S1 Ep13: He Sees What’s Holding You Back / Christopher LaPrath

What if the things holding you back aren't circumstances—but invisible beliefs and patterns you've been carrying for years… or even lifetimes?

Christopher LaPrath calls himself a “reality architect.” He says he can sense the hidden structures in a person's energy field—the self-imposed roadblocks, old belief systems, and deeply buried patterns that quietly shape the life we experience.

In this episode, Christopher returns to Realization Lab with filmmaker Michael Mazzola to show us how it works. And this time, David becomes the experiment.

What begins as a conversation quickly turns into a live exploration of the patterns David may be carrying—including his need to save everyone around him, and one particularly strange question about whether David is actually “from here.”

Can identifying and releasing an invisible belief actually change your reality?

This one gets personal.

https://christopherlaprath.com/

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:05

To make his point, Christopher asks David to hold his thumb and forefinger together while Christopher pulls on them. Let's just find out. Yeah, okay. So say yes. Yes. Off planet. Off planet. David says he comes from off planet and his fingers hold together.

SPEAKER_02 0:23

Oh, off-planet is true. Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_05 0:25

So his subconscious is saying he's from another planet. So you just say I'm from Earth. I'm from Earth.

SPEAKER_00 0:32

Not so much. Okay. Yeah. You're from off planet.

SPEAKER_05 0:43

Our world is magnificent. Filled with life in every imaginable form. But what if at the root of all of these diverse forms there was one energy? One conscious energy. That created everything we know. By becoming everything we know. Including you. Come with us as we peek behind the curtain of what we call reality. And explore the limitless wonders of consciousness. In the realization lab. Welcome everyone to another episode of Realization Lab. I'm Jay Sherrick. I'm here once again with David Ron. There he is, sitting right to my left this time. And we we have two guests.

SPEAKER_04 1:40

Double Trouble.

SPEAKER_05 1:40

Double Trouble here in the studio. We have Christopher Leprath. Thank you so much for being here.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

Thank you. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_05 1:47

And Michael Mazzola. Thank you for having me. We're very excited to have you. So people who watch the podcast will recognize Chris. David, you haven't been in on these episodes because you're not there for the Chris has an incredible ability to see shit that no one else sees, basically. What do you what have what are the terms you give for yourself?

SPEAKER_00 2:09

It's it's like a reality architect.

SPEAKER_05 2:11

A reality architect.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

It's like when you go into a building, you can kind of see where they have termites, right? Or they need a new beam put in, right. You know, for structural integrity. Uh that's kind of how I see things uh in people's fields. Uh-huh. Or and it's not really seeing, it's just kind of sensing. Uh-huh. Which is how my brain works. No two brains are like, you know, brains are like fingerprints.

SPEAKER_05 2:37

So the way your brain is wired, when you come in the presence of someone, or maybe even just think about someone I don't even know, but you're able to sense uh uh things in their field, their energy field, I guess, is what you would say. And these things are typically impediments, or what do you what are you seeing typically?

SPEAKER_00 2:55

Aaron Ross Powell Most of it is self-imposed roadblocks. They're constructs or belief systems that they came in with believing, oh, this is how you have to exist. Right.

SPEAKER_05 3:05

And can you even see David here behind all the roadblocks that he's uh created for you?

SPEAKER_00 3:17

No, but but when I you know when I met David for the first time, it was like, oh, what are you? Like this is really interesting. David's interesting. Well, everyone is. Everyone's interesting. By the way, he said what? Not who. It's a little alarming.

SPEAKER_05 3:29

I think what you said was you he seemed like he's from a different planet. Like yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

He's not from here.

SPEAKER_05 3:34

Right. Which we've sort of always kind of like guidance had said some things. Guidance is this spiritual uh entity that I used to communicate with on a very regular basis for a couple decades through a medium. And they were they had tremendous perspective, could see quite a bit. And they were saying that David had not spent that many lives here on the planet Earth. So uh so that was consistent with at least other information we've gotten.

SPEAKER_00 4:01

So yeah, when I saw when I kind of looked at you and went, what did I tell you earlier before we came in here?

SPEAKER_01 4:09

So we were standing out in the hall and he said, Don't let me forget for David. You said Oh, I forgot. No, no, okay, okay, okay. You said tell him to go ahead and not worry about everyone else catching up with you.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

Yeah, this is this is these are constructs that you came in here with where you've been you're you're a good guy, you but you've been holding back for waiting for people to catch up.

SPEAKER_05 4:37

That's that is your that we were just talking about that. That is your pattern of like anyone who's suffering, anyone who's having any trouble, you've got to like hold, stay back, help them make sure they're good, as opposed to just traveling on your on your path.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

Yeah, it's actually unhealthy for you. Right. It's actually literally unhealthy for you.

SPEAKER_05 4:55

Okay, I want to interrupt your your dissection of David for a second because we haven't introduced Michael who just so Michael Mazzola is somebody that has been working with Chris, and Michael knows so much about Chris and the work you do and everything like that, and he's got an interesting perspective. So I pulled him in to join us for this.

SPEAKER_00 5:13

Yeah, I've been working pretty close with Michael for the past two years.

SPEAKER_05 5:16

Yeah. So we're so glad to have you here. Oh, thank you. Happy to be here. I've seen you do incredible things in the few episodes that we've done. Well, you have this ability to kind of go to the heart of a person's core issues, which I guess is what you're talking about when you see the impediments in them. You know, you're it's different from what other psychic mediums that I've been around do. You just sort of like it's a much bigger picture. It's a much more like, what is the big thematic need that this person has right now, and how can I help them see that?

SPEAKER_04 5:53

Right. So it's not just channeling an ancestor who's coming to say hi. It's it's it's a little it's a little more.

SPEAKER_05 5:59

Oh, it's completely different, which is why I think you're so incredible and so valuable. I mean, it's just sort of it kind of uh skips over all the noise and just gets to the heart of things.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Right. Because nobody can see their own stuff. Right. And we talked about this before. You know, if you and I sit at an Italian restaurant and you have a spaghetti sauce on your face, you're not gonna see it. Right. Right. And you're not gonna be offended if I tell you, hey, uh Jay, you got a little spaghetti sauce right there. Right. Just take a napkin and wipe it off. It's no big deal.

SPEAKER_05 6:26

Right. What you were telling me, Michael, is from your understanding of working with Crisis, he has this unique ability to not only just find it, but uh help people actually move it away.

SPEAKER_01 6:38

To move it out of their fields. That's right. So when he's asking you, you know, will you now release, clear, destroy, and uncreate XYZ, he's asking for your authorization to move that energy.

SPEAKER_04 6:52

Right.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

And so this is his unique gift.

SPEAKER_04 6:54

Aaron Ross Powell And is that just to avoid legal trouble?

SPEAKER_05 6:56

I mean why Michael, why don't you just tell us about how you connected with Chris and what that experience was like.

SPEAKER_01 7:03

Sure. So um this was two years ago at the Conscious Life Expo in LA, which is like 25,000 people crammed into the LAX Hilton for a weekend.

SPEAKER_05 7:14

All new agey stuff.

SPEAKER_01 7:15

New agey stuff, and it's and most of it's just like really cringe, you know.

SPEAKER_05 7:19

You're there because you're a filmmaker. That's right. You've made a number of amazing films that I've watched on Netflix long before I knew who you were about the paranormal, about aliens.

SPEAKER_01 7:30

What are the names of your uh So Unacknowledged and close encounters of the fifth kind are probably the two best known. So I always go to these conferences to network and to see my friends. Right. I I never expect to actually encounter real consciousness or magic. Because it's a big circus, right? It's a big circus, and it's a lot of fun, you know? Um so Chris had a booth there, and he he looks at me, he goes, Oh my god. Oh, I did. He did. He's like, oh and I'm like, what? And he's like, oh, you have this connection to Babaji, and that got my attention. Let's just explain for people who Babaji is. So Babaji is uh so if you know who Yogananda was, right?

SPEAKER_05 8:11

Which is autobiography of a yogi, sort of famous.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

His guru's guru was Babaji. Right. But Babaji is like back in India. Back in India. But Babaji is a divine avatar like Christ, who has reappeared multiple times throughout uh history. And autobiography of a yogi is my favorite book. So I knew who Babaji was, and so he had my attention.

SPEAKER_05 8:32

So what did you see that made you think he had a connection to Babaji?

SPEAKER_04 8:37

His Babaji t-shirt.

SPEAKER_05 8:39

I love Babaji. Wow, you're so psychic! Amazing. It was a miracle.

SPEAKER_00 8:45

You're fucking.

SPEAKER_05 8:48

Other than the t-shirt, what did you see?

SPEAKER_00 8:50

I actually saw Paramantsu Yogananda and Babaji around him.

SPEAKER_05 8:55

Like standing behind him.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 8:56

This time you had like a vision.

SPEAKER_00 8:58

Yeah. I guess you could call that.

SPEAKER_05 8:59

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

Yeah. I don't know what else to put it.

SPEAKER_05 9:02

And so when you saw that, you were like, oh, there's something with you and we know this.

SPEAKER_00 9:06

Yeah. Might be good to know.

SPEAKER_05 9:08

And it's interesting that autobiography of a yogi is your favorite book. My favorite book. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

I didn't know if he was full of crap or not. Well, look at him. You would think, yes, he's full of crap, right?

SPEAKER_05 9:17

I mean, look at the hat.

SPEAKER_01 9:19

Well, okay, keep on. I'm in an environment where everyone's trying to sell me something. Right. Right? So my guard, my guard is up, right? I'm among hundreds of vendors who are all saying they're they have the greatest thing in the multiverse for the right price, right? So my guard is up, but you know, he has my attention, right? So then he gives me this free, huge, beautiful crystal and says, Here, put this in your pocket, you're gonna need this. I'm like, ooh, free crystal.

SPEAKER_05 9:46

That's a good come on. It's a good sign. The first one's free. The first one's today's device.

SPEAKER_01 9:53

And then, you know, I kept coming back, and I don't know why I kept coming back to his booth, and then just like and you're interacting with him or like, hey, small topic. Okay, I'll buy I'll buy your book. Even though he first told me about his book, I'm like, I don't have time to read books. And so then I'm standing in line for lunch, and he comes up to me and he gives me another crystal. And he says, Here, you're really gonna need this. Second one's free, too. Yeah. You're really gonna need this.

SPEAKER_05 10:18

Okay, so hold on. So, what inspired you to give uh give Michael the second crystal?

SPEAKER_00 10:23

So if you've had a few too many drinks, you kind of need to hang on to the kitchen counters.

SPEAKER_05 10:29

Right. Chris always has these metaphors that make absolutely no sense in the beginning. Michael needs to hang on to the kitchen counters.

SPEAKER_04 10:36

Yeah, he's he's got a whole lot of stuff that's putting him off balance and needs something to balance him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

Okay. So Michael's a drunk.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

Spiritually, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

He was being I could tell he was being downloaded. Oh. And and it when you're coming into like realization or aha moments, I mean we've all gotten dizzy.

SPEAKER_02 10:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:53

You know, it's kind of like a uh what is happening type of and I could sense that about him.

SPEAKER_05 10:58

He was he was at a point where he was receiving a lot of information. Was this as a result of the first crystal you gave him, or it was just like that?

SPEAKER_00 11:06

The crystals didn't have anything to do with crystals didn't, but I knew it would it would give him at least some kind of an anchor.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

So I go to lunch and I've got these huge crystals in my pocket, and I'm just sitting with my friend, and she's talking about her life, and all of a sudden I feel like like I'm on drugs. And it but it was it was the most um it was the most exquisite high I had ever experienced. Right. And I was thinking, did I take a mu something this morning? But I hadn't, right? Um and so I was sitting there and I couldn't even listen to what she was saying. And I said, excuse me, I have to, I have to go. And I went upstairs to my hotel room and I'm just meditating. I feel like I'm gonna leave my body. Right. And and I do happen, which is this um this tobacco ash that you blow up in the body. Why are you meditating and doing the hapay? Because I just I feel like I'm on LSD or something. And you're trying to and I'm trying to come back into my body because I feel like You're about to leave. I'm about to expand to the size of the universe. And I didn't know what was happening to me, and I was just trying to ground. Right. So then when I could finally walk again, I went downstairs and I found him, and I said, What the fuck are these rocks doing to me? And he said, It's not the crystals, it's you. And I said, Well, I don't I don't know what that means. And then he said, Well, here, take my number and we'll be in touch because you're going through this activation. So for the next two or three weeks, this exquisite high would just start around 10, 11 o'clock every morning. And it it would feel really good for like 20 minutes, and then I would get sick. And I would get really dizzy, and I would just lay down on the floor curled up in a ball, and then he would call and say, You're doing great. When he called while you're having the thing?

SPEAKER_05 13:01

Yeah, like as soon as the sickness And why did did you have a message like this is a time where So when I tune in, I can feel people, no matter the distance.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

It's like, oh this is where But he he always would call every single time. It like as soon as the sickness would kick in. He's like, Oh, you're doing great. And I'd say, you know, this is ruining my life. I can't get any work done because I'm either high as a kite or I'm sick, you know? Right. So then he said, Okay, you I think you should come to Arizona and work with me one-on-one and work with my teacher one-on-one. And so that's how the relationship really began. And it completely, completely transformed my life. And I went from living in a total shithole to living in a beautiful place now. I did work with him and his teacher for one weekend all around getting preparing myself for a loving romantic partnership. Oh wow. And this is again, I thought I was good, I was investigating monasteries to join because I thought I was gonna be alone for the rest of my life. And a month after doing this work, I met the person who's now my husband, moved in with him a week later. Yeah. Oh my god. But it just completely transformed my life and have never gone back to uh the psychedelics or anything like that since then because the highs that I feel working with this energy is so much better than any drug I've ever done. Wow.

SPEAKER_05 14:28

And you still get the sick part or just the I was gonna say, we now have to take a moment to come over to David's.

SPEAKER_00 14:46

That's not always that's not the reaction at all. Usually, right? I promise, I promise. I could do it.

SPEAKER_05 14:51

So so what was going on with Michael? Was this a spiritual awakening, or it sounded like he was sort of already awake?

SPEAKER_00 14:57

Absolutely. Yeah. Right. It's where you you just you you remove the cotter pin and it drops in.

unknown 15:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:04

Everything just dropped in. But he was ready, and he he's kind of a very rare exception. Right. Um but he'd already done quite a bit of work. It's it was also previous lifetimes.

SPEAKER_05 15:15

Yeah, yeah. I mean, obviously it sounds like he had had uh you know part of his lineage at least in some capacity. He's connected to it in some way.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

And that's kind of the it's it's it's a it's a feel. It's a it's an energy that I feel or see. This huge office building I worked a few years ago. This guy walked by me and I went, Oh, what the hell was that? And I stopped him, I'd never met this guy before. And I go, hey, I don't usually do this, by the way. Uh you're not crazy, you actually were abducted. And he goes, How the hell do you know that? And back in 1976, when he graduated, he was in Anchorage, Alaska, and he'd gone to his graduation party. So they got in the car driving home, and as they were going under this walkway overpass, this huge ship appeared. They went under the overpass, turned around, and and it was gone. And they were like, What the hell was that? And sure enough, they see two of their classmates walking up the street and they pull over and they go, Holy cow, what was that? Did you guys see that ship? And they go, What ship are you talking about? Now they had left the party at 11 PM. Uh-huh. It was now 4 a.m. Oh, and they they've been gone all that time. And the time, in the time that that they thought it took them to turn around. They'd been up. They'd been gone for five hours. He goes, It really screwed up my life for the rest of my life because I thought I was crazy. I thought, you know, I don't have anywhere to put this.

SPEAKER_05 16:38

Did you follow up with him or like like did that make a difference in his life?

SPEAKER_00 16:42

I'm sure it did.

SPEAKER_05 16:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

But no, I didn't know. There was no follow up.

SPEAKER_05 16:45

You told him and he's like, oh my and he told you this whole story.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

Yeah. Wow. Some people are for a season, some people are for a reason. You've heard that. Sure. The the people come into your lives for just a moment and some people for a lifetime. But Michael literally pushed himself to the brink why he had kind of that reaction. But he was actually just physiologically letting go of stuff that had been stored, these b old belief systems that no longer fit him. Right.

SPEAKER_04 17:13

Why does that happen? Like why do we have all these old stored belief systems? Why are we why do we keep carrying them forward?

SPEAKER_00 17:20

I'd like to see your attic or your basement. It's like some people are hoarders, and I'm not saying you are, I am energetic hoarders where you can't even get to the kitchen because of the pathway, right? Well, why do they keep all that stuff? It's it's like whether they believe it, they believe they need it, or they're going to use it one day. And some people have an incredible capacity for carrying these belief systems from previous lives. I was reading for this gentleman and there was this echo. It was like an echo around him. For me, it was like I was seeing double. It was like I was seeing two J's. Sorry. That's right. Yeah, it was right. So um anyway, it was a soldier.

SPEAKER_05 18:05

The echo is you're seeing a guy, and then the echo is a soldier. A soldier. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

But it wasn't a ghost. Right. It wasn't a spirit. Right. It was like, what the hell is that? Right. And what happened, this was an incredible story, is he had lived in World War II. He was a pilot.

SPEAKER_05 18:21

It was a past life of his.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

A past life of his. It was an echo of a past life, where he'd been a soldier and was shot down and lived during the entire fall. And his mantra became At least I'm dying for a cause, at least I'm dying for a cause.

SPEAKER_05 18:39

As he's falling from the shotdown place.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

He knew he was dying, but it was like, I'm dying for a cause, I'm dying for a cause, I'm dying for America, I'm dying for America. But in this life, he was born into the House of a Senator. So he would get like calls every day from the president and you know, Congress and Senate, and then he became an advocate for every political event.

SPEAKER_05 19:04

So he became all about the cause.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

He had hundreds of t-shirts and hats and clothes and how did you know he had been a pilot?

SPEAKER_05 19:12

Did that just start that information came to you? But how did you know about falling and him thinking this is what I'm thinking? It just comes to you.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

Okay. So here's what's interesting is uh he won he was like he's like, oh my god, that is totally like he he understood you. But uh the next week he asked his best friend to have a reading with me. So I did a reading for her and uh her dad comes through, and her dad had passed, but he's like I told her uh he wants you to celebrate his hundredth birthday. Uh-huh. And she goes, How do you know what his hundredth birthday is in two weeks? And I went, Well, that's what he just said. He wants you to celebrate. So she had a birthday party, even though he was on the other side. Right. Well, they invited uh this guy, I'll call him Bob. The guy who had a past life as a past life as a pilot. And Bob goes to this party and uh they're taking him through photo albums, and Bob goes, So what did your dad do? And they go, Oh, he trained all the World War II pilots. And when he saw the pictures, he knew. He recognized the guy, but he didn't know how he recognized him.

SPEAKER_05 20:23

In the picture, was it the father or was him in a past life that he recognized?

SPEAKER_00 20:27

No, it was the father. It was the guy who trained it. The guy that trained. He was like, Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 20:33

So he's at this party because he's got this connection to this guy who was a tr his his instructor in a past life. Yeah. And here he is, and he's looking at pictures, and he's on some level recalling this. What's also interesting about that story is I have heard it said that whatever you think about when you die is sort of like becomes the thing, you know, that it becomes a very powerful force, a very powerful influence in your life. So if he's thinking, I mean, it must be a very powerful experience to be falling from the sky, knowing you're about to die, and this is the mantra he's got going. And so when he's reborn, it created like a pothole.

SPEAKER_00 21:10

Yeah. Like a literal energetic pothole off of him.

SPEAKER_05 21:13

That's incredible. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:15

But you ask, like, how do these people know that this is true about them? Like what when when they're presented with this information? And I had a recent experience working with Chris's teacher, uh-huh. And I was trying to figure out why this thing kept happening, this pattern in my life. Uh-huh. And she's like, Yeah, it's this guy who you think is your friend, uh-huh, and he's actually been your nemesis for multiple lifetimes. He has enslaved you, he has killed you, he has dominated you.

SPEAKER_04 21:47

I think that you might be that typical.

SPEAKER_01 21:49

Well, that's what I was leaving to.

SPEAKER_05 21:50

It's telling this for real.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

Yeah. She's telling you about someone who I considered a mentor and a business partner, or someone who I cared for when he was. Sick, right? And I started having this extreme physiological reaction where I was sobbing, I was on the floor sobbing uncontrollably, but it there was no emotion. There was no sadness. It was like a physical release. And it was like my body was telling me, yes, this is true. Because what she was saying was kind of incomprehensible to me.

SPEAKER_05 22:23

Because it's so off your reality. So off my reality.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

But I immediately accepted that it was true because my body was screaming this is true, this is true, this is true. It was this deep physical release when she said it. I was like, this is fucking crazy. But okay, I guess you're right. And then it turns out she was right. Trevor Burrus, Jr. And you and you sort of found that out. Two months later, he sued me.

unknown 22:45

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Someone who I considered such a close friend.

SPEAKER_05 22:48

But your point is that on some level, yours was a very dramatic reaction, but on some level, you know, people know when Chris says it and they people go, oh yeah, that is true. I mean, that's certainly what we've seen in the readings that you've been doing on the podcast, is that people go, yeah, that totally makes sense for me because boom, you know. And they and they let that out. All right. I just want to hear a little bit about where you come from. I I know you have an interesting story about your your childhood. Give us the uh Christopher LePrath uh bio.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

Kind of the quick version. Um I'll start with like my grandparents. Okay. Here's the quick version.

SPEAKER_03 23:28

Five thousand years ago.

SPEAKER_00 23:31

There no, my my on my dad's side, uh-huh. Uh there were there were stories back in you know the late 1900s.

SPEAKER_05 23:41

Your great grandfather was in in the United States? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

In Iowa you know, when they first moved here, uh there they would be visited by ships.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

This was In Iowa, they were visited by ships? I think he means alien ships.

SPEAKER_05 23:53

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 23:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:54

Okay. You meant schooners? So your great-grandfather is being visited by aliens back in the uh but they had nowhere to put that, right?

SPEAKER_00 24:04

They had no and so they really didn't talk about it, but that's a story. But then on my mom's side, uh-huh, my grandfather was a healer.

unknown 24:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

And she would walk in on him where he like the neighbor came over and had a busted arm and she saw him, this light emanating from him. Oh wow. So there's been this kind of within the family type of situation, but where I became aware of it is my dad was violent back then. You know, they didn't really have the terminology for ADHD, bipolar, right, whatever. They they didn't have any of those terms, but he was I would call him insane because he would we lived in town up in a little town called Sandpoint, Idaho.

SPEAKER_05 24:47

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 24:48

And so he would chase us down the street.

SPEAKER_05 24:50

Chase you down the street because he would be bipolar and he'd be an errage. He'd be an array.

SPEAKER_01 24:55

Chase you down the street with what, Chris?

SPEAKER_00 24:56

Oh, axes and shotguns.

SPEAKER_01 24:59

A little detail.

SPEAKER_00 25:00

That's why my body goes here. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_05 25:02

So he he he would almost lose his mind basically in his rage.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

And you're how old? I'm like four or five years old. Wow. And so traumatic. Yeah. So my mom was really concerned about what the neighbors would think. So being a good American. Right. Because well, and I understand it, look, but you're looking back on it now, her business was a beauty shop, and that's where all the town gossip was. Small town, yeah, right. And so she's like, I gotta move the kids to the woods. Right?

SPEAKER_05 25:35

So he can chase you through the woods without people knowing.

SPEAKER_00 25:38

Yeah, without people knowing. But anyway, we moved to this house and it was it was absolutely haunted. Like the neighbors, the neighbors all knew that it was haunted. So it was like the convergence of the perfect storm. Like, you know, here's a guy that's already pretty much possessed, my dad, and moving into this haunted house, which then it created unbelievable.

SPEAKER_05 26:02

Did your dad go from really bad to worse? Oh, yeah. And what now what did that look like?

SPEAKER_00 26:07

You were always on survival. Right.

SPEAKER_05 26:10

But that heightens your psychic capacities because you have to read the room constantly. So you're picking up energies constantly as a six-year-old child in order to survive. So it's not just I'm kidding around with this, this is real shit.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

Then I I had this recurring visitation by this angelic creature that I call John, named him John. Uh-huh. He there was some kind of guidance there. There was some kind of protection. And then we lived in the woods, so when when my dad would go insane, I would go into the woods. And I mean, I had no fear of cougars or bears, and there were plenty of those, right? Because nature's an open system. You know, it bends, it grows, it adapts, it it flourishes. And so actually, I feel like a lot of that nature saved me. Okay, now hold on.

SPEAKER_05 26:57

There we go, we're going very fast. So who's this John guy? Like w what do you mean? There's a there's an angelic bean. Angelic bean. Okay. Did he come to protect you and your family?

SPEAKER_00 27:09

Yeah, I really believe that. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 27:10

There was definitely some talk to him? Could you see him? What did he look like?

SPEAKER_00 27:16

A little bit like John Ham. I don't know. I don't know. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 27:21

But I mean, did he look like an angel like with the wings and the harp and all that? No. But and you would see him almost as a form. Like a a person, okay. And would you have communication telepathic or verbal?

SPEAKER_00 27:35

There would be telepathic.

SPEAKER_05 27:36

It would be there would be like And did he communicate to you I got you? Or what what would you what would you pick up from being around him?

SPEAKER_00 27:44

I'm I'm looking out after you. Things are gonna be okay.

SPEAKER_05 27:47

And was your sense he might not have been there until you guys moved in? No, he was probably there before. Just to watch over things. Because that was a pretty hairy place, it sounds like.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

It's like we've talked before, right? That the universe is stranger than we can think. That's Werner Heisenberg, the founder of quantum physics. So there really are beings that we cannot see. We only see one-tenth of one percent of what's on the electromagnetic spectrum. So we can't see microwave far infrared. Yeah. But sometimes that glitch uh alters, and sometimes we do. And so, like how you uh how you came to this earth to create this broadening of uh people's uh scope of what's uh actual and what's potential. That's why both of you are here and a lot of the work that you do is uh you help expand that to go, oh, this this might actually be possible.

SPEAKER_05 28:42

Well, that's first of all, that's very kind. I appreciate you because that nothing would make me happier than to make that contribution. I don't know how David's contributing to that, but uh there he is, sitting right there nonetheless.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

Um you're gonna be contributing a lot more because i if you agree, I'll help you move that energy around holding back. I agree.

SPEAKER_05 29:01

At this point, Christopher starts giving David a spontaneous reading.

SPEAKER_00 29:05

You thought it was a kind thing for you to do, to wait or to hold up. But no, you're you're here to just bust through these barriers and let people catch up when they can catch up. My teacher told me this, they go, people either get it now or they get it later. It's better to get it now. But if it takes them another ten days, another ten lifetimes, that's up to them. You're here to bust through, and so do you release and clear, destroy, and uncreate the need to wait for people. Because somehow you've interpreted it as a kindness, but it's actually not kind to you.

SPEAKER_05 29:47

Do you what do you get what he's saying about kindness? Does that resonate with you? Yeah, I mean it resonates with me while I did it so hard. So I guess it's so obvious, but now watch, he's gonna give us a scientific, like, well, maybe a little bit I'm a skeptic, right?

SPEAKER_04 30:01

I like I've always been a skeptic, and my dad's just Rola here on the show is too. And my, you know, my I you know, Jay knows my dad is a chemical physicist. Everything was very like if you can't prove it, it's not real and stuff like that. So that's how I've come up.

SPEAKER_05 30:13

And there weren't angels named John in your house.

SPEAKER_04 30:22

But my relationship with Jay has opened up all these like little doors and things like that, and and I've I go forward, I come back. I go forward, I come back.

SPEAKER_05 30:30

Okay, okay, yeah. But the question was so he's saying, you think it's kindness, I mean it's so obvious to me. You think it's kindness every time that someone's suffering, I'm gonna go help them suffering.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

And he's saying, No, you're not doing them a kindness to just like move on, and I'm like, but my boy, my boy needs me, you know, and like but this is more of like your identity and you actually coming into and remembering where you came from.

SPEAKER_05 31:01

What does that mean? Where did he come from? What I don't understand what that means. Christopher now uses reflexology to show David how very literally his pattern of worrying about everyone else is causing him stress and depleting his body.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

So certain things weaken us and certain things uh strengthen us. Okay. So put your thumb and middle finger together like this guy.

SPEAKER_05 31:23

Christopher then says a series of positive and negative words as he tries to pull David's thumb from his forefinger. So say the word yes. Yes. David's fingers don't budge. I'm pulling pretty hard.

SPEAKER_00 31:36

Say the word no. No. And his fingers come apart. No, we're I want you to really try to keep it. Really? Okay. No. No.

SPEAKER_05 31:44

And his fingers come apart.

SPEAKER_00 31:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 31:49

See, his fingers won't come apart when you say when he says yes, but his fingers, you are able to pull them apart when he says no.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

So just say my name is David. My name is David. My name is Mickey Mouse. My name is Mickey Mouse.

SPEAKER_05 32:02

So on Mickey Mouse, you could pull the fingers apart.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

Right. Because it doesn't complete a whole entire electrical circuit. Right.

SPEAKER_05 32:09

Okay. Well, I asked you you said because of where you came from, and then you showed me that how powerful it seemed to me, truthfulness and positive energy is.

SPEAKER_00 32:22

So your subconscious knows stuff. Like you don't know how many times you blinked yesterday. Right. You don't know how many times you breathed in heartbeat. Nobody knows that. But that's all part of that area of the brain that does that automatically. Right.

SPEAKER_05 32:37

So there's some part of our brain that knows how many times we inhaled yesterday. And knows where he came from. It caused the inhaler. And knows where he came from. And knows where he came from. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 32:46

So let's just find out. Yeah. Okay. So say yes. Yes. Off planet.

SPEAKER_05 32:51

Off planet. David says he comes from off planet. And his fingers hold together.

SPEAKER_02 32:57

Oh, off-planet is true. Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_05 33:00

So his subconscious is saying he's from another planet.

SPEAKER_00 33:03

So you just say I'm from Earth. I'm from Earth.

SPEAKER_03 33:06

Not so much. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 33:10

Yeah. You're from off-planet. And so that's so when I was telling you about this vibration, it's it's like a it's like a a vibration in the field that I sense with him. Right. It's different than earthlings.

SPEAKER_04 33:25

So what do I do with that?

SPEAKER_00 33:27

You stop waiting for people.

SPEAKER_05 33:30

We got to that very early.

SPEAKER_00 33:32

So we're going to go back to going Do you release and clear the need to save everyone? I release it. Good. Because some people don't want to be saved.

SPEAKER_05 33:44

Or they're not ready yet to release it. Or they're not ready. Yeah, yeah. Did you really release it though, David?

SPEAKER_04 33:48

You said trying to, yes. I really I want to release it. He released it. Yes. Yeah, he definitely did.

SPEAKER_02 33:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

So can I add that when you're asking him, will he release these things? I'm also internally answering yes. And the people watching this at home.

SPEAKER_00 34:03

If they're ready, if they're willing, if they're able, and they're safe, this program will change their lives because they get the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 34:10

They can authorize it too.

SPEAKER_05 34:12

Because so many people have the same kind of patterns. It all looks a little bit different, everything like that, but the the essence, the theme of the patterns are so similar. I mean these are the energetic dominoes. That's what I do. And then Christopher sees an opportunity to take it a little further with David. So he does one more finger exercise.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

So just say yes. Yes. Yes. It's safe for me to surpass others.

SPEAKER_04 34:35

It is safe for me to surpass others.

SPEAKER_00 34:37

His fingers come apart.

SPEAKER_05 34:38

Not really. That's interesting. I mean, I totally get that. I mean, David and I are a lot alike in many ways, even though I'm so much better looking. But he, I like that syndrome of like, is it's like I don't want to stand out, I don't want to be better. You know, everyone should come along. I totally get that.

SPEAKER_04 34:55

So just say this. So it's safe for me to stand out. It's safe for me to stand out.

unknown 35:00

No.

SPEAKER_05 35:01

Not yet. What's so weird about it is David's parents spent his entire childhood telling him how special he was, how great he was, the whole world. You know, that must have scared the shit out of him.

SPEAKER_00 35:13

So just so just say, I have to hide. I have to hide. David's fingers don't bug.

SPEAKER_05 35:19

It's going nowhere. You're hiding.

SPEAKER_00 35:21

But that's okay. It's not wrong. It's not bad. It's a survival. This is survival stuff.

SPEAKER_04 35:27

So what do I do to get unraveled? Okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:30

So you're safe, you're safe, you're safe to stand out. So do you release clear, destroy, and uncreate the need to blend in.

SPEAKER_04 35:39

Completely. It's weird that you're saying this, though, because I feel like my instinct is always to stand out.

SPEAKER_05 35:44

This is how the brain's tricking you into David's brain is almost saying, look how much you like to stand out, look how much you like to stand out, as almost as a camouflage for this real fear of what happens if I stand out. I know you and I know you, you know, like it we both get uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_00 36:00

You know, if we But this is so this is a so this so do you release, clear, destroy, and uncreate all fear of standing out? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 36:12

I don't think we I don't think we can. So just say yes.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

Yes. They'll just say I release, clear, destroy, and uncreate all fear of standing out.

SPEAKER_04 36:18

I release clear clear destroy and uncreate. And uncreate all fear of standing out.

SPEAKER_05 36:25

And this time David's fingers hold. And that's switched. Okay, but now ask him if um are you okay to stand out. Just put it very simply.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

So you're okay to stand out.

SPEAKER_05 36:35

No, no, no, no, no. Let's give a real direct question, you know.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

Well, you ask him.

SPEAKER_05 36:40

Okay. Um Are you okay standing out and being the best and the greatest there is? Yes. And he is. Wow. It's it's just like that.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

But he was ready.

SPEAKER_05 36:51

Right. Now I gotta catch up.

SPEAKER_04 36:53

So someone, so someone watching, aren't they gonna say, well, you're just pulling harder when you want him to say no and you're pulling s isn't that what the skeptic is gonna say?

SPEAKER_00 37:01

So can you release clear destroy and uncreate the need for other people to catch up? Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 37:06

There's gonna be a zillion of those people.

SPEAKER_00 37:08

Yeah, that's not who we're here for, that's not who we're working with. Right. And like I have no convincing. I don't work with people I need to convince. Like why would you? Yeah, why would I?

unknown 37:17

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 37:18

All right. So let's go back to your your your upbringing. Is there so you've lived in this haunted house in the middle of the woods, running away from with the angel running away from the comic sound. Yeah. Um and typical. Where else, then where did that go?

SPEAKER_01 37:32

So eventually, um, well, tell them about seeing your grandfather.

SPEAKER_00 37:37

Okay. So the good thing you're here, Michael. Thank you, Michael. Um, so my my family um we all heard these horrible noises. Pounding on the door. Wait, in the haunted house. In the haunted house. Okay. Screams. We all heard it. Screams. And then and then when I would tell my parents or my family that I would see this stuff, they'd go, that's just your imagination.

SPEAKER_05 38:04

Even though they all heard it, they were just kind of denial about it. Yeah, they were like, oh no, no.

SPEAKER_00 38:08

Okay. Anyway, one night I was about six, seven years old, I don't know. I was walking by the picture windows, and out in the yard was my grandfather. So I went and told my mom, hey grandpa's in the yard, yeah, put the whatever. She's like, You know he's in Nebraska, go play. He's in a what? Nebraska. Nebraska. Oh, Nebraska. Yeah, that's a state.

SPEAKER_05 38:26

You know some people say it more clearly than you. Nebraska. Nebraska. Nebraska. Nebraska.

SPEAKER_00 38:32

Anyway, so he two hours later, we get a phone call from my aunt, and he passed away two hours before. Oh my god. And yeah. So that's when my mom believed me.

SPEAKER_05 38:44

You had reported at that time I see grandpa standing over there. Oh. Yeah, that around that time that your mom started to believe you. Yeah. Although that may not be a topic she wanted to introduce in the beauty pillar.

SPEAKER_00 38:55

Right, but then she knew like she had to do something. Oh. It moved her to go, my dad is with me. He'll he's here to help me. I can I can leave this marriage.

SPEAKER_05 39:06

Oh. Seeing you have that capability gave her the courage to get out of this very horrible situation. Because this is uh a period in time and also a geography in our world where the idea of divorce was was heavily frowned upon. Exactly. Yeah. Right. And she had the courage to do it. And and and was she successful in doing that?

SPEAKER_00 39:29

She was. Wow. Yeah. But then I went the other direction and I joined a religion. Oh. That was very controlling.

SPEAKER_05 39:39

Are we naming religions? We're not naming religions. Because that's good.

SPEAKER_00 39:43

The reason I'm not naming religions is because any religion can have this impact on people where it where it just kind of caps them and takes control of it. Right. Because I, at that time, even the young as a young person, I wanted an explanation. Right. Why, how come, what's the cause of this? Oh, God, devil. Good, bad. Right. Simple explanation. And I bought into it hook, line, and sinker. I was a missionary in China. Oh my god. I tried to convert all the pagan Buddhists. And you know how successful that was.

SPEAKER_01 40:14

How many people did you convert, Chris?

SPEAKER_00 40:16

Zero. Zippo.

SPEAKER_05 40:18

You're the worst missionary.

SPEAKER_00 40:19

I was like the worst missionary ever. It was the biggest biggest exercise in futility you can imagine.

SPEAKER_05 40:26

But what did you learn out of it?

SPEAKER_00 40:28

Mandarin.

SPEAKER_05 40:30

Do you speak Mandarin? Tangran. Yeah, okay. Yeah, for sure. Um okay, so you you're a failed missionary. Then where do where do you go?

SPEAKER_00 40:38

So then I went home, struggled, you know, just doing it.

SPEAKER_05 40:44

And where are your psychic abilities at this point? Have you sort of shut them out? Because that's the devil's work? That's the devil's work. Yeah. So you're I'm not gonna I'm not even listening.

SPEAKER_00 40:51

And you would be so they this church, as most churches do, practice abandonment. Right. So people would rather die than be abandoned. The abandonment is a big, big thing in psychology and psychiatry. This whole thing.

SPEAKER_05 41:06

But you're saying a normal human being would rather die than be abandoned.

SPEAKER_00 41:10

Because abandonment is so hard on the So then religions practice abandonment, excommunication, where no one ever talks to you again. Like if you if you're the bad person.

SPEAKER_05 41:20

So that's the ultimate kind of like card you fear. Yeah, it's the big step. It's the yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 41:26

So I I just shut it up.

SPEAKER_05 41:28

You didn't want to be abandoned, you don't want to be excommunicated, so you should and then when did you come back to it?

SPEAKER_00 41:34

Probably 25, 30 years ago.

SPEAKER_05 41:37

What happened then?

SPEAKER_00 41:38

I met this teacher of mine.

SPEAKER_05 41:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:41

Who had actually worked with the teacher of the Dalai Lama. Oh. And the teacher of the Karmapa. The Karmapa is the head of like the Buddhist order.

SPEAKER_05 41:50

Uh-huh. So he is it's an Asian tradition that this teacher comes from. Yeah. You met him where?

SPEAKER_00 41:57

Well, uh, I thought I was at that time, but you were trying to convert him. No, no, I I a friend of mine, one of my clients, um I was a reflexologist. I had my own clinic in Tempe. And so um she was one of my clients, and she goes, You have to meet this woman. So I went up to this uh woman's uh house one night and she came to the door and I tell by I talk about this in my book. Yeah and it was I I don't know what you call this in film, Michael knows what it's called, but it's where the camera cuts back and like it was a weird disorder. It was completely disorienting. It was a very disorienting when I met her.

SPEAKER_05 42:36

Like the time and space kind of just shifted and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 42:40

And I perceived something. I said, What are you? Are you an angel? And she starts laughing. She goes, No, I'm an alien. And I freaked out. And when I when she saw the look on my face, she goes, No, I mean I'm from Canada. Okay. But I would but that that time I was gone. Like I was like, What what is and that's when it just started flooding coming back? Uh huh. It was just all and eventually I I wrote a letter, excommunicated myself, no one ever talked to me again. Yeah. I got a divorce from my wife. Who is in the church? Extremely controlling. Right.

SPEAKER_05 43:14

And then this woman became your teacher? Yeah. Could she tell that there was certain abilities that you had and she she felt that she should take you on as well?

SPEAKER_00 43:25

I was just buried. I was just buried in dogma, in projections, in belief systems.

SPEAKER_05 43:31

And what did what did your um tutelage with this woman look like?

SPEAKER_00 43:35

Were was it from afar or was did you actually No, I I went, I I, you know, I spent I I I would write her post data checks. Remember what the checks? Remember checks? Yeah. I would write her post dated checks because I didn't have the money, but I knew I wanted this so badly. Wow. I knew I wanted to be free. It's called forgery, but okay. Yeah. I wanted to be free. But but that's That's where it was like, woo. Yeah. You know, I wanted out of this.

SPEAKER_05 44:03

Yeah. And so and to this day, she's still in your life. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:06

Her name is Barbara Hepburn. I said, hey, I'm going on Jay's show with Dave. And she she sends this great energy. Oh.

SPEAKER_05 44:13

Thank you, Barbara. Yeah. Thank you so much. Take it. Yes. Yes. All right. Well, uh Christopher Leprat, I'm so happy you're participating with us on the podcast. Thank you so much for doing this. It's fantastic. And Michael, I'm so glad we roped you in because uh you you helped Chris make sense of himself. Thank you for having me. I would have shamed if I knew I was gonna be on camera. You look fantastic. And your experiences are so amazing and fascinating. And speak to exactly what Chris is up to and what he's been doing. And uh we'll just see what happens with uh David over here as time goes by.

SPEAKER_00 44:49

Um we're all gonna get Klingons on us energetically that are gonna try to drag us down. You know, I've I talk about this as if you want to go crabbing in the ocean, you don't need a lid on the cage. You just lower the cage in with the bait, right? All the crabs crawl in and you pull it up, and when one starts, it's like, oh like one will go, oh my god, we're in a cage. Right. And the other crabs will go, eh, let's just pull him back down. The other crabs pull the crab that's trying to escape back down. Why? That's what crabs do.

SPEAKER_05 45:21

So a crab is trying to crawl out of the cage that has no lid, and all the other crabs pull him back down.

SPEAKER_00 45:27

So you just don't hang out with crabby people at all. Right.

SPEAKER_05 45:31

Right. But that's what we all do to each other. It's like, no, no, no, we all learned that reality was this and it fits in this box, and oh, you're trying to go there, no, and we throw them back in.

SPEAKER_00 45:40

Well, we we did, maybe some of us did, but this is we don't need to do that anymore. Yeah. And and when you're around people like that, when you're moving forward, they try to drag you back down because they sense they know you're climbing out of the cage. Right. And it's threatening. And they don't like that.

SPEAKER_04 45:55

Yeah. So my question is um what you did with me, right? Not everyone's gonna have the opportunity to sit with you and do that.

SPEAKER_05 46:03

So here's he's trying to protect everybody else.

SPEAKER_04 46:05

Well, no, I'm just saying, like, you know, if if Mike from, you know, from Toledo wants to shed something on his own, can he identify his own issue? And no, okay.

SPEAKER_00 46:16

You nobody can see their own stuff. Got it. I don't care how good you are, I cannot see my own stuff.

SPEAKER_05 46:22

Got it. But but we live in kind of a magical universe, I think, where when you're ready, opportunities come to you. Whether it comes to you in the form of Christopher Le Pratt or some other podcast or a book, or but when you're ready, the teacher appears. Yeah, and that teacher can come in any form and and you have the opportunity.

SPEAKER_00 46:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:48

So yeah, your guy is gonna be fine. Everyone's gonna be fine. And that's why you can move on, because everyone, when they're ready, will have everything they need to uh teach.

SPEAKER_04 46:58

I was actually thinking about like Jake.

SPEAKER_05 47:00

He's worried about it. I'm worried about my son. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:02

Like, can Jake heal himself? Wait, when will Jake heal him?

SPEAKER_05 47:05

When will Jake heal himself? All right, we gotta wrap it up here. Okay, all right. Um, Christopher, thank you so much. I'm so happy you are in our world. And Michael, thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and experience with all of this. And this has been an incredible episode. It's gonna help so many people and have an impact in people's lives. Yeah, yeah. Thank you guys very much. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you guys. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe to Realization Lab on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts.