Screens and Social Media: What Parents Should Know and Do (with Chris McKenna)

Screens, social media, and technology are shaping our kids in powerful ways—but how should parents respond?

In this episode, I’m joined by Chris McKenna from Protect Young Eyes to talk about the real risks of screens and social media for kids—and the practical steps parents can take right now to lead well in a digital world.

We discuss:

The biggest dangers kids face with screens and social media
How technology is shaping their habits, attention, and relationships
What the recent concerns around platforms like Meta reveal
Practical habits parents can begin implementing today

If you’ve ever felt unsure how to navigate screens and social media in your home, this conversation will help you think clearly and act intentionally.

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About the guest:
Chris McKenna is the founder of Protect Young Eyes, an organization dedicated to helping families create safer digital environments for kids through education, resources, and practical tools.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:06

Welcome to Discipling Kids Podcast, where practical parenting meets practiced theology for families and ministries discipling kids for Christ. I'm your host, Pastor John Scheller. Chris, thank you so much for joining us. I want to kick off. Many of our listeners are going to be hearing the name Protect Young Eyes for the first time, but many of them are going to be very familiar with it. So for many of our listeners who are hearing your name, hearing about the company, hearing about the great work that you're doing, can you just give us a quick understanding of who you are and how you became the founder and CEO of Protect Young Eyes? Thanks, John.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

Yeah, great to have this conversation. And for those listening, I know that raising kids or grandkids with technology is quite the daily challenge. And I can't wait to talk about some things here. So I'm on a path, and maybe you can relate that I didn't expect to be on, right? I can look back and see how things prepared me for this, but never really saw myself on a podcast with a guy named John talking about digital safety with a CPA degree, right? That wasn't really what I anticipated.

SPEAKER_00 1:19

You know, my wife has said, she's like, I never my wife said, I've never thought I'd be a pastor's wife. I was like, well, sweetheart, I never really knew I'd be a pastor, so I get it.

SPEAKER_01 1:26

Yeah, that's right. Glad we're together. You know, um, first and foremost, you know, follower of Christ, husband to Andrea. We've been married 26 years, dad to four kids. Uh my oldest is a junior in college, our only daughter, and then three boys who are 14, 16, and 16 right now in grades eight, nine, and 10, respectively. I just finished dropping them off for the day at middle and high school. So we're right there in the thick of the parenting side of digital life. Um, but Protect Young Eyes came to be sort of through my background. I'm a consultant by profession. That was what I started for 12 years. I did coming out of college. I worked in large businesses in business risk consulting for Ernst Young. Lord called me into full-time ministry in 2009. So I left the business world, John, and became a junior high youth pastor because that's a usual professional progression, isn't it? That you go from senior manager at you know, one of the largest um accounting companies in the world into junior high ministry. That's like a perfectly logical next step in in your career, but I loved it and watched us during that time. If you think back to like 2009 to 2016, iPhone and 2007, you know, selfie and front-facing camera 2010-ish, Instagram, Snapchat 2012. That's when I started watching kids carry smartphones, not flip phones that you just texted on, but now smartphones for the first time. They're bringing these new devices and bringing these new apps. And John Parents had no idea what they were saying yes to. Those were the days of techno-optimism. It was all great and beautiful and elegant and flashy, and we just went all in as a country, and our kids went all in with what we gave them. And something in me felt like it was a really bad idea to give 12, 13, 14-year-olds a hundred million choices in their pocket. Mostly because of my own shortcomings, I knew what that would have done to me. I knew what it had done to me as an adult who struggled with compulsive use of pornography. I was exposed to porn as a young boy, carried that addiction into young adulthood and into early marriage, looked that monster in the eye, was able to come through that with Christ and accountability and a ton of forgiveness. And then I watched us put that monster back in kids' pockets. And all of that was just really unsettling to me. So Protect Young Eyes was born out of a simple desire to protect my own families at Cornerstone, where I was in youth ministry, led to a website in 2015, and then just on its own, with a lot of help from the Lord, became what it is today. I'm about just two years in, believe it or not, to doing this full-time. It was part-time what I was doing on nights and weekends and speaking engagement sort of here and there. After ministry, I went into a company that I'm sure many of your listeners and even there at the church will know, Covenant Eyes, an anti-pornography software company. I was their digital marketing manager from 2016 to 2023 until I decided to go all in and make Protect Young Eyes my full-time work in live presentations and curriculum and all the things that we'll talk about. So, again, a path that I look back and go, you know, the consulting prepared me for this, even my own experiences with addiction and harm, right? Uh, Pastor Jacob Aransa says that um it's beautiful when God takes our misery and turns it into ministry, and you see that redemption of things that were once broken, and that's the business of the Lord. And I love how that's working out, you know, even in my own life here. So that's the story. That's how we got to today. Uh CPA, youth ministry guy talking about technology, um, through technology with an awesome guy on the other side of the microphone here. So that's where we are.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

Well, thank you for being vulnerable as well and sharing part of your story. And I know that's really encouraging as there are a lot of men, a lot of women who are struggling with pornography because they were seeing images at a young age. Yep. And it and it got a an addictive hook into them. So you being bold and sharing that even now, I hope that that's an encouragement to listeners and viewers to find someone that they can share their story with, someone that they can trust, someone they feel safe with, so that as the Lord is doing with you in using that story to protect others and to share Christ that they can have the same opportunity as well. And you mentioned that you were watching, you know, you were experiencing the self, you were watching teens in your ministry, now having these smartphones connected to the Wi-Fi, to the internet, um, and what this was doing and and how there was kind of a Wild West mentality. Parents were just saying, go for it, because we didn't know what we didn't know. And Jonathan Haidt, in his book, The Anxious Generation, um, he argues that there was too much protection in the physical world and too little protection in the digital world in and around those 80s, 90s, 2000s. So can you help us understand what the health effects, what we've seen in the data from you know, 2010, you have the iPhone coming out in 2007. What are some of the the health effects we've been seeing and the trends that we've been seeing among Gen Alpha and other generations who had these smartphones?

SPEAKER_01 7:14

Yeah, there's a number of different data points that we can look at, different things that we can measure. Um, you know, one of the just simple places to begin deals with time. There's a graph that I show in the mental health and technology talk that we do. We do a lot of live talks in churches and schools all over the country and even internationally. And there's this one graph that shows time spent with friends. That's the simple title, time spent with friends. And it breaks it down into children, then ages 15 to 24, and then different kind of eight to nine year blocks of time all the way up into the 70s and 80s. And historically, the blue line, which that doesn't mean anything to listeners here, but on this graph, because I've seen it so many times, I can picture the blue line. The blue line represents ages 15 to 24, and it is five to eight times higher than all the other age groups throughout previous decades, right? The 40s, the 50s, the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, and the 90s, where that age spends more time with their friends than any other group. And we know that as parents, and we get busy with work, that you just don't spend as much time as you get older, and that's always been true. And around 2012, and so I put a I block off, this goes up to 2020, this particular study, and the slide that I show on the screen blocks off the years 2012 through 2020 just to show them historically, this is what this has looked like. This age group loves to spend a ridiculous amount of time with their friends in real life, physically, right? We remember the last day of school and how exciting that was to now spend time with your friends. And then when you pull and look at the year 2012 through 2020, it drops straight down, right down to where it meets the other age groups, people in their 40s and 50s, spending equal amount of time. Now, what's interesting about that, John, is they would feel as though they're spending time with each other, but it's one snap at a time, it's one text at a time, it's through headphones while playing video games. And I would argue that there is some togetherness that is experienced in those different digital situations. For example, I'm not an anti-video game guy, and that is a way to have some interaction and collaboration with a friend of yours, but you and I also both know that there's nothing like the being together physically in the flesh. So just a simple chart. Others that, you know, Jonathan has an endless number of charts that are in his book. Um, Gene Twenge is another author, really before John, that present a lot of that same data when you look at happiness or self-reported how do I feel or depression or anxiety. These things showed up first in our teen girls when you look at the graphs, you know, from around 2010, because that's when we have the self-facing camera. That's when we all start to go inward instead of outward with our relationships and how we interact. And of course, you know, teen girls and adolescent girls, they come to that realization of who they are. They feel deeper before boys, and so social media being a very relational, feeling-driven, limbic system, emotion-driven experience. We see impacts on them first, right? When you look at these charts, self-reporting, higher instances of feeling depressed or feeling anxious. So it's pretty obvious that something happened, right? Something happened in that 2010 to 2012-ish range, and more and more it's pointing toward what technology did just to change the dynamics of growing up, to change the dynamics of relationship and interactions. And not only that, just to increase exponentially the incidences related to exploitation of all different kinds, pornography being constantly just seconds away, every device in every pocket, right? You just think about what is it like to grow up constantly carrying a device that has access to the world's worst pornographic content every single day. Like, I mean, you and I grew up at a time where you had to go find or make a plan, and even then you couldn't get to certain things, it was impossible. That's just not what kids have these days. And I'm not saying that all kids are looking and experiencing those things, but it could. Right? It it's like carrying the could in their pocket, and you just hope, unless you've done certain things that we've tried to really make very obvious for parents, but that's the digital world that we live in today.

SPEAKER_00 12:12

So, yes, we've had books, we've had people talking about the dangers of technology. But even recently, here in the spring of 2026, there have been court rulings against big tech companies who are putting out apps and platforms like Meta that is now catching headlines. So, for instance, these big tech companies they often avoided um lawsuits against them because of section 230 of the 1996 Communications Decency Act, which says that tech companies are not legally responsible for what their users post. So that's made it difficult to bring cases over social media harm to a trial. But something different happened here this spring. So talk to us about what happened and why that's significant in bringing awareness to what people have been talking about, but now it's on now it's on the front page headlines.

SPEAKER_01 13:10

Yeah, there's a lot of history there, John, that you know contributes to where we are today. We live in the wake of laws that were made in the 90s. You referred to one, CDA 230. Many listeners aren't familiar with it, but believe it or not, you've been impacted by it in some way every single time you pick up a device. CDA 230 is what is sometimes referred to as the 26 words that built the internet. These were words that were intended to do two things. They were intended to encourage innovation by not allowing people to just frivolously go after tech companies that hosted content. If you posted, you John posted something horrible on a chat room or some forum, and somebody didn't like what you posted, they didn't want it so that that person could go after the company that hosted it. It was your content, not the company's. That's user-generated content. So CDA230 was intended to say, hey, don't sue the organization that built the box, be angry at the person who posted it there. And you can see where that can go wrong pretty quickly. And it ended up having a lot of unintended consequences. The other thing it was intended to do was it was intended to encourage companies who saw that somebody named Chris or John posted something horrible, they had the ability to pull that down if they wanted to, and they couldn't be sued for pulling it down. That they had the, you know, they could make that decision. Well, what ended up happening was just the opposite. They were like, well, hey, if you're telling me that I don't have to take it down, I could, then I'm not going to, and I'm just going to claim I don't know. And that allowed a Wild West sort of approach and this immunity shield to be built, where no matter what was posted, no matter how horrific, companies like formerly Twitter or X, who knew that videos of a 13-year-old boy being sexually exploited were being shared and they were monetized and sharing them, but nobody could do anything about it because you couldn't sue them for knowingly hosting that content because of CDA 230. So it became the shield of unintended consequence that allowed anybody to post anything with impunity and nobody able to do anything about it. Right? So that's where we've been for the past 30 years, is in the wake of CDA 230 and other laws that have not helped. What you referred to, what happened just recently, and now people will listen to this at different times, but in terms of the, you know, where it falls with this conversation, it was just a couple of weeks ago, was there was a young woman who sued the large corporate, you know, business, big tech. So she sued Meta, that's Facebook and Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, and YouTube, and said that she had been um targeted and addicted by their features and content and took them to court. That was over in LA. And it was a long trial. Mark Zuckerberg took the stand, Anna Moseri took the stand, a senior executive from um YouTube took the stand. Snapchat and TikTok ended up settling out of court, so we never got to hear from Evan Spiegel or the heads of TikTok, which is unfortunate. We'll get them eventually. But at the end of this multi-month, I think it ended up being about two months long, this trial, the judge found Meta and YouTube guilty on all nine, uh, not the judge, but the jury did. This is a jury trial, all nine statements related to um addictive design, malicious design, and all these things that they had to answer related to the platform. So what's significant about that is it's the first time in tech history that a jury trial went to court, like it actually went to trial instead of being squashed before it even got to discovery because of CDA 230. And not only did it go to discovery where we got all this behind-the-scenes information, that's the process of attorneys getting documentation and putting their cases together, but it went to trial, so then we had testimony from guys like Mark Zuckerberg. And not only that, it was found guilty. I mean, they so and it wasn't the money that was a big deal, John. It was only six million dollars. That's not the big deal. The big deal is, and I often use a Star Wars illustration. If you're a Star Wars nerd like I am, if you go to episode nine, which I know, you know, those weren't the best ones, but at the end of you know, episode nine, the Sith Wayfinder helped the rebels get to the destroyers in Exegol, and that was that one narrow path that allowed them to get through to know how to defeat the Emperor. This trial is the narrow path that shows a legal means of holding these companies accountable, and that is through not content, not that they were hosting bad content, but that under consumer protection law, they designed features that harmed consumers. And that's a different path, and it worked. And we have now thousands of other cases that are just waiting in the queue that are hungry to know how to move forward, and now we have a bit of a legal path forward. So that was one, and then kind of the day before that one on Wednesday over in New Mexico, the attorney general, it wasn't uh uh uh individual, but the attorney general brought forth and was successful in an over$300 million settlement against Meta, again, for consumer protection, creating something that harmed the consumers of New Mexico, and it's this narrow path that I think you're going to see exploited by the good guys, not the bad guys, but the good guys, now in order to get some justice.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

So we've heard for years now that there's a problem, that it's harming kids, that it's a wild west. Now we're seeing it on headlines. We're seeing rulings against tech companies like Meta. And so parents might be feeling like, oh, okay, so I've I've gotta sue these companies to start protecting my children. I mean that some may, but that's that's a that can be very intimidating and a big ask. And so, what are some other solutions that parents can be doing right now? Now that we know that there is a problem, we're seeing in the headlines there are problems. And Chris, I'm really excited. You've got a new book coming out this year as well that talks about five habits that parents and families can be doing to protect their children. Can you can you tell us more about this book and what are some of the things that families can be doing?

SPEAKER_01 20:07

Absolutely, thanks, John. And where you started with the question there referred to the different ways in which maybe we can finally get some justice. And I often talk about layers of protection in different ways. There are layers of protection, relational and technical layers of protection that parents can use at home, but in society, there are also layers of protection that are supposed to be wrapped around our kids in order to stop egregious harm because they're more vulnerable, right? And obviously, the primary place is home. Home is where this all begins. We are the primary disciplers, formers of our children. That's our responsibility. We're not the only ones. Schools also have a responsibility. If you send your kids to school, they have a responsibility. Places of worship, churches, have a responsibility, and I believe the church has done an abysmal job of being very forceful and direct on the spiritual darkness that is being handed over to kids in digital devices. I always say that I think one sermon a month, regardless of the sermon series, one sermon a month should be begging parents not to give kids technology and social media. So we have home, we have schools, we have places of worship, we have government slash policy. Those are laws that are passed. That's where courts and others come in. That's a layer that is necessary. I don't want the government telling me how to parent, but I do want the government telling companies that are intentionally building addictive, harmful products to knock it off or pay heavily. And then finally, we have the companies themselves that they should be acting more ethically and they should be designing products that contribute to human thriving instead of the extraction of attention and affection. So those are the five what I call sort of societal. Layers that are intended to be doing certain things when it comes to the protection of our children. And so for that home layer, that's exactly what I've been living out over the past 10 years and talking to tens of thousands of parents all over the world. What are the tactics that work? But even one higher level up from that, John, is not just the tactics, but what are the principles that, regardless of the technology, because I can show a parent how to block Snapchat, or I can show a parent how to remove the browser from their iPhone, but tomorrow there's going to be another technology that that doesn't work for. So what we need are principles that sit just above that, that regardless of whether it's social media, pornography, video games, artificial intelligence, AI chatbots, regardless of what it is, these are principles that I want us, you know, practicing in our homes to address these different technologies. And so that's what I've written are these five habits that I believe and have received feedback from, knowing that they work, that for all these different areas, these are the things that I want happening persistently and consistently in homes, so that regardless of the tech, regardless of the app, regardless of what newfangled thing is being marketed, that we have a fighting chance as parents.

SPEAKER_00 23:30

So can you walk us through some of those habits?

SPEAKER_01 23:34

Oh, yeah, I'd love to. Um we uh start off with modeling the right behaviors. So it starts with us. It is looking in the mirror first and asking ourselves, would we want our children to use their technology just like we do, where we use it, how we use it, and what we use it for? That they're watching us to make sure that the amount of time and the places when we're using it are appropriate, that we're giving them our full attention. I was just doing a professional development session for a group of teachers at a Christian school down in Southwest Michigan, and I had a teacher in the back who was interested in what I was saying, and I was sharing a lot of stuff about how to use technology while in the classroom. But she said, So what do we do about the parents? I was like, well, okay, here we go. And she was recently on a field trip and it was with elementary school kids, and parents were along as chaperones. And she said, What do I do about the mom who, when her daughter is there, you know, playing and we're there, you know, on this field trip, is literally just staring at her phone the whole time. And she was heartbroken at the fact that this mom was, you know, daughter would even come up and say, Hey, mom, and mom would look up, hey, and then just look right back down. It's like, what do I do about that, mom? And we had a you know separate conversation about that. Those aren't things that are very easy to solve, especially in that situation. But it's an example of what I'm talking about, that we need to give them more of our um attention, but show them how. And one of the phrases that I use in the book is do we show our children the sweetness of doing nothing? There's an Italian phrase that translates into English, the sweetness of doing nothing. And this doesn't mean we have to go Amish and bubble wrap ourselves from technology, it's not what I'm saying. But I think that we need to model what we want to be seen in our kids when it comes to tech. Simple micro moves. Some related to tech and some just related to the choices that we make. So related to tech, I tell parents, quit taking your phone into the bathroom. When was the last time? I'll be a little gross for a minute. When was the last time you pooped without your phone? Like, let's not take it into the bathroom with us. That's a micro move that seems small, but I think it's significant. On the other side of things, let's make decisions that cause us to actually interact. So when we go to the grocery store to show our children the importance of human-to-human connection, do we always go through the checkout lane that you self-scan? Or I've now made the intentional choice, John. No matter how much I have, unless I'm in a hurry, I always go to the checkout lane that has a human. Because what if that person there needs a hello? What if that teenager who's working there just needs you to say hi? The world is actually full of really nice, great people. And more and more we have convinced ourselves that we should isolate and not talk to anybody. And I want to show our kids a different way. I want to teach my kids what it looks like to talk to strangers wisely, but to interact with other human beings and what does that look like? That starts with me. So, John, that's modeling the right behaviors, and I spent a little bit of extra time there just to really explain kind of what we mean. And there's a lot of stories in there about what that looks like in that chapter of the book.

SPEAKER_00 26:59

And even as the Apostle Paul talking to, you know, writing his letters to the churches, saying, Imitate me, as I also imitate Christ. That's right. And and being what we want to see in our children, absolutely in the people around us.

SPEAKER_01 27:17

Yeah, definitely. From there, John, we move into another kind of relational step, which is to um, after modeling the right behaviors, we pursue authentic connection. So in a busy world, a full calendar doesn't mean a full connection with our kids. And I want us to remember what it means to be in deep relationship with our children, being observant, engaged, and informed in their lives, squaring up and looking at our kids, remembering that we remind them never a bad time, never in trouble. We talk about all the difficult things over and over again, even pornography. I have a phrase that sometimes sounds a little provocative out of context, but make porn the norm, meaning I want that to be a normalized conversation in homes in an age-appropriate way. We talk about 10 before 10, 10 conversations about pornography in some way before age 10. This is all in that pursuing authentic connection and making sure that our kids know that they can always land safely and softly with us, that whether they're four or fourteen, even your 17-year-old son, I want you dads or moms, you know, to tell your husbands, whoever, that I want your hand on the back of that boy's head from time to time, and you're just looking him in the eye and saying, Hey man, this technology here is coming for your heart. Right? The three G's, games, gambling, and girls, it is coming for your heart through this device. And you ever find yourself in trouble, I just, son, come my way. I've got you, you know, and they need to know that even when they're a little older, they can land safely and softly with us. So we build bridges of digital trust. That's a phrase that we talk about in the book quite a bit. Digital trust isn't automatic, it's not inherent, and it's not quick. It's step by step, chat by chat, building, laying out these bricks of bridges of digital trust between us and our kids. And that's all in the pursuing authentic connection. So the first two habits, John, are almost non-tech. I mean, they are and they aren't. They're very relational because I still believe that relationship is the primary preventer of digital harm. Yes, we have filters and software and hardware and things that we'll get to, but unless we've started with that foundation, then I think it just falls hollow. And there's always going to be another TikTok video that shows them how to circumvent whatever switch or software you put in place, but you've got to go for that heart side first. So that's modeled right behaviors, pursue authentic connection. Then we get into encouraging work and play, showing them the significance of work in the home and what it means to actually interact with their friends, and we do things with other families to make that happen because it's hard being the only parent who has said no to technology, and that means we as parents have to reach out and be more intentional. I, John, I find our culture, we know less as parents often about the parents of the friends of our kids than ever. And that didn't used to be true. I don't know about you, but my mom was like BFFs with whoever's house I was going to. Like she knew that family more often than not. And we need to get back to some of that, reaching out and us being the courageous ones to have conversations with parents of the kids that our kids are hanging out with so that we know what kind of experiences they're having. So model the right behaviors, pursue authentic connection, encourage work and play. Then we get into delaying addictive technologies, not all technologies, but addictive technologies. And we talk about what those are, we talk about video games, right? Not anti-video game, but parents just need to know that every yes to a gaming platform like Roblox or Minecraft or Fortnite is also a yes to a certain level of friction in your home. That's just what comes with games that are developed by PhDs and MIT trained software engineers, when they're the ones building it, that's the trade-off, is they are going to hook into just a little bit of your kid's brain, and you have to be ready for the friction that that brings with it. Again, I'm not anti-that. You just have to know what you're saying yes to, and we never should take for granted the power of some of these games. And we talk a lot about the brain and what's going on neurologically because it's very important for us to know what is happening in the limbic system of young people when we're saying yes to certain technologies so that we know what the potential for harm can be. So then, after we delay addictive technologies, we diligently prevent harm. And so, John, diligently preventing harm is the hardware and software. And these are layers of protection that we wrap around our kids. I talked about different layers in society that create more cultural protections around our children. But then there's the actual blocking and tackling layers of protection in the home. And it starts with relationship that gets back to digital trust with the first two habits. But then we get into what happens in the router layer because Wi-Fi is a very important, especially for younger kids, part of our home. Most of the devices that younger kids use aren't data plans or cell phones, it's Chromebooks and iPads and smart TVs and Kindles and things that are connected to Wi-Fi. So we have the router layer and then we have the device layer giving kids devices that are age appropriate. We have the location layer. We don't use technology in certain places like bedrooms and bathrooms. And then finally we have the app layer where you're enabling controls on Snapchat and TikTok and YouTube. They're horrible, but we enable them anyway, and that's why they're at the top. The illustration we use, John, is a pyramid. And if you think about a pyramid, it's widest at the bottom and thinnest at the top. And so the wide bottom are the things that are most significant. The relationship and the router, those are most significant. But then at the top, we do these things, but they are the least effective, and that is the apps. We don't depend on YouTube to protect our kids, but we enable what YouTube has and those controls at the top, along with not using phones in bedrooms, along with not giving them a smartphone until well into high school, along with a router that has protections at night so that they don't bring burner phones into the home, along with a solid relationship built on digital trust, makes it so those faulty YouTube controls at the top have a little bit of a fighting chance of doing their job, if that makes sense. So that's all there in that last habit. We diligently prevent harm with multiple layers of tactical protection hardware, software that we put all around them. So there you go.

SPEAKER_00 33:54

That's the book.yoyes.com. So I want to encourage our listeners and viewers, you know, we've gotten a foretaste here, but to feel very equipped, to feel confident as a parent as you're approaching technology, give this a read, be discussing these topics so that way you can ha your kids can have the the best chance possible in growing with these um very addictive and potentially harmful tools, but tools that can also bring a lot of connection as well, if done well. Thank you for that. Chris, thank you so much for this time. It's been I have been really blessed, and I just appreciate you giving of your time to share your wisdom and experience with us.

SPEAKER_01 34:50

Thank you so much, John, for those listening, and I appreciate the kind plug there. Ordering now, it will come out on June 16th officially, so just in time for summer reading or listening. I was just in studio recording the audiobook, so it's actually my voice recording it and going through that process, and so you can order it on Audible too. Um, but we just want to, again, scale and get this into the hands of as many families as as possible so that we have a fighting chance. We didn't have a chance to talk about AI, but parents know that the book does cover how do we handle this new technology that's in front of us? What are AI companions? Why are they so intoxicating to relationship-driven brains like our teenagers? Rest assured that that's all covered in there too. So I hope that that's a help. Thank you, Chris. Take care, John.

SPEAKER_00 35:48

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