“She a Tomboy, She’ll grow out of it”

“She’s a Tomboy, She’ll Grow Out of It” is a powerful and emotional episode of A Mouth Full Experience Podcast that dives deep into the journey of transitioning from female to male — and the painful reality of being dismissed by the people who should love you the most.

Too often, families and friends respond to trans identity with denial, insisting “it’s just a phase.” This episode confronts that narrative head-on, giving voice to the lived experiences behind it.

🎤 Featuring Prince Emir (@thereal369prince)

Activist, LGBTQ+ Advocate, and West Coast Ballroom member (House of Nike), Prince Emir opens up in one of his most vulnerable interviews yet. He shares:

• His personal transition journey
• The emotional toll of being told he’ll “grow out of it”
• How ballroom culture became a sanctuary
• His mission to advocate for trans youth and community visibility


Emir’s story is raw, heartfelt, and a reminder that authenticity often requires courage long before acceptance arrives.

🎶 Musical Performance by Raw Canne (@Raw.Canne)

Legend in the making Raw Canne blesses the episode with a soul-stirring performance of her single “Autism” from her album Pure Sugar. Her artistry adds emotional depth and resonance, turning this episode into both testimony and performance.

💬 Topics We Explore

• Trans identity & family denial
• Gaslighting disguised as concern
• Ballroom culture as chosen family
• Activism, artistry, and living authentically


This episode is a celebration of truth, resilience, and the communities that hold us when the world refuses to understand.

If this episode moved you, remember to follow, like, and subscribe to the channel for more powerful conversations and performances.

Live video available on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@AMouthFullExperience 

Kawasi, @kawasiofficial [Singer, Songwriter, Executive Producer]
Andrew Wells, @iamandremonroe [Writer, Actor, Executive Producer]

Transcript

SPEAKER_09 0:26

Hey, what's up everybody? I'm Quasi and I'm 100, and this is an incredible guest with us today. You know, Ballroom Legend. But we're gonna get to that later. Andre, tell us what we're drinking and what we're eating on today.

SPEAKER_07 0:42

Alright, so you know, first of all, we have Nanas Impanadas. What's the name? Nanos. Okay. I just realized that. Um they do have a couple locations. I got these ones from the Grand Central Market. So they do traditional empanadas, but then also they do some crazy flavors and stuff.

SPEAKER_09 1:00

Um what we got on this board here?

SPEAKER_07 1:02

So we have a guava and cream, we have a pineapple cream, strawberry cheesecake.

SPEAKER_09 1:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:07

They have uh beef samosas, uh, pepperoni pizza. That one's mine, that's why I put it on right there. Um they have a chicken teriyaki, and then also they have um I don't know. They just they do a whole bunch of crazy. They have a macaroni and cheese flavoring one. They have well it couldn't be on this board because somebody's allergic to everything. I'm allergic to everything. They have a Nutella and one of my favorite ones. Well, uh, they have a Nutella and cream one, they have a banana and dos leches. So they they'd be doing it.

SPEAKER_09 1:35

So so we so we need to basically visit this, and we got some very picky eaters in the audience, and they and they they certify, you know. Y'all vouch for this, right?

SPEAKER_07 1:44

Okay and then as far as wine, uh, you know, since we are doing empanadas in America. Okay. So we have this uh interesting, uh, it's gonna be a Mexican churra uh technically it's a chat because it does have the ingredients because it has the ganache, it has the muvedra, and it has a little bit of software.

SPEAKER_09 2:03

So, Andre.

SPEAKER_07 2:04

So technically, I would categorize it as that, but it is more heavy on the ganache.

SPEAKER_09 2:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 2:09

If anybody knows, a lot of uh wine companies or a lot of vineyards when it comes down to gunache, they blend it, they blend that grape in particular to give it a little bit more lightness to it, to make it more easier on the palate. Because Chira is a very, very, it's a good grape, but it's a very bold grape. And so in France, where Chatinger Paf derived from, yeah, that's where they have the actual GSM stigma.

SPEAKER_09 2:35

And see, this this is why it's very important for whoever y'all think you know black men don't know they shit when it comes to wine and cheeses. Andre's living proof that we do. And guess who's sponsoring us today? Roll and sip. Y'all, the best wine psych lemonade and and and um what, eateries, like what? Egg rolls. Oh we got their egg rolls. Y'all make it a lot of money. Chicken picks a lot of egg rolls, we're amazing. Yeah, with the sauce with the cream sauce and everything. So shout out to Roll and Sip Let. And we have their lavender lemonade. I want I want, you know, you know, our very special guest, uh, you know, Prince Amir. Can you please introduce yourself and just tell us who you are?

SPEAKER_01 3:16

Yes. So I am Prince Amir. I am Prince of the Imperial Courts, Reign 55 of Los Angeles and Hollywood. Very good. And I am also transman realness in the ballroom scene. Yes. And I also am an advocate and an activist. Yes. I do not get paid for this, but I do love to help the LGBT youth community for housing name change and also just in general.

SPEAKER_09 3:39

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 3:40

Yeah, that's what I do.

SPEAKER_09 3:42

Wow. Thank you for joining us today. I appreciate it. Andre, tell us what's what's the title of this episode?

SPEAKER_07 3:48

You know, it's uh it's called She's a Tomboy, she'll grow out of it. And it when it comes down to it, uh, we're talking about the whole concept of um trans men and female to male transgender. And the thing is, I think it's a very underlooked uh kind of concept.

SPEAKER_09 4:05

Uh rightfully so, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 4:06

You know, um, and this is why, because you know, with me, when I first moved back to LA, uh, my roommate, yeah, and he had it, you know, he had a struggle identity when it comes down to it.

SPEAKER_03 4:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 4:19

And me being ignorant, because you know what? I didn't know. Yeah. And I think this is one of those things where you have to be vocal when it comes down to these concepts. So this is this is what you're feeling. You need to talk to your friends. And if your friends are really your friends, they're gonna respect you.

SPEAKER_09 4:34

And unfortunately, we still live in this bullshit as you know, white patriarchal world where you know misogyny exists in every form. I want you to tell us when was the first time you realized who you were and how did that make you feel, you know, and were you supported in that?

SPEAKER_01 4:52

That's a really important question. Because I've had a meaning, many awakenings of who I was and what I identify as.

SPEAKER_04 5:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 5:01

Because there was a difference. I knew my sexuality, but I wanted to know who I was in general.

SPEAKER_09 5:06

Right.

SPEAKER_01 5:06

Like I knew that I was pansexual, I knew that I loved human beings in general.

SPEAKER_09 5:09

Me too, I'm pansexual.

SPEAKER_01 5:10

I love human beings. Like, I love souls, I love that people like get to share their vulnerability, I love that people get to share their brain and what they know.

SPEAKER_04 5:17

Right.

SPEAKER_01 5:18

So that will automatically like it won't it won't identify me of who I am as a person every day.

SPEAKER_04 5:23

Right.

SPEAKER_01 5:23

So who I am as a person every day, I'm I'm still learning still.

SPEAKER_03 5:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

This this isn't this is it's like a non-stop like healing journey.

SPEAKER_03 5:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:32

You know what I mean? We're still healing from whatever we we dealt with as children, as teenagers, as individuals today. Yeah, you know what I mean? And now that we're finding ourselves today, there's a lot of still barriers and a lot of um, I guess ignorance, you can say. And I don't want to say that I support Trump because I don't, but I'm kind of glad that people are realizing what they've been neglecting in the real world. And it's like, yes, do you not now you guys are realizing that Trump is president. Now you see what we've been voicing about every freaking day before he was president.

SPEAKER_09 6:12

And you know, it's so funny because everybody's so fucking shocked. They're so shocked that Trump is doing this and he's doing that and then doing this and that. You know, the motherfucker told you who he was. He told you he was, and now that we're getting him and seeing him in his true light, you know, it it is and especially for the trans community. I feel like I I say this on the last season, I'll say it again. I feel like when the world represents or or recognizes trans people of color, they changed the world. I feel like it's a most important voice. Yes, we do. You know what?

SPEAKER_07 6:43

It was funny because even uh before we started, you know, Prince of Bear, you said something very, very profound. Yeah. Uh and we talked about this, just the recognition when you're talking about black trans women. Right. And this is where you even said, like, for you, just your plight, it's just like, you know, you don't want to disrespect it, but like at the same time, you because you acknowledge, yeah, you know, uh, active when it comes down to gay rights, we would not even have activism when it comes down to a black trans woman.

SPEAKER_09 7:10

Shout out to Marsha P. Johnson, yes, you know, and and and understanding that even in the trans community, even in the gay community, black women stood at the forefront of it. Let's go. So I have a question for you. So, what are some of the miscon most misconceptions that you want to address when it comes to your gender identity?

SPEAKER_01 7:28

Well, I can say an example. Ballroom, you know.

SPEAKER_09 7:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

People expect transman realness just to be real every day. Every day it's like, oh, okay, how real can you pass? It's more like, did you get pressed today? Oh, tense. Did the cops antagonize to you? Tense. Tense. Well, to me, it's harassment and it's it's mentally and emotionally very drastically draining. You know, to you it's tense. To me, it's like, this is my reality, and this is who I have to, this is what I have to deal with every day. It's not just a game, it is not just a grand prize. This is my everyday realness, and it's it's hardship, and it's something that I have to earn as an individual that not only that trans men go through this, but women in general. And it's it's hard to recognize that as a strong individual.

SPEAKER_09 8:22

So let me get this straight. You are rewarded in the ballroom community when you are antagonized and pressed in in your daily life for passing.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

That and also as masculine as you can represent. Right. And as like real as you can be.

SPEAKER_09 8:42

Right. And it's not even a this is uh passing. Right. This is just who the fuck you are, it's not even, you know, this is this is just who you are. That's that that's incredible. And I know you had something to say. Sorry.

SPEAKER_07 8:53

You know, also too, or just like, you know, who are like currently some role models that you are looking up, like look up to, and that you feel like are saying, addressing the issues about what you're dealing with when they're forefront.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

One of my main three models, for one, is Lathe Ashley. Oh, I love Body Goals. Love Laith. Body goals. Lathe is a friend of mine. Yes, I love him. Great, great, great person. And then my very second is he is Emperor of the Imperial Courts. He is Michael, and he does a lot in the transgender health community a lot, a lot. It makes a huge difference in Imperial in the Imperial Courts.

SPEAKER_09 9:32

Yeah. How is your um mental health? How do you how do you deal with, you know, dealing with it's it's very much challenging.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

It is, I'm not gonna lie to you. Every day there's always an obstacle. Every day it's either I'm really dealing with something very mental, like that's triggering, yeah, or emotionally where I'm like being gaslighted and I'm like, I I know I practice this every day, you know what I mean? It's almost like having to love yourself, having to sell self-care. Yeah, it's not every day for a trans man to self-love themselves because it's really difficult.

SPEAKER_03 10:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

Especially when we're being neglected from our parents, from our family, from our peers, from our acquaintances, from our friends, just overall in our community, because even my very own community sometimes neglect me.

SPEAKER_04 10:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:14

And they say, Oh, I'm here for you. But it's like you have expectations as well for me. Yeah. You know, we're all not perfect.

SPEAKER_09 10:20

So for anyone that is right now in the journey of becoming, you know, their full identity, uh, whether it be female to male, male to female, what do you know now that you did not know, and what advice would you give them? And you can take your time.

SPEAKER_01 10:44

For me, like, when I came out as trans as a trans man, I came out out as a trans man non-binary. But that was because a lot of people were uncomfortable with me, and I didn't know how to be comfortable with them. So I was like, hey, so whenever I see a female, like a cis, a cis female individual, I'll be like, hey girl, like I'm you can be comfortable with me. I'm one of the girls, you know what I mean? Performative performance. And then when it came to like a man, I'll be like, What's up, bro? Then when it came to be a gay man, I'll be like, I'm trade. I'm chilling. Like, I'm gonna- Yah, y'all got me, y'all got my back. I don't gotta I don't gotta try too hard. You guys you guys love me, you guys praise me, you guys be like, whoa, gag. That's yeah, you know, and I I I I I appreciate that because then I'm humble and then I get educated. I'm like, oh, then then I'm realizing that gay men are just like you know, they struggle a lot mentally too.

SPEAKER_03 11:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:37

And as much as we can degrade the gay, the gay community, the gay man specifically. I learned a lot mentally when it came to just the man in general, mentally and emotionally, that men go through a lot and we're hushed a lot.

SPEAKER_07 11:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:52

Because we have to man up, even as gay individuals.

SPEAKER_07 11:55

Well, like I said, there's too many factions.

SPEAKER_01 11:57

Right.

SPEAKER_07 11:58

And then no, it it's the whole thing. It's just like everybody's like, well, this is like your plight is different than my plight, and this is a problem at how we get separated. Because the thing is at the end of the day, we are have the one whole common goal, and it's about us being accepted.

SPEAKER_09 12:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 12:15

And that's the one thing that we really need a voice. Because the thing is, it's like, in order for you to be accepted, you have to accept other people.

SPEAKER_09 12:22

You do, you do, and it starts with you. And uh, before we get too deep in this episode, I want to give a shout out. We have an incredible performance by Raw Cain today on the show. Uh, she's gonna tie a bow on this episode, so we want to just give a shout out to her and just you know, give love, we love you, and we cannot wait to uh you know get to know you well. So and so I I have another question for you. Um, how important is your support system? And does that look like you thought it would look? Is your family there? Or do you feel like you had to create a new family? And I knew there's a lot of questions. Did your family structure change as you as you came out and you became a mere?

SPEAKER_01 13:06

Well, my family in general. I can say they did support and they didn't. It's more like they accepted me that I am who I am, but they're not gonna accept what I'm becoming. And that's a person that's with boundaries, with growth, and with education. And it's more like I'm not trying to degrade my mother's or my sisters or my brothers like knowledge. It's more like, yeah, you guys taught me a lot, but like I've learned along the way in a spiritual journey that the the best teacher is the student.

SPEAKER_09 13:42

I need you to say that one more time for the somebody in the back.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

The best teacher is a student, and it's real.

SPEAKER_09 13:49

Yeah, my grandmother told me, uh, our repeated grandmother, and I I speak about her a lot, but she said that she never turned her tassel because when you feel like you graduated, you don't know shit. And so she was constantly in in the student phase of her life. And she allowed me to grow up in a safe space because she never assumed, and she she she grew. So I just I love that that's one of your core principles that you even say that. Alright. Thank you.

SPEAKER_07 14:22

Also, too, it's just like, you know, this is one of the actually really important questions because this is something that I had to deal with with my one friend T Easton, was just like, how do you respond when people misgender you?

SPEAKER_01 14:32

I get misgendered all the time, but it's not because of my like my transness, it's more because the way I carry myself, like my queerness. You know what I mean? And it's like I respect individuals when sometimes I clock my own tea. I'd be telling them, I'd be like, I'm trans. They'd be like, whoa, and I'm just like so so how is that?

SPEAKER_09 14:57

Like, do you do so be become be you're you're trans male? Do people confuse you and call you a gay male? And like how how is that how is that space?

SPEAKER_00 15:08

When they come to me when they come when they call me a gay man, I'm like, because I'm always in barroom medicine, I'm always in barroom medium, okay.

SPEAKER_05 15:17

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:19

But when it when besides the like the barroom, like for all, for all, like in like and keep it like keep it real, it does hurt a little bit, yeah. But that is up to me if I am confident and secure with myself. Okay. That's all it takes. It's just security and vulnerability.

SPEAKER_09 15:40

Yeah. My grandmother always says, It's not what they call you, is what your answer to. How you respond. Yeah. And and so I it I just want to let people understand how courageous it is and how brave it is for you to sit here in your space telling your own story your way. I just when I first met you, you have a light, you have an energy, and the fact that most of your life is dedicated to things that are bigger than you. You're the probably the you're the most selfless person I know, and you give so much of your time. Can you speak to the philanthropic things that you do, the charitable things that you do? Yes. And uh, you know, let people know where to find you or how to find you actually right now.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

So, like my Instagram is the real369 Prince. So, what I do before the organizations recognize what I was doing, every day I will literally sit with suicidal ideation in my bed talking about why what is my what is my life about? What is my purpose? I'm sorry, it is a delicate conversation. For me, it it is it's still hectic. So as I sit there with my thoughts, I'm asking not just God, but the universe, even myself, even my mirror, even my my peers, even with you. Who am I? Why do I matter? You in a save space, I just we are the future is who I am. I am the difference and I matter every day. No matter if nobody recognizes that. I save lives every day. And nobody knows. Not even the person themselves. But they thank me, they tell me when they succeed, where I push them, because that's where they're capable of. I push them like this is who you're capable of, this is who you are as a person. Please keep going. They're asking me, why do you do this? You're you're a freaking weirdo. No, I'm just thriving, and I want you to live the reason why I'm leaving today. You if I see you down, I want you to get back up and have no reason to have an excuse. I don't have an excuse. Every day I have my obstacles, every day I have my hardships. I could talk about what happened to me yesterday and the day before, but we don't have to go there. My main thing is I just want to make sure everybody's alright and there's a message that's been said, and at least someone out there, someone out there understands what that message really freaking means. I can say something right now, and it can mean many different varieties of perspection when it comes to everyone, themselves.

SPEAKER_09 19:00

Thank you.

SPEAKER_07 19:01

That you know what that's it made me feel weird because I mean this empanada right this and that this is one of the big issues is because I feel like especially too with a lot of youth, it's just like they're struggling and they feel like they don't have this a lot, and it's just like I feel like mental health and just the awareness and just like knowing where like being comfortable with yourself, and it's just like it's so hard to like address that. And I feel like some that's why so many people go through what they go through, and it's just like for you to be up here, and that's fucking brave. It's vulnerable, and it's just and I just it's it's very vulnerable. Somebody is gonna see this and they're gonna be like, you know what, you made it, you you're you know what, you made it and you're still going through it, but you're still thriving. They're gonna know like I can still go on. Yes. And so this is this is powerful.

SPEAKER_09 19:59

And it segues into uh men are 19% more likely to commit suicide because society has placed men in these uh unrealistic uh categories where most men cry in pain, there the the the these expectations about what it means to be a man. I you know, and I and I and I kind of deal dealt with it too. We don't have the spaces where we can cry. We don't have the spaces where we can be vulnerable, you know, and and and if we we in in a lot of instances we can't even hug other men without being called gay, yeah being called queer. Or without being uh uh assumed that we're fucky. So so this this this is a much needed conversation. And to all the men that are watching out there, you're not alone. Clearly you're not alone. Like we this is a safe space, and like I dealt with depression, I dealt with suicidal thoughts, I dealt with it all, and if I didn't have the support system in my friends and in the person that loves me, I would not even be here. And I just want y'all to understand this shit is so much bigger than it's happening to you, it's happening to me, but it's so much bigger than us. So this is why we share light, this is why we have these tough conversations because no one else is having them. They don't give a fuck about if we live or die.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

They don't. So when it comes when it comes to that, every day when I think about my suicidal ideation, I don't I don't dwell on it. I don't try to, you know, I don't try to be like, hey, this is me, this is me, this is what I'm going through. No, I try to keep it to myself because you do not deserve my baggage. You have your own. And that's that's fair. How about this? You have baggage, I got baggage, let's do something about it. Let's throw the anchor and let's just enjoy the ocean, just floating. Enjoy it, embrace anything. That's what I've learned. Yeah, I've learned to embrace any struggle. Yeah, it's not a struggle.

SPEAKER_09 22:00

Me, yeah, it's a blessing, it's a blessing, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

And that's that's when I want to go about when I'm when I'm going through it. I'm like, they're telling me, hey, go through this, go through this runway. I'm like, I'm too freaking depressed. How the fuck you guys doing this? But but but you but you shouldn't have any excuse, right? Remember, you're telling me this is what this is what you're sharing. Okay. I could either be like, you're a bitch, or I could be like, you know what, you could be my inspiration. Right. You're my push, what I need. Either or it's up to you how you take it.

SPEAKER_07 22:28

No, sometimes you just want to burn, like, you I I just think it's also too we have to acknowledge where you know people just in the queer community and all factions of it, it's just like we go through all this stuff and it's just like we can't, you know, we it's just like sometimes you just get sick of fighting, but you know what? You gotta keep fighting. Right.

SPEAKER_09 22:52

You know, we can't get apathetic, you mean? Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 22:55

We can't, and like you know, the fact that you keep pushing through, that's just it speaks volumes.

SPEAKER_09 23:00

I I want to segue to that. What is your uh view on the current administration?

SPEAKER_01 23:06

The Trump the Trump administration?

SPEAKER_09 23:08

And how that relates to how you fit into this world. You know, as in today are you in fear with the trump. Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

So like I said, I could talk about what I went through yesterday or the day before. So wait, what? We're on that. What I what I went through the day what I what I go through yesterday and the day before. It's just a metaphor. It's just something that I really go through every day. Daily, yeah. I go through every day. Just like the other day, my cousins challenged me, talking about, oh, you're trans because you got touched. And I'm like, no, I got touched because I was trans. Wow. And they want to expose me. And it's wow. And that was I was trying to protect my identity because I don't know who I was. I'm just a little kid trying to understand who I was. You know what I mean? And then another example. The very next day, I get pulled over for not having. Obviously, I'm sorry, I don't appropriate, I do not condone this, but I drive without a license because I'm it's it's it's billions of us out there. Sorry, I'm just trying to be responsible over here.

SPEAKER_09 24:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:05

And I got pulled over by the cops, but it wasn't because I was swerving or because I don't have a license. They pulled me over because of my tattoos. And I'm like, I'm used to that.

SPEAKER_03 24:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:14

It's cool, I guess. My realness got me my tens with the cops. Okay. Yeah. Got pulled over. And they're like, hey, do you have license or registration? I tell them I don't have a license. I give them my registration, my everything for the car. The legit the legitimate things that I had to provide for my car. Instead of asking for my name and my gender, like he's supposed to, he took me out of my he took me out of my car and claimed that he was detaining me, but he was detaining me. Right. And I told him, Are you aware of who I am? Have you checked my ID? No? I'm I'm screaming bloody murder. Yeah. There's a witness there. I'm telling him, I am born female. Hum humiliating myself. Right. Having to tell him my boundaries. I'm like, look, I have every right to ask for a sergeant and to ask for a female police officer. He didn't give me a choice. And you didn't even ask me for my name or my gender. You didn't just assume right away what you're looking at.

SPEAKER_03 25:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:16

He's searching me. As he's searching me, he's about to search. The main thing. I'm telling him, yo, before you get down there, check my ID before or check my name. I haven't legally changed my name because I just got off a situation. We can go there. Um I just got off a situation. We could talk about it later on. And as I'm advocating for myself, I'm telling him, that is my vagina. And he's asking me, Oh, what are you hiding there? And I'm later, I literally just I just told you that's my vagina. And he's like, what are you hiding there? He grabs it. I say that's my vagina. He keeps going. Keeps going. Because of his ego and his pride. And he thought because of my tattoos.

SPEAKER_09 25:58

So who are we suing?

SPEAKER_01 26:00

Oh, I'm in the middle of that already. I have my lawyer working on the works already. Because what the fuck? Yeah, I'm just gonna sue the LAPD, the city council, the chiefs, and those two individuals, particularly. That's what I go through every day. That's not that's not my first rodeo. It won't be my last, and it's it's not okay, but at least I'm practicing my human rights, and they obviously went against them.

SPEAKER_07 26:23

Wow. But you know what the one thing that you did do? You knew your rights. Right. And that's something where we have to talk about this. You have to, in situations, know your rights.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

I practice him every day. His joke was like, oh, you watch all those TikToks, huh? I'm like, dude, it's funny. I wish. But I'm actually an advocate. I'm actually an activist. I'm actually Prince of Imperial Court system.

SPEAKER_09 26:49

And you're actually a motherfucking human being. That part. Before anything. You're not a thing. Thank you. You know? I just, I just and and two of these officers out there, y'all need to be a motherfucking shamed of yourself. And and it's so crazy how they sexualize us long before we sexualize ourselves. And that and that's exactly what it was. You know, you didn't have to, you know, reduce yourself to even let them know a damn thing. You know what I mean? But here you are trying to meet these motherfuckers halfway of what they are. They're not even there. Like, they're in hell. Like, they don't, they they they're not trying to humanize you. They're super hell. Fuck the police. Fuck the police. But not sorry. I'm sorry, I'm pissed a little bit.

SPEAKER_07 27:38

Yeah, that's kind of it's jarring. And this is why when it comes down to like law enforcement, it's just like this. These are certain things where you have to be cognizant and you have to like take, you can't just be doing stuff like that.

SPEAKER_09 27:52

And like you say, you fighting every fucking day just to survive. You you're fighting every day. And I think people don't understand it is so hard to just even be, and then you go out and you you become who you truly are, and you think you finally made it, you finally there. Then you realize you ain't no fucking fighting.

SPEAKER_01 28:10

So I'm still fighting. And I'm still healing, I'm still growing. This it's a it's a non-stop thing.

SPEAKER_07 28:14

And then people are shocked when I don't know, let me be quiet. Because I'm just like, and now you know, because then you know what sometimes I want to fucking burn some shit down. Yeah. Probably shouldn't say that in LA, but you know. No, but this is the reason why. It's just like you do this stuff, and it's just like you wonder why people get so mad.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

But see, see, that's that's that's where I'm coming from. Instead of being so angry and attacking, because that's what I used to do. I should I used to be a crash out. I did five years in prison trying to fight everybody in the street. I ended up learning a lot in prison. I actually, it's prison saved my life. Prison is the reason why I transitioned.

SPEAKER_04 28:50

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

Because I wanted boxers, I had um penny, penny, one of those little penny things for the girls. I was like, I want boxers. And the cops was like, Are you trans? Why are you why haven't you said anything? Yeah, you're gonna take testosterone within the month. And then boom.

SPEAKER_04 29:06

Right.

SPEAKER_01 29:06

My first tea shot, I was crying to myself. I was I was very happy. Yep. I came.

SPEAKER_09 29:11

That's that's a that's a pretty good idea.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

I became a changed man when I when I became a crash out and I did I took my first testosterone and I got out. Yeah, I literally I ignored whatever I was before, and I am who I am today, and here I am. Like I'm becoming still growing. I'm I swear. Now I get to model for Translatina Coalition. It's called Garras every November. Shout out to Garras. Shout out to Garras. And we raised we basically raised charity for housing, for um gender marker change. Wow. For name change. And they do more. They do way more.

SPEAKER_09 29:42

Salute, salute. So you're not just about it, you're about it, you know? Yes. So I I I want to pivot really quick. So when you look in the mirror now, how do you feel? Do you feel like you you feel like who you're who you are? You know, like do you how is it different now where you were identifying one way and how you identify now? Do you feel more like yourself?

SPEAKER_01 30:01

I still have trouble convincing myself who I am, and I still have trouble giving myself credit. Because I don't. I don't give myself enough credit. Just like every some people do give me credit, but I'm like, it's okay. Yeah. It's what you needed. Yeah. It's what you deserved. But I do gotta give myself credit that I help people's life. You're helping me.

SPEAKER_09 30:18

You're helping me right now. Like I don't, I don't the conviction that you speak with and the learned experience, that's something you can't teach, you know? Like, you can't. But it it is so many people that I I know or have known that are going through, they don't even these conversations are not on the internet. You there's no manual to learn how to be trans or how to be true to your there's like and and they don't want us to really know who the fuck we are. Like, we have to go search and dive, and we have to fail a million times just to get halfway. And these motherfuckers got the cheat code, right? You know what I'm saying? So we're gonna keep putting this out and we're gonna keep helping people. And I just want to say thank you for just showing up. It was an honor. And you know, Andre, I keep cutting you off. I'm sorry. I know rude. I know, I'm a little rude.

SPEAKER_01 31:06

No, but I can see I can see him. I can read him, and I'm like, I I I love it. Thank you. What did it do? Your energy, you're passionate.

SPEAKER_09 31:14

Oh no, no, no, you he's trying to fight. He's trying to, he's trying to.

SPEAKER_07 31:17

I just you know, honestly, it's just like because sometimes it's just like you got to, you know, I you gotta fight. And uh the thing is it's like, you know, you have to like you gotta tell people, you know what? You gotta tell people who you are. You gotta tell people, you gotta tell people your boundaries, and I in like certain situations, you know, you can't do it all the time. Yeah. Because, you know, I just I and I just I commend you. Thank you because that the it and like I said, it's hard. Yeah. And when you are trying to leave your true self and somebody's telling you that's not it, yeah, and you, you know what, like people want to talk about turning the other cheek. It's like, bitch, I'm gonna turn the other cheek, but then you're gonna get an elbow in the face. I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 32:03

In the words of one of my favorite poets, Cardi B, when they go low, I'm going to hell.

SPEAKER_06 32:09

Cardi B. Somebody But you know what? Somebody's like Rehaswers a land to the Angel She goes, like, you go to hell, I'll go to hell on your back.

SPEAKER_07 32:17

You know, that's what I'm saying. Because like, it's just like it's you know, we always want to be respectful, and we always want to have that, like, when they go low, we go high. Sometimes you don't have to go low, but sometimes you need to tell somebody who the fuck you're about.

SPEAKER_09 32:32

Yeah, and I look at the same thing.

SPEAKER_07 32:34

Sometimes you need to tell people, you need to fucking shut the fuck up.

SPEAKER_09 32:37

And I'm I'm I'm not a Martin Luther Kingdom, I'm over Malcolm X. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just fucked fuck. We we we've been so docile, we've been so, you know, calm and collective, and that's what kept, you know, us enslaved for 400, 500 years. Sometimes you gotta arm yourself, and you know, and I'm not an advocate for violence, but sometimes people need their ass whooped. And this is a new trick TikTok trend going around where uh these white guys are antagonizing black guys, and you know, when we get pops in your mouth. Listen, and then then when the black they they push him or hit him, and then when the black guy goes to hit them, they pull out their phones and start recording. See, so you know, and and and it's been going to Alabama, like Georgia, so they're antagonizing them intentionally. Okay, and then when the black guy goes to attack them, they pull out the phone and start recording. But one of them learned, one of them learned, that boy knocked his ass out. That black boy. He broke his window.

SPEAKER_01 33:31

Oh, I saw that one. Can I can I say something? Yes, please. So when people challenge me mentally, emotionally, just overall, like situationship stuff. Yeah. When there's a fight, people automatically be like, oh, oh, I'm gonna fight you because you're tattoos and because the you, and I'm just like, yo, check this out. I'm about to I'm about to grab you and I'm gonna show you that I have patience. Yeah. You're disqualifying me again. You're you're judging me. Because you expect me to scream at you, you expect me to punch you, you expect me, oh, because I have this history before me.

SPEAKER_04 34:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

No. I'm gonna hold you like my friend, yeah, like my hum like a human being, like someone's son, someone's daughter.

SPEAKER_03 34:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:10

An individual. I'm gonna talk to you. That's what that's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna separate all those things that you are insecure about. Yeah, kudos to you. You're better than me. It's it's hard because realistically, I'm telling you, prison really humbled me, and the way that people expect these things from me, yeah. I'm not, I'm gonna show you that I'm better than who I was before, and I'm probably I don't want to say that I'm better than you, but I'm gonna show you that you probably are. You can be better than you can I could be better than you, but I can show you that you can be better to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_09 34:41

People are very shitty, and um the sooner we learn out, people are shitty. So the fact that you have shown them grace the patience and you continue to show them grace when they don't show you anything. I'm just proud of you. Can you do me a favor and just look into that camera and um just give advice to anyone who's struggling to come out, who is struggling to find themselves? Um what what it it it is it is imperative that we keep that door open and um you know we let people know that we're here to support them.

SPEAKER_01 35:13

When it comes to your mental health, your emotional, your spirit, when it comes to your emotional, don't, don't do not not ask for help. Like go to your groups. You want to go to dance class, go to dance class. May you might never know that that's all you needed for your brain. If if if literally a concert is what unlocked your heart chakra or your throat chakra to finally cry and be vulnerable, then yes, go for it. Anything else, like reach out to your people that that are trying to reach out to you. Just because you're not available emotionally, mentally, or spiritually, or just even like you feel like you can't afford it financially, just try to voice that. And I think that's what matters. Like the the littlest I guess the butterfly effect makes a huge difference. Like when you when you just say something, it starts off like a it starts to peel off layers like an onion, and you start to see who you are in the core. Yeah, you start to find out that it was all an excuse because of fear. It's all just fear and insecurity. And mainly you just need to look tie yourself in the mirror and be like, you are beautiful. Because you could tell yourself you're ugly, but if you tell yourself you're beautiful, yeah, it's almost like you're vincing yourself, and then you start to see it, you start to manifest that reality, and then you'll be like, damn. Because before I used to discredit myself, like, I'm not prince, I'm just I'm just a prince of the imperial courts. That's just old school. No, I'm Prince of the Imperial Courts. It makes a change in the cur in the court system. Like, I could really, really give you you don't have you don't have hormones? Girl, go to my go to my program. You'll get it today. You don't even have you don't even have insurance. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 36:55

Like, that's these are things that people need to know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:59

That that is St. John's Transgender Health Program. Shout out to St. John's. And they they they save lives. We raise a hella money for name change, housing, all those things that you can think of. Just don't don't marinate yourself every day.

SPEAKER_09 37:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:15

Go take a walk.

SPEAKER_09 37:17

Be kinder to yourself.

SPEAKER_01 37:18

Be kind to yourself.

SPEAKER_07 37:19

And also, people, if you know somebody that's going through this, be an advocate for them. And I think that's the one big, like, important thing that you maybe like realize. You gotta. If you have a friend and they're having this, you gotta be an advocate for them.

SPEAKER_09 37:35

And I just want to say uh really quickly before we wrap up, I um I'm proud of you. I'm rooting for you. I think that when we have people like you that exist in the world, we change the world. And a lot of times we make we wait for that big aha moment where we're like, oh, have I made have I done it yet? Have I made it yet? This is it. We're not guaranteed to live tomorrow, you know? Right. So thank you for taking our space. Thank you for sharing your story, and thank you for letting people know that they are not alone. We're we're here together. It was an honor. And we and we appreciate you. And I just want you to look in the camera again and tell people where they can find you.

SPEAKER_01 38:16

Well, you can find me on Instagram um at the real369 Prince. And yeah.

SPEAKER_09 38:23

And it's gonna be right here on the lower thirds, right here. Uh are you are you open to taking questions and being there for people? Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_01 38:30

All the time I'm available. Okay, it helps me.

SPEAKER_09 38:33

And uh we we we want to just give one more uh little little shout out. We have an incredible performance by Raw Cain coming up, and uh y'all don't want to miss this. Yes. Love you, thank you. Drop a card. And we're gonna toast and be out.

SPEAKER_07 38:51

You know it's okay, there's a little wine, you know it's bad luck to show.

SPEAKER_09 38:56

Hey, what's up, a mouthful crew? Y'all know what time it is. When I got this call from my dear friend, who's an incredible vocalist himself, he said Quacy, you must hear this artist. And when I hit play, I got introduced to Raw Cain. She is autistic, and she's proof that autistic individuals are the most remarkable in the world. Performing autism off of her incredible album, Pure Sugar, let's get ready for Raw Cain. Let's go, baby.

SPEAKER_02 42:03

I'm very grateful. Thank you.