Eliminating Anger and Stress: Practical Strategies with Dr. Mort Orman

Summary
In this episode, Dr. Mort Orman shares his journey from a traditional medical doctor to an expert in stress and anger elimination. Discover practical insights on transforming stress, managing emotions, and integrating wellness into retreats and daily life.




Takeaways
Dr. Mort Orman's journey from traditional medicine to stress elimination expert
The difference between managing and eliminating stress and anger
The role of mindset and internal causes in emotional health
Transformational wellness retreats and their impact
Practical exercises for better listening and emotional awareness
The importance of understanding brain conditioning in stress management
How relationships are affected by internal emotional states
Strategies for integrating stress transformation into daily life


Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Dr. Mort Orman's Background
02:02 From Traditional Medicine to Stress and Anger Elimination
03:58 The Impact of Anger on Health and Relationships
06:07 The Power of Personal Development and Transformation
08:00 Designing Effective Wellness Retreats
10:00 Transformational vs. Management Approaches to Stress
12:00 The Role of Internal Causes in Stress and Anger
13:52 How to Achieve Lasting Emotional Change
15:58 Stress and Anger in High-Pressure Environments
17:55 Relationship Dynamics and Internal Triggers
19:53 Listening and Communication as Tools for Emotional Health
22:03 Simple Exercises That Lead to Big Changes
23:58 Quick Tips: Describing Anger and Managing Reactions
26:03 Final Thoughts and Future of Wellness Retreats


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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to All Things Retreat Podcast. I'm Holly Porter, your host and CEO of Retreat R and R. With over 25 years of experience in designing transformative retreats, I'm here to share insights and inspiration to help you create extraordinary experiences. Whether you're a pro or just starting out, you'll find valuable ideas here. Enjoy the ride. Let's dive in. Hi everyone. Welcome to the show. We're going to be having a great conversation with Dr. Mort Orman, and he is a board certified inner internal medicine physician and a 40-year anger and stress elimination expert, which I can say we probably all at some time need. He has written 26 books on how to eliminate anger and stress and help many people eliminate unwanted anger in their relationships after a divorce or at work. He also has been the official sponsor of National Stress Awareness Month every April in the US since 1992. Dr. Orma has led over 100 live workshops on how to eliminate anger and stress for entrepreneurs, doctors, lawyers, other professionals, the clergy, and even the FBI. So welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

Well, thanks for having me, Holly. That's one of my favorite topics to talk about.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

And he's a member of the International Retreat Association. Yay, we're excited to be a little bit more.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

New member.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

New member. Yeah. You're one of our newest members. So that's pretty exciting. If you don't know about that, y'all, this is being sponsored by International Retreat Association. So International Retreat Association.com. If you want to find out more, it's a uh association to help support the whole ecosystem of retreats. So super excited about it. This is our first year out, and our membership is officially open. So go check that out. And here we go. We're gonna just have a conversation today. And stress and was it stress and anger?

SPEAKER_00 1:57

Stress and anger and retreats.

SPEAKER_01 1:59

And retreats, yeah. All of it. They all well, I don't I don't want to put the anger part with retreats, but you know, we all we all need to have to deal with with all those things. Because I think we get the anger when we get the stress sometimes. It stresses us, right? Yes. So how do you go from being a traditional medical doctor that you are um practicing, that you were practicing, to leading anger and stress elimination expert and coach?

SPEAKER_00 2:24

Well, it started many years ago when I was a young man and I just uh did my medical training and opened up my practice. Um I I had a lot of anger. I had a lot of uh anxiety. Um I had tremendous public speaking fear. I mean, I would have never volunteered to do anything like this. I would have been just too nervous. Uh uh it would be a basket case, thinking about it, worrying about it, doing it. You know, so and then I had all kinds of because of the trouble with anger and other emotions, uh, all my relationships with women failed one after another. Um and uh, you know, I was really, I mean, I was very good at helping people with their problems, you know, my patients and other people with their problems, but I really couldn't figure out how to deal with these recurring emotional problems that I was experiencing. I would get angry frequently, uh, triggered very easily, um, uh out of get out of control, and I didn't like that feeling. And I and I I did a gazillion things to try to stop it, but nothing helped. Or maybe it just helped for a little bit, but you know, every day I would wake up, I'd be the same angry guy, yeah, you know, uh, which is interesting because I was born on Groundhog's Day. February 2nd is my birthday. And it literally felt like that, you know. It's like no matter what I tried, and I tried the standard uh anger elimination stuff, the standard stress management stuff or anger management stuff. They didn't have anger elimination back then. Um anger management stuff. And uh I even went into therapy for several years to try and deal with it. You know, didn't really stop me from being angry. But uh and I really didn't think if you'd have if you'd walked up to me during those years and said, Do do you ever think there'd be a time when you didn't have all this anger and you weren't angry? I said, I just think that's in the that's just my personality, that's just how I how I've been, you know, living my life and I don't see it changing. You know, I really could not see it changing. Um but what was interesting is I was taking care of patients. Um and and when you have a large number of patients you're taking care of, you know, as a doctor, you can usually spot the people with an angry disposition from the ones that don't. And you get to see what happens to people over time. You know, so I I saw that a lot of bad things happened to more so happened to the angry people. They have more heart attacks and strokes and other diseases, and they would get addicted to things, uh, or get thrown in jail or have legal problems, or uh and then they'd come in, they tell you, you know, they that they're they got divorced or their kids won't talk to them, or they got fired from their job because they blew up at somebody or something. So you just see this train wreck and you're sitting there as a young man with your own anger. Most of my patients were in their 60s and 70s when I took over this practice. And I'm in my 20s, I'm in my uh late 20s, early 30s, and I'm thinking to myself, I don't want to end up like this, you know. So that that drove me into that drove me into doing personal development work, which which a lot of busy doctors don't make the time for, but I I did. And I did a couple years of that and I and I did a lot of programs and I eventually pieced things together and eventually figured out what the hell was going on that I didn't understand. And that hadn't they don't teach in medical school and I didn't learn in therapy and all the other, you know, self-help stuff that I did. It it was it was very um life-changing, you know, to say the least, yeah. Um, to really figure out where my stress was coming from, where my emotions were coming from, where the anger, the anxiety, the public speaking fear, the relationship failures, all that stuff that I was experiencing, where it was actually coming from, and it was coming from a different place than I originally thought it was coming from. And that's what really surprised me. And then once I kind of got hold of the missing puzzle pieces, so to speak, it's like, okay, now I can I can sort of try and solve this problem. Now now I now I see what I was missing before, and now I have some direction, and now I have a new direction that I think I can uh try, and it and it worked great. I was able to finally get a handle on these problems, and I've been teaching people how to do it, what I learned 40 years ago, uh writing about it, doing seminars, workshops, um, ever since. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:18

Yeah, that's great. Well, and helping a lot of people, I think it's amazing how much personal development people don't think they don't realize how much I can help them. And they think, I don't know, it's changed my life when I I didn't start doing it until about 20 years ago. But boy, it's mindset's everything. I definitely wouldn't have lived through my COVID experience in the hospital for 70 days if I would have had a different mindset than I did.

SPEAKER_00 6:41

Yeah, I'm sure that made a difference. Yeah. For sure.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

Yeah. Um what do you think is your vision for wellness retreats and vacations in the future?

SPEAKER_00 6:51

Yeah, I th I've always thought that this would be perfect. The kind of firstly, people, a lot of people go on vacation to de-stress.

SPEAKER_01 6:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

You know, they're they're in a stressful situation or occupation or whatever, and they figure they go away, you know, for a week or two and they'll de-stress, and then that'll help them. You know, but but usually what happens is, and that may happen, they go on vacation, they feel good, they relax, you know, hopefully bad things don't happen. And they uh but they come back home and they're right back in the pressure cooker again, you know, within a couple days. They're back, you know, into similar stress levels than before they left. And they didn't they didn't learn anything on vacation to make a difference in in their stress levels when they come back. And I've always thought that's a shame. If your goal is to is to have less stress and you're going on vacation, why not combine relaxing and having a good time with a with a great educational experience, not in not in managing stress, because that usually doesn't really give people the results they're looking for, but in actually, you know, how can I go on vacation and come back? And I don't, I'm not generating all the stress that I generated before. I understood I've I learned while I was on vacation where my stress was coming from, how I was contributing to it, specifically so that I could, you know, get my hands on the controls and turn it on and off whenever I wanted to. And I've always thought that was a a missed opportunity because you know, these principles aren't being taught in schools, they aren't being taught in traditional education, corporate education. You know, the uh I was in corporate for 15 years after I uh uh stopped practicing. And uh we had a lot of programs, uh a lot of the personal development type programs, productivity-related programs, but they didn't really get at these issues. You know, I I was able to teach some of my uh material in our corporate environment. Um, so that was kind of unique for our company. But most most of the traditional stuff that we were getting pitched, you know, we'll come in and do a program on resilience, we'll come into a program on stress for your employees. It it was not life-changing for most of those people.

SPEAKER_01 8:47

Well, I'm curious, I think this is a missed opportunity maybe for some coaches or consultants or whatever they are. Um, when you go, it's like, you know, the they said they a lot of people, me, upset it, you need a vacation from the vacation. You know, so you get this break and then you come back, and it's so chaotic because maybe the planning beforehand wasn't well enough, or you left you left a longer period than maybe allowed your business to run but without you. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

But I'm just 2,000 emails waiting for you.

SPEAKER_01 9:19

Yeah, yeah. I'm just let's talk, let's talk to that. Because even going on a retreat, you go on a retreat, you're having this transformation, you're coming back, you're all relaxed, boom, life hits you again, and it's back to the grain. Let's talk about that kind of a scenario. What would you suggest a person could do to not get into that?

SPEAKER_00 9:36

Well, the problem is a lot of it, I mean, there's the whole wellness travel, you know, movement, you know, it's been going on for a while. And so they're coupling, people are coupling uh vacations uh with educational programs. So you can learn good cooking classes, you can learn yoga, you can there's stress management, there's all kinds of relaxation techniques and fitness type things, you all that, you know, diet, all that you can uh you can do that, but a lot of it is not transforming. Because transform when trans when you transform, you come out of the thing and you're a different person.

SPEAKER_01 10:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

You see the world differently, or you see the problem differently. And you never and and it's so it's so big a shift in your in your understanding of the source of whatever the difficulty is, you never go back to the old way of thinking about it. You're like permanently altered.

SPEAKER_01 10:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:25

And that's real transformation. Like, for example, when I went to medical school, you know, I I I walked in the first day. I I remember that first day very vaguely. You walk in the first day, and you don't know the first thing about, you know, how to take care of patients, how to diagnose anything, treat anything. You're you're just a, you know, from a physician standpoint, you're a blank slate. And then you come out four years later and you you did a whole bunch of stuff. And now you've got all these uh distinctions, you've got all these uh uh all this knowledge, you've got all these skill sets, uh, you know how to diagnose things, you know how to separate what you know one thing from another and argue for why one uh condition might be more likely than another. You've got all this experience and knowledge, and you can do stuff now. You know, you can do minor surgery or major surgery, you can do you can take care of people in emergency rooms, you can you're you're a different human being because you uh put yourself in an environment where that's what was happening. You really transform.

SPEAKER_01 11:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

And it's true. I mean, you go you go into any new job, yeah, the same thing's gonna happen. You know, you walk in, you have no idea what's going on or how to function in the role that you're in. And then you learn and you apprentice and you get, you know, you get help from people. And you come out, you know, a year later, you're a different person. You you you see this, see things differently, you understand things differently. That's for me, that's what transformation is. So if you're going to a stress program, let's say, and you just get a couple techniques, you haven't changed, you haven't changed. Your understanding of stress hasn't changed. Your understanding of where it's coming from hasn't changed. You know, you just now have a few things to, you know, de-stress and make yourself feel better in the short run, but you're still generating internally, you're still generating the stress and you don't know how because nobody, while you're away or on that program, nobody ever showed you how to do it. And and and so this for me that's missing in a lot of these programs. Even if you marry a stress management program with a vacation or a retreat, it all depends on the quality of the program and does it really transform people. And most of them, unfortunately, don't. And and that's that's why I'm really uh interested in in true transformational wellness programs that you can couple with because it's a great opportunity. You got people there, they're they're you know, well, you're not gonna fill you you have a lot of dead time in a in a vacation where you could could be using it productively.

SPEAKER_01 12:41

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 12:41

You know, to learn something valuable that that will change your life going going home. Plus have a good time.

SPEAKER_01 12:47

You know, always gotta have a good time.

SPEAKER_00 12:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

So you use the word eliminate anger and stress, not just manage them. What's the difference between managing stress and actually eliminating it?

SPEAKER_00 12:59

Well, the best the best way I've heard of thinking about it is um managing stress is like putting a leash on a wild animal. You're still stuck with the wild animal.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

And it's dragging you around, it's it's causing all kinds of trouble. Um, anger elimination is figuring out how that wild animal got into your life in the first place so that you can kick it the hell out and get rid of it, you know, and it's not bothering you anymore. So uh another another way of another way of saying that same thing is when most of uh stress management deals with just the symptoms of whatever's going on. So, yeah, you may feel a little bit better. I mean, you can do the same thing, drinking alcohol, taking drugs, not that I'm recommending that, but I'm just saying a lot of people do. Yeah. Uh some people go shopping to relieve stress, you know, whatever it is. Um so uh you can make yourself feel better in the short run, but the question is how much stress are you going to generate the next day? And if it's the answer is the same, then you really need to address the causes, usually that are inside of us. Yeah. What our brain is doing, you know, how we're kind of automatically programmed to look at things and behave in certain ways, which is contributing to our problems that we're calling stress. And um and and I found people need a complete overhaul of their understanding of stress. Like everything we've been taught is really not correct and not help, not all that helpful. And I've been singing that song for over 40 years and writing about it. But the the amount of stress management, the stress management mindset is so huge, you know, that no matter how you know how much you say that there's it's it's wrong or it's inaccurate, it's it's the thing that people have been conditioned to believe. And uh you have to really get them in an environment where you have some time to spend where you can really teach people, hey, this is this is what you've been told about stress, this is why it's not really true and helpful, and here's a better way to think about it, better way to understand it that will really empower you in your life to be able to do something about it. That that's the kind of stuff that I get excited about delivering. And and you can do it in a five, seven, ten-day, you know, vacation very easily with you know, an hour, hour and a half a day or something like that. Uh and it's also it's also needed for retreat organizers. I mean, there's a tremendous amount of stress in in that, any kind of big event planning. Sure is matter whether it's a vacation or not, but I mean uh wedding planning, you know, three-day, you know, presentation planning, any any of those and management, any of those events can be very stressful because there are a lot of moving parts, a lot of things can go wrong, a lot of worries, concerns.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

So true.

SPEAKER_00 15:32

Yeah. So so having a different or a better understanding of stress for stress retreat leaders and retreat uh organizers is just as important as you know the people that come for that, you know, that that's what they're purchasing, you know, for for their package.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

Well, you gotta, as a leader, you've got to hold it together. You're there to hold space for all of your attendees. So I have to say, I do I do de-stress shopping. I I do like that, I have to say.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

Nothing wrong with it. I enjoy it.

SPEAKER_01 16:04

And you know what? I'm a fast shopper, like I am a quick decision maker, so I do color analyzing, so I know exactly what I can wear and what color fits and it looks good on me. So it's like I just I'm so quick, but it does de-stress me. Anyway, oh I shouldn't have probably admitted that, but I did. So there you go. Well, okay, why do you think the anger shows up so strongly in our closest relationships?

SPEAKER_00 16:28

Well, we're just well, firstly, you got think about a relationship. You got two human beings that spend the first 18, 20 some years of their life living as in as as uh individuals, right? Pursuing their individual goals, desires, wants, needs. And that's how their brain gets conditioned to function for the first 18, 20 years of your life. And then you you put them together in a relationship, and and you've got two of these things that are programmed to pursue their own needs and desires and everything, and they're forced into a situation where they have to start taking into consideration the other person now, their wants and needs. But you're constantly your brain's programmed to be an individual.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

And it doesn't change that fast. Okay, so so in the beginning of the relationships, you're gonna be bumping into each other, you're gonna be having conflicts, you know, you're gonna have one taste or desire, and they're gonna have the other person's gonna have another. You're gonna do things one way, they're gonna do things another, you're gonna trigger them, they're gonna trigger you, then you're gonna get defensive, then you're that's gonna trigger this got all this triggering going on. And and it causes causes a lot of anger and resentment, disappointment, you know, expectations come into play. Those are all internal causes. You know, when you're sitting around with expectations, you know, particularly when you get in a relationship, as soon as you get in a relationship, there's expectations that click in. A lot of times we don't consciously take stock of them, you know, but they're there in the background. And then when they get violated, per the other person behaves in a way that doesn't fit your picture or your expectation, then you get upset with them. And then your feeling of love and admiration and respect for that person goes down a little bit, and then it keeps happening over and over again. It just keeps eroding. And then after a while, you're looking at that person and you you forgot about why you were attracted to them in the first place.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

Yeah. And I think when you get to that point of no return, that's and it can get there, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because it's hard to recover from that place. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

It really is. Yeah. I mean, been there done that.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

When you let it go that far, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

Yeah. I I you just it's a communication issue at that point most of the time.

SPEAKER_00 18:31

But when it's not really, it's not I mean the communication's involved, but um it's more of an understanding problem because again, we don't understand what's happening to us. We don't understand why we're getting upset. We think we do. That's the problem. We we we we're oh I'm I'm upset because you did X, Y, and Z, or you didn't do X, Y, or Z, or I wanted you to do this and you didn't, or you know, all that kind of stuff. The the behavior of the other person seems to be the reason. But actually, a lot of it has to do with how our brain is processing things, how our brain is conditioned to think about things and behave in certain ways that cause problems, and we don't see it. And so we don't really we don't consider those causes. You know, we just consider the obvious ones in the other people or outside of us. And that's that's part of the big transformation. When you really understand stress, you have to take your role into consideration. You can't pretend it doesn't exist, which is what most people do, you know.

SPEAKER_01 19:26

One of my mentors always told me, listen to understand. And I never quite until now, I just was like, I didn't understand what that really meant.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

And and it's like been a light bulb moment for me lately, is oh a lot of times we listen, a lot of times we l we think we're listening, and we're actually not listening to under to hear or or pro understand. We're listening to figure out what we're gonna say next or what what's the point that we want to make, or you know, what when are they gonna stop talking so I can say what I want to say? And you know, so we're really listening to what we want to do and not to really just, hey, let me put that all that aside for a few moments and just really be present with this person and really hear what they're saying, really hear where they're coming from, really just kind of really uh understand deeply, and then I can worry about what I want to say or if I want to say anything, you know, or who knows what. But but a lot of times our our listening is not really good listening.

SPEAKER_01 20:18

Yeah, that's so true. Okay, you ready for someone?

SPEAKER_00 20:22

That's an example of an internal cause of uh a problem in a relationship, let's say, or a communication breakdown. It's internal, it's not so much external. It's how we uh our brain is just automatically puts us in that mode. And we don't notice, we don't often notice it. You know?

SPEAKER_01 20:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:38

It's funny. I did a I did a uh a friend of mine who was at Harvard. We were both into we were both internal medicine doctors into teaching people about stress. We got hired to do a weekend course for the ear nose and throat surgeons at uh Barnes Hospital in St. Louis, big famous hospital. Okay. So we had these uh 15 or so earnose and throat surgeons who were forced to be there by by their chief of the department. A lot of them didn't want to be there, um, but they were there. And so we were doing this doctor-patient communication thing. And we had this simple exercise where we paired them up and we and we said you each you each get two minutes to talk and we take turns. But the person who's listening cannot say anything. You have to wait until this it's your turn, then you get to talk for two minutes, and the other person listens for two minutes. So they did that simple exercise and they all sort of had fun doing it. And then we debriefed afterwards about well, did anybody have any insights? Did you have any, what'd you think of it, what'd you notice? And this one guy who was like one of the most irritated guys about having to be there, he raised his hand and he said, You know what? I said, I realized from this exercise, I never listen. I'm constantly thinking about you know what I'm gonna do, what I need to say. I I never listened. And you know what he did? Every time we had a break, this was in the hospital, the course was in the hospital, and they had paid a lot of these doctors had patients in. Hospital, we were in beds in the hospital. Uh, every time we had a break, he would run upstairs and he would go to one of the uh rooms for his patients and he'd sit on the bedside and he'd just listen to them. Oh just practice listening. He's like this new thing he discovered.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

I love that. What a big discovery, though. That's a nice aha.

SPEAKER_00 22:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was a simple little exercise. You would think it's like, well, you you know, nothing's gonna nothing momentous is gonna come from this little game we're playing here for two for four minutes.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

No, but look what that probably did to shift his life. His life probably looks different after that. Those are those aha's that can be simple but big. And it and maybe he was the only one that transformed in there, but you know what? One person to me is one person. That's okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:43

No, I think the others others got a lot of benefit too. But I mean, this guy really I rem it just was so dramatic. I remember, you know, many years ago. I remember him doing that.

SPEAKER_01 22:50

That's a great exercise. Yeah, okay. I got a couple rapid fire here for you. Um what's one word you would use to describe anger?

SPEAKER_00 23:00

Mostly mostly unnecessary, hyphenated.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

Best first step when someone feels triggered.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

Um, pause before you do say or do anything.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

Okay. A habit that creates more peace.

SPEAKER_00 23:12

Forgiving.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

A habit that makes anger worse.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

Um wanting to retaliate.

SPEAKER_01 23:17

And what's one question people should ask before reacting?

SPEAKER_00 23:21

It's a tough one. Um, is what my brain is telling me to believe true?

SPEAKER_01 23:27

Oh, I love that. It's my brain. Okay. Telling me what to believe is true. I love that. Ah, that's great.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

And if you if you explore that deeply and you know what questions to ask, you'll find out a lot of times when we get emotional, whether it's anger or any other, you know, strong emotion, a lot of times our brain has tricked us into thinking something's true when it's not. And we don't see any of that happening. That's all invisible.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:50

So unless somebody really shows you in detail, A, that it happens and B exactly how it happens, um, it's hard to defend yourself against that. But that's what I help people do is understand what their brain's doing to them when they get angry or have any other emotions or any other type of stress. Um, there are things going on that they're not seeing that and when they start to see them, uh, it makes a big difference. Just like this guy wasn't seeing that he didn't listen.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:19

But he clearly wasn't listening.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Well, I hope all our listeners have picked up a couple tips about maybe getting anger and having stress and hopefully having some tips to have less of that. But we are gonna put all your information in the show notes so that our listeners can go check out your website and social medias and and get a hold of you that way. And we just appreciate you coming and sharing some of your wisdom. And hopefully we'll see you at one of our events for the International Retreat Association. And we've talked about you even being one of the speakers and doing a workshop about stress. So Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

And maybe more people will consider, you know, incorporating this kind of wellness program into their retreats because I think it would be attractive. They'll probably get more people attending because they'll want to get these kind of transformational benefits around stress and emotions and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 25:05

Yeah, and we really want to create, you know, some good workshops and things like that at our live events, especially where they can get these skills, hone in on these skills because we all we all need skills.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 25:16

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