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S1 Ep18: A Major Crossroads Is Coming for Us All | Jonathan Ashford (Part Three)

• Jay Scherick • Season 1 • Episode 18

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Jonathan Ashford had a powerful near death experience (NDE) and he now believes a major crossroads is approaching for all of us.

We couldn’t let our conversation with Jonathan end without asking a few more questions. And in this brief addendum, Jonathan shares some powerful insights—and predictions—about what may lie ahead.

He explores the idea of a “new Earth,” the tension between love and fear, jumping timelines, free will, self-love, and the significant choices we may all soon face.

Jonathan Ashford 

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This episode was recorded July 18th, 2026.

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Let's just say there's a uh split in the road in the next 18 months, and you will have a choice to make. When the split finally happens, which side are you on?

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Are you speaking like to everyone or to Jay?

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Both. That's why I'm here. So I'm just here to wake people up to the love in which they are.

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This is exciting. He's scared to death.

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Set the scene on Broken Man.

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In the first two installments of this incredible conversation, Jonathan Ashford described how he died twice, was given extraordinary knowledge on the other side, and ultimately chose to return to Earth in order to help others during this critical time. We also learned how Elise Phipps was divinely guided into Jonathan's life, and is now using her own unique gifts to help support and broaden Jonathan's work. Towards the end of our session, we managed to sneak in a few questions for Jonathan. But I do want to have a little bit of a conversation about the questions that come up for people like me, for people like David when when you know this kind of information is available. And given the strong response to Jonathan's episodes, we didn't want to leave anything out. So a couple questions. People call it the new earth, the new world heaven on earth, the fifth dimension reality, and that how does that fit into what you understand and what you've been shown?

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I would say throw out all the definitions. Uh-huh. Understand that the new space is within you. So the space is your choice to recognize the love in which you are or not. Right. You could say you could turn it darker and say it's judgment day, but you're a judge and jury.

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Yeah, which what decision do you want to make? Which way do you want to go?

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Which way do you want to go? Right. The choice is here. Choice is literally right in front of you. You're watching it manifest in the world in a way. Pick a side.

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Yeah. And basically you're saying choose love or choose division.

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Pretty much. Right. Yeah. You could say the contrast to love would be fear or judgment or anger, right? All the human things. I'm familiar with those. Yeah. Yeah. So uh it's less about moving to a place and more about moving to a state.

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Aaron Powell So when people say the new earth is here right now, it is. It nothing changes on the outside. It's really just what choices we make on the inside.

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Aaron Powell Yeah, the whole idea of the new earth is it's something that replaces this that already exists. And I would say it doesn't get replaced. Right. I would say imagine something where you wake up one day and all you can remember is happy memories. So you don't know the world's burning. It was never burning for you. Right.

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Because you're seeing it from a different perspective. You're understanding it was all part of what was meant to be.

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And also the possibility that it's true.

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So the possibility that it's true. That it that it never was burning. Correct.

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So imagine a reality. Imagine you are infinite in an infinite number of realities, and there's a version of you right now that's living in the perfect world. Yeah. And you slip into that. Did you move to a new earth or just a different version of you?

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Right.

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Right? And then you look around and wait, there's no war? And you have no recollection of there being a war. None. Zero. The amnesia is there, and all you know is the mem happy memories of a life lived in love. And how do I jump to that version of that? It's a free will choice. To recognize the love in which you are.

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It's a free will. It's free will.

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That you are love itself manifest right now. Right now. You aren't your problems, you aren't your desires, you aren't the things you want to fix or change in the world. You are love manifested for this experience. When you start to recognize and remember that, you will start to see yourself change. And then you provide yourself with the opportunity to take a different fork in the road when it presents itself.

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Is that jumping timelines though? Is that what that is?

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People call it timelines, but I also know as I was shown on the other side, there's no such thing, which means all possibilities of everything, both past and future and present, are happening on the head of a pin right now. So where's what, right? Um, but the idea, our human explanation would be in lines, right? There's a line here and there's a line here, and we're going from one line to the other, and I'm like, oh, okay. Um, but it's more it's more understanding that you are infinite and you're not even you right now. You think you're singular, but you're infinite now. You're an infinite number of J's all over the place, you're just vessels. You are the awareness that resides in you right now. So where that awareness goes, that's who you are.

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And before you were talking about like this kind of this split, this great divide happening. It's not like those who let's say move towards fear, which is what you're saying, there's love and fear. Those who who cling on to the fear, it's not like they're going to get lost eternally. I mean, it's they're eventually everyone comes back into the one. Right.

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There's the possibility, as it was shown to me. So those that do cling to fear are also infinite and also have an infinite number of them, which means there is one or many that do not cling to fear. Okay. So you could say that those that cling to fear a version of them is stuck in something. Oh, stuck. Stuck in a reality that looks like it's burning, and the that version of them that doesn't cling to fear is now in a reality that isn't. Right. So just as there are two of you, one in that reality and one in this reality, which one do you want to be? I see. So your free will choice allows you. Uh let's just say there's a uh split in the road in the next 18 months. Okay? There's gonna be a split in the road.

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Are you just making that up or is this something you know that you've been told?

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Okay.

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Both. Let's just say there's a split in the road, and let's just say there's a split in the road in 18 months, within 18 months, and you will have a choice to make. And that choice is I recognize that I am a loving being or I recognize that I am not.

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And are you saying that that split in the road is personal to me or is about the world that we're living in?

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All of the above, but it starts with you. Okay. So you'll wake up one day, and maybe that fork in the road will be very obvious to you, and you'll be like, here's my opportunity to remember what I am. Right.

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Are you speaking like to everyone or to Jay?

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Specifically right now to Jay, but we'll talk about you in a minute.

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Like, will I wake up with something? Yeah.

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Yeah, it's um you could say it's the end of a cycle and the beginning of a new one. And with the end of the cycle, um, it was shown to me in many ways. Uh circles, it was also shown to me like a helix, like a uh DNA helix. Two things crossing over. But every time these things cross over, they split. Everything's a they don't glide, they split and they combine and then they tear. And we're at that point where they tear. So you have a choice, which side do you want to be on? Right. Your free will choice is I recognize I'm a loving being. Not every day, not all day, but I recognize that I am love and there's love in the world, and you're good. Then you'll have the other people who say, No, there's no love in the world, we need to fix everything, everything's burning to hell, and like what the hell's going on? And that's fear. They've you could say they've denied what they are consciously or unconsciously, which means that version of them is uh living in another reality. When the split finally happens, which side are you on? You know, it's it won't be completely obvious except to you.

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So but to be clear though, it sounds like what you're saying and tell me maybe this is too specific and maybe it doesn't live in this sort of specificity, but it sounds like you are saying that within 18 months there's a major fork in the road for humanity, they say. And that's gonna look one way for me, it's gonna look one way for David, and and we'll all see our own version of that fork. Correct. But we all are going to have the opportunity to choose a path within the next 18 months. Correct.

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That's why I'm here. So I'm just here to wake people up to the love in which they are.

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Aaron Ross Powell When did you get the message though about 18 months? Because that's a very specific timeline.

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Three years ago.

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Okay. And it was three years ago, it was uh uh seventy-eight months or whatever. It was a a lot many more months.

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And I was shown more in the desert this time. So it's here.

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This is exciting. Yeah.

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He's scared to death. He's psychic. He's fine.

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You're fine. What questions do you want to ask? I don't know. It's there's I have a million trillion questions.

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Do you believe his experience? Do you believe he died and had an experience of heaven and and and that he's got this message about 18 million?

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I absolutely believe that he believes everything he said.

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Everything.

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Right? So like I I get no sense of like liar or charlatan fake, anything like that. Can I say unequivocally that I believe he crossed over to another realm in death and met God? And No, I can't because I'm I'm clinging in fear to that to that to believing in something that may not be true.

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Yes.

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Do you know what I mean by that? Scared that he's gonna be scared of it. That I'm that I'm the idiot that believes something that can't be proven.

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The interesting thing is in my life review, the one thing that I was shown is everybody here has been given the proof that it exists. We just write it off. It's like we rationalize it. We're like, oh, that miraculous thing that happened, I survived that wreck. I don't know how. I was shown that nothing here is random. Like it's impossible for not even the piece of dust passing by your face, like nothing is random. Okay. So it's like if nothing is random and everything is planned in a way that you're here to experience, the movie's already been written, and you have a choice. The script, the the beginning, the middle, and the end have already been written. You're sitting in the movie theater watching the movie of your life, and you're either aware that you're watching the movie, or you're still screaming at the screen for a different ending. So it's the proof is there, it's most of the time it's the reflection that isn't there. Where's the reflection to see the proof? And in order to do that, you have to become the witness. In order to become the witness, you have to be aware that you're watching, you're not living it in real time. So you're actually, how many times have you lived this life? How many times have you repeated this exact one to be given the chance to find the proof? So maybe you'll live at a hundred more. But at some point's exhausting. Yeah, very much so, right? At some point you'll wake up and go, Oh, I'm just in the theater. There I go. I'm going into the basement, and the serial killer is in there. I wonder how this is gonna end, right? And you're eating the popcorn versus throwing the popcorn going, Don't go in there, don't go in there, right? You're just watching it play out, and we create our own suffering by trying to change the ending. Like, you can't. It's gonna happen the way it's gonna happen. Your choice is you're comfortable with it and you live through it a certain way, or you deny it and you fight it. You swim upstream, you try to change the current and you can't. It's too big, it's too powerful. Like all of this is manicured and catered, and it just happens far beyond what we believe we have control of. And as I was shown, we don't have A, B, C, or D choice of free will. We believe we have it. So we don't have it. We don't have it. Not in the way that you would think. In fact, if you go and eat a cheeseburger tonight, you were born eating it. You just believe you made the choice to eat it.

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But the choice comes in how you experience eating.

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Correct. It I love the cheeseburger and I'm grateful for it, or this sucked. I want a different one, right? So it's really comes down to the singular free will choice of I am love, I am grateful, I am experiencing, I'm aware, or I'm in denial all of it, and I thought I could make a better decision, and I hate myself for choosing the cheeseburger.

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Why is there so much resistance in me right now?

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Are you now you're you're listening to this and you're going to do it and you're getting like mad?

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Not mad. I'm I'm I'm migrating in resistance.

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So there's two parts of you. Um you're two halves of a ball. One half is the infinite self that has lived many lives that has gone on, will go on forever.

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And has awareness of everything.

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Has awareness, is love. You could say it's the adult in the room. And then the other half of you is three years old. Yeah. The other half is the part of us that thinks we have control over this, that thinks we know what we're doing. It's the half of us that's just drawing with crayons on the wall, going, look, I bought five cars and I have ten houses and I I live life a certain way. Right. We're really just drawing lines on a wall. So you will slip into one of those two parts of yourself every day, all day for the rest of your life. For example, you wake up in the morning, you feel very well rested, everything is wonderful, the sun is coming in, and you're just grateful for your next breath, you're connected. And then you get out of bed and you stub your toe on a piece of furniture and you curse it and say, I will make s'mores with your burning corpse. Right? So you've gone from the love to the human, which wants an outcome, and you flip between the two constantly your entire life. And your free will choice is I recognize which half I'm in and I choose it, or I choose to love the half I'm in. So the resistance you feel is the three-year-old self going, no, don't take me out of the driver's seat. Yeah. Because if you take me out of the driver's seat, who's driving? Right. Well, it's driving, and that's that piece that's missing from most people's lives, because honestly, religious trauma has destroyed a lot of those relationships with it. So you have to talk to it a certain way, it has to look a certain way, you have to say certain words, pray a certain way, right? And I'm telling you, it's your drinking buddy, your best friend, it's the person who is there when you're doing the bad thing. It's not what it's been defined for us to be. It's greater than that. You don't have to put it into a box. But when you relinquish that control, that's when things happen like this. I'm not in control of this, neither is she. This being you and Elise, I'm just saying for the purpose of people who want to hear it. It's like the things happen, the dominoes fall the way they're supposed to fall because we're not resisting them. We're not swimming against them.

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Aaron Powell But now if if if we're vacillating between these two, the three-year-old and the divine awareness, uh the solution is not to only become the divine awareness. It's to just be an acceptance of the fact that we're vacillating between the two.

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Aaron Powell I could say that one is a pure form of unconditional love and the other one is pure desire for outcome or thing, right? So when you recognize that there are times in your life where you are loving, when you slip out of love, you could say, I'm in love, I'm out of love. Then I slip back in love, out of love, in love, out of love. What most people don't recognize is when you're in love and you slip out of it, you have a free will choice to choose to love the thing that is not in love, which completes the circle, which means you are always in the state of love.

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You're always in love because you're loving the fact that you're not in the state of love.

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Correct, because the thing that has the desire, the three-year-old, if a three-year-old comes into your kitchen and wants to eat all the cookies, you don't give it all the cookies. You say, What's wrong? You love the three-year-old who walks into the kitchen. You're like, Come here, let me give you a hug. I'll give you a couple Oreos, but you can't have all of them. So you recognize it as the trigger for self-love. We in America, out of all the countries I've spoken with, we are by far the worst at self-love. We're always taught to be reaching outside of ourselves for something greater than us. Achieving. Yeah, always reaching instead of I love myself for wanting the Oreos today. And by doing so, I stay in a circle of love. I'm always in the state of love. As opposed to if I could just get all the Oreos, then I would feel love. Correct. And it wasn't love, because that's a condition. A condition is I get Oreos, I feel love, which is not love. Like unconditional love has no condition to be met, no exception.

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All right. So we just we just we only have a minute or two more. Can we fix David? I think he's fixed. He's perfect.

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I do feel perfect and fixed. No, I feel scared.

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The funny thing is he'll pass someday, go to the other side, and realize he's already made it a dozen times and chose to come back to be David for the rest of us. Yeah, right. Exactly. It's like we're always experiencing what we need to experience through each other. It's why it's like he doesn't need to be fixed. He's perfect the way he is because we get to experience what we get to experience through you.

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There'd be no podcast without him sitting there going, I don't know what I'm doing. All right. All right. Yeah. All right. Well, this has been absolutely incredible. I am I just I just had such a great time. Thank you for having us talking about this. And David, you're all right? Yeah, this is a lot to process.

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Yeah. I mean, because you're very comp you're very compelling. Um so you know, it's it's it's difficult to shut you out. He wants to shut you out.

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