she says like a helicopter blade. Yeah, she's like, it's like woo-hoo, just it's just going. And she's like fumbling with the door, like she can't unlock it fast enough because she's so scared. And in that moment, she feels like something is watching her. She's like, There, I something is in here with me. I feel the eyes on me, and she's like, she's like fumbling with the door. She manages to like get out, locks the door with her key, and then runs to the car. And like the first thing she she says that she gets in the car, she's like catching her breath, and then her phone rings, and she literally says, My phone rings, jump scare. I thought that was just like really funny because I was like, I was getting like anxiety. I could feel like like fingers down my own spine.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:27

I was like, and this is just didn't she say something cold on her neck? Yeah, something cold on her neck, like fingers, like fingers grabbing her neck, like caressing her neck, yeah. It was like, and so she like jumped out of her skin, freaks out, and I just feel you know what I feel? This fucking demon is so fucking ballsy. Like, you know, all the stories, like if you're watching like those ghost stories on TV and stuff, like usually these demons be like very slow to start. And I'm like, this dude's just like going. Right off the rip. Like, boom. We're gonna give you a heart attack.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:03

I'm not convinced it was a mouse that like was fucking with her feet.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:06

Like I like, did she see it?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:09

Yeah, she just assumed it was a mouse.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:10

Yeah, and she just sprinted out and first of all, I don't even think I would have the gall to be going to that house by myself in the first place. I'd be like, I have to, Tommy, get in the car.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:26

She does say that too. She does say, she says, like, I don't know if I can come back here by myself. And she's like, I might Well, that's not this part. I'm gonna have to get a boyfriend. Is it part two? Oh, wait, no. Because she makes like an offer of the colour. I'm gonna have to get a boyfriend. Yeah, she's like, I'm gonna have to get a boyfriend because I can't come back here by myself. And she kind of because the boy that she was talking to in the beginning is it was like Ethan or something. She's like, I'll call Ethan. Maybe I'll just call Ethan. So yeah, she uh she goes home. Like her sisters are like, Where's the coffee? You said you're getting coffee, and so she gets coffee and like pastries and everything, and she goes home and she like she takes off her clothes, she's like, I'm getting in the fucking hottest show taking a hot shower, peel my skin off of the shoes in the washer, like she is just like yuck, but she's like, That was fucking creepy, and um, yeah, you know, the family, you know, her sisters don't really say anything, but her dad, her and her dad, the they go for like a family walk, and her dad is kind of like you didn't go get coffee. He's like, You you went to the house, didn't you? And she said, Yeah, I went to the house. And he's like, you know, I just want to make sure you know, like, you can tell me the truth.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:32

He's like, you know, maybe I don't fully support that you want to do this, but he's like, I believe that you can do whatever you set your mind to. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:40

And so he's you know, kind of like giving his he supports her support, yeah, and wanting, and he approves of her doing the project.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:50

Yeah, so she kind of gets that from her her dad. And so, you know, the the funerals over the you know, kind of like the excitement of like all of this, and I say excitement loosely, like obviously it's not exciting that mommy. Okay, we're not like when you say exciting, yeah, but it's like it's not like a happy thing, it's just like the a lot of they got over the hump of like this whole thing, and so they're kind of going back, everybody's going their stuff back into life, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:14

And so talking about when they're gonna meet up again for like a family holiday memorial day or some shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:20

Yeah, yeah. So, um, so she goes back to New York and she starts to read some of the pages from the like the band book.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:35

She started reading it in the house, in the house, and she was like, So she said the first time she because she said she went to her room at her dad's house. She was reading the book, and she's like, I locked my bedroom door for the first time since I was 17 years old, making out with my girlfriend from school, because she obviously announces that she's bisexual, and and she was locking her door because she didn't want her family to like walk in on her reading this banned book. Yeah, that she wore to banned she would never read. And now she can't put it down.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:10

She's fucking hooked, and she's reading like so the way the mom wrote this book, she wrote it as kind of like you know, like the beginning of every like scary haunted house movie, you know. Fresh start, we're moving into this new house with the kids. I let the kids pick out their own rooms, and like you know, mom starts off out like very positive, and she says, you know, the two eldest wanted to share a room upstairs, but of course, my you know, my youngest, and she changed all their names for the book, but she says, you know, my youngest wanted to stay on the bottom floor with me, and again, we kind of talked about how Cleo was like I don't remember that way, but okay, and and she's making notes, and like her mom has made notes in the margins of these books, and she says, you know, the first night she made peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for the girls, let them watch TV. She has like a glass of wine, you know, they just got done moving, it's stressful.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:04

And she comes down to the kitchen and there's peanut butter like smeared all over the kitchen, all over the wall, and then all the doors in the cupboards are wide open, which is like if that happens to you, that's immediately signaling a demon. I'm leaving. Like, there is nothing that's going to open up all of your cabinets and your child did not do that, and if they did, it wasn't quiet. You heard it happen.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:36

Yeah, so the first thing she does is she calls the daughters in. She's like, Well, who did this? And they're like, It wasn't me. And she's like, Well, it was one of you, and Cleo, she's kind of looking at the youngest, and the youngest is she said, looking at my youngest, like she would have had to have like gotten up on the counters to have been able to smear this pimper. So she's you know, she's looking at each kid, and the way she describes it as like, Okay, they're obviously lying to me, you go to your room and you go to sleep. But then Cleo says, That's not how it actually happened. She slapped a shit out of her sister, yeah, out of Daphne. And and like the mom even does like acknowledge in the annotation, she says, I know that that's not how it actually happened, and I I will regret that forever. And and so, yeah, so like you know, kind of more stories keep kind of coming out as we're reading the book that her mom wrote, but then through the annotations and then through Cleo remembering how things actually happened. Yeah, and there was a situation where again in the mom's book, she tells about like one of like the first major incidents was they they had built like a bunch of forts out of cardboard boxes from when they moved and blankets, and they made like apparently they made a really good one, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:56

It was all fun, like sturdy sturdy, and she said she said the girls could keep it up indefinitely, like it was a solid one, good fort, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:07

And so she's sitting on the couch, the girls are in bed reading a magazine, and she notices the little door which is made out of a blanket, it's like flapping open, flapping open. It's like, isn't it yeah, like a breath? Like, exhale, inhale, and so she's like, guys, like I just put you to bed, go upstairs. And so she's like, Cleo. She's saying Cleo, but obviously the name has changed. But she's like, Cleo, Cleo, what are you doing out of bed? And Cleo comes walking down the stairs and she's like or over the balcony. Yeah, she's like rubbing her eyes, she's like, What's what's boring? What are you saying about? And Alexandra looks at the fort, gets up, and like runs over, and she just rips starts fucking tearing it apart. She rips it apart, is like kicking it, like just tearing it apart. And there's nothing in there, nothing, or I mean, none of her children.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:01

There's no one in there in there.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:03

And like the kids kind of come down, they're like horrified.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:06

They're like, what is she like? Could you imagine? They're probably devastated. Like they spent so much time putting it together.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:15

It was like just to see their mom like kicking the shit out of this fort, like yeah, in the middle of the night. And oh my gosh, she goes, like, you know, the other two girls like go back upstairs, and Cleo's like, I'm gonna go get some water. And she's kind of like, she described her as like, you know, my spunky, defiant, like little girl. And you know, she drinks some water, and oh, and the thing too is the water they had to get it out of like a Brita filter in the fridge because mom went to go run a bath, and the water was pitch black, and it stumped when she said like sulfur, and that was before the girls came over to the house, and so she had a plumber, like a plumber, come out and check it out, and then she's like, But everything was fine.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:58

He, you know, clear water and it all and she's like, Well, how did that happen that one time? And he's like, Look, if you're worried, then just like don't let your kids drink out of the tap, like just drink filtered water and like call me if you need me again.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:13

Yeah, but he's like, I don't know what to tell you, the water's perfectly fine. Yeah, it's clear, there's nothing going on, and so so yeah, they're having to drink water out of these Britta filters, and um mom and Cleo are having a discussion, and she's you know, Cleo kind of mentions that when she mentions about like her like hearing the voices in her closet, like the oh you know, I the man in my closet told me this.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:38

Or not the man that um so she sends her to bed and then she ends up like walking past her room and hears her talking to someone, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:55

So she says, And then you know, I always I've always been honest with my daughters, and her and so Cleo asks her, Why did you take down the fort? And mom says, I thought I saw something inside the fort, it scared me. And Cece says, Oh, and she said, She so mom says, like you had said something before that there was something in your closet, yeah. And Cleo's like, Yeah, and she said, Well, why did you say that? And she said, Because there is, I don't know what it is, and she said, How do you know it's there? And Cleo says, I hear it. Well, what does it sound like? And she shrugged, and it occurred to me that maybe she was hearing normal house sounds, nothing out of the ordinary. The pipes, her sisters moving upstairs, the floorboards creaking. Maybe there was nothing wrong with the house. I just wanted to believe there was, instead of accepting that something may might be wrong with me. So she never really fully specifies, but then there was there's more. There's more. So the next morning, so like uh so she said, after all of this, on the way back to my bedroom, I passed by Cleo's room and I heard her awake and whispering. Yeah. I pressed my ear to the door, but I couldn't distinguish any words. I couldn't hear what she was saying. I assumed, I hoped, she was just talking in her sleep. Next morning, I drove the girls to school, dropped Lita and Daphne off first. When it was only me and Cleo in the car, I asked her to turn on the music, and she's like, Hey. Yeah, I heard you talking last night. Who were you talking to? She said, I wasn't talking. And she said, Well, I heard you. And she said, She likes stay quiet, like, Cleo, stay quiet. And mom's like, you know what? Never mind.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:34

She's like, Yeah, so turn goes goes to turn the music back up again, and then she hears Cleo like whisper in the back seat. He thinks you're funny and he wants to be my friend. Yeah. Fucking creepy. And then, like, current mode, current 27-year-old living in New York City, crazy popular influencer, starts to remember seeing a little shadow figure with no face and no eyes. Yeah. And it just is sh the way she writes it, it's unsettling. It's very creepy. Very creepy. Yeah, I'm scared.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:20

I I yeah, and like I said, like I don't know if it's because like I've had like a similar experience. I mean, obviously, it wasn't demonic, thank God, but it was creepy. And like that, I don't want to even think about it.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:33

Is a lot and like you'll never really and then to go from being watched to constantly being watched and toyed with something that you can't sense. Yeah that you can't your five senses are not intact with something there is something like it that that's so visceral, like you can't describe it with words. No, it's fucking creepy. That's terrifying. So yeah. Any hoozers, so yeah. We kind of went over our predictions. I think Tommy's gonna end up dead hanging in the house somehow. I think everything's gonna like go to shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:16

Yeah, for sure. To hell in a handbasket. I think they're gonna start, like, you know. I think the family's gonna like fall apart. I do think that they're gonna think that like Cleo's like going down that same path that their mom went down, and they're gonna say, like, you're gonna try to have her committed or something. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:32

Well, she's already like, she already obviously drinks. You know, she has a good time, but like, you know, she's single and she doesn't have kids and she lives in New York City and she's young. Yeah. But I think they're gonna make that into an issue. Like, oh, Cleo looks mostly like the mom. Cleo drinks like the mom. Cleo's having a psychotic break like the mom because like like that so much.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:58

Delicate. Yeah, is because she does look like mom and she seems to have like the same not tendencies, but just kind of like you know, this like she's a little eccentric. Yeah, she's quirky. You know, she's kind of got like that same thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:15

It's definitely a demon in the house.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:17

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:18

100%.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:19

100%. And yeah, she's fucked.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:22

Like, yeah, she's like honestly, I would have never gone, like the fact that we obviously have more book to read because she goes back to continue. I no. No. That fan, those fingers on my neck, that would have been.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:41

I maybe I would have gone to the house, right? Like, no, no, no. Like initially, I probably I would have gone to the house, right? Like we all told ourselves that it was just our mom. She was an abusive alcoholic and she sucked.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:53

And I don't know what more information she needed from that initial walkthrough than she got, but. I would have been literally back at the house with the family. Like, mom uh was not crazy. The demon is there. No wonder why she died there because it fucking killed her. It scared her so bad. She fucking died. And we have to burn this house down.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:21

It cannot exist. It's probably gonna be because you know how it said it's like off its back on the property, backed up against the woods, long driveway. I bet you we'll find out that it was like built on some like fucking ancient, like Poland Indian burial grounds or some shild shit and some entity. Ugh. Anyways, so well, cameras are rolling, but I definitely don't think Cleo's ready for what she's about to capture.

unknown 1:29:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:03

We'll be back next week to see if the renovation is worth the risk. Until then, stay cozy, stay spooky, and remember some stories are meant to haunt you.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:17

Bye. Bye.