Say More about the shape of Christ's people

this week we talk about the sermon from July 19th, 2026 at Fullerton Free Church 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:53

All right, everyone. Welcome to the Same More podcast. That was the longer version of our intro because today I wanted to hear the longer version of our intro. Um, my name is Kyle, and I am on staff here at Fullerton Free Church. And I am joined today on the Say More podcast by two people who uh are here. And the first person who is here is Christina. Welcome, Christine. Good morning.

SPEAKER_02 1:21

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:22

And our second person who is here, it's his first time on the show. Please give a big Seymour welcome to Jackson. What's it, Jackson? Um Seymour is a weekly podcast where we discuss the message from the previous week here at Fullerton Free Church in Fullerton, California in Orange County. Well, there we are. Um and last week the message was from Christina, who's gonna share about it in just a moment. But Jackson, welcome for the first time.

SPEAKER_00 1:52

I'm excited to be here. Introduce yourself. Who are you? My name's Jackson Bridgeford. Some regular listeners might know Nathan, my brother. So stop. Yeah. You're Nathan's brother. Yeah, you might not believe it, but it actually takes some people a long time to figure that out.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

You guys have a similar look, but not identical.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

That's fair. Some people say we sound exactly the same.

SPEAKER_03 2:17

Oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_01 2:18

Yeah. Say a sentence. Say a sentence where you pretend you're Nathan and I'm gonna close my eyes.

SPEAKER_00 2:23

That's something Nathan would say. Um, can I borrow the truck to go fix something? Nathan, yeah, you can. Oh my god, that was perfect. And what do you do here at Fullerton Free? I am the middle school pastor. Hey. I've been on staff like just over a month. So I'm still the new guy.

SPEAKER_01 2:46

Well, welcome.

SPEAKER_03 2:46

We're excited to have you. But not new to our church.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

Yeah, not new. I've been here forever.

SPEAKER_01 2:50

Did you grow up like we were you like the this was the first place you went outside of your house in the hospital, probably? Probably.

SPEAKER_03 2:58

That's the Bridgeford family name.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

I don't know, honestly, where I went after.

SPEAKER_01 3:02

I feel like that's the question. When you get home today, uh call your mom and be like, hey, I can't after I was born. I know we went home. What was the first public place I went to and see if it was this campus?

SPEAKER_00 3:14

If she knows off the top of her head, that'd be crazy.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

Do you think that she would not remember where she took you?

SPEAKER_00 3:20

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

I don't know. Um, Christina, you gave us an incredible message just last week on the beginning. Well, end of chapter one of Philippians, beginning of chapter two. Could you give us a quick uh recap of what that was all about? Um, I got to listen to it this morning on my drive-in because that's my favorite part of my Wednesday morning drive-ins. I get to re-listen, but share about what you talked about this last week.

SPEAKER_03 3:45

Yeah, so uh we looked at starting in verse 27 of chapter one, going through verse 11 of chapter two, just kind of a flow of thought for Paul. Um, in the beginning section, we broke it up into three sections. So the beginning section, Paul talks about how um he's encouraging the Philippians and then, you know, Christians as we read this to live a life worthy of the gospel. Um, and really like the idea underneath that is like think of yourselves as citizens of God's kingdom and live a life that aligns with that citizenship. So that's kind of his main point. And then he gives like some examples of what that would look like, which a lot of the examples have to do with like contending with each other in unity, um, striving alongside each other, like holding fast your confession of Christ, but like staying together and like standing firm and like the one Holy Spirit. Um, so then he kind of goes into like uh more, I would say, instruction about how to become that kind of community. One of the things I love about it is he starts by first just reminding them of all the things that they have, like with um their relationship with God and even like in their relationship with him, which all kind of revolve around this idea of being like relationally held, having union with Christ, like experiencing the love of God, having this common sharing together in the Holy Spirit, and then knowing that like they're even loved and have tenderness and compassion from Paul. And then he just like goes on like be like-minded, have the same love, have the same soul, um, be of one intent, essentially. Um, and then he like explains that the way that we do that is by doing nothing from selfish ambition or vain conceit, but just taking on this posture of humility of loving others as greater than yourselves. Um, so we unpacked that. Like, what do those words mean? Um, and then uh Paul gives this ex the he's gonna give a bunch of examples starting uh in chapter or verse five of chapter two with Jesus, who's the highest example, but also like not just an example. He's like the reason why this kind of gospel community can even exist. And Jesus, um, in the way that Paul writes it, is the opposite of selfish ambition, which is not not using power for yourself. Like Jesus uses all his power for other people to serve others. Jesus is the opposite of vain conceit, which is like pursuing empty glory. Jesus doesn't pursue empty glory, instead, he empties himself and then the father is the one who glorifies him. So it's a really beautiful picture of Jesus. Um, and Jesus, like one of the f my favorite things just even in studying was sitting with the idea that Jesus as God, um the way that he expressed himself was an expression of his deity. So sometimes we think of like the character of God in the Old Testament feeling different than the character of Jesus. But what Paul's saying is like, no, this is like the character, this is the character of the biblical God. And because Jesus was God, this is what he looks like, which I just think is super profound um and really moving. And um, yeah, so so we talked about that. We talked about the call for us to like live in unity with each other and what that looks like. That doesn't mean we are all the same, it means we keep our diversity and it means we figure out how to through the power of the spirit and pursuing our own union with Christ and then pursuing together this idea of like we're gonna be united in purpose, which is to stand, stand on Christ. And yeah, so that's kind of a somewhat quick summary.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

That's great. That was it was quick. It was probably great, that was uh awesome. And we had some people who uh wrote in with some questions as is the intention of this show that we would say more based off of the more that they say, so that we can say more back. Um the first question is Hi, um Christina talked about uh loving our community, not just loving the idea of the community. Uh, what are some practical ways that we as a congregation can love Fullerton Free specifically and draw together as a community? I think that I know that uh you really kind of went into this idea of like we want to love our community, not our idealized version of our community. Uh so how do we do that? Like uh I I was I I really got myself stuck a little bit even thinking about this on a personal level, like um in the community of me. Like I love me and I like the idealized version of me better. Um, you know, that version's amazing. Yeah, like he's so great. Like uh if I could just get these eight pieces together, I would like me so much more than I like me now. But I love me now, you know, but like I could see how I could like me more, you know. And then I was thinking, like, in a community, is that the same thing? Like, uh, or is that different? You know, like how do we engage in our community to love it well? And also, like, it's okay that we want it to be a little better, and or is it never okay to want it to be a little better? And we should just be like, yeah, it is what it is, love them, and you know, like what do we do with it? That that that's kind of uh as I'm hearing her say, like, how do we actually love that community? Like, is it always yeah, there it is. That was there was my kind of quick intro thought to it.

SPEAKER_03 9:14

So that's a great thought.

SPEAKER_01 9:17

What are your thoughts? Jackson, what do you think?

SPEAKER_00 9:19

Yeah, I think I mean it sounds I don't want to say obvious, but it's never a bad thing to want community or anything yourself to get better, you know? Or maybe a better word than getting better is getting healthier. Um I think that's I mean, in other books of the Bible, that's a very clear message of the church is rooting out things that might be issues or things that might not be totally what we're striving for as a church or as individual believers, but um when I think about loving our community now, the first thing I think about is part just participating in it, you know. I think I was kind of wrestling with this over the past few days, just like when I saw the question, like that's a good question, you know. Like I think there's some obvious answers, but I think that they go deeper than just like, well, just show up and be a part of it and like, you know. But for me, I think I have a tendency, and I've heard this from a lot of other people, to when you are having problems with a community or anything like that, it's easy to withdraw a little bit and kind of have the mindset of, well, it'll get when it gets better, I'll kinda join again, you know, or I'll just kinda stand in the background and hopefully it'll start to get healthier on its own. And I think the encouragement would be like just keep participating, love love what's going on, and that doesn't mean you have to be okay with everything that's going on. That doesn't mean you shouldn't voice your opinions to people. But I think the key part of that is doing so in one mind and with the mindset of your opinion is not the right opinion, it's just one of the opinions of many, and doing so in a way that you're valuing your own opinion, but also valuing the opinions of others, and yeah, I don't know. Those were my initial thoughts. That's great. Christina, what are you thinking?

SPEAKER_03 11:30

Oh gosh, I have so many thoughts. Great! That's what that's say more about those thoughts. I was thinking too, like, one of the things that I think is like challenging about um sermons is that you just cannot address every caveat. Yeah. And in many ways, like these kinds of questions are the questions that like I hope come from like a teaching like this, and that they are discussed in community with other people. Cause I think that's like ideally where this goes, right? Because it's like there's yeah, there's okay, sorry, too many thoughts. Um I think that maybe one of the caveats that I was thinking is like sometimes we think, or maybe I'll just use it. My own, this is my own mental process. Okay, so I need to like not just love my fantasy of this community, but the actual community. I think the the tendency is to then go to like the opposite extreme where it's like, so that means there's no accountability. I think those two things don't don't go together. It's like you can still have accountability and still learn to like love a community instead of like an ideal version of it. So I think that's the first thing. Like we have to have accountability. That's built into like the ethic of the body of Christ, is that like there is a way that we are supposed to strive towards living, and that's important, and God wants that for us, and we need each other to like continue to grow in that. Um, I think one of the things that comes to mind is uh that it's really important to know the people in the community. Um, because I think about this sometimes with generations, how um generationally it can feel like different generations well, we've grown up in different like social contexts. So as culture changes, as time changes, the things that we value as like highest of importance, maybe I think about this sometimes in the way that people relate to each other. It's like um I think they're everybody who's listening hear this with nuance. Yes because it's not black and white, but it's like sometimes I feel like the culture that grew up in the war culture and the Great Depression culture, like that's a very different social context that teaches you to kind of value different social things. And then like younger millennials or Gen Z who grew up in a culture that just value like high vulnerability and high authenticity. It's like we have very different ways we interpret sometimes like social relational values that can make a real difficulty for the generations to deeply feel like they understand each other, right? The tendency is to be like, we don't understand each other. Man, we just like are not even on the same page. But the reality is like when you get through some of that stuff, you realize, like, oh no, the like we have more in common than it appears. But we have to like learn to bear with each other and have understanding for like the context that we all come from that make us respond way when we're one way or the other. So like one generation might think of another, oh, they're just like um closed-minded and then we label, or like they're just they have no boundaries or they have no ethics, and then we label. Well, the truth is like, well, what what why do we why is that person exhibiting that kind of like mental process or whatever? I don't know. Is this making sense? Yeah. So I'm thinking like the importance of like instead of labeling, learning to like actually get to know people and try to like cut through some of those things that become barriers for us to actually just like loving who's here um without losing the sense that, like, yeah, like Jackson, like you said, I think it's good for us to want to grow and to keep growing in our health as a collective whole, but it requires like us to really know each other and to bear with each other. And I was also thinking of like someone shared with me one time, I forget the exact quote, but it was something about like acceptance always means like accepting something that like you don't like. Like acceptance always implies this idea of like I don't like this. And um I was really thinking about that, and that came to mind with this, where it's like there's something about accepting a legitimate community that is like I don't like everything about this, and that's a part of the process of like this isn't how I would ideally want to be, but yeah, okay, that's enough for me.

SPEAKER_01 15:54

But I think that that's huge because yeah, even as you're talking about the generational differences, and we are a church that is very, you know, multi-generational, like we have an older group and we have babies, you know, and like every group in between those, and uh, and we do see the world some things very generationally different. I know that I was having a conversation with an older person recently, and I'm like right in middle age. Um, and so and they were talking about like maturity being like steadfastness, where talking to someone in a younger um age, it was like maturity is like growth, and like uh and those two ideas of one is like maturity is saying I will never shift. That's like maturity versus maturity being like I will always shift, you know. And you're like, that's a fundamental difference in the way that you see tomorrow, and like uh, and so then how do you bring those things together? That's super difficult. And I don't know, the answer is as you're saying, like, you gotta know each other, like uh until you can understand those things of why they're coming from that perspective, or then you'll never be okay with the other person's perspective. And uh, and it doesn't even mean that you ain't land on you're right. Um, it just means you're valuable and uh right, like is that I don't know that that is kind of where I was taking that.

SPEAKER_03 17:19

Yeah, I'm almost having this like picture of if you envision every relationship as, or maybe these relationships that especially might feel like contentious on the outside. It's like there might be like a wall of thorns, but behind the wall of thorns, there's like this, you know, beautiful land. And we have to somehow get through the things that feel like the wall of thorns to us to try to understand like who are who is this person before me? And like, how do I have humility in myself to realize, like, yeah, just because this is what I value, they might not value that, and that doesn't necessarily make it right or wrong.

SPEAKER_02 17:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:55

Um, but we learn to like hear one another and get kind of through those things that can be put us off from each other.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

Yeah. Yeah, I think the word that comes to mind a lot is communication. That like even part of getting to know the people is communicating with them, but then communicating if you feel like you have either problems or just thoughts on the way things are going, but also being mindful that communicating is part of it, but communicating in the right way, in a way that is also listening, you know. Because I feel like communication can also become I'm communicating this because I feel like I'm right, you know?

SPEAKER_01 18:41

Well, and I've had this, there was um something came up with someone on staff the other day, and I gave them this compliment, and uh, and I was like, hey, when you say, Hey, I just wanted to be heard, I was like, You're someone who actually means I just wanted to be heard. Not when I say I wanted to be heard, what I wanted was the person to agree with me. Right. Um, and I was like, that is a rare and unique thing that not everyone has, where they can be like, here's my opinion, take it or leave it. I'm just glad that you heard me. Like, most people mean, here's my opinion, agree with me. And uh, and those are not the same thing, you know. And and I was I found this person on step and I was like, oh my gosh, you totally meant that. That was crazy. Like I've never seen that before. And uh it was just really cool, like where they're like, hey, I didn't want to leave this community without these thoughts, but I also didn't want to, you know, like they didn't have to, and I I just thought it was really pretty. I thought it was a beautiful picture of like what you're saying. Like they had to accept that maybe this person wasn't gonna be on the same page, but also they still felt valuable or valued to be able to be seen and heard, and I thought that was really cool. Yeah. And then that's the end of my thought on that. Um, let's move to our next question, which is um a little bit longer and kind of goes down uh I think a really personal road in the in the way that the question's asked. But um, it says this I'm asking this question from the perspective of someone in the church who may be holding a deep burden alone, as Christina had mentioned. Who gets to assign whether you are doing something out of selfish ambition or vain conceit? Is it honest self-awareness or do others get to call you out on it? I would guess that some don't share openly about their burdens because they think that those outside their experience will accuse them without understanding the context.

SPEAKER_03 20:35

Such a good question.

SPEAKER_01 20:36

Such a good question. Because this is like to me, it so describes the nature of why we don't share. Like I when I have a fear or I have a pain, like I don't want why I don't want to tell people is what if they don't understand it the way I do, and now I'm even more alone with my pain. Like uh I know that I've shared about this obviously on stage or whatever, but when my wife and I were going through our our miscarriage this last year, um I like I had to like tell myself that if people don't answer the way that I want them to, like that doesn't mean that they hate me or whatever, like before we started talking, just because the amount of clichéisms that exist in those sort of things where it's like and and I was so pleasantly surprised by the response that I had to everything. Um, but like it was I had to I I was so nervous of how angry I was gonna get at clichéisms that that was holding me back from sharing, not even like I knew that no one was gonna be like, Well, you deserve this, you know what I mean? Like, I wasn't afraid of someone like shaming me, but I was like afraid of me not being willing to accept their community in the moment, and like I don't know, it held me back, it just held me back, and I had to like fight through to. Be like, yeah, I can't, I can't do this, but it was a challenge and it was work. And I don't know that I always did a great, but like it was important for me to try to work towards. And uh, and so I see the fear that he's saying, like, uh, there's this burden of like, what if I open up? What if I do this? What if I what if the thing that God calls me to? What if I have done it before and it completely backfired on me? Um, I know that I even look at where my fear would come from. I'm like, I've had other spaces where when I presented a hey, this is something I'm struggling with, like it got shot back in my face. Like, and uh, or uh, I'll give a very real example. Um, I in my early 20s, I just didn't understand finances. I am on the low end of understanding. Um, when we speak of some things you're above average, some things you're average, some things you're below average. Money, I'm always been on the below average side of understanding. It just wasn't my life. And post-college, it was 2009 when I graduated. Financial collapse happens, and all of the loan companies get shut down. And so they all my student loans got sold to different companies, and so I became default in a bunch of them because like I didn't know who owned them and I wasn't smart enough to understand it, but it gave me some bad credit, you know what I mean? It's until I could kind of figure some of that stuff out. I shared this with um, I was working at another church and I shared it with like my boss, and his response was to take away my credit card from the church because he's like, Well, that means that you can't be trusted with money. And I was like, Oh, okay, well, I'm glad I opened up, you know what I mean? Like, and uh, and I was like, I've never like taken or anything like that. I was like, it was it was a lack of knowledge with from 10 years ago, not this or whatever, and uh, but it definitely shut down of like, what can I say here, or what can I not say here? You know what I mean? And uh, so I get the fear, right? Um, sometimes pain holds you back. So, what are your thoughts? What do you guys do? How do you move into this? Christina, let's start with you.

SPEAKER_03 24:08

This um, well, I feel like there's two questions that are sitting in this question. Um, the first is like who gets to assign whether you're doing something out of selfish ambition? Is it honest self-awareness or do others others get to call you out? That is a really great question. And I don't think there's a black and white answer to that because I think that like what comes to mind for me is that this all of this stuff is like slow, lifelong, daily subjective work. Like I think it requires daily discernment like with the Holy Spirit and discernment with community. But I think you have to have trusted people in your life who know like the deep things of what's going on to help you navigate like what's going on internally to yourself. And you know, you can have like people can speak into your life and not like know the deepest things about you. So not to say that that's not the the case, but like I think about situations in my own life where this exact thing, if I were to explain something to somebody who doesn't know me, their answer to me would likely be very different than if I explain it to someone who did know me. And the person who knows me is gonna help me work through like you know the context of what I'm sharing and yeah, how to like think about it. So I think like that goes into kind of my second my second answer to the other question. Um I think that like well, first I don't think anybody gets to accuse you. I think accusation is the wrong word. So if anybody's coming with that like sentiment, then that would that puts me already on a like question mark of like we what are we talking about here? Um but I do think that like you need all of us need trusted people in our lives because we can't we just at times we're clouded, like we can't see our own situations clearly. Um, and we need people outside of us to walk with us in life, and I think God created us that way. I think that's part of what the church is supposed to be in its ideal.

SPEAKER_02 26:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:25

And I do love that version of the church. Yes, yeah. I have a lot of hope that we'll get get there in an increasing way with each other because I think that's what God wants for us. Um, but like if there's something that you're carrying, we were talking about this ahead of time. Like, if there's something that you're carrying that you really feel like you have no one in your life you can talk to that you can trust, like I think those are great avenues for going to like a therapist or whatever to start to like have some of those conversations. Cause I do think like we got to process out loud outside of our own heads the stuff going on in our own minds and the burdens that we're carrying so others can help us see with clarity. But we need trusted people to do that. People who are spacious and who like um love God and who want to embody the heart of Christ themselves to us. And so yeah, that's those are that's what comes to mind for me.

SPEAKER_00 27:13

Yeah. Yeah, I think I had the same thought of there's kind of multiple different questions embedded in the same question. The first part, here wait, I moved it. Um the first part was who gets to assign whether you're doing something out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Like Christina said, that's not like a I don't know if it's black or white, but I mean the obvious answer is at the end of the day, it's between you and God, you know. He's the ultimate judge.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

God gets to assign whether it's true.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

I'm sure the person who asked the question knows that. Right, right, right. But it is kind of a helpful reminder of like if somebody is calling you out, whether in again, I don't like the phrase calling out because it has a negative connotation, but whether they're doing it righteously or not, at the end of the day, that's still between you and God, and they're just trying to point out, like, hey, you might be in the wrong here, you know. Um but I think it could be helpful when you have moments of people calling you out, or what's a what's a better phrase we could use than you're gonna do.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

Um in a positive version, like they're encouraging you to be a better version of this. Uh-huh. Yes. Uh-huh. They're yeah, encouragement.

SPEAKER_00 28:35

Bringing to light uh something that they see. Um there's a lot of scripture on ways. Uh some of it is in Matthew, I think Matthew 18 and then Galatians 6 are both examples of like how the Bible tells us to approach people who are either caught in sin or doing something that like you feel like you should bring up to them.

SPEAKER_02 28:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

So I would encourage you if you feel like that's happening, like go to those texts and like if the person is not doing it in the way that the Bible like lays it out and they're doing it, you feel like you're being attacked more so than being like counseled on wrongdoing, then I don't know. I don't feel like that's a you don't have to put much weight on on that, but that doesn't take away the the emotions that it can make you feel. And I know that when I say the church, I mean the whole church, not just our church. That is a problem of people something I've heard a lot and had a lot of conversations about is people who have been called out or hurt by the church in ways like called out in a way that just makes you feel terrible or make you feel like you're not good enough. Um so yeah, and I I like I totally agree with what Christina said is it's helpful to have people in your life that you know if they call you out, like they're doing it from a righteous perspective, you know? Like someone like me would be my dad. Like if my dad came to me and he was like, Hey, I've seen I've noticed something, like I really think you should be thinking about that, or like I just want to make sure you're aware of it, I would be like, Oh my gosh, like I really need to think about that, as opposed to just somebody random who's like, hey, you're doing something bad, you need to stop, you know. But it's hard when I know it's also a common feeling that a lot of people don't have somebody like that. And that's where, like what you said, like going to therapy and having somebody who can really walk you through those emotions and those hard times. But yeah, also us, also the staff and people at this church are here for anybody, like just here to talk through those things, you know.

SPEAKER_01 30:50

Yeah, we have really good people um who are very interested in being available and uh like all through this place, and uh and and I get that not everyone feels safe there, and uh, and that's okay, and like that's now you get to be come the safe person to someone else, and like that's awesome. And like uh there there it can be a beautiful like chain reaction community. Um I keep thinking about I I know that um like when you're trying to enter into a new community or you're trying to engage or get to know better, um there is some vulnerability that not only exists just because it exists, but also kind of has to exist because if you don't enter it with some vulnerability, you're not gonna get reality back out of it. Um, and in the sense that like I remember uh, you know, in the beginning of relationships or any of those sort of things where it's like if I am so protected, then I can never get to know that person either because I haven't opened myself up to being known. Um but then there's like all that wisdom of how do you know when it's safe to be, you know, vulnerable or not? And there's not probably a simple answer to it because it's the human condition and it's not a simple answer. But I think that there is, I don't know, some value in in acknowledging that hurt is one of the fear or one of the like possible results by opening, and that's okay. You know, like a totally yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:26

Sorry, I don't want to cut you off.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

I'm I'm done. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 32:28

What you were saying was making me think that like uh in a lot of you know marriage therapy, they'll say the the relationships that last aren't the relationships that never have conflict. Like that's a false, we have a false narrative of what relationships are supposed to be. And I'm using a marriage relationship as an example, but I think this is true for all relationships, any intimate kind of relationship that requires vulnerability and commitment and honesty. We have this perception that's like, oh, we should never have conflict. That's just false.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:56

The relationships that last are the ones that know how to repair. And I think that that's also the case in the body of Christ. Like, I think the body of Christ is supposed to be long-standing, committing, committed, deep, intimate relationships with each other. That automatically implies that we're gonna hurt each other because because unfortunately we're humans. Um, but can we repair with each other? I think that's that's what scripture is calling us to, and to really learn to like bear with each other and recognize, like, yeah, I've done something wrong. Like, I need to say I'm sorry for that, or maybe the way I approached you to quote unquote call you out on something was actually wrong because I didn't take any time to get to know you. And knowing you, I understand what's going on here. I don't know, like there's all kinds of things, but can we learn to um walk with each other with kindness, with patience, to like know each other's story and then to repair with each other when we inevitably do hurt each other because it's just how it's gonna roll, you know?

SPEAKER_01 34:00

Well, and and I've found that when we find someone like uh in a community and like if I love them, like I know that Jesus is telling me to, then I can work on my stuff so that I'm not going to hurt them as much. You know, so that I'm going to limit my uh like if I can be less selfish, then maybe I can like not even for the sake of it's better if I'm less selfish because then God will like me more, but if I'm less selfish, maybe I won't cause as much hurt in the world around me. And like that's loving you. Like uh I love Jackson better when I'm less selfish, and like that's a positive win for everyone, right? And like uh, I I just really enjoy that idea. I know my wife and I in our um marriage, our big conversation was because we're sports fans or whatever, is like uh no one can win if the other person has to lose, you know, like uh because that's just not how a team works, and uh and then if you can broaden that into the church or humanity, like uh no one wins if someone else has to lose, just reshaping the way that we think about um those relationships with each other. And that's the more that I had to say today. Um Jackson, thank you so much for joining us today. Sorry, guys, we are already at 35 minutes, so well done us. Um thank you, Christina, so much for the message and for being with us today. And we will end with a lot of the biggest.