TALENTS with Cody Williams

What a Near-Death Experience Taught a Grammy-Nominated Songwriter About Success

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Joshua Silverberg has written songs for Spider-Man, Ocean's Eight, and the Emoji Movie. Grammy and Emmy nominations. Billboard charts. Platinum status. By every measure, he had made it. Then COVID nearly killed him.
What he brought back from that experience rewrote everything! How he sees his gifts, his time, his family, and what it actually means to steward what God gave you. #Talents

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SPEAKER_00

And he just looks at me and he says, You have two choices. You can either die here, or choice number two would be to die on a ventilator. What do you want to do? And I just looked up at him. I said, No. And he said, What do you mean, no? Everything went white. Not a speck of darkness. It kind of felt like if my mind had got connected to God's mind, like with a jump starter, I didn't have to guess what God was thinking or feeling or sensing. The most shocking part of that was the total absence of worry. Before this, I thought I had unlimited time and energy. The secret to big success is also stupid small things.

SPEAKER_01

I'd love to have you pray. I would love to. I think I'm emotional because I feel like people are really getting touched right now.

SPEAKER_02

We are remote son.

SPEAKER_01

Well, welcome to another episode of the Talents Podcast. I am Cody Williams. Today, I have a guest that is so extremely talented. Um, I'm gonna actually have to read you his bio because he's laughing right now because he's also very humble. Uh, Joshua Silverberg. Um, so happy to have you here. Nice to be here. So happy. I'm literally gonna read this because he's so humble and I think he's so talented. Uh, and I can't memorize all this. It's a rap sheet that's just way too long. But I really love it. Uh, you are a multifaceted creator whose career spans music, television, film. Uh, your work has topped the billboard charts, been featured in major films, including Spider-Man, Homecoming, Oceans 8, the Emoji Movie. The emoji movie? Okay, that's awesome. Achieved platinum status and earned 11 Dove Award nominations, along with Grammy and Emmy nominations. After years of collaborating with directors on the musical side of storytelling, you've expanded your creative journey into film production. Um, today, uh, you really bring you are the same person, bringing the same passion, imagination, and artistry that defined your music career to the world of film. Okay, so that's the film, but then we can't forget all the songwriting and uh just all that you've done in the the worship space. Um, you've had the opportunity to work with uh talented artists such as Brandon Lake, John Foreman, Cece, Jordan Felice, Gary Job, Chris Keelala. I love Chris Keelala. Uh, Matt Redman, Jesus Culture, Michael W. Smith, Mosaic, Bethel Music, some of the worship songs that you've written. Uh is uh Too Good Not to Believe, Miracles, which again is one of my favorite songs. Fierce. You wrote Fierce? I didn't know that. That's amazing. Uh In the River.

SPEAKER_00

Good friends, Mia Fields. Yes, she is unbelievable.

SPEAKER_01

She's talented. Joshua, thank you for being with us. And uh, thank you for letting me make you feel really awkward with that introduction. But um, you really are an extremely talented individual, but you also carry such a depth of humility in what you do, and I think that there's so much behind that that is why God is really using you in the way that He's using you and opening up the doors uh that have opened up for you. Um I want to get into some of the projects you're working on, and I want to talk through a little bit about uh your your giftings and this the the the giftings that God's put in your hand, the talent in your hand. Obviously, this is a talents podcast. So um uh so we're gonna get into that uh in just a second here, but I feel like before we do that, uh we should really establish some of the the craziness that you've been through. And uh during COVID, uh some of some some of you listeners may be aware of his story, but um you were really on your deathbed. Uh not not in the like, oh I was kind of sick, I had a man cold. It wasn't a man cold, it was it was it was more more than a man cold. Um, and you saw some radical healing happen. So I'd love to actually start there because you're what's not in in all the the accolades and the accomplishments I just read is another big aspect of your life, which is healing. And um I I I want to focus on a little bit of both. I probably want to focus more on some of the the the things that you're doing with the gifts in your hands. Um, but I don't think we can have this conversation without addressing like the healing stuff. So um yeah, let's let's let's where do you want to start?

SPEAKER_00

Let's start there. I think that's awesome. When you spoke about humility, something came to my mind. Um, like why does someone have humility? I don't really know, but I think it has to do what came to my mind was you get crushed and you keep going. Humility comes from hardship and then your dependency on the Lord. So I think one of those places where I was very humbled would have been when I needed a miracle to survive. So, you know, like when you get to the place where they literally have to do everything for you, like everything, you know, I don't want to be disgusting, but they have to do all the wiping, the feeding your baby again. You know? Like you they have to do everything because you have no function, there's nothing left. That's the state I was in. Um, it is pretty humbling when you get to that.

SPEAKER_01

Wow, you know, it puts you in a certain level of humility. You know what's so profound about the humility piece that you just said is the fact that you're you're we can't none of us can avoid difficult times. Serving Jesus is not about you know, serve God and then, you know, you know, drink my special water and all your problems will go away. You know what I mean? There's there's there's something about understanding that God is in the middle of all of your circumstances with you, and I think that's so profound because you just said something that is like through this journey, it brings humility, but every single person is is promised some difficult situation, and I think that's such a perspective that I really haven't thought of until you just said it that way. I'm like, oh that's and we get crushed, and we we then recognize our dependence and our need for God. Uh that is extremely profound, um for sure. Okay, so we're in 2020. You get a uh a mild cold. I'm just kidding. You get pretty severe uh COVID.

SPEAKER_00

You know, fast forward to where um where I have been in the ICU for several days. You know, it was a journey to get there, but we're just gonna fast forward to the part where the doctor walks in and he goes, the ICU doctor, and he just looks at me and he says, You have two choices. You can either die here, or choice number two would be to die on a ventilator. What do you want to do? And I just looked up at him, and it it really truly felt like a cartoon where the devil has a contract. And if I admitted to one of those choices, that's exactly what would have happened.

SPEAKER_02

Wow.

SPEAKER_00

So I knew I just I could not admit to either choice he was giving me, so I just I said no. And he said, What do you mean no? And I said, uh, like, no, I don't want to die. I don't want that. And he said, Do I have permission to so do I have legal permission to treat you? And then I said, Okay, I know what you're saying here. Um, yes, you can treat me, but no, it's not gonna go that far. So, in a way, I didn't really answer the question he was looking for, so he left frustrated. Um, but I knew I couldn't admit to one of those things. So at that point, like medically, just so people understand, like there's black spots on my organs, which mean they are failing. My lungs were total white cement, so like the COVID stuff that they don't even really even know what was causing that. So I had full double pneumonia plus the white cement COVID stuff that once that filled your lungs, you were gone. Like there's no coming back. So there's all these medical reasons why I wasn't gonna survive. Um, and I had faith to be healed in my mind up into life support, like up into a ventilator. So that's why I was like, no. I don't choke, I don't choose that. I say no. You know.

SPEAKER_01

Um well, and and while all this is happening, you're also not with your family. Your family can't be with you.

SPEAKER_00

My wife is not allowed in, no one's allowed in. Um, which also brings to the miracle that someone did get in, um, which was wild to begin with.

SPEAKER_01

All right, you get you can't leave me on that cliffhanger right there. So um doctor says, here's your two options, you say no. What happens next?

SPEAKER_00

You know, so a couple days go by still, I'm in the ICU for several days, and truly, when I look back into this part, I go, it was the grace of God sustaining me. Because they literally um would walk in and go, like, How are you alive? And then they wouldn't check on me. They needed the bed, and you could feel oh my gosh, you could feel that when they walk in, going, like, How are you here? Okay, hopefully when we come back in the next 30 minutes, you'll be dead.

SPEAKER_01

Wow.

SPEAKER_00

And you could, you know, you could feel that as a patient that no one thinks you're gonna they don't they are not carrying any hope. No, there's no zero hope in the room, and that's interesting, you know. So I think about when Jesus kind of kicked the family out when he raised the girl from the dead, you know, there was zero hope in the room. And I think there's something to that environment, you know. So I don't pretend to know the equation, but I know that I needed hands laid on me, at least for this equation to be healed, but no one could. My wife couldn't be there, no one could come in. So, how did God send someone in? Well, there's my friend Justin um in Knoxville, and he the way that he describes the stories, he's working out. He hears the news through social media. My friend Taya, she posts about me, like pray for Josh. And so there's a lot of people praying, and and but for whatever reason I needed a contact point for those prayers to be administered by the Spirit of God. And he reads that and he goes, like, that's not fair. Like his name is Justin, but he's very justice-minded. And he goes, God, that's not fair. And he said that God told him, Well, what are you gonna do about it? And felt the challenge. He said it felt like God put a finger on his chest and said, What are you gonna do about it? And then felt the assignment to go and pray for Josh and break the spirit of death off of him. And so he goes, Okay, well, he looks online, he only knows that I'm in a St. Thomas. Well, there's a million of them, and I'm in Nashville.

SPEAKER_01

There's like and where is he at the time?

SPEAKER_00

Knoxville. He's in Knoxville, okay. So he gets in the car, decides to go. Now, mind you, I would not do this for someone. I don't think anyone would. No, yeah, like can we just think about the time? It's COVID, second wave of COVID, fear is off the charts. You're not even leaving your house at this point. You're afraid to go outside. Yeah, these are the early days of COVID. You know, and then hospital is totally locked down, everything is locked down, and you have a word from the Lord going drive to a place you have no idea about, to a hospital you don't actually know the location of, and go there and pray and find Josh. And there he goes, starts trying. Wow. So um, thank you, Justin. And it's and obviously, shout out to Justin. And it's not just Justin, right? So, like a lot of people are praying, and we don't understand how it works, but I know I needed someone to lay hands on me. So I see him, you know, long story short, um the third hospital he gets to, he sees somebody that waves him over. Um, and the first, I think the first thing he gets to is like a clinic, and the second one is like maybe an x-ray place. Because St. Thomas, there's just like a lot of associated medical facilities that have this name. So he's just typing in and going to the next one, right? For Nashville. Wow. So the third one he gets to is a hospital, and someone waves him over. Um, you know, I'm just like starting to relive the experience. So if I get emotional, it just is it's the grace of God that I'm here. So I'm just thankful for that. So that third hospital he gets to, he sees someone and he's frustrated. He's like, God, you send me out here. How the heck am I gonna find Josh? And this guy goes, Hi, can I help you? And he literally he looks at him and goes, No, you can't. Like, and he's like, No, hi, can I help you? And he says, Okay, fine, can you help me find Joshua Silverberg? Because at this point, he's driven through traffic, it's the third place. He doesn't think he's gonna find Josh. He thinks God is wasting his time, you know, and it's a huge failure. So he goes, like in total biblical fashion, this has to be an angel. Like, this sounds like a Bible story. No, Joshua Silverberg is not here. You're gonna want to write this down. He is at this location, this is his room number, and this is what he this is what you say to get in. And Justin is like, What? You're gonna want to write this down. Oh my god, this is the address, this is the room location, this is what you say to get in.

SPEAKER_02

Wow.

SPEAKER_00

And Justin is so like tired at this point that he doesn't realize the impossibility of all of that. First of all, no computer. Like, even if you were Doogie Hauser and you had every hospital name memorized of every registry, you would not have another location registry memorized to give that room number. Secondly, incredibly illegal. You know, you can't just give that information. So it's the whole thing is wild. And the third thing, even if you worked at that hospital, like where I was, basically like the death center of COVID ICU, like he you're not allowed in there. Like there's a very small number of staff by federal law that was allowed to even work on these COVID, you know, cases. So he said, like the nurses that were leading him in were going, How can you even be here? Like they don't even, they're not allowed in. And Justin was getting in. Like doctors that work at the hospital are not allowed in, and Justin was getting in. And what the angel told Justin to say was, just tell them you're supposed to be there. That was it. So they would say, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, like, how how do you get in here? And Justin would just revert to, I'm supposed to be there. And then they would go, Okay, fill the form out here, you know, put on the suit, put on the thing, fill the form, keep going. Next credential, next credential. He had multiple credential levels to get to like the highest level, and then they let him in.

SPEAKER_01

That's insane. Yep. So were you uh conscious while he when he found it?

SPEAKER_00

I was very conscious. I was doing everything I could to just survive. So if you can imagine like your in and out breath, if you can imagine the tiniest in and the tiniest out, that's all I had. I just had. And I like didn't know which one was gonna be my last one of those. But I knew I had a young family, I had all these dreams in my heart that I felt like the Lord gave me to do. I just said, like, God, like it's just can't be my time to go. It just doesn't, it didn't seem right. So he gets in there and I'm fighting, like I'm making up like different songs in my mind of how to keep my breaths in and out, trying to get my oxygen to above 70, because they just kept saying, Man, if you can't get above 70, you're not gonna survive. They just so for a week I'm like in the ICU going, how do I get my oxygen above 70? They don't even know how I'm like I shouldn't be alive. It was the grace of God sustaining me. And yeah, he get he walks in in a suit, like a, you know, like the mask, the suit, the whole thing, um, to pray for me. And I I I have seen him one time. We met on like a book signing event, you know, like I met him one time before, and I recognized him. And he came in to pray for me. He prophesied I was gonna live, and he broke the spirit of death. And there was a nice presence of God, but it wasn't it wasn't like I knew I was healed in that moment. I was trying to survive. When you saw him, did you recognize him?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00

And of course, he arrived at the perfect time. You know, so they were transferring me to be put on life support. Um, and while they were transferring me, they were making up a cot. So they moved me from the bed to the to a chair where I was actually upright and they were making the cot ready. And that's where he walks in in this like five, 10-minute window where I'm actually just sitting up. If he came 10 minutes later, I would be on life support. If he came 10 minutes earlier, I would be like really awkwardly in a bed with these machines that move my legs and the biggest oxygen stuff. It would just it wouldn't have been ideal. Wow. He arrived, of course, in the perfect time. Of course. Of course. So the angel's got time on lockdown. God knows what he's doing.

SPEAKER_01

So he comes in. What does he say? He does he pray over you, or he just says He yeah, he puts his hand on my shoulder.

SPEAKER_00

He he says this, Joshua Silverberg being healed part one. And I don't know what the other parts are, but I hope they're good.

SPEAKER_01

Wow, that's what he said.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Joshua Silverberg being healed part one.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And then just broke the spirit of death and prophesied I was gonna live. And then the ambulance people come and take me away and put me in the ambulance. Yeah. Yeah, at that point, what it felt like was death row. What it felt like is being held for a crime I did not commit, held hostage on death row, and that was the end. Because now that I got moved to the ambulance, I didn't have hope to be healed. Because I knew what was happening in a few moments, they were gonna put me on life support. And I remember I had faith to be healed, but up into life support. So then there I had this prayer. It was just me and Jesus. I go, God, like I don't feel like it's my time to go for all these reasons. But if it is, we're doing the hug. So I'm coming in. So I close my eyes and I just go, okay, Jesus, we're doing this. So I let go. And I think maybe that was the first time I was 100% saved. And what I mean by that is I let go of every earthly attachment, including family, including your wife, your kids, like all of it. I just said, I've nothing on earth to look forward to. Everything I have is Jesus. You know, heaven is going to be amazing, but everything on earth is gone. Every earthly attachment is gone, and everything is Jesus. So I said, okay, I'm done. We're doing the hug. Here we go. I'm checking out. Wow. And like this room. I mean, everything went white. Like I have this experience, this is what they call an NDE. Near death experience, everything went white. Um, like not a speck of darkness, not a not the tiniest speck, no darkness. In God, there is no darkness. There is not even the slightest thing. And it kind of felt like if my mind like got connected to God's mind, like with a jump starter, you know, like if your car battery was dying, you needed to, I needed to be connected to the source of light.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I need a new, new, new source of power. And I like another source of power, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Because I was gone. And what it was was that connection. And I don't know if I tasted a tiny bit of heaven for a few moments. Um, but in that moment, I didn't have to guess what God was thinking or feeling or sensing. I tasted what it would be like to be maybe what heaven is like, so connected to Christ that there's not a guess, you just instantly know. So I knew what he was thinking, what he was feeling towards me. And the most shocking part of that wasn't like the love or the peace that you would assume, it was the total absence of worry. And I came away with the a new revelation of how worry steals literally everything from you.

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Wow.

SPEAKER_00

And we don't talk about it. Jesus did, but we don't talk about it. Yeah, Jesus said this have no concern of what you will eat, what you will wear, what you will drink, what your health is, because this is what the pagans do. Wow. Imagine a sermon based off of that. But really, if we were to say that today, we would say we all have concern of what we drink, what we will wear.

SPEAKER_01

What yeah, I mean, worry, worry is a in a lot of ways, it's like a it's it's something that everybody accepts is something that you just deal with, you know, day day to day. You know, I I I would agree with that. Worry is uh worry is that thing that you can hear what you just said and people listening to this will still worry. It's like I know what you're saying is true, but I'm still gonna do it. I'm still gonna worry. I'm still gonna, you know, do you feel like um in that moment, and I I don't want to get off track here because I want you to keep talking, but do you feel like that's giving you the clarity that you need to not worry now?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, without a second, I can totally worry now, but the first miracle that happened wasn't physical. Like the Lord rewired my brain and it lasted about a month. Maybe just being that connected to God's mind, yeah, it kind of stayed like that for a it was like shocked into God's mind for a second, and I could not worry, like for a month for sure. Even a good worry. Like if I tried to worry about, I wonder if Aunt Betsy sent me a birthday card or whatever. I couldn't even make myself care about a good thing, and then in its place, joy came. Like the worry left me. Like worry, like remember, I was in the space of this white room with no darkness, and that darkness is anxiety, it's fear, it's worry. Like God can't worry, like it's impossible for him to worry, to be afraid. He can't be. You know, he wasn't biting his nails, going, I wonder if Josh is gonna make it. I hope, I really hope he does. No, and what that did for me was to know I didn't know what was gonna happen next. I didn't know if I was gonna be healed, if I was gonna see Jesus, I didn't know what was gonna happen next, but I knew whatever happened next was gonna be good. So then worry, why would I worry? So then that left me, and then in its place, it was like this vacuum, like worry dull joy that God wanted to give me. And then the joy became so profound I could hardly breathe, but I started laughing. So if you can imagine a guy, he's in being transported in this ambulance, which was so risky that they didn't even want to put me in there. Um, but they a friend of mine, a nurse, had to fight for me to be put in the special like life support group that she was a part of, and she got the doctor to sign off. No one wanted to. They all thought I was a goner. Wow, even putting me in the ambulance was like, yeah, good luck. He's not even gonna survive that ride, you know. But here I am, this guy, one breath away from death, laughing, having the time of his life after this experience because I wasn't worried.

SPEAKER_01

This is incredible. So, what um I just what happens next? I don't know what to say. I'm like, what happens next? Well, when did I get the ultimate bedtime story?

SPEAKER_00

When how did I get healed? Well, I came out of that experience and I opened my eyes and then I look at the oxygen machine and it reads 95. Come on, yeah. I didn't think I was healed still, I thought that wasn't possible. In fact, I found it ironic like that the machine I'm looking at is broken. Like I thought the machine was broken, so it made me laugh even more, you know, because it felt like I was living an episode of Seinfeld or something. Like, oh great, it can't be worse. On my last day on earth, I get a broken machine, you know, because I was so fixated on this number. But little did I know my father-in-law was praying because he asked, What's a good number? And they told him 95. So my father-in-law is praying every day, like give Josh 95, you know, and like many others are praying, like hundreds, maybe thousands around the world are praying, you know, justin put his hands on me. I needed that someone to put their hands on me. Yeah, you know, um, I needed someone to just tell the spirit of death, no, you can't have him. And then I saw that 95, and then I I like thought about it for a little bit. I went, mmm, this is kind of an easy reading. Like there's a $20 machine that you put on your finger. Wait a minute, I know God's character, I'm gonna live.

SPEAKER_02

Wow.

SPEAKER_00

And then once I knew I was gonna live, it was like that little bit of light. All I needed was that little bit of light, and I knew God's character. And I'm going, well, even though I can't move, I can't breathe, the pain inside my body is so crazy. I'm feeling pain in places I didn't even know you could feel pain. The inside of my joints are on fire, like you can't even feel that. But I could in that moment because they told me that my brain was sacrificing my organs and my bone marrow just to get it enough oxygen. So it was stealing those things. So I'm feeling fire in places I couldn't even know I could feel. It didn't matter. I knew I was gonna live. And I did. I'm here.

SPEAKER_01

You're here, and we're here to tell it. Yeah, dude, that is incredible. What was the date that all that was happening?

SPEAKER_00

Um, I don't want to say the wrong date. I would have to look, but I'm just like month or it was the end of September, early October, like 2021.

SPEAKER_01

2021, okay. Yeah. Okay. Um, I just asked that because thank you for sharing your story, first of all. That's an incredible story. Um I I feel like anybody that comes out of that situation, you're going to live differently. You know, it's just, I don't know how you walk through such a miraculous God-encountering experience and just keep living normally. So I'm just really curious, like from that date to this date, you know, here we are in 2026. Um what what has that propelled you to do differently? How what what walk me through the last five years? Because obviously we've talked through all these different accomplishments and things like that that you've done, and um just the the creativity that you carry. And um I'm just so grateful that you've used your gifts in this way. But how does an experience like that amplify your gifts?

SPEAKER_00

Good question. Um, I think I walked away with an importance of time and energy that I never understood. Because before this I thought I had unlimited time and energy. And there were days the energy like I had two texts to make every day. It was to my wife and my friend Max. So Max would be the connection to the outside world and get the information to social media. Yes. And my wife just needed to know I didn't die that day, you know. And but it it would take the entirety of all my energy to make those two texts to try to give them some kind of update, you know. Um so now I'm very protective of my time in my energy, and I really consider is this energy that I'm about to spend a good steward of my limited energy, or is this time a good steward of my limited time? So um I do think stewardship is probably another thing. If worry is one thing that we don't talk it enough about, stewardship is another, is like the secret to big miracles is steward small things. The secret to big success is to steward small things. No one, no one has overnight success. Even if someone you think someone did, no, they didn't. No, uh and if they did, it's not sustainable, it's a one-time thing. Right. You know, if you want to sustain success in any area, prayer, being a good dad, what you know, business, whatever it is, it's because you learn to steward those small moments.

SPEAKER_01

Wow. Stewardship is my buzzword. Um, it's the word that I'm trying to make sexy. I'm trying to figure out how to make stewardship sexy because it's it's stewardship is found in the in the mundane. Um I like to say that when you don't have anything, you still have stewardship. When you lack the finances or the opportunities, or that you still you still wake up and have the ability to say, God, I will steward whatever you put in front of me today. And for my story, that is a lot of that is the one element as even a teenager that I can see the thread of just going, God, I don't have much, but I'm gonna steward whatever you put in front of me. I'm gonna just I'll I'll do I'll do the best with what you put in my hand today. And I think that it's um I love your answer to that question. Like, how do you live differently when you've been that close to death? Because I think it should make you live differently, but um, I also think that it should be something that uh I can grab a hold of that with you and go, dude, I got it. Like I'm gonna I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna stewardship time and um what do you say yes to? And and that's just it's so much more profound than I think people realize.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, my priorities. You know, this year I'm taking an entire month off to just hang out with my family, which if I was previously there would always be some there's always something to do, and there's always a reason why you can't do that. But I mean put family absolutely first. Yeah, you know, and then I know like for people who are if influential or like hardworking or whatever or like wannabe, there is seasons of hard work, but it can still if you put the equity in with your family, it's not taxing because they know you know, and it don't repeat a generational cycle where a kid grows up without the love of a father in the home simply because he wasn't there. Not because they didn't love he but simply because he wasn't there. Yeah. And for me that was I mean, that has taken me years to to figure out. My dad loved me greatly, but he just wasn't there. You know? So then what did I do? Well, every time I saw him, I had to perform to earn his love. And then I became an artist. And then when maybe that didn't go exactly how I thought, it was always my fault. I didn't perform good enough, my song wasn't good enough. And then then I'm creating out of this, oh, I now I have to do this to prove to who? To someone that I'm worthy of love. And it wasn't until like miracles started happening in my life once performance was killed in my life, the need to perform. And around 2014-15, I started going to a church called The Belonging, and they were preaching this message of you belonged before you believed. And I was like, What do you mean? Like God loved me even though I didn't do anything yet. I'm like, and it crushed me, it killed me because I only thought I was good as my last song or my last thing or my last contribution, you know. But once I knew the inherent value of you before you do anything, before you become financially successful, business successful, success in any area, whatever you think is your goal, before you do that thing, once you know that you because you're breathing and you have life and what God paid to put you here, you're worth the price of Jesus. Like what? No, you are worth the price of Jesus before you say yes to him. He decided to pay that price. Whether you choose him or not, your value is the value of the blood of Jesus. But not because you said yes to him. Before you said yes, I'm saying this over and over to people because I really want this to sink in. Before you do anything, you are worth the literal price of the blood of Jesus, the life God. You all you are you belong to his family. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

We are adopted into that family. So once that happened, and then through a film called Holy Ghost, I saw miracles happen on camera, and I went, wait, that's real. If that's happening, I want a part of that. And then it simply started happening in songwriting rooms because my wife challenged me. She said, you know, when I asked her, can I go to a school where they teach you how to pray for people? She's like, first of all, no, you're not going anywhere. Second of all, if Jesus is telling you to pray for someone, you have everything you need. Just start praying. Come on. I didn't believe her. I thought she was wrong. Typical husband and wife. The wife is going to be right, and the husband thinks she's wrong. Like, that's just it. As much as it pains me to say that, and hopefully Michaela won't hear that because I want to be right some at some point.

SPEAKER_01

Sometimes. I think sometimes they just give us, they just give us one.

SPEAKER_00

Give me something. You're right. You're fine. Give me it. Give me, give me it. But she was absolutely right. I did not believe her. But that week, you know, I'm in a songwriting room, and we have to finish the song, and the guy comes in and he cannot sing. And he's like, sorry, mate, I just can't sing this week. I'm like, what do you mean? And he's like, Yeah, I have this throat infection. Couldn't I can't sing for two weeks. And I'm going, shaking in fear, because I feel the Holy Spirit go pray for him. And uh I've watched up to this point hours and hours and hours of YouTube on how to pray. I know how to do it. I just haven't done it. Like I've never done it. And I'm I put my hand out and I'm going, can I pray for you? And he's like, sure. I put my hand out. I pray like I learned on YouTube, just short direct prayers like Jesus. You know, so really it's how I learned on YouTube, but people just studying Jesus, how he prayed, just very simple, not making a big deal. Command that thing to go. I did it in my handshaking, not under the power of God, because I'm terrified. Really, probably demonized, affected by these spirits of fear that they don't want you to operate in your calling. So wherever you feel fear, to me, is a good indication of where you're supposed to go. Wow. Truthfully, because that's where the devil doesn't want you to go. And like this podcast, I feel like it was a massive trick of the devil to get all the best creatives and keep them inside the church. You know, because that's where if I was the devil, think about that. Yeah. If you are a person of influence in business and creativity and anything, and if you could only be thinking of your work or music or film or whatever you're working on to only be beneficial for people who are already knowing Jesus, then you're not a threat. You're a zero threat to the devil if your only demographic is Christians. Go ahead. Make that business for Christians. Great. You're not actually building the devil know what you're doing. You're you're doing constipation. You're creating a cesspool. Right? Wow. Yeah. Because the Holy Spirit is living water, it is supposed to go out. Jesus commanded us to go into all of the world. Yeah. So if Jesus paid this the price for the Holy Spirit to come into us and he literally died, so God died to go out of you, but now he's dying again because he's not going out. Like you're not letting him out. Wow. If a tree falls in a forest and no one cares about, does it ever fall, really?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. It's it's uh the rivers, not reservoirs. We our lives need to be rivers, not reservoirs. And that requires a new way of thinking. That requires a new way of living, that requires a new way of to finding stewardship in your life. Uh it requires a new way of waking up and saying, what does it mean to surrender my life today? Not in whole, but today. You know, how do you how do you play that out? You know, how do you live that out? And man, I just appreciate what you're saying so much because I think there is a level of creatives and entrepreneurs and people that feel stuck because they have this filter in their head that says, Well, like the only way to use my gift is inside the four walls of the church. And you and I are local church people. We love the local church, we embrace the local church. We want God didn't call us to live in isolation, God calls us to live in community. So there's all of those things. So I'm not trying to say forget the church. I'm I'm not saying forget the church, I'm saying embrace the church, but I'm saying out of the church, your Monday through Friday, what you're doing with the gifts in your hand should be bringing an impact that's that's outside, and I think a lot of times we just we've we've made the church the ultimate level of success for a Christian.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I mean, exactly.

SPEAKER_01

Like if you are in ministry, you are deemed successful.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, when miracles just started happening, so that guy was healed, and the next one, and the next one, and you know, on Friday there's a woman with a tumor, and you know, we prayed for her and she had scans, and that like when and it just went like crazy. So, you know, fast forward four years of just signing up to pray for everyone, and they invite me to like a church to lead a miracle service, and some people may know about what happened there, but that was Brandon Lake's church, Seacoast, and I mean it went bonkers. No one left till like two in the morning. People are getting up out of wheelchairs, and it was just it shook us all to the core and transformed really the culture of all of us. So I thought, you know what, I'm gonna quit music and become a pastor that just comes to your church, teaches you how to pray, because it's my favorite thing to do, and this is happening, and we're not seeing it a lot. We're not seeing a lot because people just aren't responding to it and no one's teaching it or demonstrating it.

SPEAKER_01

And all these prayer meetings, these are prior to your COVID experience.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Wow. I didn't need another reason to pray for someone. Like I signed up. In fact, stewardship, why did I get healed? Well, because I steward healing for so many other people. Wow. You know, like when I needed it, I sewed into that.

SPEAKER_01

That brings a new meaning to faithful with little, faithful with much. You know what I mean? We always equate that to like money, but um it really does apply to more than just money, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, absolutely. And I thought, like I made this decision, you know, because I mean, when you experience mind-numbing miracles like that, um you go, I guess I'm supposed to do that. So I told the Lord, you know, I had like a a music catalog sale that financially was awesome. So I thought, okay, I'm going to just be an investor. And then wouldn't it be cool to just go to churches and never have to ask for money? And be like, I'm gonna be this, which is that even that is like pride, really truly religious, and the other side of the coin. So when whenever it's it's just yeah, no, you get out of the way and you just do the thing and just stop making rules about it, you know, like on either side of that coin. But when I did that, the Lord said, So you're gonna bury your talents? Like he convicted me. He said, So you're gonna bury your talents? And I'm like, What do you mean? Like, I'm gonna be a pastor, I'm gonna be an evangelist, I'm gonna go and just teach people how to move in the power of God, like what I discovered and increased faith. And like, what do you mean, bury my talents? Like, so you're gonna bury your talents? And I could feel if I decided to continue in music, I could feel prophetically artists having careers, producers having careers, business deals that needed to be done in the music and film space, but he needs people that listen to his voice to be there. So if God wants someone to have a sandwich, it's not going to just happen. He needs someone to make that sandwich to give it to him. Yep. So, whatever sphere you're in, if if you consider yourself a God-fearing, listening, obeying person, he needs you in whatever field that is. He doesn't he doesn't need another pastor, another missionary. You know, if you're called to that, you you're gonna know and you're gonna do that.

SPEAKER_01

I think what's so um you just said something, and I'm like, oh, let's just sit on that for just a second. You thought you knew how you were going to best uh serve God and I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna be a traveling evangelist teaching people how to pray for people and help see people healed. So your heart isn't necessarily in the wrong place because your your motives behind that are that, but but the thing that did exist there was a certain level of pride, maybe even subconscious pride. So when God stops you and says, So are you gonna bury your talents? What what do you what it what would you attribute to that? Is it just pride? Or because I think I think a lot of us are sitting on a pile of talent. And maybe we don't feel like we are where we want to be or where we should be or where we could be. But for you to go, well, this is how I'm gonna direct my life now, and then have God, Holy Spirit, convict you, your heart wasn't in the wrong place. It's not like it's not like you weren't trying to serve God, but there was a moment there where you step back, like talk about that tension and what was it?

SPEAKER_00

What what was it that I think what I've never thought about it like this, but what you're saying is making me even have rev more revelation of that moment.

SPEAKER_01

I'm glad I could have that impact on your life. Since everything you shared has just been amazing.

SPEAKER_00

It's hard, it's easier, it's so much easier if I'm just gonna show up in the church and have fun and pray for people. You know how easy that is? That is so easy. You know. Wow. You know what's hard? Showing up, trying to develop music, develop creativity, run a music company, you know, you know how hard it is, like to be a songwriter, to be a producer, to try to get a film off of a ground off the ground. The It's a grind. It is extremely difficult and lots of wounding. So I maybe prophesy, but I imagine wherever you're talented in, there's been a journey, there's been a lot of wounding, there's been a lot of hurt, um, and the amount of effort to get to where you're at currently has felt like incredibly hard. So to continue um is hard, and be it'd be a lot easier to just give up, to throw the towel in.

SPEAKER_01

What do you what do you say to some somebody who says, how how how do I do that? How do I um how do I check myself in a sense? You know, what what do you say to somebody that's that's lacking clarity?

SPEAKER_00

Ask God what your talents are, ask people around you what your talents are, and then think about what do you have in your hands currently that you're working on? Like what is it in your hands that you have? Um and then how just step by step, day by day, you know, move forward in that thing, regardless of the result. Because you know God, what comes easy sometimes to you, you're like, uh it is a lot harder for other people. You know, I believe kind of everyone has this genius. You're a genius in a certain level. I 100% agree. You know, and that level might be, you know, you might be the the most amazing whatever that thing is, you know, like I'm not gonna say it, but like whatever that thing is, but to me that's the hardest thing ever. You know, you might be like, oh, I could just run those spreadsheets in two seconds, you know, it would take me like 10 hours to like chip away at that thing.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. How how important do you feel like the environment is? Because I think um I'll just speak from some of my experience. You know, there was uh seasons where I had to get out of an environment because that environment wasn't pulling me into my giftings, it didn't even recognize them, which is has a lot to do with like your wiring and the makeup of who you are and your creativity, or you know, I think sometimes people feel misunderstood because they're in the wrong environment. That's true.

SPEAKER_00

Um yeah. I mean, my parents were very supportive of me growing up. My mom was a I don't know, my greatest champion. Still is. I still send her every song and everything.

SPEAKER_01

Nice, nice, and I bet she loves that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I sent her this the dialogue of this animation I'm working on, you know, so she yeah. Maybe not helpful for critiques because everything I do is the best thing ever. Right, but it's grateful for the motivation.

SPEAKER_02

I feel good about myself.

SPEAKER_01

I think I am pretty much the best ever. Guys, my mom said it's great, don't worry. 100%, dude. Take me back to um where you started to discover and develop and grow and so much of the work that you've done to date. How old are you now? 45. Okay, so take us back to young, young Joshua, teenage, early 20s. Um, where did all of this talent and skill and using what is in your hands, uh, how did that get developed? How did you discover that? What did that look like?

SPEAKER_00

Um, a lot of stewardship. I don't consider myself necessarily gifted in music, especially when you meet folks that are extremely gifted, you recognize it right away. Um, I think my greatest gifting is an inner knowing of what is the way to go, you know, like a very strong confidence of instinct, um, and maybe an awareness of the Lord's voice in that because there's been a lot of prophetic moments. Some of them are obvious, some of them are not, you know, but one song I was a part of what that was like a platinum song or whatever came like in a straight up download. It's only happened once, so it's not like a typical thing, but it was just like very profound, yeah, like word of knowledge, take it to this artist, sing him the chorus, you know, like that kind of thing. But um so, like, for example, you know, when I got to college, um at this point, like I've already did two records with my band in high school, and because I had a testimony of healing, I didn't know I could pray for anyone because I didn't wasn't around that kind of community. Um, so I didn't know that gift inside of me um yet, but I would tell my testimony of healing. I stewarded that testimony of healing, might have shared it a thousand times. So I would play with my band Edison Glass, and then that band gets signed, but read out of c college, but I went to college, tried out for the music ministries team and didn't make it. Wow, you know, so but I didn't give up. So then what did I do? I gathered up the people who didn't make the music ministries team and did worship at down at the river, and then we started to see really cool worship times, and there was someone that got healed, actually. I didn't know how, we didn't pray for them, we were just doing worship, and there was someone who accepted Jesus. I don't really even know how, I was very clueless. I just was stewarding the gift of songwriting and worship and guitar, and then I would practice guitar a lot of hours every day, you know, but I didn't make the cool team.

SPEAKER_01

You know what I mean? Yeah. Were you doing this though because you loved it? Or what what got you even into the things that you do now within music and film and it really was spiritually driven.

SPEAKER_00

Uh it was there was a love of music, but there was I remember the first time I knew God was real was during a worship service. And the second thought, first thought is God is in the room and he is real and he wants to be involved. So it was more than God was real, it was like he wants to be involved in a relationship with us. And then the second thought was how do I get my friends who don't know God to experience this atmosphere, like this presence of God? Well, I have to bring it to them. Wow. So then we started, we just played with all our other friends in bars and clubs as kids, you know. So like we grew up in Long Island in the emo scene. So we're along the lines of taking back Sunday and all these folks. We're growing up with these guys, yeah. Yeah, and we're playing clubs with them on the weekends and then leading worship with them on youth group.

SPEAKER_01

That's amazing. Do you do you um hold on?

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Thanks.

SPEAKER_01

Um I love that. The uh would you can would you consider yourself entrepreneurial? Or would you consider yourself an entrepreneur? Easily. Easily did you have words for that back in the day? No. When at what point did you kind of see that? Oh, I'm an entrepreneur.

SPEAKER_00

Uh well, it just was so natural for me to gather people uh uh and go after something. Um and then I've come to find out that skill is very useful in business. Yeah. When you have a clear instinct, a vision, you believe in something, and then you can cast that vision to creatives or team members and empower them to, you know, like execute. Sorry, that's my phone. That's Max. I picked it up. Hi, Max. Gotta go. I'm on a podcast. Love you. Peace. That's awesome. So he's he runs Savage Sync House with me. That's our publishing, but amazing. Um, okay, keep keep going with what you're talking about because it's it's uh if you have a um if you're a person of deep conviction and people can tell that you really believe in something, I I'm not I don't have to sell anyone on anything. I'm not selling anyone, I'm just a very passionate person. And when I find something that I believe in, I'm gonna champion it. And when I start championing something, people around me believe in it, labels believe in it, artists get signed, you know, like because they know I'm a man of deep conviction and integrity. So when I if I say something is awesome and now I have a track record, they're like, oh, I guess it's awesome now. Wow, you know what I mean? Um, I didn't try I didn't set that out as a goal. I just I went in to meetings that were I had didn't belong in with full confidence with an artist, they'd have no name recognition, going, like, this is the next thing. Like, I believe in this. This person's anointed, they're talented, like you need to sign them. And they're like laughing at me, right? And then after the 20th of those meetings, they start believing because they're like, wait, actually, you told me about that person first, and now they're doing something, they're seeing the fruit, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00

But it was natural. Someone no one taught me to do that, it was just instinct.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. How much of talent and skills do you think is actually instinct in a level of curiosity, if you will, especially at a young age, you know, 45. I mean, in my 40s, it's been great because I feel I feel, and you probably feel the same. You just feel so much more you because you're just established. And I think when you're younger, you're trying to find you, and you you think you you might have some inclinations, or you know, you you you might have some signs, you might have some gut about things, but um, what do you say to the young people that are, you know, what do they say to the young you? Um not that you're old, that wasn't an old joke.

SPEAKER_00

No, I am older. Um, don't don't place this thing around yourself that it has to go a certain way. Like be very flexible. Um, because you might go, well, for me to be successful at this point means I have to be here, I hear, and do this thing, this thing. And if I go like, you know, like I tried out for music ministries at Earl Roberts University but didn't make it. What if I thought to be successful in music means I have to go there? And if they're telling me no, I guess I should just give up.

SPEAKER_01

Wow.

SPEAKER_00

You know? Yeah. I could have. Yeah. And but I could tell you maybe a thousand no's that could have convinced me to not continue in music.

SPEAKER_01

But that conviction came from a place of an experience you had that you wanted to show other people.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, I knew that they could experience God through music, and the best way for me to convince people that did not know Jesus was through an experience, not a conversation or like debate. Wow. So I want to figure out how to bring that into the secular world.

SPEAKER_01

Come on, man. How did films come into all of this? Um was it or were were was it music and then film, or was it always kind of simultaneous?

SPEAKER_00

Um music was first, you know, and then along the way, like God would be dropping dreams in my heart for film, but I wouldn't really have opportunity. Um, but then I just I started making moves that made no sense. I started writing scripts, I had nowhere to give them, no even concept of how. Like there was no next step, but just like, well, what can I do? Well, I can get with my friend Mia Fields, who we've written a whole bunch of awesome songs. She's amazing too. And you should have her if you haven't already. Um, and I can start, you know, in 2020, we started writing scripts on things that I won't give up give away. Oh so no one can steal. Um and we're currently with Mia um working on a very developed show that you guys will be hearing about soon. That I don't want to say anything either, because we're pitching to Netflix soon. So you're pitching to Netflix soon?

SPEAKER_01

Okay. But well that we can at least we could talk about that later. Yeah. Well they do a epicode episode part two of Joshua Silverberg. Yeah. Post Netflix.

SPEAKER_00

But just start making moves in the direction whether you have context for it or not. Yeah. And I I don't like waiting around. I do not like like, oh, you know, we need if we had a million dollars, we can do this thing. No, that's the wrong mindset. Yeah. Like if you believe in that thing, just whatever you have, start going in that direction. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

If we were to so just do this exercise with me just for the sake of this conversation, because part of my heart here is what we've already talked about of getting people to recognize the gift in their hand and start start using it to have impact. Um when you take, I I just feel like so many people feel so stuck in certain ways. And most of the time it's internal. Most of the time it's just decisions you need to make. It's a perspective you need to shift, or um, and I I don't mean to say that external circumstances don't sometimes dictate feeling stuck, you know, because that life does happen. Um but if you were to like give like one word steps, you know, what would some of those one words be? So stewardship would be a a big word that you have. What would be what would be some more words that we could grab a hold of and go that's helpful?

SPEAKER_00

Action. Okay, stewardship, action. Faith is dead without works, yeah. Movement work. So I'm not talking about the grind. Yep. I'm talking about and why stewardship is key. You have a lot more time than you realize. Yes. So if you cut out some Instagram and some Netflix in your life or whatever, it's like, no, like, do you know how much time you will have? Oh my yeah, like says like the average person spends what, three hours a day or whatever the thing is.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, dude, it's at like seven.

SPEAKER_00

Do you know what you could do if you took half of that time and put it towards what your dream position in life would be, whatever that would be, and just made practical steps towards that, whether it's studying it. I'm sure whatever you want to be, there's a masterclass on it. So take some action. Study on YouTube, whatever you want to do. I'm sure the answers on there, including healing. I found it. I love it. Secondly, um, yeah, then put those after you have education, and you don't need um um uh years of it, you know. You yeah, you need four months on YouTube, and then after you did the do that.

SPEAKER_01

Joshua prescribed four months on YouTube, yeah. Not a day more, stewardship, not a day less, not a day over the four months or under. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Take action to it, so a practical step, even if it's tiny, you know. So, whatever that thing is, start doing it. You want to make furniture, I don't have the tools. Well, what do you have? Start gathering supplies, start writing plans, start like do a practical step because you watch the education, you know what you it's involved, and then start doing those things. Well, I need this. What do you need? Oh, you need that? Well, then go out and find that. I need help, I need to find this thing. We'll start make a post online say, hey, I want to do this and I need a partner that's good at this. Does it is anyone interested? Yeah. Yeah. And sweat equity. Take action. Yeah. If you don't have money, what you do have is sweat equity. Like everything that I have built to has started with sweat equity. Come on. I had no money.

SPEAKER_01

I'm such a big, big, I'm so behind what you're saying right now.

SPEAKER_00

So, like, I will like for a TV film masters, and if that language goes over people's head, there's a product to create um with music, right? There's recording and there's a process. Now, I didn't have money to pay people, but what I did have was, you know, like this hope of what if we get it landed somewhere? What if we split Revit? What if we split the fee? I don't even know if that's gonna happen, but what if I work with you? You're an amazing singer, I can't sing, you're an amazing drummer, whatever. What if we do this? I can't pay you, but what if we just go in on it? Sure. Well, now I don't need money. I can do what I can do, I can hit record, right? So we did this on stuff, and it ended up going bonkers, and we're all high-fiving. You know what I mean? But what if I what if it stopped me from doing it because I couldn't afford to pay that person? Yeah. Like figure there's always a way for me. There's always a way to do something creatively without money. You know, offer sweat equity. Believe in that thing so much that when you go to that person, go, this is gonna win, help me figure out how to do this. I'll and be generous with the split. Go in and be like, all right, we're going in even. Sorry if that shocks people, that's what I do. Yeah, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Gosh, that's beautiful.

SPEAKER_00

Um maybe that helps on a on other business ventures.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think I think that there's uh again, so many people feel stuck.

SPEAKER_00

You have a someone you know has a trailer or a truck and you want to create a mobile coffee thing, right? Maybe you know how to make coffee and they have the thing. Like you don't you can't pay for that thing, but what if you just say I'll cut you in on the revenue and just figure it out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Figure it out. It feels like you're a little bit of an internal optimist in the best way.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my god. Is that true? Yes, and all my all my kids, two of my kids, they literally believe they can do anything and they're the best at everything. And I'm not telling them they're not. Also, the fruit of kids of an internal optimist, like they're almost naive, but you kind of need that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah, dude, hit on that for a second. Most of the things I did when I was young, if you would have told me all the what it would actually take, I don't know that I would have done it. But if when you're naive enough to go, sure, then you walk away and either something doesn't work, but you learned a whole lot, or it works. And great. But um dude, I appreciate you so much.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, because my wife family is actually the opposite, but I would say ten times more talented than the family I come from. And it's just a different mindset. Yeah, like they are ridiculous, they are brilliant, they are creative and incredibly talented. Yeah, but not necessarily going out starting their own things, they work for everybody else. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

That's so that's so true.

SPEAKER_00

But they could, yeah, they could run circles around anyone.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I I run into people that like that often, and I think because they're seeing more or something, or like they've never been encouraged, but I'm encouraged. I'm trying to change the culture with my kids, and I'm you can do anything.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I love that. The eternal optimist that almost died and had an angel say, Come pray. I mean, it's an incredible story, man. Uh, tell us really quick, like, what are you working on now? What are you pointing yourself at?

SPEAKER_00

Well, the most I can tell you on that show that I won't tell the name I can say you've got to give the talents podcast listeners some some kind of juice, man, some kind of secret. Yeah, it's a kids animated show that involves music. So I can say that.

SPEAKER_01

Um and it's not veggie tells. No. Are you sure can you confirm that? Yes, okay. It's veggie rails.

SPEAKER_00

Veggie Rails. No, um, no, no. And there's just something awesome about trying to follow Jesus in all things. And for for me, one of the main ways he exposed the kingdom and truth and reality was through parables. So for me, if I'm going to make films, it's gonna have to be the way Jesus would have made it, in my opinion. Wow, which would have been parables stories that you know, um, and the old testament did exist and he did preach out of it, you know. He did so it wasn't I'm not against the chosen or David, you know, or anything like that. In fact, I think they're brilliant and beautiful. Um but I am 100% for creative stories uh that could go into any house or home um and convey the utmost biblical truth. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Conviction, man. Conviction's everything. Um I don't know if this would be weird, but I'd love to have you pray as we wrap up. And uh I personally have some family members dealing with cancer right now, and I think uh it's very probable that a lot of the listeners are maybe navigating similar similar situations or sickness or whatever. But I just um I love what's on your life. I love the faith that you carry, I love the optimism that's within that. And um, I love how bold you are with all of it. And I I the my favorite thing that you said today might just be the fact that you thought you knew where you were going to serve God. And God goes, are you gonna really bury the talents over here? I mean, that's so profound to me. Um please don't sleep on that. That is a that is a if you if you heard that today, um, but I I I I want to ask you to pray for healing, and I want I actually want you to pray over uh worry. I really feel like as you're talking, those two things are um something that I think most people deal with, and I I think God wants to set some people free as you listen to this. Praise God.

SPEAKER_00

I would love to. Yeah. Um maybe we go we'll go after we'll we'll go for worry like kind of address that and then like move into some like healing prayer. And what I would love to say about healing is just simply this is in the same way salvation, right? We're filthy rags, like we can never do anything to deserve it or earn it. Healing's the same way. Same price paid it, same spirit gives it, yeah. But whatever you apply to salvation, which is not our own work, it's only the work of Jesus. Yeah. And then secondly, the power, like for any miracle, has already been paid for by the blood of Jesus. So again, we can't pray good enough to get it, or we can't do something to convince God to give it. But um, he's already decided. Like he's done. He just sent Jesus to be the holy lamb that was slain, and it's our hope that that the lamb would receive the full reward for his suffering, which is healing, is deliverance, it's salvation. Um, so that's that's the that's where we're coming from. You know, so when Jesus prayed, he only prayed two ways. Um he either told sickness where to go, or he told the devil where to go. Wow, you know, so it was either ears open up or spirit of deafness go. There wasn't another way to pray. So when we pray, I would hope that we follow Jesus in all things and pray the same way. Because I'm not gonna do it better than him. Yeah, yeah. And what's interesting about this um is that we co-labor in Christ and we're fully committed to him. But since he it's kind of like chess, like he already did his part, so now we do our part, which our part is simply this one thing is just to pray. So on the sick person who wants healing, their part all you have to do is ask for prayer. You know, I don't have to like say a certain thing or do or or get everything in order. No, because according to Jesus, he healed everyone that came to him for prayer, not everyone, because he passed by people and there's plenty of people that he didn't heal, but everyone that asked for prayer got healed. So, from that, what I extrapolate from, if that's even a word, formula from that thing is just ask for prayer. So that's all the faith you need. If you have enough faith to, when we pray, to just say that's me, and I want to be involved in that prayer, then you have enough faith to be healed. That's it. That's all you need is to come to Jesus. Come on. So that's kind of the baseline. Um, and even as we're talking, I feel the anointing and presence of Jesus. Um, so I'm gonna stop talking and move into the praying part. So if that's you, if you struggle really with worry, and that's all of us, um, fear to take that step of action um because it's harder. Um, we're going to pray for that. So just put your hand just like on your heart as just uh an action of faith. Um yeah, and I'm gonna pray and just agree with me in the name of Jesus. Lord, we we repent of worry. We repent of fear, we renounce worry. We say we want worry to have no part of us, no part in our mind, in our souls, or in our bodies, and we distance and cut off ourselves from worry in Jesus' name. Yeah, so I speak to that worry and fear that would hold people hostage, and I command that to go in the name of Jesus. I command that to leave everyone who is listening in the sound of my voice. I command worry to leave the mind, to leave the body and to leave the soul in the name of Jesus. So worry come out of the mind, out of the body of the soul in Jesus' name. I command the effect of worry to go, the torment of worry to go, worrying dreams. I command you to go. Worry that that plagues you, that that voice that says, I have to be worrying about something. No, you don't. You have to be surrendered to Jesus. Yeah, you have to give Jesus your worry because that's what he asked for. So, Lord, we give it to you. Take all worry in Jesus' name. Yeah. We give it to you, worry for our kids, worry for the future, worry for the dream, worry for the the mortgage, the car, the the job, the whatever, the the thing we're trying to work on or build. Lord, worry for those pieces. No, we give it to you. We refuse to worry. We will have no concern what we will eat, what we will drink, what we will wear, what our health is, because that's what the pagans do. So we give that to you in Jesus' name. Praise God. Yeah. So let's move into just physical, emotional healing, you know, inner healing, mental healing, all of it, Lord. You paid for all of it, for everything. So that means we have a right as your child to say, hey, God paid for this. He told us to pray for this. So we're gonna tell these things to get in line with the word of God, to get in line with what Jesus has already said and paid for. So I'm going to pray right now in the way that Jesus has prayed, in the only way that I know how to pray. And I want you, if you're sick in body, or if you have a loved one who's sick, you know, like maybe mark this video or pause it here, or whatever you need to do. And just the same thing. I want you to just like if there's pain in your body or in an area, just put your hand on that area. Um, if you're able to. And then right now we're gonna pray. So, in the name of Jesus, I command sickness to leave that body right now, wherever it is. I command sickness, I command arthritis of the joints to go in Jesus' name. I command digestive issues to go in Jesus' name, acid reflux to go in Jesus' name, mental torment to go in the name of Jesus. I thank you, Lord, um, for OCD leaving right now in the name of Jesus. I thank you, Lord, for injuries to joints to go in the name of Jesus. I thank you, Lord, um, left ankle, uh, left those that have issues with the length, left ankle. I command in the name of Jesus be free, be loosed right now in the name of Jesus. I thank you, Lord, for sicknesses, tumors to go right now. If you have, if you have, if you're fighting a tumor and you can feel it, just put your hand on it right now in the name of Jesus. I curse that tumor right now. I command it to shrink down to nothing in the name of Jesus. Every spirit of death, every spirit of cancer, God, you gave me a second chance at life. And I pray, Lord, that I would be able to freely give that gift you gave me. In the name of Jesus, I speak life right now to every tumor, every cancerous disease, every disease that has no hope and no healing without a miracle, without a divine intervention, Lord. I pray that you would release power in the name of Jesus right now into every physical body that needs healing, whatever it is, from the top of your head to the soles of your feet. I thank you, Lord, that the power of God is falling right now, is touching bodies, is setting them free from the top of their head to the soles of their feet in the name of Jesus. So as you're feeling, I know there's people that are feeling that fire right now hit their bodies. Um, begin to move right now, those places that are hard to move. Begin to press on areas of the body that typically have pain. I thank you, Lord, that pain is going down now, 10, from a level 10 to 9, to 8, to 7, to 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0, to heal now in the name of Jesus. I thank you, Lord, that metal is dissolving. If you have restricted movement, if you have metal in your body that restricts you or causes pain, begin to move it right now. You will find freedom. Move it in the name of Jesus. Be free right now from from pins, from screws, from from rods, metal rods going down your back, down your leg, from knees and hips that have been rebuilt and from accidents. I thank you, Lord, for mobility coming back 100%. Turn your your neck to the left, to the right. I thank you for necks being free 100%. Thank you, Lord. And I speak to every disease. If you have a name, it's under the name of Jesus. So, cancer, you have got to go. Cancer in the stomach out now in the name of Jesus. Of Jesus, I see you. Come out of that body in the name of Jesus. Cancer of the stomach, every stomach eating disease, autoimmune, I command you to go. Every gut bacteria, every leaky gut, I command you to go. Every any type of gut sickness, any type of tumor in the gut lining, I command you to go now. In the mighty name of Jesus. I just see testimonies coming back, being healed of gut issues. Thank you, Lord, that you are king. So divine health from the top of your head to the soles of your feet be healed, be saved, be delivered in Jesus' name. Amen.

SPEAKER_01

Amen, man. You got me wrecked over here. Praise God. I think I'm emotional because I feel like people are really getting touched right now. And um, I just want to encourage you if if uh you just heard this prayer, pause it, play it back, send it to a family member. Um you carry Joshua such a heart to be like Jesus. And that might be one of my favorite things about you, or the most inspiring thing about you to me, and all the gifts that you have, and all the accolades and the accomplishments that you've done, um, you've had in your life, which I honor you for those, but I feel like um that heart to be Christ-like is maybe your greatest strength. And uh I just want to commend you on that and uh let you know you're inspiring me as well. So, dude, thank you so much for taking the time to be with me and share your heart and your journey. And um I feel honored to know you. So thank you. Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_00

And when you know you're loved by love himself, it's easy to want to become that thing.

SPEAKER_01

Come on, says the eternal optimist. That's what we all need in our life. It's a little bit more eternal optimism. So thank you so much, man. I appreciate you. Amen.