S1 Ep6: Love Beyond Death / Ronnie Pontiac (part 2)

What if love doesn’t end when someone dies?

In Part 2 of Ronnie Pontiac’s story, we explore what happened after the love that saved his life was taken from him. 

Joined by psychic medium Christopher LaPrath, Ronnie steps into a deeply emotional and unexpected session—one that raises profound questions about connection, consciousness, and what continues beyond this life.

As the reading unfolds, a presence begins to come through.

Can love truly transcend death?
Are some connections meant to continue across lifetimes?
What does it really mean to let go of grief, guilt, and loss?
And is it possible that the people we lose… never really leave?

Whether you’re a believer, a skeptic, or somewhere in between—this conversation will challenge how you think about love, loss, and the unseen.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:05

Always let your guides pick the cards. Okay, this is the Empress card.

SPEAKER_01 0:12

And then after the reading, Ronnie told me.

SPEAKER_02 0:15

And then of course when he threw down the Empress card, that was that was uh Immediately you went to Tamara. Yeah, I I became emotional. Yeah. I felt like that was her saying, hi Ronnie.

SPEAKER_01 0:28

What happens after we die? Do we still exist? And if we do, where do we go and why? For as long as human beings have walked the earth, these questions have haunted and fascinated us. They sit at the heart of every culture, at the foundation of every spiritual tradition. But what if some people could see beyond death? What if they could communicate with souls who have left this world and cross into the next? Christopher Leprat is a uniquely gifted psychic medium. Using his psychic abilities in coordination with tarot cards, Chris can relay messages from spirit guides, departed loved ones, and other non-physical entities. In each episode of this series, I'll introduce Chris to a guest whose life has been deeply shaped by the loss of someone they love. During the conversation, Chris will attempt to contact that departed soul and any other non-physical beings who wish to come through. Death may be life's greatest mystery. But sometimes it answers back. This is part two of our conversation with Ronnie Pontiac. In part one, Ronnie shared about his difficult childhood, his troubled youth, and the love that transformed his life. He also shared how after more than four decades together with Tamra, he suddenly lost her. In this half, psychic medium Christopher LePrath joins Ronnie and me. Christopher knows nothing of Ronnie's story. So, Ronnie, welcome back. Here we are, a week later. Oh, thank you. And now we've been joined by uh Christopher Leprath. Thank you for joining us, Christopher. Thanks. Um so I've been chatting with Ronnie. He has a remarkable life. And we thought we'd see what what you have to say about what you find. Have you have you met Ronnie before?

SPEAKER_00 3:10

Never. Yeah, no. All right, so do your thing, Chris. Okay. Yeah. I'll do my thing. Yeah. Well, I just I have a it's kind of an unusual approach because I always ask your guides or your angels, your people that have been with you, uh beings that have been with you, uh, as to what's really with your best and highest now. Okay. But your guides do, and they don't always identify themselves, you know, by name. Uh sometimes they do, uh, but it just is going to depend on what you need right now. Okay. Okay. And when when we come across something that is like, hmm, this isn't really serving me anymore. I kind of think of myself sometimes as a moving company to go, uh, do you still want that couch? Yeah. You know, even though it's 50 years old. And if you just say, Oh, yeah, get rid of it, you know, I help you help you move it. That's right. You know, so you have more room, have more room for a new couch, right? Or something new that's coming into your life. And I always let the I always let your guides uh pick the cards. Um you'll see when I shuffle through, they just kind of fall out. Kind of fall out, right? Yeah. But but I always like always ask, oh. That was quick. You always ask for your best and highest.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

At this point, the first card falls out of Chris's tarot deck.

SPEAKER_00 4:35

Okay. This is the Empress card. So you can you can say Empress is Empress, or you can say impress, right? That you're really here to impress a higher consciousness.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

To help expand the consciousness.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

Like that's why you came here. And it's uh absolutely stepping into it. And so you're gonna be stepping into it more. This is what's really important for you. And it's actually like it's been in your family line. You got some uh very gifted people that have come before you. This is ancestry through his mother's side. I don't know who this mother was, but wow. Right?

SPEAKER_01 5:25

What's the other meaning of Amber's card?

SPEAKER_00 5:28

Well, there there's several meanings. Uh-huh. Okay, so uh for Ronnie, uh-huh. This is divine. This is divinity. Okay, it's the divine mother.

SPEAKER_01 5:38

It's it's there's a female aspect to this.

SPEAKER_00 5:41

No, there's this is femininity. This is like the apex of femininity. That's gra it's like gracing you. It's like absolutely just pouring love and grace on you. And you and you feel this, like you feel it. It's not your imagination, but like talk to her. I do. Yeah, it's absolutely talking to her. And uh you are not losing your mind if you hear something back. Yes, yeah. Tell me about that. What is that with you?

SPEAKER_02 6:25

Well, uh first uh my mother uh was somebody who was highly psychic, but she had a horrendous uh life. She was a Holocaust survivor who'd been trafficked by the Nazis and by the Russians. So she was damaged. So I had to learn to be extremely sensitive to where she was at even before she walked into a room. And then there's also somebody else uh who I spent my life with who passed, who um an amazing woman, um, just the love of my life, and uh yeah, an incredible person. And she was like she woke all this in me. And and she was a living representative representation, I guess you could say, of that high feminine energy and of uh love and creativity and love of nature and uh everything.

SPEAKER_01 7:24

I mean, when you pulled the Empress card, I just thought Me too, because that's what I saw when you pulled the Empress card, and everything you said about Ronnie being this person who brings consciousness to a higher level in the world a hundred percent makes sense to me knowing you the to the extent that I do. Uh but when he flipped that card, it was this other person whose name is Tamara, I'm just gonna say whose name was Tamara, is like, oh. That she just she just flipped that card. Her hair color. Yeah, everything about it. Is that is that what you thought too, though, when with the second that cards I actually got tears in my eyes for you? Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:03

I'm I've got tears in my eyes. Yeah. And you have the ability to understand this life of 60, 70, 80 years is not all there is. You're gonna be together again in the other side, but also in other lifetimes because you've been together for centuries, for millennia.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

And you're saying that based on just an instinct that you're feeling, or what?

SPEAKER_00 8:29

Well, uh uh the Empress is timeless. Uh-huh. So there's a timelessness about it. She's able to open up more doors for you from the other side to show you chambers. Oh, I don't know why she's using the word chambers. But even now, today, like with the pyramids, they're still finding new chambers, new uh passageways. That there's these new passageways opening up for you where you'll the whole thing is you being a service to mankind. This is why you came here. This is what she helped you do. She's continuing to help you do it. Like she did it. She walked the talk.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

Right? Yes. It's interesting that this card that Chris flips over is well, first of all, like I said.

SPEAKER_00 9:18

Actually, Tamara picked it. She was like, Yeah, I'm the Empress.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Well, that's what I did. The second you turned it, I was like, oh, the Empress is here. Tamara is here. But then not only is it announcing her own presence, but it's also announcing the kind of role she's playing with you in this life and moving forward in this life, which is helping you to spread light in the world. Um so it kind of has the double meaning, but it it's kind of two meanings that are so appropriate to you and your relationship with them.

SPEAKER_00 9:53

Yes, absolutely. First thing I hear is say, stop questioning my taste. Like, stop questioning my taste in you. Like, empresses don't marry poppers. They don't get involved with paupers. And so this is you acknowledging your like, dude, you got some juju. Use it. She didn't she didn't choose small. She she didn't choose less than.

SPEAKER_01 10:22

How does that strike you in terms of Terama's voice?

SPEAKER_02 10:26

Yeah, absolutely. That's that's I I have I always kind of felt unworthy. Uh-huh. And and I still wrestle with it. Uh-huh. And so I have regrets and doubts, and why me? Why was it, you know, was I really did I really perform at the level that that you had hoped for? And can I do what you expect me to do? And so that would so you were right on it. That's and she would be. And that's that's absolutely don't question my taste. It's very Tamara.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

Was that a refrain in your relationship?

SPEAKER_02 10:56

Oh, yeah. About all sorts of things. Yeah. She was she was very, you know, she defined our lives, our decor, our food, our and she did not have patience for any interference. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:10

But there was an element of her also saying, why do you think I picked you? Because you are worthy of my great taste, right?

SPEAKER_02 11:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:20

You have that, you have that too. You are that too.

SPEAKER_02 11:23

Yeah. I I also I stepped back to to have her back. And so I feel that that that's why I'm left here because I I don't want to be. I want to be where she is. Right. So but I feel that I'm here now so that I can do what I have to do instead of just having her back.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

I think that's so true.

SPEAKER_00 11:43

So can you would it be possible for you to release and clear destroy and uncreate the either or Yes, I would love that. Either you're here or you're there. Either you're there or you're here. Yeah. There's no such thing. You're saying he's both places. You're both places. We're all both we're all playing. Exactly. Right. We're all both places. We're all and it's not just two places. This is interdimensional. Like she's doing like the Spock thing. Remember, Ronnie. Like remember. Remember. This is this this session is about after the session, you remembering. You know, it's it I always tell people I work with, this is the first day of the domino going. Right. Like where you're getting a ha's and a ha's and a haws.

SPEAKER_02 12:40

Like I would mention that she she I often get the message from her, live up to what you know. And what I know is that that she's still with me, that I'm still with her. But then I I do fall back into the pain of her physical absence.

SPEAKER_01 12:56

Which is natural. I mean, yeah, come on. Yeah, of course. Especially someone like that.

SPEAKER_02 13:00

She she was just such a light in my life. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

And when Christopher says, um do you release and whatever his thing is, that's that's him saying, Can I take the couch out? You know? Yeah. Basically energetically like moving that out of your field. Yeah. Okay, so I just want to interrupt the podcast for a second. After the recording, after Chris had left, Ronnie told me something that I think is worth mentioning here. You told me that the sofa thing is relevant to Tamara.

SPEAKER_02 13:31

Yeah, it uh it took me off guard actually because we had an old sofa in our living room and Tamara um became ill for five days. She declined at the house before she went to the hospital, and on the fifth day um I found her unresponsive on this old sofa. And so when she was supposed to be coming home, I immediately got that sofa out of the house and brought a new one there that I thought she would love, which unfortunately she never saw. So when he immediately brought up moving out old sofas and kept talking about it, that certainly struck me. And then, of course, when he threw down the Empress card, that was that was uh Immediately you went to Tamara. Yeah, I I became emotional. Yeah. I felt like that was her saying, hi Ronnie.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

Okay, now back to the episode. When you're missing her, that's when she's near. And so people go into the grief at the moment when they're actually the loved one is most present. Present with them. Then they move out of presence of communicating with that person. So when you're feeling that she's not there in the physical, go she's close.

SPEAKER_02 14:48

I have been feeling that, Christopher, and I feel that because every time I feel her love like flow over me, I cry, and I feel her stop crying when I'm loving you. Yeah, that's exactly right.

SPEAKER_00 15:01

But but you're emotional. I mean, we are here to experience the full range of human humanity, and emotions are a big part of it. And you're um there's something with poppies. What's the deal with poppies? Why is she talking about poppies?

SPEAKER_02 15:20

Uh I would always go um and and take off of a hillside on Laurel Canyon, golden poppies, and then plant them in her garden. So our garden was always filled with poppies, and it was around this time of year when I would go get them.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

You go now. We gotta stop the show. He's gonna go get poppies, okay? I don't know. Yeah, she's talking about the poppies.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

I think it's just incredible how Tomara is so present, like uh boom, that card fell out so quickly. She's so clear and she's so on it right now. Yeah. At this point, Chris shuffles and the confusion card falls out.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

So you have you ever played Monopoly or any game, or you've entered any contest, right? Do people enter that or start a game with going, well, I'll play, but I'm gonna lose?

SPEAKER_02 16:17

That's really funny, Christopher, because she would beat me at everything. And I kind of enjoyed it. Like I would I didn't do it deliberately, but I just loved seeing her skill and her power and yeah, so do you now throughout all time and eternity and all dimensions, release and clear the fear of loss?

SPEAKER_00 16:41

Yes. Okay, because she's talking the don't you dare question my taste. Don't you dare question uh that I'm gone, which is a bit of a force to reckon with, right? I love her, like she's amazing. Yeah. But uh because you're so sensitive, which is one of the reasons she chose you or you chose her, if you get a feeling or like confusion, frustration, anger, whatever emotion it is, you're picking up what other people are leaving, or like when you walk through an energetic field, you're very sensitive. Okay. So do you release clear, destroy, and uncreate thinking that there's something wrong with you when actually you're you're going, wait a minute, is where is this coming from?

SPEAKER_01 17:40

Is that resonate for you? Extremely, yeah. How so?

SPEAKER_02 17:43

Tell me. Um I'm I'm well, as I said earlier, I had to learn to be sensitive to my mother's state of mind. And so I have a sensitivity to other people's state of mind, especially if they're thinking about me and they're hostile. Uh-huh. So I'm very sensitive to criticism. I I can feel it or dream about it. And then I I often own it. I think that, well, this is a legitimate criticism. Uh huh. And I have to work through laboriously that this isn't even mine. So this really lands on it.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

It has nothing to do with you.

SPEAKER_00 18:16

So this is why I asked you earlier about releasing clearing the fear of loss. That kind of stuff would be really good to lose. I yeah. Okay. I would love to lose that. Right. And that it isn't you.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

So he's you think there's a part of running that's like afraid to let go of that sort of ability and that tendency.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

So it's not wrong or bad, right? It's how you learn to survive.

SPEAKER_03 18:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:40

Right? So how many clothes do you have left for when you were in fourth grade? Right, exactly. And then how often do you wear them? Right.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

You just don't need it anymore. You don't need it anymore. It helped you survive. But it would be scary to let go of it because it helped you survive.

SPEAKER_02 18:54

Yeah. It's also it was wired in at infancy. Yeah. So those those those very early programs are hard to get at. But I want to get rid of this. And she worked with me to try to remember. Well, that's what this that's what this session is all about.

SPEAKER_00 19:09

Yeah. Okay? This is what she's putting on the plate. And so when I ask you, do you release and clear, destroy, and uncreate all of those projections that were ever put upon you throughout all time, space, dimensions, history, do you release, clear, destroy, and uncreate that, and even return them to Cinder, knowing that they're no part of you. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

I love how Ronnie so affirmatively is able to make those steps.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

Because this is the confusion card. Yeah. And when once you identify it, boom. Yeah. Leave now, never return.

SPEAKER_01 19:40

Yeah. Chris shuffles and the negativity card falls out.

SPEAKER_00 19:45

And then do you release and clear, destroy, and uncreate the need to make it right for everybody. That's another one, yeah. I'm exhausted. That was a big one.

SPEAKER_01 19:57

Wait, so this card is negativity. Negativity, okay. And so you asked Ronnie if he would release the need to make it right for everyone. And that rel you you uh resonate with that as well. It used to drive her crazy.

SPEAKER_02 20:12

I felt like anyone who crossed my path who was in need, I had to somehow find a way to help. And she would always tell me there's so many situations where you shouldn't be helping, and you have to learn to recognize what's yours and what isn't.

SPEAKER_00 20:27

Yeah, this is all from her.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

This this session is all from her. Tamra's telling you, sort of reminding Ronnie, because it seems these are not new messages from Tamra. These are the consistent messages she's giving you. But she's sort of saying, I'm still around, you need to let go of these things, continue to let go of them, really let go of them, because now you're center stage, you can't sort of hide behind her. You know, it's time for you to step up, which it sounds like, I mean, it sounds like you maybe had this idea already, but it sounds like a little bit in a way, the reason she decided to leave is because it needed to be your time. You've you could come to that sort of understanding. Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:11

Yeah. I have skills that are that are different from hers.

SPEAKER_00 21:14

Right. Yeah. This is you stepping up, stepping up. So I I you 30 years ago I did a seminar with my niece. So we were doing dyads where we uh the group broke up into working with another person. So I worked with her, she's my niece. And uh I can't remember what we were working on, but I raise my hand and the facilitators come over and they go, How can we help you? And I well, Sarah's not getting it. You know, I need help helping her get it. Why do you want her to get it? I went, Well, uh, I just want her to be happy. What if she doesn't want to be happy? And I went, ding, ding, ding. Um the Celestine prophecy. Is a great book. I don't know if you've read it. Control dramas. Okay, control dramas. The worst one is poor me. Can you help me? But what they're wanting is the energy. They're wanting to drain energy. So my dad was an intimidator. So there's intimidator, interrogator. So an intimidator is the one that screams and yells. Okay. The interrogator is how come you're sitting like that? Where did you come from? How come you were out so late? Who were you with? What did you have for dinner? Interrogation. That's another way of sucking people's energy. These are vampire tactics, energetic vampire tactics. Then there's the aloof, looking literally looking down the nose, but that's a control drama, right? And then the worst one, like I said, is poor me.

SPEAKER_01 22:51

So you're saying people who there are there are many people in the world who gather energy by creating this poor me drama around themselves. And people like Ronnie, who are so sensitive, can get caught up in that and start giving away their energy and to not not to help it won't help Ronnie at all, and it won't even help the other person because it'll just perpetuate this pattern.

SPEAKER_00 23:16

That's their feeding pattern, their energetic feeding pattern. And you ain't got no time for that no more. You no. Yeah. No more. This is the this is that negativity card. Yeah. And so then all cycles in this lifetime and in all previous lifetimes, do you now release completely destroy all patterns and cycles of blame, shame, and guilt.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 23:45

Thank you. Okay, so what's what's that about blame, shame, and guilt?

SPEAKER_02 23:49

Grow up the only child of Holocaust survivors. And get a get a graduate course in those. These are people who were entirely broken as children by experiencing the most unfathomable cruelty in history. And so nothing can ever be enough or or good or simply happy. Everything is a danger, everything is a disappointment. Right. So yeah, it was a constant theme. Yeah. And I of I, of course, absorbed it.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

So your parents, because of the horror they went through, were lived in a state of they were indoctrinated as little kids by this horror of the world is a cruel place, people are savage. I mean, that's obviously what they saw, what they learned. And then that gets thrown on you. So that's that's the blame and the shame, and what was the other word? Guilt.

SPEAKER_02 24:45

And guilt and guilt doesn't I'm not sure if I can connect guilt and well, because if you like for instance, um my father would see me like when I was 14 swimming with my girlfriend in the pool at the age when he was a slave laborer. Yeah. So even though he he wanted me to be happy on some level, he couldn't help feeling.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Yeah, who do you think you are? You know, there are people when I was your age, I was working in a factory in order to stay alive. I tricked people to keeping me alive by working as a slave laborer. Exactly. And you're swimming in a pool with your girlfriend. Giggling with a girl, yeah. And the guilt that you take on at that point. Wow. Yeah. And so Tom was here saying, enough of that. Right.

SPEAKER_00 25:32

Yeah. So then one of my one of my uh clients is a neuroscientist. So he shared this with me. One of his his research graduate study was he had a mama rat who had a whole bunch of babies. So they took a third of the babies into another building, like across the campus. And then they took another third of the babies uh into the other room. And then they took or they left uh other babies there with her, and then they broke her leg. And of course it caused a lot of trauma. And then they let the laid leg completely repair that she was fine, and then they brought all the babies from in the building and then across campus back. And when they would pick up a baby and they would strike the front left leg of any baby, they would scream and cray. They would scream in pain.

SPEAKER_01 26:37

Even the ones that were so far away had no physical. No idea, no idea that the leg had been broken. Just the mother's vibration of fear had sort of passed to all the children because the ancestral line is so strong. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

Yeah, there's an energetic tie. That's amazing. So this is where anywhere where any of that that trauma, drama, ghastly, horrific happened to your parents, are you willing now to release clear destroying and create all of that horror now? Yes.

unknown 27:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 27:17

When he sighs, it typically means there's like something like that.

SPEAKER_00 27:20

Moving energy. It's moving energy.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

Alright, so you we have to hear what the card is. It's feeler. Feeler, okay. Feeler is just someone who's sensitive and can pick up uh what's going on.

SPEAKER_00 27:32

She's talking about she's with children. Tamara is. Okay, this is gonna be a little far-fetched, but this is which is what she's talking about. Okay. It's like what she's sharing. When the children come home from school, you don't grab their homework and do their homework for them. She's telling me these stories to help me help uh you understand about fixing or helping everyone. If you did your children's homework, they won't learn. They won't learn.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

Okay. So this is like this is sort of picking up on the same theme, which is if you go and save everybody, then that person doesn't have a chance to grow and to uh to learn the lessons that they need to to move forward. Right.

SPEAKER_02 28:23

Well, also she she mentored people. Oh and so after she passed, I tried to step in. Oh, to do as best I could to help them. Uh-huh. In some cases, that's been beautiful. In other cases, it's been a mistake. Uh-huh. And so, but it's been something that's been a dominant theme for me since she left.

SPEAKER_01 28:47

Which is what exactly now? Helping these.

SPEAKER_02 28:52

She would rescue traumatized, mostly women who were artists or filmmakers or musicians, and then she would give them opportunities and give them confidence. Right. And then of course they were traumatized when suddenly this person was gone. Right. So I I tried to reassure them and tell them, look, I've lived my life with her. I I saw what she did. And so you can now turn to me. And sometimes that has been good, and other times it's obviously been bad. And it's been, I think, too much of a dominant theme. So it's I can I would imagine that she's trying to say to me, You're not me. Right. So don't.

SPEAKER_00 29:34

But it's because it's pulling you out of your gifts. Yes. You're a fantastic trapeze artist, but a horrible lion lion tamer. Right. This is you getting back into your gifts. Yeah. And she's making the point, I know this is a little esoteric, it's kind of a little bit of out there, but in past lives you've had a lot of children together in different lifetimes. So a lot of these people that exist today are literally your children. Grandchildren, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandchildren.

SPEAKER_01 30:12

Oh, literally from past lives who have now like hereditary. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

Here now. And you don't gotta fix them. Let people let these children, these great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandchildren of yours do their own homework. You know. So one of your fortees is directed energy. Like give this person what they need. You can you can actually think it and the energy will go there. Give them what they need, but without draining you.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

That's uh that's very interesting because Tamara had the ability to first she could sense when somebody was in a dark moment. And so you might not hear from her for a year, but then you went through something terrible, and then there she would be in your direct messages saying, Hey, how are you doing? And then her interactions were short and funny, usually. And she would lift you, give you a perception that you have value and you can go on and use your skill, and then she's gone. She moved on. For me, disentangling, and I'm talking for two hours, and it's like it doesn't have any of the light touch.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

So Tamerson had this sense to know when to enter a person's life, sort of get in there, offer them a little bit of light, but to not get entangled with the person's life.

SPEAKER_00 31:29

So you think about the holy men of India, Tibet, Bhutan that sit in the cave. Well, why what are they doing sitting in a cave? They're actually affecting the world on an energetic level way more than if they were the Pope. Right. Consciously, dude, that's your gift. If you just recalling all those centuries you sat in that cave. That's your forte. I understand. Did you see that shift?

SPEAKER_01 31:58

Yeah, it wasn't even a shift, it was like a remembering. Yes. Yeah. He went, oh yeah, that's what I do.

SPEAKER_02 32:06

That's um I I'm somebody that that like if I could, I would be living in a cave and meditating. Like I do like um even the way I live, in a sense, is like that. I'm I'm a bit of a hermit. Yeah. And so people come to me. Yeah. Um, I'm trying to be a little bit more outgoing. But that's a very comfortable space for me.

SPEAKER_00 32:28

And I'm not asking you to, you know, go on Zillow and start looking at cave property in Tibet. You know, like not doing that. But any wrongness, because you can accomplish a lot more in your meditations or in being alone by just sending the energy.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

Yeah. I actually live on a hill, and the place is is very private and surrounded by by plants, and so um it's a perfect place for that.

unknown 32:56

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 32:57

Was there a moment though in there? Because what I thought I saw was like just this moment of thinking of it was more remembering, like, oh yeah, that's what I do. I can create this energy, I can share this energy, or maybe it was a sense of relief. Like, I don't have to fix everyone's life physically. Yeah. I can just be Ronnie. I can just be and and expand my energy and let that do the work for me.

SPEAKER_02 33:26

Well, I've been, I've been, I mean, since she passed, I've felt driven to do something, to, to live up to her example, to and but at the same time, it made me think of all these books that and the the Tamar and I used to, like um Ramana Maharshi and and other of these masters that were living in these isolated places and developed these high levels of consciousness. And we both had a very um romantic kind of a view of it and and a draw toward it. Yeah. And we kind of lived that way, especially after COVID happened, it allowed us to just the two of us just to live together in this this kind of bond of it was enough just the two of us.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

Yeah, and I I think maybe that's also what we were picking up on is like a sense of relief. Like like that that it was like, oh, yeah. I don't have to go out and do all these things because Tamra's gone, I don't have to fill this void, I don't have to do all this work, I can just do it my way, which is really just kind of quietly.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:36

And Tamra was an example of that as well.

SPEAKER_02 34:39

That's absolutely right. Yeah, she she lived that way. Yeah. And and I I have the this driven kind of quality that that she was always trying to teach me not to do. Right. And she was grounded and always followed her own muse. Right. Whereas I'm someone who feels like I need to get out there, I have to reach people, how come it's not working?

SPEAKER_01 35:02

Do you have any questions? At this point, Chris starts to wind up the session by shuffling the deck, and two final cards fall out.

SPEAKER_00 35:09

You've got growth. Uh-huh. Oh. And S-U-C-C-E-S-S. That's the way you spell success.

SPEAKER_01 35:16

The success card and growth card.

SPEAKER_00 35:18

The success card and the growth card. This is sort of the final message. This is you are a success. You are successful in who you are. This is Tamar's message to you. Um don't you did don't you question my taste. Stop it. Stop it. She used to say stop it to me like that all the time.

SPEAKER_01 35:40

I know, she's saying it to you now. She's saying, she with don't you question my taste is really I'm telling you the truth about who you are right now. And don't don't you don't you question that. Yeah. And what she's saying is, this is this is you, success, growth, this is your life without me in the physical moving forward. Even so. Yeah. I mean, you almost don't have to interpret those. Those are just uh I understand. Yeah. Okay, be f this has been incredible. This has just been fantastic. But before we wrap up, the thing about Ronnie and Tamra's story is it's an incredible love story. It's just the most beautiful, amazing love story. And we've had a lot of Tamara giving Ronnie suggestions on how he can now go. And there's been a lot of love behind that. But just for a moment, I just want to see if you can ask Tamara to plug into just her love for Ronnie and see what that elicits.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

It's eternal and it always will be eternal. Again, this is timeless. It's not there's no time.

SPEAKER_01 36:57

It never began, it will never end, and it it hasn't ended in the past eight months.

SPEAKER_00 37:03

No, it's just like her going ahead on a like a school bus trip. I don't know what that means.

SPEAKER_01 37:10

She'll she just got there before him and she's I'll wait for you, you'll you know, be here in a bit.

SPEAKER_00 37:15

Yeah. Yeah. But she's talking about this like bus trips. So she's like taking a bus trip ahead of you or this trip ahead of you. But I don't there's no there's no space or there's no disposition. There's no separation. There's no separation. I don't get that at all.

SPEAKER_01 37:30

Yeah. Yeah. And I think from Tamara's point of view, from the way I understand things work, for her it's like that. Yeah. You know, for here, us on the planet Earth, it seems like decades, you know. Right. But for her, it's like, I just jumped on a bus. Just you know, you're gonna catch in the next one.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

It's just yeah, it's no big deal. Yeah. And she knows you know that. Yeah. You do more doing nothing than people in their whole lifetimes do by doing. Does that make sense? It does, yeah. Yeah. That's why she chose you, and I have really good taste. Oh, she's saying that. I'm not saying that. No, we got it. No, no, she got that. She did.

SPEAKER_02 38:09

Um I'll tell you a dream that I had the night before yesterday. Perfect. I love swimming. Uh swimming is is how I regenerate. So I was dreaming that I was in the pool and I was just enjoying the sun and the water. And then all of a sudden it got shadowy. And I tend to swim without clothes. And so I thought, oh, it's getting cold, I should get out. But I glimpsed someone from the corner of my eye. And as I turned and looked, I saw a Tamara walking up the driveway, and the sun came back. And she looked amazing. She was like glowing. Her hair was like this golden curve. And as she walked toward me, I just felt this overwhelming joy. And I actually I woke up and I felt this bliss. And I lingered on the image. I fell back asleep and the dream resumed. And she got into the into the water and took off her clothes. I was on my back floating, and she got on top of me on her back like I was a pool raft. And and her hair, I used to love it when she put her hair in my face. And so her hair, she flipped her hair into my face, and she was just lying, we're both perfectly still. And I could feel the sun through her body, and I could smell the sweet wheat scent of her hair. And we just sat motionless in the sparkling water like that. And it was so beautiful. So that reflects so many elements of what you've said, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 39:40

Tell me, tell me some of the elements.

SPEAKER_02 39:42

Not doing anything. I can do more. That she's never been gone. That that we're we're together, and that there's no time there, there's no place there.

SPEAKER_01 39:52

And then not doing any. I mean, you're f you just said floating on a raft in the pool. Like what is what more relaxing not doing could there be?

SPEAKER_00 40:02

That wasn't a dream.

SPEAKER_01 40:03

Yeah, that was a visitation, right?

SPEAKER_00 40:06

Yeah, I know. You moved a lot of stuff today. That just a lot of old couches.

SPEAKER_01 40:12

Yeah, I can reserve. And I just want to end by reiterating she jumped on the bus to go ahead of you, not just because, oh, this bus and it was easy, but because there's a there's a reason that you need to be here doing just everything that we talked about. And yeah. And so this is your time. Yeah. And she's right there with you, pushing her hair in your face and floating around in the pool. But this is your time, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:43

Well, thank you guys so much for being here. This has been just incredible in so many ways. It was beautiful, Christopher.

SPEAKER_02 40:50

Thank you. I really deeply appreciate it. Yeah. I'm glad you got to meet Tamara too. Yeah. She's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 41:25

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