Episode 9 Brothers and Sisters Recorded April 26, 2026

Deconstructing leaving Mormonism. Let's discuss any and every issue. Trust me it's worth the hassle.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Can you hear me?

SPEAKER_06 0:03

Hey, good morning and good evening.

SPEAKER_02 0:06

Can you see all my uh dirty clothes that are hanging out of my suitcase? Actually, um, there's some stuff I want to show you because I'm hang on, I'm gonna move the computer just to give you a little are we recording?

SPEAKER_06 0:22

Uh we are recording.

SPEAKER_02 0:24

I don't want to show you how messy my bed is, but see that big pile of clothes right there? Yeah, you can see that big pile of clothes. Yeah, I uh I got to pick out all of the fabric and I got to pick out all of the patterns, and they made the clothes for me in a day and brought them back, tried them on me, took them back, and uh tailored them completely to my body. And I paid like I don't know, thirty dollars an outfit.

SPEAKER_03 0:58

Hi Katie. I'm having trouble.

SPEAKER_06 1:12

You can hear me though, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:14

I can hear you.

SPEAKER_06 1:16

Okay. This is doing nothing. You still hear me though, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:22

Summaries and more after this meeting ends in Zoom workplace. Okay, I'm gonna dismiss that.

SPEAKER_06 1:27

That's the AI stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:28

Can you hear me?

SPEAKER_06 1:30

Yeah, I hear you fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

Okay. So we're in the the same um exact neighborhood we were in before here in Neutron. This is my favorite city the last time we traveled.

SPEAKER_04 1:41

What city?

SPEAKER_02 1:43

Neutron. So uh yeah, still in in Vietnam. Um, it's right on the ocean where we are, and it's so adorable because when I wake up in the morning to go to the bathroom and I look outside, do you know what I see? I see half the population down at the beach all doing tai chi walking.

SPEAKER_06 2:06

Oh no.

SPEAKER_02 2:07

They're all doing tai chi. So I don't, you know, that's all that my feed is sending me now is tai chi walking pricause I'm old, right? And they don't want me to hurt my children.

SPEAKER_06 2:15

So is it young and old doing it or just the older folks?

SPEAKER_02 2:18

It's everybody. It's moms, dads, kids, the taxi drivers, the fruit stand people. It's the whole city. So tomorrow I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try and get up and and record it. I noticed that last time we were here, and today we actually went out on the beach, just not at five o'clock in the morning, but they go before their shifts in the morning and work out. And it's amazing. This town is full of that kind of feeling of health. You know, these folks are are healthy, they're they're mentally healthy, they're physically healthy. This is the only town in Vietnam where they have most of their tech tuck drivers are done by guys on a bike. So these are people, these are people who are physically fit. You don't want to come here and pick a fight, uh, at least a ground war. You'll get your ass kicked.

SPEAKER_06 3:14

Um, is there any history to that?

SPEAKER_02 3:18

Is there any reason that they're out every day practicing? Maybe not. But the but the ocean here is beautiful. It's clear, it's easy to get in, it's warm enough, you know, you don't freeze yourself to death. There's just so much I like about the city. And this is the city that the last time we were here, we were in Thailand first, and I checked into some, you know, uh feminine surgery that I was thinking about getting, um, and some other uh uh cosmetic procedures, and it was thousands of dollars. And you know how Larry had that, he has that band of uh skin tags, yeah, of skin tags around his neck. They try they quoted us a few thousand dollars to have those removed, which you know, according to the US, probably still really cheap. Came here, they worked on him for two solid hours. It was sixty dollars. They used his laser, they had to bring in a fan because it smelled like it smelled like cooking pork. They burned so many off of him, but they've all stayed off. It's been just miraculous. His skin looks great, and it was sixty dollars. So it was funny. I was looking for that same place, and I didn't really remember the name, and you know, it's all in in uh Vietnamese, and I don't speak any of that. I don't know any of the characters, and so I'm looking, I'm looking, and I see this one, and it looks kind of familiar, and I look, and the very first uh review was my review from last year.

SPEAKER_04 5:00

Oh nice.

SPEAKER_02 5:01

So I'm like, oh, I found it, found our spot. So we're gonna we're gonna go back.

SPEAKER_06 5:06

Aren't the characters generally just Roman characters?

SPEAKER_02 5:10

No, and it that completely depends. Here they are more so um in Korea they're not, and in uh I but in Vietnam, don't they mostly use the Roman characters?

SPEAKER_06 5:23

I know they can use some Chinese characters, but no, no, no, they use more Chinese characters, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:29

Yep, it is, and and here it's easier here. Korea was really tough to read anything, and and they had their own alphabet, you know, so there's just there's no recognition. Like you're you can be completely lost in Korea. Uh but here in uh did I get that right? Am I in Vietnam now?

SPEAKER_05 5:50

Yeah, you're in Vietnam.

SPEAKER_02 5:52

I get so confused. I've turned around. Yeah, um, so we're here, we're here in this town for a week, and then we go back to um that the one place where we were where we had a swimming pool is the longest swimming pool um in the whole country. It's 300 meters. Is that right? Am I saying that right? 300 meters long. It's like like the the length of two football fields. Three football fields.

SPEAKER_06 6:22

Three football fields.

SPEAKER_02 6:24

Three football fields is all along the ocean. And I my big memory from that is every day I would swim it, you know, because it's a long, long asshole to swim. One time I was swimming back and there was an asp on a tree, like waiting right there to like see you still have to be really, you have to be really careful.

SPEAKER_06 6:47

And maybe back in Hitchcock.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

I know, I know. So just the other day on the this is disgusting, on the bus. We were we got off the we got off the plane and we got on a bus to come here. There was a cockroach on the seat. I'm like, Larry, kill it. He's like, you're from Texas, you kill it. I thought I'm still a girl. You gotta kill the bug for me. So I've seen now a cockroach and uh the asp and two rats. We had a rat on a on a we went on a harbor tour in in Ho Chi Minh City. Okay, I found this out after last week, and you you you said, oh, you call it Saigon Paul instead of Ho Chi Minh City. I understand why they call it Ho Chi Minh City, because he really was a hero for these people.

SPEAKER_06 7:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:40

You know what you know what they call him? They call him Uncle Ho.

SPEAKER_06 7:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:44

I just think that's so sweet. He's he's like an uncle to them.

SPEAKER_06 7:49

Stood up to the Americans, stood up to the French. That was not easy. That was real, and you talk about he got a awful lot of opposition and demonization for that. Yeah. They won.

unknown 8:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 8:04

And if you and if you talk to them about the Palestinians, they'll say, why don't they just take up arms and kick the Israelis' ass, you know, like we did. You know.

SPEAKER_01 8:13

There are no arms. There's rocks.

SPEAKER_06 8:15

I know, I know, I know. It's a different situation. But but their mindset is like, if you're being oppressed, just overthrow your oppressors.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

Just rise up.

SPEAKER_06 8:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:24

Just rise up.

SPEAKER_06 8:25

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:28

That might be a lesson for us in there somewhere.

SPEAKER_06 8:32

Oh, yeah. Man, their their mental toughness is is really admirable.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

It really is. I've had to get to the point now where um the women get especially pushy with me, especially when we're shopping, and they like to take me and put me someplace. They like to physically like you sit here and then they talk to Larry. And I'm like, I I've just started this thing where I say, Don't touch me. And it's not like I I don't mind being touched. I just don't want to be touched and put in a place. You know, I don't want I don't want to be dismissed, so don't touch me. Still my husband. I still get to speak to him. You're not the third will in this conversation. This is between him and I. It's been interesting. It's but I would say um any day of the week, I would trust these folks. You know, they're just just good people.

SPEAKER_06 9:24

There they survive. Yeah, there's still a lot of honeypot scams, um, romance scams.

SPEAKER_02 9:33

They do a lot of that kind of stuff to survive.

SPEAKER_05 9:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:38

I think that's I think that's survival. And I think that it's um something they're gonna have to the human trafficking piece of it, you know, the the younger age girls, the girls who aren't old enough, that's a a real problem.

SPEAKER_00 9:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:51

Um, but what you see a lot of, especially in Thailand, are older gentlemen who are probably their first wife has died or they have divorced since retiring, and they've come and found a young wife that you know that suits their their lifestyle, what they want, the happiness that they want at the end of their lives. Yeah, and that's an interesting concept because I think a lot of kids feel like mom and dad should suffer, and they've been they've been together for this long, and they should stick it out for the family. And I my first mission president, you know, he came home and then got divorced.

SPEAKER_04 10:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

And he told his second wife, look, I just want some happiness in my life before I die. And I think that I deserve that. And that's when she said, Okay, well, let's let's talk about dating then. You know, let's let's be serious about that. Because a lot of times I think you get to a certain age, especially as male, and I think your kids think that you should just be happy to be grandpa. That should that should be the the all-time fulfillment of your life. And what is that you're still young and you're you still want to go do stuff and you want to you want to have fun, and yeah, it's it's especially hard, I think, on kids who come from religious families, and especially if the mother is the one that gets left behind, because then she's seen as the ultimate victim in in the thing. Where I don't see it as a one-sided thing. I I don't see any divorce, I don't see any situation like that. There's exceptions, there are people who are truly mentally ill, there are people who want to kill you, you need to leave. Um, but so my friend her her trial happened this last week, and she got found guilty on all three counts. So she has gone away now for forever. She's never gonna come out. And you know, I how do we stay happy and well enough that we do not like some necessary to kill other people? Yes, and think that we're gonna get away with it for some reason. Police are smart. Okay, if anyone is thinking of doing any kind of crime, there is so much electronically that they can they can look at your license plate, they can check your your um your highway pass, they can, you know, all the the door, um all the door cameras that are out there now. There's just so many things, your bank account, you know, passing a light that um takes your license plate because you've been speeding through town. There's just so many ways that they can catch you that you're just an idiot if you think that you're smart enough. Plus, they have a second cent for it, or a third cent or a sixth cent, whatever. They walked into that crime scene and they knew immediately that it was not what it was purported. They know because they've seen enough. So it's just sad and it's sad for people to throw away their lives thinking that they can outsmart the police. Can't outsmart them. Maybe back in the day in a dad's forensic days, kind of outsmarted them. I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 13:22

I think that I think things I've seen a lot of deaths be talked up to natural causes without any investigation, also. It depends on the person. It depends on it depends on if the police want to work or not, if they care or not.

SPEAKER_02 13:40

If the police care you think it had racial undertones to it, elderly um undertones, you know, just sign this death certificate they were old, who cares if they have 102 bleeding wounds on their skin.

SPEAKER_06 13:57

No, that that would give it away. That would give it away.

SPEAKER_02 14:00

I I actually turned in somebody when I worked at a nursing home because he came into us and he had never he had been sitting in his wheelchair for the past two weeks and he couldn't lay down anymore. His his his back, I guess, gets stuck that way. And I counted the number of wounds on his skin, and when I got to 102, I I left and picked up the phone and called the police. And I was in high school when I did that. I have no idea whatever happened to the case, you know, if anything ever That was certainly neglect, at least. Yeah, at least neglect. And and so um this week, you know, I have a long-term health policy because I'm really counting on, you know, the charity and the goodwill of my stepchildren to help me through my old age. So I'm gonna live with Which one am I gonna which one am I gonna live out in the back at their house and have a yeah? Uh so I have my own long-term policy, and the rate went up. And I said to I said to Larry, it's it's the only thing that's gonna keep me from going to Switzerland and doing myself in after you go, because I I just there's so much abuse that I was in that industry, you know, like I saw it for myself, and I was a good kid that I really wanted to help people. It's just gonna get worse and worse as people my age age because there aren't enough young people to take care of us, and I don't necessarily want robot wiping my ass, which is gonna have to happen a lot. And I just I just don't I it just does not look bright and cheery for me right now.

SPEAKER_06 15:47

Yeah, I don't know. You can come live with me and Katie.

SPEAKER_02 15:50

Okay, I'll come live with you and Katie, and I'll learn how to like get to the bathroom in time every single time.

SPEAKER_06 15:57

Uh you don't have to be perfect.

SPEAKER_02 16:00

I can have an accident now and then.

SPEAKER_06 16:03

Is that yeah? Well when I did home health care is amazing. It's like mom's gonna stay with us to the bitter end, and then she starts crapping her pants. Nope, she's gotta go.

SPEAKER_01 16:13

A little bit of shit is all it takes.

SPEAKER_06 16:15

Yeah, no, no, institution.

SPEAKER_02 16:17

I I've taken care of a lot of people's shit. So I I deserve someone to be nice to me about mine. My favorite part about that job was when they um, because there was that driving school there at Central State University, and they would let people who had um become paraplegic or who had become quadriplegic come and learn how to drive there. And those poor folks at night were just as bored as anybody. And so I would load them up with the laundry and I'd make them come around and do my rounds with me. They didn't have to change the sheets, but they like held the clean sheets, and I'd come out and get the clean sheets and we'd talk, and you know, I'd I'd involve them all that way. But it's it's not gonna be the same.

SPEAKER_06 16:58

There's no way that you know why dad went to hospice. Why he he couldn't take the boredom of being in a nursing home for dialysis? Yeah, the boredom was terrorized him. He was scared to death of being bored again. He's like, uh uh, no.

SPEAKER_02 17:18

I I wasn't there for any of that, and my impression of it was he just didn't not want to be at home, which kind of made me mad at him because that put all of the onus on mom. And I don't want to do that to, you know, my A, my stepkids don't owe it to me, right?

SPEAKER_06 17:37

You Paula, Paula, you pursue your interests, let Larry pursue his interests, and then you'll come to some agreement in the middle.

SPEAKER_02 17:45

And maybe we'll die on the on the non-stop flight back from Seoul. Yeah, class. There's just no telling.

SPEAKER_06 17:53

But just pursue your interests honestly, let him pursue his interests honestly, and then see where you can meet.

SPEAKER_02 18:00

Yeah, where we meet up.

SPEAKER_06 18:02

But he he knew he knew he couldn't take the boredom of a nursing home.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

Yeah. And I think Larry would have the same problem. And where Larry's lucky is that I'm young and I do know how to take care of someone in that situation. You know, I I've had the training. So he's he's lucky that way. And we bought a really smart policy back in the day where you could buy this kind of policy, you can't anymore, but it ports over from one to the other of us. So if he doesn't use it all, I get his portion of it too.

unknown 18:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 18:31

So I'm I'm gonna try and make my portion lasts as long as possible. Although I I I don't I don't know how we're gonna affect it.

SPEAKER_06 18:42

You might not ever even need it, but if you do need it, you got you got a plan other than Medicaid.

SPEAKER_02 18:47

Right. And I don't have to depend on people who don't really want the underfunded Medicaid plan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's the one smart thing I that and the fact that when we first got married, we did a family trust just so that everything was above board, everything the kids couldn't say, Hey, I'm a gold digger because there was no gold to dig.

SPEAKER_06 19:12

They all got paid in um in alimony and child support.

SPEAKER_02 19:16

Yeah, all the gold diggers.

SPEAKER_06 19:18

All the wealth went to alimony and child support payments.

SPEAKER_02 19:21

Every dining and a house, and house, because he left all of his equity in the house to her, which is fine because it kept the kids in their school. You know, I'm I'm all for as happy a transition as possible, and I'm completely capable of earning my own money as we've all as we've all seen. How are how are you doing?

SPEAKER_06 19:43

Pretty good. I just got to notice that our liveaboard dates have been changed, and either we ask for a refund or we change our dates for the liveaboard, which is kind of a pain because I've made flights and hotel arrangements and and flights are getting more expensive now instead of less expensive. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:02

And that that might change as people stop flying, you know, they might have to reduce them to get people the fly. That isn't the case yet.

SPEAKER_06 20:09

Yeah, if we keep the same window, it'll be a day shorter. If we get there a couple days earlier, we can keep the same number of days.

SPEAKER_02 20:18

But what kind of workaway is it? And explain that.

SPEAKER_06 20:22

It's a liveaboard for scuba diving. Okay, so it's a live aboard on this boat and you scuba dive on the boat four or five times a day.

SPEAKER_02 20:31

Do you have your own bedroom?

SPEAKER_06 20:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:33

You have your own head.

unknown 20:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

That's a bathroom for all you non-boat people.

SPEAKER_06 20:38

Uh yeah, how you non-pirates?

SPEAKER_02 20:41

You know, I took sailing lessons and I got my captain's license when I lived in California.

SPEAKER_05 20:46

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_02 20:47

Yeah, I yes, I did. And I told Larry that, and he never believed me, and he was always testing me, where's the server? Where's the me?

SPEAKER_04 20:55

Where's porn?

SPEAKER_02 20:56

Yeah, exactly. And I like I I took it during the semester of, you know, like at college. It wasn't during college, but you know, it was like one of those things. And I never really did anything much with it afterwards, but I had to learn to read a map, and I like had to like I had to do some stuff to to earn this. And finally one day he was cleaning out the books and stuff, and he found my my license, and he's like, I really have to apologize. You were full of shit. Because he had more practical, you know, sailing experience than I had had. But I I am a licensed uh captain of up to I think 10 feet. No, 30. I'm up to 30 feet. I can't 35 foot sailboat. I can I can captain all the way out.

SPEAKER_06 21:45

Oh, the length of boat. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:47

That's the length.

SPEAKER_06 21:47

Huahin is a is a beach community in Thailand. Um kind of halfway between the you know, Bangkok and the true southern part of Thailand. It's laid back, a lot of retirement. Hired folks if they have a sailing school there, and I've been investigating, you know, I'd love to go take um someone do it.

SPEAKER_02 22:08

Do it. And here's why it just gets you out on the water and it helps you understand how to do it. And like it I I loved it. And it didn't hurt that we've sailed out of Ventura, California. And every time we had to leave the port, we'd go by the the the boat that Z Top was on. All the guys from Z Z Top were out on the back of their boat with their long beards smoking dope. And it was just fun. It was really a fun, fun, fun thing to do. I I say do um as many of those kinds of things in your life as you can. And then you can always brag, hey, I'm a boat captain, and nobody has to believe you until they find your friends.

SPEAKER_06 22:48

Yeah, I I'd love to stay along the coast and go do some island hopping, and it would be really fun to be a whole different perspective.

SPEAKER_02 22:56

You can get a you can get a guy to do it for you for pretty cheap, too. You can get a uh personalized uh island hopping, you know, somebody who has their own boat.

SPEAKER_06 23:05

You can you or the long tail boats and that, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:08

Yeah, yeah. You don't have to buy it from the tour groups.

SPEAKER_06 23:12

No, you get there to meet people yeah, but yeah, no, but I I would I'd like to do that for six months at a time or something, you know.

SPEAKER_04 23:21

Oh, how fun.

SPEAKER_02 23:23

Are you are you looking are you looking forward to a date of of when you want to retire or use that?

SPEAKER_06 23:30

I can do it this summer, but Katie's nowhere near ready.

SPEAKER_02 23:34

No, no, but you're ready.

SPEAKER_06 23:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:39

Yeah, I have to say I love it. I don't ever want to, I know I have to go back and do some work, and I am writing now and I'm doing some stuff, but I'm doing what I want to do. I don't have a boss other than my husband who likes to try to boss me now and then.

SPEAKER_06 23:58

But I you know those Vietnamese women, don't forget them.

SPEAKER_02 24:02

And they are very, very bossy, they are so funny. They really they know exactly what you're supposed to do and how you're supposed to do it. Man, you better do it their way or or it's the highway. Pretty funny. Like, don't walk into their store and keep your shoes on. That's that's the death now. If you don't keep your shoes on, don't keep your shoes on, unless you're in a 7-Eleven, then you can keep your shoes on. But like if you go to like a I went and got a pedicure the other day and I left my shoes on, they're like, What they like, but then they walk around the store in their bare feet. It not a lot of it makes a whole lot of sense. It's culture, but it's their custom, it's their culture, so I try and behave. Yeah, I try and behave. So we had a lot of fun. We went and saw, we went to the same, it's called the Ben Thane Market. Isn't that funny?

SPEAKER_06 24:57

Yeah, T A T Y T T 88N8.

SPEAKER_02 25:02

Yeah, the Benthane market. And uh I ordered a couple of things. I wanted to see how she did first before I, you know, bought a whole bunch of different things for her. And Larry got three new shirts. And the best part is is that they cover as plumers crack.

SPEAKER_06 25:19

So I have other people. Are they linen or what are they?

SPEAKER_02 25:23

No, they're they're just regular, they're pot they're cotton. Um, they've got some blend in them so they don't get too wrinkled when you wash them. But they're just short-sleeve shirts, they've got a pocket because he has to have a pocket, but they're just casual, you know, kind of cotton shirts.

SPEAKER_04 25:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

Um, but they fit in perfectly and they're long enough for him. So I don't have to.

SPEAKER_06 25:47

Yeah. When we're in northern Thailand, I want to buy some silk.

SPEAKER_02 25:51

Uh when you're when you're here, I suggest you think of everything that you might want. Um, some shorts, maybe some shorts with some zippers in them. They can do anything for you, and it's extremely inexpensive. And you get to pick your own fabric. And literally, if you go, if you go in the morning, by that evening, they can have it to your hotel for you to try on and then fix whatever's wrong. Wow. You know, fix whatever you want, you know, fixed up. So it's it's I don't know why anybody would shop any other way, because it then then the things fit your body, you know, and they're the size that you want them, and they hit you where you want them. So I wanted things that you know, I didn't want to be completely sleeveless, but I wanted I wanted my shoulders showing, and I wanted shorts, and I wanted, you know, little sets that so I don't look shlubby. A lot of uh tourists they come in t-shirts and shorts and they're flip-flops, and they look kind of and I'm going to Japan. I want to look a little bit maybe like I belong in a sushi restaurant.

SPEAKER_06 27:01

How much longer do you have traveling?

SPEAKER_02 27:04

We come home in the beginning of August.

SPEAKER_06 27:06

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 27:08

And then we're gonna work for a month, and then we're gonna leave again, and we're going to the south of Spain for a couple of months, and then maybe we really haven't figured that part out. And a lot of it really has to do with how we do, you know, with the Strait of Hormoose, and there's getting gas on the world, and you know, politically what's going on. There, there's all kinds of things that could affect that. But right now we have a Airbnb kind of place in this in the south of Spain um for two months. So that's September. So we'll have my September, the beginning of September is my birthday and our anniversary, and then we'll leave right after that. So we'll have Larry's birthday in Spain.

SPEAKER_06 27:54

So are you sitting in a hotel now or um right now?

SPEAKER_02 27:59

Let me show you the room. Yeah, maybe I don't have to move the whole. It's it's uh can you see? I can't see what you can see. So that's the bathroom, there's a little kitchenette, the bedroom, and then that's a huge porch.

SPEAKER_06 28:16

Yeah, and it looks out if it were like that could be a studio condo or a hotel room, but I suspect it's a hotel room.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

Well, it's part of a hotel, it's kind of a thing. Do you see that thing across the way? The it's a Ferriswheel.

SPEAKER_06 28:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:33

You see that thing away? So that's on that's between here and there is the ocean. So there's the there's the beach where everybody goes and works out during the day. And then you write a cable car. Oh, very wants me to do this. There's no way I'm doing it. From way over here to way over there to where that amusement park is, and you go to that amusement park thing. No, thank you. I'm I'm not riding a cable car. I still I still uh do not love heights. Heights are not my can you see me now? Because I can't see you. What?

SPEAKER_05 29:11

Not your jam.

SPEAKER_02 29:13

Can't see my jam.

SPEAKER_05 29:15

Heights are not your jam.

SPEAKER_02 29:17

Oh because I was always too tall. I was way too tall as a child. Nat, did you just do that?

SPEAKER_06 29:26

Did you just no, it's a it's it's it's your camera being smart.

SPEAKER_02 29:32

Technology is crazy.

SPEAKER_06 29:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:36

Okay, so do you think uh what happened at the correspondence dinner was a stunt because no one wanted to hear the horrible, hilarious things people were going to say about President Trump?

SPEAKER_06 29:51

I don't know. I'm really cynical. You know that assassination attempt, but the ear thing was all staged.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

Okay, here's why I believe it was staged. The only reason why is because he's immediately had a photogenic with the defiant fist in the air.

SPEAKER_06 30:08

That was planned.

SPEAKER_02 30:09

He cannot stop talking about people who have done him wrong, and to shoot the end of your ear off is to do something wrong to you. And he has not said one word about this.

SPEAKER_06 30:21

There's not a damn thing wrong with his ear.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

And there's not a damn thing wrong. Okay, from a medically uh educated, can you give us your medically educated opinion? Is there one damn thing wrong with his ear?

SPEAKER_06 30:35

No, it was it was staged. I think um the the the the immediate photo op was like that was planned.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

Well, and the blood coming down and the whole defiant, the whole and exactly how well it was framed and fissed in the air and the yeah, yeah, like it was it was and then what what what what happened to that investigation? Yeah, what have you heard? That's what I'm saying. If something were to have happened that had to have come of that, and I wonder, you know, is Charlie Kirk things getting deeper?

SPEAKER_06 31:12

Uh I oh Charlie Kok Kirk was not killed by anybody on the left. I think that Charlie Kirk Kirk was supposed to take up the mantle and be president someday. That's uh that's the track they had him on. Because he was gonna the useful cult leader had the personality in the following. Jerry Astrix don't have.

SPEAKER_02 32:00

Okay, and then I want your opinion about Melania's big uh for whatever reason all.

SPEAKER_06 32:07

I never met Jeffrey Epstein. Okay, there's so many big lives have to stop.

SPEAKER_02 32:14

Okay, why is it that we're being told that we cannot believe what we are seeing with our own eyeballs? And this is before AI.

SPEAKER_06 32:23

It's been a successful strategy.

SPEAKER_02 32:25

Like January 6th is not what we saw. I saw an insurrection on January 6th. That's what I saw with my own two eyes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 32:36

Yeah. Well, there's a belief that if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes believed. That's a that's a that's a Russian thing. There was also a um Roy Cohn thing.

SPEAKER_02 32:51

I don't know who that is.

SPEAKER_06 32:53

Roy Cohn was the lawyer for McCarthy.

SPEAKER_02 32:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 32:57

You remember the McCarthy communist trials?

SPEAKER_04 33:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 33:00

And Roy Cohn was Trump's political mentor. He was a really cynical, cynical lawyer. He was uh a gay Jewish man um who wasn't gay, he just had sex with men.

SPEAKER_01 33:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 33:19

And and is that you repeat a lie often enough, you never apologize, you always double down. He had a political strategy. It's like basically what the pilot said: admit nothing, deny everything, demand to see the proof, make counteraccusations. You know, it's that formula. You just apply that formula steadfastly, again and again and again. Manage the image, manage the image, manage the image.

SPEAKER_02 33:42

Okay, so I see on TikTok a kid who talks to really strong MAGA, especially men, who just, you people on the left, you blah blah blah blah. And he's and he always says, Name one policy, name one policy that Trump has enacted that you that you agree with. And of course they can't. And then they say, Well, name something that he's done that's terrible, and the kid could go on for 10 minutes, then it doesn't matter, it's because they like him as a person.

SPEAKER_06 34:14

It's a cult of personality. Joseph Smith had a cult of personality, and then usually they die after they're the big the charismatic leader left. But Brigham Young borrowed Joseph Smith's um by proxy his his charisma and changed it into a cult of an idea of being the one true church. And then it made it's it's rare, but it made that transition from cult of personality to cult of an idea. A cult of the ideas are are can be handed down. But you know, there's just been no no charisma since since then either. You you look you look at the leaders, and there is zero Riz.

SPEAKER_02 34:57

Uh Brigham Young also had to more or less popularize polygamy where Joseph Smith where Joseph Smith had to hide it, right? Yeah. So Joseph Smith hid it. Brigham Young comes out, which means that all of the men that were in the church were all like, all right, you know, I get two girls.

SPEAKER_06 35:22

It's not good for the young men in the church.

SPEAKER_02 35:25

It wasn't good for the young men in the church. It's not good for the church.

SPEAKER_06 35:28

No, because they're competition, they gotta be pushed out.

SPEAKER_02 35:32

So do you um have you seen the new Netflix? I think it's called False Prophet.

SPEAKER_04 35:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:37

Um brand new one. Yeah. So and it's it what's really interesting to me is now being on the other side of this, how easily I can see it, how easily I can smell it, how easily I can cite it.

SPEAKER_06 35:52

Like I can it's you know how the Mormons say, we're not a cult, the FLDS, they're the cult, you know. And then hearing the FLDS saying, you know, the Warren Jeffs, we're they're not the cult. The Sam people, they're the cult.

SPEAKER_02 36:07

That Sam guy, he's freaking scary. He the just the way he looked creeped me out.

SPEAKER_06 36:15

Yeah, he wasn't terribly bright, which was uh his which made it easier to bring him down.

SPEAKER_02 36:21

Is that what it was? Well, and and they were able to soothe his ego. Like, oh, we're gonna we're gonna make this documentary about you, and it's all gonna be about you. That woman was so brave. I've I've met that woman. Um, I met her at a drive event. Talk about being brave because she was torn, you know, her it her her values to lie to those women. At the same time, if she didn't lie to them, all of those young girls would have been married to that bastard.

SPEAKER_00 36:52

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:54

All of them. Pathetically said. So is your conference over yet?

SPEAKER_06 37:02

Oh my can the convention that's in September.

SPEAKER_02 37:05

Oh, not till September?

SPEAKER_06 37:06

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:10

All right. Are we gonna read from uh the miracle of forgiveness?

SPEAKER_06 37:14

Are we gonna why why don't we do a little passage? I'll just randomly open one. Okay, randomly open one.

SPEAKER_02 37:22

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 37:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 37:25

Oh, wait, wait, can we just say one more thing? Yeah, I think it's absolutely the most hysterical thing. Not that I wish John Delyn one ounce of bad in his life, because I think that man has given his life for good. But the Mormon church is coming after him for using the word Mormon. When that's what they raised us as. I'm a Mormon girl, you're a Mormon boy.

SPEAKER_06 37:51

Yeah, meet the Mormons. How many millions of dollars do you spend on that campaign?

SPEAKER_02 37:57

Or the no, it was the I'm a Mormon campaign. Oh, I'm a Mormon campaign. Yeah, after the Book of Mormon. After the the the so we went to see um the Book of Mormon on Broadway.

SPEAKER_06 38:09

They're just harassing them with suits because they have money.

SPEAKER_02 38:12

Because they have money and they think they can bring them down. We went and saw um the Book of Mormon on Broadway. We took Danny Armstrong and my friend Susie.

SPEAKER_06 38:22

I found them on TikTok.

SPEAKER_02 38:24

You did?

SPEAKER_06 38:24

Yeah. I wore my uh he has a consulting business now for families.

SPEAKER_02 38:31

Yep, yep. For education to get your kids motivated to get through high school and college. So I was wearing my name bat, my name tag, and afterwards, you know, I've been around enough Hollywood people all my life that I know how to go back and get you know autographs from people. So we we went to the line where all the stars come out of the backstage area, and I had my program and they were all signing, signing this guy signing my thing, and all of a sudden he looks up and he sees my name badge. And he's like, Are you okay? Are you okay? Did we offend you too bad? I'm like, no, are you kidding? The people who laugh the hardest at that show are the Mormons who are in the audience because it just points out how ridiculously hilarious once you remove it from all of this the Mormon stigma and the all the solemn mockery of being serious. I was like, uh, that person you heard cackling, that was me. That was me. I loved it.

SPEAKER_06 39:31

Yeah, once you're on the other side of being suborned by their thought control clichés, thought stopping cliches.

SPEAKER_02 39:39

They're pearl clutching. Oh, you can't laugh about that. It's too sacred. Well, they're fucking the milkmaid.

SPEAKER_06 39:46

Yeah, yeah. Okay, that was me. Okay. In connection with men's thoughts, I discussed in a previous chapter the discernment often given to God's servants. If they are in sweet attunement, church leaders are entitled to have it given unto them to discern, lest there shall be any among you professing and yet not be of God. DNC 4627. Not only the general authorities, but bishops and state mission presidents, stake and mission presidents have often discerned situations and thereby been enabled to protect the church and bring the sinner to repentance. Let me quote one instance. I sat at my desk on one occasion to interview a prospective missionary. When I had covered finance, I have a question.

SPEAKER_02 40:45

I have a question. Is this a Paul H. Dunn story? This is I'm teasing W.

SPEAKER_06 40:53

Kimball. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A big old liar. I sat at my desk on one occasion. Okay, when we covered finance and health and the like matters, I approached the moral requirements. I asked him if he was virtuous and free from all immorality. He replied he was free from such sins and indiscretions. I had no clear reason to question his word, other than he's a young man and a biological creature.

SPEAKER_02 41:25

He has a penis.

SPEAKER_06 41:29

An X and a Y chromosome and testosterone. But a sort of depression and uneasiness weighed heavily upon me. I hesitated a moment, then returned to ask again Have you been immoral in any way? I must know. While I touch myself under the desk.

SPEAKER_02 41:52

I know, well, it turns me on.

SPEAKER_06 41:55

Yeah, I know it's gross. This is the final interview. This is the final interview. He looked me in the eye and again disclaimed any unworthiness. I somehow knew that all was not in order with this young man. I folded up the papers, set them on the edge of my desk, unaccepted, unsigned, and said to him, I will need to see you later. He left the room. I went on about my work. Some hours later, there was a knock on the door, and he entered in tears. The recommendation forms were still on the desk, untouched. When he ceased his sobbing, he blurted out, You knew I lied to you. You knew I was not worthy to fill to fill a mission. Worthy to fill a mission. Worthy for torture. Um it transpired. It transpired that he had been immoral over a period and had committed fornication many times. Oh no, he remained home, repented, transformed his life, became asexual, joined a monastery, began touching young men in the Catholic Church. I'm making that part up. But he said he remained home, repented, and transformed his life, and became a faithful member of the church. The Lord has planned an orderly process in this matter. It is a true way, even though there have been distortions and spurious programs advanced. Some have complained at the need for confessing one's sense to church authorities respecting authority, stating that this is like the practices of other churches. In many areas in church service, there are genuine and the spurious, but the fact that there is priest craft is no reason for. Discarding the true priesthood. Because there is a distortion, a distorted form of baptism is no reason for renouncing the true gateway to the church. Because there are presumptuous, spurious claims and practices, is no reason for the church to forfeit the true and correct. Confession may be made to church leaders in confidence. A church dignitary is not required by law to reveal in court those matters given to him in total confidence as a spiritual advisor. They've really twisted that one. You don't have to protect kids. He will keep the sacred confidences given to him.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

Even if it's from a molester.

SPEAKER_06 44:44

Yeah, they'll they'll enable that to put to go on. The bishop or state president will guard confidence as carefully and resolutely as he would. But then they then they say you can't take the sacrament and do other public streaming things. But this is not true. Carefully and resolutely as he would want and any other to guard his own confidences. Like when they sent a um one of the missionaries home on my mission, the mission president announced to all of us why they sent him home. Exactly what he'd done.

SPEAKER_02 45:21

Everyone in the building knows that's child.

SPEAKER_06 45:25

It's such a damn line. And the line with a straight, straight, solemn face. Um would want to guard his own confidences if the situation were reversed. And trust me, they are reversed. You just don't catch us at the highest levels. For instance, you don't catch us at the highest levels, I added you don't what okay. The bishop or straight president will guard confidence as carefully and resolutely as he would want to guard his own confidences if the situations were reversed.

SPEAKER_04 45:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 45:57

Okay, and then I add it, and trust me, the situations are often reversed, but you don't catch us at the highest levels.

SPEAKER_02 46:03

That's because we don't confess at the highest levels. We're smart enough to not confess.

SPEAKER_06 46:10

The confession is for you lower folks to do, not for us.

SPEAKER_02 46:13

Yeah, because we're beyond that.

SPEAKER_06 46:15

Yeah, trust us. We're yeah, we have too much authority to confess.

SPEAKER_04 46:20

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 46:21

We yeah. For instance, and it's very cynical. For instance, it would be wholly unwarranted for the ecclesiastical officer to confide in his wife or friend the secrets of another's heart. But they will tell you in priesthood meeting, at least without the direction and permission of the confider. It's just full talk full of lies. That's all I have to say. That's just talk full of lies. And justification to protect child predators.

SPEAKER_02 46:51

It's saying they have got to do something. We've got to do something as an earth, as the world against child predators. We have got to, because this is at the highest level of our government, and it's at the highest level of our religion. It's at the highest level because they they may not be molesting them themselves, but they're certainly enabling the inappropriately talking to young kids about sexuality in a shaming way is just as bad as talking sexuality to kids in a permissive way.

SPEAKER_06 47:28

It is just different sides of the same coin. It's inappropriate sexualization of kids. It's not right, it's wrong. Purity culture is harmonious with pedophile culture. They kind of depend on each other.

SPEAKER_02 47:44

Because it's you have to have one to punish the other to make the other to feel bad.

SPEAKER_06 47:49

Yeah, and and don't don't look over here, look over there. You know, you know, it is if the kid touching himself is a sin, and you shame them, and you get them in a compromised position, and then they're easier to manipulate. You you you raise somebody with a bunch of sexual shame and guilt, and they're easier than to twist their sexuality into something truly shameful. You shame them over the normal stuff, and then the truly shameful stuff you can you can then pass off because they're so used to being chained. The shame doesn't feel strange or unusual.

SPEAKER_02 48:20

And I don't I don't really understand how it is that that women, okay, speaking about my the fair sex, A don't talk to their own daughters about sex enough for them to know, right? So that's that's part of the whole that's part of the whole scheme, is if you don't know, then you don't know to complain. You don't know that when the bishop touches you in his office, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 48:51

And it's too shameful. It's always too shameful to talk about, and that that is on purpose, and that is cynical.

SPEAKER_02 49:01

Yeah, that's really sad.

SPEAKER_06 49:04

And anytime you talk about it, we're gonna put you in shame. And we're gonna say you're the unusual one for being for normal biological human development. That's a shameful thing. And then when they want to twist it, you're already in shame, so it doesn't feel that unusual. You don't go, hey, wait a minute. And you already you're already blaming yourself anyway.

SPEAKER_02 49:26

So if I look at what's happened, like in all the Epstein stuff that I've looked at, that I've seen, all of the women who have been participants who found young girls for these men, I see the same kind of thing happen in the church, especially around polygamy, especially around saving their daughters, making them shawls so that they don't show their shoulders at the prom and like doing all of these things that that are supposed to be upholding, you know, uh what a moral girl is.

SPEAKER_06 50:01

Yeah, you're inappropriately fixated on their sexuality.

SPEAKER_01 50:05

On her shoulders, yeah, and it's inappropriate.

SPEAKER_06 50:08

It it is all day long inappropriate. It it her shoulders are none of your goddamn business.

SPEAKER_02 50:15

Did you hear that? Do you see my shoulders?

SPEAKER_06 50:18

None of your business. You know, it's not your business to police, and if you're policing it, what else are you gonna police? Because that that is that is just such a manipulative, coercive stance to take. What else are you gonna manipulate and coerce? What are you prepping them to accept? That's also inappropriate if you're gonna start with the shoulder or a tattoo or a double piercing, yeah, and make them feel bad about that, so they're already feeling bad. So then, you know, when you want to get away with something for your jollies, it's easier to get away with.

SPEAKER_02 50:55

So do you think because I I listened to a woman, no nonsense spirituality, I really like her a lot.

SPEAKER_06 51:03

I like her too.

SPEAKER_02 51:04

Yeah. Do you think we're better off as a society with with religion in place that gives us some morals? Or do you think we're better off wiping the slate and saying, let's as a society come up No, I I don't think religion gives us morals.

SPEAKER_06 51:22

I think morals are inherent to humans. I think what religions give us is a common myth that bind us together and make mating easier and and cooperation easier. It gives us an evolutionary advantage in the in in the reproduction and the and the economic cooperation zones, not morality. But just because I was religion adds nothing to moral. No.

SPEAKER_02 51:43

Because I was born under the morality does not come from religion.

SPEAKER_06 51:49

In any other morals are innate are innate to people.

SPEAKER_02 51:54

You're either gonna you're either gonna be somebody who's gonna grow up and want to murder somebody, or you don't have that in your heart. You don't have to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_06 52:02

Well, there can be a set of circumstances, you can be driven to that point, and you can be deconditioned to that point, and the army can decondition you to the point where it's perfect you feel perfectly justified. Yeah, it it's all systems stuff, but inherent morality is something inherent to people, it doesn't come externally from religion. Is it that they tell you that's why they're around, and they tell you they do that, but they don't because am I more moral because I don't kill you because I'm afraid of God torturing me forever than I don't kill you because it's just not right.

SPEAKER_02 52:35

That's less moral than just not killing me because you are the conversation.

SPEAKER_06 52:40

I have empathy and I see you as another.

SPEAKER_02 52:42

I love you and I want you to be around.

SPEAKER_06 52:44

Yeah, yeah. I I you know, I I like my fellow human beings, you know. Which is more which is a more moral stance, you know. You really think that I'm born wanting to kill, and except for this teaching from God and the priest that molests me at the altar, um, I would do bad things.

SPEAKER_01 53:00

Otherwise, I would be a killer.

SPEAKER_06 53:02

Bullshit. Nonsense.

SPEAKER_02 53:05

Does it surprise you how high up all of this upstream nonsense goes?

SPEAKER_06 53:10

The very top. And and how not only the chief executive in the White House, our commander-in-chief, is is player number two.

SPEAKER_02 53:23

And does it surprise you how wide and how protective even all of the people and player number one, who was murdered in prison, complained that player number two was the most evil person he'd ever seen in his life. May have been murdered in prison.

SPEAKER_06 53:43

He was, come on.

SPEAKER_02 53:45

Do you think he was killed?

SPEAKER_06 53:47

Oh, yeah. There were too many things that had a line up. He could have come out with for all those to be to believe that all those were independent um occurrences that happened.

SPEAKER_02 53:59

What I'm saying is you think he might be alive somewhere.

SPEAKER_06 54:01

Or do you think what you're saying? No, they wouldn't keep his ass alive.

SPEAKER_01 54:08

Because he could talk.

SPEAKER_06 54:09

Yeah, Trump would not know. No.

SPEAKER_01 54:12

I see what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 54:15

Oh, thing. Thing, thing, thing. So this week we're gonna um be in a coconut boat. I'll take pictures of that for you. Do you know what a coconut boat is?

SPEAKER_06 54:29

No. A round one?

SPEAKER_02 54:31

It's round like half of a coconut. Oh, okay. And they spin you spin it around like this until you vomit.

SPEAKER_06 54:37

Like the tea like the teacups in Disneyland.

SPEAKER_02 54:41

Yes. We're gonna do that, and then um we're gonna go get things burned off of our bodies, and I'll have to show you all my all my scarring afterwards. I I uh I do want to next week maybe uh spend some time talking to you about healthy things that people can do right now because I think our nutrition is bad, I think our exercise is bad, I think our medical advice is bad. I don't trust one damn thing I see on TikTok or any place else because the FDA is, in my opinion, completely disappointing.

SPEAKER_06 55:22

They are putting someone in charge of the CDC who's who's solid.

SPEAKER_04 55:25

Who's solid?

SPEAKER_06 55:26

And you Yeah, I know I know her personally from my company.

SPEAKER_04 55:29

That's cool.

SPEAKER_06 55:30

Yeah, she she reads my she reads my analysis and and she's impressed by me. So but but but she she was um she she was um uh lieutenant general in the Coast Guard and Public Health Service.

SPEAKER_02 55:42

Um what I would like to do is spend some time on what everyday people like Larry and I can do to stay healthy right now until we get this.

SPEAKER_06 55:51

The most important thing is be active.

SPEAKER_02 55:55

Be up and going.

SPEAKER_06 55:57

Yeah, and don't do too much old high highly refined, don't do too much sugar.

SPEAKER_02 56:03

Those those are your two biggest well, think about it, because what I want to do is go through my list. I want to go through my list of things on TikTok that I thought, oh, I'll buy this, I'll buy that, NAD, all that kind of crap, and I want your thumbs up or thumbs down.

SPEAKER_06 56:17

I do N A D.

SPEAKER_02 56:18

Do you? Do you like it?

SPEAKER_06 56:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:22

That's the kind of thing I want to do because I trust your opinion.

SPEAKER_06 56:25

Fish oil, NAD.

SPEAKER_02 56:27

I do fish oil because of you.

SPEAKER_06 56:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:31

I do do fish oil, and I do vitamin B12 shots because your surgery. Well, and with uh yeah, because I'm so uh anemic.

SPEAKER_06 56:42

Yeah, yeah. I get iron infusions. I was getting them pretty regular, and now this last one's lasted me over a year.

SPEAKER_02 56:50

Oh, really? And they just test your blood your iron?

SPEAKER_06 56:53

Yeah, yeah. My yeah, yeah, the thing that really matters is the ferritin level.

SPEAKER_02 56:57

Okay, so I'm gonna go through my TikTok um shopping cart, which I'll have I happily say I never bought one thing, but I went through it and said, Oh, what about this? And oh, what about that? And I would just like to, I would just like I have a guilty confession.

SPEAKER_06 57:11

I love me some TikTok shop.

SPEAKER_02 57:14

Do you?

SPEAKER_06 57:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:17

I have a video card. Nothing's nothing, I haven't bought anything. And it's part of that's because I've been on the road for so long. Where would they send it?

SPEAKER_06 57:26

Right. All right, all right. Love you, Paula.

SPEAKER_02 57:29

I love you too. Have a good week.

SPEAKER_06 57:31

Okay, all right, bye bye.