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The Therapeutic Potential of Ivermectin

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Melissa is joined by Dr. Heather Gessling, MD to discuss the clinical use and emerging research surrounding Ivermectin, an affordable medication that has gained significant attention in recent years. They discuss its potential roles in immune modulation, inflammation support, and its application in conditions such as autoimmune disorders and persistent post-viral symptoms. The conversation also addresses the controversy surrounding ivermectin, including differing perspectives within medicine and the factors influencing its use in clinical practice. Dr. Gessling shares her experience utilizing this therapy with patients and how it may fit within a broader functional and root-cause approach to healing. 

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SPEAKER_00

Hello and welcome to the Functional Nurse Academy podcast. This is your host, Melissa Schreibvetter, owner and founder of the Functional Nurse Academy. Hello, everyone. I have a really amazing show lined up today. And unfortunately, we know that there has been so much suppression and propaganda around ivermectin, especially when it comes to the treatment of things like COVID and other respiratory infections, and even in the treatment of things like cancer. So today I have a physician that is going to be joining me. Her name is Dr. Heather Getling, and she is a proud wife and mom to three beautiful children from Columbia, Missouri. She graduated from Oklahoma Christian University with a bachelor's degree in biochemistry and went on to medical school and residency at the University of Missouri, Columbia. She is a board-certified family medicine through the National Board of Physicians and Surgeons. She was chief of staff at a hospital in Missouri for six years until the summer of 2021, when she opened up an independent practice, scheduling family wellness, which has three locations in Missouri. I do want to go over some things about Ivermegden and the controversy and the insanity. And, you know, for a while now, even before COVID, I was an advocate of the repurposed use of certain medications because we know in our country that about one-fourth of medications prescribed are actually for off-label use. So it's not uncommon for providers to prescribe a medication off-label. But during COVID, when we saw the medical community, large associations and the media basically go wild over ivermectin, it was really unusual, especially with them calling it like horse paste and stuff like that, because we know with medications, we have things like aspirin that we also use for animals. So, like why would you label something like ivermectin horse paste? They did that to smear it. But what is really interesting is that, you know, now all of this information is coming out about ivermectin, um, especially when we talk about for its use in the treatment of things like cancer protocols. And there is an oncologist, his name is Dr. William Macus, and he has actually been treating stage four people that are in stage four cancer successfully with ivermectin. Um, there are also a lot of other um, you know, patients who have taken ivermectin for things like chronic fatigue, Lyme disease, Epstein Barr virus. We're realizing that there are so many other uses for it. You know, um what I think that you were not able to hear me say before was when I was mentioning that you were one of those courageous doctors that stepped out and you were talking about things like early treatment and ivermectin, and you know, you had some serious safety concerns about the experimental uh COVID injections. And what I'm seeing is there's just, you know, not a lot of doctors that either they're not seeing it or they're just not willing to speak out about it. And I'm always curious about like that and especially the MDs that like take the risk to step out. Like what were your what were like the most motivating factors for you to step out?

SPEAKER_02

Well, I think it had to do with the fact that I um had an epiphany that we were in a a war for truth. And I've always felt like I needed to be as effective of a human as possible. If I felt like something needs to be done to be beneficial for humanity and God's creation, then I needed to do it. And I I look back at that time period in 2020, 2021, and it always amazes me how little fear I had. Like I think, goodness gracious, I I really did feel like, well, this is my purpose and mission. So whatever is gonna happen is gonna happen. And of course, I did end up having some significant consequences, but those consequences were just honestly the best things that could have ever happened in my life. I was forced to step down as chief of staff in my hospital. I lost my position uh as an employed physician, you know, I had to make a lot of quick decisions about how to start my own practice and and help provide for my family. And God was there every step of the way. But whenever you mention, you know, this blindness that so many mainstream physicians have, it continues. It seems to be pervasive because um I had this uh this encounter with a patient of mine a few weeks ago, and she's a nurse in a um ER, a local ER where I live. And she said, everybody coming in was positive for influenza A. And I said, Oh, well, they all need ivermectin. And she said, and we both laughed, and she said, Yeah, they're not gonna get that. And we, you know, we both agreed, of course they're not gonna get that. They're gonna get prescribed either a very um icky black box morning medication, tama flu, also tamabeer, or they're gonna get prescribed zoopluza, which is quite expensive and commonly denied by insurance if the patient has insurance. And I I mean, I haven't had terrible experiences with zofluza in the past when I was a um, you know, using that. I just use ivermectin mostly now or hydroxychloroquine. Um, and so it's not as bad of a medicine as hand food. It's just it's not, it's not um, it's expensive and typically not covered. But so when we, when we both realized, you know, oh, these patients are not gonna get this, I thought, well, I'm gonna just go ahead and make a post about this. And it was, it, it was incredibly well received. Patients are are searching for this truth. And they knew a lot of people knew that it could work for the COVID virus, but they didn't know that it could potentially work for several other viruses because uh influenza A is an RNA virus, and um we learned many years ago that ivermectin can work against many RNA viruses, and that would be and that would include influenza. And so the ability for it to help with prevention or treatment of influenza exists, but the mainstream community refuses, refuses to to be able to use this um cheap, safe, effective medicine. And they and they honestly are doing patients such an injustice.

SPEAKER_00

You know, and oh so before we started, I was like, I know I sound like I need some ivermectin, which I am actually recovering. I guess this show is so suitable because I am like literally recovering from the flu right now, but I'm also pregnant. So that's why I'm like not on ivermectin right now. And I'm taking all the other natural things. But what is interesting to me is that as a pregnant woman, um, they actually will recommend TAMA flu to pregnant women or even children. And when we're talking about like the black box warning, guys, um, it can cause neuropsychiatric events such as like hallucinations, abnormal behavior, self-injury. It's not even that effective. But this is usually the go-to treatment for things like the flu. And what I'm seeing is um most providers still they don't even know what to tell people suffering with like, you know, the flu, COVID, whatever. They still don't know to tell them to take like vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc. I mean, we have old NIH studies on the efficacy and safety of zinc supplementation when you are dealing with viral on respiratory illnesses. And I mentioned this last week in my show that I really just I just don't believe it's a coincidence that the medical community, what they tend to recommend, tends to be drugs and vaccines that they can make a lot of money off of. And um, I've been very uh very fortunate. I live in the great state of Tennessee, and we actually passed legislation to where ivermectin is available over the counter. However, mainstream pharmacies refuse to participate in this. So the general public, they don't know they can get it over the counter. Um, you can usually only get it at um, you know, uh the mom and pop compounding pharmacies. And then they're which is even better.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, even better. Support those mom and pop. That's what I use. I mean, in the and where where I'm at in Missouri, we have a few compounding pharmacies that are doing it. And I can prescribe patients compounded ivermectin um and not the tablet form. The tablet form became extraordinarily expensive in late summer of 2021 after the media hit job. Um, insurance has quit covering it, the price skyrocketed, it became nearly impossible to be able to get it through one of those mainstream pharmacies. And so the compounding pharmacies um all around the country are doing it. And I love the fact that the mom and pops in Tennessee are doing it, and that's how it should be. I mean, they should be, you know, this is not a political, those big pharmacies are making a political stand, essentially. They're basically saying we um we don't we choose not to provide the patients this because of, you know, the the um propaganda against it.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, it's ridiculous. And and I can I will never get over the FDA's little statement about you're not a horse. Don't take ivermectin, which they were court ordered to remove that ridiculous acinites. But I I wanted to ask you since you treat patients with ivermectin. Um, how, like what is I'm hearing that it is effective for multiple other conditions, not just like infections, parasitic, viral, bacterial. But what other conditions do you see that ivermectin may be helpful in the treatment of?

SPEAKER_02

It seems to be almost limitless. If it's an autoimmune, if it's an infectious, or if it's a cancer, it seems to be beneficial. And the reason I believe I had a I had a uh conversation with a naturopathic oncologist two days ago. Um, we were talking about ivermectin. And it my theory has been for quite some time. I I understand that there was a um an article or a research um paper that came out from Dr. Maccus about the effects on mitosis with ivermectin and fin bin. I get that. I understand that that is a potential mechanism of action in multiple cancers, but I also believe that it unburdens the immune system. I mean, it just makes sense. So if you have underlying um viral infections, potential chronic infections such as EBV or CMV or herpes, if you have um uh uh underlying parasitic infections, anything that is burdening your immune system, it's almost going to be, no matter what it is, is gonna be helped by ivermectin. And so when you unburden that immune system, I believe that it gives your body, your immune system, the opportunity to go and fight other battles, including cancer. And so when you reduce the infectious burden through so many mechanisms that ivermectin provides, you allow that body to kind of catch up and say, Oh, okay, I can go tackle that. Now I can go handle that, you know, smoldering cancer better, or I can go handle those underlying infections a lot better because it has um taken care of so many things that are happening in the human body. And our and we're walking around with an in with incredible burdens of either parasites or these underlying viral infections. Um, we're walking around with incredible levels of stress, that anything that helps unburden that immune system is going to be beneficial. I have a um, I have a a deep respect and love for this book called The Healing Code. And it basically talks about that, that the majority of disease, um, an incredible amount, 95% or even more of all chronic diseases and diseases, cancer, metabolic disease, um, infectious diseases, they're autoimmune diseases, they're all uh uh connected to chronic stress, to traumas, to memories, to things that your body is holding on to. And when you can unburden those things, when you can unburden those memories and traumas and stresses, including underlying viral infections, you're gonna be able to fight against cancer, the big bad thing, so much better.

SPEAKER_00

And I always say, Oh, I'm like wondering how much voice I have left. But anyway, I'm gonna try. I always say people are sick to simplify it crap, food, stress, and toxins. And we know that God designed our magnificent bodies to heal, but so many people have all these obstacles preventing their bodies from self-healing. And I do think that because we live, you know, there's so many toxic things that we're exposed to, we have all of this stress. Um, the body, we basically have trillions of microorganisms, but a body that has sufficient nutrients and minerals is not in chronic fight or flight all the time. A body that is how we can handle and go after these infections. But a lot of people are overburdened with infections because they are unwell. And that's why we saw with, you know, with COVID, like we saw people that had multiple comorbidities that were higher risk of adverse outcomes, but then the people that were metabolically healthy, you know, COVID was like a cold for them. So again, if you get hit with like the flu or COVID or whatever, and it takes you down, you really need to reevaluate what all is going on with your health. But I'm really interested, especially in the use of ivermectin for things like cancer. And I also think like when they came out with all of this horse-paced propaganda and all of this like outrageous behavior against ivermectin, I was like, there's something else to it. Like, you know, first of all, that horrible vaccine would have never been approved, would have never gotten emergency use authorization if it was documented that we did have a safe and efficacious treatment, which we had. Um, but also I think that there may be people at the top and big industry in the pharmaceutical complex that understand that ivermectin may have anti-cancer properties. And if you introduce a low-cost, repurposed drug that's effective against cancer, what is that gonna do to that? That's gonna financially compromise the cancer industry. Could you speak more um to like the kind of benefits that patients are seeing um when they add in ivermectin as a treatment modality?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. So let me let me address several things that you've mentioned. So when you when you first said, you know, when you said there's something more to it, why are they suppressing this information about ivermectin? You're so spot on. That comment gave me chills. I remember back in, I think it was early 2020. Actually, it was early 2022. I was in a um car with some other medical freedom fighters. We were in Washington, DC. Um, we were gonna go talk uh uh on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial the next day, and it hit me like it may have already, you know, the other, you know, the other warriors had already probably come to this realization. But I said, oh my gosh, it's not just COVID. They're not suppressing this just because of COVID, they're suppressing it because it has so many other benefits. And then one of them looked at me and said, Yep. And it it was like an even bigger epiphany. Oh my gosh, this is huge. They really do want us sick. They the the cancer industry is making so much money, they can't let that fall. And so they're gonna fight against it with everything they have. And the and um before I forget, when you mentioned that you're pregnant, congratulations. And um, yeah, that's awesome. And I was gonna say hydroxychloroquine also has benefits, antiviral benefits against multiple viruses, and hydroxychloroquine can be considered to use in pregnancy, just so you know. Um, and so I wanted to get that out there. As far as the um ivermectin and cancer, there is um there are several um, there are several um new research um studies that have been done that are showing the benefit against against cancer, which is amazing. But something I want to mention is that I do not believe that it's directly cytotoxic. I think it has to do with many other mechanisms that are happening. Whenever you go online, you can search mechanisms of action for ivermectin and search images. You're gonna get a ton of different schematics that show you all of the ways that ivermectin affects the cell, especially the immune process, the immune modulating process. It affects IL1, IL6, TNF alpha. It affects the IMP receptor, it's gonna have multiple effects in the cell. It's not just this antiparasitic. Although, if it was just an antiparasitic, I even think that would benefit cancer just because of that action if it unburdens the immune system. And so if they want to fight against the likelihood or possible, if mainstream medicine wants to fight against the likelihood of possibility that ivermyctin is beneficial, just that effect alone would be beneficial because it's gonna free up the immune system to fight. And so you don't even have to have to know everything that it's doing against cancer or the possibilities or the mechanisms. You just need to know that it's gonna be, it's gonna free up the immune system to fight. Um, and another thing is uh I want to mention that I'm I had said I don't believe it's necessarily directly cytotoxic. And the way that I know that is because I am one of the only ones in my state, the state of Missouri. I have three clinics in this state, and I'm doing specialized cancer testing through a company called RGCC. And I can take somebody's blood, um, it's a true liquid biopsy, and I can send it off to um Greece. Uh, and there's this incredible lab that can tell me do they have circulating tumors? Cells. And, you know, when patients get blood work, they think, oh, you're going to tell me if I have cancer. Well, you can't really do that through standard blood work, but I can with this specialized test. And the beautiful thing about this specialized test is it can also tell me the effectiveness of mainstream chemotherapeutic agents against that cancer. And it can also tell me the effectiveness of alternative agents against that cancer, either supplements or off-label meds, including ivermectin. Now, when I've studied, uh, when I have done this lab on many patients, I have yet to see that it's cytotoxic, that ivermectin is it will kill the cells of cancer. Each time that I've done that test, we've come back and it's shown zero effectiveness through a cytotoxic mechanism. So it helps us understand that the mechanisms are happening sort of indirectly to help the body fight the cancer.

SPEAKER_00

And something else that's so interesting about that is that we know that the chemotherapy drugs themselves are carcinogenic. And a lot of patients that go under chemotherapy, we know informed consent is a problem in conventional medicine. But a lot of them go into it not understanding that that drug may help to kill their current cancer, but it can cause a secondary cancer down the road. And then oncologists also are not disclosing that they can actually purchase the on the chemotherapy drugs and then they mark them up and sell them to the patient. So they're not disclosing that they receive a profit from that. And to give our audience an idea about the US spending on oncology drugs, I and I I just looked this up. It's it's crazy. So um it has risen from 65 billion in 2019 to 99 billion in 2023. And, you know, and this is something that just kills me, Dr. Gessling, about these I call them the run-in-the-mill physicians, that they just blindly follow guidance and they're they're like, well, my organization says this, and this organization says this. And I'm like, do you just not realize who is funding your organizations? Like, do we just not understand that we have this pharmaceutical complex that is making a lot of money off of the chronic disease crisis in America and they are funding your institution? So, well, I um we need to pause for just a minute to go to break. If you are a nurse that is fed up with the sick care model, I have a solution for you. My name is Melissa Streitvater, and I am the owner and founder of the Functional Nurse Academy. FA is the most comprehensive functional medicine training program on the market, specifically tailored to nurses. It is self-paced and equips LPNs, RNs, and nurse practitioners to practice functional medicine, address the root causes of dysfunction, and start their independent functional medicine practices. At FA, you will learn how to order labs, functional health reports, create customized wellness plans, package and price your services, and even how to market your brand effectively. Graduates earn 90 nursing CEUs, and then they qualify for multiple board certification titles. They also will have access to our exclusive tools, such as our functional nurse toolkit, our social media and marketing kit, and I don't want to just train you and send you on your way. So you also will get access to me each month via the Functional Nurse Academy monthly mentorship program, where you will be able to attend a live class with me each month. So say goodbye to Sick Care and start your dream career as a functional medicine nurse. Enroll today at functional nurseacademy.com. This show is also syndicated on America Out Loud Talk Radio, on the Nurses Report radio show and podcast. So you can also find me there on any major app. Welcome back, everyone. This is Melissa Schreibbatter, and I am here today with Dr. Gasling, who is a board-certified medical doctor. She practices family medicine. She has been very, very bold and courageous when it comes to speaking out for informed consent and early treatment and things like ivermectin. So we are centering this show around ivermectin and all of the many health benefits. Welcome back, Dr. Gessling. Thank you. Glad to be here. Yes, of course. And so I just went on my rant about how much money the US is spending on things like oncology, on um oncology medications such as chemotherapy. And um I did want to, because I know we talked about how ivermectin has been used successfully in treatment protocols, um, such as um, you know, for for things like cancer. But I know that you mentioned that there are a variety of other health conditions. Like there's so many other health benefits to using ivermectin. So, what are some other health conditions that you are seeing that are improving with the use of ivermectin?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, it seems to be numerous. I've I've heard reports of ivermectin clearing at multiple sclerosis. I have had a patient tell me that she was using um topical ivermectin, which is available at um uh uh for human um purchase at some mainstream pharmacies, but you I know that there are also other forms available. Um, but topical ivermectin for warts and skin lesions, I've my patients know the versatility of this medication. And so it seems like I'm constantly hearing of benefits of use. And I can't say that I understand all of the mechanisms of action of what is happening, but I do know that we have science out there that's telling what it's doing with regard to the immune system and how it's treating underlying viral infections, and so that I can understand how it could it could help with some of these things, such as like a viral wart skin infection, which is super exciting. I mean, warts are so difficult and painful to treat. And so having something as simple as that is really um really incredible to know. And also it it seems to be only, you know, the beginning of learning all of the things that this medication can be beneficial for.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's really incredible. And what I what I love about it is that overall, and again, any pharmaceutical has has a risk, you know. So I always tell people, I'm like, you know, with pharmaceuticals, it's always that risk versus benefit assessment. Um, but but you know, when there are people that are struggling with chronic health conditions, autoimmune disorders, chronic Lyme disease, vaccine injuries, things like that, where there are these conditions where we know that there is immune system dysregulation. And with ivermectin, there may also be some immune modulation benefits, which a lot of people need. Because I think that the reason why we are seeing skyrocketing increases in cancer is because we have so many people walking around today with dysfunctional immune systems. And um, when we talk about you know, risk versus benefit and things like that, um, I think, and again, it's something that like I really need to like take a break from all of these things sometimes because it it is so absurd to see things like TAM flu being prescribed to pregnant women and children, and seeing, you know, the CDC recommend uh experimental COVID vaccinations to infants as young as six months old, but then the media and these large organizations that we know are funded by pharma will turn around and talk about how like dangerous and experimental ivermectin is. Um, when we talk about the safety profile of ivermectin, can you speak to um the safety of this medication um in comparison to um, let's see, uh I don't I don't want to say in comparison to Tamil flu, because we know that that's just god awful. Um, but basically about um ivermectin. Um, what are um the like potential side effects of that? Can you speak to the safety profile?

SPEAKER_02

Sure. So the safety profile is is incredibly good. The um acute side effects are the main acute side effect can be an aura that develops in your vision that is temporary and goes away if you stop the medication. And there is um nothing that I'm aware of that indicates that that visual side effect is anything but temporary. Um, there um seem to be very little acute side effects, potentially some nausea. Um, but geez, it's a very well-tolerated medicine. And the dose that we used um for viral infections is a little bit more than um the weight-based dosing that we use for parasitic infections. And we also use it daily, and parasitic infections are typically weekly. Um, and so I um I really haven't, I just honestly have not seen many side effects as far as use in my patients, and I've been using it for approximately five, four and a half years now.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and and also another thing um that I really like about it is that um it's been available for medical use for over 40 years. And of course, um, I know you and I are both very holistically minded. I remember, you know, learning in nursing school, they were like, yeah, you don't want to be the first one to go get like a brand new medication. Um, you know, you want to, if you take something, you want to take something that's been out for a very long time because sometimes they put drugs on the market and then they're like, oh guys, it's safe. And then later it gets taken off the market because they figure out it causes cancer or something like that. But um, this medication has been so widely used globally for 40 years now. And again, like one of those medications that is remarkable because there's so many health benefits to it. Um, and and then it is it is very low risk. And, you know, when I look, like you mentioned that um you knew of a case where someone had really significant improvements in MS. You know, now MS, a um autoimmune, can it's an autoimmune neurological condition that can be really debilitating. And a lot of times the medical providers are, you know, giving them medications to treat their symptoms, um, or they are suppressing the immune system, which we know when we suppress the immune system, then that can cause dormant infections to become reactivated. That can increase that person's risk of things like cancer. And when we look at these medications that don't suppress the immune system and may help to modulate the immune system, may help to clear up infections, which we know with autoimmune conditions, there's that like infection. Um, we know that infections are known triggering factors to autoimmune conditions. So that would make sense to me why ivermectin would be helpful in a case of MS. Um, now with the patients in your practice, have you, or are you um using this frequently to aid in the treatment of other autoimmune conditions?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yes, frequently. I use it to aid in the treatment of many conditions. Um it's an adjunctive um medication for many of my cancer patients that have been coming to me. It's an adjunctive treatment for those with autoimmune disease, adjunctive treatment or specific treatment for those with vaccine injury, potentially long COVID. Uh I'm using it, like we said earlier, for viral infections.

SPEAKER_00

Um yeah, for a lot of things. And I also wanted to ask you specifically about um vaccine injury, um, especially talking about the COVID vaccine injury, because we're starting to see there's more evidence that a lot of these individuals that are suffering from long COVID are actually suffering from the COVID vaccine injury because we know that there's a there's a lot of problems with these products. And we know the conventional system is just not, they're not really even doing anything for long COVID. They're gaslighting the patients that are suffering from the vaccine injuries. And I have um I have heard that one of the mechanisms of action of ivermectin is that um it may have the capacity to bind to spike protein. Have you heard that?

SPEAKER_02

The the ivermectin to specifically bind the spike protein? Yes. I am not sure, I think it does. I'm pretty sure it does. Um, there is a mechanism of action schematic that you can um search online, and it shows about 20 different mechanisms of action of how it helps with um COVID infection or potentially long COVID infection or um spicopathy with um vaccine injury where you have prolonged production of spike product spike protein.

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SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and I also wanted to ask you. So, you know, we know when the experimental mRNA products were released on the CDC's website, they had a statement and it was like, oh yeah, you know, you just give the shot into the deltoid, which are our listers, that's your shoulder muscle. And the CDC was like, don't worry, you know, um, your immune system will just break down that spike protein. Um, but then there was never any reference for that. They never had a source listed, but a lot of, you know, so-called experts were taking that false information from the CDC and then telling their patients it's just not possible to have long-term health consequences because we know the spike protein is degraded pretty quickly, but we know from the Pfizer pharmacokinetic study that Pfizer did not want to release that the lipid nanoparticles do biodistribute to all major organs. And we also don't know how long that the body is going to be creating spike protein for. So, do you find that in your patients who are injured from the COVID vaccines? Um, do you think that um it is possible, even years out, that their cells may still be producing spike protein? Like, like what do you think are the main factors there that are, you know, causing and contributing to this injury?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah. So we have multiple studies that have been done now that are showing prolonged production of spike protein, even two years out. And in fact, there was one that's mainstream pretty recently. I think it was from Harvard, maybe it was Yale. I get it mixed up. I can't remember exactly, but it showed it after I think it was around 700, 788 days, is what's in my mind, that they're still seeing spike protein production. Mechanisms of action are numerous on how that's happening. Um, it could, it could uh we knew early 2022, I think, that um we were seeing the integration of the genome from the vaccine into hepatocytes, which are liver cells. And so there was integration of the um of the mRNA backwards integration, um, where basically it gets taken from RNA and transcribed into DNA and then integrated into um cells within your body. So we know that's happening. We know that it can take um basically over the machinery of the cell to make prolonged production of the spike protein. We also know that there is um uh potential integration into the microbiome of your gut and um taking over those bacteria and they can be little spike-producing factories. There's also DNA contamination, significant DNA contamination in that has been found through some different researchers um of Moderna and Pfizer. That is the DNA, not the actual RNA, but the DNA that is made that is um used in the production of the vaccine is can is significantly um elevated, like up to 30%, in the vaccines. So it doesn't even have to be transcribed backwards. Um, it doesn't even have to go into the DNA form. Many of the vaccine vials already have the DNA form, which can then be integrated into your cells.

SPEAKER_00

You know, and it really is shocking to me. Like I cannot believe these products are on the market. And, you know, I've been in healthcare for a long time, and you know, every every medication or intervention, there could be a potential side effect. But again, there's always that risk versus benefit, you know, and you need to have properly functioning regulating agencies to ensure that we don't have dangerous products on the market that don't have much benefit to them. And I've also seen the studies on negative effects that we see the people that have had more boosters are more susceptible not just to COVID, but to other infections. And um, I have had, I mean, I can't even imagine, oh, I just can't believe the kind of things that I have seen as a nurse. And I don't see how it's not obvious to other people. You know, I know that there are a lot of people in healthcare waking up to it, but the individuals, the professionals working in the system, they're surrounded by group think still. And a lot of people don't feel comfortable speaking out about it. But um, with I've also had several people crying in my office about how they got the vaccines. They didn't want to, but they were pressured to get them, and now they're learning about safety issues and their concerns. So, do you have any um, you know, advice, any words of wisdom for people who maybe did receive COVID vaccines? Like if there's anything that they can do proactively to support their health?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah, I have a lot. So the the typical sequence of events that I do in my clinic for patients that are um obviously suffering from vaccine and injury where, you know, chronologically their symptoms develop soon after the vaccine. Um, we there is currently not a commercially available test where I can go in and check their blood and say, oh yeah, you have a lot of spike protein. But there is a spike antibody test that we can do. And they're very commonly off the charts, like above, you know, above the upper limit of normal for that particular antibody against spike, which indicates that there's probably still a lot of circulating spike. Um, and so when they come in, what we do, I have a spike shield product that I can send you the link to that I developed that specifically targets the spike protein, helps break it down. It's got nato kinase and bromelin in it. Um, it's got dandelion root, which helps prevent spike from attaching to the ACE receptor. It's got some other amazing ingredients such as black cumin seed, um, curcumin, black pepper. And I've had several patients that have told me that they have dramatic. Improvement of you know their symptoms that they started having after getting the vaccine with just doing that supplement, such as elimination of arrhythmias, palpitations, um, improvement in fatigue, those types of things. So I do do that. But the main, the main thing is cleaning up everything to unburden the system. I have started ivermectin on many, if not all. Um, and then um eliminating inflammatory foods, like you mentioned, for certain get rid of all seed oils, which are in just about everything from the store. You can just, you know, like always, just stay on the outsides of the grocery store, um, except the bread, the bread, a lot of the bread acid in it too. But get rid of sugar, carbs, and seed oils, do whole foods. I know that um I do um recommend to a lot of patients to do carnivore type diet. It's the least inflammatory diet, and then detoxifying their system in many other ways, removing aluminum and their anacoscerin or chloride in their toothpaste, making sure that their water is not toxic so that they're not having to handle that type of daily toxin exposure, um, making sure that they're de-stressing and getting plenty of sleep. Um, and then another important thing is this it's the mind-body connection. I truly believe that you're able to heal almost any disease through the um absolutely powerful effects of the mind. And so if you're if you're potentially continuing to make spike protein, um, I just tell my patients to have in their mind the continuous thought to tell the body to shut the production down that it's harmful. I say, think about it. Tell your body, shut that production down, this is harmful. And so I feel like it's also sort of the same process that can happen when you're healing yourself of an autoimmune disease. When you're in that state of having an autoimmune disease, your body is attacking itself. It's making a protein that is not beneficial for your body. And so you can heal that autoimmune disease through many mechanisms, but it's the same thing that's happening in somebody that has a vaccine injury. Their body is producing a protein that is not good for their body. And so you go in and you help the body, you know, heal itself, but then you also sort of direct the body mentally. Stop making this protein. You can do lots of, you know, the different herbs and supplements and off-label medications to help with this and detoxifying, but it's it's it's a very complex process, but many patients can get better.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I love that you're so hopeful about this. And I also I really wish that more providers have this mindset because, again, the mind, body, spirit, it is so, it is so important, guys. And, you know, I think that what can be really detrimental to the health of a patient is when they have their white coat doctor, someone in a position of authority that is telling them you have this chronic disease, it is progressive, there is no cure. Your only option is to take these medications. And then if you believe that if you truly believe that you're not going to get better, it's very likely you're not going to get better. And these are even validated in the scientific literature via the placebo and the nocebo effect. And and I also really like to utilize um for the clients I work with that do have a prayer life, do have a connection with God. I always um like to incorporate that as well. Because um, and also when you're talking about the supplements that can help um to degrade spike protein, I also really believe that God, he knew that this was gonna happen because he knows that there is evil in the world. We live in a fallen world. And I really believe that he has provided us with the tools and the resources in this earth to heal our bodies. But I think, like with the study that I saw about nanokinase and its ability to degrade spike protein, I think was really, really magnificent. And then, you know, and again, like I do have hope that in um with the change of administration that we may have like we'll actually have good government funding to find out how to help these individuals that have been so severely injured by the COVID vaccines. But I do think with just the small studies that we've had so far on these like natural ingredients like the bromelane, like the nano kinase. And then there are so many, um, there, there's there's so much, also so much anecdotal um, you know, stories of people starting these types of protocols and getting better. I mean, we we can't ignore it. Like we have solutions for these people. But um I think it's really unfortunate that, you know, so much of the medical community still refuses to acknowledge that like the COVID vaccine injuries are real. Now, what are you seeing? Um, I know I'm in Tennessee. I still see that like it seems like a lot of the functional and holistic providers um are aware of this, but it seems like a lot of the conventional docs. I mean, I'm like, can you get your head any further in the sand? What are you seeing in your community with healthcare professionals?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I don't. I have occasionally have a patient tell me here and there that they have like a specialist or, you know, some contact with another physician that they, you know, do believe that the vaccine injury situation, particularly with the COVID vaccine, is real. But it's still very, very rare. It's extraordinary. The the mainstream, the mainstream community, medical community is still extraordinarily blind to that, to that reality.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and it really, and and you know, I'm at the point where I'm kind of like, if they're not figuring it out now, they're probably not. And for those that pray, we just need to pray for them. But um that is about all the time that we have today. And if you guys want to check out Dr. Gessling's work, um, you can um we're gonna be posting her links in the show notes. And you can also find her at gessling familywellness.com. And then um also I wanted to ask Dr. Gessling, do you have any like social media handles or anything like that? Like, are there other ways that um our followers can find you?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I'm on Facebook. You can just search Heather Gisling. I'm on Twitter at Heather Gisling, I'm on Instagram, Heather GesslingMD. Um, I'm on LinkedIn. Let's see.

SPEAKER_00

I think that's it. Okay, awesome. And I was really excited to see that you have three locations. I think that's fantastic. And I wanted to ask you, um, are you able to do like telemedicine for patients who are out of state?

SPEAKER_02

So I can do a consultation for patients that are out of state, but I can't technically prescribe or order a testing for patients that are out of state. Um, but I do do a lot of telehealth. Um, and yeah, I do have three locations in the state of Missouri. I have I'm in Boonville, Missouri, Macon, Missouri, and Chillicothe, Missouri.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, that's wonderful. Well, I'm I'm so glad that's such an asset that you're also able to do consultations because there are just so there are, there's such a need. There's such a need for this, you know, to have a provider that understands all of these things and is holistically minded. So um thank you so much for joining us today. And yeah, I would love to have you back sometime. And I really appreciate you taking the time out of your busy schedule to come join us. Yeah, it's been great. You have an open invitation whenever you want to come back. This was great. I think the show is gonna help so many people. That is all the time that we have today. Thank you so much for tuning in. If you want to learn more about the Functional Nurse Academy, please feel free to register for our next live webinar, and you will see that link in the show notes. You can also check out Functional Nurse Academy on our social media platforms or on our website at functional nurseacademy.com. Until next time, be safe, be well, and God bless.