Episode 15 - Mickey Factz Featuring Mickey Factz, Musalini & Seth Byrd

Episode 15 of Lemme Ask You This featuring Talib Kweli and Tef Poe welcomes Bronx born MC Mickey Factz and guest co-hosts Seth Byrd and The Musalini. Talib explains how he met Seth and thanks Mickey for what he brings to the culture. Talib asks about Mickey's online lyrical breakdowns and Mickey talks about his school, Pendulum Ink. Mickey talks about the legacy of Rakim and growing up in the Bronx. Talib asks about the blog era and Mickey's desire to make pop records. Mickey talks about how Talib combats racists online and why he makes anti MAGA music. Tef talks about how dangerous it's been to talk about Trump and Mickey talks about how he knew Trump would win. Mickey talks about being a fan of battle rap and how his opinions get him in trouble. Talib asks Mickey about his diss records towards Royce The  59 and his friendship with Lupe Fiasco. The conversation turns towards J Cole's comments about not being the best. Mickey says that trying to be the best is futile and Tef asks The Musalini about his rise in hiphop. Talib brings up his beef with Aye Verb and asks Mickey how him and Aye Verb started beefing. Mickey breaks down how Aye Verb has ghostwriters and talks about his Aye Verb diss tracks. Talib challenges Mickey to make an entirely conscious album. Tef talks about the demise of the Midwest Movement. Talib tells a story about a troll showing up in person and Mickey talks about his beef with Rum Nitty. This leads to a conversation about whether or not battle rappers can make songs. Talib salutes Mickey on his new music and asks him about teaching at NYU. Mickey shows love for Talib. Talib asks about Mickey's comic book centered podcast, which leads to a discussion about the best MCU content. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:12

Yeah, man, that's Talib Kwali. Tough pole. And this is, let me ask you this, and on this podcast, um, we have a good time, man. We've been having a good time. And we are here in beautiful Brooklyn, New York. That's cool. The sun has just gone down. The night is on my mind. You know what I'm saying? I got special guests in the house. We got my man Big Moose Mussolini in the house.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

Appreciate it, appreciate it, man. Just happy to be here, man. What's up, bro? You know, we chillin', man. Like you said, in the city, man. We got legends in the building, man. Just happy to be here, you feel me?

SPEAKER_05 0:47

No doubt, no doubt. Planet Asia brought you through. He over there in the good bro. Try to planet Asia in the country. We needed more voices in this particular discussion that we got to have tonight. Um, got my man Seth Byrd in the house. Hello, how y'all feeling tonight? Um, people don't know that me and Seth go back. People might uh be familiar with Seth on the Mav Hoffa podcast. Shout out to Mav Hoffa. And um, you know, me and Seth go back to like Crown Heights when I used to work at summer camp back in the days. You know what I'm saying? And and uh, Tef, I was telling you we did a show at Brooklyn Bowl. Um Seth, how long ago was it that I seen you at Brooklyn Bowl the first time? Uh I'd be honest with you, at this point, it's almost two decades. Going close to that, like 15. So we met when we was like, when I was like 14, 15, and then we hung out a little bit, and then we didn't see each other for a long time. And I seen him at my show at Brooklyn Bowl like 20 years ago while I'm performing. I seen him in the audience. And I'm like, is you said he was like, yeah, I've come backstage, and we've been hanging out since. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 1:47

That was wild too. Cause yeah, I just was like, I you know, I opened the Daily News. It's my man. I didn't see my man in a minute. Let me tell you, you know somebody loves me. It's my man. I'm gonna go see my people. So I went to go just see the show. Right. I watching him, he rocking. And he keeps, every now and then he said, nigga sitting in my yo chef, that's you. Nigga come around the back, nigga. Shit. Yo, after that, I swear to God, we've had Europe, Germany, all of Europe, all across Europe. That's beautiful, bro. Across the United States. Yeah, we've been hanging out. We've been hanging out. Yeah, I love it. It's been a while 20 joints, y'all.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

I think I met you in Ferguson.

SPEAKER_05 2:25

I met you in Ferguson. We went to Fergus. When I went to Ferguson, I met him, I was with Seth. Yes. That's right. Shout out to Jessica Care more, Rosa Clemente. Factual.

SPEAKER_03 2:32

Jessica Care. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:33

Yeah, man. But we have a special guest who came all the way from Atlanta. He's not from Atlanta, he's from the Bronx. Yes, sir. But he came all the way to join us on the Let Me Ask You This podcast. It is Mickey Fax in the place to be. Mickey, make some noise to my people. Yeah, man. And um, Mickey Fax, before we start asking you some questions to get into this conversation and this wonderful discussion about the beauty of hip-hop.

SPEAKER_03 2:56

Right.

SPEAKER_05 2:57

Um, I just want to say thank you for what you bring to the culture. Because you just as an artist, if you were just an artist, your contributions would be legendary and grand and very important. But you go above and beyond, and you don't have to do that. You make sure that the culture is represented in a certain light, you make sure the culture is represented academically, you make sure that we treat the culture with respect and it's treated like the fine art that it is. You were a connoisseur of fine art. You like a you I've known you for a long time. You like fly shit. You know what I'm saying? And you treat hip-hop like it's a real fly shit. And somebody got to do it, bruh. And and and you make sure that the real lyricist is highlighted, and you even when you go in at them, you know what I'm saying? You make sure that you do it in a way, like your whole politic behind it, as far as I can tell, is respect for the culture. And I just want to salute you for that.

SPEAKER_02 3:50

Thank you, brother. I appreciate that a lot, man. For real. Means a lot to me.

SPEAKER_04 3:55

I told you earlier, yo, I said um, it was a time where he was in, first of all, I we all miss you on socials. I'm glad. Definitely. I do. I do that once you come back. We do. We need you out here all the time.

SPEAKER_05 4:08

They don't, I'm not, I'm I'm Persona Non Grotting. All right. You know what I'm saying? They don't want me there.

SPEAKER_04 4:12

Yeah, but either way, I was telling them earlier that uh it was a time when you had some words with a battle rap, dude. You know what I'm saying? And you know, I take it, it's personal. Me and you go back that far. You know what I'm saying? So I was. Which two would you talking about? A verb shit. Okay, well, yeah. So boom. Clearly, we're gonna talk. We're gonna talk. I know it's gonna come up eventually, right? But I told him that I remember when it was all going down, you came to me, you looked at me, you said, he had a battle coming up with Verb. You looked at me, he said, My man got you like this, you said, My man got it. That's facts. That's facts like that. You know what I'm saying? So I had to tell him earlier. I wanna, because I it be feeling like I'm alone sometime on an island, you know what I'm saying? Like I'm gonna fight truth and nail for the truth of my people. Right. You know what I'm saying? But I know, I know there's a tempo on earth.

SPEAKER_05 4:57

You know what I'm saying? And I like the fact that we're gonna have this discussion with Mickey Facts about your whole career, but also about seeing it.

SPEAKER_04 5:07

Somebody got to turn the shit on the home somebody home is like this. Press F1.

SPEAKER_05 5:23

We should keep all of this.

SPEAKER_04 5:25

All of this has to stay. I'm sorry. This is I don't really do edits. I don't know how that works. But it stays, B. Listen. Shout out my brother Chino Chase, right there.

SPEAKER_05 5:35

Thank you, Chino. I appreciate it. Um, but I forgot what I was talking about. Averb, thank McFax. Yeah, but this is what I was talking about.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

Tef Poe. Yeah, Tef Poe. Tef Poe with the conversation. With the conversation.

SPEAKER_05 5:47

Oh, yes. I'm glad we're having this conversation. Um, we're gonna talk about your whole career, you know what I'm saying, and a bunch of shit, and just hip-hop in general. But I'm glad we're having a conversation that's gonna lead to um the situation with Averb, with Tef Poe in the house because he's from St. Louis. And I'm not, I'm gonna state off top. Like, I don't know a lot about battle rap. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't follow it the way that most people who who do what I do, I don't I don't follow it at all. So there's a lot about it I didn't know. There's a lot I've learned recently.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

Yeah, even like two hours ago, I was putting up him him up on game on little nuances. Yeah. He was like, damn, I didn't even know that.

SPEAKER_05 6:24

Yeah, because I was like, you know, I he told me that there's always been like a simmering energy of competition between New York and St. Louis that added to what happened with me and Dude and what happened with you and Dude that I didn't even know existed. Right. And if I had known that, it might have affected differently how I moved, maybe. But before we get into all that, right, um, you know, you are someone who gives other MCs their flowers all the time. And you do this thing, this lyrical breakdown on Instagram now, where you showcase new MCs, up and coming MCs. You do you do it with uh established MCs. Tell me why you started doing that.

SPEAKER_02 7:03

Um I just felt like I just felt like we don't have a double XL or a sauce anymore that's really putting what we do on the forefront. Like, we don't have that anymore. You know what I'm saying? Like, I remember picking up the sauce and looking at Rhyme of the Month. I remember picking up the double XL and seeing who who had the best verse, who had the best song. We don't have that anymore. And when I started Pendulum, after I created all these terms, I was like, I need people to understand what these terms are. And there's nothing in the world better than a rapper's ego. You know what I'm saying? And you know, because I'm a rapper and I know about our ego. So I was like, you know what? Me being a rapper and these are my peers, I'm gonna show my peers love and it's gonna just come out of the blue. They're not even gonna know. And then when they started seeing it, they would DM me like, yo, thank you. Because nobody, nobody even got that the way you got it. And they started sharing it, and then it just started growing, and then obviously the newer artists wanted to be a part of it, and it started to take a snowball effect of its own. But a lot of it became just you know, for two reasons, and that's we don't have an outlet for us anymore, like we used to, and also just trying to make sure my terminology got out there, you know, for the people with when it comes to Pendulum Make, my school.

SPEAKER_05 8:32

So Dow, tell us more about Pendulum, um, because that's a very important component of what you do and how you give back with the school.

SPEAKER_02 8:40

Yeah, I created Pendulum because during the pandemic I saw, you know, uh three of our heroes pass away and their affairs weren't in order. And that was DMX, that was Black Rob, and that was Shock G. And these MCs had hit records. They're legends to us. They're our forefathers, at least for me. Um and I said to myself, I don't have these things that these MCs have. I didn't I wasn't blessed to have. That's like the one thing that eluded me in my life. And I was like, what it what am I gonna do? What is my legacy gonna be like? I was like, maybe I could get into teaching. So I started to apply for colleges to teach at universities, and I got turned down because they said I don't got a master's. I was like, you can't have a master's in rap. So then I was like, alright, well, let me um let me reach out to um uh masterclass. And I reached out to masterclass, and they was like, don't call us, we'll call you. And that was the last straw. And I was like, you know what, I'm gonna just make my own school and I'm gonna give my own degrees and I'm gonna make my own terminology, I'm gonna write my own textbook. And it took me a month and a half to do it. And then, you know, I just called in the favors and I made sure to uh look out for the people that came through. So we had Inspector Deck as the first guest for the month when we first started it. Then we had Fontey, and then we had Master Ace.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

This was like at an actual location? Nah, nah, it's all digital.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

Uh yeah, it's all online. And I just started putting it together. And then we had Met the Man as the last one for the year, and then we started to put together a graduation in Atlanta. So we had people flying from all over the world. We had people flying from um, uh we had somebody flying from London, we had somebody flying from uh Lithuania, somewhere around there, we had somebody flying from Mexico, and then obviously in the States. And they all flew into Atlanta and we had a we had uh a weekend, like a hip-hop weekend. You know what I'm saying? Friday night, I took them all to an Atlanta Hawks game. You know, it was my treat. I paid for everybody's ticket to go to the Atlanta Hawks game. Uh the next Saturday we had like in-person classes in the daytime, and then at night we had a showcase. We sold out a venue in Atlanta. And then the next day we had Bum B speak at, you know, I think, I think I think I had performed in, I think that's when I saw you. I think I was like, yo, Bum B just is gonna teach or something like that. So Bum B had came to the graduation and he spoke, he gave the commencement speech at our first ever graduation. And um, you know, he had hit his head, he was all fucked up, but he still got on the plane, and and you know, he was like, Mickey, I gotta do this for you because this is something that I've never seen before. He called the school a wellness center. We gave out degrees, we gave out awards. It was it was unlike anything I've ever experienced before, you know what I'm saying? So that's why I created Pendulum Inc. and that's what it's about. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 11:38

His question is beautiful. Have you ever thought about really putting it into something brick and mortar? Yeah, it's just very expensive. I mean, I I mean I could have imagined. The infrastructure's not out here. We don't got like Dr. Umar with a school and Kanye with a Dr. Umar. We I mean we do have, no, I'm just saying, not to be funny, but we don't have Blackview Umar. We just jumped out the school. We don't got we don't have any black school that would take this as a program. So Dr. Umar. When we first, when we first yo, yo, yo, listen. Dr. Umar got to school. Dr.

SPEAKER_02 12:09

Umar, shout out to Umar. Dr. Umar got to school. Um, you know, they they got the hip-hop high that's about to start in the Bronx, and they got uh hip-hop high in Minnesota. Uh, but my focus is primarily like lyricism and hip-hop, strictly. Rest in peace to Clark Kent. When I showed it to him, he was like, yo, Mickey, this is beautiful, but make sure you say you're teaching lyricism first before hip-hop. Because, you know, you're teaching lyricism, and it's just that there's some components here with hip-hop, but it's mainly about the art form. Clark Kent. Brooklyn's own Clark Camp. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 12:41

Said that. At some point, people were rapping. And then Rakim came along. And they went from rapping to rhyming. What does that call mean to you?

SPEAKER_02 12:57

Rakim. It was the first MC that I ever heard, and I was eight years old. But Rock Kim, I found Rakim not too long after that. And I my fair my first song that I ever heard from Rakim was Microphone Food. And the rhyming was different because it was staccato before Rakim. Whereas Rakim was like, I came in the door, I said it before, I never let them agreeze me no more. So he encompassed flow, he encompassed delivery, he had a great pocket, he had a great, great breath control, uh, he understood spatial rhyming, he understood all the components it it meant to uh encompass rhythm and style, understanding how to utilize the art form of jazz and put it into rhyme format within the conf uh confinements of measures and bars. And he did it at a very, very high level when again everybody was staccato and he came in legato.

SPEAKER_05 14:04

And to add context to that, he was uh a jazz musician. He's producing those beats, he's playing drums, he's playing bass, he's making that music as well. Yeah, a lot of those records that people thought other people did.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

And then he was just also, he also, not only was he a great rhymer with his delivery, his tonality, his his uh his uh everything that encompasses the vocal projection, he also elevated the technique aspect of it, right? The multisyllabic style of things, the metaphor, the simile, right? Even having uh uh overlapping where you go past the bar to continue the rhyme. He was doing all of these things in 1985, 86, 87. Um and for me, that's the reason why Clark can't say what he said.

SPEAKER_05 14:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:54

Shout out to Rock and Rock. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_05 14:59

Now you're from the Bronx. You went to Adelaide Stevenson. Yes. Let's break down the importance of the BX, the X, as you will. You know what I'm saying? And it not just is importance in hip-hop culture, but its importance in New York City culture.

SPEAKER_02 15:18

The Bronx for me, um, I was born in Harlem. Uh my father used to rap to me when I was in the womb because he wanted to be an artist in 1982. So that's probably why I rhyme right now. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Uh he had a song called Streetwise. I don't know what his rap name was, but he had a song called Streetwise. And growing up in the Bronx, um, you know, like anybody in the late 80s, early 90s, I was just a kid in school. I loved Chriss Cross. You know what I'm saying? I I wore my jeans backwards. You know what I'm saying? I won a bomb album? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 15:54

I did have a bomb album. That album got banned in Japan because they had a picture of Hiroshima on the country.

SPEAKER_02 16:02

I love, I love them. I love nice and smooth. You know what I'm saying? Like, I love Kane.

SPEAKER_05 16:06

Nice and smooth is underrated, bro.

SPEAKER_04 16:08

So they say I I they booped like nice and smooth out of history, I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

Yes, they did. Greg Nice is one of the best, man, for real. Tribe Core Quest, obviously. Um, and then obviously Wu Tang. So, so the Bronx, we were, I didn't really get into hip-hop, hip-hop for real, for real, until I got to high school. So, like, as a freshman, uh, it's like 1996, and everybody was like bringing in their tapes and telling us what was out. So, you think 96, you think Buster the Coming Pause, you think, you think, um, you think Muddy Waters. Wait, wait, wait. Nah, I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_04 16:46

Buster the Coming Pause is great.

SPEAKER_02 16:50

You gotta pause that. So you you know, you got you got Red Man Muddy Waters. Muddy Waters. You know what I'm saying? Um you got Nas. Um Junior Mafia had just dropped. Okay. So big, you know, all eyes on me. All eyes on me. All of these things had came out. So at this time, Jay, shout out to my man Coach at the time. He was running around like, yo, there's this new cat, Jay-Z, he's the best rapper of all time. And I was like, nah, it's still big. Um, and at the time, you know, um, that's when I started to get into uh um hip hop, really, and started to write my own rhymes and um, you know, repurpose Jay-Z lyrics. So like instead of Jigger, it was pigeons because, you know, what uh Sporty Thieves had did. And I was just in the lunchroom all the time. Shout out to Dragon, shout out to Remy Ma. We was all in the same school together. And, you know, there will always be ciphers, there will always be battles, and you know, people would come to others from other schools to, you know, test us and things of that nature. Def Jam had came to the school. When Def Jam came to the school in the big bus, I uh I didn't win. Remy Ma won. She won this like tournament that we had. And I went up to the guy and I was like, yo, I want to I want to intern for y'all. This is 1998, and he was like, alright, take this number down. I wrote the number down, and I every like three days out of the week, I would go down to Midtown Manhattan and I interned at Dev Jam. I worked China Doll for Foxy Brown, I worked uh Judgment Day for Method Man, I worked uh the DMX second album, Flesh and My Flesh, Blood of My Blood. And then while we were, you know, this was back in the day, so we was putting up posters. So while we was putting up posters, even though I love Def Jam, I loved pun. And I love Mob Deep. So I went over to loud. So I was going allowed on Mondays and Fridays, and then on the Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, I'll back, I'll be at Def Jam. So I worked Pun, I worked Capital Punishment, I worked Murder Music by Mob Deep, I worked uh The Pillage by Cappadonna. I told this story, same story to Steve Rifkin and um uh my man Dante Ross. And they couldn't believe it. They were like, yo, you were really like a part of, and I mean, but that's New York City culture. I did the same shit.

SPEAKER_05 19:02

I didn't do it for the labels, but I did it for Jessica Rosenblum and the tunnel and then put up posters for shows and flies from the city. But that's us paying our dues. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:11

I did it for the labels, trying to be like New York kids. Because all the New York kids I knew that was making trailway was like, this is how you learn how to put your own product out by the street team.

SPEAKER_02 19:19

Right. Was it uh because you were in St. Louis at the time, I'm guessing. Yeah. So there was a point person for the labels down there.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

Several of them. Like uh, especially during that time, because we had Nelly and them doing quadruple numbers. Right.

SPEAKER_05 19:29

You said you were doing it for G Unit at one point, too.

SPEAKER_00 19:31

G Unit, Interscope. Uh I didn't work for Dev Jam, but the Dev Jam cats in my region were like our rivals. So they were like blazing. They had the Dev Jam jackets and shit. Yeah. You know, they used to get in the club for free just because they had the Dev Jam jackets, they had the posters, you know. So I learned the game from them cats. Like show up early with all your product. You look like a label rep. You got the jacket before.

SPEAKER_04 19:56

Like I said, imagine you out here pimping earth with a deaf jam jacket. That's it.

SPEAKER_02 20:01

Not enough. Yeah, I mean, but that I would come to school with all of this work. You know what I'm saying? And you know, we we ain't have money like that. We was, you know, it's the bronze, it's 98, 99. We was poor, like, you know what I'm saying? So, like, me coming to school with these tapes and these samplers and these stickers and these I was that guy at that point. Plus, I was rhyming. So everybody kind of thought and felt that and knew that I was gonna be that guy after a while.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

That's dope.

SPEAKER_02 20:25

That's what's up, you know. I like that. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_05 20:28

I like that, yeah? I feel like that's where your hustle in the blog era comes from. Yes. Because you was the first in the blog era to be dropping like a song a week. Yes. You did that for a year? Yeah, I I I did it for seven months. Did you stack up and bank them first? No. It was fresh. Every week. Fresh baked.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

Fresh baked. I think that was. Every week. That's how I first heard of you. Like, I think you and Currency were doing that shit.

SPEAKER_02 20:54

Currency was doing a mixtape every year. Currency was right. He was wow. Shout out to Currency. He was doing a mixtape every month. Um, I was doing a song every week. Um, at first I didn't want to do it, but um my uh AR at the time, Steve O, he was like, nah, this is you should do this. Crooked Eyes, he was putting out a freestyle every week. And he started his in July of 07. Okay. But then in 08, January, I was dropping it every week. And, you know, I did the record with Tanya Morgan, I had a record with Drake, I had the record with the cool kids, I had the record with Cuddy. So like mine felt a little bit more impactful because of the people that I had on the records. And we was doing it every week. And then once I started seeing people was copying me, I said, let me stop. And I stopped and like, I stopped at week 34 because I was like, nah, niggas is I'm not jacking niggas copying. It's on streaming platforms. You can go get the understanding and the and the inspiration, they all out right now.

SPEAKER_04 21:59

Oh, that's what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:01

You was really trying to make big records though. And I feel like that's a part of your story that's very important is that you came in the game really trying to win. You wasn't like I'm an underground rapper, I'm here for you. You wasn't like I'm here for the culture. You was like, I'm trying to fucking win. You was on jobs. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 22:19

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_05 22:21

When I heard Paradise, is Paradise your biggest record?

SPEAKER_03 22:24

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 22:24

Okay. When I heard that's an amazing record, by the way. But what I liked about the record is it sacrifices nothing.

SPEAKER_03 22:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:30

It gives, it gives no, doesn't give an inch. It's still lyrically there, but it's a big record. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I feel like that record should have been, could have been bigger.

SPEAKER_02 22:40

That was all Jeff Sledge's idea. Shout out to Jeff Sledge. He was, because I I signed to Jive because I had pop records. I really wanted to be, I was trying to be a bigger artist. Even though I had all of these hip-hop roots, I'll never forget in 2009, because B.O.B. was the one of the biggest artists at the time. He had a show in Augusta, Georgia. And it was at a college. And we, he, you know, he brung me out on stage to rhyme. And he was like, Y'all got my guy, Mickey. And we had just made the cover. So he he of the double XL. So he he was like, Y'all got my brother Mickey Fax coming out the rhyme. Everybody went crazy. I kick 16 bars. They go, they go ballistic. I do it a cappella. Then we do our song, and then he ends the song with, he ends the uh show with airplanes and nothing on you. We go backstage and he's like, yo, Mickey. Pause. Every time I hear nothing on you, that shit is. Yeah, I'm sorry. That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. So we go backstage. It was about 3,000 people in the crowd. It was about 3,000 people in the crowd, mainly white. And he was like, Mickey, I would trade anything that I have right now to have what you have. And I was like, what do you mean? He was like, you have the respect. He's like, I got the records, but you have the he said, Well, what you what I just saw, you just came on and you just rapped and they went crazy. But you know what's crazy about that story?

SPEAKER_05 24:16

B.O.B. opened for me on tour. He wasn't, it wasn't, he didn't open for me, it was a tour with me, him, and David Banner. This one Banner had like a pimp out. Right. We did a tour with some sort of corporation. And B.O.B. went first. And he was amazing. I mean, he was spectacular, bro. Like I remember people was blown away by him. He was singing, he was doing all types of other shit. And he had bars. But I feel like that got lost in his pop personality. Yes. So he got signed because of how ill he was, but then he got in the machine. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 24:47

And I think that's that's what he meant. Because what you saw on tour is what he wanted, he wanted to see his people in the crowd.

SPEAKER_05 24:56

But he came up under Outcast, right? You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 24:59

But then he, you know, he had these huge, like he had a record with Paramour. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He so Bruno Mars, like, these are huge records that he'll live all for the rest of his life. But when he looked into the crowd, he didn't see himself. And he wanted that desperately. And I don't know, you know, again, another story really quickly before we move on. Tyler the creator dissed him. Right? And I was at his crib, I was at B.O.B.'s crib, and I said, Bob, do not diss Tyler the creator. I said, Let's let it go. Don't diss him because you're gonna make it bigger. He's like, nah, I gotta do it because I want the respect. He he was he wanted that because he's such an artist. He's such an MC. He's such a, he's such an art, he he wanted that respect. And that's one of the reasons why Tyler kind of took off because you're talking about a guy that's here, Tyler's here. Tyler was he's not, it's it wasn't the same. And he uh he addressed it being up here, and then it you know what I'm saying? And for me, um, I wanted to be like B.O.B. bro. Like I wanted to be that. I wanted to have, so when I signed a jive, I'm like, Jive is the label that pushes pop. So let me come with these pop records and let them take me to the moon. It just so happens that Barry Weiss left the label in 2011 to go to Def Cham to be the CEO there. And so all of the big records that I had, they never came out because the label folded and I got moved to RCA. So that's the reason why. Like so Paradise is a big record, then right after that, we came with the Marshan Brochure record, which was another, it was about they were about the impact, and then the label folded, and then that was it.

SPEAKER_05 26:51

Yeah, man. We got a lot of records. So you you you you are trying to go pop and got these pop records, but you also got records like Under God, where and I think what's important about Under God is that you sample in Fred Hampton, which is very important, I think, to add to the music, and thank you for doing that. Um you are critical in that moment, Barack Obama was like a phenomenon. But you're being critical of Barack Obama in that record, but you're doing it in a way where it's the purpose of you, and you're not you're criticizing how they are opposing the Republicans. And I feel like in your music, more than most people, you take a you you you call out Republicans specifically. And I think we're in an era where people are scared to do that. Um people will say to you more often than not, you know, it's two wings and the same bird, and you know what I'm saying? Like if you're just a puppet for the Democrats. Do you get any of that from from the way that you call out MAGA and call out Republicans?

SPEAKER_02 27:57

No, I don't get any of that. I get all of it.

SPEAKER_04 27:59

I was gonna say, yo, you know why he's I'm like, Word, how tell me how you how do you pull it off if you put my man up?

SPEAKER_02 28:04

See, see, see, the thing about it is Talib, like, Talib, because I'm I'm a fan of Talib. I've been a fan of him before he before I was even like who I am. So Talib does it in his spare time. He does it as fucking comedy. He does it freely. It doesn't matter what's going on. He could be on the beach, he could be in the studio, he could be on a train, he could be in the air, he it he could be angry, he could be happy, it doesn't fucking matter.

SPEAKER_04 28:35

He's gonna do it. And the wild part is I've been on my children. One day he said, look at this. David Duke is mad at me. What? Yeah, David Duke was chewing on me and TJ Vlad.

unknown 28:51

What?

SPEAKER_02 28:53

David Duke is mad at me. So for me, for me, um, when I create my music, I always, I feel like Talib was a was a daily, it's a daily scenario. With me, I feel like the music resonates more. So I have to have at least one song on every project that talks about how I feel about the political climate that's going on. So you can trace it all the way back to when I was sampling N-E-R D, you know, and I was talking about it's crazy, you know, we have a dick, a Bush, and a colon in office. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So like, I've I've been on it since 06. So every, I'm always, there's always gonna be some type of political discussion and discourse, whether it's uh our people being senseless, senselessly murdered or uh the presidents or whoever's in office, I have to talk about it because it's important. And I feel like I'm from the era, I'm from the school of Chuck D and Public Enemy. And and and they were doing that. So yeah, every record, every project, I'm I'm gonna have a love song on there, I'm gonna have a political song on there, I'm gonna have uh some lyrical shit, but I'm also gonna talk about that. I think it's important to talk about our history and and talk about what's going on in the climate, you know, say as a lyricist at least. And uh I appreciate I didn't do that. So I appreciate I appreciate the fact that you, you know, brung up Undergard because, you know, I talked about uh uh uh Shorty that passed away, who got stopped by a police uh in Houston. What was her name? Sandra Bland. Yes, Sandra Bland. I spoke about her Undergard. Um I spoke about Brianna Taylor when I did my project with Blue. You know, like I just feel like it's important to talk about these things because who else is gonna do it?

SPEAKER_00 30:47

That's the thing. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_02 30:49

That's the thing.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

How do you um go about parsing out what's gonna be the topic for these political songs every go round? Is it more uh instinctual or just or are you doing like a uh Uncle Murder going through the year wrap-up or something?

SPEAKER_02 31:04

I try, you know, it depends on how I'm feeling. Like, you know, like hey man, you need skills. Shout out to skills, shout out to skills, shout out to Murder. Shout out to Magic, yeah, you know. Shout out to Skills, VA, shout out to Murder of Brooklyn. I mean, for me, you know, it depends on how I'm feeling. Like, I was really hurt by the Sandra Bland thing. I was really hurt by the Breonna Taylor thing. I was really hurt by the Mike Brown thing. Uh, all of these, you know, Philando Castro, all of these, all of these things affected me as a black man because I could be pulled over and the same thing could happen to me. Uh, my son, who's only six years old, uh, I did a whole project just dedicated to my son. Shout out to Chris Rivers. You know, his father's big pun. And the only time he could hear his his father's voice is through records. And I said, if I was to ever die, my son, he can only listen to songs. So I did, I dedicated a whole project to him. And I have two political songs on there. Telling him what to do whenever you stop by police, and also to just uh and what the political climate potentially may be in the future. I just think it's just important that we have these conversations. Because if we don't, who is? You know what I mean? I I just find that we just gotta talk about it, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 32:19

When you did that dedication and you told them what the political climate might be, how close was it to right now?

SPEAKER_02 32:26

It's pretty close, bro. Pretty close out here? Pretty close, because you know, we had just come out with the Trump shit, and I was like, we probably gonna get Trump another four years. At least you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:35

I still owe this man a dollar. Yeah, you owe me a dollar. Give it to him right now. Yeah, you know, I I don't I don't have I don't try to gasp around like that.

SPEAKER_04 32:43

Okay. I don't care, I don't care, cash around.

unknown 32:46

A dollar?

SPEAKER_05 32:47

No, yeah, um, I was um a Trump, the first Trump election was an awakening for me, awakening for me because I um I pride myself on being in touch with the people and knowing what's going on. Right. But also I travel the world and and I'm very privileged as an artist to be able to travel the world and walk into spaces where they are paying good money to hear what I got to say. Right. And when I walk around, people be like, yo, I love what you add to the world and this and that. And and so it's like you could sometimes be in a bubble with that shit. And when Trump first ran, I just I was like, Don Trump, he was like, he's gonna win. Right. I'm a blue-collar worker. Yeah, he ain't a blue-collar job, and you know what I'm saying? We friends, but we have different lives in that in that regard. And he was telling me. I'm like, ain't no way Trump gonna win. And we was we was on the phone going back and forth. We better know. How do you survive this?

SPEAKER_04 33:37

Listen, you better die one dollar. One dollar.

SPEAKER_05 33:42

Listen still holding out. Let me tell you, here's the crazy part, right? But that was let me be before you say that, I want to hear what you gotta say, but that was a lesson for me that I my activist shit, and that might be why I got on that shit that I was on on Twitter. My activist shit, I'm not just online for people who know me. I do real shit. That's why I met Def Poe. Because I really be out there in the world doing real shit on this activism shit. But I I doubled down after Trump. If you remember, I went out to the to the to the White House and I said, we not leaving until you go on. And that's took a week.

SPEAKER_00 34:15

I don't know how you got away with some of this shit, because I played with Trump one time. I ain't gonna cap. I played with Trump one time. I played with politicians a lot, you know what I'm saying? Like how he did the whole album dissing rappers, I do that to them. Yeah. That's hard. And the thing is, I could test the altitude for different ones. You know what I'm saying? Some some some of them let them let some will let you play with them a little bit, right? Trump don't let you play with them. So I said one thing about Trump when he first, he wasn't even in that motherfucker yet. Man, they made my life a fucking living hell. I said she built different than a motherfucker. I couldn't play.

SPEAKER_04 34:50

That's exactly why I was mad at him. Because the same story he just told y'all, one day I look online, he's on Al Jazeera. He's like, Yeah, shout out to my man Seth Bird, who told me. You talking about me? Yeah, I said, I did do that.

SPEAKER_05 35:05

I did do that.

SPEAKER_04 35:07

I said, don't tell him what? He said, nigga, I ain't here like that. He said, yo, why you saying my name? Yeah, no, but I as a blue-collar worker, right? I'm out here with the people that really pay taxes, right? We build builders, the people that built this city. I was like, oh, this is a democratic city. All it was like. Now he lost New York.

SPEAKER_05 35:28

Yeah. No, he no, he lost New York. He lost here. He lost New York, but but that don't matter. He lost the city. He lost the city. I'm talking about New York City, that's what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_02 35:36

He lost it. He won the state. He won the state. He won the state of New York? Yes. Because the city is.

SPEAKER_04 35:42

No, because the city, all right, think about it like this. Most of the votes are here. But because of most of the votes are here, it was just a blue little no, it was just a blue and a sea of rest. The electoral votes still. No, it's because the rest of the state doesn't have as much voting power. So Talib, what I do, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:01

Um because I'm from the Bronx, man. I never thought that I would see the world, right? And shout out to Tef. Shout out to Seth, shout out to Moose. Um when I first started touring, I would tell the promoters, fly me in early. I want to see the hood, and I want to see the rest of the city. And the reason why I knew that Trump was gonna win was because we were going to tour. I still do this to the day. Take me to the hood, take me to the city. I want to see everything before I check into my hotel. And I would see Trump signs, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:37

Everywhere. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:38

And that's when I knew he was gonna win.

SPEAKER_00 36:40

What type of places was this you were seeing?

SPEAKER_02 36:42

Ohio, uh Iowa, um, Kentucky, you know, Florida, Orlando, like, you know, when you're in when you're in Metro, when you're in America, right? America, when you're in metropolitan cities, you can be desensitized. That's right. That's right. That's what happened to me. But when you go outside of that, he runs that whole thing. Right.

SPEAKER_05 37:03

Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah. You're right. Now, speaking of making whole albums about rappers or politicians, yes. Um, you at some point decided, from my perspective, and you could tell me from right or wrong, to transition your energy from like being in the industry and making these pop records to like, I'm gonna focus more on the craft, focus really more on battle rap. And you kind of really injected yourself from my perspective into the battle rap culture. Um, would you say that's accurate?

SPEAKER_02 37:33

I would say that I was I was a super fan, and being a super fan, I don't I don't have the same luxuries as other super fans because I'm a rapper. So my opinion holds more weight, and my opinion got me in trouble in battle rap. Explain how. Because I'm I'm a rapper from the industry, even though they try to downplay it, because battle rap's whole mantra is you have to tear your opponent down. No matter how successful you are, they're going to find something to tear you down like you ain't shit. So my failures become their uh carrot on a stick, pause. You know, they want to be able to take that and utilize it against me. My successes are their cannon fodder for me. So even if I'm saying, yo, I didn't like that round, the person who I said that to, they're gonna be like, well, fuck you now, I'm gonna take shots at you. And that's part of my. They're not looking at it. They're not looking at it, they're not looking at it objectively like I'm just a fan. They're looking at it that you know exactly what he's saying. You're a fan and a rapper, so now I gotta go at you.

SPEAKER_04 38:37

But you told me with the Corey Holcomb thing. I'm not a civilian. I can't just be saying to people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:44

And that's where that's what happened with me, Talib. Like, you know, I I that's interesting. I never thought about that. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_05 38:50

Yeah, that's like what happened with me on Twitter. Yeah. You're not a civilian.

SPEAKER_02 38:54

You're not a civilian.

SPEAKER_05 38:55

No, but just it's just like it's just like the way it's it's it's the uh the uh the power dynamic.

SPEAKER_03 39:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 39:02

Is that the way in which I was uh treated social media not as a branding tool, I treated social media as like I'm gonna talk just like one of y'all niggas. And but I the people when I did it is now I'm getting all these shots and getting all these, and and oh, you should shut the fuck up, and he should get off Twitter. And and then I'm taking that in a way like, well, I'm gonna come back at you the same way that you, you know what I'm saying? And it becomes, and that's that's what it is.

SPEAKER_02 39:22

And what's what's interesting about it is, bro, is because of who we are, what we say, if we if if it's powerful enough, the shit fucking makes the news. The shit hits double XL, the shit hits fucking uprocks, the shit hits the source. And then next thing you know, we're just being ourselves, but the shit is is making the news, and now we're in the news cycle for our opinion when really we just want to be regular people. And, you know, I lost sight of that a lot of times, and then I had to kind of pull back my opinion in that battle rap world realm because I I've done five battles, but you know, there's some people that just only look at me now as a battle rapper. And there's other people that just look at me as an industry artist that has battled. It's just a fucking weird dynamic.

SPEAKER_04 40:10

Technically, it all depends on because y'all don't realize how it's time, you know that, right? Time is a thing. So from the 90s, people know you as right, but the people that discovered you not even the 90s or 2000s. 2000, right. But the people that discovered you in the last five, ten years, right? They only know you, yeah, you're a battle rapper today. Right, right. And you have to, you, that's the hat you wore. Some people might know you as just an author.

SPEAKER_05 40:36

So people know me as that that's the guy from Get By, that's the guy that's on the Kanye album, that's the guy from Twitter, right, that's the guy from People's Party. It depends on where you're.

SPEAKER_04 40:45

Oh, where you correct, where you came in at, right?

SPEAKER_00 40:47

But I feel like in Fax case, for me at least, it would appear that you are a person on a quest to be a full-blown practitioner of DMC arts.

SPEAKER_02 40:57

Yes, yes, yes. I wanted to cipher, I wanted to go on radio stations, I wanted to do the battle, I wanted to have a hit record, I wanted to do features with my favorite artists, I wanted to do records with up-and-coming artists, I want to do singular projects with different producers. All of these things to me is what you just said. I want to encompass everything. So when it's all said and done, you can just look at the resume and say, what other nigga did this shit?

SPEAKER_01 41:25

Yo, that's great.

SPEAKER_04 41:28

Right. Yo, both of them said that shit, yo. All that you're good love rundown, both of them listen, then both of them said, but when I say something, I just want to be treated like a regular person. Yeah. Because you do, because we two regular people. Yeah, but you are kind of scrappy.

SPEAKER_05 41:41

You kinda scrappy nigga.

SPEAKER_04 41:49

I just want to be no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 41:52

Because, okay, so I wanna, I wanna, so you, so, so you, you love, you love rapping.

SPEAKER_02 41:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 41:59

Yes. I love it, I love it.

SPEAKER_02 42:03

Yes, yes, I love it. I love it.

SPEAKER_05 42:04

You love it so much, like, okay, so I want I want to talk about this this podcast that you tried to start, or this this conversation you tried to have with Lupe and Royce and Ransom and RJ got involved. Yes. And um, from my perspective, Ron, you could give your own perspective. Um, what sets you off, because you ended up making some records about Royce, and what sets you off from my perspective was you was upset that he was weighing in on a conversation of who was best, but he didn't want to rap about who was best. Is that accurate? Get in the ring and shut the fuck up. That was Lupe. That was it, yeah. That was Lupe, right? That was Lupe.

SPEAKER_02 42:43

Um Shout to Lupe, that's my bro. Uh for me, it was. I'm always down to rap. And I obviously. Yes. And I just felt like, I felt like after Royce and Lupe had their thing, you know, Royce was um, he was just kind of condescending to me. And I felt like, you know, even though he has accomplished so much and he's he's such a talented MC. Yeah, he is. You know, I feel like we're we're there's still we're still peers, man. Like I, you know, there's a respect that I have for Talib and and vice versa. But we're peers. You know, I might not have the hit records, but it's the same thing that Jay said, yo, I would be Talib Quali. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like it's that respect level. And I felt like in that moment, we was around the bitches and he was he was wilding. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Like I like that analogy. Because it was 10,000 people on the live, and he was him and Joe was getting crazy on me. And I was like, I this, you know, I I can recite some Royce versus Battle.

SPEAKER_05 43:46

I saw an interview you did after you dropped those records, and you was putting respect on his name. So I know I knew it wasn't personal.

SPEAKER_02 43:53

It was never personal. I I it's it's I'm from the Bronx, it's competition. And you know, I just had to, I just had to. Do that. So I, you know, I was like, well, if I'm gonna do this, how is it gonna make a mark? And I was like, oh, I gotta rap like ransom and I gotta rap like Roy, uh RJ Payne.

SPEAKER_01 44:08

Damn, ransom and RJ Payne is a pain.

SPEAKER_02 44:12

And rap like them. And rap like them. And then I was like, okay, well, now after I did after I wrote those, I was like, okay, what else can I do? I was like, ah, I'm gonna rap like Royce. And then I started rapping like Royce. And then you did the Jada Kiss, the glitching shit. The glitch, the check in boxes. Yes, I did check in boxes. Yeah. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Yeah, that shit was wild.

SPEAKER_04 44:34

Yeah. As soon as I said everything that New York niggas say, Bronx niggas be wild. Yeah, man. He definitely went off. Bronx keep on taking it. I had that, it was all respect. Thank you.

SPEAKER_05 44:47

Yeah, man. Um shout out to Lupe, too. Like you, you have, you have always, you're known to step up when it's time to defend Lupe.

SPEAKER_02 44:56

Yes. Oh, yes, that's bro, man. Like uh, you know, he's probably one of the few cosigns that I had early on in my career. Uh, you know, we've seen the world together the same way, you know, you and Seth, you know, we've toured multiple times, Japan, you know, all over, you know. And you know, he helped me with the idea of Pendulum Inc. I helped him start Sosa, you know, me, him, and Chino XL and Nikki Jean, you know, rest in peace. You know, you know, we we would talk every day. I would talk, me and Chino would talk every day with Lupe, you know what I'm saying? So um you know, that's my guy. And I'm a you know, same way for anybody. I would defend him. Um, but it just it just got out of hand, and you know, shout out to Royce, uh, you know, he's still one of the greatest. It doesn't matter what this record I dropped on him, he's still an incredible MC, and I can't wait to see what he has coming up next.

SPEAKER_05 45:47

Yeah, man, yeah, man. Shout out to Royce. Um let me ask you this. Speaking of that conversation about well, who's the best and what it takes to be the best, Tef Poe called me the other day. He said, Yo, did you hear what J. Cole said? I was like, what'd Jay Cole say? He said, he said that he's not the best. And he's and I said, okay. And what else he said? Nothing. He was like, no, nigga, yo, he said he's not.

SPEAKER_00 46:14

This is my framework for it.

SPEAKER_05 46:15

He said, he said, yo, J. Cole said he's not the best.

SPEAKER_00 46:17

That's my framework. And I fuck with a lot of niggas in Dreamville. So let me say it like this. I am shocked at the campaign, and you probably see it different than I see it. Because for me, this is a at the time of the J. Cole Best Rapper Alive campaign, I was waiting to chill, chill, chill, stuff.

SPEAKER_02 46:44

Let me get it out. Chill, dude, chill, bitch.

SPEAKER_00 46:48

I was waiting to see what my fucking vote was gonna be. Okay, okay, okay. You feel what I'm saying? Yes. And I'm tapped in. I'm in I'm I'm into modern day cutting-edge hip hop. Right. So I'm watching this shit go down, I'm listening to the features. Right, right, right. I'm in the midst of this shit, right? Right, right, right. And I could tell you what bars might have been for certain people or might not have been for certain people, right? I listen to interviews where people he collab with say, Yeah, I don't think that's for none of us down here, that's for somebody up there. Correct. Right? Then when we get to a certain point in the discourse, it's hurtful for me as a non-East Coast nigga, as a non-West Coast nigga. I need you, bro. Right in the Midwest, right? You joined it. I got you. I had to. You and you get to this point, it's a concourse for power, and it's like, yeah, I'm kind of just chilling, bro. What was all of that, dang? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 47:46

So I sent Seth a video. There's a video that a kid made, this shit was fucking hilarious, right? Sorry. Right? He was a video was that said it was like J. Cole, J. Cole fans be like, like J.

SPEAKER_04 47:57

Cole, right?

SPEAKER_05 47:57

Oh, right. Right. And it's about, he was like, yo, J. Cole, just he's trying to force niggas to listen to the album and shit. And the niggas was like, it's cool. He's like, yo, you know what I'm saying? It was it was funny. And um, because I sent it to him because we we in a group chat where everybody grew up. He's like, yo, this J. Cole shit is fire. J. Cole shit. I said, I said, yeah, I said, that shit is cool, that shit is dope. But that mixtape shit, where he was rhyming on the locks, that shit was. And he said, what he said, I said, yeah, J. Cole, he dropped a clue tape. I sent him that. He said, oh, this fire. So I sent him the the video. I said, You sound like one of these thinkers. Right? But I say that to say that that conversation about the big three or whatever, right? It's really about the fans from my perspective. First of all, like you said, the perspective, first of all, all these niggas is younger than me. So that changes the perspective. They came in the game after me.

SPEAKER_03 48:47

Right.

SPEAKER_05 48:47

I think I would look at it differently if it was like Rakim and KRS going through this. I'd be like, no, we got to decide who's better. You know what I'm saying? Right. But these guys, I'm like, I like them all. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Hey man, the kids are alright. Let the kids alright. Like, you know what I'm saying? So when I when J. Cole, I said, look, I gotta see, he said, niggas is mad. And I went on the internet and niggas was mad. I didn't I didn't click on none of the videos, but I seen the headline. Oh, J. Cole, another internet fail, and he should just shut up and this, and I was like, what the fuck? So I clicked on the video. I watched it, and what the nigga had to say, do I walk around thinking I'm the best when then a nigga like black don't walk around? And everything's that quote. That's how I be feeling.

SPEAKER_00 49:26

I respect the quote. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 49:28

And I was like, yo, people just didn't want him to pull behind the curtain. I respect that. He said, when I get in the booth, I put on that rap cape and I, you know, I'm go at niggas and I try to be the best. But I think all of us as grown men, and we all experience talked about uh uh we all talked about how our egos have led us in the bit in this business. But as grown men, we all are we all also talk about the ego death. That's a term that comes up a lot on this podcast with the age of the people we talk about, and how we are at an age where we're like, is competition healthy like that? Is the way that we've been, you know what I'm saying? I'm not gonna be able to. Like, obviously, competition is a part of hip hop, that can't be denied. You know what I'm saying? It's a part of the art form, and it got us to the only reason I could talk like that is because I've been through it.

SPEAKER_04 50:08

I think maybe he's too young to have ego death, and they expect him to be like, nah, I'm still the best. Nigga, you because no, because they've been arguing with their homeboys.

SPEAKER_05 50:17

Drake is, no, uh, J. Cole's the best, and they be like, nigga, no, Kenny's the best.

SPEAKER_04 50:22

Drake is the best.

SPEAKER_05 50:23

And they've been arguing with their homeboys, and their homeboys have been telling them they're crazy. And not only does this nigga apologize to the nigga, they say he's the best. He said, I'm not the best. But he said, I'm also not the best. So now they feel like they lost the argument.

SPEAKER_02 50:33

They did lose the argument. They did lose the arguments. They did lose the argument. But argument already. But cold, but cold, but cold, you gotta remember, we are descendants of where we birthed from. So KRS was a was an MC who went at MCs. And I'm from that. Right? Kendrick is from the Ice Cube NW. He's scrappy too. The game. So that's in that's in his DNA. Because he just feels like saying something. Drake openly said, yo, I'm I grew up on Smack DVDs. So that's in his Drake never backed down from no MC. Win or lose. Like Cole doesn't have that. He has Pete Pablo, he got Fante, respect to both MCs, but those are not confrontational MCs. So he doesn't have that kind of, and he might have looked up to J or whatever, but he doesn't have that DNA, that hip-hop DNA, respectfully. So that's the reason why we're seeing what we're seeing.

SPEAKER_05 51:42

When I was having my conversations with him, he really just thought it was fun and entertainment. Right.

SPEAKER_02 51:47

When I was having my conversations with Ransom and Royce and Lupe, I would constantly say trying to be the best is a futile dream. Because you'll never be the best. It's never, you'll never be that. And when and shout out to Ransom, I love Ransom so much. Whenever these lists drop, I text them. I'll be like, see, see, you should be number one. But they keep overlooking you. You're gonna fight this fight for what? It's it's it's futile. At any given moment, there's something that Lupe said, at any given moment, you can be the best MC that day. So when I when me and Royce went at it, I was the best MC for that particular day. Moose might drop a record and it might reverberate through the culture. He is the best MC for that particular day.

SPEAKER_00 52:43

Right before you got here.

SPEAKER_02 52:44

Because I heard you say that I heard you say that in a lot of verses.

SPEAKER_00 52:47

I have a similar philosophy about a lot of shit that you had. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so it's like.

SPEAKER_02 52:51

Yeah, Jada, when Jada did that, he was the best. No, you can't until somebody else takes that moment from him in the in in that timeline. Actually, what's funny about that is I dropped Wraith against Royce in that time frame, I was the best. And then that happened. Versus happened. And that he took that from me at that moment. So that's how it goes in my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 53:16

It was good moments for hip-hop, man.

SPEAKER_00 53:19

Absolutely. Speaking of moose, man, your name is starting to precede your reputation. Um I come from the STL. I wasn't as recognized recognizing you facially, but I have heard the name and heard some of the music and stuff. Nah, I appreciate it, man. How does it feel to be in a rising star position right now?

SPEAKER_01 53:37

Shit, it feels good, because you know, it's like the people I came up listening to, now they all like fuck with me. So, like as a fan, it's like, damn, I was listening to this dude like every other day. Or I seen him on the vlog, I seen him on the freshman cover, and it's like when I get the props from the people and I meet them, it's like yo, I'm on the right, you know what I mean? I'm doing the right thing. Like, ain't a lot of people like I got a song with rapping with Pete Rock, like it looked, and I'm like new in this shit, so it's like to get those kind of cold signs from like that era, it means a lot, you feel me?

SPEAKER_05 54:09

How'd you look up with Knife Winter?

SPEAKER_01 54:11

That that music is um Knife, I think Crisis like had put Knife on to one of my crisis. Crisis that moved to California. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Holly Hollywood crisis. Hollywood crisis is crazy. Um, and then at the same time, his daughter was putting night, like um Knight's daughter was telling him about me. So it was like crisis and his daughter. So Knife was like, let me check him out. He hit me on the gram. I thought it was like a fake account at first. I'm like, man, this ain't ninth one. I told him, Yo, call me real quick, man. He called me, and then the rest was like history and shit.

SPEAKER_05 54:45

I keep hearing these stories in hip-hop. That's a familiar story in hip-hop. Yeah, right. You ain't such a shit.

SPEAKER_00 54:52

Yeah, Scarface. That's a familiar hair. He hit me on uh Twitter. Uh sent me his number. I called the number the first time a Mexican dude hit it, it picked it up because I dobbed the wrong number out of excitement. Couldn't believe some Scarface.

SPEAKER_07 55:05

Oh my god, Facebook!

SPEAKER_00 55:06

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 55:08

He's like, no, so something that's real.

SPEAKER_01 55:12

Yeah, even Planet Asia, that's the big bro. Like, he took a liking to me. He be introducing me and putting me onto a lot of, you know what I mean? He done he introduced me to Splash, you feel me? And then fucking with Splash, I learned how to do this shit independent, you feel me? So not the special.

SPEAKER_04 55:27

That's what's up, you know. These old niggas hate your waves and all that, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:32

I was like, I got the secret sauce. I like his music, but this is size. I fuck with you. Nah, bad, you know, even um Kwa Lee, you know, legendary shit. So I'm just happy to be here, you soon. Super, super. No, I'm happy to have y'all here, man.

SPEAKER_05 55:51

And um, you know, it's all these New Yorkers against this one St. Louis. And uh this is like a this is like an inverse of what happened on Math Hoffer's show. What happened on Matt Hoffer show? Matt Hoffer brought up uh a bunch of dudes who didn't like me. Right. And they sat around and had a pow-wow about how much they didn't like me. Somebody hit on like Math? No, no, I'm talking about. They ain't like who? They didn't like Matt. I know they like you, right? No, they ain't like me. So, so uh, so this is how that starts. You know, I'm scrappy on Instagram when I used to be on Instagram. Right. And um I I made an anti-Trump post as I'm normal known to do. And a dude from St. Louis hit me. Um, Black Wall Street Challenge, I think was the name of the account. Oh, yeah. And him he was upset. Um, he didn't outright, he didn't curse me out. He was like, he wasn't like, fuck you or nothing. He was like, yo, I just feel like you be going too hard with Trump and the Democrats is just as bad for black people. Right. And this and that, and that and it. And my response was probably something like, shut the fuck up.

SPEAKER_04 56:53

His his response is it don't it's not it's number not shut the fuck up, right? It's it's it's more nuanced than that. It'd be like, um, here are these facts, and if you don't I don't even think I gave him all that. You be like this, you'd be like this. No, you know what I you know. You align with nothing.

SPEAKER_05 57:07

Let me be let me be let me let me be accurate. I think I remember the exact response. I was like, bro, if you want to be magger, just say that. Right, that kind of shit right there. Right, right there. You align with that. Let me be accurate about the story. If you want to be magger, just say that. Right. And he didn't like that. And so he begins to troll me and we get in an argument, and then he starts doing he started doing walk-in videos. He would be walking in the morning talking about how he didn't like me.

SPEAKER_03 57:30

Right.

SPEAKER_05 57:31

Um, everything else on his page was he was supporting black business in St. Louis. So his whole page was, here's me, support this black business here, support this black business here. By the way, fuck Tyler Kwali. You know, that was the concept of his page. So I was like, it was weird. And then after like a week of that, he starts tagging rappers from St. Louis. Right. He tagged uh uh Ali. He tagged uh he tagged Tori Russell, he tagged uh um he tagged A Verb. Now A Verb, I wasn't familiar with A-Verb at all.

SPEAKER_03 58:06

Right.

SPEAKER_05 58:07

You know, to me, battle, I don't I know battle rap, but you know, as far as the Midwest movement, I don't know any of this. I had heard the name, but I wasn't, I didn't know he was from St. Louis. I wasn't familiar with the pedigree at all.

SPEAKER_03 58:19

Right.

SPEAKER_05 58:19

Um, and I said something, and this is how it starts. I said, man, these rappers ain't gonna have your back. Why are you tagging rappers? Boy, was I wrong. Because the next day, that same dude, which I later found out was connected to A-Verb. This is his homeboy.

SPEAKER_03 58:37

Right.

SPEAKER_05 58:38

Same dude made a video, and him and Averb was talking shit about me. And so me not still not knowing he's a battle rapper or none, not knowing anything about him, I'm just like. Whatever, fuck it. Yeah, who the fuck are you talking about? So then he starts making videos daily. We start going back and forth. And then I see a video, they post a video of them filming themselves with Matt Hoffa show. Now, me and Matha is me, Matt Matha. Matha. Matha. Math Hoffa. That's a shortcut. He introduced me to Matth. Okay. Like when I I have a website, qualityclub.com, it was built by Ryan Leslie. Ryan Leslie's a genius. Ryan Leslie came over to my house, and Math was wanted to get more into online shit.

SPEAKER_03 59:23

Right.

SPEAKER_05 59:23

We we had a meeting with Ryan Leslie. This is how I met Mav. Um and uh me and Math have been cool, and I did his show. So I was able to call him, I'm like, what's going on with this? You got all these dudes, and he had like Champ on there, who I didn't know, I didn't know anything about Champ. Right. And he had Sway Sever from uh who's down with Team Homie, Team Homie and all that, and they was down with another rapper that I had an issue with, Diabolic. Right? So I'm watching it, and the dude is like, yeah, qualie, he just be bullying people on Instagram. I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah, I'll be bullying people. And Sway Sever told his diabolic story, and Champ was like, I didn't like how Quali walked by me at the roots picnic. And I was like, What the what is going on here? You be just walking by niggas at Roots Picnic, wildly disrespectful. So that was really that was really the gist of it. Like, Averb jumped into some shit that his man started with me.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:19

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:20

And then it was just, it got real ugly. Yeah. But then you had the battle with him.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:27

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:27

And I didn't understand the context of where that even came from.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:31

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:32

Seth is telling the truth. When I say, yeah, Mickey got some shit with him. And then you had the bar with my name in it, which I appreciated. Now I watched that battle. There wasn't no crowd in that battle.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:41

No crowd.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:41

Right? So I wasn't able to ascertain who won or lost. I didn't watch enough of it to be like, to sit there and be like, ooh, I felt like you won. Oh no, he won. Okay, but I'm I'm gonna state my bias. From what I understand about Averb, he's won some battles, he's lost some battles. He gets respect for starting the Midwest movement. Yes. Let me put respect on that. Right. Right? Because I'm not here to shit on niggas for no reason. I'm here to tell the truth. Right. You know what I'm saying? Um when I saw that, I was like, I was just happy that you said my name and somebody was representing. I felt like, okay, I can let it go. Mickey on it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's how I felt about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:20

I mean, when I was putting it together, you know, it was like either in the midst or the tail end of everything. And I was like, I'm a rep. You know? But what's the issue with you and him? We didn't have an issue. We so he called, so the battle, he, him and ARP, shout out to ARP from RBE. They called me and was like they wanted to do the battle. So I was like, all right, I'll do the battle. So I I did the battle, and we were still cool before and after it. Him and Jay Mills, shout out to Jay Mills. Shout out to Jay Mills. That's my guy as well. Jay Mills and Rob Browns are here jumping next. They jumping next. So he so he said he was gonna shoot at Jay Mills. And then he said he was gonna break Jay Mills' jaw lyrically. So me being who I am, I instigated it. Like, well, we waiting. Here we go. I wanna, because I love rap. So I'm gonna see it. I wanna see it. So, you know, Verb is telling me, I know you ever know me to miss a deadline. The deadline was December 31st. He said, I'm gonna drop before the year's over. December 31st came and went, he ain't dropped. So I just let it go. And then he paid another rapper to diss me. He paid a rapper from Chicago. You could do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:36

I'm gonna start doing it.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:37

So when they verb. So he paid, he paid, he paid a Chicago rapper named Trufo to diss me.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:44

Now that I'm gonna start doing that.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:47

And um, you know, I was I was I was angry about that. Wait, okay. He really paid for 40 people.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:00

I got a logical question. I've heard that Averb got ghostwriters, which I think is crazy for me as an outsider battle rap culture to hear without context. You know what I'm saying? Okay. Okay, like okay, you got that sounds weird. All right. Every time I hear niggas dissing him, they talk about how broke he is, how he lives in an apartment. How he got money to be paying ghostwriters and niggas to be dissing niggas? How were you getting this brand from?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:20

From battles. Battles. Okay. And and and probably living off women, they're probably giving him some money. So he paid this guy. Whoa, whoa, whoa. So listen, he paid he paid this guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:29

See, now you got my now, yeah. No, because he just threw this slight jab real fast shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:34

Ha! So so so he paid this guy to diss me. And I was angry about that, because it's like, I don't, I don't want to do this. The last time I had dissed somebody, you know, again, was Royce, and I I didn't really, I don't really like shit like that. But I'm from the Bronx. So if if you say my name, it's up. I think that's what every MC. And lo and behold, Trufo, he did. So I said, okay. In 16 hours, I did three records and I released it over seven days. It's the plague. No, that this was just for TrueFoe. Oh, for Trufo, okay. So I said, if anybody diss me. You're somewhat of an overachiever. Yes. If I said, if anybody disses me, I said, if anybody disses me, I'm going at verb. Because you start in this, and I don't want to do this. So I cleaned up Trufo and then accidentally on live, I was on YouTube Live. I was like, yo, I'm gonna drop seven days on this nigga. And somebody clipped it up and put it out. So now the clock is. Now you had to do it now.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:39

Now I had to do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:41

So I was like, ah, fuck. So after I cleaned up TrueFo, I started putting together the seven-day plague, and I wrote it in three days. While you was doing your taxes. I was doing my taxes.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:53

As we said on the record.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:54

I was doing my taxes.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:55

I was doing my taxes.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:56

Because you know, the sending out an email. The deadline was the 31st. Yes, the deadline was the 31st. Yeah. And I had to go to El Paso on the 28th. So I was putting it together while I was in Texas. I was done. I recorded like I recorded Shutter Island and Ungbok in Texas. Yeah, but first of all, pause right there. Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:15

Umbak. Yeah, no, yeah. Sure, wait, let's start there. What the fuck? It has no business being that good, bro. A song about another man has no business being that good. Um, this is a nigga I really don't like. Like, I really don't like this nigga. And I feel like this is over here.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:33

Yeah, yeah. Ungbok.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:35

Well, what the fuck with that song?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:37

Ungbok was uh, you know, I don't get a chance to really kind of do that on a record. I do that on the radio stations.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:46

That was like a flex freestyle type shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:48

Yeah, and I was like, I could get I could get to do this on this record. Oh, I'm gonna, I'ma get jiggy. And uh I just wrote it and I was writing it in between doing ciphers in El Paso. The performance. I like the way his bronx just came out. He said, I'ma get jiggy. I'ma get jiggy. I'ma get jiggy. And you know, I just, you know, I was in the midst of sending the lyrics, sending the music to uh Indians out in Fiverr while I was writing and recording and doing my own edits of the video. It was just the it was just madness. And um, you know, at the end of the day, you know, I also saw what was going on with YouTube, and I was seeing how I was how much money I was making on YouTube. You know, um I shout out to Soul Spasm. We got a great uh RPM $30 every thousand views. So I was like, oh, if I could I could get I could get crazy. I can make some money dissing this nigga. So I was like, let me, I'm really gonna drop the seven days. This nigga is truly lost.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:53

And so now we learn the full spectrum and the full cause of his vitriol against capitalism.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:59

Yes, capitalism. It's all capitalism. It's $30 for a thousand views, is what she's worth. But I knew, I knew, I knew it was hitting when it was niggas hitting me. It was a lot of people hitting me. The music is really good, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:11

Yo, yeah, no, I'm crazy. And the whole album, you gotta you gotta RB this song. I never heard this in my life. I can listen to this.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:19

You gotta song this nigga, and a nigga come in like, oh yeah, I mean, you know, I again I did that shit in three days. I didn't it didn't take me no longer than three days. And you know, when I was dissing True Faux, he was going in spaces on Twitter talking about me, saying I was gay and doing this, and I was what's what's up with spaces and battle rappers?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:40

Who else be there?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:41

Everybody battle rapper.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:42

Everybody, everybody battle rappers. Everybody except for except for middles, loves and moves. Right, and everybody just be, you know, them, you know, it's it's the it's the it's the it's their black planet, black page, yeah, it's they're staying, that's what they use. Okay for them. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:58

Yeah, I mean they got something.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:01

No, listen, that sounds like a real community. The battle rack community is so tight knit. Right, it's it's extremely tight knit. Don't ever make the mistake that they don't got a lot of love.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:11

They got they got a love for each other. Yeah. But I I felt like you, if you disrespect me, then I'm gonna take it there. And they love it. All right, so now you do the song The Letter Letter from Hitman's Letter from Hitman. Shout out to Hitman.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:23

And then you get Hitman on the remix. Yes, bro. I'm not a fan of being petty. Right. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_07 1:08:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:30

But petty is petty does. Yeah, he is petty. I mean, if you gonna do it, you might as well do it. I mean, bro, what do what you doing on here?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:42

Yo, it was a part of so okay, so let me Sally, let me let me let me break it down. Once once I said I was gonna do seven records, I knew that each record could not sound the same. Yeah, yeah. So I was like, let me break down different facets of who he is. Let me mentally break them down with Shutter Island, let me lyrically break them down with verbalize and on Bach. Let me psych uh let me uh uh uh method rap as Hitman. Rap from the perspective of Hitman. He had a group called The Set. Let me do a song with all words with Set in it. Then I was like, yo, let me let me do this RB record called Accolades. You know, let me do this accolades record. We talking about our different accolades. Then let me break him down, he's a snake. Genesis 3.14. So by the time Hitman heard, Hitman heard a letter from Hitman when I dropped Shutter Island, that was the second disc. And he DM'd me like, yo, I gotta be. I gotta send me the instrumental. So I sent him the instrumental. I think I sent him the instrumental like on day five, day six. And he wrote, he wrote what he wrote, he sent it back to me. I wrote what I wrote, recorded it. We shot the video the next day. Very next day, because it was day eight that you know we wanted to put it out. And he got it done. You know, and and and hitman was like, yo, I love this. He was like, You the first person that ever really kind of hurt him. Because he's been terrorizing niggas for so long. I was like, the reason why I was able to hurt him is because y'all battling. And and when he's attacking a Talib, or he's t attacking, you know, uh this one or that one, or Smack and B's. It's just words, but music lasts forever. And when you drop day after day after day, it felt like a Netflix series. So Talib hit me. I did.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:41

Where's where's where's the camera at? So the people, hi. Um, I know he said that really, really eloquently, but he just really, in a few words, said, I figured out a way to beat this nigga up seven ways. I did. I just wanted to beat him up seven different ways. Eight different ways. Eight different ways.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:58

Seven in a remix? Yeah, seven in a remix. And you know, Talib hit me like, get him. I think that's all you said. You just yo get him. Oh, so you are out here like and I getting rappers to get out of here. Yo, when I got the because you know, I I I periodically check on Talib. Because I don't see him online no more. So I'd be like, yo, I'm just checking in on you, bro. Just make sure you're good. I'm just checking in on you, see you good. So to get a Talib text, I was like, oh my nigga. I said, oh, this is head. Because this nigga, I haven't seen or heard from my nigga in a long time. I was happy as fuck. I was like, oh, nigga, Tyler, get him. And then we had a full conversation. I'm like, oh, my nigga's back. Right? I was like, don't worry, it's gonna get worse and worse and worse and worse. And it got worse and worse and worse and worse. And then I wasn't satisfied. After the hitman record, I wasn't satisfied. Right now, you gotta do this after that. I wasn't satisfied. I was still mad because he was talking about me every day. So I was like, you know what? I got the, I got this ghostwriting shit. Let me just just put this shit out in spaces. The first and only time I ever did spaces. I started a space and I said, yo, this nigga got ghostwriters. And for the last two months, this shit has been bananas. And that was a part of the play. That was plague nine and ten. Matter of fact, Danger and and and KD and KD just, yeah. So the two ghostwriters that helped Verb, and I hosted the battle.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:30

I know, which you see now back to the levels of Petty. Petty, right. You know what I'm saying? Gotta be pulling. Gotta be paying.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:38

I said, I watched that battle, I said, this is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:42

Now, this is this the way that y'all, y'all kind of talked about the fact that he had the Ghost Riders, but it it was like alluded to. It was like, it was like it was talked around. Y'all talked around it. Was that uh on purpose?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:55

Nah, I put the information out.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:57

Yeah, I heard you put the group chatter out a bunch of. Yeah, yeah, I did all of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm talking about in the battle. Oh the way that they was addressing it. Yeah, yeah, I didn't think. You gotta protect me and him were still cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:09

You know what I'm saying? Me and Virg were still cool at that time, you know what I'm saying? Because he hadn't crossed the line. I feel like, again, I'm from the Bronx. And hip-hop, it's just a different feel with hip-hop, you know what I'm saying, in the Bronx. And and no, you know, I got love for St. Louis, shout out to Tef Paul. But you pay somebody to diss me, like, it's like, what? Like, no, man, we don't play those type of games, man. I'm a he sent the he sent a a hired hit. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's like, like, what? That's like okay, that's like. Right, right. I was mad at that too. So that's like, that's like your cameraman here, shout out to the cameraman. That's like they hear that somebody wants their job. And they got, so they come in to get the job, and they and and and and they got the they got the inside information, and so they're gonna try to take them out. What do you think they gonna do? They gonna beat up the niggas that's trying to get their job, and they're gonna beat up the nigga that sent them the information. That's what I did. That's what we do in New York. Like, what are you talking about? I zipped up the nigga that tried to say something to me, and then I went straight for the nigga that paid him and cleaned him up. He went straight to the bronx.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:24

That nigga sounded like a bronze nigga right there.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:27

That was and cleaned him up. I cleaned him up. And and you know, again, I I just don't I just don't play these games.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:36

Bring it back to these games, man. Bring it back to Woosar. So let's now let's bring it back to Woosar. Mickey, this is an amazing album. And if I didn't know that you had beef with Averb, I'm gonna I'm gonna put my bias on the table. I I liked it because I don't like Averb. But beyond that, I think even if it wasn't just about one dude, it's still an incredible piece of um, it's it's really it really sounds good. The beats are great. Um uh Conjure, is that right? Who did the beats?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:02

Uh shout out to uh uh my man illegal. Shout out to Illegal on the beats. He did he did verbalize, uh shout out to uh Batman, he did accolades, uh shout out to uh my man Boy Yannel, he did Genesis 314.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:15

It's just you know, okay, yeah, the beats is is is dope, but uh let me let me ask you this. The fact that you could put that much energy into making a piece of music that's that good about this one dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:30

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:31

I want to hear Mickey Facts make that album, but on some super, super, super conscious shit. You know what I'm saying? Super conscious. I don't know, you couldn't. You pick super, super conscious. Super tunes, super. Super, super. You picked a topic. It could be, you know, whatever topic that's on your that's on your heart. Right. But something that, like, the fact that when I heard this, I'm like, man, as good as this is, what if Mickey was rapping about like anything else? You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:56

Besides this fucking.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:57

Besides this fucking. I'm gonna be familiar with you. It's phenomenal rapping, but in the get in the geographical gangbanging quest, even though I'm not rocking fully with the Averb uh mission, I can't like the facts album that much. I know, because you dropped the news on the whole fucking time.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:17

And I'm like, damn, nigga, this shit good. I gotta look at the St. Louis show.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:20

I was about to say, yeah, no, make sure get that out of this. Tell him right now. Shout out to St. Louis. I love St. Louis. Shout out to St. St. L.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:27

But it's like, it is sad for me to see the demise of the Midwest fucking movement go down like that. And he's showing love. He got Hitman on there. In the streets, niggas fuck with Hitman the long, the long way. Don't even make no misconception about it. But um it's sad to see these like our heroes at home. You know what I'm saying? Like, I know we stop, we stop. Like, I know, I know, I know, but I know. With the leading stuff, I was already in a fucked up position when he started going to my mask, because we already had to weather that on the ground with some behind the scenes shit. Yeah, but he started it too.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:04

I should have asked, how was it? Because I mean, at this point, I didn't have the form of the political.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:13

So look, look, look. I do a show, I do a show in St. Louis, right? And um had Juju with me.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:19

Okay. Right? So I was the Juju.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:22

Right?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:23

No, no.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:25

You came to this show, right? This show in St. Louis. Um, Tori Russell came to the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was at the little um jazz club there. So it was City Winery. City Winery, you know, sit down, joint, right? And so the dude, the dude who started all this shit, the black Wall Street Challenge dude. Okay. Right? He came? Bro, I'm in my dressing room.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:50

Nah, I mean, what are we doing here? Did he show up to the event, sir? Did he arrive? Did he arrive after the event? Did he did he trespass on the premises? Was he there? No, was he? No, that was crazy. That was my I apologize, sir.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:16

So he shows up, right? He walks in my dressing room. Wow. Right? And I was like, uh what the fuck you doing in my dressing room? And he was like, hey man, I'm just here to clear the air. I was like, that's not, that's this is not the way I had just finished doing the show. Right? Oh, just after the show. I did the show. Sweating, sweaty, sweaty, tonight. Walk in the dressing room. Now, my the way I do my show, they calling for encore. Right. Right? So I'm expecting that the encore sweaty. He comes, he said, I'm just trying to clear the air. I said, that's not how you, this is not how you do it. I said, who even how the fuck did you get in? I said, I said, you know what, bro? I said, you're not welcome to be here. I said, matter of fact, and I as I'm talking to him, I'm getting more upset.

unknown 1:19:07

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:07

You know what I'm saying? Right, right. And um I'm like, matter of fact, I feel like I'm being very gracious for even the way I'm dealing with you right now. You know what I'm saying? Because he has said some real threatening shit to me. Right. You know what I'm saying? And um I walked past him to go chan, Kuali, which is not good. It's not good for you to be mad at a nigga. And as a crowd chanting. No, no, because they make your ego go to the roof. You know what I'm saying? So I walked out there and I started to do the song, and I changed my mind. And I told the story. I said, you know what? There's a nigga bastard.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:50

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:53

Oh, you ready? You know what? And he came, he was already in the audience by that point. And as I'm telling the story, he walks up and he's walking up trying to rebuke the story. But I got the microphone. Right. Right? And I'm like, if you come any closer, I'm kicking you in your face. You know what I'm saying? And he's taping. He's got his phone out. He's like, that's all right, I'm getting all this on tape. You know what I'm saying? And then after he got, they kicked him out the building. And then after all that, I went on his Instagram page and I seen that he had he had been live streaming from the time he left the crib. Wow. And I seen all the videos, he was like, yo, Quali think he could just pull up in my city. We're gonna pull up, we're gonna let this nigga know when this is. His energy on the gram was very aggressive. But when he came in my dress room, he was very caught. Was he taping? He wasn't taping when he came in the room. Wow. And it was just, I'm just trying to clear the air. But I when he said that, I didn't, I wasn't like, okay, brother, what I was like, no, because his energy was still wrong.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:48

But when I went back and looked at the earlier, no, his energy was he was gonna try to flip the script on him and say, because he was aggressive. So when he finally edited it and put it all out, you would have probably he was thinking that you was gonna be like, oh yeah, yeah, it's all good.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:04

Now that's God, because I would have gone to jail. That's why I didn't bring you for Juju.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:10

So Juju's a little bit more level headed.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:13

Did many two in the dress room and I don't know you?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:15

We got so many, he knows this, man. We'll never let nothing happen to dog in St. Louis.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:19

And Tech was there that night and we we we had we had a long, we had a good, we had a good night that night, actually. We had some good conversations. That was that was ended up being a good night.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:28

Man, shout out Jule, man. Shout out Big Jule. Julie, Julie, everybody knows who Jule is if you're in the MC community. Yeah. That's one phone call away, one of them.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:37

Shout out Julie. OG. Don't nothing else need to be said. That's it. Shout out Juli. I take that.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:41

Yeah. The Tef had you. I like that. But it was a good night. Good night. That's all I'm saying. I love that. I love that.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:46

And I can't wait to come back.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:47

That part.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:48

Yeah. That's a D man.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:50

So I just got a question, you know, because you out here ruining people's rap careers, and goods out here selling fake sneakers. And you Mills is. He's doing what now? Jay, because Jay Mills is out here ruining rap careers. And you out here doing the same. What is it? I feel like you joined the party on the tail and like, let me show you how to do this the right.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:08

Nah, I mean, I just I got called out, man. Like, I was trying to be a fan. It all goes back to being a fan of the technique, the culture, the art form. And I I just like to be a fan. And it just so happens that I have some sort of celebrity attached to me. And I'm realizing that I can't say what I want to say because people take offense to it. You know what I'm saying? Because now I'm involved with this rum-nitty thing. And I don't want to be involved with the rum-nitty thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:39

You did come out and make that song off the couple of things.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:41

So no, but the song, okay, so okay, so Tyler, this is what this is what happened. Him and Jay Mills had a thing. And me and King Los got on live, and I was like, yo, and I only said this because he went on Flex ROM and he was offbeat on Flex. Correct. So I was like, yo, I don't know if Rum Nitty could do this because I saw what he was on Flex. Flex is the biggest platform for freestyling at the time. Okay. That's right. So so Nitty saw that and decided that he wanted to shoot at me. And that's the reason why I dropped the record. I did not, I don't want to be dissing niggas. I don't want to niggas think I'm I'm I want to diss.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:20

So when you say that he was off beat on the record on flex, and you and you say correct, I didn't see this. Right. That sounds like a diss to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:28

Now, if we were saying He admitted he was on the head. He knows he knew he heard it. This is facts. This is facts. It's facts.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:35

It's facts. I'm gonna show it to you when we get off. This is what I'm saying. I want to thank you because I like Rum Nitty. Love him. I didn't know about him until I heard your record. Because I'm not a I'm not following battle rap like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:52

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:53

So when I see you shooing at him, it made me want to be like, who is this? And it put me in, I got familiar with him as an artist. I'ma say this as try to say this as respectfully as I can. Because I have so much respect for what battle rappers do. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Um it's a high-level genius level skill, and I think that's why you fuck with it to the degree you do. I could I I'm not saying I can't do it. I I am not willing at this point in my life to put in the time and energy and effort that it takes to be at that high level of performance.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:25

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:26

These guys get out there with no beat.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:28

No beat.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:28

You can't use these lyrics ever again. You're right, and I mean this is like really, really special. Yes. Right? Yes. So I would never take away from it.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:38

But also, I make music for a living. Yeah. And I'm a musician, and I'm a full, complete musician. And as much as respect as I have for that, for me, the reason why I wouldn't, and this is subjective, this is just me. The reason why I wouldn't take my time into that, because that would take time for me being a whole complete musician.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:56

Correct.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:56

Right? And I think what's happening here is if Rum Nitty is respected as he is in the battle rap shit, but he rhymed off beat on the flex show, then what you, you and Jay Mills are showcasing, is this there is a difference between making a song and being a battle rapper.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:12

Very much.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:13

And as much as I have respect for the skill of battle rap, when Aver was coming at me on Spaces, or whatever the fuck he be at, and he's like, um, I'll make a better song than Tyler Quali. How the fuck you know you want? You know what I'm saying? If you want to say that I can't fuck with you in the battle rap space, maybe give me a year or two of practice, and maybe I'll get to your level. But if you coming into my world of making a song, nigga, no. And you got ghostwriters, I'm hearing? Yeah. No. You know what I'm saying? Ain't no way. And I think that's what's happening from my outsider perspective. And I'm a tourist in the culture. I'm not really in it like that when it comes to the battle rap. But from my outsider perspective, y'all are showing that, yeah, okay, but when it's when it's time to make a record, can you make a record? And like you said, the records really last.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:06

And um I heard the um the DNA record that he made. DNA I've been outside? With the one J Mills? DNA never been at DNA. The one he did at, we was talking about it, he was at the Brooklyn Shop House.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:17

Oh, he's talking about Story of Jarvis. Okay, Story Jarvis. Story Jarvis is good.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:21

Yeah, really good.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:21

And it's like, but I I don't, I'm not used to hearing battle rappers make songs. See, and so it's like I liked to hear that. I want I don't want to just like as much respect I got for it, I want to hear some songs. And see, that's why I'm good though.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:34

That Mills and Tom Browse is jumping people. Because a lot of them came out after that and tried to get on this wave, put out the songs, right? But what they don't have is a superducer.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:45

You got Ron Browse's super producer. This is he argued me down about this last time we was in New York. I said. I said it shouldn't have mattered when he got Ron Brown's.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:59

Like I said, did you?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:00

The nigga that took out Hov. But he's taking out everything.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:05

First of all, they shot at Ron Bros. Right, they shot at Ron Bros. They shot at Ron Bros first. And and and he's being, and that's another thing. Oh, he's involved in it too? Yo, listen, they shot at Ron Brown. Him and Jay Mills is listen, between him and Jay Mills, they have slaughtered at least six people. Right, and I think I think I like it. With songs. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:24

But this is this is what I want to say. And I think Talib and everybody that's a musician here can agree with. There's a humility that comes with creating songs. Right? Mainly because you have to be produced. And battle rappers feel like they can do it all on their own. That's what I'm talking about. We have to be produced as artists. We have to be produced. When Talib did Reflection Eternal, he was produced. He was produced by High Tech. When Moose does his records with Knife and Crisis, he's It's produced by Crisis and Knife Wonder. When I'm creating, when I'm creating, I'm produced by my guy Carvo. He's like, yo, this is this is how you gotta do it. These guys going in in the booth and they're just doing whatever they want to do. And that's the difference. That's why the shit is resonating. And you know, again, the first thing I dropped the Rum Lady, that's just, that's just to get people to just know what's going on. What's about to come next? God bless America.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:31

You dropping too much music, man. Shout out to Showrocker.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:35

Shout out to Showrocker.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:36

Shout out to Showrocker. I like that project too, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:38

Yes, sir, yes, sir. Now we got we got more music on the way. Uh I got a project called Delta Slim. Uh shout out to Centers, you know, it's focused around what Delta Slim would be like in 2026. That's on the way. I got another project called uh Standing Room at the Blue Note. That's coming out sometime in July, October, or uh August.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:56

Did you record at the Blue Note, or is that just the name of the Bloombox?

SPEAKER_02 1:28:58

It's just like a live project. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:00

I want to do all the shows at the Blue Note.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:02

We should talk about that because you know I do a lot of shows at the Blue Note.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:05

I would say We should put something together. Specifically for 40 plus people.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:12

Right, people who like uh espresso martinis and shrimp cocktails taking their hip hop.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:16

It's incredible, it's incredible. Um so I got that, and then me and Pete Rock are working on a project. We're gonna record it in Jamaica. Super dark um sometime in September. So I'm very excited about that. And uh, you know Tap in with Max Glazer when you go down there. Okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna make sure to let Pete know. Um, and you know, we got me and Pete got our podcast uh with Tat Wizzer from That's my next question, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:39

I wanted to ask about that podcast, man, because they got a they got a podcast about comics.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:43

Yeah, we only talk about comics. Me, Pete Rock, and Tat Wizzer. Yeah? That's all we talk about is Twitter. Yeah, I'm gonna tap into this.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:50

What did you do at Harvard? Because I was out there too.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:52

Uh NYU, uh Harvard or NYU? NYU.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:54

Which one was you at?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:55

I was teaching at NYU. Okay. So shout out to Black Thought. Uh he's been secretly teaching hip hop courses at NYU for the past three, four years. And he couldn't do it uh last year. And uh my name came up. They were like, yo, we can't get Black Thought, we need to get Mickey Facts. So they hired me. I didn't even do an interview. They just was like, yo, can you come in and do it?

SPEAKER_00 1:30:17

Yeah, I worked at the hip hop archives at Harvard as uh Nasir Jones fellow.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:22

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:22

And a few people up there were speaking about you as if you had just worked there. So I was like, damn, he was just doing it before.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:28

Me and Lupe came up there in 2015, 2016, uh, right when they were starting the Nas Fellowship, because they started it like a year before, and we were we were the um we were the uh uh references for D1. D1, yeah. To get there. Shout out to D1 and whatever.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:45

Um shout out to Jay Rolls, too. You got this record, a cipher in Ohio.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:48

Yeah, yeah, shout out to Jay Royals.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:49

There's some Columbus love on that record. Shout out to all the hip hop academics. Yes, yes, yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:54

Chris Emden, shout out to you, shout out to uh Dr. Krista Effort Emden. Uh the homeboy knowledge. Knowledge. You know, he's uh he he teaches at uh the University of South uh Carolina. Shout out to Shout out to Martha Diaz, the OG.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:09

Martha Diaz. Can't talk about hip hop back at the time. Shout out to Wordsworth doing his thing in Florida. Me and Martha Diaz went to South Africa together with Black August. Wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:20

Yeah, she was at Harvard with me.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:21

Man, you know, I I mean, you know, I just want to say, you know, I'm grateful to be here, you know, because one of my goals was to get on the people podcast and freestyle up there. I I had wrote a freestyle for the people podcast.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:39

You're a welcome guest on this one. This this is more open than the than the People's Party, as you see. Right. You know what I'm saying? You took out one of this nigga's ops, so he got it.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:48

You can open it for anytime. You can pay somebody to get your op. I gotta do that. Then he turned around like this. Get him. You know that like Mike took about and sent him a text message. Get him, get him, get him. Uh, you know. You already done did this.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:07

Uh, you know, again, like this just it's always a pleasure. You know, the same way Mussolini said it, it's an honor to be with people who walked the steps before I got a chance to walk them and to be recognized as a peer. You know, I look at that stuff, I hold that at a high regard, you know, and Talib has always been supportive of me from the moment I got into this space. You know, we did the record with Bum B and Chester French. I mean, shout out to Chester French. Yeah, shout out to my guy Max. Shout out to DA. DA. Um, um, when Paradise came out, and you know, uh Talib brung me out for that. Anytime he was in the city and I'm I'm there, you know, I'd have pulled up on him in Cleveland, I done pulled up on him. I'd be like, yo, Tyler's performing, I'm going to the show, you know what I'm saying? And and the one thing, Ty Leb, he's like, yo, Mickey's in the building, I'm gonna bring him on stage to rhyme. I saw him in Boston, we rhymed on stage. You know, it's just that's what hip hop is about. That's right, like a community, bro. It's a community. Yeah. And we we stick together. And for me, you know, I appreciate that for someone such as himself who's done amazing, incredible things to consistently and constantly uh look out for MCs such as myself, who are on his level or even uh below, and also show love to those who are above. And I look to him as someone, you know, in high regard because that's how I want people to look at myself. You know what I'm saying? I want to be able to have people like, yo, Mick is a stand-up dude. He does what he says he's gonna do. If he's gonna drop a seven-day play, he's gonna drop a seven-day play. If he's gonna come to the show, he's gonna come to the show. If I send him money for a feature, he's gonna get it done. I want to always uphold that standard because there are MCs who I look up to who hold that standard. And I just want to say I appreciate you, Salib. Thank you so much for having me up here. It means the world to me, brother. Thank you so much. Thank you, brother.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:03

Um, I like that black Pro Shops hat. That's his crazy. Oh, yeah, yeah, he made this jacket too. Yeah, I'll be watching the fit, you know what I'm saying? Um I got one more question that pertains to your podcast with Pete Rock. Yes. Shout out to Pete Rock. I once I once shared a tour bus with Pete Rock, and this was before, like, before you could really go on it. This is pre-social media. Right. And Pete Rock used to carry with him on tour, he would have a bunch of DVDs, and half of it is street DVDs, like street tales, or like, like, what was the shit? Like Don D Vidge, just like street DVDs, and cocaine city, all that. Right, cocaine, all that type of shit. Right? All that shit, and every incredible hoax that nigga is the TV show, the the the David Banner joint. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And he would watch them shit over and over again. And we watched old Spider-Man, and it was a Spider-Man. Remember the live action Spider-Man TV show? He had the shit on DVD. Yes. So P Rock really loved this Marvel shit. He loved comic books, but he loved this Marvel shit. So I'm not someone who really read comic books like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:13

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:14

But I love the MCU. Yes. I love what they've done with the films. Yes. And it made me go back and research the comics because I love the film so much. Right. So I want to hear your top five MCU films out of all the MCU films. I want to hear this one. This is very good. Yeah. All right.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:32

I wrote my list before I asked this question. Okay, okay, okay. And you and you got a podcast that you talk comics. You know comics. Oh, yeah, this is what I do.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:39

So now I'll yeah, now I'm I have expectations for this list.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:42

Infinity War. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:43

Infinity War is number two on my list.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:45

Okay. Okay. No way home. No way home. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:49

That would that's a that's a six-man, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:51

It's a six-man for you. Six man. Okay. Black Panther. That's number three on my list. The first one.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:57

The Wakanda Forever, it's not in my top ten. No, I don't know. The first one is right. The first one is arguably the best Marvel movie of all time, depending on my mood. Right. No, you black. It's the best Marvel movie of all time. This is. But if I'm looking subjectively as a film critique.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:13

Right. Okay, I'm not mad at that. Um Win a Soldier. Win a Soldier.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:18

Okay, Win and Soldier is also a six-man for me.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:20

And um, for me personally, it's a tie between Doctor Strange and Civil War.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:27

Okay. Those are great films. For me, it's First Avenger. The first cat. First Avenger is my top of all time. Really? Because I feel like to me, that was that's a movie that could be a movie whether it's a superhero movie or not, and that's hard for a superhero movie to pull off. And that's it's the first Avenger. In the timeline, it starts the whole shit. Right. It's like you don't really, it's like, it's like Godfather 1. It's like Godfather 2 is arguably better, but it's only good because of Godfather 2. So I feel like for me, it's like, and it's like I I kind of put, I kind of put the first Avengers movie there too. That shit is good. That shit was incredible. But I feel like Infinity War is a better movie. Yes, I'm gonna be able to do that. So that makes my second. Okay. Right? My third is Black Panther.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:09

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:10

My fourth is Ragnarok. I really like that movie. Uh Ragnarok because the colors. Niggas, man. It's that bullshit. He goes like it.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:27

If you like it, I love it. That's the kind of shit. He said, if you like it, if you like it, I love it.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:32

Right, right, right. And my fifth is Guardians of the Galaxy. Okay, I guess I can put Guardians of the Galaxy. Go back and revisit Ragnarok.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:41

Listen, I I I've read comic books like really heavy. So as far as the MCU goes, I'm one of the people that, because I read the books, when I see the movie, I'd be kind of like. Yeah, you be one of those. I'm one of the, yeah, because it's not pure to me. So what's your top five? In the Marvel MCU? Yeah, yeah. Uh first of all, it's okay. Here's the honor truth, right? Uh my top goes Black Panther will probably be number one for me, right? Okay. Um, number two is gonna be Miles Morales, Spider-Man. That's number one. That's Sony? That's Sony, that's Sony. Oh man, then fuck y'all lists. No, no, no, you gotta get it going. This is number two. Okay, all right. Uh let's go. Black Panther. Um, I'm gonna go Wandavision. That's a TV show, that's a TV show. That's that's MC show. That's MCU. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. That's the MCU. Wandivision is gonna come in. So you think, hold on, hold on, let me just be let me just be clear here. Yes. I love Wandavision. I just wait, y'all. I do too. I do. You saying that WandaVision? That series is better than most of the movies that they have. It's better than Infinity War. No, I never said it was better than Infinity War. It's still Infinity War is in my top list. But you just said it's number two. It's number two. I like it better than Infinity War. Yes, I do. I do.

unknown 1:38:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:55

I do. I like it better than Infinity War. Wand Division. I like Wand Division better than Infinity Show. I think it's good for a TV show. I do. I think it's for TV. What else for the rational for a TV show? Uh that Daredevil. Which season? Okay, season one. Okay, I'm not mad. I take those, okay. I'm gonna take the series over a lot of the movies. One because it has more nuance and build to it. Alright, cool. So then we can add Luke Cage. Right, right. Luke Cage would have been my sixth man.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:23

Okay, well.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:24

Hold on. Because they fucked up the second season.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:27

You like you like the MCU TV shows a lot better than the movies.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:31

That's I never heard that movie. A lot better than the movies. You got that over Infinity Well, is Infinity War landing Information. Infinity War is probably gonna land like four. Okay, and what's five? Five is probably gonna be I'm gonna have to give it to Spider Man. Which one's one? That No Way Home joy. I gotta give it, I gotta give it to you.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:51

Let me ask you this about No Way Home. As good as it is, and I've watched it a bunch of times. Is it accurate to say that some of it is good because of fan service?

SPEAKER_02 1:40:03

So when I watched it by myself, I still I still loved it. I still loved it. So I I don't want to say.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:10

But you love it, why you love it? You love it because of fan service? Because it some of the plot is contrived. Right, to just make sure that you see the people that you remember to see. Like Jamie Foxx, you know, Jamie Foxx said, okay, I'm gonna come back, but I can't have the comb over. They didn't really do a good job.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:29

I can't have the blue.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:30

They didn't do a good job of explaining why he looked like the way he looked. Yeah. But you know, there's certain plot shit. It's like, you know, um Thomas Hayden Church wasn't really in a movie. He couldn't be there for the movie. But like, some of that, as when I rewatch, when I rewatch it, I enjoy it, but some of those conversations, some of it feel like, okay, I'm liking this just because I want to see Tobey McGuire.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:50

Correct. I mean, I I I liked seeing Andrew Garfield save uh Mary J. I love, I like shit like that. Yo, that's comic book shit, so it is.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:01

I heard that one of the secret wars is coming out after the doomsday joint is gonna be the main characters is gonna be Toby Maguire and Hugh Jackman.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:09

Okay, I'm with that. I'm shocked nobody here said Deadpool and Wolverine in their top five.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:14

That's not between the one with Hadley Barry in the bodysuit with Hadley Barry and Mussolini shit. You know what?

SPEAKER_04 1:41:22

That's the Mussolini shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:29

That's the Mussolini shit. You know what? That's that's on the top.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:39

I mean, because y'all see, I didn't like that because it's Marvel Universe, right? Because technically, Blade is on the list for me. This movie that's not gonna be Blade technically in MCU.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:49

It's not MCU, right? It's not MCU. They brought him out in the dead, they brought him out of Deadpool, so he is he, but he's that movie's MCU, but I don't know Blade movies on the MCU. No, it's not a lot of people. The reason why MCU, the reason why it's the MCU is because there's so many of them movies. Yes. There's like 57 of them MCU movies. You know what I'm saying? So it's like just sticking to that universe is crazy. For me, Deadpool and Wolverine, like I when I f when it first came, I saw it in the movie Didder a few times. And then I watched it, I've seen it many, many times. I really do like that movie, but it's like it's like cotton candy.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:19

It's like top 10 for me.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:20

Like when I watch it, but when I watch it, it's just like it's just like to me, it doesn't really push push the plot of the MCU forward. It's still like an outlayer.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:33

So do you feel like my bad, bro? Do you feel like Doomsday is gonna be that?

SPEAKER_05 1:42:38

I mean, I want it to be. I'm I'm I'll be honest with you. I watch so many of them movies is comfort movies. So people, when people go to sleep and they watch like The Office and shit before they fall asleep, like that. That's me. I'm looking at The Office and Breaking Bad and Sopranos and MCU movies. I could watch any any even fucking fall asleep to Miss Marvel. White noise at the end of it today, right? You know what I'm saying? And um, but I'm interested in the plots to push it forward. And Deadpool, I'd love Deadpool. I love all the Deadpools, but the last one was crazy. But it just feels like a vehicle for Ryan Reynolds to just goof off to me. And Ryan Reynolds, from what I understand, y'all could, as comic book people could correct me. I've heard that the character of Deadpool was partially inspired by who Ryan Reynolds is as an actor.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:23

You know what I'm saying? Uh no, he was inspired by uh Wade Wilson from DC Comics uh Deathstroke.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:31

So, right, he's right, he's the he's Death, right, Deathstroke. So I'm talking about some of his personality traits. Right, no, the personality traits of Deadpool have always been there. I've always been there. Right. So what you get Deadpool's a character from the 90s, right? Ryan Reynolds is 2000. Right, Ryan Reynolds came. So Ryan Reynolds did a really good job being. He really did a good job of being. Because Deadpool, that's how Deadpool is. He's an asshole. Right. He's an outright asshole that can't get killed.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:58

Yo, did y'all see the letters? And I this is gonna sound crazy for me to say that I'm even this much paying attention to it. Um, and it's not funny if somebody really got abused. But did you see the emails that Ryan Reynolds wrote about the Justin dude that was in the movie with his wife? With his wife, um with uh with Blake Lively. There's a whole controversy. It's some white people's shit. Niggas don't know about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:21

I don't know about it.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:23

There's a movie with Justin Baldoni, I think, and Blake Lively, where they had some allegations. And he sued. They're suing each other. Right. I don't know who did what, but the emails got released in court, right? And Ryan Reynolds, of course, he's holding his wife the fuck down. Like he's really holding his wife down. But he's writing emails to the president of the of the production company, and the way he talks about this Justin dude, he sounds like Deadpool.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:50

I just believe it.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:51

It bleeds over. The way that he's talking, the language and everything, I'm like, yo, this is how this nigga really is. It's like if you had beef with Deadpool in real life, Deadpool.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:02

Listen. Yeah, uh, shout out to Pete Rock. Um that nigga love, I talk to Pete every day. And uh he loves the incredible hulk, he loves you know, comics and comic book movies. And you know, we just started talking about music this year, you know, and that's been my guy for like 10-15 years. And it's the first time when he was like, because we've been talking about music so much, I mean, excuse me, comics so much, you know, he he came out and was like, yo, Mickey, I've been I've been putting records aside just for you. So I got he's like some of this is some of my best work ever. So, you know, I'm excited. Uh shout out to Ty Wizza, you know, he worked with Flex at High 97, you know. Uh that's my other guy, co-host on the show. And we do this joint every every week, you know what I'm saying? And we talk comic, comic book movies, comic book video games, and um, you know, I'm appreciative of that relationship, you know what I'm saying? Because again, the Pete Rock, somebody I listened to, I was coming up, you know, exactly. And to call him one of my good friends, I can call P. Rock anytime, and he's gonna pick up and be like, Yo, what's up, Mickey? What you want, what you need.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:14

You know, and that and that's just love, you know what I mean? Yo, bro, real quick before we get out of here, you got an international event coming up?

SPEAKER_01 1:46:21

Um, yeah, I'm about to be in um Europe, Amsterdam, April 19th. I'm actually leaving like in a few days out there, man. So if you in Amsterdam, well, by the time you see this, man, I'll probably be, you know what I mean? But yeah, but we out there. We out there. Just came from Amsterdam.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:38

I love Amsterdam. Shout out to LP. You listen to Amsterdam. I've heard Andrews moved to Amsterdam. Make sure you check out the gray area. That's okay. Okay, put me on, man. Put him on this nigga high.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:49

He turned into me a international time out there, but put me on.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:53

You turned me into an international smuggler, this smuggler right here. We get off the train in Paris like this. Passport stamp, man. Gotta keep it low, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:02

Gotta keep it low, man. It's a poll, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:06

My name is Tyler Kwali. This is on my passport. I'm out here. Gingerbread man. They ain't catch us then, it's over.

unknown 1:47:14

No doubt.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:14

Well, I want to thank Moose for your time, Seth Burr for your time, Mickey Fats for your time. This has been another episode, and let me ask you this. One love, y'all. Please.