Story Time: The Demons of The Rozentuin | My Darling Dreadful Thing Part 2

⚠️ SPOILER & CONTENT WARNING: This episode contains full spoilers for My Darling Dreadful Thing (Part 2). Discussion includes themes of grief, child loss, and psychological manipulation. Please listen with care.

"The air is getting thinner, and the soil is getting darker."

This week, we follow Roos and Agnes to the decaying halls of The Rozentuin—an estate that wears its trauma on its furniture. As Roos navigates a house full of carved demons and a hostile sister-in-law, she begins to wonder if love is enough to save someone from their own ghosts.

In this episode, we discuss:

• The House of Carved Nightmares: Exploring the demonic architecture of the estate.
• The Lost Child: A devastating reveal that changes the bond between Roos and Agnes.
• The Bog Theory: Does where we bury our dead determine how they return?
• The First Shovel: The chilling moment Roos decides to take matters—and Thomas—into her own hands.

Timestamps:

• 00:31 – Intro 
• 01:26 – The Midnight Draw 
• 08:09 – The House of Carved Nightmares 
• 26:34 – The Bog Theory 
• 52:42 – Present Day (The Clinical View) 
• 1:03:07 - Outro 

✨ A NOTE ON OUR STORYTELLING: To enhance the atmospheric experience of the Cozy Midnight Collective, we occasionally incorporate AI-generated and visual elements to help bring these hauntings to life.

Transcript

Intro

SPEAKER_00 0:31

Welcome back to Cozy Midnight Collective. I'm Morgan and I'm Lauren.

SPEAKER_01 0:38

And tonight we are descending further into the damp, shadowed world of my darling dreadful thing by Joanna Banbeen.

SPEAKER_03 0:46

Last week we followed Rus in the relatively safety of a new life. This week the air gets thinner and the soul gets darker. We're moving into the Rosentuan.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

It's a house that breathes grief and wears its demons on its furniture. As Rus tries to heal a broken heart, she might just be breaking the laws of the living.

SPEAKER_03 1:06

But while Ruse sees spirits, Dr. Montaug sees symptoms. Let's get into the trial, the trauma, and the thing in the bog.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

Ooh. Yeah. The way this part ends is wild. Yeah. We can't wait to share with you guys.

The Midnight Draw

SPEAKER_01 1:28

Before we step through the gates of the Rosen 2 Inn, we're pulling a card to see what energy is following us into this episode. Lauren's gonna go first.

SPEAKER_03 1:38

Breathe energy, breathe the bog energy on. This part has been phenomenal. We both just finished the book Play Nights, which we're obviously filming those for you guys. Um, we're editing currently part two, so that'll come out within a few days. So by the time you see this, that'll already be out. But we're getting ready to film part three. And I just finished the book this morning and I was gobsmacked. I was like, holy shit.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Yeah, I can't wait to get into it.

SPEAKER_03 2:14

I can't believe those last four chapters blew my fucking mind. And I'm not gonna lie, last night when I was reading it, couldn't fall asleep, so I always turn to reading. Because if I'm tired but it's just like not settling in my eyes, I'll read and it'll quickly I'll be like drifting off. Sometimes I'll wake up and the book's just like on me, and I'm like, oh well, lost my spot. But I I was terrified actually. Okay. Nine of cups, which is right side, and the devil. The devil. Oh no. Well, the devil doesn't always mean yeah, I know. But still, I know, but like you can't help but still pull that. I know when I pull death, I'm like, cool, cool, cool.

SPEAKER_01 2:59

I always try to remind myself that death is just like it could be the end of something. Like it doesn't have to be the end of something. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 3:05

And I think like sometimes the devil is that way too. Okay, so the devil and it's upside down. All right. Reversed, the devil means freedom and liberation. Thank God. Free yourself from your temptations and the poisonous things in your life. Own up to your decisions and accept your own power. Make your own choices, be your own change.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

I like that. Yeah. That's actually really nice to hear right now.

SPEAKER_03 3:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

Yeah, I like that.

SPEAKER_03 3:39

And then nine of cups that was right side up. Emotional satisfaction and contentment are present. Celebrate your achievements. I like to try to like figure out like where it is that, but obviously, I don't live in your skin and your body, so I'm like, it's those are both really good news. I wonder what mine's gonna be. I've had a rough weekend.

SPEAKER_01 4:05

A busy weekend though, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 4:06

Yeah, busy and then just emotional in some ways.

SPEAKER_01 4:13

Okay, what do we got here? Alright, so you got the hermit right side up or upright, I guess. Yeah, yeah. And then you've got Seven of Swords upright as well.

SPEAKER_03 4:23

Okay, I'm so game. What do we got here?

SPEAKER_01 4:26

Okay, so the hermit upright. So withdraw and consider your next steps in solitude. You must rely on yourself at this time, but to do so, you should take some time away from others' input. There is a healing element to this card as well. Help yourself and help others.

SPEAKER_03 4:41

How can I become more of a hermit than I already am?

SPEAKER_01 4:47

I think you just have to like not vocalize. Not that like keep it. I don't think you need to do all that. I think you just need to go alone. Like, not with your kids, not with Glenn alone. Just be by yourself. Don't worry about this. Don't worry about all of that. Just go be alone. Think to yourself. Sometimes you literally just need to go in your room and shut the door. Sometimes like that bluey episode with like the 20 minutes. Just shut the door. Everybody will be fine.

SPEAKER_02 5:28

Like just you're alive when I get out.

SPEAKER_01 5:31

Great. Yeah. What are you gonna get into for like I mean, a toddler left alone for like five seconds is dangerous. So it really is.

SPEAKER_03 5:38

They're constantly trying to. That's what I say. They're like, you're just trying to keep them from committing suicide all day long. Literally all day long.

SPEAKER_01 5:46

But they're pissed off about it, which is yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:48

You're like, oh, sorry, I saved your life.

SPEAKER_01 5:52

Okay. So seven of swords upright. Strategy or caution is required. Be mindful of hidden factors. Hmm.

SPEAKER_03 6:01

I don't know. This one's kind of scaring me.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

No, I think those are good ones. Like just take your time, just chill. You know? Yeah. I know it's hard. Like when I say chill, I I think like I've had people say that I'm a very chill, calm person. And I try to be. But there are times when I'm unhinged. Yeah. And it's so easy just to say, like, just chill out. Like, calm down. Like I'm from California, so like I talk very like chill, dude. Like, it's all good, you know. But like on the in, like on the outside, I'm like chill, but on the outside, or on the inside, I'm like breaking chairs against the walls. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

Like I'm going to like one of those.

SPEAKER_01 6:47

Um I have a rage room in my brain.

SPEAKER_03 6:50

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. One of my friends, like after Odin died, she took me to a rage room.

SPEAKER_01 6:54

That sounds dumb.

SPEAKER_03 6:55

And yeah, and it I don't it must have been like a month or two, could have even been three, but like relatively close to it. And like I didn't know what to expect, but I went and like I don't think I've ever cried so hard in my life. And it was like just so like liberating to fucking destroy everything and scream and cry. It felt great.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

I bet that sounds amazing. I mean, it sucks that those were like the circumstances that you had to go do that, but I bet that that felt really good after a while.

SPEAKER_03 7:30

I should probably go get some rage out too again. Like, let's look into that. That's my like next date night. I'm like, babe, we're going to a rage room.

SPEAKER_01 7:39

I want to go to one so bad. I've never been to one.

SPEAKER_03 7:42

They're not expensive either because you're just like fucking destroying. Yeah. Yeah. That's like donated, probably. Or like literally purchased from like.

SPEAKER_01 7:51

I was gonna say, I wonder if they like take like donations. Because like I have a bunch of shit that needs to be just bring it, yeah. Like can I bring my own shit to break? I'll pay you to take it, please. Like, I don't care. Like I am paying to be here. Can I bring it with me? I'll bring my own my own TV.

The House of Carved Nightmares

SPEAKER_01 8:11

My darling, dreadful thing, the book that you are, part two. Yep. Starts off pretty good, you know, and then the way it ends is wild. Unhinged, but really good. It's like my go-to word, wild. This book is so descriptive in such a good way. Like, I don't feel like I'm being overloaded with like details. Right. But it just enough that I feel like fed and happy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:38

And like that you can envision what things look like, and you're like kind of woven into the story yourself with the words.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

I felt like I could smell the smells that she was describing sometimes. The feelings. When we get to like the bog part, I kind of I felt like I could feel her pain. Yeah. Like I felt like I could feel like the wheelbarrow.

SPEAKER_03 8:59

And like, oh. So good. So good. So we're going to. So she moves into Rosenthuin.

SPEAKER_01 9:08

So it was her, it was her basically moving in with arrived and slept there yet.

SPEAKER_03 9:14

Or like just literally there unpacking stuff, right?

SPEAKER_01 9:17

Yeah, like she's walking into the door now at this point. So like we kind of had mentioned that like she fell in love with the house immediately, I believe. If if we haven't, then here it is.

SPEAKER_03 9:29

But it's like a very gothic it's the estate is massive and it's been in the family for generations on generations, probably like centuries. I think, I think um, what's her name? Willamine? Yeah, I think she said like 200 years or something. And but it's I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_01 9:54

I need to say this because when I was reading this book, it reminded me of have you seen Crimson Peak with you actually Midnight or Cinema Club, we're gonna watch it. I think I want to watch that with you when you when you watch this movie, because I don't want to give anything away really, because it's it's really good and you need to see the twist. Like those of you who know, you know, you need to see the twist.

SPEAKER_03 10:20

Where when's when was the movie made?

SPEAKER_01 10:22

The movie was made. Like, I want I watched it right before I went to boot camp, so like 2016-ish, 2015. Crimson was it? Crimson Peak. So it's like a woman moves in with her like her new husband and his sister. Uh-huh. Dilapidated house, I wonder.

SPEAKER_03 10:36

Old gothic connected somehow.

SPEAKER_01 10:39

I don't know. Maybe it's like an inspiration, like a loose inspiration. Yeah. But like the same type of vibes, it's I think theirs is like more like late 1800s, is like when this like that one took place.

SPEAKER_02 10:52

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 10:53

But it's got my boy Charlie Hunnum in it. Oh. He's delightful. Really? Tom Hiddleston, so the guy that plays Loki. Isn't it? I feel like I've been living under a rock that I haven't heard about this one. It's really good. And when we watch it, Charlie Hunnum. Yeah, when you watch it, it's I like was reading as I was reading this book, I was like, this reminds me of something. But it's like the house is falling apart. House is in like the family for generations, like the same situation, and a couple other things also are similar. Okay. But it's oh it's like the major twist. So it's like, no, I no. You just you have to watch it. That's all I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_03 11:32

Uh well, you know what I was getting at, right?

SPEAKER_01 11:34

I think so.

SPEAKER_03 11:35

With the like Willamine, I think so. And you know what I'm talking about. Okay, yeah, so it's not that I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

Mm-hmm. It is okay, but it's it's really good. It's it's it's tough, it's a really good one. So, anyways, let's get into it.

SPEAKER_03 11:53

So she gets in, she's fallen in love with it. She's obviously like really happy to be there with Agnes. The house is falling apart, but she sees like the beauty in all of it.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

I mean, coming from where she came from, it's easy to, I think. Like she came from being shoved into like a hole, a hole in the ground to this big, beautiful estate. The only thing that she really has a complaint about is that in her room she has a wardrobe that literally is like carved with demons, demons shit. And the demons are like eating people, like they're like graping people.

SPEAKER_03 12:30

Yeah, this she's like, This is weird, like and Agnes is like, um, I tried to move that out of your room, but like it's too heavy and too large, and so we're gonna throw a sheet over it. But like, you're gonna be staying here, like you're welcome to everything. Go explore, figure stuff out, settle yourself in. Like, here is my room. Um, I care for Wilhelmin, which is um Thomas. I'm gonna say Thomas. It is Thomas, yeah. Because I was getting his name mixed up with who is the other guy I was mixing it up with. Willamine is Thomas's sister who's like very sick with TB, and she's in like late stage, so she's not doing good.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

Yeah, they're saying like less than like six years, yeah, like six months.

SPEAKER_03 13:23

If even like it'd be a miracle if she makes it six months, yeah. And so she's busy with her all the time. So I think like the most drastic, like depressing part of it all is that that close intimacy that her and Agnes had when they were just like together on the road traveling back to the Rosenthuan is is gone.

SPEAKER_04 13:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:46

Because it's like back to reality for Agnes, where Ruse has not seen that side of how busy she is just caring for the estate, taking you know, taking care of everything that needs to get taken care of day in and day out.

SPEAKER_01 14:05

Yeah, and then she does also mention, too, that she feels sometimes left out. Like Agnes spends as much time with her as she can for the most part. Mostly like late in the evening, yeah, like she's away, because she's like they Willamine says that she's handling the affairs of the estate, but it sounds like and you know, we kind of get the truth of all that later, but Willamine when she sh when Ruth when Ruth talks to her, Willamine is very rude. She's just rude and she's hard to talk to. And she she says that she it's not that she doesn't believe that Agnes has like Peter or that Rus has Ruth. It's just that she's just very at this stage in her life, she's very cynical. I think she's ready to die. She's just over it. Her brother, who she was very close to, is dead now for like coming up on a year. So she's just over it. And so everything that she says, she's she's very bluntly. I don't know if she's I wouldn't say honest, but she just has like her words have bite to them, and she's like she's very she's meaning to cut with her words, and she's also kind of racist, especially towards Agnes. Kinda, like 100%. She's racist towards Agnes. So and it sucks because Agnes literally is up pretty much out throughout the night taking care of her, giving her meds, feeding her, yeah. Like everything.

SPEAKER_03 15:41

I don't know. Agnes must be some sort of a fucking saint because as we will cover, and as is disclosed in the book, if you are choosing to read along with us, like what we uncover about this whole fucking situation that is Willamine. I'm surprised she didn't just like oops, dump all of her meds in her food and just like fucking knock her out. Yeah. Because she, I mean, it's a book, so I can say it, but she kind of deserves to die.

SPEAKER_01 16:14

Like she is like the she is the worst. And right off the bat, she can tell that she can get away with saying certain things to Ruth because Ruth is so innocent. She has no knowledge of the world and how people are outside of like the sadness from field.

SPEAKER_03 16:34

She's not, she's been she's been kept in a fucking cave her whole life with mama.

SPEAKER_01 16:41

Yeah, and it and it sucks because but she's still intelligent. She is smart, she's a smart girl, but she just is not street smart, I would say. Like her street smarts are non-existent, not no cunningness, like she like she knows how to play people, but only through the information that she has about them. Like she has some like information.

SPEAKER_03 17:03

She wants to let that go. That's her past life. Like she doesn't want to be that person anymore.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

Yeah, so very ashamed. Yeah, so I mean, right off the bat, the house, I mean, Ruth has really no complaints. Agnes is making sure she's being fed. Uh they spend clothes, she's getting stronger because like they'll like spend like their afternoons like cleaning garden certain portion of the house or gardening or something. And so she's really just getting, she is with her life developing flourishing. Yeah, yeah. And so she's starting to like fill out her clothes. So she's just she's just looking really good now. Yeah. And on her way.

SPEAKER_03 17:39

On her way there. Yeah. So and then what what what's the Agnes's, like the she's she's there to help like with the home upkeep of the home. Oh, the Maine? Is that who you're talking about?

SPEAKER_01 17:51

Yeah. Is that her title? Is it Maid? I believe they just call her Maid.

SPEAKER_03 17:54

Like she's also from like She's also like a cook. Um she kind of does a bunch of things, but that's like the only paid staff that Agnes has like kept on. Yeah. With like the failing of the finances and all that.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

Let me see if I can find it.

SPEAKER_03 18:11

But yeah, while you're looking at that, we learn that like Agnes doesn't really have money anymore, like all the money that so I think we touched base on this in part one. When Thomas married Agnes, they were already like in financially ruined. Um, they happened to, like, by the grace of God, they kept enough together to keep the estate because it meant so much to them to keep it since it's been in the family for so long. But they have no money for anything else. Like, there's no money for a nurse for Willamine, which that'd be the first expense. I'd be like, somebody else can take care of your fucking ass. But yeah, so even though it was abnormal for like Thomas to wed Agnes because of for racial implications, like Willamine wants to say, right? She actually came with like a hefty dowry, because this is in the time of like, you know, marriage being like very much a business transaction. And you know, if you watch like Bridgerton or whatever, like women's families, their father or whoever the man in the of the family that's in charge pay a large sum of money to the husband to essentially like care for their life since they're like no longer burdened by their family any longer. Um, but he got a large dowry from Agnes's father, but all that was blown through, like all the money's gone. And all we notice a lot in this second part is that, like, yeah, Agnes is taking tons of trips every single week, sometimes for like days at a time, sometimes a week. And so Roos just gets very lonely. She's like wondering like, where is she going? What is going on? Like, I need more information. She's she's lonely, she misses her, she's she feels safe with her, and she just wants to be with her like 24-7. She's very thankful for her, too.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

And she she always talks about feeling the need to pay her back in some way because she took her out of the situation with mama. And then she's also just very like she wants to see Agnes happy. Like, she wants to make her happy again.

SPEAKER_03 20:48

And so And she thinks she's so depressed, heartbrokenly sick. And Agnes doesn't talk about Thomas.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

She refuses to talk about him. She like if she brings him up, she always says, like, I don't want to talk to him.

SPEAKER_03 21:04

If she would have just like given some sort of clue, maybe like so much could have ended different. Like the whole thing would have been a whole well, we wouldn't have the book that we have. Yeah. I'm like, oh, could have been could have gone so many ways. But anyways, I'll let you try in now.

SPEAKER_01 21:22

I've been well, so the the name of the maid, she's so she is she's the cook. But wait, what was her name again, sir? Her name is Oh, you didn't say it yet, sorry.

SPEAKER_03 21:31

I was like zoning out my brain.

SPEAKER_01 21:33

No, it's okay. I just wanted to clarify her title as cook. It is, but her name was Mrs. Van Lu Leewin. Okay. So L.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

I almost said Van something because I'm like, no, that's I think that's I think Johanna's name.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

Part of author. Like how it's set up in that culture is like it's like Van. No, but the cook is Dutch or whatever. I think she's kind of, I believe she's like. Yeah, because it says the author Joanna grew up in the Netherlands. So, anyways. So, yeah. So, I mean, basically, you know, again, Agnes, or not Agnes, Rus is really wanting to make it up to Agnes. So she's she's kind of trying to figure out, like, okay, I just want to be a companion for her, if anything. Like, obviously, she has Peter. I have Ruth, but like a living companion. And as we're going on, we're learning that Rus is developing maybe she doesn't quite understand it yet, but romantic feelings for Agnes.

SPEAKER_03 22:36

And the attachments there. Yeah. From literally before she met her. And then it was like solidified as soon as she saw her walk through mama's door. And then the rest is this journey of discovery and like what that attachment feelings, love, means to her, and how it all pieces together because she's again, she has no life experience. You know? She probably thought she was never gonna find love, she was never gonna get married, she was never gonna have kids. And I mean, we still don't know if that ever happened for her, but like she found love.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

And I will say too, I think maybe another thing too, her outlook on men has been destroyed due to Mr. Mesmin, which we get into, we'll get into, I think, in the next episode.

SPEAKER_03 23:28

No, you know what it's due to? Well, yes, Mr. Mesmin, but it's all her mom her mama's fault. Her mama's fault for sure.

SPEAKER_01 23:35

But Agnes is just like this true, she just sees her as like an angel, saving grace. And so while Agnes is away, one day, she goes for a walk around the grounds with Ruth. And she comes upon what was it, like a kind of like a miniature church that's like on the ground. And she looks in the window of this little church, and she finds that this church is filled with statues. With statues, and they're creepy AF. They're like life size, terrifying, very detailed, covered in like like sheets, I think, too. Like there's a point where as I was reading it, I'm like, oh my god, they have a building full of freaking bodies. Like I thought that they were it was gonna be revealed that they're like legit bodies, yeah. But they're statues. No, but it was just one of those things that I was just like, I was just freaked out by it too. Yeah. And Ruth is like, that's terrifying. I don't like that. I don't like the look of it. Even Ruth was like, yeah, that's creepy. Like Ruth, this adorable ghost friend that's jaws like clicks because it's broken. She's like, yeah. Her little, her little I don't like that either grudge. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:50

You've seen the grudge, right?

SPEAKER_01 24:52

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why. I just keep oh I well, no, it's like that's what I kind of pictured too. And and she was like, in the no, the grudge, the ring. The ring is the one where the girls was in the well.

SPEAKER_02 25:04

But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:05

And then we do discover too, she's like, as she's walking through the grounds, too, she's like, she gets just like, get away from that. Walks away from that. And as like, what the fuck is up with that? I question. Yeah. And then she comes upon like a graveyard, like the family graveyard, and she sees Thomas's grave, and then she does see like they have like a separate grave for a baby. For a baby, which we kind of figure out was Agnes and Thomas's baby. And so that just makes Agnes feel or a baby baby grave.

SPEAKER_03 25:36

And she's like, well, now no wonder why she doesn't look so different. Like she's she's lost Thomas. This great love of her life. She lost the baby with Thomas. So there's literally, there's nothing. Like, what is she? How is she still living? How is she still breathing?

SPEAKER_01 25:54

Yeah. And it's it's really sad because she just she she just feels like this poor woman, she's so kind, so selfless, and she doesn't even get anything out of it. And then she's also like, oh my god, like this this family line is gonna die with Willamine. Like it's just gonna be done. Yeah, I can understand why everybody's so depressed now. And yeah, so it just it just it just kind of further pushes Ruth on the path that she's gonna take.

SPEAKER_02 26:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:25

At the end of this part.

SPEAKER_02 26:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

And so before we get to that, we have to talk about her relationship with not even relationship, but her interactions with Willamine.

The Bog Theory

SPEAKER_01 26:37

So we're getting into the whole bog theory at this point. So we kind of shared before. I mean, actually, let's just get into I think we should get into how Willamine and Roos interact in this part because there's a point where Willamine's such a bitch. Yeah, Willamine's a bitch, but you can tell that she loved her brother.

SPEAKER_03 26:59

And she likes that she was in love with her brother.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

She does say that like her their father was abusive. He was a terrible man. He was not a good guy.

SPEAKER_03 27:10

Was he always, or was that just after his father died, right?

SPEAKER_01 27:14

I believe it was when his wife died.

SPEAKER_03 27:15

Or I'm sorry, when their when their mom died, I think he like became like a recluse and he got like became insane with the starting. He was obsessed with the statues, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

And the statues, I guess, always terrified the kids. They hated them. And he had them.

SPEAKER_03 27:30

He treated them like they were real people, live people.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

He was obsessed with the statues, the kids were terrified of them, and there was a point where she said that he slit his own throat at the dinner table, and that was that. Like, so they were left on their own with like servants, and like they're just kind of on their own, and then she kind of says, like, and then he brought Agnes along, you know, and so she just like you you know that she has like resentment, resentment for her, even though Agnes is taking care of her, but we won't get into that, yeah. But yeah, yet. So there's a point where Will or uh Roos is exploring the house, and she comes across like a room to room, wing to wing.

SPEAKER_03 28:15

It's massive.

SPEAKER_01 28:17

She goes to like the I think they said it was like the third floor, which is very rarely used, like nobody lives on the third floor anymore.

SPEAKER_03 28:24

And that's Did it used to be the headquarters of like the staff, right?

SPEAKER_01 28:27

Well, so the staff was like above it. Or the fourth floor. And then the third floor was where Thomas's room and Agnes, I guess where they had shared their room. And then the second floor is where everybody, like Agnes, Willemine, and yeah, because Agnes moved her room down to be close to Willamine. Yeah, because Willemine, and then Willamine can't get up and down the stairs anymore. So it's like she's like, we only needed the one flight of stairs. Yeah. If anything, if she does leave her room. Yeah. So there's a point where Rus is exploring, and she ends up like, you know, she's she sees where they had like a school room, and the school room also has like another weird mural type thing painted on the wall, and it's like another creepy depiction of like the demons and all that stuff. And Rus and Ruth are kind of like, what kind of children would want to learn here? Yeah. And they like bump into the wall and they're like yellow, and like the walls are yellow, and like there's like a film that comes off the wall, so like if like you can tell that somebody's been in that room, you know, in your teeth because of the yellow film, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:34

In the morning, not that it's yellow, but like that's just what I like.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:38

Like you can feel it, you can feel the wall. You're like, I know it, you yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:43

So there's a point where she's kind of wandering again, like on the floor where Thomas's room used to be, and then Willamine is there, and she catches Roos, like kind of going through some stuff. Like, and Roose is not even in the room. No, but Willamine is already like on edge, and she's like, Oh, you you want to go, you want to look? Oh, fine, yeah, come on in, come look at my brother's room. And it's yeah, and you know, Ruth is like, whoa, whoa, freaked out, but then she's kind of going off, she's like, I can't leave Will Amine. Like, she's and Willamine's like huffing, puffing, like she can't. She's like, You need to sit down, she's hacking, like bloody, like so. She's like, I can't leave her here. And so it's funny because Ruth, Ruth at some point, she's like, just leave her, like, yeah, just leave her alone, she's fine. And she got up here, she'll get down. She'll get down. And so they go into Thomas's room, and Ruth says, like, it's like a time capsule, like everything is exactly where he left it. There's uh just like as if he was like he's like he's gonna come back at any minute. And she notices that there's like a watch, and on the back of the watch, it's engraved like to Thomas from A from Agnes. Yeah, and Willamine says that Agnes refused to have him buried with that watch, even though he loved the watch. He refused she refused to have him buried with it because she's like, this is like the like one of the few personalized things I have for his like I'm not getting rid of it. Yeah. And um, there's another point too where Willamine is like hacking and then she like bumps into something and she knocks her for like a cologne.

SPEAKER_03 31:13

It's like cologne and it shatters, right?

SPEAKER_01 31:15

Shatters, so the whole room smells like cologne, and so Ruth. Smells like Thomas. I yeah, we can't do it.

SPEAKER_03 31:19

Everybody smells like Thomas.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

And Will or Ruth says that there were points in the night where she felt like she could smell a man's cologne, and then she can hear the footsteps creaking. And so she's kind of like she doesn't like being in there. She's like, this is I shouldn't not be in here. Yeah, Agnes doesn't want to talk about him. Like, I this is inappropriate. So she's trying to get Willamine out of the room. She she ends up like helping her out. They go downstairs, and she's kind of tucking Willamy back into bed, and she's gonna give her some medicine. And and Willamine is just, you know, kind of going on and on about how pain, pain. Yeah, she's in pain, but she's also like, I just I miss my brother. Yeah. And so she somehow it comes up where Ruth's theory, right? So with with Ruth, or not Ruth, well, so Ruth's theory for Ruth is that oh, for how she she's so well preserved and how she came back is because she must have been buried in a bog.

SPEAKER_02 32:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 32:19

And the bog preserves bodies, and so like they basically like the decomp like flows flows, and so she thought her thought process is that if I were to take Thomas and put him in the bog, maybe he'll come back, and maybe this is the key. If I can get Thomas to come back, Agnes will be happy, Willamine can chill out, be happy, yeah. Like, I'm going to do this. And so she's talking to Willamine about it, and Willamine's like, you know what? Yeah, you should. Yeah, that's a great idea. You should do that. So you know how it works, you know how to do it. Yeah, and so she says, like, she says, okay, like, you know, there's shovels in the shed. Yeah, she's basically figuring it all out for her. Yeah, and so she points her in the direction, she's like, Go for it.

SPEAKER_03 33:08

Yeah, go to the shed, get this, this, this, take whatever else you need, like whatever you find if you think it's great. And then, yeah, when should we do it? And then she's like, We bitch, you're fucking stuck in it.

SPEAKER_01 33:21

Yeah. And so a perfect night comes up, and Ruth gathers all the material she needs. Well, sh over the course of a few weeks. A few weeks, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:33

She was planning it out, putting stuff aside.

SPEAKER_01 33:36

Yeah. So, but but yeah, like a perfect night comes up and she's like, All right, let's do it. And so her and Ruth go out in the middle of the night. She puts on like a maid's uniform, she goes, digs up poor Thomas. And like there's a point where Ruth goes into Bruce's body to help shoulder some of the because she's weak. And she's never had to do this kind of labor before. She's tired, and so they they they pull him out.

SPEAKER_03 34:03

Engrave him.

SPEAKER_01 34:05

And she right off the rip, she notices like his head is missing in the back. Caved in. Like it's just like it's not natural.

SPEAKER_03 34:14

And like his brain had spilled out.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

And so she like pulls him out of the grave, puts the dirt back over it, puts him in the wheelbarrow, and she starts, and it's raining, it's like pissing rain, it's muddy, it's difficult. She is struggling, but she's like, I'm doing this for Agnes. Yes. Her love for Agnes is so great. And so they're pushing him along.

SPEAKER_03 34:38

And then when she's trying to cross that like road, because there's like the cemetery, and there's a shared road that like the community can use, and then across that's the bog. Well, she like bumps it, trip, he fucking falls out.

SPEAKER_01 34:54

Like, like shits like his like body is like like breaking because he's so dead. And so there's a point where she's like trying to push him along, and then she's like trying to use like the shovel to like get him back into like, and so it's just like this whole struggle, and she cuts herself like deep. And mind you, she's got blood and she's got boggy water, like it's nasty. So she like her hand it's gonna get infected, it's gonna get infected. She's like gonna get a fever from being out in the in the freezing rain. She's doing all this crazy stuff, right? So she like ends up like she she she's like, Come on, Thomas, like like fuck, just come on, Thomas. And so she's Do you not want to come back or do you want to come back? She accidentally does bleed on him, so she gets blood on her blood on blood in him, and then she's like screaming at him, like Thomas, let's go, just come on. Like so she's using his name. Using his name. She gets him into the bog, but then he's he's floating water.

SPEAKER_03 36:00

So she has like she uses, doesn't she use like the wheelbarrow to like almost like has to like so she's trying to figure out how to like weigh his body down so it'll sink, and then she ends up using the wheelbarrow, like overturn it to like size him and bound the water into the bog. Yeah. And then and it almost takes her out with it. Yeah. And she gets sucked into the bog.

SPEAKER_01 36:23

Yeah, she like almost like all of this trouble. And it's like it's it's horrifying to read. Like this sweet girl dug up somebody's dead body and put him into the so much more we want to.

SPEAKER_03 36:39

We're just gonna, so we're gonna pause here.

SPEAKER_01 36:41

We had to stop yesterday and we're coming back.

SPEAKER_03 36:45

Yep. I had to take Kennedy to cheer. You had to get home to dinner, all the things. So here we are.

SPEAKER_01 36:52

But where we left off, we kind of finished up with Rus digging up poor dead Thomas.

SPEAKER_03 37:00

Poor dead Thomas.

SPEAKER_01 37:04

And burying him in the bog.

SPEAKER_03 37:07

Yeah, and so, and then we kind of touch base on Did we touch base on it in part one? Like the theory. The theory from Roos, right?

SPEAKER_01 37:17

Yeah, and then and we touch base on it again.

SPEAKER_03 37:19

Because I recall, like, in in my brain, somewhere in one of the subfolders is that conversation.

SPEAKER_01 37:27

Yeah, no, and we and we definitely and we reiterated it for this part two.

SPEAKER_03 37:30

Yeah. I know yesterday because so she had cut her hand. I don't know if it directly went in his mouth, but it was definitely mixed with his mouth and other internals when he went in the bog for sure. Because she went in the bog, her bloody hand went in the bog, everything mixed. He floated, which was a disaster.

SPEAKER_01 37:54

She's like, Oh my god. Have I not done enough?

SPEAKER_03 37:59

Yeah. She's she's totally exhausted. She spent, I don't know how she just doesn't like fucking keel over in the middle of the fucking street.

SPEAKER_01 38:07

Well, Ruth kind of keeps her going. Like Ruth is very, she's like her biggest cheerleader in this whole scenario. I would have just stayed possessed. Like you. Yeah. Well, she said that she wanted to be the one to do it. Because she oh yeah. Again, she's trying to because mama left her with that thought in her head that like once you once you've outlived your usefulness, Agnes is gonna bring you right back here. And to Ruth, that is like the biggest nightmare. And so she's really trying to again make Agnes happy for one, not only because she loves her, but also because she doesn't she feels like she needs to provide. She has to provide something. Yeah. She she had said multiple times that she feels like feed me, you've clothed me, I've got nothing. Bathe me.

SPEAKER_03 38:57

Yeah, I literally have nothing to offer. Yeah. I all I am is like an expense at every single corner. That's how I feel about myself to Glenn. Yeah. As like a as like a non-working mom. Yeah. Like stay at home. I'm like, I'm worthless. But then I'm like, this is free childcare. Yeah. You're rearing the children.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

So it's all good. Okay. I think you're good.

SPEAKER_03 39:22

I think it's important for so she she does stay in her body. And I'm not saying like the thought didn't cross her mind and like Ruth didn't bring it up, and she undoubtedly multiple times. Yeah. And undoubtedly, she was the one that like put her foot down and was like she she needed to do it for herself, which props because she was falling the fuck apart. Um but we want to talk about what happened when she got home, right? And like the collapse.

SPEAKER_01 40:02

Yeah, well, she she pretty much blacks out.

SPEAKER_03 40:04

Well, she so she gets home, she has just enough energy to literally clean herself so that way when she was found blacked out, and then the state that she was in, which was like septic shock, like if it wasn't for her cleaning herself up, I feel like Agnes would have known. And she would have been like, what the fuck, dude? Well, no, yes, but I think it would have gone in a totally different direction because she would have had a little bit more of an idea versus her this major like weight that happens. Yeah. But yeah, she was so sick. She was in bed, like I guess she was she was talking and like communicating, but it wasn't making sense. It was like fever dreams, and like she was essentially blacked out, like not there, lights on, nobody's home. Um, and then didn't she like not leave the bed for like three days? The doctor came.

SPEAKER_01 41:14

Yeah, we because that's how part three starts is like she's waking up from being passed out. Okay. And then so we don't want to dive too much deeper into that. Yeah, but essentially, yeah, she does like from the effort, the cut, the everything that she put herself through, she just her body just could not handle it. Yeah, she hasn't done like that much exertional labor ever. Like that, yeah, ever. And she remembered she was malnourished her whole life.

SPEAKER_03 41:40

Starved. Yeah, yeah, malnourished. Think of like you know what I think of is literally like a Holocaust survivor still and like shoved into like a wooden frame in the floor. Yeah, and so and she's made a lot of improvements, but not enough to go digging up at the time. To go like that's like running like a 10K after training for it for a year, you know?

SPEAKER_01 42:11

And just imagine like the dead weight that Thomas was. And Thomas was a full-grown man.

SPEAKER_03 42:15

And people don't understand I do, because not only have I like managed so many dead bodies in my career, but I have also like when people say they're not even dead, but I just have them, they're in a in an induced coma, right? Dead weight, like true dead weight, or even if you're a mother carrying your child like up a flight of stairs into bed when they're totally fucking passed out. The weight is so much heavier. And so, yeah, what she did was wild. I can't believe she fucking, I was like, oh, we're gonna get caught because there's no way she's making it across that road, and that will be girl with that dude. When he fell out, I was like, it's over.

SPEAKER_01 43:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:04

I don't even know how the I I know she I know Johanna like explained how she got him out. You know, they did the leveraging with like the dirt on one end and balancing and stuff, but I'm still like I can't believe that ha that worked.

SPEAKER_01 43:22

It's just funny. I I uh I love Ruth's, but then I love Ruth through all of this because at the end of the whole ordeal, as she's like panting and just done, Ruth says, I actually have a bookmark. Yeah, do it. Ruth say it. I love it. Her little Ruth so much. Yeah, her quips, she's so protective. She loves Ruth.

SPEAKER_03 43:46

It's like she's like another bone in her body that she carries with her. Like she's part of her, you know.

SPEAKER_01 43:55

She says it was so heavy with Thomas's added weight that I Couldn't do it. My arms trembled so much with the effort. I feared they may shiver out of their sockets. Let me help, Ruth said. She wrapped her arms around me and pulled. Together we fell back using our weight to our advantage. The wheelbarrow tottered, then landed neatly on its wheels, spraying foul-smelling mud everywhere. Panting, I wiped my muddy hands on some grass. They felt like raw pieces of steak. I began to push the contraption to the water, but the greedy ground sucked at the wheels like a toothless mouth and made them get stuck. I threw myself against the wheelbarrow to jolt it loose. All I accomplished was bruising my shoulder. I began to cry then, from frustration and exhaustion. Both. Ruth wiped the tears from my face. My sweet or sorry, my sweet, my love, let me help you. What's the use? You can possess me, but this body won't change. I'm not strong enough. I was stupid to think I could do this. I'm just a pathetic, stupid little girl. Let me bear the pain and the weariness for you then, if only for a little while. She placed kisses all over my face, little icy nips. I hugged her, rested my face into the curve of her collarbone. My eyes burned. If only I could rest them for a bit, I might feel better. And then I'm just gonna skip just a little bit ahead because she's like so. This is like where we were talking about. So the ground was so soft my feet slipped. I scrabbled for purchase, gritted my teeth, and shoved against the wheelbarrow. Come on, Thomas, you bastard. I screamed. And then this is like this last little line. Ruth says, If Agnes isn't grateful for all you've done for her tonight, I won't answer for my actions, she said. And then we both had to laugh at the absurdity of the situation. So when I finally made managed to get up so I could begin to make my way back to the Rosentouin, there was no trace of Thomas. The water had swallowed swallowed him whole and lay still as a silver salver.

SPEAKER_03 46:00

I wish I knew. I don't know why I'm so curious, like how deep the bog is.

SPEAKER_01 46:06

Yeah, that's a good question.

SPEAKER_03 46:08

Because I mean, has it deep in like alligators and crocodiles and bogs?

SPEAKER_01 46:15

I don't know about like the wildlife in the Netherlands. I don't know if they have those there. Oh yeah, I keep forgetting we're in the Netherlands. But yeah. Yeah, like because I'm thinking like, is a bog similar to like a swamp, but like cold?

SPEAKER_03 46:29

Well, because I know it's like bogs have to necessarily be cold.

SPEAKER_01 46:35

Like I think the environment of a bog would like further decompose.

SPEAKER_03 46:42

It well, regardless, like water distort or not distorts, but delays certain processes and decomposure. The cold has something to do with it, but water, especially like closer to the ground, like if we're anyways, it's colder, right? Um, and so I think there can be maybe a swamp would be a bog, but it's a swamp because it's warmer, like Florida, Louisiana, Alabama, stuff like that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 47:18

Now I'm I've got a phone. For some reason, like when I think of bog, I think like Scotland, Ireland type weather, where they have like the random like the land, like looks like it's all grass.

SPEAKER_03 47:32

There are many bogs in the US, primarily concentrated in the northeast. So cooler weather then. But then it gets swampy there too. So we have one, let's see. Notable examples is Volo Bog in Illinois, Beckley Bog, Connecticut, Cranberry Glades, West Virginia, and then the Washington bog is called Crowberry Bog. I'm gonna look that up now, too. Yeah, but I'm why are bog bodies so well preserved? I know it's I know it has to do with temperature, but in the water. Okay, bogs preserve bodies exceptionally well through a unique combination of cold temperatures, high acidity, lack of oxygen, which prevents bacterial decay. Oh yeah, because they're they're aerobic. So they need oxygen for their energy consumption. So also because of the lack of oxygen, the lack of oxygen, which prevents bacterial decay, it also acts like a tanning agent on skin. So that's how they get that like leathery. Got it. Yeah, and so it says, yeah, specific environment dominated by this specific, it's called sphagnum moss, creates acidic anaerobic, so oxygen poor water, which I just said, that halts decomposition.

SPEAKER_01 49:10

Gotcha. Okay. That's what I I figured like it had something to do with like just being colder because heat like speeds up the process.

SPEAKER_03 49:18

Like this lady, and she's a 10,000, 100,000 years old. Look at that. That is insane. It's like the most famous one you can Google. It's called the Toland Man. He's okay, 2,400 year old. And then usually I think we touch base in part one to just us. I don't know if it was kind of part of the book where she said, like, you know, the bog bodies were very re ritualistic, but they were heinous murders, like the worst way to die. But it was also done to like very prominent members of society as a ritual for like the gods, but usually they donated themselves. But a lot of them are very young children that they'll find.

SPEAKER_01 50:12

Well, and even Ruth had mentioned something like that where she her theory was that Ruth was maybe somebody that was sacrificed, or maybe she was like an important, like a witch or something like that, where they put her body in it to preserve, but then she said that like her jaw's broken, so like they had to have broken her jaw before or maybe she decided at the last minute, like she's decided.

SPEAKER_03 50:37

Yeah, you know, because it's literally in your genetic code to fight, to fight for your life, like even if you're okay with dying, sometimes your body is gonna be like, uh the fuck? No, I'm not. Like you have nothing to do.

unknown 50:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:52

But this one, you can even see how well preserved this rope is because they were like strangled with this rope, yet, like they look so like look, it's even like around their throat still.

SPEAKER_04 51:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:07

And like, but yet they look so peaceful and well-rested. It's so interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:15

Yeah. So I mean that's kind of how Rus's little how this part ends for her. She's blacked out, and we are going to have to wait and see how one, how long it takes for Thomas to come back if he doesn't have to be.

SPEAKER_05 51:36

Right.

SPEAKER_01 51:36

Yeah. Agnes' reaction, Wilhelmine's reaction, how is this how is this going to go for everybody involved? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:47

And how what's how where's the climax to the story? And how is that gonna play into the remaining relationship between Agnes and Roos? I mean, because if we because we could also bring that up too with the the If Willamine had just died, like they came home and she was fucking dead, you know what I mean? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:11

I mean, I still think that such a good book. I still think that Roos probably still would have came to the same conclusion about if Agnes didn't share, she should have shared. But yeah, if Agnes had been more open, but I get like But it's not her. Yeah, it's she doesn't have to. But so yeah, I mean, but we could go into the doctor's notes real quick because like how you said the climax, like how is that going to impact the rest of Rus and Agnes's relationship or even

The Present Day (The Clinical View)

SPEAKER_01 52:42

Willamine? Throughout the doctor's notes, you know, they're kind of randomly put throughout the chapters. Again, we know that we're reading it from the perspective, like you're it's almost like you're Dr. Montague. Yeah. And you're listening to Roos tell what happened. And we know that Agnes is dead. Yeah. He has said he stated that she's dead. He said there's two dead bodies. Two dead bodies. Agnes is one of them, uh, but he refers to her as Mrs. Noop. And then Willamine is Miss Noop. Miss Noop. Miss Noop or Miss K. Miss K. And we know that there's a body that was left rotting on the lawn. But we know for us for certain that Agnes's body had bite marks all over it. And so again, the police and the lawyers, like they're they're pushing.

SPEAKER_03 53:33

They won't want her to rush the doctor and diagnosing and saying, I mean, she's crazy, but she's she's totally aware of what's going on, take her to jail.

SPEAKER_01 53:46

And it almost seems like these people don't like they're like the first people other than it's the 50s.

SPEAKER_03 53:51

So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:52

Well, and these people are the like it seems like the people that are trying to convict Roos are the first people other than Rus herself, who don't give a fuck that Agnes is a different race. All they care about is like we need to put this girl away because the state that we found, and and Agnes was supposed to be like this beautiful woman, like she's known as a beauty, like she's a temptress. Like, that's how people always described her as like a temptress. They said that like the state that she was found, the bite marks, like they were saying cannibalism. Something wrong with this girl, lock her up and throw away the key. Yes. But Dr. Montague is looking at her and he's listening to her story, and he's listening to how Agnes told Roos her story and how she met Peter, and he's and he's telling Rus, he said, you were taken advantage of. And he said, whether it was knowingly by Agnes, because like he Roos doesn't take too kindly to him talking negatively about Agnes. She will not tolerate it. There are several situations where like in his notes he's writing that like he had to like be careful with his words because he could see Yeah, because she'll literally fly into a fucking fit of rage where she needs to be sedated for days, which is so unlike Roos. Like that is just not cool person.

SPEAKER_03 55:11

When I read that, I was like, Yeah, what the fuck are you guys doing to her? What did you do?

SPEAKER_01 55:16

How do we go from like the sweet? She is girl. Yeah. And I timid. I like that I keep saying girl because she's a woman. She is. She's a woman. But the way that she's kind of written.

SPEAKER_03 55:28

Yeah. Well, it's other people's point of views of her. How she looks at herself that way makes us look at her that way.

SPEAKER_01 55:37

Yeah, and it just goes to prove how fucked up mama's influence really was.

SPEAKER_03 55:42

How psychology can really like we got caught in it too.

SPEAKER_01 55:47

Yeah. But Dr. Montague is really like, he doesn't want to see her go to jail. Like he's genuinely concerned, and he feels like she was a part, like she had like he knows that her children's. She went from one abusive relationship to another. It just looks like love. That's how he's trying to frame it. Exactly. Right? Yeah. But Ruth is not, she's like, no, we loved each other. No, we like truly loved. I love her. It was mutual. And he's trying to understand like her connection to Ruth. And we do know that like she's pissed off at Ruth about something. Yes. Because she kind of says, like, a couple times she'll say, like, she'll tell her to shut up. Like she it, but he thinks she's talking to herself.

SPEAKER_03 56:27

She's like, I'm not fucking talking to her.

SPEAKER_01 56:29

She's like, shut up, go over there, like, go to the city. And he's like, excuse me. And she's like, no. Not you. Yeah. Yeah. But so Ruth is like, she's she's very, she's very adamant that these things happened. She does not have any kind of mental illness. She said, you don't understand because you don't have this connection like I do. And she said, if you take away that part from me or Agnes, it literally will, it hurts. It will kill us. It's like taking away my arm and then expecting me to like feed myself. Yeah. I can't do it. You know, and so she's just like, you don't understand and she's trying to make him understand, but she at a certain point. Yeah, at a certain point she kind of knows. Yeah. And this is where like I also kind of I kind of just came to the realization because Ruth always apologized on behalf of like the people that were like racist towards Agnes. And Agnes is like, there's nothing for you to apologize for because you don't understand. Right. And that's okay. Like it's it's not for you to understand. You're never gonna have to understand that. But she says, like, don't apologize for something that you don't get. And so Ruth kind of has that same mentality where she's like, I don't, I'm not mad at you for not understanding, but I wish that you would just like stop telling me I'm crazy. Yeah. Like you can't tell me I'm crazy when you don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:53

And stop pretending like you kind of understand because there literally is no way. There's no way you could know. There's no way. You could have sympathy for me, but there's you literally cannot put yourself in my shoes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:09

There's no way. And he and it's funny because he like listens to her literally retell how she dug up a body. Yeah. And he's like, bro, you are like obviously in the kind doctor way, but he's like, You're fucked up in the head. Like, he's like, We I need to get you. He's like, You do not belong in jail. You need to go to a hospital so I can help you. And he's he's kind of for me to go. She's like, No, I need to go to jail. Right. She's like, Oh no, I'm guilty. And he's and he's like, he's like, Well, how? He's like, Did you kill Agnes? And she's like, Well, no. And he's like, but so so you didn't kill her. She's like, Well, yes, I did, but I didn't. And he's like, Okay, can you just tell me what happened? And she's like, I'm fucking trying getting there, but you keep interrupting me. So she's so she I guess we'll find out again, like through all of that, we'll find out in part three exactly what happened.

SPEAKER_03 59:02

But again, the good doctor here I like him, but I was not sure until the very end, and then I was like, Okay, now I'm sure. Yeah, but the whole time I just kept like I was expecting something to happen with him, but waiting. Like, I honestly sweet. I thought we were gonna have a situation where he was going to abuse her, and I I wasn't sure, was it gonna be sexual in nature or was he gonna turn something around to make it look really bad for the jury? Like I wasn't sure where we were gonna go. Um, but then um, yeah, I was pleasantly surprised. Yeah, so I think that's all I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_01 59:51

I was literally about to just like spill all the beans or yeah, but no, but I really I like even with all of this, he genuinely just cares because he sees the trauma that she's endured.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:01

And he's not telling you guys now if you're reading it or listening along, he's a good guy. He's a good guy. So we can at least share that.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:10

Because he he's a very good guy, and he just genuinely, he genuinely just wants to help Bruce. He in again he in his mind, he's like, oh my god, she's like schizophrenic, like she's like seeing like all the shit. And he's like, I just like you know her.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:25

We actually have pills that can help you with all of this. And Ruth is like, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:32

And she's like, No. You're again, you're not getting it, but it's okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:37

You're still not yeah, like don't sedate me. I don't want to be prescribed pills. She would rather she would rather be in jail for all of this.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:50

Than in an insane asylum medicated. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:54

Because even though she's pissed off at Ruth, she's still like that's her. That's my homegirl. Like, yeah, and that's literally like myself in another form. Yeah. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:05

Yeah, I'm it's it'll be interesting when we get to that.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:08

If you guys haven't picked up a copy, go pick it up. Trust me, you won't put it down. You'll far surpass what we've talked about until part three. Just like go get it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:18

This is another one where like I felt like it started off really well, and there was not a part where I was like, come on, let's keep going. Like, yeah, I was just I had to keep turning the pages because I just couldn't stop. It was so good. I loved it. I love every part. I want to read it again. Like it is this is it's on my list to be read. This is the one that I like still wherever you submit, like if HBO or Amazon Prime were to do a show like this or Netflix. Hulu, come on, y'all. My darling drevel thing, please. And I I and I I I know he's my favorite actor. Charlie Huntham. But I need Charlie Hanum to play either Thomas. That'd be rough, but he could do it. Because we saw what he did with with Bun or not Bundy, um, Geen. Or because of his role in Crimson Peak, which we'll watch, yeah, he would be a great Dr. Montague. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:16

Because he plays like a doctor in that one, but he's like, he's just like a he's a little medical um uh yesterday, and so I haven't seen it, so I don't want to like give off the impression that I know exactly his role in that. But he's a great guy in that one, yeah. But I like just reading on it, and I was like, oh, yeah. Yeah, so I could totally see him fitting in that role too. I mean, you he's played so many different roles, like so many different variations of people, and almost too well at times. And he's so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:54

No, I could just see him with these cute little spectacles on his little face. Spectacles, like you know, like the round using like a doctor. Yeah. Anyway, oh

Outro

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gosh. In part two, Bruce went from a girl looking for a home to a woman digging a grave in the mud. The line between devotion and madness is officially blurred.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:20

Blurred. Alright, and next week we'll see if the thing she brought back from the bog is truly Thomas. Or if she's invited something much worse into the Rose Enjuin.

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Thank you for joining us in the dark tonight. Sleep well if you can.

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And remember, some stories are meant to haunt you.