Soul to Soul with Dr. Lisa Carter-Bawa
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Soul to Soul is a weekly podcast hosted by Lisa Carter-Bawa, PhD, MPH, APRN, ANP-C, FAAN, a researcher, leader, and advocate who has spent her career at the intersection of health equity, communication, and human behavior. Each episode is an invitation to slow down, reflect, and reconnect with the parts of yourself that institutions and expectations have tried to edit out.
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What Nobody Tells You About Getting What You Wanted
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There is a thing nobody tells you about getting what you wanted. The flatness that arrives the morning after. The strange quiet hum of an interior question that the promotion, the credential, the title, the milestone was supposed to answer — and somehow didn't.
Most people, when they feel it, look away. They start chasing the next thing, hoping it will be bigger, brighter, more decisive. It won't be.
This episode is for anyone who has worked toward something for years, arrived, and felt the strange flatness. It is not a sign that you got the wrong thing. It is a sign that you were taught to expect the wrong thing from arrival. There is a gift hidden in the flatness — and a different kind of life waiting on the other side of noticing it.
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Not role to role. Soul to soul.
You're listening to Soul to Soul with Lisa Carter Boba, where science meets soul. I got something I had wanted for a long time. I will not tell you exactly what it was because the specifics don't really matter, and they would only invite you to compare. But it was something I had worked toward for years, something I had pictured, something that when it came was supposed to feel like a rival. And here's the part nobody tells you. When it came, it felt flat. Not bad, not disappointing in any dramatic way. Just flat. Like the volume on the moment had been turned down. I kept waiting for the music to swell. And it didn't. I'm Dr. Lisa Carter Boa, and this is Soul to Soul. And today I want to talk about the thing almost nobody admits to out loud. The strange, quiet flatness that arrives after arrival. What it means, what it doesn't mean, and the gift hidden inside it if you're willing to stop running from it long enough to see. Here's the lie we're sold, and we're all sold it. We're sold it by movies, by graduation speeches, by the people who got there before us and don't tell the truth about what they found when they arrived. The lie is this that there is a thing, a role, a title, a recognition, a relationship, a milestone, a number in a bank account, that when you get it, will resolve the interior question. The interior question, the quiet one, the one that runs underneath everything. Am I enough yet? Have I done it yet? Will I finally be able to rest? We are told that when the thing arrives, the question goes quiet. That is the contract. That is the deal we sign with ourselves when we start working toward it. And then that thing arrives, and the question is still there. I want to be careful here because this is the place where this conversation usually goes wrong. People hear what I just said and they think I'm saying the thing was bad, or that the work was wasted, or that ambition is a trap and we should all give up wanting things. That is not what I am saying. The thing was not bad, the work was not wasted, the wanting was not foolish. The thing I got was a real thing, and getting it was a real thing, and I am genuinely grateful for it. But the lie I had been told, the lie that getting it would answer the question, that lie was exposed. And the moment it was exposed, I had a choice. I could pretend it hadn't been exposed and start looking for the next thing that would supposedly answer the question, or I could sit down inside the exposure and ask what it was actually telling me. Most of us choose the first one. I almost did. Here's what I want you to hear, and I want you to hear it slowly. The flatness is not a failure of the thing. The flatness is information. It is your interior life telling you the truth about a contract you signed without reading. The contract said, get this and you will be okay. And the moment the thing arrives, your interior life walks up to you and says very quietly, that contract was never going to deliver what you thought it would. No external thing was. That was never how this worked. And in that moment, you have two options. Option one, you decide the contract was right. The thing just wasn't big enough. You need a bigger thing, a better title, a higher salary, a more prestigious recognition, a more impressive marriage, a more accomplished child. You go looking for the next thing that will finally, finally answer the interior question. Or option two, you sit down with the flatness and you let it teach you. You let it tell you that the question, the one running underneath everything, was never going to be answered externally. Not because something is wrong with you, because that is not what external things are for. The flatness after arrival is not a sign that you got the wrong thing. It is a sign that you were taught to expect the wrong thing from arrival. I want to say that again. The flatness is not a sign that you got the wrong thing. It is a sign that you were taught to expect the wrong thing from arrival. Arrival was never supposed to answer the interior question, that inside question you have. Arrival is just arrival. It is the completion of a particular project. It is a place you stand for a moment before you take the next step. It is real and it is good and it deserves to be celebrated. But it was never going to do the work the lie said it would do. The inside question, that interior question, am I enough? Have I done it? Will I finally rest? That question is not answered by a rival. It is answered by a completely different kind of work. Slower work, quieter work, the kind of work nobody promotes you for and nobody throws a party for. The work of becoming the person who doesn't need the next thing in order to be okay. That work is not flashy. It does not photograph well, it will not show up on your CV, but is the only work that actually does what we were told a rival would do. I want to say something to the person listening to this in the car, or on a walk, or in a quiet kitchen at the end of a long day. If you've been carrying a private suspicion that the thing you worked for didn't feel the way it was supposed to feel, that the promotion didn't fix the loneliness, that the credential didn't fix the imposter feeling, that the relationship didn't fix the part of you that thought a relationship would fix, that the recognition didn't fix the quiet doubt. I want you to hear this. You are not ungrateful, you are not broken, you are not failing at arrival. You're noticing something true, something almost nobody in your life will admit to noticing, something that, if you let it teach you, will change the trajectory of the rest of your life. Because here's what happens to the people who don't let the flatness teach them. They spend the next 20 years chasing the next thing, and the next thing, and the next thing, each one a little bigger than the last, each one promising that it will be the one that finally answers the question. None of them ever does. And at some point, usually somewhere in their 50s or 60s, they look up and realize they have spent their whole life running toward an answer that was never going to come from where they were looking. That is not the life I want for you. And I suspect if you're listening to this, it's not the life you want for yourself. So here's the gift hidden inside the flatness. Here's the hidden gem nobody tells you about. The flatness is your invitation to stop running, to put down the contract you've signed with yourself without reading, to stop expecting external things to do interior work, to turn around and walk back toward the part of yourself that has been waiting very patiently for you to come home. The flatness is not the end of wanting. It is the beginning of wanting more honestly. You can still want things, I still want things. There's nothing wrong with wanting. But you can want them without believing they're going to do work they were never designed to do. You can pursue the next thing without making it carry the weight of the inside question. You can celebrate arrival as arrival, not as resolution. And the strangest thing happens when you do this. When you stop demanding that external things answer inside questions, the external things actually start to feel better. The arrivals start to feel more real. The wins start to feel more like winds instead of feeling like the next step in a chase you can never quite finish. Because you're no longer asking them to be something they were never going to be. I want to leave you with one practice. It is small and it's not flashy, but if you do it honestly, it will start to change things. The next time you arrive at something, and you will, because life is full of small arrivals as well as big ones, pay attention to what happens in the 24 hours after. Not the moment after, not the moment itself. The day after. Do you feel resolved or do you feel a quiet hum of the interior question still running underneath? Be honest with yourself. The honesty is the practice. If you feel the hum, do not look away from it. Do not run toward the next thing. Sit down inside it. Let it tell you what it has been trying to tell you. Ask yourself the question it is pointing toward, not the surface question, the one underneath. What part of me was hoping this would finally do the thing? What was I asking it to fix? What does that part of me actually need that no external arrival could ever provide? Those questions are the door. Walk through them. They lead somewhere real. If this episode landed somewhere true for you, I want to ask you for one small thing. Share it with one person, just one. Someone you suspect has been carrying a quiet flatness of their own and doesn't have language for it yet. You don't need to explain it. Just send them the link and say, this made me think of you. That is how this kind of conversation spreads. One person, one quiet kitchen, one car ride at a time. And if you haven't yet, come find me on Substack. The Monday essays are where I sit with these ideas in writing, and the community there is full of people who are doing the slow, quiet work of coming home to themselves. The link is in the show notes. This is the work, not the arrival, the work. Until next Monday, and as always, soul to soul. Lisa,