Ep 17: Stop Waiting For Big Moments And Start Building Them

We stop chasing the next big moment and talk about how the strongest marriages are built in small, ordinary days. A story about John Wooden’s love letters challenges us to say what matters now and create everyday connection on purpose. 
• John Wooden’s monthly love letters and the regret of unsaid words 
• why we wait for vacations and events to feel “alive” 
• reframing post-trip sadness with daily intention and gratitude 
• making chores, errands, and kid schedules feel like together time 
• small romantic gestures that cost nothing but attention 
• using handwritten notes and tiny surprises to help your spouse feel seen 
• choosing genuine effort without keeping score so marriage can grow 
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Transcript

Welcome And Why We Share

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So whether your marriage is in a great season or a hard one, you're not allowed.

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Let's get into today's topic. Welcome back to the topic of the boys today.

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We are your host marriage of ever. Thank you so much for joining us. Each week, we just like to um bring you some thoughts that we have in our marriage, um, maybe some successes, some failures, some maybe struggles that we have that we can share with you each week through some um stories we have, some things we can share. Nothing's ever scripted. Uh basically, all we have is a loose title.

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It's very loose today.

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Very loose. And a hot take that we want to leave with you each week, that you can take it into your relationship, into your marriage. Um, and really our hope is that it just sparks a conversation uh to start changing the nature of your relationship, um, to grow closer, to grow

John Wooden’s Monthly Love Letters

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uh stronger together. Uh so uh we'll kind of get started today. Today um we uh I shared with him a podcast this week. Um one of our one of my favorite and one of your favorites, uh Simon Sinek. If you haven't uh have ever heard of him, check it out. It's pretty neat. Um but he's interviewing a guy today, and honestly, I don't even remember what his name was. No, that wasn't his name.

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Oh no, no, no. I don't know who the guy had the guy state. Isn't that awful? Yes.

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Yeah. Let me look that, let me Google that while we're talking. So I'm kind of talking about that, you can Google that. Uh see, this is how prepared we are. We're gonna Google while we're recording to find out what his name was. Um, but anyhow, he was he was interviewing, um, I think he'd worked, um, written for different magazines, has several books out. Um, but uh John Wooden was his mentor for about 12 years. Um and John Wooden, um, if you haven't ever heard of John Wooden, um, the sports fanatic I am, um, you know that's not true because I know nothing about sports, but um he was um just an amazing coach, uh college, um one of the winning coaches, uh just known for um the way he he really transformed teams, not and and which he didn't really talk a lot about. Um Jaeger. Don Yeager. Don Yeager. Don Yeager. Um he actually wrote a book with with uh John Wooden. Um but anyhow, um he was sharing some stories about John Wooden, um, and and he was telling Simon Sinek about how he was his mentor. He said he made him a better uh writer, made him a better husband, a better father. And so the question came up well, how can a basketball coach make you a better husband? And um he just told this beautiful story about John Wooden that his wife had passed away. Um, John Wooden was 99 and a half when he passed away, and his wife had passed 25 years prior. Um and and every year on the on the day that she died, uh well, every month.

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On the date.

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On the date, I think it was the 21st, he said on the 21st of every month, he would write his um deceased wife a love letter.

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Um And nothing happened until he didn't do anything else that day until that was done.

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Until he wrote that letter to her. And um, and so then he'd write it, he'd seal an envelope, and he would take it to her side of the bed and remove the one that he had written the month before and uh replace it with the current one. And he said he did that every month on the 21st of the month for 25 years until the day um he passed. Um and and so Don um that he was interviewing, uh Simon Sinek asked him, he said, Um, I think Don just volunteered information. He said, I he said I asked him of everything you wrote, he said, what do you wish you had told her? And his response was all of it. Everything. Um I thought, wow, what a great, um, what a great thing. And yet, um what a challenge to each of us that uh Don Wooden waited till his wife passed. Um but it did challenge the the uh Don um to start writing his wife a love letter. Um he he took it a step ahead. Um I really hesitated sending this to you because because he took it to every week. Yeah um he'd write one every week, and then every year at Christmas, that's what he gives her. Um he gives her 52 letters for the year that she opens up one a week.

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Yeah, a box of love letters.

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And I think he's written, I think he said over 800 love letters.

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800 love letters that he has given her.

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So that is a lot of years of writing a love letter. Um it's pretty amazing. Um and we say all of that. Um you know the Don was fortunate enough that he was able to connect with John Wooden, and John Wooden be his mentor, and he was able to put that in practice um now, but John Wooden wasn't. Um it took after his wife passed to start writing those letters, and and we kind of want to talk about today. Um, it's kind of

Stop Waiting For The Extraordinary

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a long intro to where we want to get today, but it's really I think what all of us do. We wait till life passes to realize the extraordinary. And we just wanted to talk a little bit about today that we don't have to wait for the extraordinary to happen. Um, we'll have some extraordinary moments in our life. Yes, but I think most of us would say that every day is pretty ordinary. So, how do we find the extraordinary in the ordinary?

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Such a good question. I don't have an answer for it, but uh I will say that we did just get back from a little getaway. And I did think it was an extraordinary

Vacation Blues And Daily Joy

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weekend. It wasn't far away, and we it wasn't some beautiful resort in Mexico or some European trip. It was literally just to the woods. And we just spent the weekend unplugging.

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Um in a cabin, because anybody think that you like to tent them.

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Yes, no, I didn't won't, we won't ever. You don't have to, that will never no.

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We didn't rough it, don't we?

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No, we did not rough it at all.

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The little cabin was in the woods, but we were not we were not in a tent.

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We were in a cabin. But I think like I came back normally when we come back from a trip, like it takes me a week or so. And normally I would say to you today, like it's been a week since we've been, it makes me very sad when we come back. And I really tried to focus this time on not being so sad when we came back because even though I thought it was extraordinary and we had a great time, who's to say we can't still have those extraordinary moments each day? So I tried not to be super sad about it and just try to think of it as well, today we'll have an extraordinary moment.

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And and and we have to be responsible for creating those in the order.

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Right. Which means it's up to us.

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Yeah, because I think sometimes we wait for that extraordinary vacation. That extraordinary event that's you count it down.

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Um and then it's over.

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Yeah, and and you're exactly right. When it's over like that, we get kind of oh when we're gonna get to do that again.

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Yes.

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It's kinda like Christmas.

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Yes when you're too just like Christmas. And and sometimes just like Christmas now, I think a lot of times, once your kids have moved out that uh sorry. But once your kids move out and you have Christmas and they're here, they're just here for just a little bit and they're gone again. And like for me, I think it's my favorite time until plan and plan for them to be here. And then we have Christmas, everybody opens their presents and then we're done, and then they start going home. And you're just kind of left with well, I guess that's until next year again. And it just is hard to you I think of it just like when I was a kid of being so sad when it's when it's over. But there's a quote somewhere that is like I don't know, and I I won't get it right, but something about don't be sad that it was over, that it's over. But be happy that you had it. Something like that. Don't be sad that it's over. Yeah, it's something like that. And it's true, like just be more appreciative in that extraordinary moment that you had. And I do think that's exactly what I thought this week. Because I know when we come back from Red River each year, that is the saddest day for me. And it takes um it takes a while for me to get over that.

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And and for us typically when we come back from a trip like that, you can tell because the that we're a little quieter on the road back. Um it's kind of like we're going back to reality.

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Reality, the stresses, the things that um because when you're gone, all your stresses are gone for that for those days.

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Because you're not around any of those reminders of that thing.

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No, whether it's laundry, yard, work, yeah, work, finances, you know, whatever it might be, you know every mile that you're headed home is one mile closer for reality to sit in. And then once we're home, I have a real hard time because I stay home of you being back to work and it's long days, and you know, I'm here with the dogs, and I I just sit and and think about man, we had such a good time while we're gone, and here we are. This is life, and it's hard. So I did work real hard on that this week. I didn't send you things every day to say, three days ago, we were in a cabin.

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And you didn't. I mean, you did really I mean, I did wake up this morning thing about how long it'd been. I did too. And uh, but

Make Ordinary Tasks Feel Special

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but it but but I think it's a it's a challenge because what does the ordinary look like? For some, it may be in you're still hauling kids around to school, to games, um, to sporting events, to um different school events. Um I mean, you still have um laundry that has to be done, you have yards that have to be mowed, housework, I mean, just things that are around the house. It just you know, it life can get really overwhelming. And so many of us live in the ordinary. Um what we've talked about before in one of our other um in our soul fit that about about the your purpose in the ordinary, because so many times we get um like what's my big purpose? But your purpose can really be in the ordinary, just as in the ordinary, you can make an extraordinary. How do you make taking the kids to a practice extraordinary extraordinary? And it really is what's your intention? How do you want to interact with them? And you can make that time very extraordinary to s to teach them something, to find out something about them, to um just experience something together that uh just a a goofy car ride can be and I think we just just if they just be quiet back there and we get frustrated, but how do we make it extraordinary? Um and that's with kids, and how you know, how do we make it as a couple um being married make it extraordinary? Uh and and it's sometimes it's just as simple as appreciating, you know, us being back this week and thinking about how you know we had uh picnic and it was nice and we got to spend time together, um, and and even sitting at the table when I get home to eat, it's just being together. It's just being able to talk and going, This is really nice. Yeah. And celebrating that ordinary.

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Yeah, and I think too, um before we left, you mowed one evening and you don't normally mow in the evening, you usually mow on the weekend, and it's a whole day project, and I hate it from whatever month we're in, April until November, because it's all day Saturday and you're outside. But you did mow one day before um we left uh during the week. You just mowed around the yard. Around the yard? Around the yard. Around the house. You mowed the yard. Yes. Those are the words that you say about it. Um and I said to you, I'm gonna go out while you mow. And I'm allergic to the outdoors and being outside. So that was a big deal. I said, I'm gonna go outside and I'm just gonna work in some flower beds. Because that's not normal. Right, no. And uh, but I wanted to be out there, and so you it's not like we were talking or every pass you took, I was like, hey, it was just knowing you were right there and I could look over and see you, and you could look over and see me. And it did make for a very nice moment.

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Yeah.

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Instead of being such a for both of us, because we wanted to be together, but yeah, instead of being such a boring task and you were out there and I would be in here. So it's just taking those moments to be like, what else am I gonna do in here? I could I mean, even if I just went out and sat on the porch, I could have still rooted you on on every cash made. But um, so little things like that, you know. If you know I've got lots of laundry to do, you know, pitch in and fold with me and we can laugh. And because we do laugh when we talk.

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And sometimes I do fold laundry with you.

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You do. I wasn't saying you didn't. Oh, I know. I was saying you do.

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Sometimes I actually do.

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And we do laugh.

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We do laugh. Because because you're not because you well, because we laugh because I always ask him, I'm doing it right, because typically I get the side eye like, well, I'm not gonna say anything because he's helping, but that's I I know it's not right.

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I'm proud you're helping.

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Yeah, especially when it comes to towels. I mean, you wouldn't think there's a bunch of ways to fold a towel, but apparently there is, and none of them are the right way for him for me.

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So that I don't tell you they're wrong.

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I just know.

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Yeah, I just let you fold them and we put them up because we're gonna use it again.

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And and the the extraordinary, sometimes, you know, I I typically don't come home for lunch. No, and I think a couple weeks ago, um it was a hard day. It was a hard day for you. So I came home to eat lunch. I mean, it was an hour. I mean, no, it wasn't even that long, it was probably 45 minutes.

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Yes, because you had to take you'd take her daughter back to work that day because she's without a car.

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Yeah, so maybe it's 45 minutes.

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Yeah.

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Um, but it really made a difference for I think for both of our days. It was a huge difference in my day. Yeah. And and so it's just something ordinary that we could do that was just a little different. And it doesn't take much to make it extraordinary. So as we think about our relationships, you know, what do we do in the ordinary um that we can make it a little special? Um, and it's even, you know, let's say you open a door for your wife as she gets in the car. And you can open it and say, Your chariot awaits, Princess. I mean, just something as simple as that. It will mean the world to her. Yeah, and it and just makes um it can be an extraordinary moment um that something you've done a thousand times. Um, it can be just the way you say something in a in a different tone.

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It could be the way you place your hand on the on her back. And I mean, it doesn't have to be this huge, huge deal. It's just the small little things to make things extraordinary. And a handwritten note.

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Yeah, that doesn't take doesn't take much at all. I I was thinking when you're saying I was kinda I kinda laughed because sometimes at the gym people will leave the water and towel around and they'll be on the treadmill. And uh sometimes um if I saw them leave it and they go on the treadmill, I'll say, Can I offer you a water and a towel? And it'd be their towel and water. So it's goofy, but we can apply those same things to our relationships. Even if it's even if it's as simple as going in if you go to bed at the same time, going into the room and just turning down her or his side of the bed. It's I mean it's little things, it's the littlest thing.

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It can be the most extraordinary, like take it a little step further and put a little piece of chocolate on her pillow.

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Yeah.

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Or his. Yes. Make it look like a hotel. Yeah. You turn your bed.

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Just turn it down, and I mean, it makes a difference.

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It does make a difference. All those little things make things just an extraordinary.

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So um

The Sticky Note Surprise Strategy

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the other night you were gone. Um, and so I was gonna come home and you aren't home.

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Yes, that's a big deal.

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That's a big deal because usually you like to be home when don't like to be gone. Yeah, when I get home. Um, so I get home and um I go to put my stuff up, um, and when I go to I unpack my bag, and then when I go pack my bag, um there's a note on there on my clothes.

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Mm-hmm. That we're set out for you.

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That we're set out for me, ready to go. Um, so I pack my bag and then I'm going to uh fix my supper. Actually, before I did that, I went ahead and changed clothes. And so when I'm in the bathroom changing clothes, I see there's a little note on the little heater there to keep me warm.

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Because you had mentioned you were gonna shave your face.

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And so it's a little chilly, so keep me warm.

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Yes.

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And so then I I get done with that, and then I go into the kitchen um to make some supper. Um, and there's a note on the refrigerator. Um, and so then I get my supper made and I go to grab the remotes. I'm kind of looking for them. They're on the bar. Um again, they are there's a note on them to find my favorite TV show. Um, and so and I don't even think that's all the notes.

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No, but they were setting well on your blanket, there was one on your table.

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But but the point is that it doesn't take a lot. And they were like, enjoy your favorite TV show, keep you warm, um, to make it easier. Uh, enjoy your food. It was just this the simplest things, but since you couldn't be here, it made me coming home to you not being here still extraordinary. Right. Because it was a thought of you thought of me before you left to go go with your friends and and be gone for the evening. So it doesn't take a lot. And I think I

Give Freely And Grow Together

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think women are better at that, a lot better. Um, so us men, we have to work really hard at that. Yeah. Really hard.

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Yeah, because you know, we might have had this conversation this morning um at the gym, and it might have hurt my heart a little bit to hear some of the comments that were said from some of the ladies. And um, I mean, to every husband or boyfriend or whatever it might be, a simple little letter to her will make her day. That's all it takes is one, you don't have to write some poem or be some, you know, have some Shakespearean words for her to let her know how much you love her. It all it takes is just a few words on a on a post-it note that you've left somewhere for her, or a love letter, or just like you say, open the door, help her in, say nice things that are not your normal. Um, and I do a lot of times think that women are better at that. Um, and like I this morning it might have been said that several are like, but you for women, like you put in all I mean, like I could write a thousand notes and never get one back. And you had made the joke of, I mean, you never know when that one might be the one that they decide to respond to.

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Exactly.

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And it would just make a huge difference. And it doesn't take a lot to woo a girl, it really doesn't. And you couldn't have been married you can have still been married 30 plus years and just it take a moment to do those little things will still melt her heart.

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My parents have been married over 60 years, and I just curious if my dad's written my mom a note, you know, just to say even though they see each other every day and they're together constantly, I just wonder if um I I don't know.

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I would say maybe not, but I don't think probably so but I wouldn't know. You wouldn't know. You haven't asked, so we can't say they haven't.

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But um I I just think just talking to men, we gotta do better as a whole. Um because our wives want that. Those things.

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They want it.

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And yes, it's not something that we're comfortable or good at maybe, or that we necessarily think of. But now that you've heard us say that, it needs to be on your mind to what can I do that would surprise her that really takes n You don't have to go spend any money. No, I mean, like, it's it's really easy to spend money on your wife. Super easy. And there's and that's the easy way, yeah. Love all the love all the things. But you give you spend some time from the heart and thinking about her. I mean, so John Wooden wrote 25 years worth of love letters every month.

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To his deceased wife.

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To his deceased wife. The the guy that was being interviewed, Don, he wrote one every week. I mean, if you're writing 800 plus love letters as of when the interview was, you're not saying, oh, you have beautiful eyes.

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No. You're saying a lot of things in those letters.

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There's really some digging deep.

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Yep.

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Um, and I think that's a challenge to it, it's it's easy to say what's extraordinary about your wife or husband, name five things. Can you name 800 things?

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Right. Because for our anniversary, we were going on a getaway. We didn't, we didn't do gifts, but we did each do a letter. We both had wrote each other a letter.

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It's not something we talked to about.

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No, it's just what we did. And I had put in my letter 20, I was I wanted to give you 22 new things that I loved about you that I've never really said to you before, you know. And I mean that's difficult. That was only 22.

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Can you imagine 800?

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Yeah. But wow, how that would feel.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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And and and and so every day may be ordinary, but you don't have to make wait for the extraordinary moments in your life, in your relationship, for it to be an extraordinary marriage. An extraordinary relationship. It can it can be extraordinary in the ordinary because when it's extraordinary in the ordinary, people look at that and go, there is something extraordinary about their relationship. Yeah. About their marriage. And go, and if you look at well, they do all the same things we do. Why do they have such an extraordinary why do they look at each other that way? And and it's because of taking the time in the ordinary when we go, Oh, I can't believe she has called me about this again. Or wow, this is just wearing me out, or we're going all the time. It's more of again, we get to be together. We get to spend time together. And the hope is that you want to spend time. Yeah, you want to be together. If you're not looking to spend time together and be together, there's some bigger issues. Yeah.

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I mean, because like for us, and again, I stay at home and I like to be around you every time you're home. But you might just have to run up to the gym for one thing over the weekend that and I'll say, uh, I'm right. You'll say, You want to ride with me? Yeah, I'll ride with you. Uh just ride into town just for that moment.

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And that's, I mean, and and we laugh and we have a good time, and it's just for us, that's how we make it kind of extraordinary and ordinary.

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And now, saying all of that, it's not that we've always done anything like this. We haven't always appreciated each other, and we haven't always tried to make extraordinary moments. This is all, I mean, this isn't how we've always been. No, and we we still make many mistakes.

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So just we we we've probably worked on this more in the last couple years, and I would say um probably in the last year, we've even started working on it more um to to do those. And again, it has to do with how we each hair are growing.

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Yes.

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Um, because your marriage won't grow unless you grow.

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Yeah. And I think that if you take uh a challenge of I don't know how to explain it, but like I'm gonna find ten things every day to say to him. And you and you may do it for a couple of weeks, maybe three weeks, before they realize, like, just tell me this stuff every day. And then they will, and then you just try to outdo each other on how good you can be.

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Not not waiting on the other person. Not waiting on the other person or getting irritated because they don't.

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Because they don't, because many times, I mean you're you're fighting through uh years and years worth of not doing things like that. So it's not that you're doing it to be like, I'm so much better than you. I told you this. It's I genuin and for me, I genuinely want to do those things for you. I genuinely want you to read the words that I have for you so that you can feel my real feelings for you each day.

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And then I constantly tell you too, I don't expect that. So you ever so you don't have to keep writing if there's a day you go, I don't want to, or sending out my clothes, or I can get myself. There's I don't expect that. I don't want to you to ever be in a position, well, that's how I started this, and I gotta always do it.

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I just added another thing to my jobs, another thing I gotta do. I gotta check off another box.

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So, um it yeah, it has to be genuine.

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Yes. Um it's not it can't be like I'm gonna do this for six weeks and I'm gonna do it every day. And if he doesn't, never doing it again, or she doesn't or she doesn't, I'm never doing it again. I'm gonna give it all I got. You it's not a game. It's it's being genuine, it's being uh well lost my word, so we'll just go ahead.

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We could call it a gopy love.

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We could.

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Which is unconditional.

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Unconditional.

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Unconditional. Yeah.

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Um like I told you one day this week, how does it feel to have somebody that's so obsessed with you all the time? Because I just am like, what are you doing now? What's so irritating, I'm sure.

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But again, our relationship hasn't always been we could probably share in a different episode uh uh about um and we will probably later in the year about our work for this year and the kind of impact it's had on us. Um but um we'll share that later in this year, but um that is part of responsible for um kind of how we started the year, how we're going, um, how we've grown. Um so that that's a big impact um for us. So we have um we two years ago we would not be doing a marriage podcast whatsoever. Um we could tell you all the things that we don't do. Uh-huh. Um so um cam has always has a hot take for us, and and and and the challenge just really is to um because our lives are really so ordinary. Um they're nothing nothing

Small Steps And A Simple Ask

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just out of this world because we live in it. Now we might see others and it goes, wow, that's a great life. But our life we go, this is this is life. Okay.

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Um so this week's hot take is we keep waiting for extraordinary moments in marriage, not realizing they've been hiding in the everyday all along.

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And and hiding because if we don't go seek them out, they will continue to be hidden.

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Yes.

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Um so that so the um the extraordinary marriage isn't out in the open. It is in the hidden little things, the thing you say, the thing you do, the way you act, um, is all the extraordinary in the ordinary. I agree. I don't know if you had anything else to add to that.

SPEAKER_02 29:56

No, I just think you did such a good job.

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Thank you so much for joining us on uh this week's Merritt Hot Takes. And I'm kidding. I'll see you next time.

SPEAKER_00 30:07

Thanks so much for spending this time with us on Merritt Hot Takes.

SPEAKER_03 30:10

Well, today's conversation encouraged you, challenged you, and gave you something practical to take back into your marriage.

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Remember, strong marriages aren't built in one big moment, they're built small every day. If this episode helps you, please share it with someone you care about.

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Don't forget to work or next top, each other, each two,