TOQ-Back: Ep 23

The cast talks werewolves, druids, and corporate conspiracies

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SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hello. I'm still buzzing from that episode, actually. We had so much fun.

SPEAKER_03 0:09

We just finished and cleared the SD cards and then started, and now we're starting again. Yeah. So we had like a break, but we're in it.

SPEAKER_01 0:16

We had a break behind the scenes. We all wanted to talk about the episode, but we couldn't, so we were just like, and the weather. Yeah. The snow.

SPEAKER_03 0:22

Yeah. So what'd you guys would you guys think of the episode? You have fun.

SPEAKER_02 0:25

It was fun.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

This was so much fun.

SPEAKER_02 0:28

It felt straightforward at first, and then you threw so many, you threw so many red herrings at us this time that I that it kept casting doubt.

SPEAKER_03 0:35

I was like, I'm not gonna do Madame de Usa again.

SPEAKER_00 0:38

When all the arrows point to this. Yeah, this felt more like an open, like kind of video game mansion where like I'm going around in each room and seeing what I can find and then moving to talk to someone else. So yeah, it felt very organic.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

And it felt like a very like slow burn Agatha Christie murder mystery. Yeah. Like where you're not really sure what's going on. It doesn't really feel like there's a ton of like pressure or like time pressure. It's more just like, what happened? What's going on in this world? And then to end with the way that we ended, it like ramped up the t-like, it just I that's exactly what those mysteries feel like. It's chill until all of a sudden it is not. Yeah. I loved that.

SPEAKER_03 1:15

Hell yeah, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:16

Yeah, and I'm I'm convinced that Valdrick is uh is is not being very truthful with us.

SPEAKER_02 1:23

Or yeah, that's my I have a I have a theory on Valdrick. Um I'd love to hear it. I think he's well, I think he's just a bad guy, um and maybe a little bit racist towards lycanthropes, or like I don't know what his deal is, but um it's not racism towards lycanthropes.

SPEAKER_03 1:42

I will say that I will say that much. Don't feel like you have to bark up that tree.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

Does not like Nerva for whatever reason and has hired basically a hitman um to frame because he can't just kill.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

Maybe she has something on him or something. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:57

Yeah, that's good. Whatever it is, um, I I think I think he's just like because there's that ledger page missing, so I'm like, like dirty money happened on that page, whatever it was. Yep. And so I think he may have paid Katya um to frame Nerva and then also have her here to to like kill Nerva. So I think Katya is is maybe just responding to money. She seems like a mercenary, she knows Seely. Like, I think I think she's just the hired the hired muscle.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because Nerva is a high priestess of fate, so likely she knows some things.

SPEAKER_03 2:34

You guys uh you got some things right and some things wrong, and that's all I will say. Great. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

Wow. Um, I guess favorite parts of the episode, maybe or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 2:44

Yeah, so I guess we'll start we'll start at the start. Um you guys uh went out and first you talked to Raoul and Raina, um, had had a little interaction with them, and then went out to investigate the the the avalanche, the heap. Um I liked Lucy casting thunderclap on the like the the thing that like famously loud sounds, you know. Which is funny.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

I was like, oh, this will blow some of the snow away, and then it just made it worse.

SPEAKER_03 3:11

No, that's fun. That's really fun.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

Yeah. I liked yeah, I liked that move a lot. Um I liked I liked getting time to just like shovel with Bale.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

Yeah, that was sweet.

SPEAKER_02 3:22

Yeah, which is the thing I'm stressed about um later, but I'll get back to that. But um Okay. Yeah, because I think uh I think just having that little that little dig time is just like Bale was an interesting character to me. Um and that's all I'll say.

SPEAKER_03 3:40

I was gonna I was gonna have it be his big secret that he likes painting miniatures, and if you like investigated his cave, you'd like find a secret door that leads to his like miniature chamber. Oh but then he was just like chatting with you and you were like, What are you into? And he was like, I guess miniatures.

SPEAKER_00 3:56

Um I used to paint miniatures.

SPEAKER_03 3:57

Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

Oh, that's cool. I love that.

unknown 4:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:00

Then so you guys uh went inside, continued having your conversations. Uh uh, I believe you investigated the body before going to brunch, right?

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, we found Rex and Lucy went into the room and found the body. Yeah. That was fun. Yeah, liked that. It was fun to find that body. Yeah. Yeah. I just love anytime that Rex and Lucy are in a situation over their heads.

SPEAKER_03 4:21

Yeah, anytime they have to deal with something alone is I think making it.

SPEAKER_04 4:25

I will say I don't I don't feel great about how like I had Rex respond to it because it was very like kind of like nonchalant, I guess. And I was like, I uh I think maybe there's a reality in which that's the case, but I probably should have like matched the I mean that yesterday he he said he was like I'm going to live forever.

SPEAKER_03 4:45

Yeah, he's like, I'm gonna live forever, no one's gonna ever kill me. Yeah, that was great.

SPEAKER_04 4:48

So he's like kind of a He's a dick.

SPEAKER_03 4:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

I I speaking of like kind of wish we reacted differently. When you were playing the rich asshole, I was like, oh, Lucy should have played it rich asshole too. We could have rich asshole together, rather than I was trying to like heighten your assholery by like saying no and like give you something to work off of, kind of like egg you on. No, I think it's helpful. A rich asshole coupled together.

SPEAKER_03 5:12

Yeah, I feel I feel like what you did was perfect because I think that it gave like if you guys had both been terrible, I think Valdrick might have reacted stronger in a way that would have taught you less. Like um, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:25

The fact that he was trying to hide it, which is also very telling.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

He had somebody on his side. Yeah, okay, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 5:30

Yeah. So then you guys had your brunch.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

Yeah. We learned a ton.

SPEAKER_04 5:36

We learned so much, and I I don't want to jump the gun, but my the thing I've been like dying to talk about is um in that in that moment when you were explaining that like she went like that uh the previous daughter of fate had you know disappeared. No one knows what happened to her. And I put down my microphone and I go to Sarah, you're my mom. Yes. That's what I because that's what I was thinking with like the very similar and then I did the math in my head and was like, oh, that makes no sense. Yeah. But like I was like, what if Rex what if the two people we're talking about here of like mysterious, you know, uh Queen uh Juliana and the daughter of fate were the same person? Yeah, but I timeline-wise 23 years ago wouldn't make sense.

SPEAKER_03 6:28

Yeah, no, yeah, I I'll I'll I'll confirm that that's not the case.

SPEAKER_04 6:30

Um but I loved thinking it for a minute. I literally actually did the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 6:34

I was like, yeah. And then it's like, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:36

Yeah. Yeah. Did you also think that?

SPEAKER_01 6:38

No.

SPEAKER_04 6:39

Did you just think that just right now?

SPEAKER_01 6:40

Yeah, and I also got excited for a second, and then I was like, oh yeah, you're right, that doesn't work out.

SPEAKER_04 6:43

But I was like, oh how fun would that have been?

SPEAKER_01 6:45

Oh my goodness. Is it too late to change? That's why we both have bronze hair.

SPEAKER_02 6:48

You're it's too late to change. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

It would be more of an ant situation.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

Because we did we did confirm that it is more of an avatar situation where if a daughter of fate dies, then another daughter of fate must be.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

I love that in my mind, then I'm picturing clothes going, I'm horny again.

SPEAKER_00 7:11

I gotta go hook up with somebody.

SPEAKER_03 7:13

The vibes on that aren't great.

SPEAKER_02 7:16

Which which we don't know that that's exactly the case, but I am, but it does, it does make me more interested in like uh what the romance or a romantic situation between her and Titus is. It's like, was it really was it a romantic thing? Was it like not romantic? Like, was it more scholarly? Like I do think like that happened.

SPEAKER_04 7:41

Yes, yeah, like not like that.

SPEAKER_03 7:43

Well, that's it, it's it's the type of thing where it's like it's not that she, you know, if she doesn't have a daughter, she's immediately like, fuck mankind. It's more that like she proactively does it to keep herself grounded. Right. Um, and to like focus her love.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

Which I still think I have like j I I understand it's out of love, but I'm also like that sense of like needing to do it to feel grounded is a little bit Well, parenting is inherently selfish, yeah. Like there's a sense of I I need you to help me. There's nothing as a child.

SPEAKER_00 8:15

You can't have a child completely selflessly.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

Um also I feel like there's going to be some like I don't know, it feels weird to have your parent like have had a kid and then their kid dies, so they have another kid to fill the void of that earlier child. So like you can't get a new dog. Well, you can't but feel compared, you know? Like did are you do you miss that version? And do I am I living up to that version? That person was a general. Like, yeah, I feel like that's gonna be interesting.

SPEAKER_03 8:46

You also learned that she was with Europhone's crew, at least for a day.

SPEAKER_01 8:48

Yes, that was so and then they betrayed her. Yes, I'm gonna kill them.

SPEAKER_02 8:54

Yeah, oh, absolutely. For sure.

SPEAKER_04 8:56

Uh I think it's like uh, you know, maybe a a want versus like a compulsion. Like you were born out of a need as opposed to like born out of like I want to have another child. Like, I need this for my shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very interesting. Complex.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

Hashtag is the only champion of Clothis. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 9:19

But I also got like the uh is it Clothus again? Like, I'm like, it just because just because Clothus has business with you doesn't necessarily mean that they're your patron, right?

SPEAKER_04 9:31

It also would be so funny if you were Clothis's uh, you know, uh patron. Son of fate. And then and Lucy was is the you know for another god. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:44

I'm the first boy daughter of fate. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 9:47

Oh, I like that. I was thinking, wait, what's what's his name? Who's the who's the trickster god?

SPEAKER_00 9:52

Phoenix. Phoenix.

SPEAKER_02 9:53

Phoenix. Phoenix. I was like, oh no, what if what if Chloe's uh or Patch's uh patron is actually that Phoenix guy? Just pretending to be Clothes and just fucking with Patch. Damn. That's funny.

SPEAKER_04 10:06

Well, actually, a big mogus head.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

He's turning.

SPEAKER_02 10:11

I like that Patch is still a mystery. Like Patch keeps getting more mysterious with who they're.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

What's going on with me? Everyone's got their shit.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

What's up with Patch?

SPEAKER_00 10:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:23

I like that you guys all immediately clocked that Nerva was a werewolf. You were like, oh, she's been sick, she's been here a month. You were like, she's a werewolf, but there's other shit going on. Like we have to learn more.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

Um it would be rude for us to just come out and say it. Yeah. Yes. And it was also one of those interesting things of like, we trust her. Yeah. So it didn't immediately make us suspicious, but it was like we trust Yemma. Right. Exactly. But we couldn't like ignore it either.

SPEAKER_03 10:46

And that that was the type of thing where I was like, that's why I I felt comfortable having Yemma come in at the end. Because I was like, you all already kind of know that nervous is a werewolf. I'm not like being like, and here's the solution to the mystery. I'm just like gluing together two of the puzzle pieces to be like, okay, these pieces fit.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

And I'm actually really glad because I really didn't want to talk to Clothas, but I was like, that's Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:05

I I I was I was like, I feel like we we had 20 minutes left on the SD card. I was like, we have to finish fast. No, I'm glad you did that. Um I liked I liked how you guys clocked that. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:17

Oh, I loved the uh um like connecting the greenhouse to the Wolfsbane. Yeah. That was really satisfying.

SPEAKER_03 11:24

Yeah. Yeah. Um which now uh I won't say what I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_02 11:30

Wolfsbane is interesting. And and that's part of the reason why I was like I was like, this guy sucks. Um Voldric. Because I was like, oh Wolfsbane. Voldric is probably the one who planted it, who knows about it. And like that's that's what made me think he's being racist.

SPEAKER_01 11:51

Um that was me, my other question. And I was I wanted to message you, but I was like, there's no way that Lucy would like be able to hear this conversation. But I wanted to ask about how long it takes Wolf Wolfsbane to grow. Like, does it take a month for it to grow or does it take two weeks for it to grow?

SPEAKER_02 12:05

I can also just remove plants. Oh, yeah, that's true. That's true.

SPEAKER_03 12:08

I can answer that as far as like this soil is specifically infused to grow plants fast. Um in real life, Wolf Spain takes like, I think, three years to mature. But like um in it both in fantasy world, maybe it's doesn't mature as fast.

SPEAKER_02 12:24

And also um in this soil, it it it kind of in in a world where like plant growth is a spell is fine.

SPEAKER_03 12:32

Yeah, this is this is essentially plant growth infused soil. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:36

Uh tangent. Uh last week I was in Colorado, we went up to Pike's Peak, and there was grass there that takes a hundred years to grow an inch.

SPEAKER_03 12:42

That's awesome. Oh, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 12:45

It was like a good three inches, four inches.

SPEAKER_03 12:48

Three or four inches? That's that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

That's a generous.

SPEAKER_04 12:52

I think we're we're off here.

SPEAKER_02 12:54

All the boys just went.

SPEAKER_04 12:59

I hope not.

SPEAKER_03 13:02

If that's three or four inches, yikes.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

Who told you that?

SPEAKER_03 13:12

And why would you want to why would you?

SPEAKER_01 13:17

I just want to remind myself when it turns 350. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:19

That's helpful.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

350.

SPEAKER_03 13:20

Um let's see. So then you guys went back, you had your like party split where you guys uh patch talked to Katya. Um, that was fun splitting today. And I I really like it when you guys split for the mysteries because it's fun to just like and we cut over.

SPEAKER_01 13:34

Especially because they're like conversation based. So it's not really like we have to stay together because of combat or like moving around for plot. It's like, oh, like it's fun to separate those personalities for conversation. And they've been contained.

SPEAKER_00 13:47

Like I know that like Janice is outside. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:50

Like I and I and I think that I was trying my best to be like, okay, and we look at the thing now, uh, just because I was like, we have so much to get through. Yeah. And uh everyone was very on like on what they were going for and very purpose-driven.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

Do you feel like we got through uh the the amount of chunk that you wanted us to get through?

SPEAKER_03 14:08

Yeah, I I was worried that you guys would immediately be like put together that the werewolf attack. So like there's only one set of tracks, and there's the feathers. Like the tracks are only coming to the lodge, not coming out of the lodge. So it's like there's something screwy about if it's just a traditional werewolf attack, like it would be a little different. Yeah. Um, I was worried you guys were gonna immediately put that together, immediately be like, okay, who's a druid? And like solve it like that.

SPEAKER_02 14:38

Which which I didn't Druid didn't even cross my mind until we were in Katya's room and it like mentioned she was a druid, and we were like, oh, druids can also turn into animals.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

Which was again a super satisfying way for that, like beat for that to turn it. Yeah, I felt like we were doing a lot of detecting.

SPEAKER_00 14:54

Yeah, I'm glad you're in that way.

SPEAKER_04 14:57

Yeah, yeah, but I'm I'm very excited to fight.

SPEAKER_00 14:59

Me too. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 15:00

I'm I'm so excited for the like split of this fight where like some of you will be focusing on uh uh uh possibly Bale and Katya. Some of you will be focusing on Valdrick. That's really cool.

SPEAKER_02 15:12

That's the thing I'm stressed about is uh I think Bale is a good guy, and I don't want him to get caught in the crossfire. Yeah. Is why I'm stressed about the fight.

SPEAKER_03 15:24

He seems like a good guy who was told there's a werewolf who killed one of our patrons.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

Yeah. Is this what you were um referencing earlier? Yes. Yeah, this is what you had lovely talk that you might have to.

SPEAKER_02 15:36

Yeah, after we like kind of bonded, like because I was thinking I was like, oh, Janice does woodworking and whittling, he can make him a miniature and give it to Bale to paint. Which he'll probably still do. Spoilers.

SPEAKER_04 15:48

Um Well, yeah. If Bale ends up being chilled, then like Rex is just gonna make him the new manager of the hotel. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 15:57

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but that's the thing, is that is if we would like, we gotta not kill Bale, we gotta get him to reason with us, hopefully.

SPEAKER_01 16:05

I think we can keep Bale out of the fight. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 16:09

That's another piece of the puzzle.

SPEAKER_01 16:10

Bail out.

SPEAKER_03 16:11

I know. Bail out. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:14

Bail out. That's that's that's something that's said.

SPEAKER_03 16:18

That is a phrase. And you're right.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

Guys, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04 16:21

I was banking on a laugh, but I think we've got like three minutes.

SPEAKER_03 16:27

Um that's another piece of the puzzle. Sorry, I checked out. Valdrick looking for a promotion. Um, and like looking to take that take that job.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

That was a yeah, being in the in the office with that.

SPEAKER_04 16:39

Yeah, and that was a gift that you gave. Cause I wasn't, I had completely forgotten that we could investigate that room. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 16:46

Well, fully like I also haven't written off Valdric from being a Ware Raven. I'm like, this this could just be hotel transformation here, where everyone's uh shakeshift.

SPEAKER_01 16:56

Welcome to the hotel transformation.

SPEAKER_04 16:59

Name of the episode?

SPEAKER_01 17:01

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:02

I'm also excited just to the next episode to start and for me to connect my Rex's fist with his face. Oh yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 17:10

Uh do you want to roll your attack roll for that right now?

SPEAKER_00 17:13

No. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 17:16

So do I get advantage on my initiative because I first advantage for getting down from the room.

SPEAKER_03 17:27

They're not gonna act in the first round. Okay. So that's your because you're all just like popping off right now, they're not gonna act in the first round.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Great. Oh, that's best case scenario. Yeah, we're freaking out.

SPEAKER_03 17:35

Um yeah, and I like you guys in the end, like coming together in your room being like, what the fuck? What the fuck?

SPEAKER_01 17:40

Yes, I was waiting for that.

SPEAKER_03 17:42

Yeah. Um cool. Well, uh, we're gonna wrap things up because let us know.

SPEAKER_01 17:48

Um, I don't know if this is a stupid question to ask, but let us know if what you'd like to hear more of in these, I guess. Absolutely. Do you like it when we go off on a tangent? Do you like it when we like recap the whole episode? Do you like I don't know. I heard my sister likes forehead kisses, so we could do more of those. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 18:04

Uh Matt, come here. Come here, buddy.

SPEAKER_04 18:06

No, I got a hat on.

SPEAKER_03 18:08

Oh, sorry. Um yeah, yeah, that's a great point. Let us know what you want.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

That sounds so pandering.

SPEAKER_03 18:14

No, but it's like, you know, they're they're you know.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

We gotta take it serious.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

Just tell us. Tell us. Tell us what we want.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

Oh god. Willing to do it.

SPEAKER_02 18:24

Being so coy.

SPEAKER_00 18:25

Cut it out.

SPEAKER_03 18:25

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SPEAKER_02 18:33

Bye.

SPEAKER_03 18:35

Dee doo dee doo.