Why I HAD to Build This

Cody shares the personal story behind TALEN†S from early life experiences, to working out of necessity, to realizing that success on paper still didn’t bring fulfillment.

This is a conversation about the disconnect so many people feel between their work, their money, and their purpose.

Why do some people make money and still feel lost?
Why does success sometimes feel hollow?
Why do so many people feel disconnected from their gifts, calling, and clarity?

This episode explores the deeper reason TALEN†S started: to bring clarity to money, work, purpose, and stewardship for this generation.

If you’ve ever felt stuck, unfulfilled, confused about money, or unsure how your gifts connect to your future, this episode is for you. #Talents

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

A lot of people have been asking what is talents? What are you building? Best way to really explain that is not to explain it, but to just give you the story. When I was 14, I got a job really out of necessity. I started to notice that there was people that I worked with. I remember at 14 going, oh my gosh, this is so clear to me. You have two people doing the same job. One loves it, one hates it. And I'm sitting back and I go, I'm I'm a millionaire on paper. I just remember feeling this is not satisfying. There is a disconnect people feel stuck between the work that they do, the money that they make, and the actual gifts and the skills that they're using. Most of that comes from lack of clarity.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

Where did the purpose piece play into this?

SPEAKER_00 1:01

And I was riding my bike with my buddies. My dad signaled for me to pull over, so he pulled over into this parking lot. And it was the first time in my childhood that I can remember seeing him play. Welcome to another episode of Talents Podcast. I am Cody Williams. And if you're new here, uh here's some quick context. Uh I am a pastor, an entrepreneur, an investor. Uh I've been doing business since I was a teenager, uh, startups, sales, um, foundering, founding companies. I've kind of done it all. And uh I also have five daughters. And um I am here because I keep coming back to the same conversations and seeing the same patterns. And uh so I just want to have conversations around what I'm seeing and how I've been helping people um on a local level and how I think I can help people on a broader level. So that's really what talent is about. I have with me today my co-host Danny Matthews.

SPEAKER_01 2:08

What's up?

SPEAKER_00 2:09

How are you? Hi, Danny. Danny uh owns his own post-production company called United Post House. And uh he is a genius at making things look good in post-production. Me blush. Uh commercial, right? Mostly commercial projects. So um very talented at what you do. But Danny's also somebody who is helped helping me uh build talent literally from the ground up. And uh so he's he's not sitting here just because he's good with a camera, he's here because uh he's he's actually been deeply involved in in what we're doing. And um it's been super helpful to me just having you by my side and in and strategizing some things. So I'm grateful to have you today.

SPEAKER_01 2:54

Yeah, man. Appreciate being on and excited for this conversation, honestly.

SPEAKER_00 2:57

Yeah. So we're here today because a lot of people have been asking me, what is talents? What are you building? What's it about? And um, I think the best way to really explain that is not to explain it, but to just give you a story. Um, so we're gonna talk about a few different stories today. But before I do that, there's probably two things that um I'd want to name uh if if if I could um around talents and some of the vision behind it. Uh number one is um I think that we are living in a world where the playbook that we currently are operating from, it doesn't only not work, but it doesn't exist anymore. And there's this paradigm, this frame that uh we've been living off of that we were kind of handed. Uh it really came uh around from the industrial revolution. You know, it's this idea of like go to a good school, you know, get a good job, save, save, save, so you can finally start living at 65. And I think it's broken. I don't think it works in today's world. And I think a lot of people are feeling that. Um, some people, as soon as they hear me say that, they get it and they're like, yep, totally understand. Um, others are like, oh, that's that's that's what's wrong with with me. But there's uh it's a broken framework that uh needs to be addressed. And uh technology and AI and some of those things are forcing the issue right now. Uh, but I actually think it's beyond just technology, it's not the only cause. Um so there's a big part of me that wants to just have that conversation, uh, that we're in a broken framework. And then so that would kind of be the outward appearance, if you will, the the world around us that we live in that affects the way that we're moving. The other part would be more internal for me. And that is um what I would call a broken internal connection or lack of clarity. Um I think that most people aren't necessarily stuck in trying to figure out like what they're good at. I can sit down with somebody and if I really press you, I'm like, hey, what are you good at? And you get past the whole false humility and all that kind of stuff, and you finally get into like the nitty-gritty of like, well, I'm I'm good with people and I'm good at doing this. And most people can name those things, but there is a disconnect between the work that they do, the money that they make, and the actual gifts and the skills that they're using. Um, and I think most of that comes from lack of clarity. I think most of that uh comes from not necessarily not knowing things, but not having alignment in things. So my passion in this entire conversation is really to help people get a new framework that we can live by. Right. And then um helping them identify the lack of clarity that they have internally that keeps them from aligning their life in the way that I think brings them to the most fulfilled, happy, content place, a place full of purpose. I think people want that more than ever, but a lot of people feel stuck. So I really want to name those two things because that's that's really my mission here within talents.

SPEAKER_01 6:19

What I love about it is like so relevant to today's conversations that people have with, you know, what's the bigger purpose than this? I I think the question that no one really seems to answer is what's happening in the beliefs that I have inside of me. I mean, where did this come for you? Like, where did this, like, how did it come up? Where did you discover this? Like, why, why is it the internal beliefs that they're kind of running down that they don't address?

SPEAKER_00 6:42

Yeah, that's a great question. I think for me, it probably started when I was around 14, maybe even younger, but there's moments uh in my life that I remember very vividly that were like marking moments. And I think all of us are that way. I think if we stop and look back at what I call our money story, which is really the the internal script that dictates the way that we make decisions, we can start to identify different moments in our lives that really marked us. And one of the the first marking moments for me that I can go back to when I was 14, I uh got a job uh really out of necessity uh because my dad had left and my mom was working a couple jobs, and money was tight. He wasn't paying child support at the time because he he didn't have any money. And so I got a job. My uncle got me a job with the maintenance team on a 32-acre our church property, 32 acres. There's a college campus on there and a school on high school on there, and um this big church. And I got a job working with my adopted grandpa. Uh, I call him grandpa Bob. Okay, uh, an amazing human being. And talking about formative years, man, getting a full-time job at 14, 425 an hour. That's you know, or 25 an hour. Or 25 an hour. I can't imagine working for 425 an hour. Yeah, I mean, that was uh minimum wage when I got that. You know, that's where you started. That was the baseline. That's insane. And uh yeah, so 14 working 40 hours a week and at 425 an hour. It was it kind of my first real experience of walking into a work environment and learning about how to do a job and how to have a boss and a manager and work with a team. And uh so I got this job, it was incredible. It was so fun. I learned so much working with my uncle, but I started to notice something. I started to notice that there was people that I worked with one absolutely loved their job, loved what they did, they were good at it, they were skilled at it, they took ownership in it, they did a great job. It was almost like their craft or their art. And I was so impressed with those people, but then there'd be somebody right next to them doing the exact same job, but they were miserable. They hated what they were doing, they weren't happy to even be at work, they they hated that they had to do what they were doing, they seemed to feel stuck and frustrated, and every conversation was kind of like the the glass is half empty. Right. And just this perspective of I hate all this, but I have to do this because this is my job. I remember at 14 going, oh my gosh, this is so clear to me. You have two people doing the same job. One loves it, one hates it. And it became really clear to me, oh, it's important that you do something that you uh are good at, that you feel called to do, that brings purpose to your life, that that you're excited to wake up in the morning and go to work and do.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

At this point, was that the verbiage you were putting to it, or was it just like a sense that you had in that?

SPEAKER_00 10:18

It was just more of an observation. I mean, I was always a kind of curious kid, and I always was observing people. I was always I was always learning uh, you know, those things, but they um they they they it that experience really showed me wow, I I it's really important that I I learn this now because I don't want to be that guy that's miserable. Yeah. As I began to get older, you see multiple people, adults, people come to me all the time and they're miserable in their job. They hate what they're doing, they don't, they don't like their life in that capacity. And a job is something that they do to to bring in the money to pay their bills, and then they try to live, you know, in the off hours. And that just feels so broken to me. Like, why would you choose that? And I think a lot of people choose that not because they knew they were choosing that, but because they felt like they needed to, and now they feel stuck, but they don't know what else to do because they've built this life around this job. Yeah, that's so true. That's so true.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

I if I were to back up the conversation a little bit, you said you had this adopted Uncle Bob, right? Grandpa Bob, right? Grandpa Bob. Where did he come from? Like, where was his role in this? Seems like he played a pretty pivotal moment in your life in terms of just kind of walking with you and getting you this job.

SPEAKER_00 11:43

Yeah, I mean, the uh I love talking about him. He he he's no longer with us, he passed away. And um I just it was the way that he was so intentional to to work with me at a young age and teach me and show me things. Yeah. And he would challenge me, but then also let me do things. Like I remember he he'd let me drive this little Dotson truck around the 32 acres, even though I was 14 and literally didn't have a license. It was a stick shift, so I got to learn how to drive a stick shift at 14. That's when he became a real man. Yeah, it just was one of those like this is a uh, this is like I'm getting initiated into you know the real life. I love that, if you will. Um, but also he was there for me because uh my dad had left when I was 13 in a a year prior, the actually the summer prior to to this this job. And I think that um it was people like him that stepped into my life that really had a massive, massive impact.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

That's so beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 12:50

Oh yeah, he was there for me when we were going through a very difficult time.

SPEAKER_01 12:55

So this difficult time that you're talking about, even like your dad not being there, what what was that dynamic like? How did you kind of walk through that? Because you know, you had you had Uncle Bob, um, grandpa Bob, Grandpa Bob. You keep calling him Uncle Bob. Dude, I know I just got it stuck in my mind that it's Uncle Boba Bob.

SPEAKER_00 13:13

Everyone needs a grandpa Bob in there.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

So put it down on your to-do list, you need a grandpa Bob. If you don't have one, your life is just not in. Well, I need a grandpa Bob. So at this point, I mean Uncle Bob, gosh, dang it, man. Grandpa Bob walked in and he stepped in as like more of a father role. I mean, where was your dad at this point and why wasn't he really in the picture?

SPEAKER_00 13:32

Yeah, well, uh again, back up to to 13, the summer of 13, I was living a pretty happy life, I thought. And I was riding my bike with my buddies just a summer day. And my my dad, he came up and found us uh riding our bikes kind of by a grocery store by our our neighborhood. And he signaled for me to pull over, so he pulled over into this parking lot and he told my friends, Hey, uh, I gotta talk with Cody, you guys can go on and keep riding. And so he kind of they so they leave and I get off my bike and I get in my dad's car. And I knew something was going on because he started to cry.

SPEAKER_01 14:19

But was that not like a normal thing in your family?

SPEAKER_00 14:21

It was the first time in my adult my childhood that that I can remember seeing him cry. So I knew something was going on, and he essentially just said, Hey, I um working through some stuff and I'm gonna be gone for a couple weeks. And um didn't give me a lot of context, was kind of depressed about some things, and so I didn't have a lot of context, but I was like, Okay, dad, like do what you need to do. You know, like I I I loved him, he's always a loving father, so I never felt um I didn't have a childhood where my dad wasn't loving. He was always very, very loving, but just had his own internal demons, if you will. Yeah. And was was trying to deal with those while also being a dad and a husband.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

And at this point, when when he's saying all this, like what is going through your head? Like, oh, like I'll see you later, dad. Or is it like did you sense something?

SPEAKER_00 15:16

Well, at first I was feeling like he's okay, go do what you need to do. Yeah, like go, yeah, great. Like that made sense to me. It didn't seem like a big deal. It's like, yeah, go spend a couple weeks.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

Right.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

I got home, he left, I got back on my bike, I rode home. When I got home, my mom and my sister were there, and they were crying, and my aunt and my uncles are there, and they're crying, and I'm like, oh, this is when it became like apparent. This is a bigger issue than I think I'm realizing in my own little 13-year-old brain. Like something's actually going on here, and that's when I I got a little bit more clarity about like, oh, he's he's he's he's gone. And in a couple weeks turned into a couple years, which turned into uh many years. But it was that night that I was laying in my bed going to sleep, and I was processing what was happening. But if I'm being really transparent, I wasn't processing, oh my gosh, my dad just left me. I wasn't crying and uh or angry or anything. I was sitting there thinking to myself, what am I going to do about all this? Because the truth is, is that in these situations, I for some reason at 13 I was very aware I kind of have a pass right now. Like my dad just left, and I can kind of do what I want to do, like pursue curiosities or partying or whatever that might look like. I could walk away from you know my walk with God because my dad was kind of doing that. And I I have a I have a grace card. Everyone's gonna have sympathy and compassion for me because like I have I have the ultimate excuse. Right to, you know, everyone's oh, Cody's dad left and this and that. And that was the thought I was having. I was like, what am I gonna do about this? And I remember thinking, do I want to do that? What could that look like? And then another, it's kind of like the devil on one shoulder and an angel on the other. And then I had this other thought about, or I could try to be the man of the house and I can try to take care of like my mom and sister, which is a really funny thing to say because I'm like four foot eight, 97 pounds. Like I'm just this tiny guy.

SPEAKER_01 17:45

That's crazy. Where where did you feel like that thought came from of oh, I I should take down the man of the house role at 13, right?

SPEAKER_00 17:52

Well, it was it it all came back to my relationship with God for me. Because even as a 13-year-old, there were moments throughout my childhood where we struggled financially, we were tighter, the church jumped in and really helped us. There was moments where I didn't have food, much food in the fridge, and like our house church, you know, came to the door and and showed up with, you know, refrigerator-sized box full of food. And the all of those moments were moments for me where I never questioned God. I uh there was something that was very clear to me, and that God is your provider. God, God is God is in the middle of whatever storm you're in, and he's with you. And I think a lot of times as kids, we treat adults too, for that matter, yeah, but we treat God as kind of this um this vending machine of when I need something, I come to him. Yeah. When I need something, I'm I I I pray. Yeah. And then if we get that thing that we were praying for, we're happy. If we don't, we're like, well, God didn't show up. God didn't do this for me. And I don't think that a relationship with Jesus is all about just no problems. Uh, you know, you follow Jesus, you have no issues. It's it's it's less about that, and it's more about understanding that in this life we will have problems, we will go through pain, we will go through hard times, we will go through different difficult situations, but God is in the center of all of that with us. And that was something that I was very clear on. I was very, when I laid there in bed and I processed, like, what do I do about this? I was pretty strong in that. Like, no, I know God's real. Like, I'm not just have a relationship with God because my parents kind of raised me that way. And now my dad's walking away from that, so I can walk away from that. Uh, there was something deeper that was there that really propelled me to make that decision that night. Like, no, I'm gonna stay faithful. And I asked God, I said, God, I'm gonna stay faithful, but I need you to be here with me. And uh, I I I prayed that night, God, don't let me go through this as an adult. And I remember saying, God, I'll follow you, but you gotta bless me when I'm an adult because I don't want to have to go through the same issues and heartache and financial tight times and all that kind of stuff as my family did. So uh that was a a really big marking moment in my life as well that really led me into the job at 14 and starting to see things in a different light.

SPEAKER_01 20:41

I'm I'm curious, is like where does this start to connect the dots of where we are at today with talents? Of where where was kind of the pivotal moments that really tied all this together for you?

SPEAKER_00 20:52

Well, I noticed the patterns of people in a really unique way, even as a teenager. And I think that there's there's something about the word stewardship that is so underrated that we we we think of stewardship as this boring thing we have to do. I gotta be responsible and I gotta steward. But the reality is when you have nothing, you still have stewardship. You still have the ability to wake up and say, God, I'm gonna steward whatever it is you put in front of me today. And it's really about a posture, it's really about getting yourself into a place where opportunities and doors can open. So I really positioned myself in stewardship because I didn't have anything else. It was like, just give me an opportunity and I'll steward whatever that is because there there isn't anything else. And that was really that job at 14. But I started to realize oh, I'm a little bit of an entrepreneur. And I didn't know that word, that wasn't a a popular word. in the 90s, uh, but it was um something that I can now articulate. Right. But yeah, I noticed at uh 16, um I was the captain of my soccer team. We were uh undefeated our senior year. Just make that on your record. Just want to highlight that.

SPEAKER_01 22:18

Um we need the trophies for the for the actual yeah I have a trophy to to prove it.

SPEAKER_00 22:23

Okay, okay. But as the captain, it was one of the greatest experiences of my life in that we were we were a great connected team, but we also had this like really great fan base. Like all the parents came out and were like really uh championing all the players and students and friends and so um I had this idea of like how can I build on that camaraderie that we had as a team and and with all of our fans if you will where did that idea come from like was it just bam I just had this idea or was it I wanted to make shirts that custom shirts my idea was how do I amplify this this like what's happening it seems so great right so I designed a my thought my idea was if I could create a custom shirt and people custom order them right and they have the names of like their play favorite player on the back of it almost like professional athletes like I I think that's what I think I was watching like the World Series or something and I was like everyone has like their favorite jersey they buy their favorite player I was like we are our parents' favorite player right so I thought I'm gonna sell custom shirts that these parents and these friends and these siblings can buy and they can customize it to say you know like my nickname in high school is Bear so so mine I made one for my mom and my sister is like Bear's mom bear's sister yeah um I had one that said bear on the back of it and I made one for all the players that had their name but I had a teacher that was so gracious to uh let me use her computer connected me with like a printer and I like shared my idea and it was her name was Miss Gray. She was amazing and she was like oh yeah you know you can call a printer here and this is she kind of explained it to me. I'm like oh okay I can call a printer and I can they can help like mock up what I want. Yeah yeah yeah so I designed these shirts at like striped down the arms and our logo on the front and then the custom names on the back. I think I sold them for like 25 bucks which back then was more expensive for I mean come on but it was custom and everybody was so excited about it. And dude I think I made like seven or eight hundred dollars amazing selling these shirts to all the parents with inflation where we're what like 1200 bucks or something. Yeah oh yeah it was it was uh probably more probably a couple grand at this point so true but it was like wildly successful and it was though those moments I was like oh my gosh I love this like this was so fun I had an idea I had a strategy I had some creativity and I didn't like know okay well this is how you properly do it all I just went and did it and uh from there I added a uh highlight my my best friend's uh dad would film all the games so I had this idea like what if we went and edited like these videos of like highlight reels yeah this is before social media and stuff and I was like what if we were to like create highlight reels for each player and we took all the season footage that his dad had he would just get all the games and so me and my my buddy Jar man we we went in and uh we took an old camcorder and a and a V V V CR which uh those don't even really exist anymore and we we we went back and forth and that's how we edited it we'd find like all the footage of Danny and then we would edit it that way. Then I sold those for like another 25 bucks and so I made like another $700. And it was through all that that one of my friends dad uh he was a business owner uh kind of a close talker kind of a guy he'd get him like Cody you're an entrepreneur and I'm like I don't I don't even know what that is he's like oh you're an entrepreneur man you're you're you know and he'd started to call it out and me and and encourage me in that and point me to things and um so yeah I I discovered at 16 17 years old like just the the love of just building something and entrepreneurship uh when it wasn't very cool but it showed me what my experience at 14 helped me see that experience because I started to see this pattern of like okay you want to do things that you enjoy doing. When he came up was like Cody you're an entrepreneur what did that spark anything in you did that actually make you move in any kind of different position from it yeah it gave me eyes to see differently it gave me permission to say oh you don't have to follow the script the framework that we're all on in fact that person at my graduation ceremony that dad he saw somebody talking to me about uh well what college are you going to what university have you applied you know and they were very serious about you know do this I'm not against college at all but I think you should go to college because it gets you where you want to be you know if you want to be a doctor you got to go to school to get a degree but if you want to be an entrepreneur there's not a lot that school's gonna do for you and so he was a a champion in my life that said dude just go get your feet wet man just go get experience just go try things just just get out there so somebody was telling me well what college you got to go to college Cody you can't be you know you got to be doing this and he jumped into the conversation and got in this person's face he's like listen let me tell you something he didn't need to listen to you because he's an entrepreneur he's gonna go to the school just do it that's what he's gonna do you know and he and he turned around and he looked at me and he goes you don't let anybody tell you what to do you go after who you are and he just called that out of me I was like okay I'll do that that's great so having somebody champion me like that was uh multiple businessmen to be really transparent in our church that that called me out and and most of them kind of came about because I'm kind of picking up you were just doing what you thought was the right next thing to do and people just kind of showed up is that correct yeah uh I think it was stewardship that opened up doors because people saw that I was willing to work yeah that I was willing to do things that I had outside the box ideas and it was stewardship that opened up a lot of those doors because stewardship builds trust. Yeah they you know I might not be perfect I might not have everything together I might not know everything but when you have a willingness to steward and a curiosity that says I want my life to matter I want my life to have impact uh talents for me in in in a really significant way is is simply this the reality that something banning leisure uh my my my my pastor and leader at Jesus culture has taught me over the years which is just simply 97% of people will never preach behind a pulpit and it begs the question if that's the if that statistics true then then then how are you if if you're not part of that 3% how are you called to impact the world around you with the talent in your hand the gifts in your hand outside the four walls of the church I'm a hundred percent for serving in the church and helping in the church but for a lot of people that has become their version of ministry and they've never stopped to think what I do Monday through Friday might just be my ministry might just be what God's called me to do. It might not just be the thing that helps me pay my bills it might be the thing that actually helps me live a fulfilled content and happy life that has impact. Yeah uh that that conversation that paradigm with banning uh changed a lot for me because I began to see I'm personally somebody who has always had his foot in business and ministry but there's kind of a a balance between that and it's because I had leaders around me that gave me permission to think that way you know did you take the advice of of the dad and go to college or did you no I um I used the other dad's advice and um I got into uh cells actually right off the bat uh it was kind of a funny story but I when I was 19 I got an interview with a really large communication company I don't know how I got the interview but I got the interview and the the the guy uh Dennis Warbowski was his name he sounds like an actor or something sounds like from uh like Monsters Inc. man yeah Zowski just like but he uh he sat me down and I'm 19 and man I had such a baby face at 19 I I did not look old I was very very babyface and he goes well Cody um I gotta be honest with you uh looking at your resume he goes you just graduated high school you have no college education you have zero sales experience uh I'm I I guess the only question I can ask you is like why why should I hire you? Like I I don't really know why I should hire you and I was like well I I was really quick on my feet even as a 19 year old and so I look at him I said Dennis I'm really good with people and when you put something in front of me that I believe in I'm gonna move mountains to make sure people have that thing.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

I love that because it just it it just literally shows a pure example of the stewardship of word for word you just said what you're doing with stewardship taking the ownership and just running with it.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

I I I just yeah I I just love love that that was your answer to to get a job was well and in and to be honest he looked at me and he's like okay and then I leave and I'm like I didn't get that job like that that didn't go so well but I just was the answer that came to me I was like yeah you I told him I said I will make whoever hires me very successful. It's just if it's you giving me the first opportunity or somebody else.

SPEAKER_01 32:40

That's so good.

SPEAKER_00 32:41

And one of my mentors had taught me so listen if there's one skill set that you'll always be able to use it's sales. So go learn sales. Sales is communication sales is serving people so sales is helping people and and bringing value to people and so that was the first thing I thought I was like all right well I need to learn sales because sales is something I can always use and I still feel that way to this day it helps make you a better person when you actually learn the values of all of it. So I go I I tell my friends like did you get the job and I'm like no I don't think I got the job and then I'm on a trip I'm in like two weeks later I got a phone call and I I pick up the phone I don't recognize the number and I says Cody it's Dennis Robowski. I'm like oh hey Dennis how's it going and he says good he goes you know I had eight positions to fill I've hired seven of them our youngest uh employee is 32 years old and uh I've got one spot left and I'm looking at your name and I keep coming back to your name and he goes and I just keep thinking what you said and he said when you said it's just a matter of who gives me the first turn I'll make successful and he says you know it was kind of cocky kind of arrogant but I like it and he thought you know what you're right who am I to say that you're not gonna be really good at what you do so I'm gonna offer you this job. So at 19 I get a job with my own cubicle my own salary my own little plus commission things and I was uh I was there I as I was the number one rep out of the entire team the entire time I was there why why do you feel like you're number one rep though I feel I just was good at talking to people I was willing to work I was willing to to to steward my days and uh and and and do the work. And I think at a young age a lot of people need to think that way. Like if you don't have skill sets yet or reps just be willing to work and just show up. And so I did that it wasn't long lived because the company ended up going bankrupt. Oh shoot they're banned all you the commission it it it opened up the door for that which then I instantly got recruited by a home security company and what's crazy about that story is again I'm like 19 and a half this guy hires me and I I it just jumped positions very quickly to the point where he's like oh Cody's really good at this so he's like hey you're gonna be my sales manager I'm like okay what does that mean he's like we're gonna we're gonna build out a door knocking team I'm gonna buy you a 17 passenger van I'm gonna teach you how to hire I'm gonna teach you how to train I'm gonna teach you how to fire and you're gonna make a lot of money and I'm like oh okay so literally this guy he runs ad in the paper uh we interviewed 400 people over a week hired 17 he taught me how to canvas areas of it was a home security company he taught me how to canvas areas that had higher crime and that they actually needed home security systems. So for me that was a values thing I was like okay I believe in these systems because they're helping you know these areas these neighborhoods that need them that have crime going on and my job was to canvas these areas I would drive the van I would give everybody their routes all right you take these four blocks and four blocks and four blocks and then I was the closer so if somebody got somebody interested by knocking on their door they would call me and go, hey Cody, I got Mr. Smith here and he's really interested in the system and I would go and tap their shoulder and I'd go into the house and talk with these people as a 19 year old everybody's old way older than me. I still have a baby face but there was weeks where I was doing that and I was making 10 grand a week. 10K a week 10K a week and that's crazy. It was it was uh wildly successful but it was also a really great life experience that taught me okay this isn't what I'm wired to do fully like I'm not passionate about home security systems at the level that would make me go, I'm 19 and I'm gonna choose a 40 year career in this what made you even question that I think most people sitting here going dang I'll take 10K a week you know like sure there's almost half a million for salary per year. Yeah and I think a lot of people would be like why would you even question that because when you're young and you have a any mild level of success everyone will affirm that success because of your age but if you stop and go okay fast forward 15 years if I'm still doing the same thing am I happy? If I'm still living the life that I'm living right now is this fulfilling enough to go yeah I've made I've made something long term out of this opportunity and again I just got curious and I was driven at the time to make money but but not at the expense of my values and my soul and my you know what I felt called to do. But it was somebody that taught me that paradigm of when you're young and you get praised for success if it's only because you're young then you really have to question is this something I want to live in long term because no if nobody's going to be impressed with me 10 years from now because I'm older but doing the same thing um that was kind of how my brain worked and I just realized I was like yeah I I I don't this isn't there's some value things that aren't aligned. And so um but I I learned from that experience and and and I turned that into a uh real estate investment company because I was able to save money and so what made you go into real estate why why jump sales and go into real estate? Um again I I always wanted to be the guy the kid who didn't need to touch the stove to know it's hot. If you're gonna tell me the stove will burn me if I put my hand on it, then I'm gonna just go, okay, yeah I believe you because you're older than me. You seem to have some life experience that was kind of my philosophy and I remember re meeting some older people that were kind of wealthy. I liked the way that they were living I liked the values that they had and they were real estate investors. And so I got super curious about real estate maybe that's what I should be doing. So I learned that there was this thing in uh in my city Portland Oregon that was called infill development without geeking out too much on it it was essentially there were properties within the city that you could buy and divide and then build an additional house on like the yard. So it's like a house with a big yard you could divide it and then uh build a new house. And so I got super curious I I knew about a guy that owns like over a thousand homes in Portland and so I would follow his model and I would learn about what he does and then I would drive around because I didn't know what else to do and I would look at properties that I thought would be dividable and I'd write down the addresses and I found out you can go to the city planning office and you can put your name in a box and a city planner will come out and answer any questions you have. So I'd write down addresses and then I'd put my name in the box and I'd go meet with a planner I'd go, what can I do with this? What's the zoning? What's the setback requirements? What's the fire um code? What's this and that and I've just learned about land infill land development through putting my name in a box for free. So they were kind of like your resource for everything. They were my they were not just about the house but like actually teaching real estate they were my education and I remember telling one of the guys like you know all the information your head could make you like really wealthy like it and this this guy's just doing his job at 40 grand a year and full of information and but again the entrepreneur just saw that. Yeah. So uh I did this for eight months. I drove around on my off time as a 20 year old and I just wrote down addresses and I finally found one that was empty the grass was overgrown I was on a corner lot so I knew it was dividable. It seemed like the perfect storm and so I called a buddy that worked for a developer and I said hey how do I find out who owns this he's like oh well that's called a trio and title companies can pull that for you I'm like can you can you help me with that and he's like sure so he calls their title company he's like hey can you pull me a trio on this property he sends it over to me it's some bank in Indiana that owns the house so I call the number on the trio and somebody answers and I'm like yeah I'm Cody and I'm 20 and I want to buy your house and uh I'm a first time homebuyer and uh I'm really excited about it. And they're like okay well how do you know about it? I'm like well I I drove by it and I, you know, saw that it's overgrown, it's empty. They said well yeah it was a foreclosure and uh we were going to fix it up and put it on the market. And I said well why don't I just save you the time and money and they're like okay so I offer them a hundred thousand dollars they say no it they say well the loan was 115 and you would think I'm being like good hardball negotiator in this moment. Right. I didn't have a piece from God about 115. I felt like the number was a hundred so I stuck to my guns because that's what I had committed to is I was like I just feel like I'm only supposed to pay that. So I'm like yeah I I'm really only willing to pay 100 and they're like yeah we can't do that. I'm like okay sorry and I hang up and I think all right well that's done. They call me two days later and they're like well you drive a hard bargain but we're gonna accept your offer they're like I mean you really stalled us out on this one. And I was like they're like well done well played and I was like yeah I totally meant to do all that yep um but it was another lesson of like oh like like you can say no sometimes you can negotiate sometimes you can stick to your gun sometimes that was a really great lesson where I was like wow I didn't think that was going to be the outcome but that was the outcome so I buy this I buy this house uh they I bring in a contractor friend to develop it and then we divide it I sell the house to a buddy for like 120 and he ended up making a ton of money off of it which makes me super excited to know that that helped him buy their next house and step up in life and and then my contractor friend and I we built the new house and sold that so all in I had about $1200 in my bank account when I bought this house I rolled the closing costs into the loan man and I lived in my mom's garage I had it built a little room in there. So I buy this eight months later I make $86,000.

SPEAKER_01 43:43

How did you get the loan with $1200 in your account?

SPEAKER_00 43:45

Well back then they're financing this is before the crash of 08. So it was like getting money was not hard and I had decent income. I just didn't have big down payments were you still the sales driver this time uh I was just wrapping that I was doing the sales Job and then looking for real estate and training myself at real estate and on my off hours, um, which there's a whole nother lesson in that, in my opinion. I think sometimes we just got to be willing to do the hustle that that we need to do. And I I'm not like hustle culture guy, but I do believe that if you want to get somewhere, sometimes you just got to be willing to do what other people aren't willing to do. So that's what I did. But my goal was from 20 to 25 to get into real estate and as a real estate investor make $100,000.

SPEAKER_01 44:29

$100,000 seemed like between five years.

SPEAKER_00 44:31

Yeah. $100,000 seemed like a million dollars to me. Right. Especially when you're coming from like $425 minimum wage and then scaling up. I was so impressed with this idea, though, of trading, not trading time for money. That was the paradigm shift for me. That's what got me super excited about it. I was like, wow. People work jobs, they get paid an hourly wage for their job. So they're trading time for money, and then they go do what they want to do. The concept of not trading time for money, but doing things that paid multiplier higher than an hourly wage, like that's what really fueled me to go get curious and go f go get into real estate. So my goal is 100 grand by 25. I did 86 in eight months. And I took all of that and I put it into more properties. I stayed in my mom's garage. I actually owned 10 homes before I lived in one. Wow. Because I was just so driven to build this business. And uh, and in the best way to do that, if most people, you make a little bit of money and they go buy a fancy car, they go upgrade their house, they start living uh more lavishly in their monthly expenses. I just kept everything low and I just kept moving everything into the next.

SPEAKER_01 45:51

So where did the purpose piece play into this?

SPEAKER_00 45:55

Well, again, if I'm being transparent, most of my goal from 20 to 25 was to make money. The reason it was to make money was because I didn't want to put my future family through the same financial heart. I didn't want to be my dad. I didn't want to, I didn't want to have to go through all that hassle. And I had this entrepreneurial thing about me. So I just I I just wanted to make money. And when I was 25, I remember I was sitting down filling out some financials for a loan that we were going to get on a nine-lot subdivision. And I'm just, you know, they essentially want to know like your net worth. So what's what's all your assets minus your liabilities? I'm filling out all the forms. Here's all my assets, here's all my liabilities. And I had remembered as I was filling it out, I had to do this when I was 20 on one of my first projects. And they needed to know my net worth. And so this is before I had closed on that first property. Actually, it might have been how I bought the first property. I can't remember, but I filled out at 20, like my net worth. Like, and you just take, you're trying to find your net worth. You take everything you own and you give it a value, and that's your net worth. If you sold everything, how much cash would you have in your hand? So I I was like, I was like, my my my total Honda Accord was on there, my baseball cards were on there, my the reclining chair that I had in my bedroom was on there, my bed frame was on there. I just put everything I could possibly think of. I sold all this and it came up to $12,000. So my net worth at $20 was $12,000. And I was like, all right, $12,000. Here's my starting point. I'm filling this document out at $25, the same document. I'm going through everything, and I get done. It was actually on my birthday. At my 25th birthday. And I'm sitting back and I go, wow, I'm I'm a millionaire on paper. My assets minus my liabilities equaled more than a million dollars. So I'd gone from 12,000 to to quote unquote millionaire status. And I just remember feeling the reality of kind of two things. One is I've just achieved every goal that I had set. But two, this is not satisfying.

SPEAKER_02 48:17

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 48:18

I thought I was convinced if I just had money, that will solve all my problems. Money solves a lot of problems in in some ways, but money also amplifies who you are. And I realized at 25, I was like, oh, I'm on a trajectory of this is the carrot that you never catch. This is the horse track, and you're chasing this carrot and you never catch it because I wanted to make a hundred and then I wanted to make two, and then I wanted to make four, and then I wanted to make it like it just never fulfilled. It was like always more, more, more, more, more. And again, like going back to the analogy of like, you know, I want to learn from older people and not touch the stove if it's hot. I would ask older people, what did you learn? Give me a lesson in life. I love talking to old people when I was younger. Give me your life lessons. What do I need to know? None of them ever said, I wish I would have made more money. None of them said, I just wish I would have worked way more hours and made way more money. All of them talked about people, talked about family, talked about what they do with their time, the impact that they have with their life. And so it was this really big eye-opening moment at 25 where I'm like, I gotta get off this track. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 49:25

That was at 25 that you're having these conversations where you're like, where do I go next? Was this at 25 years old?

SPEAKER_00 49:32

Yeah, it was a moment that I should be celebrating, but I wasn't. I was going, oh, I don't feel any different. It didn't do what I thought it would do. So I actually swung uh big time to my life's not gonna be about money. My life's gonna be about people. So I went into full-time ministry and became a youth pastor and was like making a big bucks, right? I was like, yeah, I went from this to this, and it was like, this is what this is what my life's gonna be about. And uh interestingly enough, I I loved being a full-time pastor and youth pastor. It was fun and had an incredible youth team, and I found that I was really good at building community, and uh we were really tight as a youth team. It was really awesome. Um, I have some really fun just memories and stories from those those years. But there was one reality, and that was okay, I went for money to people, but then the entrepreneur in me still felt like something was missing. And uh one of my best friends, and we were actually pastors together at a church in Vancouver, Washington, he said, you know, some he said, I think one of the biggest mistakes was bringing you full-time into just ministry. Yeah. He said, Some people are just called to have one foot in business and one foot in ministry. And he goes, And I think you're one of those people. And how you know it is, is that if you don't have that balance of both, you're sort of overcharged in one of the areas and you don't know what to do with yourself.

SPEAKER_01 51:06

Like it's just, you know, like you you lose something. Before you got to this conversation, did you feel like it was justified to have this feeling of I still need to do this entrepreneur thing versus loving people? Or was there something in the back of your head going, no, this is just about me, whereas this is actually all about other people?

SPEAKER_00 51:29

If I were to answer that in a way that actually helps people, like the listener today, I would say that I am such a big advocate for trying things, especially at a young age. At a young age, a lot of people say follow your passion. I just think that's the worst advice ever, because at a young age, you kind of think you know what your passion is, but that passion generally is never gonna be able to pay your bills. What you should be doing is finding your talent, finding your skill, finding what you're good at. When you find your skill and your talent and what you're good at, you all of a sudden become very passionate about it. But you're not gonna find that skill and that talent at a young age unless you go get experience, unless you go try things, unless you go experiment a little bit with different jobs or different opportunities. Again, stewardship is something that should be a thread at the core of your life. But trying things doesn't mean you're not stewarding. Jumping from one job to another job at a young age doesn't mean you quit and you gave up. It just means that you're learning. So for me, real estate, investing, business, making money to ministry, people, full-time that that was me learning. That was my education in a lot of ways. That was me going, I don't want it to all be about this. I want it to be about this. Oh, I actually need it to be a little bit about this. Like that was how I learned about myself. I would have never been able to articulate that or know that if I hadn't just given myself life experiences.

SPEAKER_01 53:05

Wow. So after your pastor said this, what was your next move?

SPEAKER_00 53:11

I started to consult in business again at a small level. But that's actually when we got moved to we got the opportunity to move to Northern California, be a part of Jesus culture. And there was one thing that happened in that season that's it's I think worth noting from from an obedience perspective, and that was um when I got the job offer, it it was a ministry paying job offer. So it wasn't it was it was what I was paying in taxes at some level. And so, but I knew that we were supposed to take it, and that's a whole nother story that I'll tell another another time. I knew we were supposed to take it. So I told my wife, I said, hey, we'll take this job. Because we we we we'd been praying about talking about, we knew that God was in it, and so it's like, hey, if this job comes up, we're taking it. And it wasn't about how much it pays or things like that. When I got the job offer and I saw the salary, I thought, well, I'll just supplement that salary with like side work, side consulting, side business, things like that. We move, and the first weekend we move, as soon as we get settled, I feel like the Holy Spirit says to me, Now that you're here, I don't want you to have any business distractions.

SPEAKER_01 54:34

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 54:35

And I was like, whoa, whoa.

SPEAKER_01 54:37

Slow down there, buddy.

SPEAKER_00 54:38

Hold on now, turbo. And it was a conversation I had with my wife, and and we talked, and there were things that God wanted me to learn about the environment and the culture that I was coming into, and business would have been a distraction from it. Wow. So as hard as that was for me, and I knew my wiring at that point, that was a moment of obedience. Sometimes in life, God will put you in a season of, are you gonna obey the direction I'm asking you to go? Sometimes in life, he doesn't give us a direction. Sometimes in life, he just, he, he, like Abraham, he's just like, I trust you. Like, choose your lot and and I'm gonna, and I'm gonna bless it. Uh, we like to say, um, I like to say, is it a T season or a Y season? And what I mean by that is a T season would be like Jonah in the Bible. God said, go to Nineveh, and Jonah went the opposite direction, right? So that was where God was speaking something very clear about where to go. A Y season is, hey, Danny, you go left, you go right, I'm gonna bless you. Yeah, I trust you. Yeah, like I I trust you to, you know, and and and I think sometimes we're in Y seasons and sometimes we're in T season. That was a T season for me that I knew was about obedience. I knew it was about stepping into trusting God in a new capacity. So that's what I did. Uh and there was uh three or four years where I didn't do business because I felt like I wasn't supposed to. And every year I'd come back and have this conversation with God. But there was there was one year where finally I felt like God said, I'm releasing you to get back into stuff. And um, and frankly, it feels like nothing was lost. That's amazing. It felt like nothing was lost. We got to the point where money was so tight in that season that if we would have like a thousand dollar emergency, I don't know if we would have been able to pay for it. But nothing was lost. We were always provided for, we always had what we needed. I didn't feel like we were in lack. And then as soon as I got back into business, as soon as I felt like released to get back into business, things just began to propel and grow and very quickly. And uh not because of me, that was absolutely because of God.

SPEAKER_01 56:51

You already alluded to it. You you mentioned using your talents. Uh, but why the name talents? What's so significant about that?

SPEAKER_00 56:59

Well, talents really comes from obviously the parable of talents in the Bible in Matthew 25. When I study that parable, I love that parable. It's something that has always intrigued me, I guess. I've I've always come back to that parable. And just understanding the parable, if you're not familiar with the parable, it's just a quick summary of there's a master that gives three of his servants some talents, and he says, I'm gonna be gone for a while, do something with my money. He leaves the first one he gives two, the second one he gives five, the other one he gives one. So the servants that he gave two and five, they when he returns, they had multiplied it, they had doubled it. The third was worried that he would lose his master's money. So he buried it in a hole so that it wouldn't be lost, so that it would be preserved. When the master comes back, he gives him his one back, thinking, You'll be proud of me. I didn't lose it. And he's actually like he's rebuked, and then that talent is taken from him and given to the ones who multiplied it. And I started to see the paradigm in all of these conversations I'm having with people. Where I'm at in my life now is I have enough life experience where people call me about business strategy or finance strategy, money strategy, uh, family trust stuff. I'm not, I'm not one of those like trust estate planners or anything like that, but um, I probably could be because I geek out on all that stuff. Uh, but I get called in all the time to ask, you know, for coffee or lunch, or can I pick your brain on this or that? And again, I'm seeing the same patterns, seeing the same consistencies. And I realized, oh, so many people are like the third servant, where they're burying their talent in fear of losing it, and they're not doing anything with it. And so what we can learn from that parable is that money used wisely, it's not buried, it doesn't sit, it moves. Yeah, it's mobile. Yeah, it invests, it it multiplies. And so uh I really developed the brand of talents and the vision of helping people from that parable of we want to be people that understand that money used wisely moves. So good, good money, it moves. And uh, I've developed uh a program within the brand of talents called Good Money Moves. Again, from the Parable of Talents. And that entire program is about helping people get unstuck. It's about helping people get clear, it's about helping people deal with the internal narratives, the money story. Uh, everybody has a money story, and it really helps people get aligned so that they're going after the things that they feel called to do and they're living the life that they're called to live now. And I think that's part of the new playbook, the playbook of yesterday of just worked the same thing for 40 years. It's like, no, people want meaning now.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:08

People want purpose now. They want to have impact now. It doesn't always have to be about making money, but when you can align your passion, purpose, talents, gifts with the way that you make money, that is the secret to a fulfilled and happy life. Making money is not wrong. I love making money. I don't, I love people that make money. I want you to make money. I want you to make money. I want you to make money. I want everybody to make money. I'm great with that. But if money's the only goal, then you've missed the entire point and you will never find fulfillment. It's why you find teachers who make 40 grand a year but are happier than anybody else you know, because they're doing what they feel called to do. They're doing what they're wired to do, they're doing what they're skilled to do. They love the art of teaching. And I think there's a it's almost a lost art. Um, and I say that because I am somebody who sits down with people every week, and I have I hear it's the same conversations, it's the same patterns, it's the same struggles, it's the same lack of clarity. So we really built talents from the parallel talents, but it's really comes from from this whole idea.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:18

Why do you think so many people are stuck like the one servant who just buries the talents?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:26

Well, I think it there's I don't think there's one answer to that question. I think there is multiple factors that when left undiscovered, just keep you sitting where you're sitting. Uh the most common one that everyone's gonna relate to and go, yeah, yeah, it's just simply fear. It's that third servant, he buried it out of fear. That was that was the biggest reason that he he just didn't want his master to be mad at him. And that is not how God views us. Like that is not how God has called us to live our life. It's just sit in this place where we don't make the master mad, you know. Um, he wants us to to take risks and to have movement. And um, I think when you start talking about when you start helping people uncover the why behind what they're doing and the fears, if you will, and get clarity on why they're not doing what they they want to do or should be doing or could be doing, I think, again, that's so much where the current playbook does not we're not structured for that. Like taking risks is not something that is like highly you know, encouraged. It should be. Like, I don't know where in the Bible it's like, don't take risk. Like, don't have a step of faith. Don't go try something. Like, why do we live that way? Why do we live like the third servant? I don't understand it. It's like life should be a journey of life experiences and taking risks and taking steps of faith and stepping out into doing something that you feel you're supposed to do and seeing it fell, but knowing that you tried, I think is way better than living a life where you never took a risk and and you never stepped out of that fear, and you just look back and go, I just wish I would have done more.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:22

Dude, that is so freeing, just to think about the idea of risk. And and I even look back on my own life and go, the places I went the furthest and that God took me to was when I was moving, when I was taking a risk, when I was doing something that I believed I was meant to do or go toward. And whether it failed or it succeeded, God made something beautiful out of it. And you said earlier that you have five daughters. Yeah. Crazy household. Yeah. How how does how is this translating to them? Because obviously, this is not the old playbook. So it's going out to the newer generation. Um, your oldest is 18, right? So what what does this look like? How is this model in the home? Or what what is your hope for that for the future for them?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:10

That's a great question. I have so I have five that ranges eight, ranges about eight to eighteen. She's about to be eighteen this summer. Having five daughters amplifies this conversation times five. It a hundred percent takes it to another level of importance for me because we are living in a time that is shifting so quickly. And I don't need to go on this soapbox because I feel like it's being talked about everywhere. But with the change of AI, with the change of technology, I don't even think our education system is prepared to teach our kids what they need to know and teach our kids how to operate in a new world. So I'm obsessed with learning about all of this stuff because I want to be able to have answers for my kids. I feel like so much of what I'm doing is this gigantic research project to an experiment to just go, how do I set my kids up for the best success? And I don't think it's just about the skill set piece. I think that's a really big factor, but I also think it's about the purpose piece. Because if we're moving into a world where titles and roles mean less, and what you're able to do for the world is how you pay your bills, then learning to align purpose in your life has never been more important. And I think as we navigate this world and we start to see people get laid off because AI can do their job, um, we're gonna have a lot, we're gonna have a purpose crisis, uh and I a purpose identity crisis. So true. Yeah. And so I want to prepare my girls for that. I want to prepare people for that.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:56

You know, when you're anchored to purpose and identity. And it's not into a role or a title or what you can do, but how you can serve people and how you can make an impact. You align that purpose in your life, you're gonna be fine throughout this. You you really will. But having five daughters amplifies this conversation like never before, because I think as parents, as entrepreneurs, as business owners, as investors, we should be paying attention like never before. But but we need to be clear on our why. We need to be aligned in our values and our purpose. And we need to make that our compass, if you will, our anchor point, if you will, so that as the storm of change comes, nobody likes change, but as the storm it's coming whether you want it or not. So as the storm of change comes, what are you anchored in? What clarity do you have on your life? How are you raising your family? How are you thinking about uh generosity and making money and purpose and impact and what are you going after that sets you up for that kind of success? Because the world is going to change. But it doesn't have to change in these areas. Like you've got to be anchored in something.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:19

It's amazing. I I think the aspect that you're highlighting of that purpose that so many people don't think about, but is becoming a more relevant conversation than ever before. If this is something that people want to get more information on, how can they navigate this? What can they be pointed to or look at?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:40

Well, well, um, I appreciate you asking that because that's definitely my heart is everything within talents is not something that I'm doing because I needed something else to do. Right. It's something that I'm doing because, like I said, I continue to see the same patterns, the same problems, the same areas of where people are stuck. And I wanted to create a place where we can have conversations like this, a place where people can get resourced, a place where people can get knowledge and information, uh, a place where people don't necessarily feel judged, but feel championed and encouraged. And I wanted to play create a place where I could do this at a larger scale than just sitting down with one person in front of me at a restaurant locally. How could I amplify that? So I've developed uh the Good Money Moves program. It's really this framework of helping people get clarity, helping people discover their money story. Uh again, your money story is the internal script that dictates the way that you make decisions every day. Most people never address their money story. They're not even aware of it, but it's affecting them. It's running in the background of their brain, and it's affecting the way they make decisions every day. So the first thing I do is I come in and I help people uncover, discover, and rewrite their money story, identify those marking moments that have changed their lives. It's a beautiful process. It's really powerful. I've taken hundreds of people through it now at this point, and the amount of stories I could tell you and the fruit of what I see in people's lives is just, it's it's substantial. It's really significant. And from there, we we dive into so there's the money story I'm covering, and then we get into how does that money story manifest itself in your life? And that really comes through either a head issue or a heart issue. So we we navigate that and we we deal with those issues and and then we do move into the practicals of finance, financial literacy, stewardship, uh, the money stuff. We got to talk about the money stuff because people just if you know how to manage money, then it's it's never gonna work. And so uh we definitely get into all the practicals and uh a little bit more of a like a financial peace university type idea, but I would just say it's it's all targeted towards more next generation and um without judging any other organizations, it feels more relevant to where we're at as a society. And so um, so yeah, so talents for me is just trying to create this massive movement and community of people that are aligned and they're clear and they're living the best life that they could live, and they're making money while doing it, and they have healthy families and healthy relationships, and they've put money in its right place. Um, so uh I'm I'm releasing that slowly. Um, like I said, I've taken hundreds of people through it at this point, but we are gonna be start to do that at a larger scale uh over live, uh, like a live experience. For individuals, right? Yeah, for individuals live um over Zoom, uh calling it the Good Money Moves Challenge and just helping people get that clarity. Um so that is right now we're accepting a wait list for it. Uh, if if people want to get connected to it, um, they can join the wait list and then we'll reach out when we're actually going to offer that. And then if you're a uh you know church leader or a pastor or somebody that thinks this is something that your church has needed, we created an entire facilitator-led in-person version of this course that churches can can use. And uh, I've got a handful of churches on it right now that are just seeing insane fruit as well for that. So yeah, we've got we've got those two lanes and we've got the good money moose community that's going to be coming soon, that we're gonna be releasing. But uh yeah, it's really about getting in the in the right posture. It's about getting people positioned for success in a changing world that aren't ready for it.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:54

It's amazing. I, you know, I love I love what we're doing with talents and the good money moves course and all that. I've gone through it, so I'm a testimony. I mean, I wouldn't be a part of this if I didn't believe in it. And yeah, it's been transformational for me as well. But um it it's super excited to see how we can actually change the world and to people's mindsets and the lives that they live for purpose. So yeah, super excited.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:17

Yeah, I guess we should say that today's episode is sponsored by me. Yeah, there you go. Uh goodmoneymoves.com. Uh, if uh you want to join the wait list or get connected in any way, uh, just literally go to goodmoneymoves.com and it'll direct you to do that from there. But uh shout out to Goodmoney Moves. Dude, this has been a fun conversation, man. Yeah, I loved it. I um I love talking about this. I love helping people get clear. And I'm super hopeful that this podcast um is just a resource, an additional resource for people, you know, having these types of conversations and bringing in different people that are using their gifts in unique ways. And um, I love telling their stories because that's uh that's stories are what inspire us to keep doing things that we're called to do ourselves. So thanks for sitting down with me, bro. Anytime. Let's do it again. Awesome. All right. Well, we will see you on the next episode.