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Without Permission
When Chemistry Is Just Trauma Recognizing Itself
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You know the feeling. You meet someone and something happens. Not just attraction, something more specific than that, more urgent. Like recognition. Like something in you that's been waiting goes there. That one. The chemistry is immediate. Overwhelming even. You can't stop thinking about them. Everything feels more alive when they're around. There's a pull that doesn't feel like a choice. It feels like gravity. Like something is happening to you rather than something you're doing. And you call it chemistry. You call it connection. You tell yourself this is what it's supposed to feel like when it's real, when it's right. This intensity, this electricity, the sense of recognition that goes beyond logic. Here's what nobody tells you. That feeling, that specific, overwhelming, can explain it intensity is not always what you think it is. Sometimes it is genuine chemistry. Two people whose nervous systems are genuinely compatible, whose values and emotional worlds actually fit, who are drawn to each other from a place of wholeness rather than wound. And sometimes, more often than most people are willing to admit, it's your nervous system recognizing something familiar. Not someone good for you, someone familiar. Someone whose emotional signature matches the one you were shaped by. Someone whose particular flavor of unavailability or intensity or unpredictability feels like home. Because home was unavailable or intense or unpredictable. And the nervous system doesn't distinguish between familiar and good. It just registers, I know this. I know how to move in this space.
SPEAKER_00This feels like something I understand. And you call it chemistry, and you follow it because it feels true.
SPEAKER_01And sometimes, not always, but sometimes, it leads you right back to the same place you've been before. The same dynamic, the same pain, the same ending. Just a different person wearing it.
SPEAKER_00No one gave me the floor, I took it.
SPEAKER_01Today we're gonna talk about the difference between chemistry that's actual chemistry and chemistry that is trauma recognizing itself.
SPEAKER_00Everything that said if you cry. Every truth that bad and stop. Without permission.
SPEAKER_01This is without permission. I'm Priscilla and Ham, and this might be the episode that explains your entire relationship history. Let's start with what's actually happening when you're attracted to someone. I think most people believe. I think most people have a fairly surface-level understanding of attraction. They feel it, they follow it, they assume it means something, but understanding the mechanism changes everything. Attraction is not random, is not mysterious in the way people want it to be. It follows a pattern that is deeply shaped by your relational history, specifically your earliest relational experiences with the people who were most significant to you when you were being formed. Your brain from a very young age is building a template, a composite of what close relationships feel like, what it looks like, what it sounds like, what the emotional texture of it is. And that template gets built from what you experience. Not what was healthy, not what was ideal, what you actually experienced. If you grew up with consistent, warm, responsive caregiving, if the people close to you showed up reliably reliably, communicated honestly, and created an environment where your needs were met without requiring you to perform for them, your template reflects that. And you tend to be drawn towards people who feel similarly steady, similarly safe. The attraction to them has a good quality of ease, of fit, of coming home to something good. But if your early relational environment was something else, inconsistent, unpredictable, emotionally unavailable, demanding, critical, chaotic, your template reflects that too. And you get drawn towards people who feel familiar in that specific way. Not because you consciously want the pain, but because the nervous system equates familiarity with safety. It knows how to navigate this emotional terrain. It has a map. And the map feels like home even when home wasn't safe. That is the foundation that the therapists call repetition. Repetition. Excuse me. That's the foundation of what therapists call repetition compulsion. And is one of the most powerful and least understood forces in human relational behavior. Repetition compulsion compulsion is a term from psychoanalytic psychology. Originally, Freud significantly developed sense that described the unconscious tendency to recreate the emotional dynamics of early significant relations relationships in current ones. Not because you're masochistic, not because you like pain, not because something is fundamentally broken in you, but because the unresolved emotional material from those early relationships keeps looking for resolution. And the way the unconscious mind tries to resolve it is by recreating the conditions and this time getting a different outcome. The child who grew up with an emotionally unavailable parent keeps choosing emotionally unavailable partners. Not because they haven't learned, but because somewhere underneath, they're still trying to win the original love. To finally be enough to make the unavailable person available. To prove that this time, if they're good enough or patient enough, or loving enough, the outcome will be different. It won't be. Not with the person who's unavailable in the same way. Because the unavailability isn't about you. It never was. Not with the parent and not with the partner. Not because they want to be criticized, but because the relentless work of trying to earn approval from someone who withholds it is a terrain they know intimately. And the prospect of someone who is simply satisfied with them, who doesn't require constant earning, feels almost suspicious, almost boring. Almost like it can't be real love if it's that easy. Because love in their template has never been easy. The person who grew up in an environment of emotional volatility, where that atmosphere could shift without warning, where you had to be hyper-vigilant to the emotional state of people around you, is often drawn to emotionally volatile partners. The unpredictability feels alive to them in a way that stability doesn't. Stable can feel flat. Volatile feels real. Feels like something is actually happening. That is not chemistry. That is the nervous system running its original software. I want to spend some time specifically on trauma bonding because I think this term gets used loosely, and I want to be precise about what it actually means and what it feels like from the inside. Trauma bonding is not simply being attached to someone who hurt you. It's a specific neurochemical process that develops in relationships characterized by cycles of intensity. Specifically, cycles that alternate between threat or pain and relief or warmth. The cycle looks like this. There's tension, then there's an incident, a conflict, a withdrawal, a form of rejection or pain, and then there's reconciliation, warmth, closeness, the relief of reconnection. The feel-good neurochemicals, dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin, flood in after the difficult period. And the brain feels, files that flood as this person is the source of this relief. This person is what makes this feel better. Over time, the bond to that person becomes reinforced, not despite the pain, but partly because of it. Because the reconciliation after the pain produces a neurochemical reward that is actually stronger than what would occur in a consistently warm relationship. The intermittent reinforcement, the unpredictable alternation between distance and closeness produces a more powerful attachment than consistent warmth does. This is not weakness. This is how the nervous system works. It is the same mechanism that makes intermittent reinforcement the most powerful conditioning schedule in behavioral psychology. It is the mechanism behind slot machine addiction. The unpredictability of the war reward makes the pursuit more intense, not less. And from the inside, this feels like love. It feels like passion. It feels like the most intense connection you've ever experienced. Because it is intense. But intensity and health are not the same thing. And a lot of people have spent years confusing them. The hallmark of a trauma bond is that you feel most attached to the person during or after the painful episode. That the intensity of the connection seems to increase with conflict rather than decrease. That leaving feels impossible in a way that logic cannot explain. That even when you know the relationship is hurting you, the pullback towards it is stronger than the pull away. That's not love holding you there. That's a neurochemical pattern that was set before you had any say in it. Here's something I want you to understand that I think changes the frame permanently once you get it. The feeling of chemistry, the electric overwhelming, can't get them out of your head, intensity of your early attraction, is physiological indistinguishable from exact from anxiety. I apologize, guys. I feel like I'm having a stroke today. It's okay, we'll get through it. Heart rate elevated, stomach unsettled, hyper awareness of the other person, intrusive thoughts, difficulty concentrating on anything else, the feeling that something significant is at stake. That's this physiological profile of anxiety. It is also the physiological profile of what people call chemistry. And for the purpose for people whose nervous systems were shaped in environments of emotional unpredictability, where someone significant to them was a source of both threat and comfort, both pain and relief, the physiological profile is what intimacy feels like. It's not a bug, it's the template. The body learns that this is what closeness feels like. So when they met someone who activates the same psychological state, someone who creates the same uncertainty, the same hypervigilance, that same unsettled awareness, the body says, this is it. This is the real thing. And when they meet someone who doesn't activate it, someone who is warm and consistent and clear about their feelings and actual availability, the body says, something's missing. This feels too easy. This doesn't feel like chemistry. The calm person feels boring to an anxious nervous system. Not because they're boring, because their presence doesn't activate the familiar alarm. And the familiar alarm has been coded as connection. That's the trap. And once you see it, you can't unsee it. This connects directly to attachment theory, specifically to how different attachment styles interact in romantic relationships and why certain pairings keep reoccurring. If you have an anxious attachment style, if you learned early that closeness is something you have to work for, that people leave or withdraw if you're not vigilant, that your needs are too much and you need to manage them carefully, you tend to be drawn to people with avoidant attachment styles. The avoidant person who learned that closeness is dangerous, that depending on others creates vulnerability that will be used against them, that's self-sufficient, is the only reliable source of safety, creates exactly the conditions that feel familiar to an anxious attached person. Inconsistent availability, warmth followed by withdrawal, a sense that you are always slightly outside of full connection with them, always reaching for something that keeps just barely moving away. And the anxious person's pursuit, the intensity of their need, the frequency of their bids for connection, the emotional weight they bring confirms for the avoidant person that closeness is dangerous and overwhelming, and that pulling back is the right response. These two styles create a dance that can go on for years, decades in some cases. The anxious person pursuing, the avoidant person retreating, the pursuant pursuit intensifying in relationships to the retreat. The pursuit intensifying in response to the retreat. The retreat deepening in response to the intensifying pursuit. Both people are running their original programming, both people are experiencing something that feels familiar. But both people are in pain that feels like love. And the relationship that would actually serve both of them, the one with a securely attached person who shows up consistently, communicates clearly, and doesn't require pursuit to produce presence doesn't activate the familiar urgency. Doesn't feel like the real thing. Until you've done enough work to update the template, until you've had enough experience of the alternative to begin to recognize that for the absence of anxiety is not the absence of connection, is the presence of something better. I want to talk about how this shows up differently across cultural context because the specific shape of the early relational wounds varies, and that variation matters for understanding what patterns get activated later. In many black families, and I speak to this because it's a pattern that appears with specific frequency and with specific cultural context attached to it, the relational wound is often one of emotional unavailability that is structurally produced rather than individually chosen. Parents who were working multiple jobs to keep the household together, who were managing their own unprocessed trauma from histories of histories of poverty, discrimination, violence, or incarceration, who loved their children genuinely and completely, and also did not have the emotional resources, the time, the bandwidth, the language, the models from their own parents to provide consistent emotional attunement. The child in that environment learns love is real, but not always present. The people who love you are not always emotionally available. You're responsible for managing your own emotional needs because bringing them forward creates burden. And then they grow up and find themselves drawn to partners who love them but aren't always there, who are real in their care but inconsistent in their presence. And they work hard to make their relationship work because working hard for love that isn't quite fully available is the template they know. This is not a cultural pathology. This is the transmission, a pattern passed down not through intention, but through the conditions that shaped each generation. Understanding it doesn't mean assigning blame to parents who were doing their best in genuine difficult circumstances. It means seeing the pattern clearly enough to stop transmitting it. In Latino families, the specific wound often involves the intersection of machismo, femilismo, and emotional suppression. The cultural value of family loyalty and cohesion can create a relational environment where individual emotional needs are subordinate to group function. You don't burden the family with your interior. You contribute, you endure. You love through provision and protection and presence, but not necessarily through emotional exposure. A person raised in that environment might find themselves deeply attracted to emotional unavailability in partners because that's the language of love they were given, and may find someone who is emotionally expressive and present, almost uncomfortable, too much, somehow, too exposed. Not quite what love is supposed to look like. For LGBTQ individuals, particularly those who grew up in an environment that were not affirming of their identity, the specific wound often involves the experience of having the core of who you are be the source of family tension, rejection, or conditional love. And the relational pattern that develops from that can involve a deep-seated expectation that genuine intimacy will eventually come with a cost, that being truly known leads to being rejected, that the safety of connection is always provisional, which can create a powerful draw towards relationships that confirm that expectation. Where the other person eventually pulls back or can't fully show up or creates a condition on their love that requires you to manage yourself carefully. Because unconditional acceptance, the real thing, doesn't match the template. And the template is what the nervous system follows. Let's slow down. Because this is the moment in the episode where I want you to do something uncomfortable. I want you to look at the pattern, not the individual relationships, the pattern across them. If you line up the people you've been most intensely drawn to in your life, the ones who felt like chemistry, like recognition, like something real and urgent. Is there a theme? Not necessarily the same type of person physically, but the same emotional signature. The same quality of availability or unavailability, the same dynamic that keeps emerging just in different clothing on different bodies. Or as Whitney Houston says, same script, different cast. Is there a pattern of emotional unavailability? People who want you but can't quite fully show up for you? Is there a pattern of intensity followed by withdrawal? Relationships that start with overwhelming heat and then cool into something that leaves you confused about where you stand? Is there a pattern of being the one who moves more, who loves more, who pursues more, who tries harder, who is consistently more invested in the relationship than the other person seems to be? Is there a pattern of people who need to be saved? Whose difficulty, their chaos, their damage becomes the thing that makes you feel necessary? Or is there a pattern of sabotage? Relationships that were going well, that were stable and warm and actually available? That you found yourself ending or underwhelming before they could disappoint you. The pattern is the data, and the pattern is pointing somewhere back to something that got set before you had any say in it. And that something is worth looking at, not to blame anyone, but to understand why the nervous system keeps choosing what it chooses and to decide consciously whether you want to keep following it. This is the part of the conversation that I think is most practically important and least discussed. What do you do with the recognition that the people you're most drawn to are the wrong people for you? What do you do with the knowledge that the chemistry is actually familiarity and that the familiarity is actually the template from a wound? Because knowing it doesn't immediately change the feeling. You can understand intellectually that the emotional, unavailable, emotionally unavailable person is going to cost you significantly and still feel pulled towards them in a way that the steady, available, clearly interested in you person simply doesn't activate. And that gap between what you know and what you feel is where a lot of people get stuck. They've done enough work to understand the pattern. They haven't done enough work to change what the nervous system responds to. So they're caught between the knowledge and the pull. And the pull is stronger in the moment than the knowledge every time. Here's what I want you to understand about the healthy option feeling wrong. That feeling is not a reliable indicator that is wrong. It's an indicator that is unfamiliar. Unfamiliar does not mean incompatible. Unfamiliar does not mean less real. Unfamiliar does not mean boring or insufficient or lacking in depth. It means your nervous system doesn't have a map for this terrain. And the absence of a map feels like the absence of something. But what it's actually the absence of is the specific anxiety that your nervous system has been trained to read as connection. The steady person who shows up consistently, who says what they mean, who doesn't make you guess, who is genuinely interested in you and doesn't require pursuit to prove it, that person may feel, at first, almost too easy, almost suspicious in their availability. That feeling is not information about them, it's the information about the template. And the template can be upgraded slowly through intentional exposure to the unfamiliar. Through choosing to stay when the pull to retreat to the familiar gets loud. They're learning over time that safe and steady can be the most exciting thing you've ever experienced. Once you stop waiting for the alarm that tells you something real is happening. Let me draw a distinction that I think is one of the most important ones in the entire arc. There is the love that hurts and there is the love that holds. Love that hurts is not love that involves no pain. All real relationships involve some pain. Love that hurts is love where the pain is structural, built into the dynamic itself, when the relationship cannot exist in a form that doesn't regularly cost you something significant, where the intensity is inseparable from the wound, where you cannot have the connection without also having the damage. Love that holds is different. It includes conflict, it includes hard conversation, it includes moments of distance and misunderstanding and repair. But the repair is possible. The foundation is solid enough to hold the weight of the difficulty. The pain is occasional and navigable rather than chronic and structural. People who grew up with love that hurts often don't know what love that holds feels like. Not because they're incapable of it, because they've never experienced it as the primal model. And so they mistake love that hurts for love that's real, and love that holds for something less. Something that hasn't proven itself yet, something that they're waiting to show its true nature. They're waiting for the other shoe to drop. Because in their experience, it always does. And sometimes when the other shoe doesn't drop, when the person keeps showing up, when the stability persists past the point where it should have broken based on the template, something else happens. The person with a wounded template starts creating the drop themselves, pushing, testing, escalating. Not consciously, but driven by the deep discomfort of a safety they don't know how to inhabit. Because the safety doesn't match the map. And the cer nervous system needs the map to match. Learning to inhabit safely safety, to let the stable person be stable without treating their stability as suspicious is some of the most important relational work there is. And it requires doing things that feel wrong before they feel right. Staying when everything says run. Trusting when every prior experience says don't. Opening when the template says protect. That is hard. It's the hardest kind of growth there is because it requires tolerating the discomfort of the unfamiliar in the domain where you are most vulnerable. But it is the work that changes the pattern, not just for you, for every relationship you'll have from that point forward. I want to spend some specific time here because the patterns we've been describing take on a particular texture in gay male relationships that's worth examining directly. For gay men who grew up without affirming visible models of what healthy same-sex partners look like, which is the majority of gay men over 40 and a significant portion of the younger, of those younger, the template for romantic relationship was built on incomplete and often distorted materials. Heterosexual relationship models that don't map accurately onto same-sex dynamics, representation and media that were, for decades, either absent, tragic, or hypersexualized. And the specific wound of having to hide the interior of your romantic and sexual self during the formative years when relational templates are being built. What that often produces is a relational template that has a significant gap where the model of sustained, healthy, intimate partnership should be. And the nervous system without that model builds its attraction pattern from what it is available, which often includes intensity, secrecy, the charged atmosphere of something that isn't fully allowed, and the specific quality of longing that comes from wanting something you can't quite have. That longing gets encoded as well as what love feels like. And then in adult relationships, the pattern is drawn to dynamics that recreate that longing. The man who is not quite available, the relationship that can't quite be fully public, the connection that is intensely real and private, the connection that is intensely real in private and complicated in every other context. The love that you have to fight for or hide or manage carefully. None of that is necessary. Notice what love has to look like. But it is what the nervous system will was trained on. And it takes intentional, conscious work to retrain it. For gay men specifically, the availability of community, of other men who have done this work, who have built healthy, lasting partnerships, who can model what it actually looks like is one of the most powerful resources available. Not because your straight friends or therapists can't help, but because seeing your specific dynamic reflected in people who understand it from the inside changes something that understanding from the outside cannot. I want to make one more distinction that I think is fundamental to this entire conversation. Intensity and depth are not the same thing. And they are so frequently confused that entire relationships are built on the confusion. Intensity is a quality of experience. It's heat, urgency, the feeling that something significant is happening, that you're fully alive in the presence of this person, that everything else goes quiet. Intensity is real, it's powerful, and is available in relationships that are built on trauma patterns just as much as actually often more than in relationships that are generally healthy. Depth is something different. Depth is built over time through the accumulation of honest conversation, through conflict navigated and survived, through the experience of being seen in your less presented moments, the tired moments, the scared moments, the moments when you're not performing anything, and chosen anyway. Through showing up for each other in the ordinary stretches that don't feel like anything but are actually the substance of a life shared. Intensity can exist without depth. In fact, intensity often exists specifically because depth, depth hasn't developed. The heat of early attraction, the electricity of a new connection, the urgency of a relationship that hasn't yet encountered the weight of real life. These are the conditions that produce the most intense feeling. And they are temporary by nature. Either the relationships develop the relationship develops depth as it matures, or the intensity fades and there's nothing underneath it. Depth can exist without what we usually call intensity. A long relationship that is deeply known, deeply trusted, deeply stable, that may not produce the heart-racing electricity of a new uncertain connection, but it produces something that intensity never can. The specific security of being in a relationship where you've been fully seen over time and chosen again and again by someone who knows exactly what they're choosing. The person who has only known intensity in their relationships, who has never allowed or been allowed enough time and safety to develop real depth, often mistakes the fading of intensity for the fading of the relationship. They leave, they move on to the next source of intensity, and they spend their life in the early stages of relationships where intensity is highest without ever experiencing what comes after it when two people stay. What comes after is better. Ask anyone who has it. Let's go deeper with that. Think about the person or the type of person who have consistently you have consistently found yourself most drawn to. Not who you thought you should want, who you actually keep choosing. Now think about the earliest relationship in your life that had a similar emotional signature, not physically similar emotionally. The same quality of availability, the same dynamic, the same feeling of having to work for the connection, or of never quite being sure where you stood, or of love that has built that was real but inconsistent. Can you trace it? Can you see the line that forms the line from that early relationship to the pattern you've been running in your adult life? That line is the map. And seeing it, really seeing it. Not just knowing it intellectually, but feeling the connection between then and now is one of the most significant moments in the work of changing it. Because once you can see the origin, the current pattern stops being a mystery. It starts being something that happened, it stops being something that happened to you. It becomes something you can understand. And something you can understand, you can begin to work with. Not quickly, not easily, but actively, consciously, with intention. Rather than unconsciously, repeatedly wondering why you keep ending up in the same place. This is the part people want. And I'm going to be honest with you about what it actually involves rather than give you a simple framework that sounds good and doesn't work. Changing an attraction pattern is one of the most difficult things a person can do. It's not a decision. You cannot decide to be attracted to different people. Attraction is not a choice in the direct sense. What you can do is work at the level of the nervous system, which means doing the work of healing the original wound that created the template, not just understanding it, actually working through it with support, with time, with the willingness to feel what got packed away when the wound was formed. Because the template changes as the wound heals. Not completely, not all at once, but the grip of the familiar pattern loosens as the need that drove it gets met in other ways. In therapy, in honest relationships with yourself, in the slow accumulation of experiences that contradict the original story. You can also work at the level of behavior. Even before the attraction pattern fully shifts, you can make different choices about who you pursue and who you allow to get close. You can notice the familiar pool and name it for what it is rather than following it automatically. You can give the steady person a longer runway, choosing to stay present and engaged past the point where the unfamiliarity would normally send you looking for intensity elsewhere. This is not settling. Let me be unambiguous about that. Choosing stability over chaos, choosing consistent over exciting and unavailable, choosing someone who actually shows up, that is not settling. That's graduating. That is choosing from a place of health rather than wound. And the longer you stay in that choice, the longer you expose your nervous system to the experience of love that holds rather than love that hurts, the more that becomes the template. Slowly but genuinely. And one day you find that the chaos that used to feel like electricity just feels like chaos. And the steadiness that used to feel like boredom feels like the most valuable thing you have ever been offered. That shift is available to you. It requires the work, but it is available. If you've recognized yourself in these patterns, if you can see the repetition, the familiar wound in different faces, the reason the years spent chasing the intensity that was never going to become the depth you actually needed. I don't want you to turn that recognition into another reason to be hard on yourself. You did not create the template. It was built in conditions you did not choose at an age when you had no capacity to understand what was being formed. You followed the map you were given, and the map led you where it led. That's not failure of character. That's what happens to human beings who grow up in imperfect conditions, which is, to varying degrees, all of us. The work from here is not punishment for the pattern. It's not about paying a debt for the time you spent following the wrong map. It's simply about getting a better map, one built on clear knowledge of who you are, what you actually need, and what love looks like when it's coming from a whole place rather than a wound. You deserve that map. You deserved it a long time ago. And it's not too late to build it. Last question, and this is the one I want you to carry with you. If you were completely healed, if the original wound was resolved, if the template had been rebuilt on a foundation of actual safety rather than familiar damage, who would you choose? Not who you're drawn to right now, not who activates the familiar pull, not who feels like chemistry. Who would you choose if the wound wasn't doing the choosing? Would you choose the person who is actually present, who shows up consistently without requiring pursuit, who communicates honestly and handles conflict without escalating to crisis, who is genuinely interested in knowing you rather than just having you? Would you choose the person who makes you feel safe enough to be fully yourself, not just the presented version, the whole version, including the scared parts, the uncertain parts, the parts you usually keep managed and controlled because you're not sure they'll be acceptable. The late night cries, the early morning coffee cups, that version. If the answer to any of that is yes, even quietly, even tentatively, then you've already know who you want to be choosing. And the work is building enough of yourself that you can recognize them when they show up and say when the unfamiliarity wants you to run. Chemistry is real. I wanted to be clear about that. The feeling of deep, immediate, overwhelming connection to another person that is real. It happens and sometimes it is exactly what it presents itself as. But sometimes it is something else. Something that feels like recognition because it is recognition. The nervous system identifying a familiar pattern, a known emotional terrain, a map that already knows how to navigate, and mistakingly mistaking that familiarity for fate. The difference matters. Because one leads somewhere, and the other one leads back to where you started. In different clothes. With a different name. But the same ending. The work of this episode and of the entire arc is not to make you suspicious of your own feelings. It's to make you honest about them. To look at the pattern clearly, enough to know which feelings are pointing towards something genuine and which are pointing towards something familiar. Because you get to choose, not immediately, not by willpower alone, but through the slow, honest, supported work of understanding why you feel what you feel and building enough of yourself that the choice becomes possible. In the next episode, we're moving into the specific territory of chemical dependency and addiction. How addiction is not a moral failure, but a pain management strategy. And why treating it like a character flaw guarantees you'll never actually address it. It's a direct continuation of everything we've built here. Stay with me. I'm Chris Willingham, and this is Without Permission.