Episode 28 - Ras Kass Featuring Ras Kass

Episode 28 - Ras Kass Featuring Ras Kass

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SPEAKER_03 0:14

Let's go! If you gotta love the game star! You gotta love the game star! DJ for me, I'm gonna go to town! Yo! Yo, it's the RAS, KA Double Lassie, Jack the hairback. Wreckin' nigga fucking West Glass. What's coming next last class? Get so high, walk and I catch jet glass. If you ain't getting C, OJ, who miss me. Keep a headline down feeling like it's not crispy. Rispy, tricky, BBB family life. Bitch for 16 minutes with life in the pen ride. Yay, still, fuck up in the record you sell. And putting a missing milk card, they double excellent. And it's double tail. Let's double the damn. Because it wasn't a hair. Niggas with spikes. When I say hip, y'all say hop. When I say what, y'all say cold. What? When I say hip, y'all say hop. When I say live, whatever y'all say live, whatever live, live. Thank you. Thank you, thank you. You ain't going nowhere.

unknown 1:32

Thank you.

SPEAKER_07 1:32

Ladies and gentlemen, this is, let me ask you this. I am Tyler Crowley. I'm Tef Poe. And look who we found. Razzie Cazzy. Save the Razzkas. Save the Razzcast.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

I've been waiting my whole life to say this, boy. The waterproof MC. The waterproof Raz. The waterproof MC. You ain't waiting me.

SPEAKER_07 1:48

The black Darren Aranoski.

SPEAKER_04 1:50

That part. Van Gogh. You heard? Van Gogh. Rassassin's Creed. That's my new one. Rassassin's Creed.

SPEAKER_07 1:56

Rassassin's Creed. Okay. Okay. What's up, Razzie?

SPEAKER_04 2:00

Living life, loving it, man. Man. Blessed to be here with y'all.

SPEAKER_07 2:03

You and I have already done a podcast before.

SPEAKER_04 2:07

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_07 2:08

We hang out a lot. You were you bless my records. I love you. You bless mine. I appreciate you. And man, thank you for just being a solid stand-up dude. Thank you. The whole time. From the beginning of my career. Before I even really got popping out here, you were showing me love.

SPEAKER_04 2:24

I lost my voice in London. And Kwat was telling me what I did wrong, and I was so angry, but I could not use words. This is our first really real encounter. Uh with Tim West. With Westwood. No comment on that.

SPEAKER_07 2:37

Yeah, yeah, we'd have to cut that name out. But yeah. Right. A DJ out in London that used to be on the show.

SPEAKER_04 2:43

But the only time that I've ever lost my voice, we're in London together at a radio station. They bought, he's barring out, I can't rap. And I'm just like this, and I'm really mad because. So that that is always my first favorite story of like how we really met is when I lost my voice. And then our bowling adventure was hilarious.

SPEAKER_07 3:08

We went on a double. On a double date. On a double date. Jabono. Yeah, man. I was like, and it was like some like it was like a gangster Korean bowling alley. Facts. Absolutely. How did you even know about that spot?

unknown 3:23

I don't remember.

SPEAKER_07 3:24

Yeah, you I don't know. I don't know how I called that out. I was like, these niggas in LA party different. I think it was in K-town. Maybe. That's probably why I was all Koreans in this.

SPEAKER_04 3:33

Yeah, it was a Korean bowling alley. And uh yeah, that was hilarious.

SPEAKER_07 3:39

So yeah, man, this is my real friend. Facts. Um, y'all met at the show, right?

SPEAKER_02 3:43

Yeah, man. First time? Yeah, yeah. This one of my rap idols, you know what I'm saying? Like, everybody at the crib, you know what I mean? They, I'm like the the the St. Louis version of the dog in my mind. I have this is my rock him, you know what I'm saying? Like, uh I have listened to endless hours of Razz Cast, you know what I'm saying? So it's God's gift from the rap guys to even be here today, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 4:05

Man, blessed to have you. Salute to St.

SPEAKER_02 4:07

Louis, too.

SPEAKER_04 4:08

Love, man. Love, love. And thanks for doing the the hard work, both of y'all. Y'all do, you know, y'all really do the work. It's not just uh rapping and tapping, as we call it. Like, you know, to get out there with the people and demonstrate, you know, I respect that.

SPEAKER_07 4:23

We cut from the same cloth, right? Absolutely. And you know what it is. And um, you're doing the work out here as well. The work is is revolutionary, the work is uh cultural, the work is you you got this five mics thing you've been curating. Yes, sir. And I I got a chance to witness, like I've been I watched you build it from the ground up. Yes, sir. But um I got a chance at my show where you came out and you blessed Mike, rocked the Mike McCarris one and Madline. Thank you for that. Absolutely. Shout out to Chris Robb, they was playing that golden child. Yes, sir. Even though I told them about it like five minutes before you pulled up, I was like, hey, hey, and he murdered it. Uh y'all got golden child or Rascast? And they did it. And they did it. Yeah, they did it. Shout out to the band. Um, but people, I watched people walk up to you multiple times through the night and be like, yo, thank you for doing the five mics, and thank you for what five mics has added to the LA underground scene. So can you break down for the people what the five mics is for the people who are not in the Los Angeles?

SPEAKER_04 5:17

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_07 5:18

Uh and the inspiration.

SPEAKER_04 5:20

Five Mics is a party that uh me and my partner, I'd be remiss if I didn't shout out Sean Swoops. So uh, and we went to high school, uh, well, we went to fighting high schools. I went to banning, he went to Carson. But swoops throws parties here. Um, but what I wanted to do is throw a party more reminiscent specifically of what when when we were younger, uh, you know, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, that uh I felt was missing in LA. And so it's really in the spirit of water in the bush, uh, in the, you know, in the spirit of club unity. Unity was a club in LA. So um it I wanted it more inclusive. Um I feel like LA is just is a very, I know for a fact, it's spread out. And the problem is, is that we've almost even like East LA, Echo Park, they have all this dope hip-hop stuff going on. But people on Long Beach will not go to Echo Park. You know what I'm saying? Um Lemur Park has all these dope sisters rhyming, and then, you know, then you got Boombox that's in, you know, Lil Tokyo, and that's more DJ, and then the the the the the B-boys are over here. So we're just so spread out. And I'm just like, you know, I want everybody to know you're invited. And so Five Mics is a party that we curated. It's every third Thursday. Uh it's really just about trying to get everybody to come to one, you know, to one place. You're all invited, whether you're in the valley, whether you're in Long Beach, whether you're on the west side, whether you're east side, whether you are Nas or Nas's garbage man, whether you're 21 or 81, just come here, enjoy the music. It's not really MC driven. It's more driven about having a party, having fun, having a good time. Um, we usually have a a a guest DJ. Yeah. So it's not really rapping and tapping. I I that like I don't rap at my party. Because I sometimes I don't want to hear, sorry, I don't like to hear niggas spitting and rapping all on the mic on that. What I just said. I don't.

SPEAKER_07 7:31

I just was talking about this party. We had Tasha Smith here. She just left out. She was talking about this party she was at that that I had DJ'd at, and I was like, yo, um, she was like, the party was, it was like the best, one of the best parties I've ever DJ'd. And I hated to admit it. I hated to admit it, but I'm gonna say it on camera. The reason why the party went up like that is because, you know, when I, me as a DJ, first of all, I'm a selector more than a DJ. I gotta give respect to actual turntablists and people who really do it for a living, right? I'm a celebrity select, I get to come in and set the vibe. Right. So it's a different thing, but it's a privileged position, right? Ah, sure. Um, but this is one of the best times that I did that at this party at the Ace Hotel. And it's because when I walked in there, I let go of the idea that because I'm Talib Kwali from Raucus, that I that you gotta hear hip-hop when you hear me. And I I love playing hip-hop. I'm cut from the hip-hop cloth. But I walked in there, you know, as you've seen DJs play, they sometimes go from the little hip-hop set to you go up to the house set. Right, right. Man, I started at like 1:30 BPMs. As you said. Which I knew that people didn't expect that from me. It was the first time I really, really, really, and I've been DJing for a while. Yeah, absolutely. But it's the first time I really let that go. And I saw the results, right? And the the hardest part about it is we at the point where, you know, what we do is adult contemporary hip hop. Facts. You understand what I'm saying? And what we are into is hip-hop from the past, like Sound of the Police is in the Ninja Turtles movies. You know what I'm saying? Like De La Soul and Tropical Quest songs is in in uh the Smurfs movies and Transformer movies. And it's because they because they know that we grew up on Smurfs and Transformers. Absolutely. The only reason I know this is because I seen it when I watched the movie. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So it's like our crowd is not coming to dance at the party like that. Right. The people coming to dance at the party, the hip-hop that they would come out to hear, it's not motivating them. It's not uplifting. Right. It doesn't feel good. They want to hear Afrobeats, they want to hear reggae, they want to hear old school soul and funk, and they want to hear maybe something they never heard before.

SPEAKER_06 9:40

Right.

SPEAKER_07 9:41

So it's all positive, but it's like it's moving the culture, the youth culture is moving away from hip-hop in a way that it was when we was growing up, whereas hip-hop was synonymous with black youth culture. Right. Now it's like, I just did a thing in my homegirl Niara Sterling, who's amazing DJ, even with hip-hop. And she was like, Yeah, I don't even listen to hip-hop anymore, I don't even play it no more. I just did a thing with her and some, she's younger than me. A thing in Baltimore, where they was asking me questions about it, was it called a tribute to the Soul Quarius. And they was like, What was it like to know Bilal? And they really was fascinated by what it was like to be outside. But, you know, in Electric Lady and all that, wow, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 10:19

He took me back.

SPEAKER_07 10:21

But they were they was they've definitely like they not out here listening to the new raps or checking for niggas bars.

SPEAKER_04 10:26

Right. Well I'll add on to that. With my party, we we encourage to play, we can encourage our DJs to play whatever you feel like. Yeah, don't feel like you're in a box. Uh, you know, if you want to play some reggae, play some reggae. I because I I I still believe in music appreciation. So put me on to something. You know what I'm saying? I I don't discourage, of course, I want you to play hip hop records. Me personally, I love hip-hop music. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 10:54

You like to hear it out and about?

SPEAKER_04 10:56

Right. Yeah. And I don't care if it's uh from my era, which might be my favorite era, not because I was in it. It's just I feel like that '93, the blah, blah, blah, you know, was just a lot of incredible records was made. Il-matic, you know what I'm saying? Biggie, blah, blah, blah, you know, whatever. But um, I just don't like a million people rapping and you spitting on the mic. And just like let the people dance, have a good time, socialize, smoke something, drank something. Like, and so that's what we've been trying to do. Right. And and so, well, I call it contempt pop. It's funny that you said that. I had a song called Contemp Hop. Yeah. You know, that's my shortening of Adult Contemporary. But yeah, uh, like we usually have a guest DJ. Uh exactly. I'm putting it out there to you. I know. We've been talking about it for a long time. We've had rhythms the beginning. Right. We've had, you know, risk.

SPEAKER_07 11:48

That's what you're doing.

SPEAKER_04 11:49

Yeah, you were in Europe or something like that. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 11:51

You be working. You mentioned um Big A B, man, and we have Chase Infinite coming here tomorrow. Absolutely. And that's Chase Cousin. Cousin. Yeah. Bigger B. The Unity event is crazy that you mentioned that because that event was my first time that I performed in LA.

SPEAKER_04 12:06

It's most people's first time. Yeah. It was the only place to perform in LA. That was a venue that, you know, uh got the people to come out. And Big A B, I'm sure Chase will elaborate on this even more, but I can be perfectly honest. I went to Unity because it was the place to be for one. Um and then I put out a vinyl, uh, a demo, you know, a white label as we used to call them. And then I got a little buzz. And then one day uh Bigaby came up to me and said, Do you want to rap? Do you want to perform? And then me and my friends went up there and rapped. And people, I was waiting to get booed. And then nobody booed me. So I was like, oh shit, because I seen Wu Tang Clan and all Mob Deep and all these amazing people. And then at the end, I was happy, and then the nigga gave me some money. And I said, What?

SPEAKER_07 13:04

Is that the first time?

SPEAKER_04 13:05

Oh God.

SPEAKER_07 13:06

Man, recipe.

SPEAKER_04 13:07

Bigger B. Hey, I know Orlando, I'd be remiss. Yeah. Orlando and Big A B, but that's how my journey starts. Is Big A Bow let me perform, booked me, you know, on a bill with whoever, whoever, whoever. And then I rapped, and then the nigga gave me some money. And I said, What? You have to pay you get paid and do this too?

SPEAKER_07 13:26

You know what that happened? I was just happy. I didn't get booed. The first time I got paid to rap was in London. So think about what that means. That means I got on the plane with a passport, packed my bags without knowing I was getting paid.

SPEAKER_04 13:39

Oh, wow. That's how innocent we were like a naive.

SPEAKER_07 13:43

My mind frame was, you gonna let me?

unknown 13:46

That part.

SPEAKER_07 13:46

Right. It wasn't like you gonna, where's my money? It was like, you gonna let me. You gonna get me over here and let me do that. And let me rap. Wait, there's a catch. Right. There's a catch. Right. You know what I'm saying? I flew out there with Yassine Bey, and Rawcas paid for everything, and I flew, it was me, Hot Tech, and Yassin Bey. Wow. And we flew out there and I did, I think it, I think it was subterranean in London. I remember. Subterranean or subterranean subscribe. I believe that I believe. The club stank. Like vomit in beer. It was subterranean. Yeah, it was like some underground shit. And I got off stage and they put money in my hand. I think $800 or something like that. And I was like, what's this for? You know what I'm saying? Recipe Shaka. Shaka used to run around with y'all seen. Yeah, right. It was like you just performed. Like, we don't do this for free, nigga. What you talk about? Like, Shaka was on it. You know what I'm saying? I didn't know. I didn't, I wasn't part of those conversations. You know what I'm saying? And I put the money in my hand. I was like, what? Then Shaka and Mose, we was in London, right? So these we dudes from New York on some hip hop shit. We in London, we gonna get some Clarks. You know what I'm saying? Right. I never owned a pair of Clarks. I just heard about Clarks. Right. Yassin had already been acting in Hollywood and all that. So he's like, he already had acting money. So he was like, you know, we gonna get some Clarks. I spent all of my money on Clarks. She should. I came home in the red from that trip.

SPEAKER_04 15:07

I can't remember what I did with that money. And it probably was around $800. Let's just round it off. Maybe it was a grand. I don't know what it was. I just knew it was a lot more money than I never got ever rapping for any. I was like, what? And then it was, I was geeked. And and and I I like that purity of it. I mean, the naive naivete. Naive naivete. Naivete. Yeah, naivete. So, but obviously we're we're older, and uh you gotta give me all my money now.

SPEAKER_07 15:38

No doubt.

SPEAKER_04 15:39

That part.

SPEAKER_07 15:39

I just worked with an artist. They was like, I asked them to come work with me, and they was like, yeah, I'm coming as uh a thousand dollars for every five minutes I'm on stage. I was like, Jesus. Nice. I was like, I resp I respect it. Yes, yes, yes, yes, let's do that. And then I started calculating. I'm gonna have you on stage for like six minutes. Man.

SPEAKER_02 16:02

Man, so West Coast hip hop is a big thing in 2026-25. There's a lot of talk about the West, man. Um from the perspective of you as a master technician of Eastcraft and an elder statesman who's seen this thing morphed through different phases, man. How do you feel about where things are right now? You know?

SPEAKER_04 16:28

I always have looked at the state of hip-hop. If we want to get specifically about West Coast hip hop, I've always looked half-glass full as far as the state of hip-hop. Because I just feel like it's always been dope people and it's always been whack people. Um and so what I try to do is be part of the solution, not part of the pro problem. So I just like supporting dope shit. So like the state, you know, the state of the the West Coast hip hop is I support who's dope, and uh, we'll be okay, or or we won't. That's kind of what it is.

SPEAKER_02 17:10

It's a rascass answer, ain't it? Yeah. Um it is what it is. It is what it is.

SPEAKER_07 17:16

It is what it is. It is what it is. You um have recently been uh all over the place.

SPEAKER_04 17:24

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_07 17:25

In a short period of time, though. So Dave Chappelle uses your record on the Unstoppable Nigger Act.

SPEAKER_04 17:32

You called it by its real name. Yes, that's what it is. Yeah, that's the real name of it. Yes. Um for politics version, uh, I'm sorry, I don't want to cut you off. No, no, no, please. The Unstoppable Chappelle was the sanitized version.

SPEAKER_07 17:44

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_04 17:44

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 17:45

Um man, I'll be knowing the the names the nigga really want to be called. He listened to it. That's hilarious. There's other names that he That he was gonna call it? Uh all types of specials, bro. Like I'll tell you off camera some of the names he's gonna be.

SPEAKER_04 17:58

Absolutely. I would love to hear that.

SPEAKER_07 18:00

The Unstoppable Nigger Act was like the safe bet. You know what I'm saying? Charlie, I know you got some whiskey. Um, we don't have whiskey, which is crazy, right? I come on, man. You my guy. It's me. You put me on the fucking the bourbon. Yes, the bourbon. Um, you the first person I drank bullet with? Oh, really? Yeah, I used to. I got I got put on to the whiskey by um by Jimmy Fallon and Justin Timberlake. We got to kill us what we got in with the show.

SPEAKER_04 18:30

I'm gonna do a shot, beggars can't be choosers.

SPEAKER_07 18:32

Yeah, I'll do a shot with you, bro. Let's go. I'll do one too. Gratitude, pain. We appreciate you, pain. I got put onto the whiskey by the Irish, Irish dudes. Me too.

SPEAKER_04 18:42

In New York. Yeah. On 13th in uh Irving.

SPEAKER_07 18:45

But when did you find out that Dave was gonna use the how do you say the name of the song? Mafungo? Uh it's actually uh it is it is Mafungo.

SPEAKER_04 18:55

Mafungo Lions. Mafungo Lions. So uh this is the here's the the reality is the bottom uh tap it. Absolutely. Uh I get a call from Mopreem. And he's like Big Ups Mopre's. Mopreme Shakur.

SPEAKER_07 19:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:16

Um yeah, I did that like everybody would know. Super legend, super legend.

SPEAKER_07 19:20

It's all good, man. This is family conversation.

SPEAKER_02 19:22

We don't like it. He said Mopreme, like like his name was Calvin.

SPEAKER_04 19:27

No, I had to I had to add the Shakur for the tourists. Right for the tourist. Gratitude without an attitude, thank you, King. Awesome. Shall we uh shall we uh shall we Oh I'm definitely sipping in.

SPEAKER_07 19:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shall we shall we cheers?

SPEAKER_02 19:45

Yes, to hip hop, to barmageddons, to assassinations, to waterproof. All that to you ain't got enough calcium to have a bone to pick with me. Ooh, this is good though.

SPEAKER_07 19:59

I haven't had to kill in like two years, man. Podcasting makes you drink.

SPEAKER_04 20:06

So uh to answer the question, um so I get this call, Mopreem's like, yo. Chappelle came out, he was in DC, apparently came out to your record, you know what I'm saying, R R record. I'm like, oh, that's super fucking cool. You know what I'm saying? Well, I don't think much more of it. Uh I may have did a that okay. I may have because I didn't have Dave's number at the time. Because, you know, if you ain't got nothing to talk about, I don't be giving you these numbers for no good reason or whatever.

SPEAKER_07 20:41

I feel that.

SPEAKER_04 20:43

Um I think I might have texted somebody, say, tell Dave I said thanks or something like that. Um fast forward maybe about three, four days later, I get a DM. And the DM's like, do you mind if Dave because oh Mapreen's like, I'm gonna try to get the footage. I'm like, okay, that'd be great. Like, I'd love to repost that. That's that's a nice gesture. I appreciate it. Right. You know what I'm saying? That he would come out to the record. Then I get the the um the text. Uh I mean the the the DM from um um fuck the home girl, uh exec producer, uh uh Ricky. Ricky.

SPEAKER_07 21:24

Ricky, Ricky, Ricky, Ricky.

SPEAKER_04 21:25

I did not want to, sorry, Ricky. And Ricky worked at party, she knew me when I was a kid. So I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_07 21:30

Yes. She's the best people.

SPEAKER_04 21:32

Yes, and I'm sorry, Ricky, I'm an asshole for doing that. I just had a blaming almost. It's a lot going on, Ricky. Ricky's a lot going on. But no, Ricky DM'd and was just like, hey, by the way, would you know, would you mind if Dave uses the footage? I'm like, really? Why would I complain about that? Absolutely, please. And then it's the they conned me. It was slowly but surely. So then she's like. Right, the lone con in a good way. Then it was like, there's no samples in it, are there? And I was like, Like, no.

SPEAKER_07 22:01

Why do you ask?

SPEAKER_04 22:02

Right, right. No, that's no, that's when my wheels start turning.

SPEAKER_07 22:05

Right.

SPEAKER_04 22:05

And I'm like, oh, something good might happen here. Right. And then, long story short, then it all evolved and it's it's been a blessing, man. It, you know, just the support and the fact that it resonated with him, uh, because I put that record not on line, uh, my album is called Leopard Eat's Face. What I did was there were some records, because I wanted to put my Fungo Lions on Leopard Eat's Face, but I was like, that's kind of confusing, I guess, because this is about leopards. So I don't want to have the lion record.

SPEAKER_07 22:34

Right. I'm like, yeah. Man, Leopard Lives Matter, man.

SPEAKER_04 22:37

Why are you bringing up lions like that? Right, that part. So, you know, and it was a free P. Like I had a free EP prior to it's like five songs, and putting that on uh I put that out first. And the fact that Chappelle heard it, it resonated with him. I know why he told me why and all that. And how he how even I gotta shout out DJ Fatty Lumpkin. And that exactly who played.

SPEAKER_07 23:01

Fatty plays at the Shaq all the time. Exactly. And Fatty. I banned him. Yeah, he's a great, great guy. He's a great DJ. Fatty can play whatever party shit is going on.

SPEAKER_06 23:11

Right.

SPEAKER_07 23:11

But he comes from like scribble jam. Like he comes from real hip-hop. Right. He fuck with Mr. Dibbs and all them. You know what I'm saying? So he he understands he's really deep-rooted in lyrical hip-hop. Right. So when we just chillin' and it's not time to turn up, he just playing all types of records. So he might throw on a Rascast of Bishop Lamont and Ream out the blue.

SPEAKER_04 23:30

Right. You know what I'm saying? And he said, he said Dave heard it. Yeah. And then was like, play that shit again.

SPEAKER_07 23:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:36

So, you know, music, that's the point of music, and or a great movie, or like something that'll resonate with you spiritually, and you say, you know what, I I feel like whether it's a love song or a fight, fight, fight record. So I'm just glad that, you know, it it was something that resonated with him, and I'm grateful for the opportunity. Uh, you know, just uh watch, like, you know, I'm you know, I I'm sure because you you know the names of I know all y'all niggas is in cahoots anyway.

SPEAKER_07 24:06

I mean, look, you my brother for real, right? So I didn't, I knew he showed me the special on his phone a long time before. Right. But I didn't, your verse is not. No, that's Mad Lion. But it's no, it's stuff with Madeline Hook. Oh, y'all, the song starts. It starts with Mad Lion Hook, right? But then when the verse comes in, who's that rhyme? That's Mopreem. That's Mopreem. Yeah. And I I don't think I knew enough about Mopreem's rap voice to have picked that up. Right. So when he was playing it for me, I didn't, I didn't pay attention to it. I didn't know what it was. I wasn't even checking for the intro. I was just looking go to the jokes. Because I mean, we're looking at it on the phone. Right. You know what I'm saying? So I when I saw it on when it dropped on Netflix, it dropped in the holiday. I we would the family got together, everybody. Now we watch it on the TV, like I'm taking it in. Right. Right. And it came on, and then so now I'm hearing and I'm I'm now I'm putting together the lyrics with what he's saying. I'm I'm seeing the whole vision with his mother and think I'm hearing your ad libs too. Yeah. So your voice is on the song. So I'm like, okay, this is, you know what I'm saying? And then I think I hear Bishop too. Absolutely. So I hear Bishop, and when I hear Bishop, I make the connection. I'm like, Carson.

SPEAKER_04 25:12

Right, absolutely. Wait, Rascal's got something to do with this. Yeah. Yeah. Because the Bufungo Lions are some real lions. I was on some nerd shit doom scrolling. Came across these lions that uh basically, there were six lions. Uh, for those that don't know, this happens in the animal kingdom a lot. That uh, say the old lion gets tested by the new alpha male. If he beats him, he'll go kill all the children. So that the women will go into Estrus, the females will go into Estris, so he can procreate with them. Survival of the fittest, better, you know, stronger genetic. He was wants he wants to protect his dominance. These particular lions, their pops got killed. And instead of doing what normally happens, these six lions started hunting together because they normally run off if they can even escape. The moms will try to protect them, but normally they're just doomed to hunt alone, whatever, and then try to come back and test somebody else later. These did did some behavior that was never done before. They banded together, started hunting together, and then came back and killed the nigga that killed they daddy, and then started killing all the other niggas, all the lions. So they're like responsible for like 60, 70% of all lions in South Africa. So I was just like, that's some real shit. Wow. So that's why I pulled the six of us. Right. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 26:37

That's pretty dope conceptually. Yeah. You've always been an amazing conceptualist. When I think about people who are on that level conceptualizing rap records, it's like you, the jizzer. Absolutely. Uh, you got records with. Absolutely. Very few people can hang with y'all when it comes to conceptualizing on that level. Um I got a question the fans have always wanted to know. What's up? What came first, the chicken? Chicken or the egg. Armageddon, the armor, legger, leggo, armor head.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

We need to know, man. That was the answer. From the teacher himself.

SPEAKER_04 27:16

The answer, I'ma repeat the hook. What came first? The chicken or the egg? Armageddon, the armor, legal, leg, or armor head, heading in your direction. The riddle is the answer to the question. Born in the flesh, what is perfection? That's barmaged. Crazy. It's barmaged. How old were you when you wrote that? Interview with the vampire was 20-ish. 20-ish, 22, 21-ish.

SPEAKER_02 27:45

Are there any, and I'm sure there are, but are there any concepts you could tell us about that internally your crew is like, nah dog. We not letting that one fly out to the public.

SPEAKER_04 27:59

Uh quite a few. I got a list.

SPEAKER_02 28:08

The labels, like I mean, you got bars alone that are just like, who didn't edit this record?

SPEAKER_04 28:14

Like, you know. That's probably my undoing. Nature of the threat. They like that.

SPEAKER_07 28:17

I'm not even, it's not even nature of the threat. It's like your your brag and bullshit is super egregious, bro.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

Like, goddamn. Also, you like the nigga that be telling everybody like I be saying fucked up shit. I get it. I mean, I'm my regular.

SPEAKER_04 28:35

But that's part of what makes you high school me. I'm not I'm not tall. I'm not tall. I knew I was never gonna fucking play for the NBA. Uh, you know, uh sucking baseball. So I was like, what I realized was I could out talk you, nigga. You can't beat me talking. I'm gonna win. And I'm a smart nigga. I'm a smart, dumb nigga. I'm a watts, baby, and a Carson kid. So I can I can do both. I we can get busy on some ignorance and we can get busy on some who can talk the most shit. So I uh I I say fucked up shit that I think about because it it makes me laugh. I say things that um sometimes I'm like, damn, this is awful. But it's kind of funny. This is awful. It's kind of funny. I mean, sometimes you say shit that think about the things you think that you don't say out loud. I like to just say a no filter, fucking say it. Right because sometimes people say, fuck, that was fucked up, but that shit was kind of funny. And it was kind of true. Or it's very true. Sometimes we don't because, you know, um there's social etiquette. But this is music. So for me, some of it gets to be like it's my it's me getting to be free and say some fucked up shit. I think. I'm gonna give you one example. This only happened about three years ago. Now, I used to really love swimming, diving, all that shit. Uh in San Diego, what is it, SeaWorld? Yeah. All right. So my mama used to drop me off. When you go to SeaWorld, they got a big ass aquarium, you can just swim, sharks, whatever. They would just drop me off in there, it's snorkeling, and go to the park, and I'd just be in there the whole day. They'd come get me. So I really like to swim. One year I caught swimmers here, which is basically water gets in there, and then wax bills, and it was so painful, I never stopped swimming. So after COVID shit, we go to Catalina, and I'm like, I'm gonna go snorkel. It's my birthday. I'm like, fuck that, I'm gonna go snorkel. Fucking Catalina wine mixer. Bro, I jump out there. I'm sober as a dober, but I jump, we get one of the boats. Uh, it's my birthday. It's me, a female, my homeboy, a female. He's one of them stereotypical niggas. He's afraid of water, then they got the jacket on and all that. She's sitting up there, she's gonna win and get her hair wet. I get it. The other, the one friend jumps off. She's a she used to be a fucking lifeguard or some shit. Me, I'm like, but she ain't got nothing on. She really does this. But we in the middle of the ocean, and I'm the idiot. It's like, I want to, you know, I want I want to get back to myself. I jump out with, you know, with my fans and my snorkel, and immediately two Charlie horses. Damn. Two. Two. Both legs.

SPEAKER_07 31:32

I ain't used these muscles. Those is different from the from the from the little bit of swimming? I stopped swimming. I ain't swam in like seven. No, I'm saying from the from you jumped in and quick.

SPEAKER_04 31:43

From just a little bit of swimming around. Not even, bro. Just immediately. Two minutes. No, not even two minutes. 45 seconds, like whoop. And then I start sinking, right? And if I'm lying, I'm fine. I look down because you got your little goggles. I look down, it's like 30 feet. I can see the bar. I'm like, I'm fucked. And the first thing I think is some rappers are gonna have a great time at this bar. The waterproof MC on his birthday drama. Oh my god, Rass. In Catalina. Best bar ever. So wait, wait, wait. You hear me? I start laughing. I start laughing. I'm like, fuck, this is how it is. This is crazy, bro. Like, I'm gonna die now. And all I can think of is this is gonna be great bars, though. This is gonna be crazy. Somebody gonna win off of this fucked up bar. And the uh, you know, I'm blessed. I just remember thinking, like, fuck it, take off the snorkel. I got one shot at the title, bro.

SPEAKER_07 32:36

One shot at the title.

SPEAKER_04 32:38

I'm like, fuck it, take off this, because I know that the habit would be trying to get air. So my whole shit was like, fuck it. Just take this off, hold your breath, get up, get one, and then swim for the coast. Because I can't really grab the boat. I'm gonna be trying to say, hey, help me, and the water gonna come in, then I'm really gonna die. So basically, I'm about we about third. The smart thing is that I didn't, we were still close to the beach. Probably about 20 feet. A little dock. It was like a little private little beach thing. We had took the little boat and went around, whatever, and I just swam and then I just fell on the ground. Like, what was the nigga uh with the ball? Wilson? Yeah, Wilson.

SPEAKER_05 33:18

Wilson. I just swim off the beach and that's all dead.

SPEAKER_04 33:25

But I guess I say that to say this. Like, I think the most inappropriate shit at the most inappropriate time. The nigga was gonna die.

SPEAKER_07 33:33

Because of Charlie, first of all, Charlie Horse is gonna be the death of us, man. Remind me after you finish. I'm gonna send you with my phones. I got somewhere a clip of I I was interviewing Buckshot for People's Party, and I caught the ill Charlie Horse in the middle of the interview. You know what I'm saying? And it was in New York too, and I was like, yo, I need some potassium, give me a banana, and niggas was like, pause. It was terrible. You know what I'm saying? It was terrible. I was also thinking about- Were y'all walking? What were you doing? No, I was sitting there and they just do it. Because we get old, and if we sit in a place for too long and you're not acting for too long, like you wasn't swimming. Another thing I was thinking about when you told that story was there's a video of me, Jack, and Mad Lib got a song on my last album with Mad Lib.

SPEAKER_04 34:16

By Jack, you mean sick jacking?

SPEAKER_07 34:18

No, not sick jacking. What's Jack?

SPEAKER_04 34:19

Wild Child.

SPEAKER_07 34:20

Oh, Wild Chow. Right. Absolutely. And um, we we filmed a video in Zanzibar. We were out in Zanzibar. Oh no. Don't ask me why Federico was with us. And we changed his name to Fisherico on that trip. Because this motherfucker, I swear to God, we took a boat, a catamaran, how you call catamaran? Catamaran, yeah. Catamaran, right? I'm not a boat, nigga. I'm a I'm a I'm a nigga. Catamaran, right? Um, and we own this shit in the middle of the Indian Ocean. That's amazing. The the shore wasn't close. This guy jumps off the boat. Did he almost die? No, he jumped off. We didn't even see him for a minute. We we was concerned.

SPEAKER_04 35:00

Oh, there was a racist joke in there right now. I had one, but I won't even say it. I had a very good racist joke. I'm sorry, keep going, brother.

SPEAKER_07 35:07

Oh man. But yeah, I was just uh you had me flash it back to how good of a swimmer he is, and I didn't know that he was that good of a swimmer.

SPEAKER_04 35:16

There's a racist joke that you keep. Oh, he always throwing his layup to me, but I'm not I'm not gonna even do it. He'd be like, And that's something you guys don't want to go see the sights?

SPEAKER_02 35:25

You know, it's slow-hanging fruit. Yeah, that's what Federico. Federico wanna see the sights.

SPEAKER_07 35:30

We was in just in Lisbon, he was like, Yo, do you want to what he said? He said the the view, the the the lookabout.

SPEAKER_02 35:37

Yeah, he can't make it. There's a look about it, but that was a guy.

SPEAKER_07 35:40

There's a beautiful look about it. Who fucking out the look about?

SPEAKER_04 35:44

Only fair, only fair, we use that.

SPEAKER_07 35:45

Yo, and then we walked with him to the look about. It was it was and it was a breathtaking, huh? No, it was all right. I'm from New York City. I see shit like that all the time. But you not he he but he just he's got some photographers out there. No, Federico, my favorite shit about him is he he be like, yo, because he don't like to eat no bullshit. Yeah, he's very serious about clearing no bullshit. So he'd be like, yo, there's a fire ass spot down the street, and no fire, fire ass Vietnamese spot down the street, knowing he ain't never been there before. He just trying to convince us to go.

SPEAKER_04 36:14

Wow, hilarious.

SPEAKER_07 36:15

He's trying to use the powers of persuasion.

SPEAKER_04 36:17

Well, it turns out he's not gonna like this, but we've all we've always said Frederico thinks he's the smartest nigga in the room at all times. We know that about him.

SPEAKER_07 36:27

That's what happened.

SPEAKER_04 36:28

If you know, you know.

SPEAKER_07 36:29

He hooked up these mics, and the shit's gonna sound great.

SPEAKER_04 36:31

Yes, yes. Um we love him, uh C-Sick. That's pretty C-Sick mixing.

SPEAKER_07 36:36

You know, I'm gonna tell you what's funny about that. Federico, you know, you notice like Federico always representing Psycho Realm, always representing Psycho.

SPEAKER_04 36:45

Absolutely, shout out.

SPEAKER_07 36:46

Shout out to Sick Jack and Ambient Goop. Federico come around with the mad uh bags of bloodbath and taking care of niggas and face the niggas with the blood spot. He hooked me up with Malaysia, G.

SPEAKER_04 36:58

He hooked me up with bloodbath.

SPEAKER_07 36:59

And I heard you rap about bloodbath. When I heard it, I was like, Federico, Ross Cat's up with the bloodbath.

SPEAKER_01 37:06

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 37:09

That's crazy, man. Um, I got a question for you. Let me ask you this. You keep putting out music, and I thank you for that. You don't stop. Yeah, you you you don't stop.

SPEAKER_04 37:19

Too stupid to know when to quit. You sound good, man. You sound great right now.

SPEAKER_07 37:23

And you're getting better, which is amazing. Thank you. We should be getting better as we get older. Yeah, 10,000 hours. Yeah, God win laps to Malcolm Gladwell of it. Um, Humble Pie and Mafunko Lions. These records, thank you. You going at Kanye on both these records. You a man after my own heart, man. Because I've I got a lot to say about that too. You know what I'm saying? But a lot of people scared to say something about it.

SPEAKER_04 37:44

I said this to you before. I used to say. And we we all know each other. I know Kanye from Jay-Z.

SPEAKER_07 37:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:53

You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? So I know I listened to uh college dropout a year before. He forced me to listen to the whole album before he fucked his job. So I ain't, you know, I have never done anything uh ill towards uh Ye.

SPEAKER_07 38:15

I won't even call him Yeah. I'm gonna call him Kanye Way. And we not we not talking personality or personal.

SPEAKER_04 38:19

So so so here was my issue. My issue was when I first went to prison, Kanye said some slick shit about me. And then I seen, and instead of dissing, I didn't give them back then. We're still talking prior to like the digital age. So that's when the source is like calling my management. Like, Kanye said some slick shit, it came back, and I'm like, but I never, bro, I ain't never did you trust me, I heard the whole album with y'all on it. Da-da-da-da-da. He played me the entire album. I was dropping off, I was working on my album, and he was in there working in the in the B room at Dre shit at record one, and it was like, yo, listen to this. And I was like, I want to go. You know what I'm saying? Well, I know I don't, not that I want to go. Yeah, yeah. I just was like, nigga, I had the data disc of this Dr. Dre record, right? Uh it's called the Whoop, it never came out. Bus did a hook, but Dre was like trying to come up with alternative hooks. So I'm just trying to give him the data disc. We on the anger management tour. And I run into Kanye, and he's in there cooking up, but he still signed a Jay-Z, so they got the first writer refusal at the time, I believe. I think. Um, but long story short, he plays me the album. Um, he plays one song, the first song. Y'all own the first song. You know, whatever. I'm like, yo, that shit dope. Now listen to the whole thing. He like, I'm not a lyricist like you, but you know what I'm saying? I'm like, nah, you sound great, bro. So I've never, I don't, you know, I always give people the dignity and respect they they they deserve. I felt like Kanye got successful and then for some reason picked on me. You know what I'm saying? Like, it not even picked on me, it's just like Oh, you felt like it was unnecessary. Yeah, like what the fuck you why you speak by my name and not, you know, like I it's a lot more people that didn't believe in you. I fucking supported you, bro. And so you don't owe me shit, but I don't owe you shit. So why you fucking using my name in vain? That shit kind of whack, bro. You know what I'm saying? And there was other situations, and I did say this to you once. I said, y'all get money with him. I don't give, yeah, I don't get no money with this nigga, so I don't give a fuck. Ultimately, I don't give a fuck who he is. I don't give a fuck, ultimately, I don't give a fuck who nobody is. You gonna give me mine or I'm gonna take it from you. Ultimately, it's gotta be like that. So I end up proving myself right. I don't look, mental health, you got enough money to fix it. Leave me out of your shit. Because I never dissed you. You can't beat me rapping. That's what I tell any of these niggas. At the end of the day, most of these niggas can't beat me rapping. You better catch me in the streets. Yeah. And you're probably gonna lose that one when we start playing war games.

SPEAKER_07 40:51

Right, right, right. See, now it's not, but it's not just about I I even what you're saying, in the way that you're saying it, in the way that you standing on business, I'm still not hearing nothing to your credit. I'm not hearing nothing that's personal. It's not about personal. It's just like, okay, like you, like you have the freedom to do whatever you want, but then I have the freedom to do whatever I move how I need to move too.

SPEAKER_04 41:12

And I remember when he, you know, said what he said about you. But again, I'd say it, like, I get why, you know, if it's my guy and he's kind of tripping, yeah, there's a certain degree of responsibility that I have to kind of, you know, try to keep it cool. But I but I don't have to. You know, I so I've always said, like, well, Kanye, you know, to this day, I I don't have nothing against him. I can't take from him what God gave him or hard work gave him or genetics gave him.

SPEAKER_07 41:42

But you know But you're critiquing an ideology. Right, I'm critiquing the ideology. Yeah, yeah. This story that you just told us, you told us this because we, you know, we brothers. So you didn't you didn't make a rap song about what you just said. Right. You made a rap song about the politics. You know what I'm saying? What he's talking about. Right. And even on the record, like on the um um, I'm not clearing the I'm not clearing shit. I'm not clearing anything. And you and you've been on that too, you've been rhyming the Prince of Samples and Golden Girls, and you doing all types of shit. I don't I don't even know what's going on. But you talking about like you going at black conservatives on that record too. What Leopard Eat Your Face record, you're going at black conservatives. Absolutely. You're going after systems. Maybe some individual names get mentioned, but the larger macro view of it is you are attacking not attacking, because a lot of people look at activist work or look at people who critique the system as an attack. We are not in a position to be attacking if you throw a rock, like you said on the other episode. Yeah, you throw a rock at somebody who who who uh who's dropping a bomb on you, is that political violence? No, that's self-defense. We're not in an attack position. Absolutely. When you when you critique these systems, when we throw rocks at these tanks, what you're doing lyrically, you're doing this self-defense.

SPEAKER_04 42:56

Yeah. And then I think another part of it is analyzation. So there's a philosophical aspect to it. Uh, you know, like because I also look at myself and I say, what part do I play in this? You know, and I write about that. I write about the uh it's uh, I believe it's Descartes, the duality of man. Yeah, you know, so I'm always talking about my higher self, my lower self. So I'm I'm saying, like, I want to go to the club. I want to, you know, have sex with this girl because she's pretty and not because I like her and want to marry her, or you know, or or or I'm come or I'm confused or I'm hurt. I try to deal with all the aspects of my personality and they may not always add up. It doesn't mean you're a hypocrite because you're not always uh, you know, you're human. Uh trying to trying to do something, something positive because some days I wake up and I do some fuck shit. And I have to take accountability in that. So I think part of me as an artist is sometimes I, you know, I'm waking up, I feel some type of way. I try to address that. I try to look at the parts I play, I try to look at the parts that Economics plays, that uh where your cultural background plays, uh, where your geography, all these things are factors in what makes a human being and in my decision making. If I go make a left and go uh rob the bank, I might get one result. I might, I might hit a payday, I might hit the lick, or I might catch a cakes. I could go to the right and go get the same positive or negative results, but I have to take accountability for who I am. And and so yeah, I think I'm more philosophical. I try not to be, I always say like Karis wants the teacher. That's right. You know what I'm saying? Razkas. Razkaz. You did it. But yeah, I'm not a teacher. I'm more, I'm philosophical. I've my mom uh when she was highly disappointed in me, she passed away recently. But condolences. Yeah, yeah. I say, you know what I'm saying? She's the ancestor. But I remember her not being happy with me a couple of years ago. And she was like, I wanted a philosopher. That's how she talks. And when I used to piss her off, it the way I irritated my mother, I'd be like, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, me, meh, me, meh. Because that's how she sounds like really, really light voice, but venomous. That's where I get the mouth from. Like she could say mean shit and cut you down to shreds, like really smart, never have to raise her voice. So I remember she said, I wanted a philosopher. And I said, I wrote interview with the vampire, Nature the Threat. I would land on the fact that I'm a philosopher. That's right. Period. Oh no. And then, you know, I don't know if she hugged me, but she's I got her. I was like, I win. Thank you for the phone. Yeah, but that's who I am, you know what I'm saying? That's beautiful. Yeah, like I don't want to, like, I'm never against people, you know. Uh and this is not even what like you said, with uh um uh the Paulo Brown record. I don't forgot the name of it. But with that record, I was I I I didn't attack Kanye. I just made an analogy. Oh, I said Kanye were confederate flags.

SPEAKER_07 46:01

Yeah. You just said what it was.

SPEAKER_04 46:02

I was like, and that, and and that, but but I said, but black people's uh heads was in Confederate bags or something like that. I was just saying, like, don't try to justify that. You can't re-contextualize, like, it's not okay. Don't wear that thing. And and yeah, I guess I could wear well, I'll tell you what, try to reflip that and sell that to whoever, whatever that person can be. I don't want to get too far into it. But we're the only ones trying to like rationalize wearing uh a Confederate flag, our own trauma, and trying to wear it like it's cool. It's not okay. And I think it's stupid when you made that much money, go read a fucking book then. You got enough time to read a book and stop doing stupid shit uh to try to convince people that that's okay.

SPEAKER_02 46:54

Yeah. There's a story in my life that involves this dude that used you and Jay-Z as a dichotomy one time. I was doing business, right? And I was a young dude, and ironically enough, it was the same parking lot that uh these undercover cops had killed this guy on this guy on. I was walking into a jack in the box to have a meeting with this guy. He was supposed to be a record exec, but he was a nobody. And he he offended me in the meeting with how he framed this. And I always I'm framing my question through this story. Okay. So he presents me this contract, it's a faulty contract. I don't sign it. And he goes, You need to decide if you want to be Jay-Z or Razcass, man. I've always been that guy.

SPEAKER_01 47:45

Failure, baby. And I'm like, and I don't know. You know what?

SPEAKER_02 47:51

As a Razcas fan, I don't necessarily contextualize it through failure. I contextualize it through what I took it as was uh you can rap good, is what he was telling me. I get it. But you need to decide if you're gonna be tactical with your lyrics enough to engage the commercial zeitgeist in a way, or are you gonna just be like the dude who completely crashes out lyrically telling niggas shit? You know what I mean? Like having bars like record company rule number one, two, and three, beep, run it, right, run around in it, believe me, right? Like I got in trouble for that one too. Right. Like, I got in trouble for that. So like he was looking at me like, yeah, you got some choices to make because you can rap, but you what you gonna do with it, right? And I've always wondered, after you made Nature of the Threat, did you have, did you make some deliberate decisions like, yo, they already trying to blackball me anyway. I might as well go all the way with it anyway, because they already fucking with me anyway. So it ain't no need to be too tactical with shaving off the bars and dumbing shit down because I'm already in the in the target. I'm already being targeted.

SPEAKER_04 49:05

That's a really good question. I think that uh so first of all, Nature of the Threat was on my demo. Um party records to their credit. Um I remember them asking, like, you sure you want to put this out? Of course it was an uncomfortable record. To this day, there's certain people that will try to accuse me of certain things, which I'm not.

SPEAKER_07 49:31

We had a great conversation about the uncomfortability of that record.

SPEAKER_04 49:36

Right, it's an uncomfortable, but it's factual. And so we have an LA saying called Fuck How You Feel. See, facts are facts. Facts don't care about how you feel about them. See, gravity doesn't care. Jump off the building and see if gravity gives a fuck about your feelings. You can feel like you got R. Kelly, I believe I can fly. Try it. Jump off the Empire State building without a hand glider or a parachute, nigga. And you gonna find out that your belief ain't strong enough. So uh for me, I just I I I really wasn't concerned with that. I I I made the record, I understood. I wrote Nature the Threat and planned on putting it on my second album. My mother again convinces me, uh, well, she cries and says, it's important. You have to put it on the album. Because you are a philosopher. Right. She's like, you have to put it on the first album. I was like, I don't, so if you were talking about being tactical, my tactic would have been like, no. I had a plan about what I was gonna do. My mom's like, eh, do it, it's important. I'm okay, fuck it. Um by then, and then I'm already doing what you just quoted, which was uh uniform, with with uh, with cannabis and and uh bunch of fucking rock. Uh so when I say that, I'm all I'm walking on eggshells already. But I don't give a fuck because ultimately, at least I was being honest. And I was trying to be true to myself in my perception, in my perspective. And that's what I thought music was was to be honest, and whether I'm right, wrong, you know, at least I'm communicating how I perceive the world, you know, with Mar, you know, Marvin Gay, you know, what's going on? You know what I'm saying? Sometimes you just want to be honest and say how you feel. You don't have to agree with me. I'm just telling you how I feel. And um anything after that uh has always been the same feeling. If I can't make music from an honest POV, what the fuck is the point of making it? I don't want, I'm not, I don't I I hope I never become some dude that's so regimented by a standard of music that's so watered down, that is so fucking generic, that it means nothing that anybody could do it. See, what I challenge you to do is I can't be him. I can't be me. I cannot be Eminem, but neither can y'all be me. You ain't been through, you ain't walked through my shit, you ain't sat in the pen, you ain't did that with me. You know what I'm saying? So everybody has their own distinct story, and I always used to tell people I don't want to be the next Kendra Lamar. Yeah, I want to be the first Razcast. And everybody should want to be the first them at whatever they do. So for me, I never worried about that. Trust me, there's been peaks and valleys. When it's low, it's low. It hurts, but I have one, you know, I have one happy place.

SPEAKER_02 52:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 52:33

I've quit rap a few times, fighting with my own label, fighting with party records. I'm notoriously fought with my label. I took my master's nigga and went to New York and kicked it. Kicked it with your boy.

SPEAKER_01 52:45

Right, kicked it with them. That's what he told me. He said the whole time he was kicking it with bro, bro.

SPEAKER_04 52:53

On the brother. And guess who tells on me? My record label. They tell on me, and then that's when uh the magazine starts coming. Like, you really took the masters and went on the run, and then I had to do the cover of one of the motherfuckers, not the source. No, no, I was on the cover of the music. Oh, yeah, with the with the if you can, because that was out, the movie. Catch me if you can. I'm in a suit doing the catch me if you can. So I'm just I'm in the moment doing me, and that's part of the fun of this. It's like I'd rather just be myself, and and I I mean I get all the results. I but I never signed on to get Jay-Z money for one. Right, right, right, right. I I never wanted to have, I don't, I don't even think you should have a billion dollars personally. We talk about the oligarchy, that's right. I just I don't I think billionaires exist. I think you should retire your jersey on the planet.

SPEAKER_02 53:43

And here's the wildest part about that dichotomy from people, and this is why Quali got me on the show, because I say shit like this, the real shit. This ain't the internet perspective. To me, people live. I mean, we are on it. Live in the matrix-driven perspective of shit. You know what I mean? But the person who asked me that is a fucking nobody. So, who the fuck do you want to be? You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 54:08

Like, while you ask me, Who have you even gotten to be at? Right, that button. Yeah, man, it has been. You know what I'm saying? It has been and it never was for a while off top.

SPEAKER_07 54:15

Listen, that happened to me over and over again. Like, we remember the movie Brown Sugar? Mm-hmm. Uh, and uh, what's it say? Wendell Wendell Pierce plays the record executive, and they trying to play it. He said, You better take that shit to Raucus. Nigga, I'm in the movie. At that beginning of Brown Sugar, I'm the Rawus and this. I'm like, what the hell is this? But it made sense that the Kai was funny. Right. Kanye, when he went on Drink Champs, he said, Tyler Kwali talking about I gotta read, trying to make me read. Who would you rather be? Kanye or Tyler Kwali? Everybody would choose Kanye. I mean, that didn't age well, but he still attempted it.

SPEAKER_04 54:50

He's supposed to, though. Do you? Yeah. There's a lot of people that I have notorious or not so known issues with in this industry as other other rappers. I have said things that I won't say here, but I've told other superstar rappers like how that played out for you. Let's fast forward that movie. At the time, he up, he popping, he's a weenie, he's a garbage pail kid, he's a sock puppet, he's a buster. Now, just because I don't have material stuff, I got integrity, and you rhyme with a weirdo and watch how this plays out. We shall see, said the blind man, as my grandma used to say. So I feel like I'd rather land on some modicum of truth that because anybody can follow whoever got all the stuff. But so did, so you know, like, end of the day, uh, you know, my word and my balls, because you can't take all this material shit with you. I could own the whole motherfucking valley, nigga. But guess what? When you fucking dead, that's all that's gonna matter. What what did I do here? That was was my carbon footprint, was my emotional footprint, was my spiritual footprint something worthwhile, or was I a piece of shit taker?

SPEAKER_07 56:03

That's right.

unknown 56:04

That's right.

SPEAKER_04 56:04

A lot of people don't see it because they too materialistic based on what American capitalism has instilled in them. And and people of color, you only been getting the scraps, and just cause they make one or two, they get a lot, they like, okay, the rest of you niggas and browns or whatever, y'all niggas too, and you're fucking Filipino, all y'all niggas. All y'all niggas is just niggas anyway. But you're not gonna, everybody ain't gonna get that, and that's the the dangle carrot. If you bow down, maybe you could be the one to get the carrot. The black exceptionalism. Right.

SPEAKER_07 56:40

One day you can all be puffy, and then one day you can all be puffy.

SPEAKER_02 56:43

That part. Yeah. It's the same thing white folks try to um metestize with uh supporting Trump, you know, maybe another.

SPEAKER_04 56:50

Yeah, it's the same. Well, fuck around and find out, FAFO. That's why my first the free EP was called FAFO. Fuck around, find out. And the next one, it was all inspired by the time we're in. And then the album was Leopard's Face. Those are socio-political terms that just got coined. Yeah, the cousins off top.

SPEAKER_07 57:11

Yeah. Um, I saw the Heineken and Esso interview. Yes. Where my name gets brought up. No, I didn't do it. No, you didn't bring it up. Uh either Heineken or Esso brought it up. But it's it's funny because Esso was Esso. It was funny because shout out to Bagfuel, by the way. I love Bagfuel. It was funny because. But you didn't ever eat a chew root. What did you say? Chew stick. Oh, did you?

SPEAKER_04 57:32

I had a chew stick, but I didn't meet you with a chew stick.

SPEAKER_07 57:35

Not not before I by the time I met you, I would not have a chew stick. I used to have the blue Nile and the Francassets and the Chew Stick and the incense. See, I was thinking more, when I said it, I was thinking more of Berkeley. Yo, first of all, when you said it, I knew exactly what you was talking about. Right. I I saw it in my head. I I tasted the licorice from the teeth. Between my teeth. Right. You know what I'm saying? And and the and the the they call them hotteps now, but the the conscious community back in the day, they used to be like, well, you know, use it to clean your teeth, brother. Yeah, that's what they used to do. Yeah. I don't know if that worked. I'm not sure. I don't know the science or the data behind that.

SPEAKER_00 58:06

I don't know either. But but they did used to say that.

SPEAKER_07 58:09

Yeah, but it was funny is that no matter what, with me, I am the poster child for whatever people think that is. There's all these clips, like it's it's But doesn't that get you a lot of money? You know what? I I don't mind. It's it yeah, it's it's not I don't and I will say it gets me money, it keeps my name in high esteem. Right. If you're gonna be the poster child for something, it might as well be the poster child. I know you.

SPEAKER_04 58:34

And so that that's the the crazier part is the things I I'm like we're a human being. So I'm saying this in the nicest way possible. I'm not always positive or whatever. Well that's the point you were making on the right. Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_07 58:51

And you can point of I don't fit into these boxes. Kendrick Lamar on the right. But you but turns out you don't either. Of course I don't. And Kendrick don't, and so on, and I don't, and and whoever you even. Kendrick had the bar uh about how you people think he's con who's conscious. He says, but if you start to think that I'm calm and a quality, ignorance is bliss. He said that at the when he was KD. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, like on Math Hoffa's show, when Tony Yeo and Murders arguing with Sean Bigger. Oh, you one of them Tyler Kwali niggas. The way niggas say it, it might sound and feel disrespectful, but I don't take it as it doesn't, it's not disrespect at all. It's a high respect.

SPEAKER_04 59:31

Well, this is the this is for me what I find interesting. And I always say this the difference between me and Kuali and Yassine Bey and Eminem and Kendrick Lamar and Nas is a million records old. Everything else that didn't sell is just an ill-ass MC.

SPEAKER_07 59:49

You said I got knowledge yourself, I'm sort of most deaf.

SPEAKER_04 59:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 59:52

When I heard that, I was like, that's me. Because I got a record called Knowledge Yourself and people associate with me.

SPEAKER_04 59:58

Did you I got another verse I did, I did it for Premier. I said, if skill sold truth, it's the Jay-Z flip. Yeah, yeah. I said if skill sold, truth be told, or ought to be, oh wait, wait, if skill sold, truth be told, ought to be financially like double Jay-Z. Honestly, the world needs common sense, but I get bitches. So I've been rhyming like common sense.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:19

Honestly, I get bitches.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:21

Yeah, I do. I get bitches. And I could have said I get ladies, but the whole point, like, I could just we are I I am higher and lower nature. And and yeah, of course, if if if I sell a I could sell a million, this is gonna sound fucked up, but I'm gonna say it because this is how I normally say it. I could sell a million used condoms from me. See, yeah, you're right. You're right. It did sound fucked up. So it ain't gonna sound pause because it's mine. So, but uh you people are reactive. If I got rich selling my used condoms, then you would pay attention. Some people would only care about the success of that. So people are so reactive to the success thing as opposed to what the what the the talent thing is. So they get wrapped up in these labels. That's why underground became underground. You know what I'm saying? Like, because some people started listening to exec saying, well, you know, well, he underground. You you hear, he there. House nigga feel nigga shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't, I don't see, I just see all niggas. Now, if you want to be a weirdo in the field or you want to be a weirdo with a with a better position, that's on you. I just want to get into a better position. Obviously, I I would hope that we all get in a better position, but I don't think I'm any lower or any better than anybody. But that we started making these different, even West Coast did it. Oh, I'm gangster rap, y'all hip hop. Backpack rap. Save that. What the fuck? You know, freestyle, right? Freestyle fellowship, them niggas was gang members. They were from LA. Everybody grew up somewhere. Oh, I know. So you know what I'm saying? Everybody thought Kendrick just, you know, like people, Ab Soul, he's from a neighborhood. We from C Arson.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:08

Shout out to Ab Soul. He was here yesterday, chopping it up.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:11

Well, I got beef with Ab. Talking about you. He was talking about you. I know. I need him to show up so we can shoot the video for the fucking song on the album.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:17

Let's talk about the song. Yes, yes. Let's talk about the song. Thanks. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:20

I didn't have beef, I was only making that up. Yes. Thank you for being on the album. Thank you. C Arson. See you Arson.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:26

Yeah, man. Yeah, man. That's something that makes me proud as a fan, man. Like the continuation of the lineage between you and Solo, bro. Yeah, man. That's real dope, though.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:37

It's really dope. Man, he he did threatening nature. I wrote Nature the Threat. He did threatening nature.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:41

He did threatening nature. And he said, I'm on my Razcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:44

I wanted to ask him about that yesterday. Yeah, but I slipped my mind to ask him that.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:48

He did say that. I remember um And he have he and he got teacher on his on his show.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:52

Absolutely. Absolutely. So he's tapped in. Yes, he is. And they developed their own relationship and met each other separately. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:00

Um speaking of that, thank you for being on my album with Jay Rawls. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:05

Thank you.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:05

Is that the do you and um are you in Coast Contra on other albums together?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:12

They've always been on albums. Well, not always. They're on Adidas Federation.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:18

No, I'm talking about, I'm talking about like uh featured on somebody else's album. Oh, me and them? Yeah. Because I got you featured on one song and I got one on another song. I don't know. I don't think so. I think we might put it on. I think you might have pulled it off.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:31

Yeah, did that.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:32

Shout out to Coast Contra, you know, Raz, Taz, the whole crew, Eric, uh, Los, uh, they did an amazing job. And um I'm very happy that you were able to participate in that record. Shout out to Federico who helped hook that up.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:45

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:46

Um, yeah, man. Yeah, man. Can I get a refill? Listen, man. It sounds like you finished now. Yeah, we I mean, we listen, this is Rascast. Let me ask you this. We we have come to the end of another episode, and let me ask you this. That was it. Damn it.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:01

Well, I need to re-up so we can uh Yeah, we're gonna re-up and we're gonna, you know. I can take a re-up.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:05

What's up, Chris Payne?

unknown 1:04:06

What's up?

SPEAKER_07 1:04:07

This Chris Payne, we need to get you on the podcast. Here come the pain. That's a Here come the pain. I said she should go by pain. I'm sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:13

Yeah, this is gonna fucking I'm gonna be Yeah, we got some things to talk about.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:17

Yeah. Shout out to Chris Rob. We got all the Chris's in the house.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:20

Right. The Horseman album. That's what I want to do. Oh, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:23

And oh, and rest in peace to Sophia. I meant to say that. Rest in peace, Sophia. Let's cheers to Sophia, man. Salute to Sophia. Uh, Chino XL as well, man. Chino XL. Let's salute to Chino X. Lord's. Ooh. Lord Sear. Lord Seer, bro. Rest in peace. Rest in peace to Lord Seer. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:42

But yeah, the four horse music. Yeah, y'all finally gave us that, man. You know, like, people talk about waiting for detox. I was waiting for that album all my life. It came out. I got it now. No, I listened to it. Oh, okay. But uh finally it took. Yeah, I'm like, man, I uh if but it was amazing. What what motivated y'all to finally say, hey, we're gonna give it to him?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:04

COVID. So we can never get it together for one reason or another. You know what I'm saying? It's very hard to be in a group. Um and that's not necessarily because you don't love each other, like each other. There's just obligations, you know, uh, when you're assigned to different labels, you get pulled in your directions, let alone different management. It's just hard to do it. And uh, which is by the way, I'd I'd be remiss if I didn't salute Slaughterhouse because they pulled off what we couldn't. We couldn't keep it together long enough to get one done. So what what actually happened was during COVID, um, bust and moves, you know what I'm saying? Because I cheated the system. I won't explain how. So I'm in Portugal, I'm all over, nigga. Gone. And then I came back home. Nigga, the flights was cheap as shit. I was like, right. Nigga, the streets was deep. I was crushing it. Nigga, doing COVID.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:06

I was like, I'm seeing the dolphins, the dolphins pulling up to you because ain't no more human traffic. Everything, but it was a big bird coming in, it's looking like Bambi.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:14

I promise, my selfish part of me was like, this should be LA forever. No traffic. It was so lit. So, so it was like, there ain't no clubs, no distractions. I got nothing but time. So I actually went to Federico. I got my hard drive because where I was at, uh, it was just more convenient to work where I was at. So Fed gave me all these files. I'm going through the files. Like, I'm working on what would eventually become Leopard Eat's face. Uh just doing shit. You know what I'm saying? Uh and I see this folder, Horseman. So it's all these unfinished records. I got killer priest, verse here, corrupt, hook, da da. So what I did was I was just like, well, it became a little project. Yeah. A little pet project. I was like, hey, fuck it. But I never told them. So I just started putting shit together, you know what I'm saying? I'm putting this over here, I'm taking this verse, whatever. So I'm just kind of Frankenstein and up this project. And then uh, and then I started personally reaching out to certain people and the producers or whatever. So I'm just like, um. I'm finally at a place where it's basically done. And we take a trip. I get a graphic person, he's an amazing person, uh, gifted glitch. So he does all the visuals, he puts the shit together, and we drive to Corrupt's house. We go to Corrupt's house, but we gotta like kind of that size of the album cover, right? Right. So it's almost like a presentation, like a little uh, what do they call it? Pinpoint or what they call it PowerPoint. PowerPoint presentation. And go to Corrupt House, I'm like, don't say shit. Uh put the shit on. So he can look at it. Right. He's like, what's this, cuz? Don't what's this? He like, this looks hard, cuz. I'm like, don't say shit. Play this. You know what I mean? And you know, he's still big, bro, too. And I just do it. I'm playing the whole thing. But we kind of procured a deal. Fat beats, thank you, whatever. But um, I've kind of not behind their back, but I've already just did it because of the son of, but my whole shit is like That's how you gotta do it. That's how you do it. I just took the, you know, I just had to do it. Right. Yeah. And so I did the same thing with Killer Priest. I put the fucking thing up, then I play the fucking music, and then I say, if you say yeah, I'm gonna sing you these many raps. And then niggas was like, the funny, the funnest and funnier. And you called it Don King. He got them right twice on Sundays. And so the funniest part was them niggas like hearing this shit, but in recontextualize. Like, like I said that, like, when? I was like, nigga, 10 years ago, bro, we got the fouls. You know what I'm saying? So this is what it is. And we did it for cannabis. We sent it to cannabis.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:09

I thought those were new raps on there, too. I'm tripping. Oh no, we added new.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:12

Cannabis was had to do new raps on there, right? Yeah, cannabis did new raps. But uh other people, like there's some new songs, but the majority of that record is what we did back then that we never got finished because the shit got bootlegged. There was fuck shit happening. So that was the stuff we just never got done. And then I, you know, we were able to put it together, um, new production on certain records, in in some instances, the actual original record. And um, yeah, man, it was so fun. So I actually say I called it the last ride, but I call it the this is our debut finale album.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:48

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:48

Like, I'm never gonna do this again.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:50

Debut finale.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:50

Yeah, this is our debut finale. I'm like, this is never gonna happen again. But at least, because if Slaughterhouse could at least do it twice, and we are the blueprint for the album, how come we can't just do it once? Just out of respect. And the the other thing that was supposed to happen, the only other thing that I would do is would be that I think would be awesome, would be Slaughterhouse Horseman, and I'm putting it out in the universe, it's called the Octagon.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:16

Ooh, and so the octagon.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:19

So two, so, so me and Royce, uh so-and-so, so-and-so. So-and-so, but it's all one record produced by DJ Premier. Well, but look, look, Friends Fallout, whatever, they're brothers. You know, we we all know them separately. I knew them when they didn't know each other. That's right. But they did something we couldn't get done. Thank God we got one done. They pulled off two. And uh I think that's the last. I would love to put that exclamation point. We get the slaughterhouse produced by DJ Premier. You might get run that shit.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:48

If you might, you might get them back on the same page for something like that. Well, I'm a fucked up person.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:52

I will put niggas on records that they don't know until the last minute. Well, let's go. Because I got my relationship. We need we need more raps from Joe Button. Bro, I I have put recently niggas on records that are not talking, and at some point when I'm ready to put the record out, I hope they're friends already, or I'm just gonna say, guess what? Stop right now. I'm putting it out. And you can be mad at I've learned something. I'd rather ask for forgiveness than permission now. Yeah. Fuck that. Fuck it. Because if if I don't have the gumption, like being too scared to do shit, like, you know, uh, I've been around people sometimes where I've, you know, I've had rap, you know, stars or whatever, and they we've been through that situation. Where it's just like, fuck that, man. We should be brothers, bro. Yeah. And I know people don't see eye to eye, but we ain't doing that shit. That's right. You know what I'm saying? Why don't we just be okay with each other or agree not to fuck with each other? But it ain't gotta be all kind of fucking beef shit. Just we should be cool. That's right. So, with me, if I got a relationship with you, especially if y'all was in a group, you're fucked. I'm gonna put y'all niggas. Cause my AR ear wants to hear what I want to hear as a fan. So my fan, fuck it, I put it out there, nigga. I put the loonies on the record when they were not friends, nigga. I did it. It's too late. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:13

I put the loonies for the podcast and I got half a loony. Nigga, what you mean you got half a loony? I got I got more than the loonies.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:20

I got all, nigga, I got a whole loony, nigga. I got a whole loony record. I'm sitting on. And I little by little, I was like, these niggas are gonna really not like me, bro. But shout out to Num, shout out to Yucky. I did the show with Yu. They made peace. And I and I I wish them, you know, I wish all brothers.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:41

Hey, let me land this plane. That's what Yuck kept saying. Let me land this plane. I've been saying that since I hung out with the nigga. You didn't know that? You we weren't saying that and in the That ain't in New York thing? No, let me land this plane. Oh shit. There's some shit when I when I hung out with him and um and Cuzzo Fly, them niggas was saying that shit. I thought Landon. Is Landon LA shit? Yeah, let me land this plane. Yeah, but no, let me land. Let me land, let me land, let me land. That shit got short and let me land, let me land.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:07

Right, let me land. I didn't I didn't I thought I didn't know where that came from. That's LA.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:12

I think it's just basically the West Coast thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:14

It's Bay. Yeah, it might be Bay.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:16

We're in SoCal. That's up North.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:18

Okay. That, yeah, sound like some fucking bait shit. Let me land. Yeah. But now, but now let me land explain. Yeah. Yeah. Nigga popping his web all that. Yeah. That sounds, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:29

Yeah, man. This is the last thing I want to ask you. Rockefeller Records caused a lot of controversy recently when the t-shirt, you seen that Family Tree T-shirt from Rockefeller? Have y'all seen that? They put out a Family Tree merch t-shirt in commemoration with the Reasonable Doubt uh re-releasing stuff. And it pretty much spells out like the whole Rockefeller hip-hop lineage. Like people that are associated, some people that were signed, some people that weren't. It goes all the way down to including like Big Sean, all types of people, right? The fans started complaining because they was like, yo, where's Twister on this shirt? You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_07 1:14:04

Twister was never signed to Rock.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:05

Well, he wasn't on rock, but it was like uh, it included so many people who were just generationally associated with rock. Put it like that.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:12

Um Big Sean was he signed the Rock Nation. Or he signed a Kanye. He was signing Kanye.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:18

It's the good music thing. You know what? They had different people associated through that. For the West Coast, it ain't too many brothers who didn't work with Wu Tang. Absolutely. You work with them multiple times. Where do you fit, in your opinion, into that family tree of things?

SPEAKER_07 1:14:34

I feel like you are Wu Tang.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:38

I was trying to walk into it without without me saying it. But we want to hear is the hip-hop nation right here. I am the spoiled little cousin, the little West Coast cousin.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:50

Wow. My demo record when I was talking about when Big I B paid me, my first song was called Remain Anonymous, and I used meth. You don't know me, and you don't know my style. So my white label that, you know, the flip side was Won't Catch Me Running, Tedra singing on that because we couldn't clear the sample when we wanted to sell it. The original version was Sade. Um, but uh yeah, so with them, Rizza, when we wanted to sell it, we had to clear it. And because Priest.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:17

I ain't clearing shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:18

That's what I call it. Oh, well later on, right? But but yeah, and then um Priest, apparently I put Rizza on to those two songs, and then Rizza cleared it. And so they've always given me, Riza's always giving me, they've always been super lovely, big brothers, and you know, them big tall motherfuckers and shit. So them goons, you know what I'm saying? With them gods, the gods. They just always so I think I fit in as like me and Killer Priest are brothers. Uh so the Sons of Man, Death. Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:51

62nd Assassin, Prodigal Son.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:54

Yeah, yeah. Peace and peace, son, bang bang. Yeah. I'm I'm I'm part of the we're the little bros.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:00

You know what? This record you got with respect to deck, I got that.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:04

That is a great example of adult contemporary rap. Yeah. Because everybody is having fun on that record. Everybody still sounds sharp, but everybody's relaxed on that record.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:15

Right. It feels good. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, shout out to the beat miners. They produced that.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:22

You know what I'm saying? Mr. Walt. Brooklyn. Yeah, man. You know, come on, man. I think that I didn't know that the beat miners made that record. That's probably what I resonate with. Come on, Brooklyn. BK all day. How you did that? Yeah, man. Man, this has been an honor and a pleasure. Your time means a lot to us, Rascast. And thank you for always coming out. We do this whether the cameras are on or not.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:45

Facts.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:46

And I love and appreciate you for that, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:48

Appreciate you. Thanks for having me. Let me ask you this. If life's a bitch, then ain't no bitch bad as mine. Bad as mine. No shortcuts to success. I had to stand in line. Ain't no love, this bloody Valentine's.

unknown 1:17:03

Big party home.