Ep 16: Wait are We Normal or Abnormal?

We share a small convenience store moment that turns into a big lesson about emotional safety and why we don’t need to copy anyone else’s relationship rules. We land on a simple hot take: the healthiest marriage habits are the ones that work for the two of you, even if they look weird to everyone else.
• choosing a meeting spot in public to feel safe and stay connected 
• noticing how quickly comparison can make us question our marriage 
• redefining “normal” as what supports both partners 
• examples of couple routines that vary widely and still work 
• turning curiosity into growth instead of judgment 
• using a “normal or abnormal” game to learn about other couples 
• why we go to appointments together and how it reduces stress 
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Transcript

Welcome And What We Share

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Hey everyone, welcome to Marriage Hot Takes, the podcast where we have honest conversations about marriage while it's still hot.

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We're Erin and Kim, and we're so glad you're here.

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This isn't about being perfect, having it all together, or pretending marriage is easy.

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It's about real life, real love, real struggles, real growth, and learning how to choose each other every single day.

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We'll talk about communication, conflict, faith, intimacy, expectations, and everything in between.

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So whether your marriage is in a great season or a hard one, you're not alone.

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Let's get into today's hot take. Welcome back to Marriage Hot Takes. Thank you for taking a little time to join us. We are your host Aaron and Kim Degler. We're so glad you joined us today. Each week, we just like to come to you, share a little bit of our experiences, a little bit of our successes and failures over our last 22 years of marriage. Um, not all great. Um, some good, some not so good. Um, and we are always constantly working on it. So as we do that, as we work on it, we just want to share some of those things with you each week. Um, some insights that we gain and share some of those. And nothing is ever scripted. Uh, we just pretty much have a topic that we're going to talk about, and we like to leave you each week with a hot take, basically something you can take into your relationship, into your marriage, um, and start a conversation to uh grow your marriage and make it stronger. So, again, thank you for joining us today, and we'll kind of get into it.

The Restroom Plan Epiphany

SPEAKER_00 1:34

So, um a few weeks ago we took a trip, uh a little getaway for a weekend, and I think we're coming back from our trip. Um, and we went into a convenience store to use the restroom, and as we walked in the door, uh the restrooms were on either side of the convenience store. Yes. Most of the times, um, because we're creatures of habit, so we go to a lot of the same places, so we know where to stop and all that. And so a lot of the places we stop, those restrooms are together next to each other. So we go in and we'll say, I'll meet you right here, and we'll come out.

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Unless we go to the trucker side.

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Unless sometimes you know we get confused. Yes. We we have been gone to a trucker side and we're like, This wow, they got showers and water.

SPEAKER_02 2:17

Look at that recliner.

SPEAKER_00 2:19

It turns out we were in the wrong part of the truck stop. Um, so we stopped and and and she went to the restroom and I said, Well, I'll wait right here for you. And then when you get done, we made a plan. Um, you can walk over with me and and you can wait on me. And so she said, Okay. So I waited on her, and then we walked over to the men's to the other side of the store, and I went to the men's restroom and came out, and you had uh almost an epiphany. And it was. And if you don't know what epiphany is, a profound thought that you've never had before.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

It was very profound.

SPEAKER_02 2:54

I had sat there while he was in the restroom watching people come in that door, and they would be like husband and wife or couples or you know, whatever. And they would just come in and go their separate ways. And they it wasn't like they stood there for a second, like, oh, the restrooms are here and here. Okay, I'm gonna meet you here. They just came in a willy-nilly. He went in there and she took off. I don't know if she'd go into the restroom or go buy her snacks, but they did not have a plan for when he came. Because how is he gonna know if she got taken? Because this is the safe place.

SPEAKER_00 3:32

This is the meeting place.

SPEAKER_02 3:33

Yes. And I couple after couple, I just kept watching, like, okay, they will make a plan. No, and I was I felt like I was looking out for them, like trying to keep track of where everybody was because somebody could get taught, could could got taken. Yes, those are the words. So when you came out, I was like, did you know that people don't make a plan? That they just come in and do their thing. They don't need a meeting place.

SPEAKER_01 4:04

And you said yes, yes, that's what people do. I was aware of this fact. I was not. Everybody had a plan.

SPEAKER_00 4:15

So so then we had the so then after we got, I think, our snack.

SPEAKER_02 4:21

Um No, we didn't get a snack, we just had to get a we had to get a fork for the potato salad.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

We had food in our car, we had to get a fork. We had a picnic. So so then we had a conversation about are we not normal?

SPEAKER_02 4:35

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 4:35

Are we abnormal? Because we have a meeting place and we'll set up. I mean, we'll say, I'll meet you here, I'll meet you there. Um and I might have said that yes, I think we're abnormal.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

Yes, you did say that.

SPEAKER_00 4:52

Because I said most people can go in a convenience store and find out.

SPEAKER_02 4:58

I think what he was saying was, yes, you are abnormal.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

And we're not talking about like a Bucky's in Texas. We're talking about like a little small convenience store. Like I could I can see the restroom from the other restroom. I can look across and see and see if it when she comes out. And so, and so then she said, Well, is is that because of me? And I said, Well, yes.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

Because I thought we've done it this whole time because both of us needed to feel like, okay, let's be safe. Here we go.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

I told her, I said, if we went to separate restrooms and didn't wait on each other, I would find you.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

I don't know how.

SPEAKER_00 5:43

And so, and she said, and I said, I just do it because I know that that makes that gives you comfort for me to be there waiting.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 5:55

So we so I know that you need a plan going in. So we go in, and we I mean, literally, um, we may go in if like the restrooms may be together, we may split off, go the men's and women's, and before we do, there might be a um a uh uh Red Bull display right there in front of it, and I'll say we're gonna meet right here in front of the Red Bulls.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

Yes. And that way I know where to find you.

SPEAKER_00 6:20

And then if I'm looking at some knives with names on it, and I'm just a little bit over, you start to get worried.

SPEAKER_02 6:28

Because you were behind the you were behind the display thing, and I came out and I wasn't there. You were gone.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

And so you started to panic.

SPEAKER_02 6:38

Yes, and then as I got ready to scour the store, I see your shoes and like uh oh, he's just looking at snipes, but that's not where we were gonna be.

SPEAKER_00 6:50

Right. That that wasn't the predetermined meeting safe place.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

I thought you had gotten taken.

SPEAKER_00 6:56

Yes.

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And then I had had to plan how we're gonna how it's gonna go about the rest of it.

SPEAKER_00 7:01

Because again, as we've talked about, her mind uh automatically goes to worst case scenario.

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Yes.

SPEAKER_00 7:07

Um, all kinds of things. Um, so for us, um, and so kind of what we wanted to share, Dave, is what is normal, what's abnormal.

Normal For Us Versus Others

SPEAKER_02 7:17

Right. And do you know if if you're normal or you're abnormal?

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And how do you determine that?

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And is that okay?

SPEAKER_00 7:28

So so for you, you you uh kind of automatically assumed that we were abnormal, that we weren't normal. Once you saw everything once I realized yeah, once you realized numerous couple couples were coming in and they were going separate directions without having first having a conversation about it, having a huddle about it, then you start then you asked, are we not normal?

SPEAKER_02 7:51

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 7:52

And my response was you probably don't remember, it well that's normal for us.

SPEAKER_02 7:59

Yes, it's normal for us. We're normal for us.

SPEAKER_00 8:02

For us. And so does it does it mean that we're abnormal? I don't think so. It just means that's what's normal for us. So so I think we have to understand what is normal for our relationship, our marriage, versus others. Because I think sometimes we feel abnormal when we're not doing what others are doing.

SPEAKER_02 8:34

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_00 8:37

Um now, do I think there's some um uh moral beliefs, religious beliefs, things that go behind those things? Yes, definitely. Um but when it comes to things just like where we're gonna meet up after the bathroom, um, you know, that kind of thing is really up to you as a couple. Yeah. As a married couple, is it if you decide to have a safe place or not? Right. Is that normal or abnormal? And it and it has to be what's normal to you. Is it normal or abnormal to eat at the table or eat watching TV? Is it um normal or abnormal if when you go somewhere the man drives or the woman drives?

SPEAKER_02 9:24

Right.

SPEAKER_00 9:25

Because we have friends. I drive everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 9:27

Everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

Anytime you're not together, we can't. You're the driver. Um, unless I need a nap.

SPEAKER_02 9:32

Then I'll say you're looking a little tired. I'm gonna I'm gonna drive.

SPEAKER_00 9:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:36

It's that way you can rest.

SPEAKER_00 9:37

And then we have friends that that she drives all the time. Yes when they're together. And that's uh and and we might look and go, well, that's kind of weird. What in the world? Oh, that's weird. But that's what works for them. Yes, and that's what's normal. Um, and I think those are the things that we have to um because your immediate thought was we were weird. We're absent.

SPEAKER_02 9:56

There's something wrong with us.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

And for me, I was like, no, that I know that makes you feel safe.

SPEAKER_02 10:02

Yes.

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And and so sometimes it's in those things we do in our our marriages, is it normal because we're looking out for the other person, or the other person's looking out for us, right? Um so that's the way we do things um because we care and love each other, or that's just the way we enjoy to do it.

Social Media Norms And Comparison

SPEAKER_00 10:24

Um and because I think, especially now in a social media driven age, that we question how we do things a lot.

SPEAKER_02 10:36

Yeah, right, because it's put out there so often what the norm looks like or the best, the you know what's that called?

SPEAKER_00 10:48

Highlight real?

SPEAKER_02 10:49

Yeah, the highlight real you see that so but I've never seen I've never seen people put it out there about their meeting place at the bathroom. Well, practically they thought it was so insignificant that but either way, I'm just saying that yes, in the world that we live in, you're you're given society norms all the time or extraordinaires, extraordinary somethings. The words are hard today.

SPEAKER_00 11:20

So but then I think we always have to question that.

SPEAKER_02 11:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

So are we normal? Are we abnormal? And if we see somebody doing something and we go, wait, are we abnormal? Maybe it's also an opportunity for growth. So maybe it's being um thinking about it and say, could that fit us? Is that something we should do better or do different? Um, for us, we know we're not gonna just split off and go separate ways at a convenience store. Yeah, we're not doing that. Because that just doesn't work for us.

SPEAKER_02 11:52

No. Um doesn't work or any store.

SPEAKER_00 11:54

Yes, or any store. Yeah, any store. It's not just convenience store, it's any store. But I think it's still an opportunity to always question because how do we improve? Because we may do something different, and then we see that and go, Well, am I normal? They abnormal, but if they're abnormal and I feel normal, is their abnormal thing something that might work even better for me or for us?

SPEAKER_02 12:17

Yeah.

Quirky Habits That Keep You Close

SPEAKER_02 12:19

I think that that could be a fun game with couples. Like you just write down some abnormal thing that you do as a couple and like hold it up, and then you'd be like, Is that normal or abnormal?

SPEAKER_00 12:30

So what else would are I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 12:32

I don't I was trying to think of that. I don't some of the I don't know what other things that people would think were normal. So normal for us.

SPEAKER_00 12:39

Like going to bed at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 12:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:41

Is that normal or abnormal?

SPEAKER_02 12:43

Yeah. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 12:45

Having separate blankets that that you sleep under. Is that normal or abnormal?

SPEAKER_02 12:51

Well, and you know, we have friends that have separate blankets, like this. That's all they they're not connected. No, like under a sheet, like we, yes, like we get under the sheets. There's another one. Do you have a top sheet? Yeah. Some people don't.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

Weird, and they don't have top sheets.

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But like we have, we sleep under a sheet and the comforter, and we each have our own blanket.

SPEAKER_00 13:14

Yes.

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To snuggle up.

SPEAKER_00 13:17

That's right.

SPEAKER_02 13:17

And then when we have our one of our grandson, we have one grandson that sleeps with us when he comes, and he has his own blanket to be on top of him. So we have three little blankets, so we can all be like this on top of our blankets. So I mean, I guess there are other things that are abnormal or normal.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

Yeah, like when our friends told us that they they were under um, like they had separate blankets, like they were like didn't touch.

SPEAKER_02 13:44

Yeah. Or that they don't touch people, some people like have a king-sized bed and never want to like they need all the room to spread out.

SPEAKER_00 13:53

And we and we're always like, what?

SPEAKER_02 13:55

We at a hotel room. And when we get a king-sized bed at a hotel room, we don't like it. Because we lose each other all night long, can't find you.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

And I mean, I just I think I told you this week I saw uh there was a thing on the Today Show, and they were playing this is this right or wrong or whatever. Normal or abnormal. Normal, abnormal saying uh Matthew McConaughey said one of the key the secrets to a to a happy marriage is a queen size bed.

SPEAKER_02 14:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

And that's what we got. Not because of him. No, not because we've always had a queen size. It's always what we've had. But but but you're further away. I mean, you get at one of those California kings and you're in another state.

SPEAKER_02 14:31

Yeah, you are, you in another room.

SPEAKER_00 14:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:34

So who knows? Yeah. So we like to, I like to, I like to be touching you at night. I need to know you're right there. But some people don't want to touch, they get hot.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

Yeah. And so so is it abnormal? Is it normal? That is a fun game.

SPEAKER_02 14:48

That is a fun game.

SPEAKER_00 14:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:50

That's a fun time. Who wants to come join us for that?

SPEAKER_00 14:52

For normal, abnormal.

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See you Thursday night at six.

SPEAKER_00 14:55

Can can uh let out your secrets or not and go, you're weird.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

You weirdo.

SPEAKER_00 14:59

Yeah. Um but again, as as much as it's sometimes when we hear those things, we'll go, well, that's odd. Like how, but that but they seemed really happy about that, whether it's a king bed or it's anybody you talk to is very happy in that situation. Yes, yeah. And go, well, that that that works for us.

SPEAKER_02 15:18

Yeah. Um and sitting close together at night.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

Yeah. You know? And so and some people want to be totally separated. Or in other rooms. Or in other rooms.

SPEAKER_02 15:29

You watch your shows. Like that there you go. Do you watch the same shows? Do you have certain shows you watch together and certain shows you don't?

SPEAKER_00 15:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:38

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

Because we watch the same shows.

SPEAKER_00 15:43

And there's some shows that you know I don't like, but I won't watch, you'll watch.

SPEAKER_02 15:46

Right. But and then there are some shows that you like for me to start again and watch again because they're good napping shows for you on a weekend.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 15:53

Yeah. You like to nap during Gilmore Girls.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

Yes. Yeah, I'll nap during Gilmore Girls. But I don't mind it being on, but I can sure take a nap with it.

SPEAKER_02 16:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

Um, yeah, so I just think sometimes we go, wait, am I not normal? Yeah. And I think it's fun to find things out about other couples.

SPEAKER_02 16:13

Like and be quirky. Have your own things to be like, this is what we do. We we have a plan going into the restroom where we're gonna meet.

SPEAKER_00 16:21

And I mean, we'll tell people. I mean, we just told the world, but the whole world. We do have a plan. Um and anywhere, I mean, even if we're in a a department store in Target and Walmart, you you still have to have me within sight.

SPEAKER_02 16:35

Yes. Like if you're gonna go on the next aisle, I'm gonna be like, you're gonna be right there.

SPEAKER_00 16:39

And and I and I can't deviate. If I tell you I'm gonna be one aisle over, I can't go, I can't squirrel off and go look two aisles over because I'll find you back huddled in a corn in a Right.

SPEAKER_02 16:50

And I think that we did talk about that this weekend was that's that's not a funny joke to me.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

Right.

SPEAKER_02 16:55

You know, that's it's not funny to think, well, watch this, and um, you know, because I I will panic quickly. Then the whole store will know.

SPEAKER_00 17:05

Yes, he'll be on the loudspeaker.

SPEAKER_02 17:08

He has a black shirt and cargo pants. Not pants, shorts.

SPEAKER_00 17:12

Shorts.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

Um but you know, this has nothing to do with that. But I was thinking as I needed to be, as you were talking about this story, and I was thinking about why am I like that to where I have to know where you're at and I need to be close. And I just it popped in my mind that when I was little and I would go to the grocery store or Walmart, whatever, with my mom, I would walk like a step behind her and I would have my hand in her back pocket. Now, how irritating would that be as the mom? Could you imagine for your daughter to have her hand in your back pocket so she could stay right with you? But that's how I went through every store with her when I was young.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

I think I remember our youngest always had to have her hand on the cart.

SPEAKER_02 17:57

Yes, yes, and and you wonder so irritated with it.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

Yes, that was just the cart.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

And could you imagine if she had had to have her hand in my back pocket? And but the I had to, and now I think about how I am now, and I'll say to you, I wish that you would put me in your pocket today and carry me with you. Yes. I just I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

Is that normal or abnormal?

SPEAKER_02 18:19

Yeah, it's I think I had all the abnormals.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

Who else wants to be put in their spouse's pocket and be carried around all day? I mean, uh I can have a flat chem.

SPEAKER_02 18:29

It would be the best.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

And put it in my pocket and just see out of my pocket see a little flat chem sticking up.

SPEAKER_02 18:34

It would make me so happy. Just take me out every once in a while and pet me. Fix my hair if it's a messy.

SPEAKER_00 18:42

Take a selfie with you.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

Um so so maybe maybe you just try that fun game.

Turn It Into A Couples Game

SPEAKER_00 18:50

I know we have a hot take for today, but maybe that challenge is before the hot take is is maybe play are we normal? And maybe get some friends together.

SPEAKER_02 18:56

I was just thinking we we have two marriage groups.

SPEAKER_00 18:59

Yes, I'm thinking we need to have a normal, abnormal. And and before you come, you make up we're planning out why you can take the well.

SPEAKER_02 19:06

You go ahead and write some of the some of the things that you do. The silly thing. The silly things that you do together, not separately, but together, and you come prepared, and then you just hold it up and we all everybody votes.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 19:20

And the the look in everyone's eyes to go, what?

SPEAKER_00 19:24

And then then they explain whatever it is that they yeah, and why they that's a funny thing. That'd be a great way to know everybody's and maybe just because of us because we don't mind. It doesn't bother us.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

Everybody else would be like this.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

No, we're not doing that. Nobody would show up that day.

SPEAKER_01 19:39

Yeah, no, that sounds fun.

SPEAKER_00 19:41

I think we'll do that. Yeah. Look out. Look out coming soon. Abnormal or normal.

SPEAKER_02 19:48

How fun. Uh so you'll have to think of some more that we do. Yeah. I don't know what all uh those are good ones that you've said.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

So yeah, the more the more we think about it, I'm I'm sure we we do a lot of silly things that we know over normal, abnormal.

SPEAKER_02 20:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:08

But um, you have a hot take. Um I do that we I mean the hot take is they'll probably take this game now and and have fun with their friends, but there's a bigger hot take to this.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

Oop. I erased it. No, I'm just kidding. Today's hot take.

The Hot Take Plus Doctor Visits

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There is no normal in marriage, there's only what works for the two of you. And having a safe place in a public convenience store is not only normal, but it's safe.

SPEAKER_00 20:37

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

Everyone needs one.

SPEAKER_00 20:41

And as you're just thinking about that, I was thinking about uh we'll get back to that hot take, but I just had another idea. Usually we end after the hot tag, but like when you went to see your doctor.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

To normal or abnormal. Wait, let's tell this story. To the female doctor.

SPEAKER_00 20:57

To the female doctor.

SPEAKER_02 20:58

The female doctor My husband goes back with me every time I go to the I don't go to the doctor often, but I've recently in the last year started seeing a doctor for my hormones. And I get real confused about things. So I wanted him to go back with me. And he we've not been to a single appointment that we both get up and we both go and they go, let me get an extra chair in here. And I know they probably don't see that often, and I know that they are like, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

But and and we kind of think it's normal because that's kind of what we always do.

SPEAKER_02 21:30

But no one, no other husbands were there.

SPEAKER_00 21:31

No, but then yeah, and then I hear all the things she's saying. I'm thinking, I don't think I should be hearing all this stuff. I don't think this is meant for a guy to hear.

SPEAKER_02 21:38

But I need you to hear it because I don't know what she's saying.

SPEAKER_00 21:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 21:42

I can't.

SPEAKER_00 21:43

And so we go, and then you talk to friends and they go, No, I go back by myself.

SPEAKER_02 21:47

I think how do you keep all that information in? You need two people to hear it.

SPEAKER_00 21:51

Yeah. So we always think, is that normal or abnormal?

SPEAKER_02 21:54

And two, you know, I'm not gonna I won't say all the things. If she's gonna say, How are you doing? I'm good.

SPEAKER_00 22:01

And and then sometimes I think, oh, she's thinking, wow, he is really controlling.

SPEAKER_02 22:05

Yeah, because you're like, honey, tell her the real story.

SPEAKER_01 22:10

Well because I would rather just be like, it's all good.

SPEAKER_00 22:15

Yeah, it's all good. So what do you need? I don't really know. I just need something to do today.

SPEAKER_02 22:20

Oh, I thought I just came and you told me. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 22:23

Here we are. And and that's how it goes.

SPEAKER_02 22:25

And then I'd leave there and you'd go, Well, what'd she say? I don't know. She said a bunch of words. So she said I needed about 12 medicines, and I told her no. So so we need And and I do tell doctors that too. So that is another reason why you go in. Because you know I'm gonna say, Nope, not doing that.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

Yeah. So I have to then kind of explain in a in a way that that you hear it.

SPEAKER_02 22:51

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 22:52

Um, so it's you know, and and that and is that normal or abnormal?

SPEAKER_02 22:55

Yeah, I think that's probably a big abnormal.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

But for us, it's normal.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

It is normal. And because that because what's what was the hot take again? Because it would super stress me out if I had to do that by myself. Yes. There is no normal in marriage, there's only what works for the two of you, and that works for and that works for for us.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

And and that's really important. Um what is the normal that works for you and your spouse? Um, and that's something that sometimes it takes some time to learn. We've had to learn it takes some years to learn. Yeah, and like I said, we've been married 22 years, so it's been a lot of time um knowing each other and and learning each other and loving each other to know what is our normal.

SPEAKER_02 23:37

Yeah.

Closing Thoughts And How To Support

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Um, so so thank you so much for joining us on today's marriage hot takes. And I really hope that you don't think we're weirdos. Well, you're right. And and take abnormal and normal game and and get some friends together and play it because it'd be fun. That'd be a great way to get to know your friends' uh relationships. Um, but anyhow, it's a lot of fun. But thank you anyhow for joining us on uh marriage hot takes. I'm Aaron.

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And I'm Kim.

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And we'll see you next time.

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