S1 Ep15: Healing Across Lifetimes / Shana Schlossberg (Part 2)

When we left off, Jay was about to reveal what happened when he got on Shana's table himself — and how it cracked something open within him he never expected.

In part two, Shana takes us inside the mechanics of her work: how trauma lodges itself in the body long before the mind can name it, how she reads a client's chakras like pages in a story, and why she believes nearly every adult struggle traces back to something unresolved in childhood — or, in a surprising number of cases, in a past life entirely. She walks through the session that surfaced a buried memory from Jay's own childhood, and Jay describes a powerful experience he calls nothing short of life-altering.

The conversation widens from there into the biggest questions Shana grapples with in her work: why suffering exists at all, what Kabbalah teaches about the sanctity of every single soul, and why she believes humanity is racing against the clock to wake up before the "new world" fully arrives. Along the way, David — still very much the skeptic — presses her on how much of this he can actually buy.

Part two of two — funny, unflinching, and at times genuinely startling.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:05

So she said, I might have seen something when you were like three or four, had like a sexual nature to it that left a mark, you know. And I was like, really? I I couldn't remember an incident, but I was like, if if anything happened, I think it happened like in point lookout had to do with these older boys. And then you said to me, Do you want to know our world is magnificent? Filled with life in everything. I become everything. Come with us as we peek behind the curtain of what we call feel and explore the limitless wonders of consciousness. In the realization lab. In part one of this episode, Shauna spoke about how she rebelled against her orthodox Jewish upbringing in Baltimore. Ultimately became a very successful executive and then entrepreneur in the world of tech, but then gave it all up when, after a lifetime of mystical experiences, she finally discovered she was a healer. So she spent 30 days praying for guidance at the grave of a famous Jewish mystic until finally.

SPEAKER_02 1:48

And then my angels came.

SPEAKER_03 1:50

So you had to pray for 30 days. You you lived nearby this and you would go every day. Every day you would go like a pilgrimage and you would pray.

SPEAKER_02 1:58

Show me the way. I said maybe I need to go study something. I'm a healer. I need to heal people. What should I study? I didn't know. And and I just knew I didn't need to study, but I didn't know I've never done this.

SPEAKER_03 2:09

So you pray for 30 days, and then the big the big guys start showing up.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

An angel shows up and first of all explains to me who I am, where I come from, and what my my work is here, and then says to me, I'll teach you. And he taught me the method that I work. And he said, I said, where do I start? Like it's was so scary that first session I ever did afterwards. And I'm grateful to the person who was my first till this day because I did not know what I was doing.

SPEAKER_03 2:37

And this is the angel who shall not be named?

SPEAKER_02 2:41

I've never received a name, and I don't want to give too much characteristic. But it's a very, very powerful angel of healing. There's only a specific amount of angels of healing, and he is very high there. He's been my angel for all of my past lives. He's been with me.

SPEAKER_03 2:57

So is he your your like your higher spirit guide? No.

SPEAKER_02 3:02

No.

SPEAKER_03 3:02

He's a healing angel.

SPEAKER_02 3:03

He's specifically healing, and I've been a healer before, and I'm connected specifically to his powers for many of my past lives. I'm now discovered. So he is only so each one of us was brought in by an angel, having to do with the work we need to do here, and that angel guides us and watches us 24-7 and will take us out of this world. We all have one of those. Sometimes we have guides, different souls, family members, ancestors that guide us and protect us too. Some may be temporary and some are there for the whole life. My father being one of them for me. I have a group, but he is the most powerful in the group. But these specific angels only having to do with my work.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

Right.

SPEAKER_02 3:43

So I can't ask ask him personal questions. Oh, I see. It's only about clients. So if someone comes and I'm like, how do I deal with that? He's there.

SPEAKER_03 3:52

And and he you feel has been with you every lifetime?

SPEAKER_02 3:56

No, I wasn't a healer in every lifetime, but I've been I've I've been working in this weird space, as you will, many times before.

SPEAKER_03 4:03

And he's been with you since the beginning of this lifetime.

SPEAKER_02 4:06

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_03 4:07

Oh, it was only after praying that he showed up.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

He only showed up when I was ready. So what I realized is the ones that have to do with calling only show up when you're ready to start that calling.

SPEAKER_03 4:16

They don't want to waste her time.

SPEAKER_02 4:17

I see it with clients sometimes. I had a client the other day that I met in one of the sessions, we met her protector from birth, and she she led a very challenging life, so she was protected from birth. But her angel of calling only showed up in the last session. And I know this angel because I've met her before with other clients, and she said she's ready now. So she showed up for the first time.

SPEAKER_03 4:39

What kind of calling was hers?

SPEAKER_02 4:41

Hers is one of the heart. It's one of giving. She has to help and give people to different. It's not healing, it's more the heart and giving. Mine comes from a different place in the body. Um and I have a very specific angel. His job is only, and then that's what I'm saying. Even as I got uh more comfortable with my work, he shows up less.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:58

Because he's only there when he's needed around the work. He he and I don't sit for a chat. Yeah, he doesn't have time for that. So he's very, very high and specifically to get me on the on the path.

SPEAKER_03 5:08

All right. So you've you've prayed for 30 days and this spirit shows up. And he then tells you what?

SPEAKER_02 5:17

He says to me that I've always been a healer. I've been for thousands of years, and that um I'm part of a collective of a certain number of people that are here to heal and help people move over to the new world. Here on the planet Earth. Yes. Right now. And that I have to do it. I have no choice.

SPEAKER_03 5:34

Do you know other people in this collective? No. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 5:36

So I'm taught the work and I take I start with my first clients in India. You're taught to work by the angel. Yeah. Okay. About a month and a half. I'm taught to work, and then I'm told to take my first client, and it's a friend.

SPEAKER_03 5:49

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 5:50

And uh and in real time, I'm being guided on what to do.

SPEAKER_03 5:54

Do you say to your friend, I've got this angel telling me and I need someone to work on? Can you or have you?

SPEAKER_02 5:59

No, I didn't tell her at that level. I told her I'm I've been directed to go to this type of healing, and I need my first client. I was very honest.

SPEAKER_03 6:07

And you don't really know what you're doing, but there's this guide here telling you exactly what to do. Let's talk then now about what it is you do.

SPEAKER_02 6:16

Has it changed a lot in the course of the Yes, it has evolved considerably, but it's still the same concept. So the idea is, and that's why now I understand they needed me to me to understand two things in the mushrooms. One is that healing is the divine.

SPEAKER_01 6:30

Right.

SPEAKER_02 6:31

And it's mine. The second thing is how much trauma sits in the body. Because I work on the body. So I I I being a great example, me being a great example is I did a lot of work. I did a lot of therapy. I did a lot of stuff in the spiritual space and a lot of self-betterment and meditation, everything. And so much was still stuck.

SPEAKER_03 6:55

I want to say, not only are you a good example of that, I'm a good example of that. She wasn't going to say it because she's being very uh respectful. But um Shauna was leaving to go out of town, and I was like, Oh, I want to do things. She was like, We only have a certain number of days. We were like, how you know, how many days will it take? And she said, Well, some people, if they don't have a lot of stuff, it'll just take five days, and other people, you know, it could go on for a while. So um, I like, oh well, I've been meditating, you know, I'll be fine, you know. And then I for the first day I show up, and after the session, you're like, okay, there's a lot going on on that. This is not a five-day situation. So you actually, until the day you left, on the very day you left, you had to have one last session to finish. And with all the stuff I've done, there was still so much trauma in my body.

SPEAKER_05 7:48

I would have the exact opposite reaction, which is like, uh, you need to clear your calendar. Cancel your trip.

SPEAKER_02 7:56

Yeah, cancel your trip. So essentially, what I was taught is the ability to peel open the body and pull out the trauma. So trauma is held in the body, memories in the mind. The subconscious sits different than the conscious mind. So we remember everything, and I don't touch memories, but I can clean it out of the body in a way that you can remember the experience, but not feel the hurt and the pain and small and every time something similar happens being triggered. So, for example, most of us we go through our day and everything triggers us, everyone annoys us, and everything we feel small and we feel unimportant. It has nothing to do with someone's head because we were small and unimportant as a child. Psychology 101.

unknown 8:40

Right.

SPEAKER_02 8:40

So the psychologist will sit with you for a decade and help you clear that out or understand it. But most people understand it, they understand what's triggering them, but it's still triggering them.

SPEAKER_01 8:49

Right.

SPEAKER_02 8:50

What I can do is go in and pull it out in a way that it lessens dramatically the print on the body. So the next time someone says something to you, you're like, oh yeah, I probably should have moved the cup. That's okay. Right. And so it it it lessens the trigger and it lessens everything. And essentially I peel the body open like an onion, layer by layer. And many times it's literally the timeline of your life. So we've accumulated different trauma at different ages. I say to people, you know, another psychology one-on-one is the concept of an inner child. We all have that child in us that their needs weren't met, but I believe that different chakras were shut off or closed or rerouted different things in different people at different times. Different times.

SPEAKER_03 9:35

Now, when you say I believe, you actually see it. So you're saying that to be polite to people who think otherwise you you as well. I see it as fact. Yeah, because I I'm lying on this table and you're doing your work, but you literally like open up the layers of my body and see my chakras.

SPEAKER_02 9:52

I see your chakras and you show me. So your body is telling me your story.

SPEAKER_03 9:56

Right.

SPEAKER_02 9:56

So the body is holding every image and every trauma as a concept, as a being. And when I say to the body, show me what happened at age three, they're showing me what happened at age three.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:07

They're showing me what you went through, they show me what you felt. I've seen actual images.

SPEAKER_03 10:11

See, you see the moment. So you see people's trauma. Yes. So that's tough. So let's uh let's talk about the specific with in my life. Um so, as you well know, I grew up with a father who was very uh who yelled a lot. And I have always assumed that that was the core trauma in my life, and I've been sort of dealing with that. But when we started working with Shauna after the first session, you were kind of coy about it, you know.

SPEAKER_02 10:41

You because you said it's a big thing, and I have to be kind of careful.

SPEAKER_03 10:45

So she said, I might have seen something when you were like three or four. Uh, was there, you know, I might have seen something that had like a sexual nature to it that left a mark, you know, and I was like, Really? I I couldn't think of anything. And she said, Well, we don't really know, let's just see. You've got to like let me leave just to sort of let it hang there for a moment. Then came back the next day to do the next session. And I said, Well, you know, I was thinking about it at three or four, and it it reminded me of this place we would go to in the summer, like our beach house in the summer. I'm like, if something happened, it probably happened there. And I knew there were like these older boys in that environment, and you know, I was like, I couldn't remember an incident, but it's like if if anything happened, I think it happened like in point lookout, it had to do with these older boys. And then you said to me, Do you want to know? And I was like, Well, what do you mean? I thought you weren't sure. She goes, I would I didn't want to put too much information into your head right away, just wanted to have time. And so then she recounted an experience where I, as a young person, was in a situation where it I wasn't, it wasn't like I I wasn't raped or anything like that. Which kind of made sense to me because I I feel like that might have I might have come back to that or recalled that. But she recalled a situation where I had been it's more like sex playing for kids, like playing doctor or something like that. And um but I was in a very bad and vulnerable position and scared and felt trapped and felt abused, and it was traumatic for me and and it stayed with me. And even though I can't quite remember the specific moment that you referred to when you were when you said all that, I was like, oh, that makes total sense. And I could actually find the place in my point lookout house where it happened. I was like, it happened here, and I can kind of vaguely, you know, have a sense of it, but I couldn't I couldn't explicitly remember it, but it all made sense.

SPEAKER_02 12:56

And if you remember, even after that, there was other things in your life that made sense because of this. And that's what many people so the same way when I said I had PTSD and I started to remember, because the child forces itself to itself to forget just to be able to survive.

SPEAKER_01 13:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

And so the child does the right thing if they're forgetting. They can't deal with the memory.

SPEAKER_03 13:17

And you were you told me that then you went and had conversations with my child. Like while I'm lying on there, she's actually communicating with me as a little boy and explaining to him that he wasn't.

SPEAKER_02 13:32

So there's two things. The first thing is I see it, and you actually showed it to me as a picture as if I'm in the room. Yeah. So I saw it happening, I see it happening. Um, and that's why I'm so careful about talking about it, but because sometimes I need the second session to to see the picture more clearly. But then I clear out that feeling, that fear of being trapped and something uncomfortable and that you don't want happening. I clean that feeling from the child, not from you. I go to the origin point where it happened. And then sometimes I go back and I do give the child a do-over. And I can change what happened energetically. For example, in your case, I helped you get up and walk out of the room.

SPEAKER_03 14:15

I was I felt trapped in the situation, even though I wasn't necessarily being held down. I felt trapped in the situation. I felt you couldn't get up and go. Yeah, and you helped my young version of me see that he could get up and go. And he actually did get up and go and walk out. Actually got up and went. And you were saying that that experience in many ways was the root of really like the depression and anxiety that I've carried on.

SPEAKER_02 14:38

That started it. And you're right, the the story with your father contributed and other stories we went through. And that's what I realized. It's not one thing. Because uh sexual experience would close off the root. Yeah, and in many times, if there was a secret involved, which in your case you couldn't talk about it and no one knew about it, it closes off the stomach, the sacral chakra. But other stuff closed off your heart. So if a child's if the caregivers are not functioning and he's not receiving love, then the child says, I can't deal with this pain anymore. I'm gonna close my heart.

SPEAKER_03 15:08

Right.

SPEAKER_02 15:09

And that child is walking through the world with a closed heart.

SPEAKER_03 15:12

So it's like a domino effect. And when you say root, that's the root chakra and then the stomach chakra and then the heart chakra.

SPEAKER_02 15:17

So it's just so for another example is many children who were raised with parents, and you are actually an example of that, if I can go there. And now parents that didn't say, You're sweet, you're kind, I love you, you're special, you're unique, they don't develop a center. So there's a child walking around that could have had everything. They were wealthy, they were well fed, and they don't know who they are. And they're walking around the world and they don't know if they're good, if they're bad, if they're special. This happened to me too. And so they keep on looking in people's eyes. Compliment me, please. So I know I'm worth something. Right. And they live a whole life, and I did this and you do this. We live a whole life to prove to someone that we're worth something because no one feels that. So what I do in the work is first of all, and sometimes clean out because many children weren't told weren't only not told they were special, they were also told they were not special.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

Right.

SPEAKER_02 16:06

So you first have to clean that, and then I have to build them a center.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

Right.

SPEAKER_02 16:10

So they can feel for themselves, oh, I'm a good person, I'm special, I'm okay, I'm fine. Maybe I'm not the most beautiful and the most and the but I'm okay.

SPEAKER_03 16:18

So David's issue in life is his parents went around telling him how incredibly special he was and firstborn Jewish son. Yeah, and so he was it it set him up for like expectations of life that really, you know, kind of backfired on him. What do you do with that?

SPEAKER_02 16:36

Again, every everyone is different, but there's there's certain work. You see, by setting up, by making yourself too much, the child stops believing them.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

Right.

SPEAKER_02 16:46

So it says, Oh, they lying to me? Or are they so he th it actually creates trust issues. So that the trust issues have to be cleared. But it's always at the origin point when so sometimes I do a do-over for that child. I didn't do a do-over for you on some of the other stuff because you were older.

SPEAKER_01 17:01

Right.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

And if a child is older, I can explain to them your dad has a problem and he can't stop yelling, and he's frustrated. And it doesn't mean that he hates you, he loves you, but he's not functioning and and and he has too much on his plate. And a child at seven, eight, nine can get it. Right. But a child at three cannot understand why he's feeling uncomfortable and why people are doing stuff to him that he doesn't want.

SPEAKER_03 17:22

And then you also told me that in your work the prevalence of sexual abuse is extraordinarily high.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

And I'll explain why. You see, when it's it's so fucked up.

SPEAKER_03 17:36

Like it's so fucked up. It's so fucked up. I you're against sexual abuse.

SPEAKER_05 17:41

I now I am. Like I've it took a long time. It took a long time, but now I've come out against sexual abuse.

SPEAKER_02 17:47

But I feel I feel like David because it breaks my heart because we think of sexual abuse as rape.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:54

Or maybe a little bit touching.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Right.

SPEAKER_02 17:57

But actually anything having to do with discomfort around the concept of anything related can cause a problem. Which is your case. But so many cases. There's children being touched inappropriately. That can cause so many problems. And the child's like, but someone I had, you know how many uh people I've worked with, they're like, oh, but they just grazed my knee. I'm like, but you were four. Or you sat on someone's lap and you felt something and you couldn't get up because you didn't know what you were feeling, and so you felt trapped and you were terrified and you were helpless. That's as bad as being raped. There's no difference because something didn't go in. Yeah, there's no difference. So so many children are were in uncomfortable positions. I had a uh case about this woman that I was like, I'm like, at 11, I feel so much shame in your root. And it's because she developed early and she was being looked at. You you and so she her whole life gained tons of weight, covered herself with tons of weight, just so she's not looked at. And she's been alone her whole life because of that. Because at 11, guys were across, and older guys were just really stare.

SPEAKER_03 19:04

Yeah. And it made her feel shame. Shame. And so she covered it up.

SPEAKER_02 19:08

She covered it up. And she hasn't been in a relationship. She's in her sixties and she has had that, haven't had any relationships really. And that happens almost in every family. I see a case. And and many times, and I can speak about one of the things that breaks my heart is even the more protected communities like the Orthodox community, happens everywhere. A neighbor, a cousin, someone, and it's and you're and it happens under the parents' nose, a priest. It happens under the parents' nose in a place where there's no TV, there's no nothing, no one's more protected than these kids. And the parents are like, I he's 19 and he's not functioning. What is going on?

SPEAKER_03 19:44

Maybe in those environments also it's it's stifled more than ever because it would be so traumatic to talk about it or so uh upsetting to the status quo to even uh acknowledge it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:55

Do you do you find that like if you're working with someone for a solid week or two weeks or something like that, is most of the trauma that you're dealing with childhood trauma or or does it care bleed over into adulthood?

SPEAKER_02 20:07

Aaron Powell Okay. So I work at the origin point. Anything that happens in adulthood, there's rare cases, right? But almost everything that happens in adulthood was triggered first as a child. You very rarely is someone raped for the first time at 32. Something happened before. You're because there's a fascinating thing that happens in the spiritual world is that the soul wants to fix. And I always say God is a mathematician because everything is done in patterns. So if you went something through something as a child, you'll repeat it again and again and again and again until you fix it. So usually if someone went through a sexual assault, their life will show it multiple times, not once. They'll show a lot of bad patterns and a lot of bad behavior because of that. It's an obsessive need to fix, and you're almost stuck in your own loop.

SPEAKER_03 20:55

Or they're drawing these experiences to them uh unconsciously. They're drawing their experiences.

SPEAKER_02 21:00

No, but that's what I mean by the the troubled behavior. Troubled is probably better than bad behavior because they're drawing it because the soul wants to fix. And even worse, a third of my clientele is coming in with problems that are not from this world. Yeah. They didn't go through a sexual assault and assault in this world. They went in the past life.

SPEAKER_03 21:18

In a past life, when you say world, you mean another planet or maybe a human life?

SPEAKER_02 21:22

In a human life, and no no other planet. Right.

SPEAKER_03 21:25

We're bringing in traumas from pre- Of course.

SPEAKER_02 21:27

We walk in. And how do I know it? Because the person lays on the table the first time, my first two sessions are the diagnostics, and I'm going through and I check every chakra if it's closed, why is it closed, how much of it, what is the percentage closed? If something is fully closed, that means intense trauma. And I'm like, nothing happened to them in this life. This is not from me. I don't see the pictures. And then I'm like, okay, what's happening? And then I see the trauma in the past life. So within the first two sessions, if if it was not from here, if it was a past, I would see it. And then I have to heal both the past life. And the current life. And that's part of the work that I do too.

SPEAKER_03 22:03

Do you ever go back into the past life and talk to the person in the context of the past life?

SPEAKER_02 22:07

Yes, all the time. It's about a third of my work.

SPEAKER_03 22:09

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 22:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:10

That's cool.

SPEAKER_02 22:12

It's cool, it's horrifying, and I'll tell you why. The people that come in with past life trauma never stood a chance. I've had people on my table that when they realize that they may be 60 or 70, and they realized they didn't they came so shut down because of trauma they went through. They never stood a chance. And the realization of that is horrifying. But when it lifts, they go through the most change. Because it lifts like it never was. It's literally a different human being, a different being that is controlling them. And I detach that being because I heal that being and it detaches from them. And they wake up and they're like, I feel good, and I feel whole and I feel like I can feel. I had a client who's 70 years old and never felt anything, never felt. And for 30 years they tried to put her on drugs, and she says, I don't think it's chemical. I just don't feel anything. And it was never from here. Her childhood was okay.

SPEAKER_03 23:05

What was in her past life?

SPEAKER_02 23:07

Horrifying past life in the Holocaust.

SPEAKER_03 23:10

It's always the Holocaust. It's always the fucking Holocaust. I agree. It's not always the Holocaust. It isn't, but plenty of rust it is. A lot of Holocaust comes to you. A lot of Holocaust comes to you. Because in your Jewish roots.

SPEAKER_02 23:22

Probably, yeah. So um not everyone comes to me. The ones that come to me are mine, I say. I said this to you some, I think on the phone. I was like, if you're mine, you'll be on my table. Um but yeah, there's a lot of trauma that's coming in, and and there's something so incredible about healing them specifically. You see, if you think of time in the metaphysical, there's no time. That means all happening at the same time. That means your three-year-old sat adjacent to your six-year-old, sat adjacent to your seven-year-old, to your eight-year-old, to your twelve-year-old, to your eight years, they're all suffering at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

Right.

SPEAKER_02 23:55

As I'm healing the three-year-old, he's leaving. Uh-huh. And then I heal the eight-year-old. That's where we went through your timeline. And I had healed every line. And then it's just Jay at your current age. The same thing in the past life. The past life that is holding the body hostage is at the same timeline as the current life. Right. It may have happened on the past in our world.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

Right.

SPEAKER_02 24:17

But in the metaphysical, it's all happening at the same time. So the suffering is every minute, every day. When she said she can't feel, she can't feel at this moment, not because of something that happened a hundred years ago.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

Right.

SPEAKER_02 24:29

And so I it took me a minute to realize that I thought I was going back in time, but I'm not. I'm healing uh just a different time line. Adjacent timelines. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:37

Time is time works very funny in the spiritual world. So the suffering, it's almost like she's holding you hostage every second of every day. It's not a story in the past. And you feel that in the body. The pain in the body is like it happened a minute ago. Yeah. I work with a lot of kids that are under the age of five, and the parent comes to me and says, I didn't do this.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

Right.

SPEAKER_02 24:56

This child did not go through something, and something is really off. And I clear past lives for children. And I say to myself, so many parents are walking around feeling guilty about what they did and they didn't do it. And so many young adults that didn't get to me as children are walking around and having real big issues in life and they could have cleared it at three.

SPEAKER_03 25:17

What's going to happen when people hear about this and everyone wants to come come see you?

SPEAKER_02 25:22

You know, when gifts come down in this world, we see this even in the startup space. Many get it. We don't know how many shanas there are in this world and how many are about to come in. Right. But maybe if there if the the need for this work arises, more will come.

SPEAKER_05 25:38

Well, let me ask you this. I mean, what about teaching it?

SPEAKER_02 25:40

That's maybe the my next thing. Yeah. Teaching this work. Yeah. I don't know. I I I work for someone.

SPEAKER_01 25:46

Right.

SPEAKER_02 25:46

They tell me and that someone is God. And they tell me what to do when I'm not I'm very serious, actually. They tell me what to do when I work for them.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:54

One thing.

SPEAKER_03 25:55

I'm going to do that without the without the Tom and Jerry squeak. One thing. One thing where I find that sometimes I don't completely line up with what you're saying. So let's explore for a second. I I believe at the highest level, everything is perfect. If someone has come into this life with a trauma from a past life, they came here for the purpose of moving through it and maybe many other purposes as well. And there's kind of a perfection to that. And then they meet you and they clear it. And as, you know, sometimes you speak in a way that makes me think, oh, this terrible thing is happening, and thank God that, you know, they got to you and and all that. And on some level, yes, I get that. That's entirely true. But on another level, we're living the perfect life that we chose. Do you does that make sense to you? I love that question. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 26:49

I remember I have a client who went through my work and he wanted me to work on his kids. And he says, I'm really torn because my kids, they went through a very difficult divorce, and he said, Maybe it's their path to suffer through it. Not, you know, they chose this. So I'm gonna take a step back and actually explain what the soul does. The soul is so divine, has no concept of suffering, and sees so clearly on what she needs to do. And I just can I talked about the soul as female. She designs her life. I believe the whole concept of gaming was built in this world so we understand what the soul does.

SPEAKER_03 27:26

Gaming?

SPEAKER_02 27:26

Gaming, the gaming industry. The soul builds her life, sees this is gonna be my husband, this is gonna be my son, this is gonna be my father, because she knows exactly what she needs to fix with everyone.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

Right.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

She puts it in motion. Kabbala believes she sees it almost in video, everything that's gonna happen and signs off on it, and only then she's brought into this world. Except when she's brought in, she's brought in in a body that feels pain, that doesn't want to suffer.

SPEAKER_03 27:51

And then forgot.

SPEAKER_02 27:52

And forgets everything. Kabbalah believes that our the dent under our nose is where the angel that brings her touches her in order to forget everything. Because then she doesn't have choice if she remembers everything. She's like, Yes, of course I want to suffer. Of course I want to lose my legs. I didn't want them because I uh so I could be better. The soul chooses, literally goes shopping, according to the Kabbalists, for her hair color, her eye color, her height, everything.

SPEAKER_03 28:16

All the details in the life coming in because she's choosing details in order to help her. That will help her grow and expand as a soul.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

And and and fix what she needs to fix. There's we've been here for a minute, so she needs to fix things. That means when people say to me, Why is this being done to me? Why is God doing this? Why is the universe doing that? I'm like, they're not doing anything. You've done everything.

SPEAKER_01 28:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:37

Take ownership.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 28:38

So you're right, everything that is happening has to happen. So the question becomes: why six years ago was my life disrupted? My very good life disrupted and told you can't do that anymore. We need you. Why was I called to serve?

SPEAKER_03 28:52

Because it's time, right?

SPEAKER_02 28:53

No. Because we ran out of time. The new world came in and people weren't fixing. You see, I think the misconception and the miscalculation that happened on the spiritual world is because when they make the decisions of what they need to do, they have no body and no suffering. And when we get that body, we become little crybabies, and everything is so painful and so uncomfortable. And I'm talking about myself too. We don't want any pain. We don't want anything. We want this perfect glory. We want a husband now. We want money now. We don't want to work. They don't think they're here to work. They're like, I want the big house with the white picket fence, and I want to be comfortable and I want to be happy, which is fine. But they forget that some there's there's stuff that they need to do first. And we're running out of time because the new world is here. And so people have to move faster. So they came and they said, Shauna, we need your help. And they didn't only do it to me. It's not possible they only did it to me. That means many were called to serve to the front lines in sense we need help. This is not working. And that's why we're here to disrupt the timeline. That means so we can help people move faster so we can wake them up and clear their body. I'm clearing the body out of trauma. 90% is going through me. You're not even feeling everything you felt was 10% of what you actually was in your body. So I'm here to shortcut a process. And the only reason I'm here to shortcut a process is because there's no choice.

SPEAKER_03 30:16

I love what you just said. And and I think it's completely true. And at the same time, I think on a higher level, there's also the truth of now is the time, and you're here, and this is exactly. Yes, we're run out of time, it's a crisis. I get on that on some level, but I also think on some level, it's amazing and it's perfect, and it's wonderful that it got to a place where we needed God.

SPEAKER_02 30:42

I'm more catastrophic than he is.

SPEAKER_05 30:45

Well, he is also a little panacea about it, where like it's a little um like the way you view it occasionally seems to me like a religious salad, which is just like it's just it's just it's a way of like whatever happens, that's what God meant. But he's right also. You know, everything's perfect, everything's perfect.

SPEAKER_02 31:04

Everything is a hundred percent accurate. That's true too. There's no mistakes.

SPEAKER_03 31:07

Yeah. Um while while we're on the topic, David, what what do you take of all this? So, David, you know, as our skeptic here, what what uh how much of this can you take in?

SPEAKER_05 31:18

I can take in a lot of it. I mean, I absolutely a hundred percent believe that we store trauma in our body. A hundred percent. I 50% believe that our past lives influence that. That's pretty good, right? If I go halfway there, right?

SPEAKER_03 31:34

Do you think do you think Shauna is see has is being visited by spirits who are teaching her how to open the, unzip the body and and and fix all the chocolate.

SPEAKER_05 31:42

How can I judge it just sitting here? Like I should experience it. Like, would I feel it? Like, would you like like you once brought me to a energy healer, a guy Master High.

SPEAKER_03 31:53

Right.

SPEAKER_05 31:53

Remember? I don't know if he did me any good, right? But I 100% felt a physical sensation when he touched me, right? Coursing through my body. Do you know what I mean? Right. So, like, would I feel emotionally lighter after working with Shauna? Shauna, do you think it would be you because you did it? What exactly was your experience? Like, what did you take from it? Like, did when when she's clearing all this stuff out?

SPEAKER_03 32:18

Well, I'm I'm sending my wife to go see you, and I've told you that I'd like to send my children. So I obviously think that that what you're doing is of enormous value. My experience, I I'll talk about one moment when I was lying on your table where you know you you say this funny thing, which is like you say, I you're gonna have to learn to do this yourself because I can't be here to pummel you with energy every day of your life. And that is literally what I felt like you were doing. It was Shauna has the ability to direct energy in a way that you're just getting bombarded with so much energy. And it led to a point late in my process with you where I remember this one experience particularly where I don't know what you were doing, but but I became I became like this channel. I was like a channel, we're all, I believe, we're all channels for energy, for the divine energy into the world, and you know, on some level, and that's we share the energy with the world. But this channel that I am just expanded and expanded and expanded until it was like a river, and then it was a thousand rivers, and then it it was as wide as a galaxy. It was just be g it was so so vast, and so much energy was was just pushing and pulsating through me, which wasn't me, it was divine energy, and I was just this channel, but it was overwhelming, like wow, that I could just serve in that way and just have all this energy flowing through me. And I just that was a life-altering experience, just to be conscious of how much energy is out there, and if I allow it, the extent to which how important of a channel you are. Well, thank you. That's very no, but I think that was the message. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:12

Because not everyone feels that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:14

So that what did you take from it? Okay.

SPEAKER_05 34:18

Well, no, I'm like, I'm like, just tell me, like, you started here and then you worked for nine days, right? And like when you come out the other side.

SPEAKER_03 34:25

Actually, when I at some point I I was feeling great for a week, and then I kind of went into a little bit of a dark space. Like I had to do some other clearing, and we communicated, and you said, Oh, this is something on you, you've got to let go. You're being uh a little petty or selfish, or you're poor me. I got caught in like a poor me.

SPEAKER_05 34:43

That resonates.

SPEAKER_03 34:45

He goes there, yeah. Yeah. She was in Israel and she checked in with me. Because you can do all this remotely, also. She doesn't really have to do it in person, but it's more fun when in person. And then I did kind of move through that, and I have to say that I feel pretty great since her session. But I'd say it in this context, which is when we first spoke, the very first thing we talked about, we did a little Zoom conversation just to see if we wanted to, you know, do this, do a podcast and all that. And the very first things we talked about was this new world that's emerging. And uh how I was saying is like I'm beginning to see how this really this new world does exist. It can exist, it can happen now. It's not a dream. You know, and we kind of bonded on that. And uh to answer your question, uh I feel like the work that I did with you has really just only moved me further and further in that direction. And I feel like I'm stepping into a reality that is so far from the reality that I grew up in and really spent 55 years of my life in or more. And I think that your work has enormously contributed to that. But it's really not about oh, Sean is gonna save me. Yeah, it's really about who are you? What do you want to be?

SPEAKER_02 36:07

She can I lighten the load considerably. And in some cases, look, every person's a bit different. David uh Jay is a channel. I'm gonna go with Jay for this podcast. Jay is a channel and he has important work. Right. And uh the trauma that was sitting in his body, and not only the poor me, but all your trauma made you come out with poor me. Yeah, he forgot what's important and what's not. And I think that's where you saw the big change. Some people, the work that I help them do just gets them to a much better place in their own.

SPEAKER_04 36:38

Well, I think if you're letting go of trauma, yeah, that's a pretty that's a pretty big deal.

SPEAKER_02 36:43

Of course. It's not only personal, it's almost like so they can actually do their work better.

SPEAKER_03 36:49

Yeah. But it's important that there's not a hierarchy and it's not like one life is better than the other.

SPEAKER_02 36:53

On the contrary, um, unfortunately, I get a lot of people that are thinking about suicide. They've suffered a lot and they've tried everything. Kabbalah believes that each one of us is so critical. That's why suicide is considered the worst thing that you can possibly do. Because without every contributor, the whole cannot be reached. That means that everyone is equally critical. There's no hierarchy. If you have more money, if you're better looking, it's meaningless. But there is meaning to everyone who has a different job. So, in the same way in our life, I don't think the doctor is better than the gardener. I actually think they're both healing people in a way because potentially the gardener is making more people happy, right? Um, but that's his job and that's his job. The same way in the spiritual world, one isn't better, but sometimes one has more work to do.

SPEAKER_03 37:41

I think I told you this, but you know, guidance who I used to communicate with w would often say that I was actually better. Yeah, and more. All the time they would talk about no. Uh they would say that if you removed one person, one soul, one entity from all of creation, the entire thing would collapse.

SPEAKER_02 38:04

It's true. That's how Kabbalah believes.

SPEAKER_03 38:06

Yeah. There's there every everyone is critical.

SPEAKER_02 38:09

Everyone is critical.

SPEAKER_03 38:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:11

By the way, David is incredible. He has incredible abilities, just FYI. He has very interesting um energy.

SPEAKER_03 38:17

What what do you see?

SPEAKER_02 38:19

That's for him to hear from me directly.

SPEAKER_03 38:21

Okay. Uh, you can't tell us? David, would you give her permission to do that? No, it's not.

SPEAKER_02 38:26

There's something very unique in him, I have to tell you. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 38:29

No, but it'd be fascinating to the podcast audience to get just a little bit of this, and I think it would be uh helpful in expanding the message. Because people really enjoy David on the podcast.

SPEAKER_02 38:41

I don't think he's as a skeptic as he appears to be. And I think he's holding the damn really hard because he's worried about what happens if it falls. But actually, you see, you guys are very different in your personalities. You are much softer, you're more vulnerable, you're more emotional. He's much um much more grounded than you are. And there's a lot of stuff that he can bring into this world that you can't.

SPEAKER_03 39:13

Like complaining and annoying and flatellation or whatever. Let's make it a word if it's not.

SPEAKER_02 39:22

No, no, no. There's something out on your table. There's something in his demeanor, in his seriousness, in his weightiness, not heaviness, weightiness.

SPEAKER_03 39:30

There's a distinction there. All right, so we'll have after he does his sessions with you, we'll have you come back and we'll have a discussion about this if he if he's willing to talk about it, right? I'll be willing. Are you willing to do that? Uh, we'll do this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:47

I will say I'll end up in a fascinating note. I have learned that different souls came in for different levels of fixes, and some came in for an easier life.

SPEAKER_03 39:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:57

Some came in for hard, I came in for a very challenging life. Not everyone did.

SPEAKER_03 40:01

And yet it's incredible the work you do and the satisfaction I know you get from what you do. So stop complaining. No, I'm not complaining.

SPEAKER_02 40:10

I say to people, I came in kicking and screaming to this, and I'm not kidding. I was, and I'm grateful every single day. I love this with all my heart. And I and to help someone and to see transformation on that table. And I remember the session you're talking about. Like my hands were hurting. He was he was flying, and I'm like, this is painful.

SPEAKER_03 40:29

There's a lot. There was a lot of people. In a place where I just had to like let it happen because it was.

SPEAKER_02 40:36

Yes, and then we were both flying a little bit. But I'm definitely not complaining. I love every single moment of this, and I'm grateful.

SPEAKER_03 40:43

And I'm so grateful that you were here to share all this information with us. It was this has been just a fantastic morning. Thank you so much. I loved every minute. Made a dent on David Denton. Oh my god, God help us when this falls.

SPEAKER_05 41:03

The messenger is the messenger is amazing. Such a success. It's also even aside from that, I'm not even saying like, oh, you're a success in the real world, but you know, your your um just your your presence is very um, yeah, and you're well spoken and you're intelligent. Powerful.

SPEAKER_02 41:18

I'm happy to be the messenger. And I said to you also, I think it's the time for people to learn this and not necessarily be on my table. Yeah. I don't know how, and I like I really don't know how when I'm told I'll know. But it's time for this to come out.

SPEAKER_03 41:32

And that's why you're here on the podcast.

SPEAKER_02 41:34

That's why I'm here. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Thank you so much for being here. My pleasure. Thank you so much, guys.

SPEAKER_03 41:44

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