Say More about Easter!

This week we discuss questions submitted about the Sunday morning teaching at Fullerton Free Church on Easter Sunday, April 5th 2026. Spoiler alert for those who have taught their children that the Easter Bunny is real. Sorry about that.

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:24

Hi everybody and welcome to the Say More Podcast. It's always fun to play the song at the beginning that if you listen to this all the time, just sounds like the intro song. But for someone who clearly has never listened to it before, Jerry, you're like, wow, that's a cool song. Yeah, thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. I'm Darren McWatters. I'm one of the hosts of the Say More Podcast. I'm here with my friend Kyle Kirschner. Hi, I'm Kyle Kirschner. I'm one of the people here today. And I'm also here with my friend Jerry Owens. Hello. It's his first time on Fullerton Free Podcast. Jerry. Welcome, Jerry. First time caller, longtime listener. That's not true. I know it's not true. We've already proven that that's just literally the first sentence you said on the podcast was alive. Nice work. Good job. That's what I mean. Way to start. We made it. Jerry is what's your official title at the church, Jerry? I'm so excited to learn this. Oh, is it? I don't want to guess. Go for it. No, go for it. I was gonna say, isn't this chief financial officer? But that seems too formal. That's not like a big thing. It's more like a Billy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:26

What's your what's your title? Billy budget. Director of Finance? Um Director, director of accounting.

SPEAKER_02 1:31

Accounting. There's no accounting for titles. That's true. Well, no, there is. Oh, wait. I mean, there is an accounting for titles.

SPEAKER_03 1:39

Sorry. Um Jerry's one of those guys that, um, if I may say, like you could come to our church for a long time and not necessarily meet him as a staff member. You don't do necessarily a ton so far on stage or whatever, but you experience the benefit of his wisdom and his shepherding and his guidance and leadership. Like you experience it all the time because of all the ways you're contributing to our ministry and our church, kind of behind the scenes. If somebody walked the hallway, they would see you. But if that, you know, like on a Sunday, they might not know you. But we at as like church staff adore you and are so glad you're on the team. And you're making me blush.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

Well, what an intro. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:17

Darren just said this is Kyle, my first pick. Well, I did say you're my friend. That's not nothing. That's not nothing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

But Jerry, why?

SPEAKER_03 2:26

Um, I think I've said nice things about you before at some point. Yeah. Maybe not on a recording. I don't want to be, yeah, I don't want to be. You don't want to be tied to it.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

You can't get a big head. That's what it is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:36

I do think there is a slight difference in that you are on stage. I am. So, like a kind of and you're kind of in these like public-facing ministries. So people, well, I mean, they don't all like you, but they know they know you. Right. Right, yeah. Whereas with Jerry, they might be like, who's and that's like, I get why that is, but also I felt like it was important to for the listener at home to know how much we love Jerry.

SPEAKER_02 3:00

Well, we do. And uh from the rest of the staff, I mean, that it is a common feeling of gosh, we are blessed that Jerry Owens is on our staff. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 3:11

Katie's not here this week because she is trying to uh help to open the Strait of Hormouth. So that's nice. We're really excited. Thank you, Katie. I don't know. I didn't know that she knew anything about like uh diplomacy, or maybe it's uh she might be able to remove water-based landmines. I'm not sure. Do they call them landmines? Well, water water, water, my mind water. Um turns out Katie's real good at fixing what's broken over this. She's quite the ship captain she is. Yes. So we'll be happy to have her back, and we'll also be happy to have that all wrapped up by the weekend. Katie for this week, we appreciate it. Um, the Seymour podcast. There it is. Uh, three minutes and fifty seconds in. The Seymour podcast is a weekly podcast at Fullerton Free where we uh discuss and answer questions about the previous week's teaching. This is an interesting episode because last Sunday, April 5th, was Easter Sunday. Whoa. So this technically is the podcast episode where we're discussing questions that were submitted about the message from Easter. Yeah. Do you guys remember Easter? I do. It was just a couple days ago. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:15

What do you guys do big Easter stuff in in your family, Jury?

SPEAKER_01 4:19

Um, you know, it always like looks a little different each year, but it's always family related, family oriented. Um, so it was really fun. Our um the girls were able to we've got two two kiddos, um, both girls, and their cousin was able to come over and um they were able to do Easter egg hunting. They're all old enough now where that's a you know a fun thing. You can start hiding them in a little more creative places and wait, you hide them, is what you just said.

SPEAKER_03 4:45

Spoiler alert for the parents at home. I didn't let your kids in the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

Whoa, Jerry just ruined the Easter Bunny for everyone.

SPEAKER_03 4:52

Wait, people hide them like actually, I'm just noticing that you ruined it for Kyle. He was like, what do you mean you hide them?

SPEAKER_02 5:00

I didn't I thought the Easter Bunny just hated me.

SPEAKER_03 5:06

So sorry. It's not the Easter Bunny who hates you, it's your parents. They didn't hide any eggs for you. No, so so two, like two whammies right here for you, Kyle. Number one, the Easter bunny's not real, and your parents didn't hide the egg for you. That's a real slam dunk.

SPEAKER_02 5:20

Yay, Easter. Nice work, Jerry. Um, it was my first Easter here at Fullerton Free. Your first Easter. That's cool. Just became a Christian. I loved it here. Like, I was telling someone at the Good Friday service. I like it was so different than anything I've ever experienced in a Good Friday service before. Like it was so moving, and I felt like the art with the music. Like, I felt like I felt the anxiety and like cacophony of that night. You know, like it was beautiful. I I was telling Christina, I was like, I feel like I get you more now. Like, I understand your like creativity, like, because I was like, this was just beautiful. So I love that. The sunrise here in the morning was so cool. And we actually got a sunrise, which was nice. So like, how did we know it was gonna happen at that time, you know? But there it was, and uh, it was beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 6:16

And we have connections with astronomers.

SPEAKER_02 6:19

Is that what Katie's that's why she's opening the street to get those astronomers through?

SPEAKER_03 6:24

They told us what time the sun would come up on Easter in exchange for Katie coming over to help them with the Strait of War.

SPEAKER_02 6:30

Well, this is a win-win.

SPEAKER_03 6:31

Um, it was awesome.

SPEAKER_02 6:32

It was a great day. Yeah, yeah, agreed.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

All right, so serious question, Kyle. Yeah, do you say happy Good Friday?

SPEAKER_02 6:40

We kept trying to figure that out. So as people were walking into service, I just kept going, and a good Friday to you, and a good Friday to you. And the It's right there in the name. Yeah, I feel like it took all the effort away from me.

SPEAKER_03 6:52

So thank you. Well, the message from Easter. Oh, yeah, you did one. There were a couple, there were a couple. There's one at the daybreak service, which I won't recap now, but that was uh, you know, that was mostly about well, yeah, I I said I wouldn't recap it. The one in the main services was called Running Free, and it was based out of John 20, uh, like one through eighteen or one through twenty. And uh the idea was we were looking at the the running that takes place in that Easter story. So as a focal point, we looked at both Mary and Peter and John running to the tomb. We took some time to sort of speculate and think about what was their motivation, like the urgency and what was driving them, and then pivoted to talk about the fact that while all of us run, you know, we're all chasing particular things, we run towards the things we desire and away from the things we fear. Um that because of Jesus, like each of the three of them, whether they're pursuing greater affection or reconciliation, or whether they're running out of fear and anxiety and frustration, um in meeting the risen Jesus, all of those expectations are satisfied, and then he sets them free to run to be ambassadors or couriers of peace. So not only does he speak peace over them, but then he calls them to carry on his message. So then there's still a running like post-resurrection, but that running is a running to carry peace to the world as opposed to carrying all the fear or the anxiety or whatever. So that was kind of the gist of the message on Sunday.

SPEAKER_02 8:20

It was awesome. The baptisms were so cool fitting in with the service.

SPEAKER_03 8:25

It was just a great time. Yeah, yeah, it was a good Sunday or a good whole weekend. It was a good whole weekend.

SPEAKER_02 8:29

So we have some questions. We have a few questions. The first one is uh speaking of running, when is the last time any of you three ran and for what purpose? That's a good question. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:38

Uh I ran in 1988. Okay. Uh I was visiting Los Angeles on a school trip. Yeah. And uh there was a guy across the street who kind of came out of an alley and then he was running, and then another guy came out of the alley behind him and was chasing him. Yeah. And the second guy was carrying a knife. Oh, and I ran away from that whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 8:59

From the whole thing.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

I just ran a different direction from that whole yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:02

So 1988, so recently. It's been a little bit. I ran for uh sixth grade class president and lost. Um but I ran. So that was not nothing. That was not nothing. I did it. Who beat you? Do you remember? Nope.

SPEAKER_03 9:16

It wasn't that traumatic.

SPEAKER_02 9:18

It wasn't, nope, nope. It was uh you know, I don't think I voted for myself because I felt like that was wrong, but this is probably a different uh episode for me to really look into that. Yeah, all right, that's fine.

SPEAKER_03 9:28

I I just want to say if we were doing class presidents in the office, I would vote for you.

SPEAKER_02 9:32

Aww, thank you. I don't think I would run against this office. Um no, our first real question that was just me.

SPEAKER_03 9:40

Jerry didn't say when he ran last night. He looked at me like he didn't want to answer.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

I was gonna say, I was gonna say I ran into the car this morning. Oh, you did? I did. But you have a bad knee. I do. I realized about five steps in it wasn't wasn't a good idea. Yeah. Go easy. Yeah, go easy. All right.

SPEAKER_03 9:55

Um, first question is you just poured coffee all down the front of you. And and then went straight into the question. Like, no one would notice, but Jerry and I are sitting here with you. You you missed your mouth.

SPEAKER_01 10:09

You poured coffee and you missed your mouth. I I think that's why the sweaters are brown. A brown sweater? No one's gonna know.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

No, uh it was just now everyone knows that I have a problem.

SPEAKER_03 10:22

I'm sorry. A drinking problem.

SPEAKER_02 10:24

Real coffee problem here. Okay, sorry. All right, first question is this um as you were sharing uh from that gospel story, it uh so I'm paraphrasing them just for uh you know great clarity's like we don't always say the names and all that because we want to yeah. Um how do you handle kind of the slightly different timelines that are told about the resurrection story? It seems like if you look at each of the gospels, they're all slightly different, you know, um, in the way that they share it. How do you deal with that? Like, what are your thoughts about this?

SPEAKER_03 10:54

Do you who wants to go first? Do you want me to go? Jerry, you want to go, Jerry?

SPEAKER_01 10:58

I I can go. Um what I actually I love that there's there's four different pictures of the gospel. Um, and they're they're written by very different people. Um and um so I actually brought with me the I got this little handy synoptic gospel comparison. Sorry, that's a that's called a book of Mormon. You're holding a book of Mormon.

SPEAKER_03 11:21

Right, yeah, yeah. That you can't use I we should have told you before you came on the show. You can't use books. No, books are fine. Uh-huh. That book, that book you can't use.

SPEAKER_02 11:30

I'm just share away, Jerry. I've got this really interesting. No, I don't know what's it.

SPEAKER_03 11:36

Yeah, right. Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 11:39

Sorry, go ahead. Um, so I, you know, had the the death of Jesus uh pulled up here, you know, because I want to be uplifting, happy stuff. Um but I think it's uh um I think it's a really good picture of just how each approach is a little different. And um, Mark, it's so matter-of-fact, it it you know, it just kind of reads out. And um here, I'll just take the the end here. It says, um Yeah, it said um one uh one ran, starting to the people that were there, filling a sponge full of vinegar, put it on a reed, and gave it to him to drink, um, saying, wait, let's see whether he's gonna come, uh whether Elijah's gonna come down, because he'd just been calling out. And Jesus uttered a loud cry and breathed his last, and the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. And then when the centurion who was stood facing him saw that he breathed his last, he said, This man was the son of God. Which is cool, but you know, it's worth noting the centurion couldn't see the curtain being torn down. So um, so in Mark, the picture that you have is you know, Jesus breathed his last, and the centurion says, Oh, this this is this is proof that this guy's the son of God. Matthew feels like he may have read that and said, Maybe we need a little bit more. And so with Matthew, you get um Jesus yielding up his spirit after he cried out in a loud voice, and then the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom, and then the earth shook, the rocks were split, the tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection, and um then the centurion, after that goes on, he says, Um, to the two that were with him keeping watch over Jesus, and saw that the earthquake and what took place said, Truly this was the Son of God. And so, you know, with each of the gospel, um, we get a different picture of of God, uh, Jesus, his works, um, and they take some creative liberties with how they arrange it, what they choose to share, you know, with Mark. I find myself wondering, like, sometimes, oh, why did he tell us that the grass was green, but he doesn't tell us more about like what's going on with this nigerian here, what else is going on in in the you know, the world around. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:59

Well, they weren't all written at the same time. So there's a couple things to factor in, even to to extend expand, no, expand on what you're saying. Um you know, like Luke and Matthew certainly would have had the opportunity to look at Mark's gospel time-wise, so they would have been able to say, like, oh, I like what he did there, but also he left out this part that's important to me and my community, or to the group of people, like they're in some cases writing with different emphases, and they're writing in some cases to slightly different audiences, and so we get these different perspectives that are sometimes difficult to like synchronize, but it's because they're sharing with us like different aspects that they think are important to emphasize for the particular audience they're writing to, and also because some time has transpired between the writings of these gospels, so the authors have the ability, like John writes latest of all, and like John's account of the birth of Jesus is almost non-existent, like he does it in sort of metaphorical ways, but I think that's because he looks at it and says, These guys already did justice to that story about the shepherds and the wise men and whatever. I'm gonna jump to the core thing. So the gospels, um, they give us like different facets of the same thing, and so there's a sense of well, I think it's also important to say that like to a Hebrew audience, they weren't concerned with literalism, like the way that like modern audiences are. So when we see things that don't seem like they align, we get kind of panicked. But an ancient audience uh would have been like, no, they're they're trying to communicate a point about the fact, like all four of the gospels say Jesus died, that he was buried, that he rose again, and that he visited people after he rose. So like there are places where they overlap and align, but there are different, there are other things that are different. And to the original audience, those early Christians that were reading these stories, they wouldn't have thought, like, well, this doesn't literally line up. They would have said, like, oh, Jesus died, was buried, rose again, and showed himself to people in the crowd. So it's like um, we get kind of hung up on like how do these all go together in the same way that we can sometimes get hung up on the way the Bible talks about scientific things that we think differently about now than they would have in the original time. But the original audiences that were reading these scriptures, they just didn't think of scripture as needing to be as literal as sometimes we make it out to be, too.

SPEAKER_02 16:19

So the freedom that I got in my like faith when I understood that point was huge. Like it gave me to be like, oh, I'm looking for the point here. I'm looking for why is this story here? Why did they choose to write it down at all, instead of that word though, could mean this, and so that could mean something, and just knowing that that's not who was reading it and who it was written to, gosh, there's like a simplicity that came from that that just gave me so much freedom and in how I read it because I'm able to just look for what is it saying and not yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:52

When you think about like rabbinical writing, even like BC rabbinical writing, they actually really enjoyed reveling in looking at a story, looking at the story of Abraham or looking at the story of Isaac, and coming at it from a bunch of different angles and giving different interpretations, and that was customary for a Jewish audience. So, like the idea that you could have multiple perspectives on a thing was was very normal. We we've kind of in some ways we've drifted from that, but we it's much easier to look at the places where the gospel seemed, you know, like was Mary by herself, or like to take the Easter story, was she by herself, or did she have people with her? Was there one angel or two angels? Was Jesus first showing up in Jerusalem or in Galilee? Or, you know, like all of those things that don't quite line up. We go, like, how could these all be? And there are some scholars who would say, like, no, they they are all true. It's just you have to line the timeline up, and they'll do a bunch of gymnastics to like show it all on one linear timeline. But you don't actually have to do all of that work to say, well, these are four different people who wrote it four different times to four different audiences, and they had four different emphases, but the core of the story is exactly the same, right?

SPEAKER_02 18:01

You know, yeah. So um, on a completely different note, I we have a spreadsheet that we uh have all these questions on. Yeah, Katie just logged into it right now. I think that she is missing us. I'm taking it as uh where she is in the world right now. How does she even have us? Did she write a question? No, she didn't add any questions. She's just looking at the sheet right now. Hi, Katie. Um, okay. Second question is this. Um, speaking of the whole Easter story, you know, Jesus' death and resurrection. Uh and this is how it goes. Um, this is a bit of a random question, but my four almost five-year-old was asking, not me. This is I didn't write this question because I don't have a four-almost five-year-old. This was submitted to us. As asking about Jesus dying on the cross for our sins and why he had to die. They kept saying, but how does Jesus dying get rid of sin? Like, how does he do it? Where does the sin go? Um, how do we respond? Like, if you were teaching this to a four or slash five-year-old, how would you explain it?

SPEAKER_03 19:09

I mean, uh, you want me to no, Jerry, you're gonna go. You guys have had four and five year olds. I've never had a four or five year old. Jerry has had four and five year olds more recently than I. Yeah. I'm happy to take a swing, but uh let Jerry, why don't you take a swing?

SPEAKER_01 19:22

Well, actually, before this, I'll share an embarrassing story about myself. Well fine, we'd like that. So why not share two if you're about three? Yeah, right. Um so it's about 20 years ago. I was uh junior, senior in high school. It was actually Easter service, and they did this like kids' corner um thing where the kids bring up this mystery item in the bag, and the person that's there, they're supposed to open it up and then give a message about it. I thought, I, you know, I never run out of words to say. And um they asked me to do it. I said, Oh sure. And which kind of felt like whenever you asked me to be on the podcast, it was like, oh sure. And then um we're gonna do the bag in just a second. Right?

SPEAKER_02 20:03

I love that game.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

Um so I opened the bag and it's a Darth Vader mask, which is like a softball type thing for you know, teaching a message about that. But for the first time, just went blank. And so it was the it was the early service, but it was still like it's a small town in south, south, um, southwestern Oklahoma, and so everyone is is there, and like um, and so you just hear like the embarrassment and the awkwardness like from the crowd, sympathy embarrassment, um, watching me as I just implode and um and see that. So uh thankfully one of my buddies came on stage and put the mask on and then ended up uh you know bailing me out. But um yeah, so whenever I saw that, I was like, oh, this kind of feels like that that type of uh that type of thing where um uh you know it just took me right back to that moment on Easter morning and sitting on stage for one of the first times in front of a large crowd of people and just having it go blind.

SPEAKER_03 21:09

An additional follow-up question about your embarrassing story. Is the point of this to embarrass the teacher? Like, what's the goal? Because it's like you don't have any way to prep. Yeah, so they're like you're gonna stand up in front of people, a kid's gonna bring you a random thing, and you have to come up with a message on the spot. It almost feels like whose line is it anywhere. That's exactly that's exactly what it is. We did it, we did it at a camp, also. You did it?

SPEAKER_02 21:31

Yeah, campers would challenge me to the game. That was that's how it worked, is they would come up and then someone would hold up an object, and it was them versus me of like could they come up with a better message on the spot? It was a nerdy, nerdy challenge. I've never heard of this, but it's oh really?

SPEAKER_03 21:48

Yeah, it sounds like it's setting you a riff to be embarrassed.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

Like, exactly what happened seems like the point. Well, the the senior pastor, he had always done it before, like it was his thing. Always look forward to it. Yeah. I love it. But then like we've been doing this discipleship thing. And so he was like, Oh, I think I think you're ready. I think you could do this. He was wrong. He was so wrong. Yeah. That's so funny. And then he didn't he did not even make an attempt to come over.

SPEAKER_03 22:16

It feels like the underlying idea, though, is like I I don't like the underlying idea feels like it's trying to it's only ending in someone being embarrassed.

SPEAKER_02 22:26

The win is someone feels bad about themselves. This is why it wasn't great, but it uh but it was what it was.

SPEAKER_03 22:33

Having time to prep.

SPEAKER_02 22:35

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 22:36

I prefer it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:38

Well, um, well, so do you have a prepped answer for this four to five year old? Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:45

So going back to the question, you know, honestly, I I really haven't having a hard time figuring out how I would answer like without in a short way to a four and five year old. So we have um we've got some children's like storybook Bibles and another um like uh you know condensed uh kids version that we read the girls, and I find I like whenever I'm trying to explain this, I really have to kind of go cover to cover with them, starting with the fall, yeah, reading through um you know the the whole of the old testament as um God's laws keep like getting added more and more onto and realizing like people just aren't good at like there is no way that we could live the life that was required, um, and that this sacrificial system had to be put in place. So it was uh I to to answer the question directly, I don't have a short answer. Um bless you. Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 23:45

No, it's okay. Yeah, I mean I'm okay. It makes sense that you'd cough because you are not good at drinking. Yeah. So where the rest of us are capable of like sort of lubricating the inside of our throats, you just have a wet spot on the front of your sweatshirt.

SPEAKER_02 23:59

Life. Darren, can you answer this question using this expo marker as well? I'm not right.

SPEAKER_03 24:06

I'm not doing I'm not doing mystery bag sermon prep. That's well, I have this bag over here. I'm not doing it. So I'll jump in on this one too and say I think it depends on your five-year-old. So I I would I was gonna say too, I don't think there's a one size fits all because depending on your five-year-old, they've got different um different things that might spook them, or like if you're like, and also as an as a parent, you might have different perceptions on how atonement works and whatever. There's lots of different atonement theories and different ways people approach it. Like if you're just talking about substitutionary, like penal substitutionary atonement from like an EV-free Fullerton kind of standpoint, then to say, like, well, we've all done things that were bad and God's gonna take the punishment for us. Um, but if you have a kid who's like like scary, like the punishment part of that seems scary and whatever, or if you're someone who's not sure about penal substitutionary atonement, I actually think a better starting place with kids in talking about what Jesus did is to start with, like at the very base, no matter what your atonement theory, what Jesus does when he dies is he demonstrates that he loves us so much he's willing to give everything to repair the relationship between us and God. And how that repair works, we might differ of opinion on whether that's him conquering sin and death and being victorious, or whether that's him paying the price of God's wrath, or like there's lots of different ways to come at atonement theory, but nobody could argue with the idea that like what Jesus does is go as far as he possibly could to demonstrate love. And like, is it sad and is it hard? Yes, but we've all seen those other stories, like we we've got lots of stories in our library about people who like made a great sacrifice to defeat the villain or defeat the monster or defeat the bad guy or whatever the you know never-ending story. The what's the evil thing? Yeah, the nothingness. The nothingness, yeah. I think for a kid, you could say, think of all the stories we have where a hero goes to this great length to rescue the people that he loves. That's exactly all those stories are based on the story of Jesus. Jesus goes to these great lengths because he loves us that much, and what he conquers is not a monster, really. It's it's that he conquers death and evil, right? And he shows that he's more powerful than both those things. So then with a five-year-old, you're not having to get into atonement theory, you're not necessarily having to, if you don't want to, you're not having to walk through creation fall, you know, like you're not having to do that whole timeline. Now, you might have a five-year-old who's capable and interested and whatever, and then then that could be fun to walk through the whole timeline of the Bible. But if you've got a kid who's just like, I don't know why, if Jesus was nice, I don't know why he had to die. I think to say, like, oh, well, he chose to die to show us all how deeply he cared about us being whole and healthy. Yeah, I think that that can do it.

SPEAKER_02 26:59

Well, and especially like I loved that the emphasis in all those gospel stories is like what happens because of it, you know. So like with the veil being torn, with the like resurrections, like it was that it wasn't just to do it, that there was a big like that there was a supernatural, you know, uh response to it. And I so I loved it. Like, and I feel that. Like, how do we simplify it? I really like how the kid put it, where they're like, where does the sin go? Like, yeah, what an interesting childhood like view of it, and how important it is to be able to even hear as we like talk about the story, how people are just gonna see it a little differently. Because I never in my life have asked, where does the sin go once Jesus pays for it? And I was like, that's a really cool kid question that I wouldn't have thought of. So I just thought it was I thought it was fun. Good job. Good job, kid. Yeah, way to go, four or five-year-old. Um great job.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

Well, and also just like when when I'm talking, whenever my kids have those tough, tough questions and they come to me. Um what I've started doing is I'll ask them, well, what do you like, what do you think? Right. Because sometimes my mind will run in directions. Theirs was not going at all. And I'll I'll open myself up for a lot of other a lot of other questions and um and I'll just like kill them with like knowledge and um uh um lots of explanations when they were really asking one really simple question. Yeah, that's right. Just like you said, like you know, drawing it back to um, yeah, Jesus going to um just as far as he could go to show us how he loves us, how he wants us to be in his family, how he wants us to be with him, and he you know gets to live with us now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:45

Uh Katie signed off the thing, so she's done missing us. She's like the guy to not miss them any longer. Yeah. Well, well, that's it for today, as far as the questions go. Um, happy Easter. Happy Easter Easter.

SPEAKER_03 29:00

Uh cool. And good Friday unto you.

SPEAKER_02 29:02

A good Friday to you, sir.

SPEAKER_03 29:06

Indeed. Um, all right. Thanks to Jerry for being here. Thank you guys. Thanks to Kyle for forcing Jerry to be here. And um yeah, we'll catch you next time on the same more podcast. Say more. Rums on it's a good idea, though.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

I was gonna say, should the end be we said it all? No. We've never said it all.